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I found my 'constant'...
by LordPorkington
Mar 6th, 2008
12:49:23 AM
Have you found yours?
how can they top last weeks?
by Errockk
Mar 6th, 2008
12:55:04 AM
honestly?
Meet Kevin Johnson
by CrazyJoeDavola
Mar 6th, 2008
12:55:44 AM
Glad they're not holding this episode off until after the mini-break.
I really want them to finish filming this season
by Turd Furgeson
Mar 6th, 2008
12:56:04 AM
It's great so far. I wish my constant was Scarlett Johannson.... Yummy.
Turd Furgeson..
by LordPorkington
Mar 6th, 2008
01:02:13 AM
I'm definitely not allowed to have Scarlett as my constant, in fact, I'll get into trouble for even mentioning her name!
Mr Hollins...
by LordPorkington
Mar 6th, 2008
01:04:23 AM
Check that shit out! Pretty sweet eh? Feel like a celebrity now that I'm name checking you on AICN? Take a flexi and chill out brother...
time difference
by Turd Furgeson
Mar 6th, 2008
01:23:50 AM
so if the helicopter was gone for say 1 hour (the pilot clearly makes reference to how little fuel he has left so im assuming maybe an hour of flight tops) but on Island time they were gone for 2 days, what's that equate to? 1 hour equals 48? If so, the flash forwards have to be pretty quick after they're rescued.. We know Kates trial is cause Jack doesn't have the beard yet and seems like he's not all pill'd out. Help
i still dont get it
by bacci40
Mar 6th, 2008
02:00:08 AM
this really isnt a hater post...it isnt...but if lost were a novel, most people woulda stopped reading half way through...constant flashbacks, flashforwards....the odd macguffin...filler chapters...and no real cum shots...and last weeks epi...sorry guys, but star trek tng did this one, and did it better...picard didnt need no stinkin constant
Errockk
by jeandubacher
Mar 6th, 2008
02:06:31 AM
I don't think they can top it. I'm guessing they wont even deal with the whole time travelling thing.
The Kims?
by Ribbons
Mar 6th, 2008
02:11:03 AM
I'm not totally well-versed with Lost names, but I'm pretty sure they're the Kwons.
can't wait
by jeandubacher
Mar 6th, 2008
02:12:44 AM
but I still think it's gonna be awesome.
bacci
by Ribbons
Mar 6th, 2008
02:16:05 AM
It's all about perspective. Lost has less "filler" than most TV shows, if you want to look at it that way, since most TV shows are more or less simply trying to survive for as long as possible. The same goes for MacGuffins, or aborted plotlines. If you're thinking of it as a giant novel then you're right, most people probably would have put it down by now. But it's not structured like a novel, it's structured like a TV show. I can't speak for everybody, but I judge the show on a week-to-week basis; most episodes I like, some I don't.
Another lame Juliet episode?
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
02:24:35 AM
I hate Juliet. Just hate the character. Yeah, her episode where she got on the island was cool, but since then she's just a male Jack, which sucks.
how many episodes left
by Colonel_Blimp
Mar 6th, 2008
02:36:13 AM
before the hiatus?
Excited for tonight.
by Mezzanine
Mar 6th, 2008
02:42:58 AM
Last nights episode was one of the best episodes that I have ever seen. Looking forward to this shit!
Colonel Blimp
by Ribbons
Mar 6th, 2008
02:43:07 AM
3, counting tonight's episode: 6, 7, and 8.
gracias, ribbons
by Colonel_Blimp
Mar 6th, 2008
02:52:20 AM
then I'll wait a couple of weeks and watch all three back to back. I like my Lost in larger doses. 40 minutes once a week makes my balls blue.
My constant is my ex's nagging.
by gotilk
Mar 6th, 2008
02:53:06 AM
Another week went by fast, to be followed by the longest day.
skywalkerfamily...
by BusDriverStu
Mar 6th, 2008
02:55:20 AM
Regardless of how you feel about Juliet's character, her flashbacks have been pretty great in that they revealed much more about the island and the Others. Not In Portland and One of Us were two awesome episodes.
Will somebody please kill Charlotte?!
by J-Dizzle
Mar 6th, 2008
03:05:56 AM
She's pissing me off. She's starting to become more annoying than Ben!
season will be 3 episodes "short"
by Calico Pete
Mar 6th, 2008
04:08:48 AM
It was originally reported that ABC ordered 48 episodes over seasons 4-6, with the intention of having 16 eps each season. Season 4 will have the 8 eps shot before the strike, plus the 5 shot afterwards. Does Bad Robot therefore owe ABC 3 more episodes over seasons 5 and 6? Will those seasons be longer?
I can't get past the fact that the whole time travel thing was i
by Riley Martin
Mar 6th, 2008
04:10:05 AM
I can't get past the fact that the whole time travel thing was introduced because the kid that plays Walt grew up so fast and looks so different.
Michael?
by a rolling stone
Mar 6th, 2008
04:53:04 AM
Michael? As in "Michael" Michael? As in "What have you done with my son?" Michael? That Michael?
i'm sure....
by RokurGepta
Mar 6th, 2008
04:58:59 AM
the whole time travel thing was thought out before they figured out the actor for Walt was growing too fast......

[p] i'm kind of hoping that this show had a fleshed out beginning middle and end kind of like Babylon 5, before the show ever started filming..... maybe not quite as planned out as thoroughly as B5, but in that general direction....

Thoughts? Comments? Responses?

Calico Pete
by theBigE
Mar 6th, 2008
05:14:57 AM
Supposedly the missing 3 episodes will get absorbed into seasons 5 and 6. After tonight, 42 episodes of Lost remain.
This season is almost better than the first.
by Yeti
Mar 6th, 2008
05:49:48 AM
Be interesting to see what they come up with for eps 9-13
Where's old smokey been lately?
by Pizza The Hut
Mar 6th, 2008
06:28:09 AM
Smoke monster needs to whip some ass.
Guys Has Anyone Mentioned This? Well I'm Going To Anyway
by The Ender Smites Foes
Mar 6th, 2008
06:45:32 AM
The Pilot, the helicopter pilot. In episode 3 when we are seeing his flashback. He calls the news station and tells them that the pilot is definitely not who they say it is etc. Well...I'm thinking the Pilot is him. And also, HOLY FUCKING GOD DAMN SHIT. If any of you have not seen the ending to the game Lost Via Domus...go youtube it right now. I lost fucking sleep last night over it. I mean...I just cant figure it out. Anyone want to shoot some ideas at me. It's mind blowing.
Rebecca Mader
by Itchy
Mar 6th, 2008
07:01:26 AM
After 3 episodes of careful study and observation I have come to a conclusion: She's hot. Me likey the accent, too.
Not "The Orchid" station
by sweetestbaboon
Mar 6th, 2008
07:28:52 AM
I think we're not gonna see Dharma station "The Orchid" tonight, rather more than likely we'll visit "The Tempest"... Oh, Caliban!
Part of me doesn't want to see this episode..
by Desmondo
Mar 6th, 2008
08:06:25 AM
Because I know it will be lame compared to last weeks. I mean Jack. Juliette. Yawn.
Normally it would be great I'm sure, but the standards have just been raised big time.
Turd Furgeson re: time difference
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
08:08:31 AM
The issue with the helicopter is not that there is a difference in time on the island and off, but rather that the transition between on the island and off the island causes problems. December 24th, 2004 on the island was December 24th on the Freighter and December 24th in London. It's like there is a moat around the island, only rather than being full of crocodiles, it's full of weird time effects. (Think of Daniel's map as an explanation of where the drawbridge was.) It can make the helicopter arrive around 12-18 hours late or make a rocket arrive 31 minutes late; it all depends on what path you take. At least, that's my take on it.
lost at it's worst is still the best show on TV
by logicalnoise01
Mar 6th, 2008
08:17:46 AM
and I doubt this episode will suck the plot is just moving too quickly for the episode to be useless.
The follow up to "The Constant"
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
08:21:21 AM
I understand what other people are saying about tonight's episode, and I agree that it will be hard to follow last week's near perfection, but I can't imagine that it's going to be bad. The guest stars do not include Bai Ling, and even a complete throw away episode like Nikki and Paolo's was still entertaining.
***NOTE TO THE WRITERS***
by Shepard Bauer
Mar 6th, 2008
08:33:57 AM
Last week's show was the best of the series. Thank you. Just like the rest of us on here, I'm a die hard fan of this show. The emotional investment you made in all of us last week by giving Desmond a chance to talk to Penny was set up perfectly the past few seasons and you presented this episode just right. Up until last week, my favorite episode was "Walkabout", nothing could beat the tough life of John Locke that we got a first taste of and the surprise and his joy he's found on the island. Until now. I truly believe that LOST is some of the best TV ever written or filmed and that makes last week's episode one of the best shows ever to be put on television. In my opinion anyway, and I'm sure a lot of others agree. Thanks again guys, keep it up! The fans have faith in you!
Forget Juliet...Get back to Desmond and Penny, dammit!
by SpyGuy
Mar 6th, 2008
08:38:06 AM
Oh, and have Locke or Jack beat the shit out of Ben some more. That's always fun.
the Kims
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
08:38:34 AM
The Kwons are played by the Kims
Follow Up
by ForkTongue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:45:33 AM
Usually the follow up to the kick ass eps are pretty weak. Maybe they'll break that trend tonight but I agree....Juliet is a pretty weak character. I can't see her back story offering that much more.

McCain would let them waterboard Sayid.
by gotilk
Mar 6th, 2008
08:49:50 AM
I bet.
I think any episode with Elliott in it is bomb
by sfgeek
Mar 6th, 2008
08:50:53 AM
And I use bomb very seriously (since I never say that word). I avoid the Lost talkbacks at all cost ( too easy to get sucked in and "lost" forever)but I think it has to be said that Elliott rocks the shit out of the character Faraday, man he is just so... squirrelly and weird and out there, a perfect addition to the Lostiverse. Whoo Hoo... Phone Home!
and see, the lost tlakbacks fuck me up seriously
by sfgeek
Mar 6th, 2008
08:52:20 AM
because obviously I have no idea who the fuck I'm talking about... smoke monster take me now...
I love it
by malificus
Mar 6th, 2008
08:52:30 AM
There simply isn't another show on right now that has me and the wife sitting around going:"I think this and this and this.." "Wait, remember this?" "Oh yeah, that can't be...but what about..." and back and forth for like 2 hours. I try and get a handle on it but damn if they don't keep tossing new threads out making it impossible to reconstruct a mosiac. Really, I don't even care that much anymore, I really just enjoy the ride, and you know you are invested when Desmond FINALLY gets to make that call to Penny and you feel yourself choke up and hope like hell your wife doesn't look your way and catch your eyes welling up with tears. I'm not sure a be-all/end-all wrap-everything-up explanation at the end would even satisfy, how could it? It's been a great ride, who cares if the train ends up in Jersey?
um, sfgeek
by sapno_krei
Mar 6th, 2008
08:52:51 AM
I hope you are just noting the resemblance, and don't actually think that Henry Thomas plays Faraday... (BTW, he had a Charles Manson thing going on in the previous ep.)
tonight's episode
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
08:57:28 AM
can't be that bad. granted it's juliet centric, the previews show some pretty cool stuff going on anyway- like ***SPOILER FROM NEXT WEEK ON LOST*** faraday and charlotte getting into the orchid station, wearing radiation suits...possibly trying to jump through time themselves? i can't wait.
Elliot
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:00:40 AM
I think he is has either mistaken Jeremy Davies to be Henry Thomas who played Elliot from E.T. or is implying that Faraday looks like Henry Thomas. Either way they are different people. Davies is from Saving Private Ryan (the coward soldier) and he was awesome in Rescue Dawn (the crazy soldier)
24 MOVIE THIS FALL ON FOX! FUCKING FUCK YES !!
by The Ender Smites Foes
Mar 6th, 2008
09:12:26 AM
http://tinyurl.com/26dcpt
Ashok0
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:13:55 AM
I'm not sure what the deal is with the Juliet complaints. All I can think of is that (1) it follows The Constant (2) she's not one of the 815'ers, so there is backlash from that, and (3) she's getting more involved with Jack, so there is backlash from people who are sick of him and from the Jaters who don't want some skanky Other-lovin' ho getting her grubby little paws on him. :)
With regards to whether Desmond remembers his meeting with Farad
by Desmondo
Mar 6th, 2008
09:15:04 AM
There was some confusion I think why Desmond doesn't remember Faraday when he meets him in 2004 on the island. An interesting read on DarkUFO, apparently backed up by Damon -

"To be clear, Desmond's past was different before ''The Constant.'' Before his time-travel adventure, Desmond never met Faraday at Oxford, never got Penelope's digits. As a consequence of changing the past, Desmond's personal history has been ''course corrected'' by The Powers That Be, beginning from the moment he walked away from Penny's apartment. Lindelof says this interpretation is also correct. But here's a Big Question: since scoring Penelope's phone number, has Course-Corrected Desmond lived his life knowing that on Christmas Eve 2004, he MUST be on a freighter in the South Pacific in order to make a call to Penelope if he wants any chance of having a future with her? Lindelof says this is indeed a matter we should be mulling. Perhaps in the future, Lost will give us an episode that replays Desmond's backstory (getting the boat from Libby; killing Kelvin; meeting the castaways) from the point of view of this knowingness. "

So if there are these time travel corrections after he goes back in time, does that mean Faradays notebook has changed to and didn't say that before? And Faraday is wrong when he says that he should remember him in the future. I'm more confused...

Didn't know Aicn posted that already..
by The Ender Smites Foes
Mar 6th, 2008
09:19:34 AM
my bad
Elliot is Farraday
by santi01
Mar 6th, 2008
09:21:47 AM
the time traveling physicicst
Juliet....
by Desmondo
Mar 6th, 2008
09:23:05 AM
Her episodes may not be that bad - the flashbacks have been pretty interesting. But as a character, and perhaps an actress there is something just unlikeable about her. I don't know... maybe the way she talks all slow and quiet and condescending. It just grates on me a bit...

I think if she had come back to the others camp last season, and she actually WAS evil and undercover agent I might have dug it more. Or if Sayid had done his break dancing thing to her neck.

Juliet is a great character
by Greenleaf1
Mar 6th, 2008
09:30:25 AM
granted, she had a lot more to do in season 3 than in the beginning of season 4, but it looks like that's gonna chance this episode. And Desmondo, I certainly hope that's fake, because they've been against stuff changing in the past.
Saw the ending to the game . . .
by SkidMarkedUndies
Mar 6th, 2008
09:30:41 AM
WTF?!?!
I am noting the resemblance
by sfgeek
Mar 6th, 2008
09:32:19 AM
and I do feel like an idiot, but I do stand by saying that Jeremy Davies does play a very cool character and a bit crazy... I would say he is just fun to watch on screen. Lost has been great this season and the addition of the other "others" is a cool move. I like them all with the exception of Charlotte, The Lawnmower Man is awesome (I think I got that one right, right?)It is cool to see Jeff Fahey play a badass and not in some cheesy horror flick... refreshing... now I will leave you all to your own devises, because I am only adding non-continuity related info which, frankly, is quite boring! Get back to the conspiracy, my apologies for wasting space... cheers all.
Island "growth issues"?
by BillyPilgrim
Mar 6th, 2008
09:41:21 AM
I guess Smilin Bob isnt the only one livin large....
Game ending
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:42:14 AM
Spoiler for those who care about the game:

It ends with the guy seeing the plane crash on the island and starting all over again, but with a few differences (dead girlfriend is now on the plane a survivor of the crash with him.)

It better not be the real answer for the show. That would kind of suck.

GreenLeaf1....
by Desmondo
Mar 6th, 2008
09:50:28 AM
It may be fake.. who knows. I agree that they are keen to emphasise that the don't want to change the timeline. And the whole episode seemed to suggest that, in Faradays point of view, he had always met Desmond but he just couldn't remember.

You still have a problem that Desmond is living his life happily in 1996, and all of a sudden he thinks he is in the future, and then he goes back again to 1996, knowing that in 8 years he will call Penny on a boat.

Something has to change surely? Unless he has convient amnesia too, he would recognise Faraday, let alone Sayid on the island. The writers say things don't change - that is true - Charlie was always going to die. It's just how it happened that may have changed.

damn fine episode.
by DrLektor
Mar 6th, 2008
09:53:28 AM
Here's what we should expect from Desmond in upsoming episodes. His past self now has some glimpses into the future, he knows about the island, obviously he still travels to it, maybe he doesn't know the exact circumstances of what will happen when he gets there, like being trapped in the station, pressing buttons for a few years. But if he's aware of the time travel and becomes aware of Dharma, it stands to reason he's going to bone up on things. Also he'll stay in contact with Faraday, his shit is going to be tight. So that suddenly, from our perspective anyway, Desmond will change. He'll become more savvy to what's going on, clued in thanks to Daniel about what's going on on the boat. maybe even know Dharma's ultimate plan, if they have one. If you look at it that way, the smile he gives Sayid at the end of the episode could also be saying, "be at peace brother, I know the score, I'm going to save the day." Of course this would be a good excuse to kill him off.
Jackson Shepherd
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
10:12:51 AM
The video game also lists Jack's full name as Jackson Shepherd... not that it's important but I'm curious to see confirmation or denial from Darlton
Tonight's episode should be really good.
by GenPion
Mar 6th, 2008
10:14:18 AM
The only episode this season I haven't found stellar was 'Eggtown' and even that was entertaining in its own right. The Aaron reveal was big. The writing just wasn't up to our 'Lost' standards. Last week's episode was amazing, yes, but that doesn't mean this week will suck. Anyone remember the Penny/Desmond double-feature from last year? Not in Portland and Flashes Before Your Eyes were right next to each other. One week was amazing... the week that followed was amazing. Truly, those are two of my favorite episodes. Maybe we will get more of that kind of joy tonight. FYI, I almost hate Juliet. I do think she is ultimately evil. What is scary is that I almost believe she considers herself one of the "good guys". But when it comes down to it she will always take orders from Ben if she thinks it will help whatever her agenda or needs are. This makes her very dangerous to herself and to others.
Juliet
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
10:21:51 AM
sucks this season. she has done nothing but give smarmy attitude and sarcastic one liners to the freightees and waltz around blissfully assimilated with the survivors of 815 like she had just not been an Other for the past two years. I did like her last season, so maybe tonight's episode picks up with her storyline a little better.
I'm not a fan of Juliet
by CherryValance
Mar 6th, 2008
10:29:59 AM
but this show amazes me in that everytime I cannot stand one of the female characters they come up with a more grating one. I didn't like Kate very much and they managed to come up with Ana Lucia, kill her off and then you've got the satanic Juliet, in the middle of that the screeching Nikki, who may have turned out to be okay eventually, but then she was gone, and now we have the confounding Charlotte. I can't even explain why she annoys me but she's just 'ugh'. It's not that they're villains that's the problem. There are plenty of great female villains but these LOST women are just horrible. I'm no feminist but I'm starting to wonder about these guys. I'm assuming tonight's episode is going to include lots of treachery and sighing. Hopefully it will include enough Goodwin to distract me.
Sayid is R2D2
by CherryValance
Mar 6th, 2008
10:34:54 AM
sorry but that's too adorable :D
Node
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
10:35:46 AM
You're right, and she already has. She helped shot Pickett and had Jack fix Ben all because Ben had promised to use the sub to get her and Jack off the island. The interesting/confusing thing is that she makes deals with people she knows she can't trust, and I'm never sure if she is being extra manipulative or just naive.

The moment that made Jack know he could trust her (her reaction to the exploding sub) revealed that while she has to know she can't trust Ben by now, she really and truly hoped and believed that she was getting off the island on that sub.

Ashok0
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
10:42:47 AM
I agree with you that she hasn't been given much, but I just like dislike the small pieces of dialogue she has been given in the beginning of this season. I dunno, I guess I don't feel like her character should be comfortable enough in her situation to be as smart alecky as she has been. They didn't portray this sarcastic side of her last season, so I guess it just seems out out of the blue. But it's a small gripe, one I'm sure most of you have not even noticed... and I'm still looking forward to a real return to her story arch.
Cant wait!
by ChrisVenom
Mar 6th, 2008
10:59:24 AM
I may just skip work today just to stay home and watch it.
Node...
by GenPion
Mar 6th, 2008
11:06:20 AM
I think she doesn't even realize that she's evil. She tries to rationalize to herself in regards to why she'll help Ben and the others. It's "to get off the island" or what have you. That makes her a truly scary character. Her intentions may sometimes be good (a struggle between making right and wrong decisions)... But the moment she agreed to come work for "Mittlelos Bioscience" after realizing what they had done to her ex-husband I knew that she couldn't be trusted. We still can't. She is a bit vulnerable, I think, but underneath that (whether she realizes it or not) she will always make the wrong decisions if they are going to help her. This is why our friend Mr. Smokey scanned her last season like it scanned Mr. Eko. Before this show is over Juliet will be judged and I don't think the outcome will be in her favor.
Juliet looks hot all dirty and sweaty
by BrowncoatJedi
Mar 6th, 2008
11:09:50 AM
So does Kate. Yummmmm.
woo hoo
by Maximus Prime
Mar 6th, 2008
11:21:20 AM
hopefully we get more naked Juliett back action, but this time turn her around a bit, til wee see her gorgous baps....
Ben
by pizzatheface
Mar 6th, 2008
11:36:56 AM
Still think Miles is Ben's man, and that's why he was so desperate to talk to him. Also, I would like to believe Ben really is a good guy, fighting against whatever evil company is responsible for Dharma. (I think they want to harness the power of the island for a wrongful cause.) They were still "sending" supplies to the Dharma Initiative (not necessarily dropping them in, according to the Cuse/Lindeloff interview on Blu Ray) possibly not knowing about the purge. They still don't know if there were any more survivors from 815. (Hard to communicate through time-that's why the sat-phones could only contact one another.) Thanks for the Doc Jensen articles!
So is episode 8 airing before or after the hiatus?...
by DanielKurland
Mar 6th, 2008
11:41:07 AM
Did they change their minds, or is the article just wrong?
hideously scarred back
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
11:41:46 AM
Not if it's in a flashback...
pizzatheface
by theredtoad
Mar 6th, 2008
11:41:49 AM
Please elaborate on your "Miles on the boat" theory.
DanielKurland re: Episode 8
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
11:44:19 AM
Yes, it is correct. Episode 8 is now showing before the hiatus. They wanted Lost, Greys and other shows to come back at the same time, so they changed the schedule again. (This was reported more than a week ago, I believe but somehow it didn't manage to get on here until Herc's article today.)
The man on the boat
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
11:45:16 AM
I maintain that the man Ben has on the boat is Michael. Des isn't the only one moving through time.
Reading the spoilers
by Jor-El23
Mar 6th, 2008
11:55:20 AM
and knowing who's in the cast, it seems like tonight could be great, lots of info. But I don't think Lost will ever match last week's Desmond/Penny story, at least not where Desmond and Penny aren't involved in the episode.
Time Travel
by Embeedeuce
Mar 6th, 2008
12:07:11 PM
I scrolled past that dude's long ass post, and 25 seconds elapsed. Better go call my constant.
Any theories on who the "Other Woman" is
by The_Squid
Mar 6th, 2008
12:50:48 PM
my guess is the sheriff besides Julie herself
The end for Juliet?
by WhiteyFord
Mar 6th, 2008
12:54:34 PM
I have a hunch that tonight Juliet is going to die. Maybe more of a hoping. I don't read spoilers, so i have no idea, i could be dead wrong. But I really think this is it for her, kind of like last season when Mr Echo got a flashback 5 episodes in and he then he died at the end. I think her character has run her course.
WhiteyFord
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
01:02:43 PM
While I am just indifferent to Juliet's character I don't think her character has run her course or even close. We have no idea what went on in her life during her two years on the island...alot of backstory left to tell.
If Juliet were dying tonight
by Sick Fixx
Mar 6th, 2008
01:04:02 PM
Spoilers would be everywhere and even people who didn't want to know would know. Although I have come around to thinking she's the one in the coffin.
Miles
by pizzatheface
Mar 6th, 2008
01:10:23 PM
I think Miles wasn't blackmailing Ben for $3.2 million (random number) in one week, but giving him a time and a bearing when a rescue would happen, or an event to free Ben somehow. Ben wanted to make sure he got the info right asking, "why not 3.3 or 3.4?" Miles couldn't outright tell Ben, because Kate was listening and that would blow his cover. Just a theory.
Fount
by pizzatheface
Mar 6th, 2008
01:25:05 PM
I am starting to wonder if Michael could be Ben's man. Somewhere in the back of my mind is some info that seems to point to Michael returning this season. (Like he was credited in the cast or something...) We all knew he would come back eventually, as Walt's story is far from told, but in what manner?
18 Months Old?!!?!
by XXVIII
Mar 6th, 2008
01:31:42 PM
What 18 month old is already in a toddler bed? Might be the most bullshit arc lindelof has tried to pass off yet. Kid looked 3 to me.
Node and Pizzatheface
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
01:32:33 PM
I have a theory posted in last week's talkback (after the airing of the show) which explained my reasoning about why it could be Michael. It's a crackpot theory, but I'm partial to it.

And yes, Pizza, we do know that Michael is coming back, and we even know when, but as that is based on a spoiler I don't want to reveal more to people who don't want to know. (Though I think the answer to when he is back is at least referenced in Herc's invisotext today.)

Questions
by pizzatheface
Mar 6th, 2008
01:34:14 PM
As far as the whiners who want all the answers now go...I love that the writers are introducing more questions. Speculation is 80% of the genius of this show. I try to convince my friends and family to watch the show NOW so we can speculate together, instead of them finally jumping on the bandwagon after the show is done and asking me stupid questions that begin like, "Tell me if what I'm guessing is close..." But then again, if they are asking me at that point, I will take all liberties to mislead them as much as I can. Another thing: When the show is finally over and everything is resolved, there is bound to be millions of theorists who are pissed off about the way they wrapped it all up. They won't think it ended as cool as it could have. I think the ending will be strong, but almost anticlimactic as the fun is in the mystery. I hope we all remember the fun we had watching it.
Correction
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
01:36:27 PM
It's not in invisotext, so I feel free to say that Michael is coming back in 3 weeks, because Meet Kevin Johnson is a Michael-centric episode.
Just Batteries
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
01:37:18 PM
I thought it was referring to Bai Ling getting caught shoplifting.
Charles Widmore???
by AdrianVeidt
Mar 6th, 2008
01:37:50 PM
Widmore AND Mr. Friendly AND Goodwin in her flashbacks??

Fucking crazy.

Batteries
by rbrog77
Mar 6th, 2008
01:39:46 PM
I'm hoping it's something Juliet and Claire end up sharing......

;->

Oh yeah...
by pizzatheface
Mar 6th, 2008
01:40:48 PM
That's where I heard it! Thanks, Fount!
Fount of Useless Info
by Turd Furgeson
Mar 6th, 2008
01:40:57 PM
Thanks for the help on the time stuff, it makes a little more sense now..
Not THE ORCHID
by Vorlagen
Mar 6th, 2008
01:51:32 PM
They don't go to The Orchid station. If you watch the official ABC sneak peaks they mention the hatch called The Temptest. Either they renamed The Orchid or we just haven't seen it yet. We're not going there tonight though. COME ON AICN.
That's the biggest 18 month old I've ever seen
by skycrapper
Mar 6th, 2008
01:55:14 PM
What's that all about?
If Lost is in its Empire Strikes Back phase
by Sick Fixx
Mar 6th, 2008
01:58:49 PM
I can't wait for the Return of the Jedi phase when Kate is forced into a metal bikini and a leash.
I hear dat, Node.
by pizzatheface
Mar 6th, 2008
02:05:29 PM
Aaron
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
02:19:11 PM
is big for an 18 month but not unheard of. My niece, at 10 months old, is a head taller than most 15 month olds. She's a friggin freak of nature. She can't even talk but waitresses usually ask if she wants a menu when she's at a restaurant cuz they think she's a toddler. Maybe she and Aaron suffer from gigantism.
Oh boy
by boyhowdy
Mar 6th, 2008
02:22:49 PM
I like chocolate.
Maybe Jack accidentally gets Juliet killed
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
02:34:11 PM
and she winds up in the coffin. Kate and the Oceanic Six would never go to that funeral.
Lost Time anagram: Mittleos
by La.Cucaracha
Mar 6th, 2008
02:44:01 PM
I read that some where. . .
Coffin Talk
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
02:46:54 PM
skywalkerfam: Why wouldn't any of the O6 go to Juliet's funeral? Better yet, why is Jack neither friend nor family?

I'm willing to bet that Ben is in the coffin. Jack had already gone cuckoo for cocoa puffs, grown a beard and decided he needed to go back and Ben was one of the last connections or possible ways to get back. None of them would go to Ben's funeral because...well, because he's Ben. Jack may not think of himself as family or friend, but knowing that Ben was right and that they never should have left the island, his death affects Jack deeply. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this season will end with us finding out that Ben is dead (or seeing him die) and that he is in the coffin in TTLG.

That's right, I predict this now and will gladly admit that I was wrong after the finale (or whenever I am proven wrong).

Is it because I'm that sure or because I know something you don't? (Actually, it's because I have no problem admitting to being wrong when it comes to guessing the future of this show, and I don't lose anything.)

LOST survey - favorite male
by rbrog77
Mar 6th, 2008
02:47:49 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2kezo9

If nothing else, it's great to see the choices...especially the last one.

nobody likes juliet
by ironic_name
Mar 6th, 2008
02:49:49 PM
and she did a la lesbo-movie with the jolie..

it takes effort to be that boring.

Maybe cause Sayid's killing everyone Jack
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
02:59:39 PM
can't say who he is to the owner of the funeral parlor?
Yep
by rbrog77
Mar 6th, 2008
03:00:24 PM
I picked Sayid, but loved the last choice. "He" was even beating most choices.
rbrog
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
03:02:05 PM
Vincent has over 5%? Awesome.
Just so everyone knows...
by rbrog77
Mar 6th, 2008
03:10:09 PM
It's really a survivor type survey. Who do you think you'd want to pair up with for their survivor type skills.

Not the TV show, real survivor skills.

Love the "constant" Jensen article
by gotilk
Mar 6th, 2008
03:12:49 PM
It left me with one VERY interesting question that I've thought about before, but just now carried a much heavier notion. And it is this:

Are we perhaps seeing multiple characters, without being told up-front, reacting to a world filled with events they have lived through before? I do seem to recall hearing the words
"it isn't supposed to happen like this"

But what if we are encountering MULTIPLE characters who have already experienced these jumps into their bodies in different times and places. Can you imagine jumping into Desmond's body right before he KNOWS he must kill Kelvin? It certainly makes me want to go back and watch old episodes again and watch for unusual reactions/motivations... strange ways of dealing with what would to anyone else be shocking. A certain kind of acceptance, maybe? Do you know anyone else on the show that seems to accept his surroundings on this island in an almost unnatural fashion? Locke? Someone with a "constant" would healthily jump all over the place if he so desired, slamming himself into the anomaly over and over at will, with no fear of side effects as long as his constant is reachable/healthy/alive/around ? The mind boggles. The mind being mine, approaching mush while I write this.
Not to distract from my other post...
by gotilk
Mar 6th, 2008
03:15:49 PM
But I love watching the talkback on the right, in the top talkbacks, sitting there... waiting... like a sleeping giant...
Lost has indeed created a real anomaly. Hours are slower on Thursdays.
It has to be christmas eve 2004
by Charlie Murphy
Mar 6th, 2008
03:17:11 PM
right? desmond said he'd phone Penny on Christmas eve, and he did, and it was christmas at penny's... so, unless it's a different year, in theory it's still roughly the same time of year... right?
Can't wait for New Year's Eve episode
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
03:19:36 PM
Locke probably blows something up.
gotilk
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
03:23:47 PM
Not only are the hours longer on Thursdays, but less work gets done despite the longer hours. Weird.
Bill Brasky once ended up stranded on a ...
by Bill Brasky
Mar 6th, 2008
03:27:13 PM
Deserted island....He drank enough ocean water so that he could walk all the way back to Chico!!! “Here's to Bill Brasky!!!!”
What I really want to know
by ProoferFromHell
Mar 6th, 2008
03:29:18 PM
Is what sort of new and creative way Ender is going to violate himself this week.

Oh, and last week's episode was absolutely one of my favorites of the series, right up there with "Walkabout" and anything that involves Sayid. Mmmmmm, Sayid.

I don't know how tonight's ep is going to compare to last week, but this season has NOT disappointed at all. Can't wait to see what happens next!

Fount
by gotilk
Mar 6th, 2008
03:30:58 PM
The anomaly doesn't seem random though, huh? It's fairly predictable. It's the same every Thursday now. I have a vague memory of it happening on another day of the week before. Wait! Have I done all of this before?
Senator John McCain
by gotilk
Mar 6th, 2008
03:32:45 PM
Would waterboard the Oceanic 6.
Coffin guy
by KingCarlFergie
Mar 6th, 2008
03:37:06 PM
It's Miles. He helps the Oceanic 6 get off the island, tells Abbaddon the other three (Faraday et al) are dead, then gets killed dead by Sayid a little later. Jack sees the obit and freaks a little, but why would the rest care? Miles was a loner dick just out for money.
The Psychic, Claire and Aaron
by Shepard Bauer
Mar 6th, 2008
04:15:03 PM
Don't know of anyone's already mentioned this but: remember when the psychic told Claire NO ONE MUST RAISE THIS BABY BUT YOU!!!!!!! Now look! KATE IS RAISING AARON!! CRAZY! WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!
Senator John McCain
by gotilk
Mar 6th, 2008
04:21:34 PM
Relax, senator. It's all in jest. You're getting too old for this stuff. DECAF! If Obama loses, I'm voting for you, so take a chill.
Ribbons: Kwons are Kims
by Napoleon Park
Mar 6th, 2008
05:00:04 PM
Yunjin Kim and Daniel Dae Kim.
Yeeeeesssssss!
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Mar 6th, 2008
05:07:31 PM
I'm finally going to be able to catch Lost on it's regular airtime! No more waiting until Friday! Whoohoooo!
LOTS of SLOT
by Napoleon Park
Mar 6th, 2008
05:26:01 PM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but (insert something everyone knew last week, two months ago or during season one).
Bill Brasky vs. Chuck Norris
by Napoleon Park
Mar 6th, 2008
05:26:46 PM
no matter who wins, the planet would be destroyed.
QUADRUPLE Entertainment!
by Napoleon Park
Mar 6th, 2008
05:29:15 PM
Quadruple your fun: tape Lost and Eli Stone while watching New Amsterdam and Lipstick Jungle, then watch the tape: four hours of wacky entertainment.
Just batteries,
by Napoleon Park
Mar 6th, 2008
05:30:38 PM
gossip magazines>p>gum, one of those combs and... apackofprophylacticsplease.
Almost everything but Yoda
by Napoleon Park
Mar 6th, 2008
05:37:06 PM
C.C @ JTS [tm] linkta this U-2be comp, probably got it from the TVG Daily Scoop. Most of you have probably seen this by now, but it might amuse the few what ain't.

http://tinyurl.com/yurghs

It 's quick quotes of all of James' nicknames for everyone. Quite droll quips.

Damn you Justin Timberlake
by Napoleon Park
Mar 6th, 2008
05:44:40 PM
stupid wardrobe misgrabment had the FCC all jumpy and everybody skitterish over a few inches of skin. This show would be so much better with Claire asscrack, Kate cameltoe and Juliet sideboob. Not to mention Shannon in a wet t-shirt.

And why no Ana Lucia necrophilia scene. C'mon, 48 people stuck on an island, you think no one would hit that while it's still warm?

[vomiting sounds - I just sickened myself.]

Charlotte is so unsexy she could do full frontal nudity and no one would complain, or care, or notice.

tonight sounds like a filler episode
by krycek08
Mar 6th, 2008
05:53:13 PM
wonder if they will even mention the miles-grenade-in-mouth from a few weeks ago......
Bill Brasky vs. Chuck Norris = 1/4 cup
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
Mar 6th, 2008
06:51:07 PM
of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
Watching "The Constant" again
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
07:24:50 PM
Even a week later, Faraday saying "I need you to find me" is still the point in the episode where the hair stands up on your arms and you know you're in for a seriously good episode.
I've seen "The Constant" 4 times now...
by Greenleaf1
Mar 6th, 2008
07:32:01 PM
...and watching these episodes multiple times is starting to burn me out. I think I'm gonna restrict myself to watching an episode twice from now on. Once for shock, the second to look for things I missed. Any more and I start to go nuts.
I just watched the series finale of The Wire (NO SPOILERS)...
by DanielKurland
Mar 6th, 2008
07:37:12 PM
Maybe one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. Completely satisfying in every way, and surpisingly different in tone than I thought the finale would be.
Holy shit
by br1947
Mar 6th, 2008
07:38:00 PM
Just thought of a very interesting theory. Jacob = Future Daniel Faraday. Sent his conciousness back to guide Locke.
*disembodied conciousness
by br1947
Mar 6th, 2008
07:38:25 PM
Jacob - Miles?
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
07:50:08 PM
Miles is a ghostbuster. Maybe he dies, and can send his mind back to the island?
Miles looks nothing like Jacob
by theredtoad
Mar 6th, 2008
07:53:13 PM
if you've seen any of the screengrabs.
Maybe he's special like Walt?
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
08:02:16 PM
Oh, and Penny loves Desmond.
Deselope 4-eva!!!
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
08:03:26 PM
that is all
Who was that doctor? that women?
by GQtaste
Mar 6th, 2008
08:05:22 PM
I recoginze her but cant' place who it is?
Oh, shit that's the wife from Rescue Me.
by GQtaste
Mar 6th, 2008
08:07:11 PM
Nevermind.
Why couldn't it be Callie Thorne gueststarring?
by Shermdawg
Mar 6th, 2008
08:07:17 PM
Maybe they're saving her for a Sawyer flashback. *crosses fingers*
Dr. McCoy!
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
08:08:32 PM
Dammit, Jim!
I love Ben.
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:27:38 PM
And hate him. It's a very complicated emotion.
Awesome!
by Heelboy
Mar 6th, 2008
08:28:55 PM
"Then I'll have to show you!" Thanks Alex, I'll take, What is the Smoke Monster for $200.00.
Ben and Juliet to be lovers....
by edshrinker
Mar 6th, 2008
08:33:52 PM
I see Ben, mouth wid in disbelief, looking up at those gorgous knockers, face between, going blrbblrbblrbblrb right between them. While Juliet looks bored.

Meanwhile...Juliet just walked out of the ocean 1/2 nude. Mnnnnn. THAT is a WOMAN.

wHOA!
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:37:39 PM
Whoa!
Ben and Julet are lovers
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
08:38:59 PM
and are playing everyone.
You might want to sit down.
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:39:37 PM
It's Michael.

by taking_up_space
Mar 6th, 2008
08:39:43 PM
Michael Is Back
by rembrandt05
Mar 6th, 2008
08:40:39 PM
He's the spy.
Is having it be Michael too obvious?
by JackIsLost
Mar 6th, 2008
08:41:21 PM
Everyone has already guessed that... I guess we'll find out soon enough.
But...
by edshrinker
Mar 6th, 2008
08:41:54 PM
Still want me some Goth Claire.
WTF!!!!!!
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
08:42:07 PM
Each episode of Lost makes me go WTF!!!
Awe.
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:47:11 PM
Ben loves her.
Lovesick Ben = creepiest thing ever
by JackIsLost
Mar 6th, 2008
08:49:19 PM
Seriously...
After last week's ep, this one is kinda pissin me off
by br1947
Mar 6th, 2008
08:50:02 PM
then again, last week was pretty fucking awesome, hard to follow up on
What if Ben was lying about his mole getting the info...
by Shermdawg
Mar 6th, 2008
08:50:41 PM
...on the crew, and he had no mole at all on the boat when Locke initially questioned hm. And his "man" is actually Sayid.
gee, I bet Juliet kills him
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:51:24 PM
And that will make Ben happy.:)
No, Michael is confirmed to be in the last episode
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
08:52:02 PM
so, it's probably him.
Awe
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:55:12 PM
Sad face:(
What is your game, Ben?
by Larry of Arabia
Mar 6th, 2008
08:56:16 PM
Jesus. After last week this was bound to be a drop in quality. Still good.
Yes Mike's confirmed, but it doesn't mean it's him.
by Shermdawg
Mar 6th, 2008
08:57:18 PM
Ben is a slippery son of a boob.
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
08:57:42 PM
He's tied up but still controls everyone.
Is Ben on the list of coolest bad guys ever?
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
08:59:59 PM
Or is he even a bad guy? I'm so confused.
Where's Danielle?
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
09:00:43 PM
Did she go back into the woods, or what?
let's pretend Miles doesn't exist
by krycek08
Mar 6th, 2008
09:01:43 PM
I told you so
See You guys
by edshrinker
Mar 6th, 2008
09:02:15 PM
At Dinner!

poom

"See you guys at dinner."
by Shermdawg
Mar 6th, 2008
09:02:19 PM
Gawd, that was great.
damn you ABC promo trolls!!!
by br1947
Mar 6th, 2008
09:03:43 PM
well I guess that answers that...
Yeah, it's Mike.
by Shermdawg
Mar 6th, 2008
09:04:45 PM
But dammit they coulda threw off the fans somehow.
Miles is dead.
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
09:05:20 PM
He died like two episodes ago...
Seriously, he's been holding that grenade in his mouth...
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
09:06:40 PM
for at least 48 hours. Nobody could survive that.
It is indeed still lost
by The_Squid
Mar 6th, 2008
09:07:52 PM
But that was definately the weakest episode of the season. It's cool we got the widimore reveal, but who hadn't already guessed that. At least his scene was creepy, when he looked at the camera, chills went down my spine.
Miles isn't dead.
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:07:54 PM
at least, not from the grenade. They make this BOOM noise and people might have noticed it.
Jack + Juliet = worst couple ever
by CherryValance
Mar 6th, 2008
09:08:26 PM
yuck
who didn't see Mike's afro in the promo?
by theredtoad
Mar 6th, 2008
09:09:34 PM
I did.. it covers Sayid's face!
Ben is one sick F**K
by evildeadron
Mar 6th, 2008
09:10:03 PM
and i love it, this show is such a physchological roller coaster, and its going to be a depressingly loooooonngggg summer and fall waiting for more Lost
Miles??
by Yo Yo Ma
Mar 6th, 2008
09:10:19 PM
Is not dead....It seems michael is on the boat? how? Can't wait.
Goodwin's Death
by tristiac
Mar 6th, 2008
09:11:49 PM
How could Ben have possibly known that Ana Lucia would kill him? That didn't really make sense to me. Solid entry though it was no "Constant"
Bring back Desmond!
by MeshGearFoxx
Mar 6th, 2008
09:12:00 PM
Well I suppose it could only go down after last week's episode. But the episode was kind of blah. Ben saying 'you're mine' to Juliet was rather awkward. Was like a little kid there. Jack and Juliet kissing at the end inferring that he'll protect her was a tad too syrupy. Well got to watch the Constant again at least.
fount I keep waiting for them to hear a big explosion
by theredtoad
Mar 6th, 2008
09:13:00 PM
..in the background, and a cut to Locke looking up and just smirking.
worst...episode...ever
by dirkadirkadirka
Mar 6th, 2008
09:13:33 PM
Do people honestly find Juliette to be an interesting character? That was total shit. The week-long boner I had from last weeks show ended about 30 seconds into tonights show. Terriible.
Not weak
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:13:58 PM
Are you kidding? Look at the info we got in this episode. We see Ben manipulate his way out of prison. We learn that Widmore is the one that hired the boat. (This is why Naomi had the picture of Des and Penny.) We saw a completely different side of Ben, complete with a hint that he's obsessed with women who look like "her"...probably Annie. We learned that Faraday and Charlotte may not be evil, oh, except that they are working for Widmore, who is almost certainly evil. And we go to see Juliet running through the jungle without sufficient support, followed by coming out of the ocean in a bikini. There's no way it compared to The Constant, but it was a good episode.
juliet bikini shit
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:14:04 PM
very underwhelming. nice boxers.
ben's last name is really brown...
by Bouncy X
Mar 6th, 2008
09:14:28 PM
that's how he knew goodwin would be killed.
^
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:14:37 PM
meant to say 'bikini shot*' but shit works too.
no way was that the weakest of the season
by mthrndr
Mar 6th, 2008
09:14:52 PM
That would be the kate-centric episode. this episode was excellent. We learn that ben is lying about the freighter people, that he is able to communicate with the others at will, that widmore is his nemesis, and that he can still control juliet in some ways. It was no constant, but it was excellent.
Juliette's death...
by dirkadirkadirka
Mar 6th, 2008
09:15:06 PM
was the only thing that could have saved that episode. Where is the knife throwing Locke when you need him.
yeah I slow mo-ed the fro
by CherryValance
Mar 6th, 2008
09:15:25 PM
it's him

This episode wasn't as bad as "Eggtown". But they've got to get over all this love triangle garbage. No one cares about that crap.
And what did Juliet say to Jack?
by The_Squid
Mar 6th, 2008
09:15:28 PM
My roomate's idiot girlfriend changed the channel right when she was about to say something important. So was what she said actually important?
See You Guys at Dinner
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:15:43 PM
Possibly the best last line of an episode since "You guys got any milk?"
dirk
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:16:24 PM
I suggest you go rewatch "Stranger in a Strange Land"
I call Bullshit!
by Billyeveryteen
Mar 6th, 2008
09:16:53 PM
Ben should've been killed many times over by now, let alone set free.

Yeah, Juliet blows..

the_squid
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:17:02 PM
NO, it wasnt
actually Ben's man on the freighter could be
by CherryValance
Mar 6th, 2008
09:17:14 PM
Robert Downey, Jr.
dirkadirkadirka
by evildeadron
Mar 6th, 2008
09:17:50 PM
While i agree with you on juliet being a weak charachter, your looking at the episode from the wrong angle. While not up to the same level as The Constant, this was a great Ben episode, and showed how seriously twisted and devious he is, and how he is in complete control over everything.
it's weird how Faraday and Charlotte just knew
by theredtoad
Mar 6th, 2008
09:18:05 PM
the right time to leave into the jungle, find the station, and get there to deactivate it just as the manual override kicked on.

perhaps turning on the manual override kicks on the countdown to release the gas, which doesn't make sense to me.

Cherry
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:18:21 PM
I agree about the love triangle or rectangle as the case may be, but a lot of people seem to care. I'm fine with there being romantic storylines but I'd rather keep them within reason and secondary to the story.
Benjamin Linus is Anthony Fremont
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:18:49 PM
'It's a Good Life' episode of The Twilight Zone. People are actually afraid to make this bug-eyed little man angry. Jacob makes things go his way it seems.
individual episodes be damned
by nora inu
Mar 6th, 2008
09:19:54 PM
it's all about the story arc motherfuckers, of course constant was totally more bad ass than this ep, that's fine.. this ep still totally advanced the plot. interesting shit, and its nice that the flash forward routine was broken up for variety's sake but did anyone else feel that this episode was fucking short (or was that just the copious amount of evan williams(give it up for e dub) that i drank before hand talking).
redtoad
by Fount of Useless Info
Mar 6th, 2008
09:21:50 PM
I assumed that whatever they were doing triggered some sort of mechanism that would release the gas. It seems that this system works the same as the ones in every other movie or TV show.
Mmmmm....LOST
by sjlm90
Mar 6th, 2008
09:22:05 PM
How did you expect this episode to top last weeks perfection? I say STFU! We learned a lot.& Juliet is an intriguing character.. don't think she makes it out though.
theredtoad
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
09:22:42 PM
Point A to Point B to Point c. Scriptwriting is easy!
fount and evildead
by dirkadirkadirka
Mar 6th, 2008
09:23:02 PM
Maybe not THE worst, but comeone...are you going to defend that episode. This whole season has been the a speeding freight train to awesometown and someone just pulled that string that brought everything to a screaching halt. Juliette is aweful. Is she supposed to be hot? I'm not seeing it. They had to get some witch with moles filled with botox to make her seem more attractive. I'm sorry but that was a bad bad bad episode.
alex138
by CherryValance
Mar 6th, 2008
09:23:38 PM
I thought the same thing. When Goodwin's wife showed up in the forest I thought she was dead and Ben was controlling her to get a message to Juliet. So I thought of that Twilight Zone. But then she wasn't dead but then later he was all acting like a little kid with that "You're mine" thing. (Which was a great combo line with "take as much time as you need" or whatever he said.) It seems like he has a greater power over these people than a normal dictator. And I mean power in the super sense.
Awesome ep
by Fing Fang Foom
Mar 6th, 2008
09:24:06 PM
Great ending.
I think Jack and John should fall in love.
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
09:24:08 PM
Then Ben gets jealous of John.
Then Hurley and could fall in love with Kate.
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
09:25:53 PM
SWEET! ANOTHER LOVE TRIANGLE! Then Miles and Faraday with the red head chick, and on, and on, and on...
i would choose
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:26:16 PM
Janet Gavin any day of the week over Juliet. She's likes it a bit rough...just ask Dennis Leary.
Lots of plot
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:26:28 PM
Little suspense. Ben stole the show. Favorite parts: "I always have a plan". "See you at dinner guys." Locke's reaction to "You better sit down." Least favorite parts: Jack kissing Juliet, anything with Goodwin's wife, anything with Juliet's backstory, anything with Juliet.
Widmore video
by MeshGearFoxx
Mar 6th, 2008
09:26:43 PM
I was I lived in a vacuum because when I saw the Widmore video I would have been like oh shit, it's that fucker Widmore behind this.
i disagree
by evildeadron
Mar 6th, 2008
09:26:54 PM
Ben was the tootsie roll wrapped inside a Juliet flavored candy coated shell. This was a Ben episode to me and it was a piece of the bigger puzzle
nah
by CherryValance
Mar 6th, 2008
09:26:57 PM
I'd prefer a Sawyer-Des-Sayid-Jin love rhombus.
new love triangle
by evildeadron
Mar 6th, 2008
09:28:41 PM
Hurley, vincent and the smoke monster
Re: Miles and the Grenade
by br1947
Mar 6th, 2008
09:28:46 PM
This is how I hope it's shown:

Door opens, Lock walks in, Mile in one piece, grenade on the floor. Miles' pants are wet.

Miles: "You sick bastard, I held that thing for 3 hours. I think I chipped a tooth. Where'd you find a fake grenade?"

Locke: "Huh, must have been a dud"

Can someone explain the whole gas thing?
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:29:36 PM
Ok, they wanted to make the deadly gas Ben used inert. Alright. Why were the alarms going off? Why wouldn't Farraday and Charlotte just tell them what they were doing. Who would argue with them? It's kind of a big plot hole.
Still a great episode
by slyquiz
Mar 6th, 2008
09:30:22 PM
I like how time travel has now replaced discovering a new hatch for exciting features to Lost fans. I mean, we got quite a few answers in this episode, but God forbid there isn't any time traveling. A great episode that brought some perspective on events that have occured in the past.
How did Widmore find out about the island?
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:30:49 PM
Do we know this yet?
I don't care if there's not time traveling slyquiz
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:32:38 PM
I was just not invested in the storyline this go around. I liked the plot reveals, but without a suspenseful story behind it to back it up it feels obligatory. The Constant has set the bar so high I fear they won't reach it for a while.
Cherry
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:32:53 PM
Yea...I don't think Ben has psychic powers himself (maybe he does?) but I do think his connection to Jacob, who seems to be a very powerful entity himself, makes him fearful to his people. Harper, probably as his shrink, knew what a complete psychopath this guy is... so in this way he's kinda like the twilight zone kid... bratty and in a position of power.
Geez
by Phimseto
Mar 6th, 2008
09:34:14 PM
You fucking people are so pissy. This gave us a bunch of answers to certain questions and a ton of insight into some key characters, yet it's all bitching here. And screw the Juliet haters. I'll take Juliet over most of the other cast. It's ironic that the Oceanic Six is stacked with people I hate or don't care about (Sayid excepted and Jack sort of). I hate the stupid love quadrangle, too, but obviously something is going to happen to cut that off. I'm just sorry that the future leaves Jack pining for the awful Kate.
TerryMalloy
by slyquiz
Mar 6th, 2008
09:35:01 PM
He purchaed the journal of the first mate of the Black Rock at an auction.
Hurley and Rose
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 6th, 2008
09:38:06 PM
Bernard dies in firey Smoke Monster death scene.
Plot hole...
by seanny_d
Mar 6th, 2008
09:38:18 PM
I don't think it's a plot hole. They know that Ben is a manipulative evil bastard. The freighter people don't know who to trust any more than the Losties do. If they were like, "Hey, we're going to go take care of this evil gas system. We'll be back later." only to have a bullet sent through their back. While I think they might have been a little TOO aggressive, I suppose I understand the logic behind it.
Yeah, I guess i"m in the minority too. I dig
by GQtaste
Mar 6th, 2008
09:38:46 PM
Juliet and her body. I'd take her over Kate anyday.
The only people that are pissy
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:39:06 PM
Are the people that are pissy about the pissy people. Piss.
terrymalloy
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:39:18 PM
i don't think they are as big plot holes as you say. i mean there could be a number of reasons why they did what they did and that fact itself means they aren't plot holes, just not properly explained. faraday and charlotte could possibly just not trust jack and everyone that much, widmore might have extensive intelligence on the island and the wherabouts of the stations...who knows? but we do know that the gas was used before during the purge
Ben loving on Juliet
by Prior Walter
Mar 6th, 2008
09:40:13 PM
We're supposed to believe Ben is a straight man? That's the most unbelievable thing on this show.
cunt
by nora inu
Mar 6th, 2008
09:40:15 PM
yes, cunt, anyhow, some people in this talkback are complete bitches, hey guess what, some episodes of a show are better than other episodes, oh, holy fuck, for real???? yes you cuntgoblins....it's all about the motherfucking arc as i said about (yet nobody seems to have listened to me, i always thought that was the point of the internet...MEEEEE!!!!)
Slyquiz
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:40:42 PM
So he must have known something was funky about the black rock. That's why he wanted to go to the auction anyway.
therapist a ghost? or the monster?
by EricST1
Mar 6th, 2008
09:41:42 PM
she appeared and left out of nowhere when the whispers were going on...she delievered a message...totally what the monster does when it transforms into ppl who come to give messages i.e. yemi & walt
FUCK
by nora inu
Mar 6th, 2008
09:41:59 PM
in the third line of my previous post i wrote about when i should have written above!!!!
Maybe, guys, maybe
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:42:44 PM
But they were perfectly willing to reveal everything to Kate after the fact. I highly doubt Kate and Jack would have pistol whipped them for suggesting something like that. The explanation that satisfies me most is that the freighties just have that rebellious streak. Charlotte's got an attitude. I dig her.
TerryMalloy - That's probably true
by slyquiz
Mar 6th, 2008
09:43:34 PM
And in that respect, you're right. We don't know. Maybe he knew Ben?
Widmore's interest in the island
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:44:27 PM
i think ben explained it all tonight. people become awed and obsessed about miraculous things...Widmore probably heard from down the grapevine about this island (ex-dharma people, degroots, people we havent seen?) and as a man of great wealth and power decided to be a douche and try to exploit it and see it for himself. just another thing that hasnt been explained but more than likely will be.
Phimseto
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:44:36 PM
It's not what they did this episode, it's how they did it. This episode did not appeal to my aesthetic taste. It did to you. That's great. People can have different opinions without being pissy.
Ben didn't seem to notice that he WASN'T DEAD????
by jimbojones123
Mar 6th, 2008
09:45:20 PM
The whole gas thing played out really weird. So he was hoping to kill everybody including himself so that the island would be ripe for the taking when the freighter pulled up?

Or are Charlotte and Daniel playing everybody and set up the thing to be pretending the whole time and to end at 2 seconds on purpose.

I also hope that the only reason Michael may be the spy is that some serious shit happened to him after he got on the island and Ben was his only hope. A pre-concieved deal before hand makes the whole sail away scene and Michael's disbelief that he would be leaving really a plot hole.

jimbo
by alex138
Mar 6th, 2008
09:47:45 PM
i think ben just wanted juliet to stop charlotte and daniel so the gas wouldn't be rendered useless for any future plans he had for it. i don't think he meant for it to be released just yet.
Kate and Juliet being Caught off guard
by jimbojones123
Mar 6th, 2008
09:48:33 PM
STUPID. Really. Would Kate really be that off guard after seeing the lies plain in front of her face. Same w/Jules. Very out of character. Don't know if I liked this episode because of all the holes. And I'm getting tired of the whole "guess what we didn't tell you before" angle on EVERY scene. It's getting kinda old. Did Goodwin really need a wife? Did he need to be cheating on her w/Jules? Couldn't it have been fine that Ben was just jealous in general without the extra scandal?
I like the idea that the island is a tightly guarded secret
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:49:12 PM
if Dharma or Degroots people had loose tongues the cat would be out of the bag in no time. Don't you guys remember junior high?
Widmore and the island
by MeshGearFoxx
Mar 6th, 2008
09:49:44 PM
I did like how they handled the Widmore interest in the island; the interest to exploit it. It even adds more to the 815ers having a reason to side with Ben to protect the island later on. And obviously there are people who remain on the island for reasons where they would want to protect it even more. Hell I'm starting to think of Ben as a good guy now. I heart you, island. sniff sniff
How did Ben get the warning out to Jules?
by jimbojones123
Mar 6th, 2008
09:53:16 PM
Thick with holes this episode was.
So when does episode 8 actually air?
by The_Squid
Mar 6th, 2008
09:54:18 PM
its says march 20 on lostpedia and someone above mentioned march 20th so what's the deal? I'm pretty sure we'll find out who the man on the boat is next week, they wouldn't tease us again like they did this week would they?
Jimbo
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:54:34 PM
Ben has a man on the Island. [Insert "Lost" logo]
wait the fuck meshgearfoxx
by nora inu
Mar 6th, 2008
09:55:48 PM
don't be lovin' on the island just yet, widmore's interest and motives are yet to be seen, he may or may not be "the economist". ben is bad ass but for anyone to assume that his motives are anything but selfish seems really foolish at this point
jimbojones
by Sick Fixx
Mar 6th, 2008
09:56:47 PM
I agree they tease way too much when they could be revealing more. The back and forth rhetoric is getting old. 'Why should I trust you' has become everyone's catchphrase on this show. It's something I don't even think the writers realize. But when people complain about there not being enough plot advancement, they really do have a point most of the time. Sure, we had a nice revelation tonight with Widmore and his pursuit of the island, but it's not exactly a curveball. It's something we saw coming to a degree due to the involvement of Desmond and Penelope with events on the island. Every episode should be as jampacked as last week's and 'Man Behind the Curtain'. I think a lot of people mistake motion for action when they consistently say 'Fuck that episode was awesome! Lost just gets better every week!' week after week.

by smutpeddlar
Mar 6th, 2008
09:56:52 PM
you look just like her
Dharma wanted to exploit the island
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
09:57:07 PM
But for the benefit of mankind. Me no likely Charles Widmore! He no let Desmond marry Penny either!
There was a lot of poor writing
by slyquiz
Mar 6th, 2008
09:59:58 PM
And it probably would have been ironed out if it wasn't for the strike. I mean, the whole thing with Claire was forced. Outside of the flashback, this episode was pure exposition. Why did Daniel and Charlotte go out on their own? Why did Juliet and Kate allow themselves to be hit upside the head (twice in the same episode, no less) by Charlotte? Simply to move the plot along. However, I enjoy Juliet's character, and I love Ben. And quite frankly, the flashbacks were more or less about both Ben and Juliet, despite it being Juliet-centric. But I never found the episode boring (Eggtown wins that one. And I enjoy answers/new hatches, and this episode provided that, at the expense of some character development.
SickFixx
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
10:02:33 PM
I know what you mean but I'd like to say it in a different way. We could conceivably have an episode where the only thing we learned was the Widmore is Freighter man. But what we want is an interesting BACKSTORY/FLASHFORWARD that reveals character, advances story, and is suspenseful/interesting. In an ideal episode, there also should be some WTF moments (ie supernatural/island mysteries).
Whatever happened to Hanzo?
by Lashlarue
Mar 6th, 2008
10:04:20 PM
Who's pushing the button? Where's Walt? WTF is the smoke monster? Is Charlie really dead? WTF is Jacob? AAAAhhhhhhhhhhh....Fuck it. Enjoy the ride.
I'm sorry SickFixx
by slyquiz
Mar 6th, 2008
10:04:58 PM
But your constant use of the phrase "motion but no action" is kind of moot when you praise Prison Break, the worst offender.
And
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
10:08:00 PM
the main action on the island should not be an arbitrary "let's go look for so and so". It should be interesting and should focus on character. Simple episodes like "The Moth" work because of character growth on island/off island coinciding with interesting island events. In that episode, Charlie was dealing with his withdrawal, Sayid tried to triangulate Rousseau's distress signal, and there was a cave-in. Not much crazy stuff happened. But the scenes were sharply written and we were invested in Charlie's struggle.
It has been a GREAT week!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Mar 6th, 2008
10:08:45 PM
First, we receive THE CONSTANT last Thursday night on LOST. Then, Barack Hussein Obama gets defeated in the two big states (Ohio and Texas). Now, we get yet another great episode of LOST.

Yeah, it's been a great week!

Let's table the whole Prison Break/Sick Fixx thing
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
10:10:29 PM
and discuss the show. Whaddya say?
I'm not getting into another Prison Break/Lost debate
by Sick Fixx
Mar 6th, 2008
10:12:06 PM
Because I know in my heart which show wins in the plot development department every single time and the winner doesn't have to resort to playing word games and springing essential information only at the last possible second that it could have been useful.
Ccchhhhrrriiisssm
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
10:12:09 PM
Still doing the Barack "Hussein" Obama thing? Let it go, man. Let go of your anger. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side.
Fair enough
by slyquiz
Mar 6th, 2008
10:14:26 PM
In any case, I'm glad the spoilers going around turned out to be inaccurate. They made it seem like Ben's line "You're mine" as though Juliet was FORCED to marry Ben. I'm glad that wasn't the case, but I'm not too sure we need to go down that road. Still looking forward to them exploring the Orchid, but who knows how that will fit in with everything that is happening.
I'm with TerryMalloy on this one, and here's why...
by maxwell's hammer
Mar 6th, 2008
10:14:28 PM
...I like the ideas of tonight's episode, but it seemed like a weak script and sort of averagely directed. Not bad, by any means. It'll be cool to think about some of the info and plot developments over the next week...but as a 'watching experience', it was kind of 'meh'.
Ben is Lying
by EyeofPolyphemus
Mar 6th, 2008
10:15:46 PM
come on, folks. he tells Locke he always has a plan. he has to get out within a week in order to avoid Miles. He shows Locke a video tape with no sound to tell us what is really going on in it, then strokes Locke's ego by telling him he is a walking miracle everyone would want to see. Yes, Widmore probably is a bad guy in some regard, but the idea he just wants to exploit the island is too simplistic.

Harper was Old Smokey. that critter shows up just about every time there is a downpour.

While I am on the subject, Daniel and Charlotte may have pulled this stunt to gain the Losties' trust. I believe we have been hoodwinked the entire episode.

I'm also with Sick Fixx on this one, and here's why...
by maxwell's hammer
Mar 6th, 2008
10:17:04 PM
Because I like people who are more intelligent than everyone else and also find Prison Break to be the epitome of broadcast television.
Yeah, I don't get why Ben has so much power over Juliet
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
10:18:14 PM
She doesn't seem to be the type to roll over so easily. It was kind of a stretch, that whole "You're Mine" thing.
Nora Inu I Salute You
by The Ender Smites Foes
Mar 6th, 2008
10:19:34 PM
Cuntgoblin is probably the most awesome way I have ever seen cunt intertwined with another word. Cuntgoblin. Fucking genius dude.
Addendum
by EyeofPolyphemus
Mar 6th, 2008
10:20:08 PM
The Red Sox game Ben taped over was presumably the final game of the 2004 World Series. So the video was recorded two months prior 8before* he showed the video of the game to Jack.
You're right EyeofPolymepheus
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
10:20:29 PM
I don't trust Ben in anything that he says. He's a sociopath that one. My aunt is like Ben--a pathological liar. But she is less creepy.
The Ender
by TerryMalloy
Mar 6th, 2008
10:22:07 PM
You're a cuntgoblin. [Pause, thinks for a moment] Yeah, that's funny.
You people are bringing up Prison Break now
by Sick Fixx
Mar 6th, 2008
10:22:57 PM
I maintain my position, but I'm trying to discuss the episode. It is Maxwell who is doing the trolli