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It figures
by drewlicious
Mar 5th, 2008
07:33:05 PM
We finally get to see Buffy in thsi position and she's a frickin' cartoon. I still think Twilight is going to turn out to be Riley by the way. He's pretty much the only old school character from way back that we haven't seen yet. Unless Glory's male counterpart survived somehow, we didnt' see him die on screen if you remember.
I was FIIIIRST!!!
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 5th, 2008
07:34:14 PM
I'm really digging the new "season"
by rbatty024
Mar 5th, 2008
07:56:12 PM
It seems like it's really starting to gell. I'm adverse to bringing back any other older characters. I say, bring in the new.
anyone else hate Herc's writing style?
by JimCurry
Mar 5th, 2008
07:57:56 PM
Rhetorical question, of course...
No, just you.
by gotilk
Mar 5th, 2008
08:02:56 PM
Rhetorical answer.
Each issue gets better and better..
by WatertownSurfer
Mar 5th, 2008
08:34:50 PM
I'm enjoying every page of Season 8. The dialouge is spot fucking on, the characters feel like they did in the show. I'm loving where he's taking the story as well. Let's hope between this and Dollhouse, Whedon follows up on his promise to do the Ripper TV movie. Herc, what's the news on that or are waiting for some ruminations at the Paley?
Breaking News:
by Jack Colby
Mar 5th, 2008
08:44:11 PM
Herc loves latest Buffy product!
agreed
by The Addict
Mar 5th, 2008
08:44:50 PM
Great issue, great season, amazing cover for the "No future for you" trade.
Joss Whedon fucked up.... (Spoilers)
by Mr. Profit
Mar 5th, 2008
08:49:10 PM
I am a fan of Joss Whedon. Buffy is one of my favorite shows of all time. The Buffy character was well written and brought to life in a great way by Gellar. So to see the character suddenly going Bi is ridiculous. Its bad enough they fucked her over with the whole Spike fling. And even by making her work at the Doublemeat Palace, now Buffy is gay? Sure looking at 2 chicks get it on was the shit from like the 6th through 9th grade, and I have nothing against homosexuality, but I hate how this development feels forced. Like to shock us. Its just so random. Do comic books have a sweeps period like TV? Because the faux lesbian gimmicks usually appear on TV in May. Shaking my head... Glad I did not buy this shit. I refused after I heard Dawn was a giant.
Mr. Profit
by Jed
Mar 5th, 2008
08:55:33 PM
I'm as shocked as the next guy. However, it doesn't feel so much forced as it does something whedon always intended to explore in the show but couldn't. but now that buffy is portrayed by ink and not by a high-maintenence starlet, he can go there, as it were. You're really doing yourself a disservice by ignoring the comic if you're a fan, though. it's been pretty much a+ across the board.
I dunno...
by Mr. Profit
Mar 5th, 2008
09:00:41 PM
When people describe what's going on to me in an effort to get me to read it, I sweat its like listening to episode summaries of "Charmed". I'm a fan, but of the TV show. And SMG may have been "High Maintenance" since she didnt make friends on set and hang at co-stars homes. But she did her job. And she played the character well for 7 seasons.
But..
by Mr. Profit
Mar 5th, 2008
09:03:38 PM
On your recommendation I will finally give in and read all of them. Hopefully it will make Buffy's sudden Bisexuality make more sense to me.
file this under aicn comics
by Jubba
Mar 5th, 2008
09:40:49 PM
really, this ISN'T tv anymore....
I second Mr. Proift
by Buck Swoop
Mar 5th, 2008
09:52:20 PM
Love girl on girl but Buffy Anne Summers ain't no pillow queen or munchin' on carpet.
How stupid....SPOILERS
by Jobacca
Mar 5th, 2008
09:59:09 PM
Is this really an issue? For a Whedon comic? Arent Buffy fans enlightened enough to not be shocked by this? I love Whedon but in some ways,he's a lot like Judd Winnick...he's obsessed with certain issues. Half of Whedons characters have either been Gay,Bi,or recently killed/returned from the dead. Its not like you couldnt have seen this coming fanboys...
I'd buy this comic book
by Mr Spork
Mar 5th, 2008
10:12:14 PM
in case I ran out of toliet paper.
Switching teams
by rsanta74
Mar 5th, 2008
10:13:00 PM
Even if it's temporary, Buffy's decision to "go girl" kinda makes a little sense. For a couple of reasons, actually.

1) A castle full of women and nobody's getting laid? Believable? Not really.

Let's face it. Andrew might make it as gay as the day is long; That or he's got an affinity for his life size Princess Leia blow up doll. Xander isn't an option to 90% of the women, especially Buffy.

Who's left?

2) I'm not saying that its the norm, but lots of women do kinda experiment. Much more so than guys. Ask a woman if she's at the very least kissed one of her friends, even on a dare. There's a fair chance she might say yes. Ask a guy. Now, get an ice pack for that black eye. =)

3) Being a slayer means being in an all girls club. There's something very Amazon about it. Guys aren't really a part of the equation much.

4) Buffy's at a turning point in her life (again). She's no longer the one and only slayer. She's one of many. She's lost that connection to the outside world. If only for one night, to feel connected and wanted is probably better than feeling alone.

4) "Gay for a Day" or "Gay All the Way"? ... Its interesting. If this had been Faith, people might not have been bitching as much. Faith is very much the outsider. I'm really surprised she didn't bang that crazy Brit Slayer from a few issues back.

To see Buffy do something so _personally_ impulsive, outside of battle, is new. Its not out of character so much as it's an exploration of who she is, who she wants to be, and who people expect her to be.

5) Let's face it. This is NOT the "shock value" thing Buffy's ever done. Some might call banging Spike dumb and gimmicky, but there was some sense even to that - kinda like why a cutter does the whole razor thing.

Buffy has a long history of doing dumb things in her personal life. Spike was only the tip of it.

This will definitely come back to bite her in the ass. Nothing worse than a jilted lover. Well, a jilted lover with superhuman strength probably IS worse. Yeah. That's gonna turn out well. Buffy may have just created a new baddie.

Whedon may not have written this issue/episode, but he is still at the helm. He definitely wouldn't let the writers do anything with the characters that he wouldn't have agreed with or thought of himself somewhere down the line.

Some of you might not agree with this little plot twist, but it IS a part of her character now. It's not like it fucked up Willow's character. If anything, it probably added a whole new level. The fact that Buffy would even consider doing the mattress mambo with a chick for even one night is a huge insight into her character.

Suppose you're Buffy. Your mom's dead. Your town got eaten up buy the mouth of What once made you unique is gone. Hell. You haven't even gotten laid in 12-24 months, even longer for an actual relationship.

It's no wonder why Buffy's so confused. She's a college dropout with no job, no legally obtained money, no prospects beyond the next battle, no relationship, no mentor, etc..

Buffy is kinda in a fucked place up right now. Her latest conquest is a symptom and not the problem.

Great issue. Felt a little short on story advancement, but it was rich in character stuff.

As Buffy continues her nakedness, something kinda huge is reveal
by The Funketeer
Mar 5th, 2008
10:14:33 PM
Herc, none of us believe you even have a penis much less that it's "kinda huge."
I just watched the finale of Project Runway...
by FlickaPoo
Mar 5th, 2008
10:32:44 PM
...and I liked it. I just watched the finale of Project Runway.....and I LIKED IT.
Every comic book character is Bi!
by skywalkerfamily
Mar 5th, 2008
11:37:58 PM
It's the trend that started in the 90s.
buffy's bi-ness on Perez..
by ulcer
Mar 5th, 2008
11:38:53 PM
perez hilton : "Buffy Eats Muffy!" http://tinyurl.com/3a7abe
weadon quote from link above
by ulcer
Mar 5th, 2008
11:39:51 PM
Whedon made sure to mention that “We’re not going to make her gay, nor are we going to take the next 50 issues explaining that she’s not."
The whole Whedon Buffy #12 Article @
by rsanta74
Mar 6th, 2008
12:35:48 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03 /05/books/05buffy.html?_r=1&sc p=1&sq=buffy&st=nyt&oref=slogi n
Sold!!!!
by Yeti
Mar 6th, 2008
05:41:57 AM
I shall get myself to the Comix Store forthwith!
groan
by ZeroCorpse
Mar 6th, 2008
11:16:05 AM
More Buffy shit.
Even vampire slayers are helpless before its power:
by fiester
Mar 6th, 2008
11:40:58 AM
Behold: hot Asian poon-tang!
She's still FUCKING COOKIE DOUGH!
by LordEnigma
Mar 6th, 2008
11:56:12 AM
This whole angle demonstrates in epic soft-core porn fashion, that Buffy still has no idea who she's supposed to be or who she wants to be. Buffy needs to get her ass in gear, or this big bad will take her down. Since the BIG BAD has to know that BUFFY is still not even close to the leader and the woman that she needs to be. While this whole LESBIAN THING seems hokey. It does play into the part of this character that we already know: SHE'S FUCKED UP! Her fuckedupness takes a body count. Now she will just break another person's heart, but this time it's a girl. That's how Buffy Summers' rolls.
Oh, good, the guy who wrote Cloverfield!!!
by TallBoy66
Mar 6th, 2008
03:01:31 PM
Awesome, is the whole book douchebags saying, "Oh my God!" "Shit!!" "Oh my God!" "Shit! Shit! SHIT!!!" Fucking genius of a wordsmith, that Goodard is...
I was hoping the reveal would be Oz
by Charlie Murphy
Mar 6th, 2008
03:15:19 PM
but it's only Dracula. online hints seemed to point to Oz returning... "wolves at the Gate"? anyway, good issue for sure
rsanta74
by 1FearlessJay
Mar 6th, 2008
03:33:34 PM
On the nose. It didn't make much sense to me, and I toyed with the idea that it was a gimmic. However, once I thought about it, and you put it very succinctly, it does make sense. They've even hinted heavily at how lonely (physically and emotionally) she is. They even hit us over the head with the fact that she's had sex dreams about Xander, and Angel & Spike. You take a young woman who's emotionally mixed up, lonely, and lacking physical intimacy over a long period of time; then drop her in a home full of girls... well, it's very possible for something to happen if she's got an open mind.
Frankly I'm amazed
by Jerusalem
Mar 6th, 2008
05:13:18 PM
That Herc was able to pull away from Joss's knob for the minute it took him to make this post.
I was so hoping Oz would show
by Z 008
Mar 6th, 2008
05:37:52 PM
And the scene in the bedroom with everybody made me laugh out loud multiple times. BTW what question are you hoping to get answered?
Rushing through everything
by KanekoFan
Mar 6th, 2008
07:19:35 PM
Buffy's experimentation is perfectly reasonable for her character; the problem is that, like everything else in this comic, it happened way too quickly, with no real build-up. Twenty-four pages per issue with only a few panels per page is not enough to try to fit as much story per issue as they're trying. The first four issue arc would have worked a lot better stretched out to six our eight issues, issue five makes a footnote out of a story that deserved its own full arc, the Faith arc was an exception that actually had some depth to its presentation, but now we're back to rush-rush-rush!
I'm done
by Forget_Byron
Mar 6th, 2008
08:55:43 PM
Well I am glad I check the review here first, now I know I am done with the Buffy comic. If a person wants to be gay, that's their business but I am sick to death of having homosexuality thrown into my face as part of the Hollywood conspiracy to desensitize mainstream America to it. I was disappointed that they did that to Willow during the show, but I stuck with the show because that was before you could go to a movie that was promoted as a comedy about a moron race car driver and then have to hold in the vomit when you realized that it was really just a devious way of making you watch a homosexual moment. I am completely tired of the in-your-face homosexuality that is going on, and so I now choose to add the Buffy comic to the list of media materials I will boycott to be spared that visualization. :(
Forget_Byron
by password.swordfish
Mar 6th, 2008
09:13:59 PM
Quit throwing your heterosexuality in my face. I get it, you like vagina. Big man. Why is it that gay characters, strictly by nature of being gay, are flaunting it, but heteros aren't? Riddle me that, jackass.
@Passionfish
by Forget_Byron
Mar 6th, 2008
09:41:13 PM
2 things: 1. How do you think name-calling helps your argument? 2. How does someone saying they are tired of Hollywood pressure to desensitize people to homosexuality translate to mean that that person is throwing heterosexuality in your face? :/
Byron
by password.swordfish
Mar 6th, 2008
10:39:36 PM
OK, I should have reserved the jackass comment. I wish I could apologize to you, but I just don't feel right saying those words to someone so closed-minded. Yes, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion on homosexuality, and if you're not OK with it (as much as I cannot understand this position), that's up to you. But your claim that Hollywood is trying to desensitize people is ridiculous. Willow was not "in your face" with her homosexuality. She was a lesbian, she had a girlfriend, and it was treated in the same way as every other relationship on that show. If that was in your face, so were the other character's heterosexuality. What I reacted to in your post is the idea that any such relationship does not deserve equal treatment as a hetero relationship, which is bigoted. If I misunderstood, please correct me. The way I see it, Hollywood is absolutely FULL of heterosexual relationships. If a few people out there want to tip the scales a little in the other direction, kudos to them. I don't see it as forcing it on you, I see it as exposing you to it. If you get a little more tolerant as a result, I can't see the downside.
Byron
by TheDarkBird
Mar 7th, 2008
04:24:26 AM
What kind of straight man doesn't like lesbians?!?
@Forget_Byron
by epitone
Mar 7th, 2008
09:45:14 AM
If you're that much of a homophobe, I guarantee you Joss doesn't want you reading his comic anyway.
The question Herc wants answered is *Spoilers*
by MiserableRainGod
Mar 7th, 2008
12:24:13 PM
Why does Dracula get so many great powers that other vamps don't get, like turning into mist or wolf form, surviving Mr. Pointy, etc.
another good interview link
by oisin5199
Mar 7th, 2008
01:46:18 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2wg4mb

This interview's more detailed and offers some insight in the whole comparison between the show and the comic, in terms of production.

About the 'gay' thing, frankly I'm not surprised. There's been plenty of buildup with the whole cinnamon lipstick thing, Buffy complaining about not getting laid and having no outlet, and the fact that at this point she's open-minded. Joss chalks it up to 'youthful experimentation,' though he doesn't use the word 'bi' which is curious (but not bi-curious). I always thought it would be a better idea to make Willow bi and not negate her past relationships with Oz and Xander, that Tara was someone that she happened to fall in love with, but I guess the networks weren't ready for that kind of subtlety. I think it was important for the show to establish that Willow and Tara's relationship wasn't exploitative ratings-grabbing (evidenced by their first onscreen kiss being decidedly unsexy, as it was a comfort kiss in the middle of mourning the sudden death of Buffy's mother). But with Buffy, the situation is different. And yeah, that was so 'in my face.' And by that, I mean I was holding the comic up to my face to read it. I always love when homophobe idiots say that homosexuality is ok as long as it's not 'in their face.' So keep gaying it up out there, but keep the closet door closed. Remember, it's all part of the Hollywood agenda to turn us gay. Because showing a healthy gay couple (not that I'm referring to Buffy's sitch here) interact as lovers (you know, like in life) is 'in your face' and must be part of an agenda to 'desensitize us.' Like it's bloody violence or something. Anyone who starts out a post with 'if a person wants to be gay' I have no problem calling a jackass. Good thing you did 'forget Byron,' because, guess what? Byron liked the boys AND the ladies.

Drac's Powers
by Z 008
Mar 7th, 2008
02:19:47 PM
Didn't Spike have some line about him using Gypsy magic?
“Buffy the Vampire Slayer: S8 Confirmed Writers
by buffywrestling
Mar 7th, 2008
02:45:12 PM
#1-5 Joss Whedon

#6-9 Brian K. Vaughan

#10-11 Joss Whedon

#12-15 Drew Goddard

#16-19 Joss Whedon

#20 Jeph Loeb

#21-30 A combination of Jane Espenson, Doug Petrie, Drew Greenberg, Jim Krueger and one other TBD (DeKnight, please!!)

#31-35 Brad Meltzer (four or all five issues TBD)

#36-40 Joss Whedon

Or maybe it was used to sell more comic books...
by masulsa
Mar 7th, 2008
02:46:14 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertai nment/story?id=4396156&page=1 My shop had way more copies of this issue than any other issue of BTVS Season 8. Comic book stores were told by Whedon and Dark Horse to make sure that they had extra copies of this issue. That being said, this was a good issue. Why not let her experiment. She had been complaining about how lonely she had been for such a long time. Why not let her give in. She did not do much, she let the other girl "do things". How was the reveal going to be Oz??? Haven't you watched the episodes? Google "Wolves at the gate". This episode had great dialogue. Also, the whole fact that everyone knows about the two of them in bed was great. Very funny. Xander reacting to Dracula at the end was also funny. His reactions to Dracula was great in season 5, I was very happy to see it again. I hope that Twighlight is not Riley. That would push it too much. Plus, Riley is married and having fun going on missions with his wife. I think Buffy would have sensed if it was Riley. Why does Dracula get so many great powers? Go watch the Seaons 5 episode with him again. Giles explains it fairly well. I do agree with the poster who is tired of having the gay lifestyle thrown in our face by a liberal media. However, Buffy TVS universe has always done a good job handling it. Tara and Willow were great, and then Willow and Kennedy was fantastic. The episode where Amy cast a spell as part of her revenge was amazing. This has been a decent comic book. It's not as good as "Y-the last man" or "The Sword", but it is pretty good. This was a good issue.
"since the early days"?
by newc0253
Mar 7th, 2008
04:06:46 PM
he wasn't introduced until the start of season 5 of 7. so not that early.

also, no love for Goddard's work on Angel??? his work on Angel was far better than anything he did on Alias seasons 4 or 5. not that i hold him responsible: that show was doomed after season 3.

So gayful...
by edshrinker
Mar 7th, 2008
07:10:16 PM
I meant "grateful". You don't suppose that slip was...?

HOW 'BOUT THAT SUPER BOWL! TOUGH, MANLY GAME THAT IS! GOTTA BE A MAN AND TOUGH AND HETERO AND STUFF...

Enjoying the continuation of the Buffyverse. Angel has been awesome. I love seeing how they brought Wes back My God what a season 6 this would have made.

Someone clue me in on this Y:The Last Man.

I just got to read it.
by CatVutt
Mar 7th, 2008
10:24:15 PM
Fucking GREAT. The whole gay-encounter thing is just the catalyst for character interaction that we simply haven't seen in this series to date. You could totally see this playing out on screen, beat-for-beat. I've been more pro-Angel: After the Fall in terms of story to date, but this issue really, really nailed it. Of COURSE everybody's going to immediately find out Buffy had a lesbian encounter. Beautifully played, I thought.
@buffywrestling
by acassimaty
Mar 7th, 2008
11:42:58 PM
Joss confirms in the interview linked above that DeKnight is the fifth writer of that arc. Yay.
@buffywrestling
by acassimaty
Mar 7th, 2008
11:42:59 PM
Joss confirms in the interview linked above that DeKnight is the fifth writer of that arc. Yay.
Ironic
by Forget_Byron
Mar 8th, 2008
08:34:33 AM
It's always amusing to me that it's okay to label a person a "homophobe" or some other slanderous title if they say homosexuality offends them. In other words, it's only okay to speak one's mind about something if goes with the mainstream. Notice in my posts I didn't mention my sexual preference nor did I label anyone who posted because I do believe that everyone is entitled to their own decisions amd beliefs. I do have friends and co-workers who are gay, believe it or not. That's not really the point though. I have made my point, and so I am through with this discussion. It's not like anything I say will persuade anyone, nor will anything said back to me will sway me either.
Thank you!
by buffywrestling
Mar 8th, 2008
09:23:47 AM
Thank you!
by buffywrestling
Mar 8th, 2008
09:24:02 AM
"Someone clue me in on this Y:The Last Man"
by newc0253
Mar 8th, 2008
12:13:45 PM
it's great. and now that it's completed its run you can read it through from start to finish, over 10 volumes.
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