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Are you serious?
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
12:02:49 PM
Its finally come to this. A review of D&D? Im curious to see the talkback here.
This explains so much.
by WYLD STALLYNS RULES
Feb 28th, 2008
12:04:07 PM
hoo-boy.
by frankenfickle
Feb 28th, 2008
12:08:49 PM
brave article there, brother. hope you got your +3 helm of defense against derision srtapped on tight.
The blade went snicker-snap
by Thrillho77
Feb 28th, 2008
12:13:14 PM
then WHACK! Off goes the dragon's HEAD! ...and CANDY starts spraying out of it's neck! Surprise! It's a pinata!!!
wat
by Bob of the Shire
Feb 28th, 2008
12:14:36 PM
The giant D&D CLOSET!
by Thrillho77
Feb 28th, 2008
12:14:43 PM
Shoulda stayed in there with you Gnome Maze - or whatever the hell it was.
Simple rules
by Automaton Overlord
Feb 28th, 2008
12:16:11 PM
Simple rules sound much better. Look at chess, I could explain that to somebody in about two minutes, but it doesn't limit the play.
You're walking down a Talkback...
by Boba Fat
Feb 28th, 2008
12:17:32 PM
It's gloomy with cobwebs hanging down from the ceiling. You grab a nearby torch. You're surrounded by trolls Massa!! What do you do?
Wow, thanks Massa!
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:17:53 PM
It's about time this site had something worthwhile on it. Definitely looking forward to parts 2 and 3.
No dissing playing D&D
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:18:47 PM
Vin Diesel plays D&D
I CAST MY SPELL AT THE DARKNESS
by ArcadianDS
Feb 28th, 2008
12:19:00 PM
Do we have any more Mountain Dew?
Boo to ArcadianDS for getting the quote wrong
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:22:29 PM
"I want to cast Magic Missile"

"Why are you casting Magic Missile? There's nothing to attack here."

"I'm-I'm-I'm attacking the darkness!"

...and yes, I had that memorized off the top of my head.

"Eeeeuuuunnnnggggpppphhh........ ..."
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
12:23:56 PM
Is the noise that you make when you slide your scratched coke-bottom glasses up your greasy nose. God, what a fucking geek.
Massa--
by PotSmokinAlien
Feb 28th, 2008
12:24:11 PM
you've been my favorite non-Vern reviewer on the site for quite some time, and now i finally understand why. This is pretty much the awesomest article that's been on here in months. Thanks for a great read.

anyone who wants to talk shit on D&D... i pity you for many reasons.

Shit, I booed ArcadianDS and I'm pretty sure I screwed up
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:26:28 PM
I think the final line is "I attack the darkness" ... here let me listen to it (of course it's on my iPod)
Lightning Bolt!!! Lightning Bolt!!! Lightning Bolt!!!!
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
12:26:37 PM
Type this into YouTube and imagine this loser casting Styrofoam lightning bolts at other dorks.
You play D&D... right...
by SpencerTrilby
Feb 28th, 2008
12:27:30 PM
Nothing wrong, as long as you're not wearing corduroy pants or writing for your high school log.
D&D was awesome...
by tensticks
Feb 28th, 2008
12:27:35 PM
When I was a teenager in the 80s and we needed it. Now? We don't need it, any more than we need Republicans or racists. And Tunnels & Trolls was a much cooler game anyway. Simple and fun and completely unpretentious.
I got the last line right, but the first one is wrong
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:28:25 PM
It should be "I'm casting Magic Missile"
I really miss playing pen and paper rpg's
by Reel American Hero
Feb 28th, 2008
12:29:55 PM
It's something I've only done a few times in my life, but the games were always awesome. I just wish I knew more people that were into that type rpg playing. My wife is of the mindset that those days are past and it's all about the online stuff now, but I think there will always be a place for getting together with your friends for some good old fashioned rpg playing.
Thanks sooo much Bill Brasky!
by SpencerTrilby
Feb 28th, 2008
12:30:13 PM
That was awesome! Cannot...stop...laughing...
This reminds of the Sarah Silverman Show episode
by indyjonez100
Feb 28th, 2008
12:31:33 PM
Where Brian Poshan is playing D & D with his nerd herd while his gay lover is trying to understand. Then they venture out into the real world to go on a quest. I rolled a 20, critical hit!
...is it me or....
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
12:35:51 PM
..does it just sound unnatural that you are including wives into this discussion? I mean, you guys are actually playing fucking role-playing games with your wives for Christ's sake! My wife is a real ball buster sometimes, but when she does nag me, it is because I am doing something like, I don't know, playing video games or reading comics or other non-productive shit. She doesn’t join in! Shouldn't your wives be working or exercising, or taking care of the baby, or shopping at Victoria's Secret or I don't know, trying to fuck your brains out? Jesus H. Christ on a pop-cycle stick! L.O.S.E.R.S.!
It's D&D!
by Reel American Hero
Feb 28th, 2008
12:36:30 PM
I got my twelve sided die and I'm ready to roll with a wizard and my goblin crew. My friends are coming over to my mom's basement bringing Funyuns and the Mountain Dew. I got a big broad sword made outta cardboard and that stereos a pumpin zeppelin. (dazed and confused) It's that time of the night, we turn on the black light, let the dungeons and the dragons begin! It's D and D!! Fighting with the legends of yore. It's D and D!! Never kissed a lady before. Nope, I said it, WOOO! C'mon you gonna bring the thunder? I'll bring the fuckin thunder, c'mon bring the thunder, c'mon lets go! Aww that's nice. Why don't you bring some thunder mother fucker. Bring some thunder, alright! Now the lord of the rings the dark crystal and things, we use these as a reference tool. And when we put on our cloaks and tell warlock jokes, we're the coolest kids in the school! No we're not. I know. Now Teich's a real bastard, but a fair dungeon master, he's got hitpoints and charisma to lend. And I rehearse in my room or what I call the dragon's tomb when I'm not out with my girlfriend! It's D and D! Wait wait wait, Teich, c'mon. I'm sorry. Woah hey wait, I'm sorry. Hold on gimme one second. What? Dude come on, seriously. What?! You've got a fuckin...girlfriend? Dungeon master! That's kind of a dick thing to say. It's D and D!! Summoning the demons of hell. It's D and D!! When our shift ends at the taco bell. Gordita! Chalupa! Well my medieval brother, there's room here for another, would you care to take a roll of the die? You guys make me weep, you think that you can keep up with a warrior as mighty as I? See you're in mortal danger, I'm a first class ranger who's half gargoyle and half elf. And if that doesn't scare ya maybe I should beware ya what lurks within my gaming shelf. Next to my junior high annual lies my monster manual, and my customized dungeon master screen. I've got treasures and traps on my graph paper maps, next to my three inch solid pewter figurines. So if you think you got the balls, bring on your dungeon master calls, I'll be protected by my robe of destruction. And I will leave you both in tears cause I'm the dungeon master here and you two are in need of some instruction. It's D and D!! Warriors who terrify. It's D and D!!!!!!!
FLAME ARROW! FLAME ARROW! FLAME ARROW!
by Kingdaddy
Feb 28th, 2008
12:39:09 PM
After we defeat this gaggle of goblins we shall venture to Applebees and dine like Kings on boneless chicken wings! We have survived another day as virgins!!!
Reel American Hero
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
12:40:35 PM
Please tell me where that's from!!! God damn that is funny. I am on a harsh-ass work computer that won't let me on YouTube so I can't watch whatever it is. Sounds funny as shit though.
FLAME ARROW! FLAME ARROW! FLAME ARROW!
by Kingdaddy
Feb 28th, 2008
12:42:13 PM
After we defeat this gaggle of goblins we shall venture to Applebees and dine like Kings on boneless chicken wings! We have survived another day as virgins!!!
I can't believe I read this site
by Fat and Curious
Feb 28th, 2008
12:42:29 PM
And to the married man who admits to reading comic books? That's just as nerdy as Dungeons and Dragons. You're just as big of a pathetic nerd as this 12 sided dice wielding reviewer. Comic book readers aren't any less greasy than goblin warrior roleplayers.
After that rant, I'm willing to wager Bill Brasky is single
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:43:05 PM
Um... what?
by epitone
Feb 28th, 2008
12:43:21 PM
I thought you made up the whole game as you went along. Or something.
The Irony is rich!
by krosshair
Feb 28th, 2008
12:46:20 PM
Hold on, is this a bunch of Aint-It-Cool-News talkbackers bagging on D&D players for being nerdy?! LOL. News flash. To the rest of the world, pretty much anyone on this site is a nerd. Funny. Guess you can take solice in the fact that you're not as nerdy as those other people who are the REAL nerds...
People calling other people geeks and nerds?
by tonagan
Feb 28th, 2008
12:46:34 PM
On this site? Jesus.
Sorry krosshair...
by tonagan
Feb 28th, 2008
12:47:11 PM
Looks like we came to the same conclusion.
haters
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
12:50:32 PM
Fat & Curious: Yes, roleplayers are more Greasy.... Chirth: I'm as single as your right hand... krosshair & tonagan: You are right; but there are several levels of 'nerd.' Roleplaying > Comic Book Collecting.
GET READY FOR GEEK INFIGHTING !
by Mullah Omar
Feb 28th, 2008
12:52:32 PM
I'm waiting to watch the geeks who obsess over films to start dumping on the geeks who play D&D.

And then I'll be waiting for Vern to come in here and mock those who have done so.
This might have been an AICN World Exclusive if...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Feb 28th, 2008
12:53:23 PM
...it had been about STAR FRONTIERS.
geeks vs. nerds vs. dorks
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
12:55:05 PM
C'mon people, it's all in good fun! We all know who/what we are as soon as we hit the 'enter' key on our keyboards. I would argue that Movies are more acceptable than comics and comics more so than RPG, but who really deems what acceptable anyway? All I can say is that I have smelled more B.O. at a RPG table then in any movie house or comic store.
Fuzzy d20's for your car: http://tinyurl.com/3ye4zv
by BrandLoyalist
Feb 28th, 2008
12:55:17 PM
From jinx.com. Fly your freak flag high.

Too lazy to copy and paste TinyURL links? Rather just click 'em? Get the Greasemonkey extension for Firefox and use the new AICN TinyURL Activator Script. Here it is on userscripts.org: http://tinyurl.com/2wz4fx

Holy Fucking Shit...STAR FRONTIERS!
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
12:56:44 PM
OMG. This brings back memories from 1984 like a motherfucker. I want one of those damn deedle guns for my drive into Baltimore each day. Seen the 'Wire?' Yeah, its like that.
BrandLoyalist
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:56:54 PM
But I'm too lazy to copy and paste the userscripts.org tinyurl ... so it appears we are at an impasse
uuhhhmmm.. OK. But who gives a flying fuck?!!!
by Gabba-UK
Feb 28th, 2008
12:58:07 PM
I mean seriously. I mean respect to those who enjoy this sort of stuff, fair play to you all but I grew out of D & D when I realised that fucking women was a much better pastime. And better for your lower back.
Gabba-UK has never seen Terms of Endearment
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
12:58:57 PM
For shame.
Bill Brasky
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Feb 28th, 2008
12:59:37 PM
Fuckin' a right STAR FRONTIERS! These D&D uber-nerds got nothing on some muthafuckin' Yazirians, yo!

Gyrojet pistols are locked and loaded!

Please don't let me down.
by Ray Garraty #47
Feb 28th, 2008
01:00:12 PM
...I'm telling you, I can't wait to read this board for the next few days. I can not wait. D&D vs. Comic Books vs. Videogames in a battle royale with highly qualified participants from all corners? High Comedy Potential.
huh huh, I said 'deedle guns...'
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:00:32 PM
Of course, I meant needle guns.
Gyrojet Pistols!
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:01:40 PM
Deedle guns, needle Guns, Gyrojet Motha-Fuckin' Pistols!
ive just...
by 40ozToFreedom
Feb 28th, 2008
01:02:17 PM
ive just lost any respect for massawyrn i had. all past and future credibility for his reviews and opinions are now shot. it went down a lot after he paid to see Bratz and review it even though no one asked him to. and now hes playing dungeons and dragons, a grown man.
I didn't know you were a virgin Massa. Still respect you though.
by ricarleite
Feb 28th, 2008
01:05:33 PM
As the only staffer on AICN trying to do something good here, you still have some good credit, but that was dorky as hell. People still play D&D? Playtesting it? For what, to find any bugs? Loopholes? Reviewing a new edition of an RPG book to me makes as much sense as reviewing a painting, I mean, it is what you want it to be. Also, after GURPS horrible-horrible-God-awful changes, I believe no RPG should ever be changed. Ever. You wrote it, stick to it, and if a player feels it should be different, it doesn't require hours of PROGRAMMING to change a rule, he just fucking change it.
I'd hate to be 40ozToFreedom
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
01:05:37 PM
As a grown man, being unable to play any games such as Monopoly or D&D or Settlers of Catan ... or any videogames because, you know, those are for kids too ... or going to see movies that aren't rated R or NC-17 ... can't read comic books or graphic novels, oh and Sci-Fi and Fantasy books are definitely out too ...

40ozToFreedom is the reason Sebastian was needed to save us from the Nothing. "They looked like such strong hands"

haha 4e ... rocks
by AstroCat
Feb 28th, 2008
01:06:26 PM
4E does look to rock. There seems to be a resurgence in "pen and paper" and board gaming these days. I embraced my inner geek long ago and I'm lucky enough to have found a bunch of really good people to "geek out" with as well. Notice, I didn't say "nerd out"... there is a huge difference! Hint: 1 group baths, has a full well rounded life and goes outside and the other... well, not so much. And hell yeah, my wife geeks out, I feel sorry for all those people who have to hide there action from their wives... so sad. :P And just so you know there are some very hot "geeky girls" these days, take note. ;)
Brasky..
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
01:06:29 PM
I hear you about the drive into Baltimore. I was making it myself for a while there. Talk about "venturing into the perilous unknown." Star Frontiers was awesome when I was a kid, so was Tunnels and Trolls. Never tried D & D. Sounds like I'm denying illegal substances.
I'm with you Ray Garraty
by SpencerTrilby
Feb 28th, 2008
01:07:32 PM
but I know I'm too weak to be an observer only. Sooner or later I'll take a stand alongside one camp. Or the other.
chrth
by BrandLoyalist
Feb 28th, 2008
01:09:59 PM
Heheheh
OH man
by ForkTongue
Feb 28th, 2008
01:10:23 PM
I'm laughing my ass off at this one. I can appreciate your passion on the subject Massa. Best line of the article...

My wife, who has played 3.5 with us for years, never felt comfortable with it.

"Cmon. Papa needs a new sword of wounding."
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
01:11:27 PM
Echo
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:11:50 PM
Dope Man! Dope Man! Hey, do you watch the WIRE? Damn Omar got it from a kid.
BTW, thanks for the Dead Alewives reference
by SpencerTrilby
Feb 28th, 2008
01:12:27 PM
I googled the shit out of them and it was really fun.
I know thats right, Bill!
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
01:14:04 PM
I used to work at the Social Security building down time. Thankfully managed to get out of there. Nothing like waiting for the metro and seeing the cops shoot someone in front of the train.And after working in the city "I know that's right" became the most loathed phrase Ive ever heard.
town not time
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
01:14:30 PM
sorry bout that.
My wife, who has played 3.5 with us for years, never felt comfor
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:14:42 PM
Here's to Bill Brasky!!!!
Interesting.
by 7pointedstar
Feb 28th, 2008
01:15:21 PM
My friends and I still play D&D from time to time, but we've mostly switched to Warhammer Roleplay.

In D&D, after a certain point, your character practically becomes a god. He can't be killed, and he can kill anything in a few rounds. Generally, the battles stop being fun. Our group was always more about roleplaying anyway, but when you think about it, the rules didn't make that much sense. (We started with v2 rules, then moved to 3 and 3.5.)

Warhammer Roleplay just makes more sense to me. I'm not crazy about the setting, but the rules are better. They make more sense. Someone just starting out can get a lucky shot and kill a character that has been around forever. It makes you actually think about tactics instead of just relying on your massive amount of hit points to save you.

For the record, I would just like to state that I do have a girlfriend, and that I do have sex with her often. The last two paragraphs would seem to indicate otherwise, but I swear to Pelor it's true.

Wow...
by PirateEmery
Feb 28th, 2008
01:17:27 PM
...that was nerdy.
all this 40ozToFreedom talk...
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:17:38 PM
We've got you in this fuckin' movie to exterminate all the lunatics all at once with a filtering system of God. We're the psycho-semantic police, you can't even see us. How in the fuck can you do anything about it? We're pure intelligence, your not. Your biological product of a cosmological universe. Your molecular matter, I constructed you, fuck you. I made you up, you didn't make me up, you got it backwards. You know who you are? Your fuckin' semantic blockage, that's what made you up. You're a fuckin' programmer named Christine Gontara. You fucked up. She sucked my cock, fell in love, and she was locked in. She's gonna get her second chance to suck my cock again. If she turns me down, she's gonna go straight to hell, she won't pass go, she'll never fuckin' win. She's the cunt that thought she was God, but that's OK, I don't give a shit. As long as she sucks me off when I tell her. 'Cause she's my zombie. I captured that mother fucker, and she's my cassette. I want that cock sucker to send me at least fifty-thousand fuckin' dollars. If she can't do it I'll try ten. If she can't do that, I'll try five, but that's it. If you got a dowry of five thousand dollars, come out here and suck me off, do what I tell you from now on, then you can join me for eternal tim
It could be worse...
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
01:18:35 PM
It's not like Massa confessed to playing Starfleet Battles. I had a roomate back in college who unwittingly agreed to play this so-called game with a friend,I went out at around 6 p.m. when they were setting the game up and filling out the stats for their ships or something. When I returned, sometime around 1 a.m. they had just finished the stats, and were playing the first round. My roomate looked at me with an expression of pure misery, and proceeded to roll the 50 dice(no exxageration there) he was holding. Then he went back to recording it on his stat sheet. Filling out paperwork on your free time=not fun.
And Now It's Time to Play
by Aquatarkusman
Feb 28th, 2008
01:19:39 PM
"Geek, Dweeb or Spazz?" 4th Edition
indeed chrth, I have not.
by Gabba-UK
Feb 28th, 2008
01:21:04 PM
but dammit I'm a curious kind of fella so will endevour to do so at the earliest opportunity. And I want to make it clear I'm not dissing D & D and its players 'cos God knows I'm a major nerd but have to draw the line at something.
...has made me reminisce
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:22:54 PM
[Raleigh:] You went for line drawings and you fucked up you fuckin' idiot. You brain-washed yourself you mother fuckin' stupid cock suckers, because you never studied your Holy Homework. That's two capital H's there, all the rest are lower case in any fuckin' case. Supreme Court, you are not the fucking Supreme Court of anything, except Hell! For the next ten thousand years you will shovel your shit and eat it, because your on repeat mother fucker. It just started backwards and you can't do a fuckin' thing about it. The public are gonna take back every fuckin' thing that you took away from them you mother fucker. [Security Guard:] Raleigh. [Raleigh:] Yes. [Guard:] This is the deal. [Raleigh:] Yes, what is the deal? [Guard:] You either cool it down right now... [Raleigh:] Or your gonna fuckin die! [Guard:] ...your outta here. [Raleigh:] Oh, your gonna put me out? Well I ain't leavin' mother fucker. Now what are you gonna do, what are you gonna do to this little kid? Eh? [Guard:] Your gonna go to the psyche ward. [Raleigh:] Well good, that's where I wanna go. [Guard:] Yea, your gonna be right there. So you better cool it down. You better cool it down right now, I don't want to hear anything else out of this room or you are gonna go to the psyche ward. This is your last opportunity. [Raleigh:] Yea, OK, get it. Let's go. [Guard:] Shut your fuckin' mouth. [Raleigh:] all right . [Guard:] And don't make anymore waves in the house. Otherwise you'r going to the psyche ward. [Raleigh:] Well, thats exactly what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go to the psyke ward and so I'm gonna shoot my fuckin' mouth off, so get out of here. Your cutting into my commercial. [Guard:] You understand? [Raleigh:] I'm making a fuckin' commercial, I'm a businessman! Get out of here! Your trying to get in on this fuckin' thing, you ain't no star asshole, your just a fuckin' errand boy. [Guard:] Your the craziest son of a bitch I ever... [Raleigh:] Exactly...I'm an American! [Guard:] This is the last warning Raleigh. [Raleigh:] Good, Shut Up! [background laughter] [Guard:] Anymore out of you and your going to the psyche ward. [Raleigh:] See, you lie. You don't eat your feedback. [Guard:] You need to understand that, as long as you understand that, that's the rules Raleigh. [Raleigh:]Whoever comes in this fuckin' room, I'm gonna fuckin' kill em! That's what I gonna do. [Guard:] Oh are ya? I'm in your room Raleigh. [Raleigh:] Well you've come in against...this is my room. [Guard:] I'm in your room, I'm in you room, I'm in your room. [Raleigh:] Back out, back out, back out. Words don't bother me man, actions do. [Guard:] Let's do it, go for it dude. [Raleigh:] Well if you come at me your gonna fuckin' die! [Guard:] Go for it. [Raleigh:] I ain't going for nothing, you fuckin' reach for me and I'm gonna take your arm off. [Guard:] Come on. Come on! [Raleigh:] I ain't comin, you come. [Guard:] Cool it Raleigh. You understand that? You got it? Either you cool it or your out of here, that's the only choice you have. [Raleigh:] Try it. [Guard:] Your gone dude. [Raleigh:] Who's gonna enforce it? Call the cops mutherfucker! Call the cops. [Guard:] You got witnesses right now? [Raleigh:] No witnesses, call the fucking cops! I'll call the fuckin' cops on you, you cocksucker, right now. [Guard:] Good. [Raleigh:] 911 - Just like that, and you will never get out of this. [Guard:] Good. Come on. [Raleigh:] I would like an emergency call please, there's a psychopathic trying to kill me in my fuckin' room, now get them cops over here to 1-2-3-O-9 Ventura Street please. He is standing in my door, I told him to get out of here, and he tells me he's gonna put me in the psycho-tank, for making my production here. Which is a science fiction magazine! And he's trying to scare me 'cause he thinks he's big, but he's just a big pile of shit! 'Cause I'll splatter him all over the fuckin' wall. I hope you record all that. That's a pre-programming for the police department! And send 'em over here, 'cause I'm about to kill him in two seconds. Now get 'em over here as fast as you can please. I hope your recording this.
Bill Brasky
by Reel American Hero
Feb 28th, 2008
01:23:02 PM
It's the lyrics to the song D And D by Steven Lynch. It's even better when you hear the song as opposed to just the lyrics.
...on Raliegh Theodore Sakers...
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:24:24 PM
You guys don't know what love is. You don't know what love is. Until you've learned the meaning of the blues. Until you had a love you had to lose. You don't know what love is. Let's see. What's happening? The sacks are filling up again here yeah. Well we can stop that thing ya know any fuckin' time we want, let's do it.
Lynch is awesome.
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
01:24:43 PM
All this d and d talk brings back memories of that faux music video where the dude is talking about wanting to make it with unicorns.
my friends cousins play LARP
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
01:28:34 PM
I don't think it gets any worse than that. If you LARP you might as well cut your dick off and use it as a sword, because you wont use it otherwise. I have no problem with D&D, I never played it but played other types of paper/pencil RPG's and Magic, but I must confess I stopped that once I was able to drive
Kloipy, you watch Darkon yet?
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
01:30:04 PM
I recall us discussing this briefly in another talkback. And as for roleplaying, Gamerz was a pretty amusing movie. And who can forget the afterschool special against the evil of rpgs that was Mazes and Monsters.
Jonah, I haven't Netflix has it on a 'short wait'
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
01:32:49 PM
I'm still waiting for it to come.
Crap
by Jotham
Feb 28th, 2008
01:34:48 PM
I guess I'll have to sell some books because there's no way I can drop another $80 for a basic D&D set. I appreciate the upgrade, but the $$ is going be hard to come by.
Kloipy...Ikea much? Sounds like my couch.
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:35:26 PM
Dude, reference the earlier part of this talkback for the brief discussion on LARP. Although I didn't mention it by its acronym, I wanted to show the sheer geekiness that RPG/LARP is. Type "Lighting Bolt!!!" into YouTube and watch this pathetic movie. I hope it doesn’t offend you...er...I mean your "Friend's Cousin."
I MISS MY D&D DAYS!!!!!
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
01:36:54 PM
My friends and I would spend hours on end playing 2nd Edition AD&D. Hours and hours on end. We tried to get together once a month when 3rd edition came out but could never find the time. But what a great game it is. I just can't find the place and time to do it anymore. I guess a wife, house, kids and a real job will do that. But I still have a strong urge to get my geek on. Alas....
I know it sucks for those who invested in 3.5
by chrth
Feb 28th, 2008
01:39:58 PM
But I'm glad 4 is coming; I looked at a couple of the 3.5 books, and I couldn't believe how nitpicky some of the rules were. Of course, by the time Bizarro ChrTh is old enough to play they'll probably be on version 5, but hopefully that won't be a return to the "slide-rule and a Cray" requirements of 3.5.
I too liked the line 'wife never felt comfortable with it'
by Gabba-UK
Feb 28th, 2008
01:42:25 PM
but never imagined I'd hear it in the context of D&D. More in the context of discussion about the pros and cons of anal sex.
Bill
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
01:42:43 PM
as for my username, I made it up about 14 years ago and it just kinda stuck. As for the video, I'm blocked at work from youtube. But I'll check it out when I get home. If i actually did LARP I don't think i would have gotten married because I'd still be afraid of 'she-creatures'
Kloipy
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:44:36 PM
Thank god you didn't come back with flame. I hit post talkback and then realized that I may have come over a bit harsh. You are rare here at AICN. Someone who can joke and not be offended.
Lube.
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:45:19 PM
The ladies love it.
Ha, it's cool man
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
01:46:51 PM
if you can't laugh at yourself or take a joke, the TB's are not the place to be. I may not LARP, but I still am a geek
Please read:
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:48:17 PM
AHMADABAD, India — A newborn baby girl fell through the toilet in a moving train and onto the tracks moments after her mother prematurely gave birth, surviving nearly two hours before being found, relatives said Thursday. The child's mother, who uses the single name Bhuri, was traveling with relatives on an overnight train when she went to the bathroom shortly before midnight Tuesday and unexpectedly gave birth to a baby girl, said Arjun Kumar, her brother-in-law. "Later, she fell unconscious and the baby fell through the toilet," he continued. "Two stations later, we knocked at the door." Bhuri opened the door, soaked in blood. "When we asked her about what happened, she said the baby had fallen through onto the tracks," Kumar said. Toilets on Indian trains usually have holes that open directly onto the tracks, and there were no indications Thursday that authorities doubted Bhuri's story or planned to investigate the incident. Kumar said that after finding Bhuri, relatives pulled the train's emergency brake and told railway officials what had happened. A search was quickly organized, and guards at one of the stations the train had passed soon found the baby. "She was on the rail track for almost 1 1/2 to two hours," said Dr. Gautam Jain, a pediatrician at Rajasthan Hospital in Ahmadabad, in the western state of Gujarat, where the baby and mother were taken. The child, who has not yet been named, was eight to 10 weeks premature and weighed only 3.22 pounds, Jain said. She had a low heart rate and body temperature. "We do not expect such children to survive," Jain said.
Holy.Fucking.Shit.
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
01:48:51 PM
sorry.
and yes I know "Friend's Cousin" does sound
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
01:49:44 PM
kind of suspicious. It's like "Yeah um my brother's half twin step-child's niece's friend, with down-syndrome's pet frog, Bully's feed tray once saw a booby"
Holy shit, Brasky
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
01:52:43 PM
that's a crazy story. Did you see last year when those people tried to kill their kid by tying it inside a trashbag to a log and throwing it out in the river. And then people found the bag and the kid was still alive?
HUH?!?!?
by screamster101
Feb 28th, 2008
01:53:14 PM
Wow. You still play D & D? Umm... can;t you just sign up for a Everquest account or something?
VERY FUNNY STORY
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
01:54:01 PM
OT this day, I call a "regular die" a "six-sided die." I was at a party and someone wanted to play a drinking game or whatever. I asked if they had six-sided dice. A friend caught me and asked, "What do you mean? As apposed to what other kind of dice?" I was outed as a dork. Very funny.
Yes...!
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:00:17 PM
I heard about that! And I also heard BilboRing's story! BilboRing, that is some funny shit! That is some shit that should be in a movie!
What a nerd!
by Zardoz
Feb 28th, 2008
02:01:24 PM
Ouch! D&D? People still play this game? Sorry. I must not judge too harshly. Enjoy, Massa, enjoy...
Massawyrm, complicated/complex?
by digitalcos
Feb 28th, 2008
02:01:26 PM
I could be wrong, but as I read your review I get the impression you're often using the word "complicated" when I think you intend to mean "complex". I'm not trying to be nitpicky. I just want to be clear on your meaning. The two words have very distinct connotations.
Massawyrm has chosen 4E and Here's Why...
by Stupendous Man
Feb 28th, 2008
02:04:18 PM
hehe...well... read the article dumbaSSes
Nice to see some D&D love
by Judge Dreadful
Feb 28th, 2008
02:05:51 PM
I got back into it several years ago and haven't looked back. I'm enjoying the simplicity of Castles & Crusades, though. I'll surely check out 4e, too. Oh, I am a dorky man.
looking forward to the lightning bolt video..
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:07:48 PM
As I mentioned in a talkback a few weeks ago regarding Darkon, we attended a screening at Maryland Institute of Art and all the LARPers from the movie were there. Perhaps not all people who do this are deluded, unwashed geeks without a social context, but tell that to the guy wearing the short kilt next to me. Pity the staff that had to hose down the theater afterwards.
Jonah, you know what would have been even better
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
02:09:48 PM
if they had set up a Pit Beef stand in the theater
This is a "TOP STORY" at AICN?!?!
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
02:10:44 PM
D&D?Fuck.....play KULT.Nothing better then blasting away an Cenobite with your Colt Car-15!
It is odd that you mention the pit beef..
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:12:24 PM
The main "underdog" LARPer(you will know who I mean when you watch the movie) invites the entire LARPing cast and the entire audience over to his house for a big impromptu barbecue. He references that this will come as a surprise to his wife(who was sitting mercifully out of viewing sight. During the film, it keeps being made apparent this guy puts the LARPing above his family much to his wife's constant disdain. Seeing him actually back this behavior up in person was too much.
that's horrible!
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
02:13:49 PM
I bet she's got some guy doin' her on the side. She's earned the right to an affair with an asshole like that as her husband
I should have specified...
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:13:50 PM
invites everyone over at the end of the screening. Im sure the neighbors were thrilled by that. Middle of May and then you smell funions, sweat and grilling vienna sausages..and then the screaming starts.
I have no idea what any of that was about...
by Tourist
Feb 28th, 2008
02:14:05 PM
...Geek code.
Ok, going stale...
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:14:17 PM
Not enough gamers going defensive crazy.
Wait a tic...
by SebastianHaff
Feb 28th, 2008
02:16:55 PM
Massa plays D&D???
Bill, to kind of quote the Smashing Pumpkins
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
02:17:28 PM
They only come out at night
They only come out at night
The Days are much to bri-i-ight
They only come out at night
Jonah
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
02:17:58 PM
if I lived beside them I would set up bear traps all over my property
Kloipy & Jonah
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:19:12 PM
You justify my ealier comments by your sentiments. I was simply trying to express that if you are married to a respectable women who actully likes to dress nicely and shop for purses, then you will have to go 'closeted' with your geekiness. Sexy women who are worth a damn don't put up with comics, video games, RPGs and especially LARPs. Now, geeks, go fuck your wives or the meat-head bouncer that lives up the street will do it for you.
FUCK YOU BILL BRASKY!!!! I AM GOING LIGHTNING BOLT....
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
02:19:46 PM

D-20/D-8/D-4 on YOUR SORRY ASS!

YOU FUCKING TROLL!!!!!

;-)

Smells funny ...
by Metrolang
Feb 28th, 2008
02:22:18 PM
Massawyrm, you are one of my favorites to read on here but this whole thing reeks. It smells like WotC has giving AICN a nice chunk of change and some free swag for a nice review. It reminds me of Harry's review for Cloverfield where JJ Abrams must've given that fat bastard a sweet hand job in exchange for a sweet review. What was wrong with 3.5? I don't think people get table-top RPGs at all. Or maybe i've been playing them wrong all my life. The rules are guidlines people. Guidelines. They are not to be enforced at the cost of fun. Read the DMs guide, it says it there many times that rules are optional. All rules. D & D and most other RPGs are what you make of it so if you don't have fun or you think it is too stuffy and rules heavy then it is your own fault. I've been playing 3.5 for a few years now with a group that loves it and gets upset when a session is cancelled and it is not because 3.5 is some genius game, it is because we have a fuck-load of fun playing it. If you are a rules obsessed sissy then you wont have fun with any RPG and should stick to video games. If you can't cast a spell because the rules don't apply but the logic of your campaign does and the players don't see a problem then cast your spell. Is the book going to warn some rules police? Is the game going to crash? Ever heard of cheat codes in video games? Well the DM and players in an table-top RPG are the cheat codes and you can manipulate the game in any way so that YOU can have as much fun as YOU want. This review reminded me of many players who would sit in our sessions and complain that we didn't follow the rules of encumberance. If the rule interrupts the fun then fuck encumberance and fuck the rule. Your whole whole statement about characters sitting around doing nothing because they are out of spells or what not is a sign to me that your DM sucks and can't properly control the game and keep all players interested and with something to do. The group I played with now was confused at first because I stressed that they did not have to build a party. One guy did not have to feel forced to make the cleric just because we needed a cleric. I said for them to make the characters that they want to play and i'll take care of the rest. I'll figure out how to give them things to accomplish. That IS the job of the DM. That is the point of NPCs. That is part of what D & D is about, creating a world for characters to exist in that feels natural. I think WotC created 4E just to make it easier for the dummies and because they realized 3.5 had run its course and all the rich kids that could actually afford the billions of books already bought them so it was time to give them something new to waste money on. WotC has to create a new verion of D & D every so often because they don't know who to sell it to any more so their only option is to keep siphoning money out of the diehards who have loved D & D for decades now. They don't create anything fresh or innovative because there is no need to. It is like EA actually putting some effort into Madden; why should they bother? They know the diehards will keep coming back for more without question or complaint.
My girlfriend JUST got me to play D&D
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Feb 28th, 2008
02:22:19 PM
And she demands that we play version 3.0. She doesn't like 3.5. I was initially hesitant. I'm a geek, true. But not one of THOSE geeks...or so I thought. I'm really digging D&D though. She's dungeon master and she comes up with pretty clever quests and does funny voices (7 years of vocal training helps). I only started because I forced her to watch all of Todd Solondz's movies with me, but now, I think I'll keep playing.
I cast
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:22:57 PM
the spell of 'ultimate protection from evil' good versus neutral/evil/chaotic characters for up to 40hp of damage; blunt/melee weapons only.
that's why I keep my geek spurts to a minimum
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
02:23:43 PM
so my wife doesn't get scared off. I understand how she feels, because I sure as hell don't give a damn about Sex and the City. She can talk about that with her friends, I can talk Dark Tower with mine
no thanks
by macgruder
Feb 28th, 2008
02:24:29 PM
I played D&D for about a year with some friends in a dingy basement back in high school. The Dungeon Master was some dude who was like 10 years older than us, living with his parents. He got mad when we made jokes, used a horrible british accent when he spoke in character and wore a single weightlifting glove. That experience turned me off of dungeons and dragons forever. As much as people love it and say this version is better, I have no desire to roll a 20 sided die again in my life. But if other people want to enjoy it, more power to them, I wont make fun of them for playing, I just hope they dont have a middle aged tyrant telling them their destiny over a bag of stale cheetos and misery.
Kloipy & Jonah my GF is a hot geek
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Feb 28th, 2008
02:24:41 PM
so, they do exist. Ironically, I'm an entirely different type of geek than her. But I'm trying to expand.
oppps RE: Bill Brasky
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Feb 28th, 2008
02:25:38 PM
read my post above.
Nyerd, indeed....Nyerd... indeed.
by www.valiens.com
Feb 28th, 2008
02:26:24 PM
Dungeons & Dragons. Wow. I feel like I'm going to get beaten up just for having read this.
Roger...
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:26:36 PM
tracking on that 'Sex in (and?) the City' shit. But you know what I mean? That type of girl may hate our inner-geek, but she shaves her legs and wears thong underwear. C'mon man! Did you see the Star Wars chick in the American Idol try-outs? That is what I picture whenever I read about playing D&D with the wife. Jesus.
macgruder
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:28:20 PM
Oh man, the single weightlifting glove reference. I am literally done for the day. No More!!!! You just 'leveled-up' my friend!
Bill Brasky,my Girlfriend loves shopping and....
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
02:29:12 PM
going to clubs and buying purses and shoes.AND she likes pen and paper RPG`s,just like some other cool ladies I know.But I live in Germany and we have no "Geek" shit going on here,RPG`s are respected like the most other Hobbies.
shit man, i just wasted the last two hours of my
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:29:13 PM
life.
Your girlfriend plays?
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
02:29:42 PM
That's cool but I could never play in front of my wife. I would be so embarassed. Mostly because I am such a dick when I play. And I feel like a total dork...which I am. I remember when me and my friends tried to get back into playing when 3rd edition came out. We were playing in my buddies dining room and one of the housemates came strolling in. I was mortified. He was like "Hey what're you guys going?" Thinking we were playing cards or something like that. It was humiliating b/c my friends and I don't "look" like dorks. And we tried so hard to keep it secret. But I was married and we had full time jobs and all. So we never found the time to keep it going.
s0nicdeathmonkey
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
02:29:53 PM
I know what you are saying my friend. Like women geek about fashion and shit. But even if I did play D&D I probably would never tell my wife. SOme things just should be kept secret
The wife and not being too geeky
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:33:33 PM
I agree it's possible to find hot geeks, Im sure. In my case my wife has come over to the movie geek side, but anything that looks like it even relates to the more obsessive stuff and she is OUT and usually the leader of the pack pointing the nerd finger at me(in a loving way of course.) The dude in the Darkon movie looked like he had a wife that was trying to support him and encourage him in his goals, but it must be hard when his goal was to be the leader of a country that doesnt even exist, whose governing will be decided by a battle with foam swords in a cow field somewhere.
Jonah Echo
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
02:36:41 PM
I also got my wife into watching geek movies. That's all I can ask of her. SHe knows my geeky past and geek tendencies but would never go down the more "obsessive and dedicated" path. And I don't think I would want that. Geek Husband + Geek Wife = Fatness, Weird Smells, and Lots of Cats. LOL!
I know some LARP dudes and they are not "cool"....
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
02:37:52 PM

but to each their own.

Stop throwing ping-pong balls at me dammit!

Bah... Bring back KEEP ON THEBOARDER LANDS
by RenoNevada2000
Feb 28th, 2008
02:38:22 PM
Original Blue Box rules or nothing! I'm so retro!
Yea, the wierd thing about the LARPers
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:41:05 PM
at least the ones at the Darkon screening, is that they seemed like genuinely nasty, elitist people while at the same time being social misfits. Also, Im not labeling them misfits because they do the LARPing. If you want to dress up like a viking and spend your weekends using a giant duct-taped styrofoam mallet to smash a grown man dressed as a wood nymph in the nards, go ahead. But don't pretend to be so high above and set apart from everyone else because you do.
I Could Never do LARP
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
02:41:36 PM
I think they would kick me out or kill me because I could not stop laughing.
Bilbo
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:42:13 PM
See Darkon. It will haunt you.
Geek Husband + Geek Wife = Fatness, Weird Smells, and Lots of Ca
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
02:44:07 PM
Absolutely perfect. You expressed in ten words what I have just tried to do in two hours + numerous posts. Excelsior!...er...Good job.
Darkon huh?
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
02:44:17 PM
I'll put it in my Netflix que. I know those people take things very seriously. That's why I would get killed. And from the websites I have seen, I would pass out from laughter.
In my world, hitpoints were awarded for...
by Kentucky Colonel
Feb 28th, 2008
02:45:19 PM
how long you could hold in the bong smoke. Back in the day, y'know.
LOL
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
02:46:32 PM
This is some funny shit today. I already sent my friends an e-mail about 4th Edition to try and stir their inner geek souls. Pathetic. Just thinking of some of the dumb things my friends would do while we played keeps me laughing. Just terrible ideas that would get themselves killed. Great fun.
Look up the darkon trailer on youtube
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:48:31 PM
One of my favorite scenes was one of the nerdiest kids saying something along the lines of the following: "I am not in a relationship in the real world. In the world of Darkon, I am in the process of pursuing a relationship of sorts. There is another individual whom I have gone on many adventures with. I have died for her many times. I can't say for sure, but I am positive that after enough time, she will consent to our pairing."
Wait a second...
by -guyinthebackrow
Feb 28th, 2008
02:51:27 PM
So, you can still actually go into a store and buy DUNGEONS & DRAGONS? Really? I never played, so I apologize for not knowning, but does it come in a box like a board-game? Massa, are you talking about a video-game? Or an actual board-game?
PLANT!!!
by JimmyandtheTermites
Feb 28th, 2008
02:53:59 PM
Kidding. This is the first positive thing I've heard from a player about 4E, but it's also the first thing I've read from someone who has actually played the game. It gives me, an in-the-closet D&D player, something to look forward to after all.
Cool article. Funny geeky. Haven't LARP'd since 2002
by George Newman
Feb 28th, 2008
02:54:14 PM
One of my roommates currently plays a lot of 40k stuff and other miniature games. All this discussion of dice has really put an itch in me to play again.
So George..
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
02:56:01 PM
What was your experience with larping? Genuinely curious, not looking to make fun of you. I just don't can't get the mindset.
Guyinthebackrow: D&D is just a bunch of books
by George Newman
Feb 28th, 2008
02:57:30 PM
with some dice and maybe some maps
"she will consent to our pairing.".......
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
02:58:36 PM
gold!
Bill Brasky = hard up
by AstroCat
Feb 28th, 2008
02:58:37 PM
Dude your life must suck. My wife is super hot, playes games and is totally cool. And, get ready for this shit, I know other chics in the gaming industry who are super hot and geek out as well. Man, it must suck being with some tight ass, super lame, wanna be hot wife... or even worse no chic at all. You must really suffer... oh well... so sad. :)
I played RIFTS and some Samurai-type game
by George Newman
Feb 28th, 2008
02:59:35 PM
RIFTS is future technology stuff, with different options like on-foot laser gun stuff, or big Mech stuff

The Samurai thing was called the 6 Rings or something like that.

Travis
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:00:57 PM
You will have to excuse me if those arent the actual words, but if they arent they are close. I saw the movie back in the summer of 2006 at the Maryland Film Festival and I wasnt interested enough to see it twice. Once though, is a sadly illuminating experience.
Chill Out AstroCat
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
03:01:18 PM
Before someone pulls out a wand and shoots you with a cone of cold. Happens every day.
Was this played outdoors or what not..
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:02:06 PM
with imaginary boundaries, and character names and what? In Darkon people showed up wearing full goblin makeup and colored contact lenses and fake teeth.
played indoors with books and dice
by George Newman
Feb 28th, 2008
03:06:32 PM
we never bought any costuming or props.
Astrocat
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
03:06:51 PM
Seriously dude, I am sorry. I hope that I didn't offend your superhot RPG half-elf wife, played by Stan, the balding, overweight Super from across the way. Geek.
Jonah Echo:I just saw the "DARKON" trailer at stage6...
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
03:07:02 PM

"Everybody wants to be a hero!"

more gold!

Thanks for the tip Jonah!

Oh, and you are a
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
03:07:27 PM
Liar.
Bill Brasky
by AstroCat
Feb 28th, 2008
03:09:23 PM
Hahaha... :) I am just got a couple free moments at work and I wanted to join in too! :) Haha... but really you are so wrong. But that's ok, I know what I got going on and its good. :)
No lies here pal...
by AstroCat
Feb 28th, 2008
03:10:44 PM
...seriously dude, you need to get out more often. :)
Surprised that nobody posted this here...
by cornloaf
Feb 28th, 2008
03:11:20 PM
bloodninja: Baby, I been havin a tough night so treat me nice aight? BritneySpears14: Aight. bloodninja: Slip out of those pants baby, yeah. BritneySpears14: I slip out of my pants, just for you, bloodninja. bloodninja: Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat. BritneySpears14: Oh, I like to play dress up. bloodninja: Me too baby. BritneySpears14: I kiss you softly on your chest. bloodninja: I cast Lvl. 3 Eroticism. You turn into a real beautiful woman. BritneySpears14: Hey... bloodninja: I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 Cock of the Infinite. BritneySpears14: Funny I still don't see it. bloodninja: I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty F*ck of the Beyondness. BritneySpears14: You are the worst cyber partner ever. This is ridiculous. bloodninja: Don't f*ck with me bitch, I'm the mightiest sorcerer of the lands. bloodninja: I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl. 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl. 2 Druid. BritneySpears14: Don't ever message me again you piece of ****. bloodninja: Robots are trying to drill my brain but my lightning shield inflicts DOA attack, leaving the robots as flaming piles of metal. bloodninja: King Arthur congratulates me for destroying Dr. Robotnik's evil army of Robot Socialist Republics. The cold war ends. Reagan steals my accomplishments and makes like it was cause of him. bloodninja: You still there baby? I think it's getting hard now. bloodninja: Baby?
I miss the magazines...
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
03:11:44 PM
Dungeon magazine and Dragon magazine were awesome. They had cool supplements for the game as well as fiction and great art. The best fantasy/sci-fi artists in the world were featured there and in a tangible, affordable format. In the later years, the quality of the content improved so much that it became a competitor against the expensive published supplement books...so WOTC killed the contract and ruined two great publications.

So, thanks for that WOTC...

Now, they laughingly try to have similar content online, but it comes out slower and more disorganized than they print issues...and soon they are going to make people pay for online content...

So, screw that. I hope the game is good, but something tells me the days of D&D are almost over...

George
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:11:50 PM
Yea, I think that you are referring to regular RPG game playing. LARPing is Live Action Role Playing which specifically means showing up in character with weapons(fake) and staging fantasy quests and massive battles in character. Im talking one guy role playing as king actually bossing around other players whose apparent fantasy it is to let the manager of the taco bell, now in fantasy guise, order them around. "Now Grok, the half-orc, clean out the sour cream gun with a spoon."
and Jonah
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
03:12:14 PM
you are right about those "genuinely nasty, elitist people." I think that most levels of Geekdom have them though. You can find them at Comic Book shops, debating the pros & cons of Tony Stark and his 'Registration' or at any kind of 'Con.' The worst are the paint-ballers. Dude, they think that they are the shit, hiding behind their blow-up obstacles, firing with both fingers and laughing at you because you are there with a bunch of guys from work. Very lame, very elitist.
Oh, and speaking of it being 1984 again...
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
03:12:52 PM
Did you hear Universal is going to make a sequel to The Last Starfighter?

by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
03:14:10 PM
no way
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
03:14:26 PM
Bill
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:15:27 PM
You are right. I guess in this instance I was so aware of the diff perspective makes. Most of us who were there, were film geeks wanting to see documentary about goofy people and probably felt superior to and sad for the LARPers. It was odd to realize they were sitting there feeling sad we arent creative enough or brave enough or who knows, "special" enough to have discovered the world of larping.
Way....
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
03:15:39 PM
Fuck all the haters!
by Sir Not
Feb 28th, 2008
03:16:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch? I'm looking forward to this. I'm not a fan of 3.5, but I'm willing to give 4.0 a shot. v=ZxxPLDZnqwA
Hes right
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:16:48 PM
about the starfighter thing. It is even supposed it might be about the son of the first starfighter. Me, Ill believe when Im sitting in a theater watching it.
Jonah, you should have called them out
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:17:44 PM
just so we could see on CNN a bunch of overweight nerds dressed up like elves with cardboard swords chasing you down the street. Because even if you ran away, you still win because you aren't them
It had better be in a theater...
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
03:18:36 PM
I want to see Catherine Mary Stewart 40 feet tall....yum...
LAST STARFIGHTER...
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
03:19:46 PM
I hear that Nick Castle and Lance guest are coming back for the sequel movie...how are they going to handle the death of Robert Preston and Dan O'Herlihey?
One guy got ticked
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:20:15 PM
because one of my friends actually kicked his mace(not the spray) because he had it stowed it under the seat.
hahahaha! that's hilarious
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:21:47 PM
"Not my mace! I spent hours making this with glue and glitter and now it's ruined!"
Bones
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:22:32 PM
Im sure they can just create new characters, and give past references. Again, it would be wierd to see a sequel. While we are at remaking the entire 1980s,can I please get a Dreamscape 2 and Cat's Eye:Revenge of the Wall Troll?
Cat's Eye:Revenge of the Wall Troll
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:23:40 PM
hell ya man! That troll was cool
They are doing a new Creepshow
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:24:39 PM
with Stephen King and Romero at the helm so I can rejoice once again after the shit storm of Creepsow 3(INO)
quote of the day.
by Bill Brasky
Feb 28th, 2008
03:24:49 PM
..."even if you ran away, you still win because you aren't them"
In fact..
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:25:57 PM
lets just have a movie of all the second-tier horror movie villains. Wall troll, Snakeman from dreamscape, the cellar dwellar, raw head rex and that creepy ass ventriliquist dummy from Making Contact. And the trollocs in the Pit. If you recognize that one, God help you.
Still Read D&D Novels
by BilboRing
Feb 28th, 2008
03:25:58 PM
I still read the D&D Novels (Frgotten Realms) to quell the geek inside me. SO that's not so bad. At least I have that. I won't buy a video game b/c I know I would get a divorce from playing it too much.
And the LARP equipment is fucking expensive too.....
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
03:28:04 PM
I know a dude who paid around 1500€ for his gear and weapon!I stick to my pen and paper shit.
the cellar dwellar
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:28:14 PM
HAHAHAHAHA that's great. Love it
New Line
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:29:23 PM
cant say Im surprised
"Cat's Eye:Revenge of the Wall Troll!"
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
03:30:18 PM
Bravo Jonah!And Bring back James Woods.
1500? now I feel bad that we stepped on it..
by Jonah Echo
Feb 28th, 2008
03:31:25 PM
Jonah, you should have tricked those assholes
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:35:21 PM
into going into an airport. That would be hilarious
If you google for some LARP gear,you will see....
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
03:36:45 PM
some expensive shit!Like some "Chainarmor" for 400+€ and shit.
one thing I need to see before I die
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:39:08 PM
a LARP funeral. CAn you imagine? Do they keep it 'real' or do they make the coffin out of cardboard too?
I used to LARP back in the day
by Reel American Hero
Feb 28th, 2008
03:41:32 PM
Some friends I met at a goth club got me into it. Was called Amtgard, there wasn't too much of the ubergeekness on display at the events I went to. The highlights of these things were the big events that the various groups got together at a few times a year. There wasn't too much character stuff going on, just names and costumes, some more elaborate then others. Did mock combat stuff in the day, and then partied all night. Never drank mead before I attended one of these things, was pretty good stuff. The whole thing was pretty fun as long as you don't take it too seriously.
Kloipy,they have ceremonys,like "crowning" a King....
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
03:43:15 PM
and people getting married and stuff!But here in Germany they are lucky because we have real castles which they can rent for a weekend!So it has some "real" feel to it!
Travis, in america
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:44:57 PM
the just rent out a rollerskating rink as their 'fortress'
To: KETTLE From: POT Re: Your colour.
by JackBauer24
Feb 28th, 2008
03:45:07 PM
It's black!
on a LARP honeymoon
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:46:35 PM
does the guy still come out with the bloody rags and announce to the world that his woman is no longer a girl?
about New Line...
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
03:50:55 PM
Could this possibly be true?

Will Time-Warner settle with the Tolkien estate and get the damn Hobbit ball rolling?

"rollerskating rink as their 'fortress'"!hehe....
by travis-dane
Feb 28th, 2008
03:51:35 PM
Kloipy.....funky!
only problem about the skating rink is
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:53:53 PM
when they play Montel Jorden's 'This is How We Do It" it breaks their atmosphere
see ya guys
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
03:54:29 PM
My gonads shrank five sizes while reading this
by Lone_Wolf_McQuaalude
Feb 28th, 2008
03:58:15 PM
Massa,
by Archive
Feb 28th, 2008
04:04:30 PM
Boy, I skipped 3rd Ed altogether. Just plain skipped. I had my 2nd Ed on CD Rom, and I was designing an original system of play, and just didn't have the time to get into a new D&D. This has me totally excited. What's with this online thing? Do I need actual hardcopy? Now that the chips are on the table, if you've ever wondered why my name is Archive, check out Restoration at www.8sidedinteractive.com. One day, all will tremble the sound of that name. For now, I bide my time...
I'm going to regret posting...
by Toonol
Feb 28th, 2008
04:11:46 PM
...but this thread is just so annoying...

First off, calling someone a geek or a nerd is mainly a sign that you're stuck in the '80s. That stigma is pretty much gone... in fact, geek is used as much as a self-descriptor as anything else.

I don't play D&D, haven't in a decade or two. Neither does my girlfriend. She and I would be willing, though; she's the same sort of hot geek girlfriend that many of you don't seem to believe exists (sad for you).

Also: I'm pretty sure 95% of the people who have played D&D have never, ever, dressed up as a wizard or warrior.

Also: Playing a role-playing game around the kitchen table is a far more social event than playing something like World of Warcraft would ever be. Why not characterize WOW players as antisocial rejects?

Thanks for the review, Massi. I'm sure I will never actually buy the books, unless the online stuff they come out with is really cool. But it's good to know they're taking the game in the right direction.

I don't see how this is relevent to this website
by IndustryKiller!
Feb 28th, 2008
04:17:33 PM
It's a website about film, and things that relate thereof. Not really about geek culture in general. BTW Massa you do this EVERY Saturday night?? Jeeeeeez.
Anyone who thinks Wizards of the Coast
by Archive
Feb 28th, 2008
04:17:37 PM
has the cash to bribe reviewers is a mental child. The people who write this stuff are lucky to get paid. Please. And likewise, if you think anyone would find it worthwhile to compromise their journalistic integrity for a book - one that isn't finished, and won't be that expensive when it is... well, you might be in need of remedial education too. Massawyrm is ridiculously excited, and based on this review, I'm all in.
And if you think you have to choose between
by Archive
Feb 28th, 2008
04:19:40 PM
tabletop gaming and sex, then you're not getting any.
Loved reading this.
by Diagnostic
Feb 28th, 2008
04:21:04 PM
Loved how passionately he enjoys the game. Ha Ha Ha. good stuff.
I am just glad my wife will watch BSG.
Is this cool news?
by Archive
Feb 28th, 2008
04:25:30 PM
Yes. Yes it is. And it's exactly the right forum for it. Between this, Iron Man, Hellboy 2, Dark Night, and many more, 2008 is a good year for imagination and flights of fancy in the media. Dude. Dude, oh dude. I have been reduced to monosylables, and I have work to do today! And it's half a year before I get my hands on this! This will be my present to myself, to celebrate the completion of a gaming project I'm working on now. Extra incentive. Dude. This sounds soooooo good.
How much did this Wizards of the Coast cost them at AICN?
by James Westfall
Feb 28th, 2008
04:28:09 PM
The new edition is just a cash grab by Hasbro before they have their subsidiary dump D&D for however much cash they can get. And that's TRUTH.
Cool
by StealthBeagle
Feb 28th, 2008
04:33:27 PM
But let me know when they reboot the James Bond RPG and then I'll really be psyched. Hero points FTW!
Will the last one out
by metaluna
Feb 28th, 2008
04:33:37 PM
...please switch off all the light and lock the door. Sweet Jesus, this is just sad. Sad sad sad.
Never played D&D
by jsm1978
Feb 28th, 2008
04:34:36 PM
Although I have done a few rounds of Shadowrun and Lord of the Rings with some friends. Never got into it too much, but it was interesting. I like telling stories and thinking up characters to fill them, so it was a nice creative outlet.
Oh
by jsm1978
Feb 28th, 2008
04:39:22 PM
and participated in one round of the Star Wars rpg as well, forgot about that one. That one went downhill fast when the gm played on everyone's hatred of Jar Jar to make the people guarding a base all be hired Gungans.
Suck my......
by Loosejerk
Feb 28th, 2008
04:41:47 PM
purple-headed, one-eyed beholder! I SO never got into D&D. WotC can suck it for killing my Star Wars TCG.
D&D? Please. HEROCLIX Is THE Ultimate GeekGame Experience
by LaserPants
Feb 28th, 2008
04:43:08 PM
Seriously, its fucking awesome. So is the Star Wars Miniatures game. The whole role playing thing is wack. Miniatures gaming, on the other hand, is the ne plus ultra of geekery in gaming. Similar to Chess or Risk, but a million times cooler.
I wish...
by Necromunda
Feb 28th, 2008
04:44:04 PM
They would bring back Dark Sun, loved that campaign setting. It was very different to Forgotten Realms, a big desert planet, plus you could play a giant mantis type race.
Re: I don't see how this is relevant...
by Reel American Hero
Feb 28th, 2008
04:56:51 PM
I'm not sure if you're aware but there are columns on this very site that cover comic books and video games. While yes movies are based off of things from both mediums (rather frequently these days) neither of these has a thing to do with movies, so yes I would say the site is about movies, and geek culture in general (just mostly about movies) So the article is relevant.
All this geek infighting
by tk 421
Feb 28th, 2008
04:58:27 PM
makes the baby jeebus cry. Seriously, I haven't seen more instances of the pot calling the kettle black since . . . I dunno, but it's been a long time. I agree, there is something inherently uber-geeky about sitting around a table and rolling dice. But no more geeky than debating comics or movies. Man, can't we all just get along? Just be proud to be a geek and live and let live. Besides, you ever play D&D . . .on weed?
Lamest. AICN Article. Ever.
by Sledge Hammer
Feb 28th, 2008
04:58:30 PM
What's next? Elston Gunn on the hidden joy of Pogs? Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
But can you tell stories with it?
by Dreamfasting
Feb 28th, 2008
05:01:36 PM
I've yet to see anything that would make me want to use it for my game. I don't care about combat - I can go several sessions between actual fights in my game ... what I care about is telling stories, building worlds. What does this version do to help me build my own world, what value does it add to my intellectual property? Even if it never leaves our homes, after 30+ years, there are now a lot of Tolkien-depth worlds now sitting in binders on shelves across the land.
What is this 'dice' of which you speak?
by Billy The Fish
Feb 28th, 2008
05:01:58 PM
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is surely the apex of fantasy gaming. Get yourself a top-end PC, download a few mods and join the 21st Century. Dice? Paper? Little tin men? Are you for real?
LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT!
by Wed Vid Guy
Feb 28th, 2008
05:03:28 PM
Sorry. Couldn't resist. I don't get the whole RPG thing but I'm not going to hate on someone else for spending their time on these things.
INFOCOM
by Chanoc
Feb 28th, 2008
05:04:32 PM
Hey Massa, Will you also be reviewing the newest Infocom text-adventure being released for the Commodore 64? Boy, how I wish that was true.
I'd play Elder Scrolls
by tk 421
Feb 28th, 2008
05:06:24 PM
too if I wouldn't want to shoot myself after hours of looking at pixelated colors on a screen and clicking a mouse button over and over again by myself in my room wearing my underwear and eating hotdogs. But yeah, you're right, at least I wouldn't have to talk to anyone else or roll fucking dice.
You can't really be posting on AICN and *not* be a geek
by kevred
Feb 28th, 2008
05:09:37 PM
And I mean that with love.

It's funny to read all the snide, cooler-than-thou posts here along the lines of, "you guys are all such nerds and losers for liking D&D!"

Message to everyone posting that stuff--you're posting to a comment board on Ain't It Cool News, a geek site, on which you have registered and taken a screen name.

YOU ARE A GEEK AND A NERD.

Accept it and be proud! This is a place to do so without shame. There's nothing wrong at all with enjoying this nerdy kind of stuff. I do. What's pathetic is a nerd trying to be the uptight high-school bully in a geek-approved place like this.

Save us your personal issues, go play your game or watch your movie of choice, and enjoy it!

re: Billy The Fish
by Dreamfasting
Feb 28th, 2008
05:10:01 PM
Sorry, but Oblivion cannot hold a candle to a well designed, well-run tabletop game. Nor can any coder of a MMORPG can keep up with the epic scope a good DM's imagination. There is still magic in pencil and paper where the fate of whole kingdoms can turn on how a die falls.
POGS
by whatyoufear
Feb 28th, 2008
05:13:46 PM
I lost a sweet metal slammer on a rollercoaster back in the day, some random pogs, too.. fuckin A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4UIO2 dAGjgE&feature=related
by be gone
Feb 28th, 2008
05:14:22 PM
carry on
Oblivion
by whatyoufear
Feb 28th, 2008
05:17:00 PM
Games like Oblivion are great for when you don't feel like talking to anyone, and for when you don't want your living room to smell like Taco Bell and sweaty, greasy D&D Kids.
I see the article has moved...
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
05:20:02 PM
From the Top News to the regular news column...

Is it the geek backlash?

Haven't played in many years, but this sounds nice
by kevred
Feb 28th, 2008
05:20:13 PM
What a great-sounding description of the new version. For all who are playing nowadays, I hope it's that fun.

I can't help it, I still like the old-school stuff. For me, the first printing of Unearthed Arcana is too modern. The old system is clunky, but a big part of what kept me from moving on back then is the aesthetics of the books. The photo-realistic, Photoshopped, bland imagery and illustrations that pervade all modern books leave me cold. I know that has nothing to do with the game play itself, but for me it's part of the whole experience.

Give me the Dave Trampier ink illustrations from the original books anyday. That stuff was brilliant, evocative of old myths and storybooks, and so artistic.

But to all those on the new system: excelsior and play on!

AICN World Exclusive!
by Kingdaddy
Feb 28th, 2008
05:26:30 PM
One person on our staff has ACTUALLY HAD A VAGINA SINCE A VAGINA HAD HIM! It appears that...wait, one second...we have breaking news. We were wrong. We're all still virgins. HAVE FUN WITH D&D 4!
this is not cool news
by Stevie Grant
Feb 28th, 2008
05:27:26 PM
let me know when the electronic version comes out
by Staldo
Feb 28th, 2008
05:27:34 PM
I may be a weird freak for this, but does anybody else just love the heck out of the books(to the point of purchasing them), the artwork, the lore and the campaign settings, but has never actually played a D&D game outside the computer versions? That's me. Which was why I was excited when I found out the Eladrin (they're just like elves but more...elfy)are now a core playable race. I might have to sit down with a group of my greasiest, most socially inept friends and play this damn game some time after 4E comes out. I'm serious.
"Ain't It Cool News"
by GodMars
Feb 28th, 2008
05:28:42 PM
I would say, no. BTW, time to wake up from 1980's.
D&D 4th edition...
by Bones
Feb 28th, 2008
05:29:10 PM
The thing I don't like about this game is that the whole pitch to the fans is "Tabletop Gaming without the table"... they want to take the intimate social experience of RPG playing and put it online...which frankly sucks. MMORPGs are chatrooms with battles in them...they mostly suck and don't have any real story to them. Most video games are so focused on the graphics, blood spatter and realistic playable geometry that they don't give us any story worth playing.

The whole point of roleplaying is the social interaction. To unplug from the digital world and play games with people, have fun (and occasionally haggle over the rules), but do it in the presence of real people. As to "gamer funk" and the smell of cheetos... a bath/deoderant requirement was always in effect in any gaming group I used to be in, which were also suprisingly co-ed.

I wonder though, how many people bring laptops to gaming sessions these days?

Stopped playing ummm '87 or so.
by TomBodet
Feb 28th, 2008
05:29:42 PM
ZZZZZZZZ. But man there were some 5 years or so, I had the sickness Jest Like Youse there PogoPope. More power to ya--OOO OOO OOO Popeye has 117 hit points etc etc. Oh well. That's cool.

I'll just add-NEEDS GIANT ROBOTS. Just because.

The second you said...
by Pariah74
Feb 28th, 2008
05:30:29 PM
3.5 encouraged role playing I knew you were full of shit and quit reading. 3rd edition and 3.5 encourage munchkin min-maxing and skill/feat combos. It's a system for 12 year olds. Real role playing never needs new rules because there are no rules. I have hated every D20 game I played and I bet I will hate this one too.
blabla
by Staldo
Feb 28th, 2008
05:41:06 PM
blahblahI liked D&D once in the 80's but now I don't so anybody who likes it reminds me of that painful part of my adolescence so I feel the need to dismiss them and D&D for all eternity blahblahblah...and the karmic wheel of overcompensation continues.
Oh trust me-Baseball Stat-Borg nerds are just as bad.
by TomBodet
Feb 28th, 2008
05:42:05 PM
Go over to the Sons of Sam Horn page or Baseballthinkfactory or whatever, the fights over Pete Browning vs. Bad Bill Dahlen or whatever are just as bad as anything you will see here. Spanning the two gaps myself, I can tell ya--it's a scary sight to see, Both directions.
HULK Screenplay LEAKED Find link here:
by nooneimportant
Feb 28th, 2008
05:46:54 PM
www.1337news.com only ninjas please, don't tell where you got it!
Reel American Hero
by IndustryKiller!
Feb 28th, 2008
05:52:25 PM
But the comic book and videogame articles are part of their own section of AICN and are recurring columns. I didn't know they were starting a table top section of Aint It Cool. Also comic books and videogames are being turned into major tentpole movies with increased frequency, the three entertainment mediums really blend into one another easily. I don't see table top really fitting in there. I mean if you wanna site those things as precedent I suppose I can see that but it still seems a bit out of the blue. I've never seen table top gaming come up in any talkback previously, at least not to any grand extent.
am i the only one finding it rather hypocritical
by Lemming
Feb 28th, 2008
05:54:47 PM
the talkbackers talking the piss out of D&D here? We are all flavours of geek guys, wake the fuck up. Some of us like Chocolate over Vanilla, some of us like the double-scoop special.
They're still calling it "Dungeons and Dragons"?
by KnightShift
Feb 28th, 2008
05:56:45 PM
Seriously, when was the last time ANYONE playing this game went into a DUNGEON? About as many times as the players' characters encounter a *dragon* during their campaign. The name is longstanding false advertisement, folks. It should be retitled "Bushes and Orcs, Fourth Edition".
Chutes and Ladders 5.0!!!!
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 28th, 2008
06:00:36 PM
i'm a self professed geek, but holy shit!

my wife will be glad to hear i only play online games...

Do they have new 20 sided dice?
by christian66
Feb 28th, 2008
06:16:16 PM
Can I still use my old ones?
PogoPope plays D and D!!!!
by TomBodet
Feb 28th, 2008
06:44:23 PM
PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!PogoPope plays D and D!!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist! He eats lemmings too don't he-?

Faaaaaagot
by PickedUp
Feb 28th, 2008
06:53:25 PM
Cmon, let's talk about something important... not gay dragons.
Irony Abounds
by Shoun
Feb 28th, 2008
07:03:56 PM
I love that people who hang around a movie message board waiting for their golden witty moment have the BALLS to make fun of someone for playing D&D. That's awesome.
DORK
by HEADGEEK
Feb 28th, 2008
07:19:31 PM
Dork'n'Dorks
I don't mind people who play D&D
by Kloipy
Feb 28th, 2008
07:26:32 PM