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Bad, bad news.
by Aethyrr
Feb 27th, 2008
10:56:54 AM
But people at AICN seems to be excited about it..?
Megan Gale.
by Pennsy
Feb 27th, 2008
10:59:45 AM
Yowza.
ugh...
by Seth Cohen
Feb 27th, 2008
11:01:46 AM
why does warners hate us?
Oh crap.
by zb.brox
Feb 27th, 2008
11:02:26 AM
This is very, very worrying. Fucking Adam Brody as the fucking Flash...
fourth!
by JeffManSixtyFo
Feb 27th, 2008
11:02:27 AM
Armie Hammer Jr.
by Jonas Grumpy
Feb 27th, 2008
11:02:31 AM
I love his baking soda.
what?!! no Bernie Mac as GL???!!!
by JeffManSixtyFo
Feb 27th, 2008
11:03:07 AM
test tube baby!
Hammer's brothers & sister...
by Jonas Grumpy
Feb 27th, 2008
11:03:33 AM
Navie, Airfors, and Maureen.
Hammer Time!
by Jonas Grumpy
Feb 27th, 2008
11:04:32 AM
Armie was born in 1986?!? Fuck. Just a pipsqueak when Burton's Batflick was released.
FIIIIIIIIIRRRRSSST!!!!!
by Motoko Kusanagi
Feb 27th, 2008
11:05:08 AM
No?
Megan Gale
by Jonas Grumpy
Feb 27th, 2008
11:05:10 AM
Or, as I call her, "Mmmmmmmegan."
Armie Hammer?
by Burgundy82
Feb 27th, 2008
11:05:37 AM
That's almost as much a matricide-inducing moniker as Coco Crisp.
Peter North as Elongated Man
by Jonas Grumpy
Feb 27th, 2008
11:06:18 AM
Girl, you know it's true.
Please stop them. Someone.
by Burgundy82
Feb 27th, 2008
11:08:40 AM
Sounds like a job for the Justice Le-- shit.
OK I actually didn't believe they'd do it....
by D o o d
Feb 27th, 2008
11:10:39 AM
It's a huge risk making this kinda movie. If it doesn't work then I'm pretty sure it will kill all the franchises in one go. Forget Batman, forget Wonder Woman, Flash etc. This could be the Schumaker of all movies...!
I thought Batman and Superman weren't in the movie
by Jor-El23
Feb 27th, 2008
11:14:28 AM
When I heard that I was fine with it. A true JLA origin story with Wonder WOman, Lantern, Flash, Manhunter...I can deal with a young cast in that. although if this Green Lantern movie is going forward with Hal Jordan then why is Common playing John Stewart? seems confusing.
George Millers Got This!
by Quin the Eskimo
Feb 27th, 2008
11:14:29 AM
Calm the hell down people.
Meh...
by Darth Sticky
Feb 27th, 2008
11:16:02 AM
This is simply a reaction from DC/Warner now that Marvel has torn up the silver screen. It's gonna suck. And WTF... What's with dissing Hal Jordan?! I think Common will be an interesting John Stewart...but only if they give him a gun...
This is such
by johnnykool
Feb 27th, 2008
11:16:38 AM
A piece of shit. I hope it BOMBS and DC never makes another hero movie again, except for Bats.
yo, hammer! u ain't hittin' in new york!
by Acne Scarface
Feb 27th, 2008
11:19:10 AM
"what?!"

"so whatchu gon' do about dat, hammer!"

"i'm gon' turn this mutha out!"

This has train wreck written all over it . . .
by chewyou812
Feb 27th, 2008
11:19:34 AM
Dumb and dumberer anyone?
Hope it's as good as Legends of the Superheroes!
by rev_skarekroe
Feb 27th, 2008
11:20:27 AM
It's shaping up that way. Who's going to play Retired Man?
Might as well try to work Booster Gold into this mess...
by Darth Sticky
Feb 27th, 2008
11:20:42 AM
Hammer is back and he's back BIG!!!
by Unlabled
Feb 27th, 2008
11:22:11 AM
[/Don Orsillo]
No, No, NO, NO
by Gungan Slayer
Feb 27th, 2008
11:22:20 AM
Let this shit die in a whole and then cover it up with dirt, please....this thing is going to suck so bad....damn why the fuck does shit like this have to happen?
Common?
by CherryValance
Feb 27th, 2008
11:23:02 AM
Okay I might as well state here my aversion to rappers being cast in every damn thing. He seems to be the go to rapper-turned-actor right now and he's no worse or better than any other. But I'd just like to know when the actor shortage happened. This trend is really sickening, imo.
I'm gonna give Miller some cred
by Varakor
Feb 27th, 2008
11:25:35 AM
Road Warrior, classic and Happy Feet was a lot of fun. Didn't he do Witches of Eastwick? Dude has some skills and I think he can turn this around into something worthy for us geeks to enjoy. I'm curious how this will all turn out.
Green Lantern
by simndermot
Feb 27th, 2008
11:27:05 AM
I like the Stewart Green Lantern, but how come the most iconic version of the character keeps getting screwed? Is it a race thing?
Shit.
by Vesuvio
Feb 27th, 2008
11:31:23 AM
Wet shit.
Don't say you weren't warned next year. Remember X3?
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
11:31:35 AM
My fellow geeks! Miller has made many goo films - his last great film was nearly 25 yrs ago. Miller is the Australian Zemeckis - he is more interested these days in CGI/Mo-cap/animation etc than actual performances. You know you are in trouble, when the biggest star in your movie is Adam Brody.

by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
11:32:27 AM
sorry spelling error, I meant "good" films.
And let the bitching commence in 3, 2, 1....
by Yeti
Feb 27th, 2008
11:38:06 AM
Come on talkbackers don't fail me now!
Common is the Green Lantern...
by micturatingbenjamin
Feb 27th, 2008
11:39:20 AM
Hmmm...I've never seen him in anything. But a John Stewart Lantern fits with the cartoon. So...Fuck. This is going to be fucking lame as shit, I'm calling it right the fuck now. It sounds like twenty miles of Ass Highway. The script needed more work? How about from fucking DAY ONE CONCEPT needs work? Is this just WB trying to get their own 'buzz' like Avengers has? Fuck, give it up. Give it all the way up.
Mmmm...Megan Gale
by ATARI
Feb 27th, 2008
11:42:25 AM

JL 90210
by MasterBateman
Feb 27th, 2008
11:42:54 AM
...needs to die permanently.
Marvel is going about this the right way...
by Darth Sticky
Feb 27th, 2008
11:43:21 AM
...giving all the members of The Avengers their own feature-length "origin" movie, and then "sequeling" them into an Avengers movie! It'll probably be a little lame, but CRIPES, it turns characters you know into a team you can get into! DC is fucking this up. As I stated above - COMPLETELY REACTIONARY!
Sucks, but I hope they at least get the Batman costume right for
by riskebiz
Feb 27th, 2008
11:45:05 AM
One thing Nolan still hasn't got right is that dang costume. It looks worse than ever. I hope they get closer to the comic book version. It seemed Nolan was going in that direction, but than did a 180 with the Dark Knight. I hope at least George Miller can get the costume right .... because if he does: It will be ONLY thing he gets right in this film!!!!!!
it just sounds bad
by Mr.Slade
Feb 27th, 2008
11:47:14 AM
i dont like to hate before i see anything come out about the film, however this dosent sound for lack of a better word good. i hope they can pull it off but any cast that has adam brody as the headliner dosent sound appealing. i hope its not a batman and robin for dc
Wow
by Geekgasm
Feb 27th, 2008
11:47:30 AM
This movie is so going to blow.
George Miller...
by BrooseTheScharuk
Feb 27th, 2008
11:48:18 AM
...is an awesome director, but I don't know how much power he has over casting decisions for this movie. This cast sucks!! Even if it's a good script well-made, it's still going to have all these fucking tykes in it. Army Hammer looks like he should be the dream boat in some Hilary Duff movie or something. And I thought they'd decided to leave Batman out of this anyway (Superman was already fucked up by Brian Singer, so I don't give a shit what they do with him in this). The world's turning into fucking Logan's Run, and I'm on the run from the Sandmen.
Sticky...
by micturatingbenjamin
Feb 27th, 2008
11:51:55 AM
You are right about that...it's Hollywood's strange inbred desire to have the latest 'whatever' picture out there...That's why we got Volcano and Dante's Peak...fucking Armageddon and Deep Impact..Shit...Only one of those 'whatever' usually is successful. No lie, you put the guys who play Hulk and Iron Man in the same picture along with Sam Jackson as Nick Fury?!

Good Lord, that will fucking rule because it's great.

You put these WB-drama asshole kids in the iconic roles of superheroes, and you're going to get a shitty movie. SHITTY MOVIE IDEA.

In the conspiracy portion of my heart, I think it's a Hollywood producer who has a fucking boner for KILLING superhero pictures, so he pulls a fucking 'Kid Stays In the Picture' and produces a 'Popeye' of a superhero movie. Fuck this pile of shit.

Why do they always cast rappers?
by kyle051554
Feb 27th, 2008
11:52:45 AM
Surely they realize that there are other black people out there, some of which are actually trained actors!
END THIS MOVIE, ONCE AND FOR ALL
by havehope
Feb 27th, 2008
11:58:45 AM
Why are they doing this movie with an awful cast?
This movie is going to suck ass.
by Mr Slippy Fist
Feb 27th, 2008
11:59:00 AM
Adrian Brody? Common? Wow, what a cast. This movie is going to suck some major donkey ballz!
Usage of Jon Stewart GL = reverse racism
by ZapruderEye
Feb 27th, 2008
11:59:17 AM
Gotta have your token black guy. As long as political correctness exists, I don't see how Hal Jordan is ever gonna headline one of these kind of things.
kyle051554
by Darth Sticky
Feb 27th, 2008
12:02:17 PM
EXACTLY! I saw Common in that "Smokin' Aces" piece of shit - and his name sez it all in regard to his acting ability... any COMMON black man could have played his role, but probably with more chutzpah and badassery. His character in that movie felt like a former rapper trying to be a smoove thug/hitman. Hopefully his ring does the talking in this piece of shit JLA ripoff...
Why would someone want to kill superhero movies?
by Jor-El23
Feb 27th, 2008
12:02:24 PM
No batman and no superman please
by THE KNIGHT
Feb 27th, 2008
12:07:07 PM
God help us.
It's a guaranteed money maker
by blimblambloo
Feb 27th, 2008
12:15:26 PM
...because they don't have an expensive cast. This is similar to the first x-men casting, but there they at least had Patrick Stewart and Ian McClellen. I think Megan Gale looks great for the part, and am fine with Common and Adam Brody (would have loved Ryan Reynolds, but otherwise it's alright). It's the Batman/Superman casting that's killing this for me. I wish they'd either write them out of it or at least use Routh or Welling.
Yay, let's cast a nerdy, nasally-voiced dweeb like Adam Brody...
by SpyGuy
Feb 27th, 2008
12:15:50 PM
...for Wally West, the fucking Fastest Man Alive. Why not just give him that shitty spandex Flash costume from the cheesy JUSTICE LEAGUE TV pilot while you're at it?
Why Would Someone Want to Kill Superhero Movies?
by micturatingbenjamin
Feb 27th, 2008
12:17:31 PM
Okay, Hollywood, as I understand it, works like this: Guys with pornographic amounts of money, making entertainment by paying auteurs to create the films for their studios.

The people with the money like a return, sure, but they're not just fuckers with cash, they have opinions...so when you put one of these fucking dingalings in charge of something that has a built in fanbase without any knowledge of the product, or WORSE, a bias for a certain type of thing within that product, you get things like the fucking giant spider in Wild Wild West.

When you're the douche that gets his nuts cracked over the giant spider thing, and the buzz is that you're a kookaburra with a fucking hard-on for giant spiders, and your 'brilliant' giant spider idea gets lambasted and delivers a steamy pile of cinema like WWW, you'd probably get fucking pissed off with the people who make fun of your shitty ideas. Hence, killing off superhero movies.

Now, it's either deliberate...one of the money fucks with a hard-on for killing off the genre that made them look like a toolbox...or it's just the fucking hardheaded stubbornness of the out of touch fuckbag who thinks they know what the people want.

If they truly listened to the 'people' they'd see that this Justice League Movie is a BAD FUCKING IDEA...The fact that they're using the guy who's more famous for Babe than Mad Max just says that they know that they've got themselves a gelded fucking 'maverick' director, a guy who KNOWS what side of the creative bread his butter's on. So, expect this shit to be shitty, bad, bad, bad, a BAD CW Made for Television Superhero Movie starring fuckpants 'Young Television Hollywood Types'. Why would they want to kill these flicks off? Who the fuck knows? These are the same people responsible for the coke boom in the 80s and things like Glitter.

Ah, the trilogy will be complete...
by tiredpm
Feb 27th, 2008
12:19:40 PM
First The Punisher, then Captain America and now this -- it should make for a fantastic trifecta of superhero crap. Or, in the words of a couple of former members of my favorite League era:

BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

What scares me is they'll probably try and take the humor of the Giffen League and try to smush it into this film to make it hip. Instead, it'll be tragic. $10 says the Manhunter eats Oreos and Batman gets busted on for being grim.

WB. Stop.
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
12:23:34 PM
I'm very tired of hearing these words together:

JLA / George Miller / Adam Brody / Common

I mean really... Happy Feet, The OC, and Common. The Mulroney couple has written NOTHING (according tro IMDB). They want the League to expell Batman, and Superman to be dead.

STOP THE INSANITY!!!
God! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Prediction: THIS WILL BE AWESOME!
by Kurzinski Valentine
Feb 27th, 2008
12:24:09 PM
...in a 'Michael Bay' kind of way.

(not awesome)

Please Hammer... don't hurt 'em
by Alkeoholic77
Feb 27th, 2008
12:25:41 PM
Well at least he's too legit. Too legit to quit.
STOP!
by Cletus Van Damme
Feb 27th, 2008
12:29:25 PM
Armie Hammatime!!!
No means No
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
12:29:50 PM
I understand the producers must make a return on their investment. And what better way to do that than create a GREAT film.

"Justice League" could be the best superhero film since 'Batman Begins', If only they pulled their heads out and started paying attention to Bruce Timm and Paul Dini.

Shouldn't DC have some people involved in the production of this film? Where is the stamp of approval from DC?
I remember something i heard about X3
by Jor-El23
Feb 27th, 2008
12:32:00 PM
That some exec at Fox hated the series and wanted to kill it which is why we got X3. Although it was really bad it made money and now the series still isn't dead. I don't know if it's true, I don't get it but that's what I remember hearing once.
Glad to see the majority ain't taking this shit lying down
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
12:32:37 PM
I am rarely one for cussing in my posts but fuck you WB. Note: If this film is as shit as I expect it to be, don't fucking let them get away with it. Do not say crap things like - oh, it's a "fun" movie or else we will get a sequel like FF2. Personally, in 2006, I warned folks about X3, we were right - I'll be doing it again for JL from day one unless some serious changes are made.
I'd also like to lovingly F all the haters...
by Cletus Van Damme
Feb 27th, 2008
12:33:07 PM
...I am hoping bigtime that this is an incredible film that sets a new standard for superhero movies.
Call me crazy...
by mr.brownstone
Feb 27th, 2008
12:33:28 PM
but I have a good feeling about this... and that feeling is called George Miller.
No Hal Jordan GL?
by Cagliostro
Feb 27th, 2008
12:33:56 PM
Then I want a Black Panther movie starring William H. Macy. 'Nuff said.
Sooo...
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
12:40:25 PM
The Greatest Characters of the DC universe, in a rushed film, written by 2 people with no cred, directed by the guy who did his last 'good' action movie 23 years ago, and starring Adam Brody and Common.

Umm... this is like a Christopher Guest Mockumentary. In fact, I'd prefer that. Eugene Levy as Batman!
George Miller = I could care less
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 27th, 2008
12:40:35 PM
But at least they didn't get Fred Durst to direct it.
Hey Cletus...
by Darth Sticky
Feb 27th, 2008
12:41:43 PM
...you can hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first. Mark my words... people will pay $10.00 to see this piece of shit, but it will still remain a piece of shit. Siegel, Shuster, Kane and the rest of the ink 'n paper godfathers are spinning in their fucking graves right now.
Hey Cletus Van Damme
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
12:42:59 PM
I hope its good too. But they would have to change A LOT of things to convince me. Do you look at this and see a good film at the end of the rainbow? I see a pot of shit.
Stuperheroes
by sirbroiler
Feb 27th, 2008
12:43:04 PM
This turd is going to blow hard.

by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
12:43:39 PM
a BIG pot of shit
WB should come to their senses
by Wormie1
Feb 27th, 2008
12:44:57 PM
But then again they thought dragging Batman back to camp and making a film called Catwoman without Catwoman actually being in it were good ideas. Since Superman Returns only made $20m more than Batman Begins, don't they realise that perhaps with Lois & Clark and Smallville, the novelty of a new Superman movie wasn't such a big deal to more casual viewers. Having yet another guy as Supes will just compound the oversaturation problem. And unlike Superman, Batman has always been played by an established actor, so why cast a young nobody in the role?
To quote the great Eli Wallach in "The Magnificent Seven" . . .
by SkidMarkedUndies
Feb 27th, 2008
12:49:33 PM
"Stupid. Stupid."
Witches of Eastwick
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 27th, 2008
12:52:01 PM
Other than the cherry vomit scene and John Williams score, it was preaty forgetable. I'll take two other 70's movie icons turned devil movies: Angel Heart with De Niro (Good Movie) and The Devil's Advocate with Pacino(Good over the top Pacino cheese fest).
THEY SHOULD JETTISON MILLER AND BRING IN A REAL DIRECTOR
by BurgerTime
Feb 27th, 2008
12:52:13 PM
like Tim Story.

Ouch.

Dir: Wolfgang Petersen
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
12:52:26 PM
He directed Troy, which had a complex story, with 7 main characters, and there were no talking pigs or dancing penguins in it.

Achilles/Hector/Paris/Briseis/
Odysseus/Agamamnon/Menelaus

=
Batman/Superman/Flash/WW
Lantern/Darkseid/Luthor

Wolfgang Petersen please.
Dir: Bryan Singer
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
12:57:30 PM
He's supposed to make the next Superman, just start the Justice League there.
I'm still not sold on this..
by The Dum Guy
Feb 27th, 2008
01:04:24 PM
I fear another X3.
I'm still not sold on this..
by The Dum Guy
Feb 27th, 2008
01:04:26 PM
I fear another X3.
George Miller's Justice Babies Are GO!
by James Westfall
Feb 27th, 2008
01:05:17 PM
Yikes, how fucking scary.
Quint
by mfcorleone
Feb 27th, 2008
01:07:33 PM
...is already writing his stellar review of this film, while jangling harry's balls in his palm.
Remember, keep your arms & elbows in at all times.
by JDanielP
Feb 27th, 2008
01:10:44 PM
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we GO!!!!
This will never top Superfriends
by Pipple
Feb 27th, 2008
01:16:12 PM
Why not bring in Routh?
by TheLastCleric
Feb 27th, 2008
01:16:59 PM
He's a solid Superman and would, at the very least, anchor this picture to something resembling class.
I thought Green Lantern was a honky
by batzilla
Feb 27th, 2008
01:27:19 PM
What gives? I am assuming that there was a black GL at some point in the comics? How goofy. And why a "rapper"? Why not an actual ACTOR?! Fuck...this movie is going to suck donkey balls big time anyways so...
Re: Trik_ster
by tiredpm
Feb 27th, 2008
01:27:29 PM
Thank you, I snorted so loud at your suggestion for a villain my office stared at me and I had to try and explain what was so funny. Didn't go well, I might add.
Cant do the Justice League Justice
by The Bandit
Feb 27th, 2008
01:28:08 PM
A lot of good points made here. I have faith in Miller (I think), but not in this movie. I hope I'm wrong, but it just doesnt seem right. Its a rushed, 'lets do it quick and crank it out while we can' sort of movie which is a shame b/c JL is the last thing you want to do half hearted. The JL is a big animal to take on, its hard to do it right in books, cartoons, etc. sometimes, let alone jamming in a shit load of history and material in a 2 hr movie. Also just like every genre thats making money the studios are gonna milk it till its dry, and of course thats comicbook/superhero movies. Some good ones get made here and there, and a whole lot of bad ones are made the rest of the time. The whole vibe on this project isnt good, thats all I can say.
Question...
by tiredpm
Feb 27th, 2008
01:31:06 PM
...how long was The New Frontier in production for? Anyone know? Because they're talking about putting a live-action super-hero movie with multiple characters, arcs and plot-lines on the screen in less than 18 months. Hell, Cameron wrapped Avatar and it's not due for another 2 years because of the effects. Whoa...

Sorry, attack of common sense. I'll get over it.

Why do movies cast rappers?
by Sithdan
Feb 27th, 2008
01:35:58 PM
How does "gangsta rapping" constitute acting talent? Why does Hollywood continuously cast these people? I drew the line when Busta Rhymes had a starring role in Halloween Resurrection. Raisin in the Sun with "Puff Daddy" was pure crap. Rappers can't act!
I wonder how good this will make the JLA tv pilot look?
by Pops Freshemeyer
Feb 27th, 2008
01:37:04 PM
Seriously, this sounds pretty lame.
Give Common his due but..
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
01:41:36 PM
Watch his vid with Lily Allen. He is John Stewart. He is not a gangsta rapper and he has some acting talent. But I do agree, he is not someone who should be playing a comicm icon based in what he has shown us so far. Can someone tell me what a 65 year old gentleman is doing directing a film about superheroes at the forefront of pop-culture today? I have a sneaking feeling Miller has no clue about the back-history of these characters. It worked for Nolan partly because he had Goyer to guide him. Miller has the Mulroneys - I rest my case. Only madness will make someone cast a 21 year old as Batman and Adam fucking Brody as Wally West. Save us Dini and Timm!!
I hate this crap
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
01:42:56 PM
I can't believe how much hate I have in my heart for this project. Some people couldn't give 2 shts about JLA (I don't understand why they read/post on this TB if they don't care, but the ALWAYS do), but I really like this stuff.

It's modern-day mythology, with Gods (Superman, Manhunter), Godesses (WW), Demi-Gods (Flash, GL), and mortals (Batman). They join forces to save the world from invaders, or a plague, or a ruthless megalomaniac. They have trouble working together because they're so different, but they do it anyway because they believe in protecting people.

So far all the news I've heard about this project has done nothing but disappoint me. And it is actually making me sad. Its like someone wants to do a TV show of "The Godfather" with Richard Simmons, Ryan Seacrest, and Kanye West. THATS how ridiculous this sounds to me, and thats why I'm sad.

If the only JLA you know is Superfriends, please read Alex Ross ('Justice' 'Kingdom Come'). If you don't understand the appeal after reading those great stories, seeing that fantastic artwork, then I hope you enjoy your 2hr JLA music video, because no one else will.
PS: Summer 2009 - The season of the rushjob
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
01:45:06 PM
Aside from maybe Wolverine and definitely Avatar, GI Joe, T4, Justice League will all be rush-jobs. We geeks are totally gonna get it in the ass. Thanks, Hollywood.
Richard Simmons/Ryan Seacrest/Kanye West
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 27th, 2008
01:47:18 PM
Richard Simmons is actually the toughest guy out of that line-up.
Superfriends was great
by Sithdan
Feb 27th, 2008
01:57:58 PM
I have fond memories of watching Superfriends in the wee hours of the morning every Saturday as a kid. When I recently caught an episode on the Cartoon Network, I could tell that show was clearly made in another era, one less cynical. Even modern animated superhero shows aimed at younger audiences are darker and more foreboding than anything in the Superfriend universe. There's a sort of comforting innocence about Superfriends that most shows (both live action and cartoons) lack nowadays. It brings back memories of a simpler time.
How will Armie Hammer stack up against Patrick Bateman?
by stinkyfingerz
Feb 27th, 2008
01:59:00 PM
Like complete shit, that's how. Can we somehow boycott this movie?? And if this fuck's with the chance of us seeing a Chris Nolan/Christian Bale third bat-flick, there will be blood.
DC lives on in animation. Marvel only live action.
by ZeroCorpse
Feb 27th, 2008
02:01:16 PM
Marvel can't do animation to save their lives (unless it's on a video game into, at which point they'll actually sink money into it) while DC can only barely manage to make a decent live action film.

And no, Alan Moore-inspired movies do not count.

Preach, Stickyfingers
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
02:03:33 PM
There will be fucking blood...and guts and brains and spinal fluid.
why a black green lantern?...
by AnakinsDiapers
Feb 27th, 2008
02:04:53 PM
I don't know, maybe because they want the Justice League to be a little more representative of the actual populace? And, i don't know, perhaps it's because the most popular representation of the Justice league was an acclaimed cartoon which ran 5 seasons and had a black green lantern? And, i don't know, maybe it's because this black green lantern has been a comic character since 1971, probably older than most of the people bitching about it.
IRON MAN costume(s): A ...TDK Bat-suit(s): C-
by JDanielP
Feb 27th, 2008
02:07:50 PM
I've got a nice, big close-up of "IRON MAN" as a wallpaper, here on my monitor (Thank you SuperHeroHype.com). It's a shot of what's sure to be the final armor/suit in the new IRON-MAN flick (I prefer the hyphened name, from comic book glory days). Anyway, the ONLY reason I wouldn't give the design a perfect "A+" is because some parts of the suit (shoulder pieces and upper portion of chest-plate) look a bit too plastic (at least, when dusty). But hey, this is movie magic at work (and still in progress)...so the possibility remains that there could be some CGI touches to add that reflective shine, which I remember from ol' shell-head back in the day. But then, maybe they're purposely pulling back from a shinny design...while there's plenty of design opportunity in any sequels that come. --As to "THE DARK KNIGHT", I'm very hopeful that Nolan has consistently shot Batman within at least SOME shadow and/or silhouette. Honestly, I don't like to dismiss the work of others. I really WANT these people to succeed. But I also want costume people to learn from what they've done...and I feel there has been a lack of common sense in terms of design (or..."costume sense", if you please). I shouldn't have to explain any rules of art to a professional costumer in Hollywood. But...when you apply two (or more) colors (or shades of a color) within a costume design,...the higher the contrast (between the colors or shades), the MORE these pieces are going to be visually separated. And I think I actually prefer the subtle nipples (which were obviously Roman soldier inspired) over what looks to be like a woman's bra. Sure, maybe I'm overstating it. Maybe this will be far less noticeable than I imagine (especially if filmed a certain way). And who knows? ...Maybe the design(s) will be touched up and "toned down" via CGI applications. --Basically, this process gets a lot easier when, in the end, you want the costume to look freakin' cool,...all the while being mostly faithful to both the character and what the director envisions for the film. Thank you for your attention.
This Movie Would Be a Lot Cooler
by kevinwillis.net
Feb 27th, 2008
02:08:44 PM
If it was set in the fifties. I'm just saying.
Hey Anakin's diapers
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
02:10:54 PM
Look the problem with John Stewart is this. If you make JLA GL as in the cartoon which was done despite what Timm says I feel for token purpose, it means that the odds on a Hal Jordan GL spin-off fall dramatically. I can just see the NAACP freaking out over the re-casting of a black hero. Unless they are both in it. Let us be clear, Hal Jordan is the greatest GL and between himself and Kyle Rayner have been the JL GLs in many more JL interpretations across different media thaN John Stewart. PS. i am black and am not fussed as long as the GL movie is about Hal Jordan.
Armie Hammer Jr.
by otm shank
Feb 27th, 2008
02:13:21 PM
As if Armie Hammer Sr. didn't get enough shit. That's cold sir.
Guy Gardner is the greatest Green Lantern.
by Pops Freshemeyer
Feb 27th, 2008
02:18:26 PM
And the Hal Jordan fans who are all emo because Hal isn't in the movie should be happy he won't be associated with this crap.
benefit of the doubt
by Vern
Feb 27th, 2008
02:28:38 PM
I understand being worried about the young guy playing Batman, I understand being skeptical about the studio interfering with the director, this is all logical. But the more you guys insult George Miller the more it seems like you're just looking for things to get upset about. Yes, his most recent movies are kid's movies, but have you fucking SEEN them? He didn't do THE GAME PLAN or some shit, he did beautifully directed, visionary movies unlike any other that came before them. They happened to be about animals. This one will be the same but it will happen to be about weirdos in capes.

Did you see that crazy fucked up BABE movie he did? There's a scene where the pig gets chased by dogs, and I can't off the top of my head think of a chase scene since then that has been better constructed. I'm sure there are a bunch but tense action scenes like that are few and far between in this age of shakycams and Michael Bay editing. The crazy singing penguin movie also had some great chase scenes in it and some amazing imagery like the opening when the crowds of penguins march through the storm, that looked like something out of fuckin LORD OF THE RINGS. Believe me, I am a proud man, and I am not one to go for a singing penguin movie. But I tried it out on the strength of George Miller's track record and somehow the bastard made it work. If he can do that this one should be a layup.

What I'm saying is that you fellas are looking at the very surface (what the movie is about) and completely ignoring his actual skills as a director. It's like saying Steven Spielberg could never direct MUNICH because he had done like 3 sci-fi movies in a row. Peter Jackson? How could he do LORD OF THE RINGS, he's only done low budget horror movies. How could Alfonso Cuaron do a Henry Potter movie, he just did an NC-17, he's gonna accidentally make them fuck. Sam Raimi, he only does horror and baseball, he can't do Spiderman. Shit, how is it that you guys give John Favreau more credit as a director than George Miller? It looks like he's doing a good job, yeah, but why the benefit of the doubt with him and a fuckin gauntlet for Miller, who has a way longer, better track record that is more obviously applicable to doing a movie like this? I don't get it. Shit, you guys are nicer to the TRANSPORTER 2 guy! You're assuming the guy who did TRANSPORTER 2 will do a good job but want to murder George Miller!

I mean I liked TRANSPORTER 2 actually, but you still gotta wonder what this world is coming to. Is this part of the war on old people? Should I be taking up arms like in DEATH WISH 3?

great. FANTASTIC.
by whatyoufear
Feb 27th, 2008
02:29:35 PM
Actually, not great, in fact- the complete opposite.

Shouldn't WB be investing in a quality sequel to Superman Returns, or giving Nolan's vision of Batman room to breathe? It disgusts me to see the suits trying to cash in on their "hot properties", I'd probably feel differently if the people involved in the production were taking their time with it, caring about making something worthy of being filmed, but judging by how it's set for a 2009 release date (!!!), all signs of giving a fuck about quality are apparently out the window. I'm betting this movie will be something along the lines of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

Personally, I don't care. I was never all too interested in seeing a live action Justice League come into fruition, however, I WILL care if this piece of shit fucks up or gets in the way of Chris Nolan's (possible) sequel to The Dark Knight.

Vern
by whatyoufear
Feb 27th, 2008
02:31:09 PM
who the hell is Henry Potter?
best part about any justice league news:
by just pillow talk
Feb 27th, 2008
02:37:06 PM
Vern appearing.
If they screw it up there may be no more DC movies
by nerosday
Feb 27th, 2008
02:40:43 PM
If this tanks; which I doubt, but tanking and sucking aren't the same thing, this could be the end for the DC movies. Mainly because Warners would never blame themselves for the mistake of doing an aweful job, they'll say that further use of the DC characters would be unprofitable. sigh. Give us a good cast, good story, direction, and writing and you'll make sooo much more money guys and god forbid you treat the material seriously. who knows you might make $500 Mill instead of $400. jeez. If it sucks but makes great money we're stuck with Justice OC, if sucks and fails horribly; no more movies about characters we love. Yeah, thanks for fuckin' us there WB. 'Preciate it.
Re: Vern and Miller. Remember Lucas and Ep 1?
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
02:42:30 PM
I admire your faith in George Miller and I agree Miller has made some good films and two great films. The problem is that as Variety have said this film is purely a tentpole movie. Release date first, movie second. That approach has never sat well with me particularly when we are looking at about a 12month turnaround. Secondly, for me, it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ directed this movie, I haven't read the script but I'm not keen on Miller using a character, Bats that Nolan has rehabilitated and making a movie that has him playing around with demi-Gods in complete contrast to what has come before. It makes no sense. Thirdly, the casting is sorely lacking. I can take one-off kilter choice but Adam Brody, Armie Hammer and Common- hmm. Miller has clearly never read a Flash comic in his life. Maybe he will prove me wrong but say what you will but even a great director can be laid low by poor scripts and release date madness. Remember Tim Burton and Planet of the Apes. If this bombs, it reflects badly on all the heroes, Batman across the board. No spin-offs, reduced box office for Nolan's 3rd movie cos of Batman overkill. Write out Bats and Supes as well, and then Miller and I can talk. Till then, pah!
Awesome quote, Vern.
by Pops Freshemeyer
Feb 27th, 2008
02:43:21 PM
How could Alfonso Cuaron do a Henry Potter movie, he just did an NC-17, he's gonna accidentally make them fuck.

Um, who the hell is Henry Potter?

Vern, I'm sure people were defending Schumacher before he made a
by stinkyfingerz
Feb 27th, 2008
02:48:26 PM
...and we all know how those masterpieces turned out. Here's hoping Miller put's nipples on all his superheroes suits. Now that would be a movie!
also
by whatyoufear
Feb 27th, 2008
02:49:26 PM
I'm not bent out of shape over George Miller directing, it's more of a "what the hell is WB doing casting a bunch of kids as superheroes and rushing the job and twenty bucks says the DVD will be out two months after it is released theatrically and don't forget to buy the xbox 360 AND ps3 releases of the exclusively licensed video game because each version has different unlockable characters and levels not in the movie and don't forget to buy the ringtone and wallpaper for your iphone for $1.99 each (sold separately) and watch for the 9 minute preview that will play sometime during an episode of Smallville (starring a different-DIFFERENT actor as Superman, yes there are two other actors playing Superman in feature films at the moment, but you shouldn't care because WE don't, remember that Harrison Ford was Indiana Jones AND Han Solo, and those turned out okay), and forget about that Christian Bale guy as Batman for the 90-120 minutes we deem the second coming of the SuperHero Ensemble BlockBuster of the Ages, besides, he scowled and grimaced a lot and our version of Batman is more hip, less moody, more REAL."
JTStyler..
by AnakinsDiapers
Feb 27th, 2008
02:49:27 PM
You're gonna have to qualify how Kyle Raynor has been in more JL interpretations than John Stewart. All i remember of Kyle Raynor in any other medium than comics was one Superman: the animated series episode. John Stewart was 1n 5 seasons of Justice league, and, not being the icon Batman and Superman are, had the opportunity to grow as a character in that cartoon. You mention the NAACP fraking out about recasting a black hero. First of all, Green lantern hasn't been recast as a black hero. Green Lantern IS a black hero, or to be more specific, ONE of the FIVE earth green Lanterns is John Stewart, who technically is the third GL of earth.
Vern
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
02:50:21 PM
People trust Favreau because he's a fan of Iron Man (and having Robert Downey Jr helped a lot).

Nolan earned respect through his resume of dark, complex material (and having Goyer helped a lot).

Miller hasn't shown any geek-love for the material, and none of his previous work looks or tastes anything close to JLA.

Miller has to do some amazing casting to gain fans respect, but so far, nyet.
Vern, my friend, it has nothing to do with Miller
by IndustryKiller!
Feb 27th, 2008
02:50:25 PM
It has everything to do with the fact that they cannot get ONE superhero right, let alone like seven. I don't doubt that there will be some interesting directing in this piece, I also don't doubt that the script will be total and utter crap. And in the case of superhero films, it's all in the script. Look at Spider man 3, Raimi's a very talented director, the script was crap so the movie was crap. Also you don't just piss away this many superheroes on one film, especially when said film has the distinct possibility of misrepresenting them. Because you know if it's successful, even if it's garbage, there will be spin offs of the lame Justice League versions of the characters. People are going to think that it's THIS FILMS versions of these heroes that people want. This film could have years of negative ramifications. I also have no doubt they will put Miller on a completely unfair time frame in which to complete a film of this scope. And you know man, I would rather see no Justice League movie at all then see a shitty Justice League movie. You can't ever trust a director to deliver on something that was a bad idea from the start and this has train wreck written all over it.
Family Connections
by Aquatarkusman
Feb 27th, 2008
02:52:34 PM
Maybe Armie (!) can get Uncle Jan to provide the pulsing, synth-laden soundtrack. And Christ, Vern, take a Valium (that pill still works, right?)
Ugh
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
02:54:10 PM
What a stupid idea to make this movie.
George Miller did Babe2 and Happy Feet
by theycallmemrglass
Feb 27th, 2008
02:55:17 PM
They were superbly dark tales. Yeah some hated them but hey its got 61% on the rottentomatoes metre. All in all though, despite being a writer, producer and director, he hasnt done that many movies since he burst into the limelight with Mad Max.
would rather see this CGI
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
02:57:21 PM
No interest in seeing this live action while the nolan-verse is still churning butter.

And where the hell is my Superman sequel?!?! Why are we talking JLA when there is no Superman sequel!?!?
And another thing Vern
by IndustryKiller!
Feb 27th, 2008
02:59:02 PM
As for the Hulk, at least Edward Norton has seemingly taken the reigns script wise, and I trust him as a smart individual who really seems to get the character, and as a brilliant actor will put character first. As for Iron Man, if George Miller was directing JUST an Iron Man film, I would be stoked. But he's directing a film with 7 times that many heroes in it, not to mention classic villains to juggle. It's just an impossible task and I don't think ANY director can handle it, at least not at this point in the evolution of the superhero genre, when Hollywood seems to have no idea how to get it right. Also the casting thus far has me very skeptical. Casting on these projects either works from the start or doesn't seem to work out at all. And let's face it the cast in a superhero pic means every bit as much as the director. I just cannot have faith in a genre that has let me down so consistently.
George Miller deserves this opportunity.
by JDanielP
Feb 27th, 2008
03:01:12 PM
With the way that George Miller approaches different stories from a directorial perspective,...it's almost as though he belongs at Pixar. And that's one hell of a compliment (if you ask me). But I think the doubt and the uncertainty mostly arrives from our lack of knowledge of the young actors, rather than having absolute faith in everything from George Miller. Let's face it, folks. Everyone here has favorite actors and actresses,...and their preferences for each character. So...I think that, at this point, with little knowledge of how this will eventually LOOK and FEEL on screen, without a true VIBE in how it will come together, we are just scared. However, I'm VERY confident that this is going to be something MUCH MORE than a "Fantastic 4" flick (that's a given). And I figure that Miller will surprise us. And being that these characters are so precious to us, we can't help but be afraid and feel some anxiety. But then, the way that I look at it,...is that Warner Bros. could do a HELL of a lot worse. So why don't we get this roller-coaster moving, shall we?
Let's wait and see. . . .
by Darth_Kaos
Feb 27th, 2008
03:01:15 PM
Everybody is saying this and saying that without one clue on what's going on. Now, for the record, I must say that some the casting sets me uneasy, but I said that with the new Bond, and they proved us wrong (you know they did). So let's relax, and wait to the actors in their respected costumes before we start bitchin'. I'm praying for the best. I trust Miller.
I'd rather see a Smallville movie
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
03:02:08 PM
and thats saying something, because I fucking hate Smallville as much as I hate liver.

So technically, I'd rather eat liver than see a Miller JLA
"wait and see"?
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
03:06:28 PM
Surely you jest. The outcome of this movie will, without a doubt, effect the development of solo movies for WW, Flash, and GL.

If this thing tanks, it's taking 3 of DC's finest with it. Possibly Superman. Possibly Batman. Everytime a hero movie retards and dies, it takes fucking FOREVER for studios to put money into a reboot. Thats why 'wait and see' sounds a lot like 'give the baby a cigarette'
Just make damn sure that the script is worthy.
by JDanielP
Feb 27th, 2008
03:07:39 PM
Remember,...the story comes first.
Anakin's Diapers
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
03:10:12 PM
I said Kyle Rayner has been in more JL interpretations across different media than John Stewart. By that I am including comic book JL runs as well. Not just one tv show. From the early 90's i.e Parallax up until 2002ish, Rayner was the man. J. Stewart filled in for about 3-4yrs in comic book land before being unceremoniously booted out for Hal Jordan once JLU ended and Hal returned. And another thing, about the NAACP. It won't matter to them that GL is a title rather than one hero, all the public will see is a hero who was black in JL is now white in the spin-off - doesn't matter if the name is changed or hell, if the costume is different. You and I know better but perception is everything. Lastly, having seen JLU, it has to be said that for all GLs love-life drama, he remained a rather lifeless character - things seemed to happen around him rather than because of him. But I'd go as far as to say he showed no character growth but I digress - different strokes. In my ranking, John Stewart is the least interesting of the big 4 lanterns behind Gardner, Jordan and Rayner. Now Wally West, there's a character who did grow in the show.
Left field
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
03:10:37 PM
In this infinite universe it is possible that George Miller will shock all the haters and make the godfather of comic films.

by having John Stewart as the 1st GL on screen.


played by Common



am I talking too fast?



The first GL on screen,

Common.


Common
JDanielP
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
03:11:28 PM
Common.
My skepticism has nothing to do with...
by Mo_Green
Feb 27th, 2008
03:11:37 PM
The director. This just reeks of a box office disaster. Comic book fans my love the Justice League but the average movie goer is not going to buy this concept. They're going to say "We're supposed to believe that one year after you showed us a Batman movie starring Christian Bale, suddenly Batman is in this whole other storyline with other superheroes being played by a different actor?" "Is it the same Batman? Where does it fall in the storyline with relation to The Dark Knight?" People aren't going to go for this, I can just feel it.
(sigh) Vern its not Miller
by nerosday
Feb 27th, 2008
03:14:22 PM
If you have no more appreciation for the source material or knowledge of it than you seem then just stop fucking posting about this stuff. Allow the fanboys to be pissed. We are. No matter how good the director is or used to be the cast is fucking terrible and that’s that. An artist can only get so many shades of brown out of shit, and when he’s done the painting still stinks. This is the only comic movie I’ve seen where the fans don’t want it made, mainly because of the cast. WE DO NOT WANT ACTORS THIS YOUNG PLAYING THESE CHARACTERS and would rather have no movie than this movie, period. And fanboys trust John Favreau, because from day one he did one important thing that WB has rarely ever done: he listened to what the fans wanted and understood how much we cared for the material, so hell yes the man gets more credit from me in this case than Miller. Look at what happened the last time we had a “great” director make a superhero flick we got Ang lee’s the fucking HULK. Miller is not the problem here Vern, bad blood with a studio and the feeling that not only are they not listening; they are doing their damnedest to do the exact opposite of what the material reflects and the fans want. That is the problem. Miller is just caught in the middle and is and will catch all kinds of hell for it. The fanboys track record with WB really only extends to enjoyment of one or two batman movies out of six and the first two supermen. Look what they’ve given us lately fucking superbastard Jason White in "Gee this’ll be just like Donner’s movie with the dead guy in the red cape," meaning that was NOT superman, just isn't cutting it. You can’t even see why we’re angry.
Fags
by Friendo
Feb 27th, 2008
03:17:01 PM
If you were all arguing the finer points of superhero mythology or its place in cinema that'd be one thing. But you're all crossing your piss streams over Franchise Management, casting, timing, other future tentpoles, etc etc etc. Fucking pantywaist whiners, what the fuck... wetting yourselves... boo fucking hoo...
Bale and Routh
by Wormie1
Feb 27th, 2008
03:22:32 PM
Seriously, if Christian Bale thought this was going to be a decent film, he'd be keen to do it. And Warners should want him to do it. Same for Brandon Routh.
I was hopeful for this because of Miller, but...
by nerosday
Feb 27th, 2008
03:23:16 PM
I really just think short of an absolute miracle this thing is a clusterfuck of epic proportions waiting to explosively release all over the comic movie genre. We are ten years into these things, and the day of making these movies is going to fade over time. They need to be good to comtinue. A bad one especially a high profile bad one, hurts the chances of production for good ones.
Friendo this is a moviebuff site on a fanboy movie
by nerosday
Feb 27th, 2008
03:25:30 PM
fuck off and go to CHUD if you don't want to read shit like this.
I'm enjoying the justifiably angry reactions
by IndustryKiller!
Feb 27th, 2008
03:26:26 PM
Because once this film starts shooting all the idiots are gonna come out of the woodwork and proclaim that it will be excellent no matter what and anyone who doesn't dumb themselves down to the level of caveman to enjoy it is a "hater". But for now I'm liking that logic is taking center stage in a comic book film discussion for once.
HAMMY ARMOR JR.
by Kurzinski Valentine
Feb 27th, 2008
03:28:40 PM
nerosday, my thoughts EXACTLY.
by brokentusk
Feb 27th, 2008
03:29:44 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself. Sure Miller's a fine director, but what does that matter when the tools he has to work with are deficient? The casting is atrocious and the director can only do so much. Personally I have no investment in this film, because I don't know much about the Justice League, but I do know that when a studio casts young “up-and-coming” actors in roles meant for older, more experienced actors, something isn't right.
George Miller
by Son of Hades
Feb 27th, 2008
03:32:12 PM
Echoing the calls to give him the benefit of the doubt until more comes in on this one. Lorenzo's Oil might have been nothing more than a movie-of-the-week wannabe, but he at least it look like a fucking detective thriller.
"at least MADE it look"
by Son of Hades
Feb 27th, 2008
03:32:44 PM
My god.
George Miller won't have a chance...
by Rupee88
Feb 27th, 2008
03:35:32 PM
...to make a good movie. The script and casting are both sucky and they are going to rush the film through production. Blaming Miller for this is like blaming Ratner for X3. The studio is just going to make another shit movie because they know they will make millions of profits on it. If you paid to see X3 in any form, then you are part of the problem and why this crappy JLA movie is being made.
THERE IS NO GOD...
by Wilclas
Feb 27th, 2008
03:38:55 PM
...
Classic villains???...
by Kid Z
Feb 27th, 2008
03:40:47 PM
...What classic villains??? They're using the whole stupid-ass Brother Eye/Omac thing from one of DC's seemingly endless "event" miniseries... they could not have sraped the barrel any lower. Yeah right... Batman, who in Nolan's films is based as much as possible in the "real world", even haven't pretty solid explanations for his equipment and weapons, suddenly in this mess is a completely different guy who was able, in his spare time mind you, to create a satellite that can spy on and defeat every superhero, is undetectable by any means, and can turn a good chunk of Eath's population into unstoppable cyborg warriors. And it's just a guess but I'll bet the Batcave suddenly looks like something moe along the lines of Schumacher's version too, fake hi-tech with neon all over everything like radioactive vomit.... just a guess, anyway. One more thing... the guy that put Daredevil in leather bondage gear is the guy in charge of designing all the costumes in this inevitable turd... AND... (shades of that godawful, unreleased JLA TV pilot)... they're casting a fat guy to play J'onn J'onzz!
so fucking stupid...
by Judge Briggs
Feb 27th, 2008
03:42:14 PM
isn't Supe's and Batman not in it?
Sorry about all the spelling and grammatical errors...
by Kid Z
Feb 27th, 2008
03:42:51 PM
... in my last post. But this misfire of epic proportions really pisses me off!
And Common as GL...
by Kid Z
Feb 27th, 2008
03:44:59 PM
...Common? Will they redesign his uniform as a Gap hoodie? Maybe instead of "GAP" embroidered on the back it can say "Mean 'n' Green" instead? Common!
Wormie1...glad you know Bale so well
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
03:45:31 PM
Can he come over and help me turn my car into a Batmobile?!?! What are some of his other opinions.
JTStyler..
by AnakinsDiapers
Feb 27th, 2008
03:46:08 PM
We're going to have to agree to disgree on Johns growth in JLU. I mean in your opinion the Flash had more growth....really? John's been a character since 1971. Kyle came into being in the 90's. Kyle was only the only GL for a decade because it was editorially mandated as such. It's not like John disappeaered. Did we forget Darkstars? And you know what?, none of that comic minutae matters in the least anyway. The broad audience out there that don't read comics know GL from television. That Green Lantern is John Stewart. Just seems to me you have an axe to grind.
Why people don't have faith in George Miller
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 27th, 2008
03:46:38 PM
Rests solely on the last chase scene in Road Warrior.
BOTTOM LINE
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
03:47:25 PM
...NONE of you know ANYTHING about this movie! This immediate hatred is the same immediate love that so many of you wankers gave to Transformers. Does this cast look less than good? YES. But does that mean ANYTHING yet? NO! Jesus Christ, be patient. Wait for a fuckin' screen shot....you tools just HATE or LOVE randomly. ARE YOU ROBOTS!?!?!?!
George Miller...
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
03:48:05 PM
For the morons claiming he hasn't made a good movie in 20 years, your idiots. That's it. Get past it.
Why people don't have faith in George Miller
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 27th, 2008
03:51:42 PM
Sure some Miller cultists want to go on and on about how great he is, but really, his reputation rests solely on the last chase scene in Road Warrior. To most, that's the only good thing he's directed. I don't hate the guy, but really other than that last bit in Road Warrior, his filmography isn't very impressive. Sure he's not the worst director out there, but a lot of people probably feel the guy is out of touch with the material based on what has been reported thus far.
JTStyler...you're just wrong.
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
03:51:52 PM
Sorry, mate. But you are. No WAY was Wally West more developed in JLU than John Stewart! Did you watch a DIFFERENT JLU!?!? OHHH, you're a Guy Gardner fanboy! Well, now it ALL makes sense, Poozer.
Sam....I don't disagree with you...but I do.
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
03:55:05 PM
The news of the casting has been shite. I'mm not a Miller cultist by any means, but I DO believe that he hasn't made a bad movie yet (Thunderdome was close)...but you're flat out wrong about his filmography not being impressive (what's your standard?) Is Zack Snyder's filmography impressive? Are we comparing Miller to Ingmar Bergman!?!?

My response is to the IMMEDIATE hate that this site just thrives on for small announcements such as this.
I still want a real fucking action packed Superman movie...
by Judge Briggs
Feb 27th, 2008
04:04:21 PM
that is why i am not down with this movie... damnit
It's all opinion
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 27th, 2008
04:08:03 PM
But I would say MM Beyond Thunderdome, The Witches of Eastwick and Happy Feet are awful films. I'd compare the guy to other directors from 1978-now, not Bergman, Kubrick, Hitchcock, or Jesus. I don't think the guy has done one movie that was good from beginning to end. Now by saying they aren't good, I'm not saying they're all crap (even though some are), I'm just saying that the ones that you might think are good (the Mad Max films) are to me, only decent, but nothing special. I think he gets propped up as a great filmmaker based on some peoples nostalgia for the Mad Max films, which to me are not the little miracles that some feel they are. For how few films he's put out, there just isn't that film or two that I'd say he's made that are classics. I'd say he's a less successful version Phillip Kaufman (because they both started around the same time, and haven't directed a whole lot of films). But at least Kaufman has some real gems in his filmography (Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, The Wanderers, The Right Stuff, The Unbearable Lightness of Being). I don't think Miller can say the same, not coming from someone who doesn't bow at the feet of the Mad Max trilogy. Like I said, my opinion. Obviously yours is different, I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from.
Anakin's diapers - I do have an axe to grind. And Brian's Life
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
04:09:58 PM
I'm not that bothered by John Stewart/ Rayner/ Jordan - My axes, if that is a word are: 1. Hal Jordan is GL and thus if a solo GL is going to be made, it should star him, race and Justice League film be damned. 2. JLU as a show has been for some time but the comic has Hal Jordan, the original GL as made by the creator of the concept back as part of the JLA AS HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN. Thus Miller is free to use whoever he pleases, I don't mind who he uses but I understand why Hal fans would be pissed. JLU is not canon, it is a show and the joy of GL is the freedom to use whover you please although the general population will probably not see it that way. Oh and Brian's life, i am not a Gardner fanboy but GL's character despite the amount of drama around the character, he simply in that show did not engage the audience the way Wally West did. Tell me when Flash runs around the globe to smack Luthor/Braniac in Season 4 Flashpoint instead of running away as we would expect him to, the hairs on the back of your neck did not stand up? I do not think Stewart had an equivalent scene. Shayera Hal is another matter, she essentially did grow as a character and was engaging. There was a growing sense of maturity in Wally West through that show. But hey, we can all agree that the show kicked ass, right.
zapruder eye
by samsquanch
Feb 27th, 2008
04:13:22 PM
There's no such thing as 'reverse racism'. Jesus.
DIE!! FUCKING DIE! FUCKING DIE!!!
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
04:36:42 PM
Gregory Novak. I'm coming for you.
Screw those Green Lanters!
by Alkeoholic77
Feb 27th, 2008
04:43:26 PM
Fuck Guy Gardner! Fuck Kyle Raynor! Fuck John Stewart and Hal Jordan! This movie needs Kilowog all the way mother fuckers!!!
samsquanch, what about reverse vampires?
by Alkeoholic77
Feb 27th, 2008
04:44:18 PM
Are they real?
Why has no one called Armie Hammer
by Quin the Eskimo
Feb 27th, 2008
04:44:24 PM
Arm and Hammer? Why?
"JLU is not canon"..
by AnakinsDiapers
Feb 27th, 2008
04:46:00 PM
..And apparently JTStyler, this movie is supposed to be? How can you possibly use that as a basis for a rebuttal? As far as character growth, your example of Wally growing as a character is an action scene, an impressive one at that, but an action scene non the less. I'll not bother to list the epeisodes as long as my arm where john and his trials were either a subplot or central to the story, because you already know this. And hey, if we really want to be nick picky about following comic canon or bust, Alan Scott should be the first GL to hit the big screen.
JTStyler...that show DID kick some ass...
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
04:50:13 PM
But regarding why the Flash scene was so powerful...I think it was precisely BECAUSE he was such an underdeveloped character. Up until that point Flash never had "a moment"
Sammy...good points all...
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
04:51:54 PM
...but yeah we just have to agree to disagree. I dig Miller for Happy Feet as much as I do for Mad Max. He makes movies that provoke thought. Just so YOU know where I'M coming from.
"Rapper Common nabbed the Green Lantern role"
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 27th, 2008
04:52:18 PM
Well, that just saved me $20. Thanks for the heads-up!
all in all lameness
by whatyoufear
Feb 27th, 2008
05:03:27 PM
When I heard that the WGA strike essentially "killed" this project, I was overjoyed.. now it seems we're all right back at square one.

What will it take to convince WB about the suck factor of this god awful cinematic atrocity? Do they know something that we don't? Shouldn't it be obvious to them that they're fucking up in every possible way that there IS to fuck up?

Isn't it awesome how the fate of superheroes in cinema fell upon the time it took for hollywood writers to sort their shit out?

......
by Spacekicker2001
Feb 27th, 2008
05:04:17 PM
it's adam brody...not adrian, and adam actually works in my mind. It all comes down to who's writing this mutha
I am so conflicted..
by ckone
Feb 27th, 2008
05:08:24 PM
On one hand I REALLY want to see a JLA movie. With todays effects the way they are, it could be amazing. And I am of the mind that superman and Batman only need to be hinted at in this film for it to work. Yes it would be great if Bale and Routh were in the roles, but that ain't gonna happen. It still could work rather amazingly if those two took a less prominent role in the first movie. On the other hand, aside from the director, everything else that has been decided smacks of the "F4-ization" of JLA. Kind of a "slap it together for a quick buck and if it rakes in the dough we'll make another to rake in more" type thing. We all must realise that the unfortunate success of F4 , did not go unnoticed by the powers that be at WB. And Marvel has them by the balls with all the movies they have slated and ready to go. WB must be thinking, if JLA goes well, they spin off all the movies from there...if not, they can pack up and go home for a while and not have invested 4 times the money in four seperate films...I don't agree, but I can see why they are doing it. I just want it to be ASS KICKING GOOD.
Go Gale
by Scorecard
Feb 27th, 2008
05:09:02 PM
Ive done quite a bit of work with Megs here in Aus with catwalk stuff... She's not only gorgeous, but a nice girl to boot - Her scoring this role couldn't have happened to a better person... Go Model Go!
ADRIEN BRODY AS ELONGATED MAN!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 27th, 2008
05:09:19 PM
Haha! Look at the nose!!
Fuck. The Strike was great for this project
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
05:09:57 PM
it killed it. or delayed it at least, even long enough for The Dark Knight which would make sure that another version of Batman at the same time would be incredibly stupid.
Scorecard
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
05:10:37 PM
What are you a 14 year old girl?
writers
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
05:11:14 PM
Kieran and Michele (one L) Mulroney are a husband and wife. Kieran is an actor who has done TV and some movies and is Dermot Mulroney's brother. He has no experience writing (according to IMDB) Michele (one L) has one writing credit; some film called "Sunny and Share Love You". She has no work prior to last year.

These are the ones writing the JLA script.

I wish I was making all of that up.
Vern....And George Miller...
by micturatingbenjamin
Feb 27th, 2008
05:12:47 PM
I think the guy's lost his touch for edgy action flicks. I too saw Babe and Babe 2. He's mellowed, and I'm not afraid to say that.

That said, WB are looking for a kiddie movie guy to make a WB Kids version of the JLA, with kids playing the parts, to boot. So here's my analogy.

If I tell you Emeril Lagasse is going to make me a pie, and his ingredients are clotted vaginal blood, rotting zombie flesh, sweat from a buffalo's balls, and parsley, I'm not really excited about the pie he's gonna bake up for me.

My greatest worry is that the guys holding the purse strings are going to fuck about with the flick script changes for licensing rights and toy ideas, and Miller's just the guy to say 'Whatever you say, fellas, I'm not emotionally invested in the characters or the property, do whatever the hell you want with it!'.

He's not the creator, nor does he seem to give a fuck what's up with these characters, as evinced by the hiring of fucking COMMON to be John Stewart, and the two kids he's got for Flash and fucking kids he's gonna hire for Batman...fuck this vaginal blood pie right in its ass. Sorry, I have no faith in this....I'm moving for a vote of no confidence. Just like Amidala. :)

OKAY ... SO THOSE ARE THE WRITERS, EH?
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 27th, 2008
05:13:52 PM
Wow this will be such utter shit. Like there's no one better qualified to write a JLA movie? Like, say, someone who writes FUCKING COMIC BOOKS!??!
Im with ckone
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
05:16:28 PM
Smells like WB wants to start the WW, Flash, and GL franchises all at the same time, see which character is most popular, thenmake the spinoff for more cash.

Terrible.

If they want to fit all these characters in, I'd be down for "Pulp Fiction" narrative, with each of the heroes in separate stories that intertwine somehow. No Batman, no Superman, no League, not yet.

God, I hate this project.
You know,
by Archive
Feb 27th, 2008
05:22:20 PM
seeing a studio choose to take it's time, instead of rushing headlong into damnation from a place of fear, is a very good sign that they may have something, and that the managers know what they are doing. One option would have been to poop this out and have somehting in the strike vaccuum to release, to show the stockholders that the company is making the best of a bad situation. Instead they bided their time, held on, and waited until they could get the right people involved. I'm not a Justice League advocate - actually, this is the first piece of news that leads me to believe this may be something cool.
Doomed for a multitude of obvious sensible rsns
by quantize
Feb 27th, 2008
05:22:25 PM
No matter how much faith you put in Miller...we're still yet to see an utterly convincing, engaging superhero movie..and if anything, despite the slightly better X-Men and Batman attempts, all they do is set a precedent that nobody...particularly with a cast and plot unrelated to the still fairly fresh other franchises..can overcome. This is sure to be a bimbo teen fest and most likely aimed at children
Archive
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
05:28:08 PM
what the fuck? You just described the exact opposite of this project. You fucking idiot. Waited? You mean rushing in post strike to make a movie that could derail Nolan's incredible franchise? You call that waiting? And the right people involved? A supermodel with no acting experience as Wonder Woman, a rapper and not even a good one as Green Lantern, a dude from the oc who plays the same fucking character in everything he does as the flash and a 21 yr old nancy as fucking Batman. You sir are a cunt.
Messi
by Scorecard
Feb 27th, 2008
05:31:48 PM
Yeah, and I throw up after every meal... Way to stereotype, wanker.
quantize
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
05:32:37 PM
Most people think batman begins was a convincing and engaging superhero movie. actually it wasn't. because it was more like a drama about a dude who dresses like a bat and fights criminals. Not really a superhero film.
HARMIN JAMMY JR.
by Kurzinski Valentine
Feb 27th, 2008
05:33:24 PM
Scorecard
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
05:33:48 PM
Read what you wrote and you sound like the pansy 'omg i am so excited for megan gale because she's a great model and she'll make a great actress' how can you at all support having an unexperienced actress who is a model as wonder woman in such a piece of shit project.
Brians Life
by Wormie1
Feb 27th, 2008
05:35:14 PM
Christian Bale has publically said he is not interested in doing JLA. My point is that if this film showed any promise, the guy who successfully plays Batman in the current series would possibly be keen to play that same role in JLA. In fact, audiences would expect the same actor to play the role in JLA, rather than the unknown Armie Hammer.
OF CUNTS AND WANKERS: WHEN BRITS FIGHT
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 27th, 2008
05:35:15 PM
Bloody brilliant!
Archive
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
05:35:36 PM
really?




really?



You know it has Common in it, right?



Common.
Thus film will be more stupid than No Country
by MrJJonz
Feb 27th, 2008
05:37:07 PM
winning best adapted screenplay over Diving Bell and The Butterfly
Megan Gale has no experience?
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
05:38:25 PM
But she smiles so pretty... and looks so Greek... CHARLIZE THERON please!
Or this film
by MrJJonz
Feb 27th, 2008
05:38:59 PM
take your pick
Gregory Novak = Dumb Cunt
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
05:39:24 PM
The cunt has no idea what he's doing as the DC Media guy, absolutely no idea. Read his interviews, he is clueless and has no idea how to approach things. If I was the DC media guy this project would not happen and I wouldn't hire the homosexual showrunner of brothers and sisters to direct DC's Manliest character in Green Lantern.
I COULD SEE BARACK OBAMA AS GREEN LANTERN
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 27th, 2008
05:39:26 PM
Too bad he's gonna be President.
filmdrunk.com
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
05:40:41 PM
Armie Hammer, someone else I've never heard of, will be playing the part of Batman. He's supposedly 6'5", but he's also named after Baking Soda so I'm pretty sure he's a huge pussy.

Actually, he's named after his great grandfather, Armand Hammer. Why he'd choose to go by Armie rather than Army boggles the mind, but as far as the origin of the name:

According to Carl Blumay, his biographer and former press agent, Hammer was named after the "Arm and Hammer" symbol of the Socialist Labor Party (SLP), in which his father, a committed socialist, had a leadership role at one time. [Wiki]

Awesome, maybe they should recast Superman as Hitler, put a swastika on his chest, and rename the movie Jew-Killing League of America Haters. Jerks.


by The Brains
Feb 27th, 2008
05:40:46 PM
Kieran and Michele Mulroney also did a rewrite of the "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" script. Samuel Fulmer- I wouldn't say those Miller movies were bad, but just very commercial/mainstream. You made a good point- he has never tackled anything as serious as Philip Kaufman's body of work. Miller is just a very capable mainstream director.
Messi
by Scorecard
Feb 27th, 2008
05:40:49 PM
I'll support her coz she's a local and when I hung out with her, she was nice... No other reason - Couldn't give a shit whether she was working on a D-Grade Student film or a high budget hollywood movie...
Wormie1 actually Bale said
by messi
Feb 27th, 2008
05:41:53 PM
that he expects he'll be playing Batman till he's 50 and he's ok with that. What he's not ok with is making a different batman in another movie whilst such a great franchise is already happening.
Vern and Nightmare
by Musicballs
Feb 27th, 2008
05:42:41 PM
Has anyone read Vern's recent review of Nightmare on Elm Street? That part where he describes Michael Bay's Freddy nightmare is the funniest fucking thing I've read in a long time.
Scorecard
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
05:45:50 PM
Are you a WW fan? Would she be any good in the role? She looks sweet as candy to me. I need to see her in motion before I can fantasi-- I mean, "imagine" her as Wonder Woman.
Better Common than 50 Cent
by Stalkeye
Feb 27th, 2008
05:46:02 PM
Although I liked John Stewart in the JL/U animated series, I'd rather have Hal Jordan in the Movie adaptation, but Common was ok in Smokin Aces which was a disapointing film albiet better than Shoot 'em up.

Anyways bring on Hawkman, teh hell with Aquaman. And it can't be nealy as bad as the 1990's JL (CBS) pilot which I can only watch the first 10 minutes before turning my DVD player off. I'm somewhat optimistic that this may be actually good.We can't really judge a product till it's actually finished now can we? Remember Tim Burton's Batman?

Bloody Hell... get Keaton in this movie!
by Demode
Feb 27th, 2008
05:47:14 PM
Get Keaton in there as an old Batman, and throw in Routh as Superman. Lets get some sort of film continuity going on in these DC films. I know I would kill to see the original Batman movie's Batmobile on screen again. Casting a model like Arm & Hammmer ids just asking for trouble.
Samurai
by Scorecard
Feb 27th, 2008
05:48:29 PM
...Dude, she's an Amazon incarnate... Gorgeous, amazing look - But she's got a rough as guts edge when she wants to... I think she'll kick ass...
Here's the choice
by half vader
Feb 27th, 2008
05:51:03 PM
This film is important to DC and Warners. It will get made.

Miller directing it (even if his hands are tied with the marketing-directed casting) means they didn't hire some fuckwit. Wanna roll the dice again, fuckos?!

And as far as "getting it right" goes, the only way to marginally do that is the dumb simple thing of making the character visually match the drawings in the comic (as in general fave artist). Not saying that Iron Man will be lousy at all, just that it's a canny move. "Oh! Look! You can SEE they're doing it right!" 'Cause God knows you fanboys fight amongst themselves/ourselves so much you're never going to please everyone with the story/interpretation of the character. Even within the comics themselves.

P.S. What's with Batman's "bra" in that Dark Knight costume? Does it cover the nipples?

Half Vader is right...
by Scorecard
Feb 27th, 2008
05:57:09 PM
...You guys bitch and moan no matter WHAT happens - Right or wrong - Good or Bad - There's always something for you to cry into your cereal over...
Agreed.
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
06:00:27 PM
The only time you guys DON'T throw around hate is when something legit. deserves it...ie Transformers or Spidey 3.

There are obviously exceptions, but most of you sheeple just jump on the bandwagon of the guy that yelled "FIRST" (which is gay and always has been)
JLA Musical
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
06:02:01 PM
Thats the big secret they're not telling us about this project, it's a musical. Featuring the hits "I Wanna Save Somebody", "Do You Like My New Costume?", and "Suck", written by Elton John and Tim Rice, and featuring Common.





Common .
Messi...don't we usually agree?!?!
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
06:05:00 PM
Not that we're on completely diff. pages here. I think that most of the news that's come out has been pretty shitty...but I'm optimistic.

It seems like you want this project GONE now.

Pickin' up books today?
samurai sark
by The Brains
Feb 27th, 2008
06:05:18 PM
You're right. I read that there's a scene where Wonder Woman starts singing "Boogie Wonderland" and the JL men start fluttering around her, drooling.
Brian's Life, Scorecard, Half Vader
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
06:05:46 PM
This movie will blow. Why? because of poor decision making. Comic fans want great, well made, entertaining movies for the same reason rich guys want nice cars.

You really think we'd complin if it looked good?

Look
by JTStyler
Feb 27th, 2008
06:06:29 PM
Firstly, there is more to that Flash scene than just 'action.' Secondly where we differ is that I believe that all those GL subplots in JLU did nothing to enamour me of the character, they were entertaining but I left each of those scenes with more feeling towards Shayera/Vixen. Lastly, you seem to be missing my point. To return to your original point, people are not wrong to want a white GL or a black GL in JLA, it all depends on taste, but my personal preference is for Hal Jordan in the spin-off for the reasons stated and I am not fussed which Lantern is in the JLA.
Hmmmm...he REALLY is 21!?!?!
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
06:06:52 PM
Wow. I thought people were tossing around the "Armie Hammer is 21" as a generic sign of his youth...but nope.

I'm 27 and I think that I'M too young to play BATMAN!!! SHIT!

Where's my bottle of Dewars!!!!?!?!
Vanessa Hudgens
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
06:09:09 PM
to play Wonder Woman in the JLAMusical. Co-starring the golden razor of truth. Common to play 50cent to play DMX to play Biz Markie as "Green Lantern" Zac Efron to play "Fag".
Watchmen
by Friendo
Feb 27th, 2008
06:10:50 PM
If JLA is a campy big-screen abortion I won't care. It would almost be more enjoyable that way, then a carefully calibrated piece of superhero cinema that raises the bar etc etc etc. Zzzzzzzzz..... If it's going to suck, hopefully it sucks long and hard and spectacularly. - - The important thing is that Watchmen hits theaters first and that it (hopefully) DOES raise the bar and do justice to a superhero comic that actually can and does lay claim to some well-deserved literary status. - - Fingers crossed on all counts. - - now, continue your sanctimonious ungrateful pissing and moaning.
Samuai...I know more about comics than you ever will..
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
06:11:13 PM
Deal with it. How do I know that? Just as simply as you know this movie is gonna blow: I made it up.

I KNOW what comic fans want, Sark. I am one.

How immersed are you in the JLA decision making, pal?

Just looking for some consistency and my point was that there is SO MUCH fucking hate for this movie when it's god a good director attached to it and most of you were frothing at the mouth to defend TINO when we had seen ALOT more damning information about that.
And yeah...
by Brians Life
Feb 27th, 2008
06:13:32 PM
...I do think you'd complain if it looked good.
Brian
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
06:24:10 PM
whats your favorite comic/character/team/story, whatever. What's your favorite?
Im with Brians Life...
by Scorecard
Feb 27th, 2008
06:32:05 PM
...Yes - I DO think you'd complain... anything from "Too Shiny" to "Wrong Look" to "Wrong Voice" to "Bad effects" to "In-accurate story line"... It's fuck'n ridiculous what you guys find to moan about... So yeah, I do think you'd complain...
As much as I dread this miserable pile...
by micturatingbenjamin
Feb 27th, 2008
06:34:00 PM
I will gladly eat crow if there's something within these children that becomes a fucking superhero movie. It's a bad move to go up against TDK, which I think will pretty much fucking rule. Begins was dope, and I will give this ONE full TRAILER to get me on board. That's all it will take for me to know if it's going to work.

It's called thin-slicing, and it's a valid form of decision making. I hope to eat crow, but I have a feeling this will be shit pie.

Nah,
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
06:37:42 PM
I don't complain about everything. You want a list of what I think is good? Any fun there?

So if I told you X-men 4 was being directed by the guy that did Charolettes web, Starring Johnny Knoxville as Wolverine, and 50cent as Bishop, YOU wouldn't complain?

The only reason I care so much about nit-picking this project is because I (along with many other fans) believe this is simply a cash cow designed to capitalize on great fictional characters without giving them any respect.

Samurai
by Scorecard
Feb 27th, 2008
06:41:46 PM
Oh give me a break.... "I believe this is simply a cash cow designed to capitalize on great fictional characters without giving them any respect"... They're made up comic book characters - This isn't Elizabeth The Golden Age - It's men in tights fighting evil... Even the great fictional characters you've come to love have been revamped and revised throughout the years they've existed on paper... What hollywood movie ISN'T a cash cow designed to capatalize? You sound like a first year screen studies student...
studios read the web
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
06:42:06 PM
I want them to know there is little to no love for this project. Even those who support it lean on the "Lets just wait and see". Does that sound like enthusiasm?

Watchmen will be great because they are giving the characters respect, casting appropraitely and filming carefully. This movie is expected to be re-written, casted, filmed, and finish post production BY 2009.

Piss poor planning. They can do better.

And so I complain.
scorecard
by samurai sark
Feb 27th, 2008
06:45