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Michael Mann's PUBLIC ENEMIES gets more gangsters!

GUHHHH! by occula	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:10:15 AM
that is the sound of me dampening my panties over this project...
Second! by Tomo	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:15:42 AM
Slaps self in face Sorry. Got over excited....
morning xi by occula	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:19:23 AM
if we know michael mann, it will be about: people getting shot people glaring moodily into the darkness and people managing to look cool without trying very hard. damn the man's got style!
Anything with Mann Is good! by Darth_Kaos	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:20:18 AM
And with Depp? Man oh man I'm looking forward to this Bay-Boy!
Sounds like.. by greyspecter	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:21:50 AM
a Depper ensemble. Sorry, I had to.
I'll defend Miami Vice until the day I die by rhcp2sweet	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:22:31 AM
I still think that movie was pretty solid.
After this, give me Miami Vice 2 by Spandau Belly	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:23:26 AM
I know I'll be the only one who'll go to see it, but if you make one person smile isn't that enough? Huh Michael? This is my Christmas wish.
Sounds great! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:23:44 AM
And that is one heck of a cast. I'd love to see Mann get back on the awesome-horse after that over-stylized misfire, MIAMI VICE.
Okay, rhcp2sweet will see it also. by Spandau Belly	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:24:18 AM
See you there, bud. I'll be "the other person", look for me.
I've Typed It Before by Aquatarkusman	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:26:53 AM
But everyone needs to check out Dillinger, directed by a young John Milius, for some great, pulpy gangsterism. Warren Oates as Dillinger, Ben Johnson as a badass G-man (Melvin Purvis), and Harry Dean Stanton's in it. BTW, this is what Dillinger looked like http://www.troydillinger.com/i mages/dillinger.jpg; definitely more Oatesish than Deppish.
humour please by Mr Gorilla	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:27:35 AM
i really love michael mann, but I did think that miami vice was a little po-faced, and therefore you couldn't help laughing at it a bit... not that everyone needs to be funny like tarantino and scorsese, but humour is a part of life after all.
holy wow by kafka07	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:29:48 AM
awesome
No Dane Cook? WTF! by irrelevntelefant	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:31:55 AM

I too will defend Miami Vice by ZoeFan	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:39:45 AM
I still haven't figured out why people didn't like it. I really don't know what people were expecting. But what we did get was a pretty real action movie.
s'up pal by occula	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:04:19 AM
oh, you know, sitting around sewing shit. today it's ballet costumes. yep, i'm ghey as a three-dollar bill. i liked miami vice, too. i liked the mullet, i liked the sturm und drang, i liked the shoulder pads. i didn't really like gong li coz she looked kind of haggard. perhaps the gentlemen on this board would have liked it better if salma had played her character, hmmm? ;)
Hetero-man crush overload! by I Dunno	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:06:05 AM
You know it to be true. Miami Vice was okay except for the shitty cover of "In the Air Tonight".
when's the release date for this? by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:11:40 AM
that's all that matters
This is England by frongbak	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:17:43 AM
Just watched This is England last night, great fuggin flick, and Stephen Graham is outstanding. David Wenham was really good in The Proposition as well. I love all Michael Mann but this sounds like a career topper right along with Heat and Last of the Mohicans
sounds good by sith_rising	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:33:01 AM
better be a bloodbath. I want Last Man Standing to meet Heat.
but, see, i like dirty and sweaty by occula	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:33:16 AM
i think i have a colin farrell thing. i know, i should take a bath just for saying it.
Christian Bale and David Wenham by Aethyrr	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:36:44 AM
That's good casting. The rest.. eh
I would like to see a movie called Tommy Gun by The Funketeer	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:49:51 AM
And everyone would carry tommy guns and shoot them all the time because tommy guns automatically make a film cool.
Vice Commentary by THE KNIGHT	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:50:55 AM
listen to it, Mannis gold. I can't wait to see his interpretation of 30s period details!
STEPHEN DORFF!!! by kikuchiyoboy	Feb 22nd, 2008 11:53:36 AM
He's usually the kiss of death to a film save for Blade. I wonder what Mann can bring out of him.
step up guy ruins it for me. by GQtaste	Feb 22nd, 2008 12:38:00 PM
w/ that dream cast they have to go and fuck it up w/ the fairy.
Miami Vice was unintentional comedy. by Christopher3	Feb 22nd, 2008 12:48:02 PM
I dunno if Colin Farrell was improvising or what, but I was struggling not to laugh whenever he opened his mouth.
great cast by Ray Gamma	Feb 22nd, 2008 01:01:55 PM
Michael Mann is great, even when he makes a dull movie occasionally, he still makes a beautiful dull movie. But I'm looking out for this one.
WOW. THIS MOVIE CAN'T COME OUT SOON ENOUGH. by BringingSexyBack	Feb 22nd, 2008 01:24:32 PM
Not crazy about Dorff, but the rest of the cast is stellar, to put it mildly. Let's just forget Miami Vice ever happened. David Wenham is amazing, good to see him getting work. Although Karl Urban should get some good roles too.
Its a remake, Quint. by Uncapie	Feb 22nd, 2008 01:29:33 PM
It was done before by John Milius at American International Pictures in 1974 and it was called, "Dillinger" with Warren Oats in the lead.
Sounds very Exciting. I Love Menn by George Newman	Feb 22nd, 2008 01:34:34 PM
MANN!! I meant, MANN!
This movie will rock! by otm shank	Feb 22nd, 2008 02:13:26 PM
Michael Mann brings the goods. Cast is excellent. Hope it's R-rated. And I'll give a little love for Miami Vice. I rather enjoyed it.
sounds cool, but Pretty Boy AND Baby Face? by mansep	Feb 22nd, 2008 02:16:23 PM
cmon... one cliche name maybe you can get away with.. but not 2... it's lazy and embarrassing
So, the question is... by Tourist	Feb 22nd, 2008 02:17:51 PM
...How will Mann wedge in his bizare fetish for shitty 80's synth rock, and ugly big shouldered grey suits with matching hair? Not to mention his need for everything to look like it was trying to be part of a kitchen furnishings catalouge. Good idea, fucking great cast. Shame about Manns involvement, although I guess it wouldn't be getting off the ground without him.
mansep... by troutpencil	Feb 22nd, 2008 02:24:40 PM
You know... They were REAL people... right? Pretty Boy Floyd and Baby Face Nelson actually lived, believe it or not, and this movie is about them. You know that, right? I hope so. And Tourist, what about The Last of the Mohicans you tasteless jackass? Honestly, if you frequent a movie site but hate Michael Mann, there's something weird going on. Michael Mann is filmatistic auteur genius incarnate.
I also expect... by Tourist	Feb 22nd, 2008 02:24:46 PM
...Like Heat, and Collateral, and Thief and pretty much damn near anything this guy touches, the project will be meticulously researched, so that Michael Mann can discuss all the amazing details in the commentary and not actually have to put them up on the screen, where they will ruin his plan to make everything (despite his technical brilliance) look like bad 80's TV. Someone needs to give the guy some magazines and CD's post 1986. Maybe take him to a mall. Is he like the bubble boy or something?
Michael Mann... by Tourist	Feb 22nd, 2008 02:28:51 PM
Can cast a movie, and direct that cast amazingly. He can also bring together his crews to shoot, edit, choreograph, score, etc his films perfectly. No doubt. He also, even in projects he doesn't originate, able to literally drown in fascinating research. Unfortunately, he has fucking appalling, horrible taste, that seeps through into every creative decision. You just have to listen to his concept for Heat, and his research, and then look at whats on the screen. It sucks. Imagine if Fincher had shot Zodiac with moody gothic buildings or rain drenched streets.
this sounds too good to be true, but.. by Ace of Knaves	Feb 22nd, 2008 02:56:54 PM
what we really need on the period crime front is a good picture on the manhattan beer wars, ed norton as legs diamond, damon or dicaprio as mad dog coll, and james macavoy as dutch schultz
At least three dozen TBers have gone gay b/c of this news... by AdrianVeidt	Feb 22nd, 2008 03:36:17 PM
...and I'm one of them. Talking about man-crush overload. How do you NOT get a little gayer with this cast in front of you?
i hang my head with the shame of ignorance. by mansep	Feb 22nd, 2008 03:36:59 PM
sorry troutpencil... i didn't realise this was a true story!
MICHAEL MANN FTW by FlyinHawaiian	Feb 22nd, 2008 04:05:47 PM
This is amazing. And to think that after this, he's doing FRANKIE MACHINE. FUCK YEAH!
Sounds like the movie Mobsters....only a good movie. by Reel American Hero	Feb 22nd, 2008 04:05:48 PM
Anyone remember that, flick was like a wannabe Young Guns but subbing in 30's gangsters for the wild west regulators.
Maybe finally a period piece from this era not in sepia by modlight	Feb 22nd, 2008 04:35:41 PM
Ever since the Godfather 2 people have been shooting the early 20th centure like Mother Earth was chainsmoking in her apartment and forgot to open the windows. Go Michael Mann!!!
Christopher3 by Scrolly	Feb 22nd, 2008 05:34:51 PM
You couldn't be more right. Miami Vice is one of the funnies movies ever made. As an unintentional comedy it is pure genius.
funnies == Funniest by Scrolly	Feb 22nd, 2008 05:35:38 PM

I am with you on the Miami Vice sequel...... by travis-dane	Feb 22nd, 2008 06:13:14 PM
First to buy a ticket!
Is he shooting this on film? by Det. John Kimble	Feb 22nd, 2008 06:20:02 PM
Or is sticking with digital?
Is that Michael Mann tv show thing any good? by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Feb 22nd, 2008 06:21:31 PM
The cop tv show, I can't think of the name at the moment but I'd like some opinions on whether it's worth taking the time to watch or if it's too outdated, being an 80s television show and all. Other than twin peaks and x-files, television was never really watchable for me until 24 and the like came around.
STEPHEN GRAHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YEAH!!!!!!! by messi	Feb 22nd, 2008 07:05:17 PM
FUCK YEAH!!!!! This guy gave the best supporting performance of the year(yes he OWNED Bardem) and one of the best british, hell one of the best performances of any type of the last 20 years in This is England. Up there with the best of Bale, Day-Lewis, Mortenson, Deniro.
not like "mobsters" because by Ace of Knaves	Feb 22nd, 2008 07:07:49 PM
that movie had then-flavors-of the month cast in the leads and was about the birth of the national crime syndicate in new york, this has established good actors who happen to be good looking cast as the roaming midwestern bandits, who weren't exactly "the mob"
This movie is sounding so bad-ass, words cannot describe by Kragmose	Feb 22nd, 2008 07:14:50 PM
Really.
Christopher 3 and the rest by frongbak	Feb 22nd, 2008 08:10:10 PM
Hate on Mann all you like but don't bitch about 98% of the shite that comes out of "Hollywood" systems films, b/c he is an honet to guy genius who has control over the final output and ALWAYS puts out an interesting film whether you fing it worthy or not. BTW give Tatum a chance, his performance in Stop/Loss looks to be the real deal.
Michael Mann by Se7enSamurai	Feb 22nd, 2008 08:39:33 PM
I'm pretty sure this movie is gonna get into my top movies list. Even with Colin Farrell in Vice we still got one hell of a movie. Just image with Depp and Bale...good lord.
How can you defend Miami Vice?,,, by DanielKurland	Feb 22nd, 2008 08:40:52 PM
I love Michael Mann, but that was one of the few movies in my life that I wanted to walk out of. I don't know how you can make a movie that seemed to be primarily gun fights be boring as hell.
Dorff? by BadMrWonka	Feb 22nd, 2008 09:29:14 PM
everything else looks great, though...
frongbak (and Colin Farrells Mouth) by Scrolly	Feb 22nd, 2008 10:44:46 PM
I don't hate Mann at all. Infact he is one of my favorite directors. I worship Heat and The Insider. However, I happen to think Miami Vice is beyond embarrassing. Go figure. Here, I'll ruin it for you: Next time you watch it keep an eye on Colin Farrell's mouth. Seriously. Watch what he does with his mouth. There, I've shown you how bad the film is and I didn't even need to mention the dumb-ass-predictable-plotting or the oh-so-too-serious direction. Muhahahahah.
Stephen Graham... by Tourist	Feb 23rd, 2008 01:29:31 AM
...Didn't own Bardem, or Affleck. Although very good in the role (helps to be working with Shane Meadows), he had the Neo Nazi boost. Its undeniable. Norton, Crowe, Ben Foster, Ryan Gosling. Theres something about being an angry skinhead which immediately elevates your performance, sorta like getting fat or thin for a role. Don't know why. Anyway, that whole cast is amazing. Tatum was pretty much dead weight next to LeBouf in that New Yaaawk, mean streats rip off they did, but I really want to check out Stop Loss.
David Wenhem is voice over king! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 23rd, 2008 02:14:29 AM
He has very nice melodic tones to listen too.
Stephen Graham did own Bardem by messi	Feb 23rd, 2008 02:41:47 AM
because Bardem 'Acted' a character, people know when an actor 'acts' but they hardly see when an actor becomes a character with all the subtleties and nuances, that's what Graham did. Incredible performance. Did what acting is, become someone else entirely.
Or... by Tourist	Feb 23rd, 2008 02:51:13 AM
...He just didn't do anything. Thats another way of looking at it. Bardems role is going to be iconic. Afflecks role was extremely layered and communicated so much just through body language, but it was really a leading role. Grahams was just showy because he got to swagger and yell. Note, I still think he was great and deserves the attention.
Michael Mann fracking rocks! by Motoko Kusanagi	Feb 23rd, 2008 03:45:16 AM
Everything he touches turns into movie gold!
Sounds good. by Edward_nygma	Feb 23rd, 2008 06:04:48 AM
Graham is fucking terrifying in This Is England.
Scrolly.... by ZoeFan	Feb 23rd, 2008 07:32:28 AM
So Miami Vice sucked because of Colin Ferrell's mouth??? That almost makes sence. I'm still waiting for a valid reason why Miami Vice sucked...
Tourist, agreed about Mann's poor taste by Bobo_Vision	Feb 23rd, 2008 08:39:15 AM
I love him as a director, but I must agree that his visual and aesthetic taste can be abysmal at times. Heat is a good movie, but visually, it has a dull and depressing feel, and that dull and depressing feel was so overwhelming in the Miami Vice movie that it sunk it completely. Plus, personally, I think Ferrell stinks as an actor. If Ferrell plays a two-bit crook or criminal, he might be able to pull it off because he has that slimy douchebag quality, but giving him iconic roles from television past or world history just does not fly.
Oh, and Tourist... by Bobo_Vision	Feb 23rd, 2008 08:42:51 AM
...don't check out Stop Loss. It sucks major ass, I've reviewed an early screening on this site. And Channing Tatum proved to me that he's a one note wonder who consistently plays meatheads with anger issues.
Oh man by Creasy	Feb 23rd, 2008 08:46:30 AM
Oh man, I was the biggest Mann fan... Heat and Mohicans are two of my all time favourites. Usually I would die for a new movie by him.. But the (very) sad thing is that all his new movies are gonna suck no matter what, just because he uses digital cameras. They just look so fucking awful and horrible. It's really a shame.
please be better than miami vice!!!! by Spoiler_Man	Feb 23rd, 2008 09:26:17 AM
coz that movie SUCKED
Homer Van Meter... by StarskyandHushky	Feb 23rd, 2008 10:17:40 AM
Fake Dutch-sounding names are fun....They always get them just a little bit wrong, making them sound stupid ...There is no such name as 'van Meter'
Creasy... by ZoeFan	Feb 23rd, 2008 10:47:01 AM
I agree with you 98%. The digital look doesn't work for me either...EXCEPT in Miami Vice, which according to Mann, he was going for a "COPS Look". If that's what he was going for, it worked. He's also said he's not against using film. He says he'll use the medium that suits the situation. So film could (hope and pray) be used in PUBLIC ENEMIES.
otm shank...Wouldn't worry about the rating.. by Quake II	Feb 23rd, 2008 12:25:37 PM
Mann only makes R rated films, and a Mann gangster film will most likely be a "hard" R.
Bardem or Graham over for dinner? by Garbage	Feb 23rd, 2008 02:36:59 PM
In their respective characters? Although I find neo-Nazism abhorrent, Graham, I imagine, would be far more entertaining a guest. You wouldn't have to seat him strategically--he'd talk to anyone, and not even (necessarily) about immigrants. Bardem would be less likely to say something that would offend your other guests; however, he'd probably be sulky (perhaps insulting others by his refusal to comment on current events, etc.), refuse dessert and/or coffee, and then dispatch everyone with his stun gun/oxygen tank. So for me it'd be Graham--I'd take a little controversy, and perhaps risk losing a few friends, over a bloodbath.
Mann, Oh my! by MirageIII4ever	Feb 23rd, 2008 03:06:56 PM
Good news, I have the greates regard for Heat and The Insider. It will be interesting what the sondtrack will sound. You know, there was no pop-ambient-thecno music in the 20´s. Good news indeed
Get baby face..... by DirkD13"	Feb 23rd, 2008 03:48:00 PM
get baby face, get baby face, get baby face, get baby face, get baby face, get baby face, get baby face....wait a minute I AM baby face.
Looks like a classic in the making. by Knuckleduster	Feb 23rd, 2008 04:26:06 PM
I loved Miami Vice, by the way. Love how Mann always hits the ground running in his storytelling. Still think Ali is his most underrated film.
ZoeFan by Scrolly	Feb 23rd, 2008 05:15:54 PM
I thought I gave you some "valid" reasons why Miami Vice sucked: the plot is the most over done set of tired cliches imaginable and the direction is so ponderously serious in tone its funny. Oh yeah, the zoot suits Farrell and Fox wear don't help either. If Mann had hired Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson it would have been a great comedy.
ZoeFan by Scrolly	Feb 23rd, 2008 06:03:03 PM
Hey, don't get me wrong....I love Michael Manns films and I don't want to be viewed as a hater. I just think Vice and Collateral are the low points in his career. Fingers crossed for PUBLIC ENEMIES.
Public Enemies by David45	Feb 23rd, 2008 06:32:57 PM
This was a greta book that caovers the 1930 era bank robbers including everyone from Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde and so on... I wonder if Mann is going to include ant of the others beside the Dillnger gang....I sure hope so. Read the book it is excellent. I always felt that the book would make a great mini series like on HBO or Showtime....
I'm not hating on Mann. I just thought Farrell was hilarious. by Christopher3	Feb 23rd, 2008 06:40:46 PM
And I loved "Collateral."
Scrolly... by ZoeFan	Feb 23rd, 2008 09:19:10 PM
You or anyone else is allowed to not like a movie including Miami Vice. The problem I have is 99% of the time people say, "It sucked", "It wasn't believable" or "It was boring" and leave it at that. Well that's not really saying why it sucked, it wasn't believable or it was boring. If the plot didn't work for you because it was "cliched" fine. In my opinion, there isn't a situation that a real vice cop would be in that wouldn't be considered a cliche. So then it's Mann's job to make me forget the cliche and make it interesting with details. Which for me, he did. By the way, I don't look at you as a hater. Nor should anyone else, especially after you explained your problems with the film. Haters just critisize without reason.
as luck would have it by Ace of Knaves	Feb 23rd, 2008 09:42:44 PM
i came across the book today at athrift store for one dollar.. promising material depp dont look like no johnny dillinger but where are you gonna find another warren oates
The guy who played Miami Vice straight by skywalkerfamily	Feb 23rd, 2008 10:37:51 PM
deserves to be kicked in the nuts.
ZoeFan by Scrolly	Feb 23rd, 2008 11:05:13 PM
Good comments. We can agree to disagree. Respect. I'm going to have to find the book that Public Enemies is based on, sounds like good material for Mann to work with.
This will be good because... by BurgerKing	Feb 24th, 2008 12:02:39 AM
Mann rocked it with Collateral, then fucked up Vice and now he's clearly set straight to make this one good. So with this mentality, just watch out for whatever he releases after this... This theory helps me sleep at night anyway
STEPHEN DORFF by NoHubris	Feb 24th, 2008 12:18:11 AM
He was strong and very believable as Lewis Smythe in NANKING. With this film, we could looking at a second act for Dorff.
Will they show Clyde Darrow being "abused" in prison? by JackRabbitSlim	Feb 24th, 2008 05:47:05 AM
Because according to the book I'm assuming this was based on Public Enemies by Bryan Burrough Darrow was put into protective custody first time in the pen at 19 or so (before he was really naughty) aka he was a bitch. Oh yeah - and Ma Barker was pretty much a dumb Okie who never committed a crime and was shot down pretty much cuz she was the Barker Boys mom and no other reason. And the Mafia had very little respect for any of these guys - in short read the book - interesting stuff.
Miami Vice was a bore by football	Feb 24th, 2008 06:34:14 AM
At least this sounds like a movie I want to go and see. Hopefully Mann can get off his shitstreak and get back to his winning ways
Clyde Darrow by Digby_Higgins	Feb 24th, 2008 08:02:16 PM
Is he any relation to Clyde Barrow?
this is filming where I live by jamie.ronge	Mar 5th, 2008 12:43:51 PM
This movie is filming in Columbus, Wisconsin. I'm seriously thinking about stalking the set in general. Talk about eye candy!!!

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