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by Droogie Alex
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:14:38 AM
yeah
another UK TV show nicked by the Yanks
by Maniaq
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:29:27 AM
I imagine it's only a matter of time before we see an America timelord, the way things seem to be going! At least Sewell is still British I guess. Actually, speaking of timelords, I always thought Rufus Sewell would make an excellent Dr Who - although some people might say he'd make a better Master...
what it was about
by surfprof
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:35:06 AM
Patrtick Stewart played the Government scientific advisor who was sent to investigate things as they happened and he had a female cop as a sidekick bodyguard (sort of british semi-x-files). Two of the investigations centered around cloning and a plague outbreak (the best episode). The cloning and later Global warming episodes seemed to suggest a background conspiracy also. Stewart was great as the independent minded professor and the series showed promise and could have gone on to become better if it had been pcked up again. As it was, there were only 4 episodes. They also would have been better if they were feature length as the pace was ridiculously quick at times. It was a nice idea to have a British Mulder and Scully but with a more scientific and semi-realistic storyline. Cant see it translating too well in the US as it was the Britishness that gave it a new slant. Any new version, would be more like an x-files replacement.
what it was about
by surfprof
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:36:06 AM
Patrtick Stewart played the Government scientific advisor who was sent to investigate things as they happened and he had a female cop as a sidekick bodyguard (sort of british semi-x-files). Two of the investigations centered around cloning and a plague outbreak (the best episode). The cloning and later Global warming episodes seemed to suggest a background conspiracy also. Stewart was great as the independent minded professor and the series showed promise and could have gone on to become better if it had been pcked up again. As it was, there were only 4 episodes. They also would have been better if they were feature length as the pace was ridiculously quick at times. It was a nice idea to have a British Mulder and Scully but with a more scientific and semi-realistic storyline. Cant see it translating too well in the US as it was the Britishness that gave it a new slant. Any new version, would be more like an x-files replacement.
oops double post
by surfprof
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:37:09 AM
doh!!
Sci Fi? Hello?!
by SoupSpitter
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:45:27 AM
"Eleventh Hour" was a pretty straight forward crime show. I don't remember any sci fi elements. I also thought that Patrick Stewart was rather bland in it - his character was seriously underwritten. I did like Ashley Jensen as the bodyguard, though. Compared to the current crop of excellent british series and miniseries, this was at best a minor entry. Why not adapt "Jonathan Creek"?
Sounds Intriguing
by ImFixingtoDie
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:51:33 AM
And it's about time someone gave Rufus Sewell a starring role again. A series is even better.
Also, speaking of Vanessa Marcil
by ImFixingtoDie
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:56:34 AM
Now that Las Vegas has been cancelled, CBS should get working on a JESSE STONE regular series.
He's far too young so it will involve quite a
by elab49
Feb 22nd, 2008
04:49:40 AM
reworking. Also - given the idea was nicked for that other show that was on talkback recently (which I've blanked on the name of - older male scientist, younger female cop/FBI agent - I didn't realise the US was doing a remake of this as well.
Oh - and the series didn't work over here either
by elab49
Feb 22nd, 2008
04:50:17 AM
So any remake at all is odd!
This died in the UK
by newc0253
Feb 22nd, 2008
05:20:05 AM
mainly, i think, because it was on ITV and the only people who watch ITV are chavs and soap opera fans.
Maniaq
by palewook
Feb 22nd, 2008
06:27:41 AM
"Rufus Sewell would make an excellent Dr Who"

yeah, never considered it, but you are correct.

The UK version was kind of a misfire.
by The Outlander
Feb 22nd, 2008
07:21:32 AM
The concept had potential, but it was largely unrealized and it waisted two great actors. The US version may actualy be better, but I think at best it will be another Journeyman.
You have GOT to be kidding
by The StarWolf
Feb 22nd, 2008
08:23:38 AM
Given that, with but a couple of exceptions (ALL IN THE FAMILY springs to mind), North American versions of British shows have been disasters (PAYNE, NOT MY DEPARTMENT, DC FOLLIES, etc), the U.S. show they haven't learned from their past mistakes and now want to do their own version of a failed one? I have a feeling the stench of that one will be detectable down in tasmania.
Meh: Bring back Quatermass!!
by wowsah156
Feb 22nd, 2008
08:26:39 AM
The Eleventh hour was merely a diluted tribute to Quatermass. Quatermass is god!!!
"Special Science Advisor to the Government"???
by Kid Z
Feb 22nd, 2008
09:29:54 AM
... So Sewell's playing a baptist preacher in this, then? We are talking about the Bush Administration here, you know.
It was pretty rubbish
by photoboy
Feb 22nd, 2008
10:10:49 AM
So I've no idea why you guys in the US would want to buy it and make another one. Primeval is pretty good though, even though it's just CGI dinos most of the time.
Surely, if it was so much a misfire...
by raw_bean
Feb 22nd, 2008
10:27:35 AM
... (I only saw bits of one ep when it was on) that makes it the perfect thing to remake? Everyone's complaining about how remakes of great British TV shows are always so disappointing, maybe taking an interesting idea that never quite came together and trying again to realise it's potential is the way forward? At least if it's poor, it's not going to piss off a legion of fans.

I guess I'm thinking along the lines of Battlestar Galactica. I know some people hold the original in their hearts, but since first seeing re-runs of it when I was a kid I have always thought it was absolutely dire. The new one took those ideas that were cool from it and built a brand new show that has been massively more successful and in my opinion infinitely better. Obviously for those of you who feel differently this example won't work as wel...

We're looking for John Murdoch
by Osmosis Jones
Feb 22nd, 2008
11:06:26 AM
You how much we dislike this...MOISTURE....
Why not just get Patrick Stewart to play it?
by GodMars
Feb 22nd, 2008
11:41:13 AM
Ah yes, Brit to US adaptations. Thank God for BBC America.
Eyes open
by Cobbio
Feb 22nd, 2008
12:39:38 PM
Rufus Sewell in anything grabs my attention. He was great in "Dark City" and "Amazing Grace" (loved that movie), as well as other films I can't think of right now. He's versatile, capable of evoking good or evil in equal parts, and compelling to watch onscreen.

I'd never heard of "The 11th Hour" before this, but with Sewell in the lead I'll keep my eyes open for it.

what is the fucking point
by Ray Gamma
Feb 22nd, 2008
12:51:27 PM
what is the fucking point in getting a British actor to star in a remake of an extremely recent British series which starred a British actor?

The dumbest thing about this, of all, is that Patrick Stewart is already a hugely famous face Stateside, so they may as well either 1. cast Patrick, or 2. just show the fucking British series.

Are you Yanks too stupid to understand English when it is spoken by the English? Will Rufus Sewell be required to put on a phony American accent?

p.s. I might add...
by Ray Gamma
Feb 22nd, 2008
12:53:27 PM
Rufus, if you're reading this (and I know you do), sorry, no offence, because I think you're a great actor. But, for fuck's sake?
Yeah, we nick all the best Brit crap.
by TheCap
Feb 22nd, 2008
01:53:19 PM
Like the American versions of "The Prisoner". "Are You Being Served", fish & chips, and whatever bloody buggery you bad-teeth jowling, tea swilling hacks come up with. Hey, I've got an idea ... please stop sending us your sickening game shows and talent-search sewage programs, too, while your at it, hmmm ? Long live you queens !
Why replace Stewart?
by SG7
Feb 22nd, 2008
02:26:08 PM
That makes no fucking sense. I don't even know who that other guy is.
That ain't right
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 22nd, 2008
02:45:00 PM
I am fortunate enough that my local library has all the episodes of Eleventh Hour on DVD. There were only what, four of them, but man they were great. How come this show didn't make it in the UK? Low ratings? Whatever the reason it's a shame.
Sewell is too rooted in overdoing it theatre style
by elab49
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:14:39 PM
To be on TV anyway - so suggesting Dr Who is laughable. He'd be terrible. Disagree on Office US - Gervais is a one trick writer - the US version gives depth to every character on the screen. Pretty amazing given I loathed the first season of it!
Sewell was the bomb in The Illusionist, yo
by Futureman2681
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:41:43 PM
Just watched it again the other day and he just oozes intense creepiness in that role. Also, speaking of Maggie from Extras, am I the only one that thinks she is adorable? For some reason I think she is kinda hot.
The ITV version with Patrick Stewart was pretty farkin awful.
by Fried Gold
Feb 22nd, 2008
03:45:46 PM
Poor stories, uninterested acting. It was ITVs first attempt to do something scifi after the Beeb brought Doctor Who back.
re: "TheCap"
by Ray Gamma
Feb 22nd, 2008
04:09:06 PM
The UK is not sending you our "sickening game shows". On the contrary, it just so happens that those stupid dreg shows are the only thing you stupid fucktard Americans want to import from the UK. Everybody over here knows it's shit but you dipshits lap it up.

So be a good chap old boy and eat my shit kind sir, whilst I drink tea and sip it through my 'bad teeth'. You laughable cunt.

So, SCI-FI where's the American Red Dwarf.
by C.K. Lamoo
Feb 22nd, 2008
04:19:41 PM
And not that crappy pilot with Terry Farrell, either.
Just Wait...
by tallonlarham
Feb 22nd, 2008
04:31:00 PM
till they transform "Life on Mars" into a US series. *shudder*
Terrible series! Stupid idea for a remake!
by Uncapie
Feb 22nd, 2008
06:29:03 PM
One episode had a group of people drinking water that was a supposed "cure" for cancer and yet they all got sick with far worse symptoms because the water was actually contaminated! I mean, who writes this shit? As soon as the Brits come up with any kind of series, the Yanks have to copy it. Hey, here's a fucking new idea: hire some good AMERICAN writers and come up with some good AMERICAN stories!
Sounds like Alias.
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 22nd, 2008
07:40:33 PM
ZZZZ
the Great Telly Debate
by smallPNS
Feb 22nd, 2008
08:39:19 PM
Having grown up in the early 80's at the time of the 2nd "British Invasion," I can't help but be a bit of an anglophile. Back then all the coolest bands were Brits and the cool kids were obsessed with British music. My music collection is still decidedly British tilting. Alas, kids these days no longer want to be British and talk about MADchester; they've gone back to the future and want to be black again- stealing directly from the root of Rock and R&B music.

I mention this as important background. People my age tend to be more internationalist because we were exposed to a slightly different point of view while caught up in all things British. While the R-tards were listening to Bon Jovi and Journey, my friends were listening to the Smiths, Peter Murphy, Depeche Mode, etc. sing about REAL things. We were the same weird kids who endlessly quoted Python and sampled some of the Brit shows on PBS. We kind of looked down on the kids who "didn't get it."

"What does this have to do with this thread?" they all screamed. I say this because i really don't believe the Brits and international vistors understand American culture. In general, most Americans don't give a damn about international politics OR entertainment. If it doesn't directly affect us, we don't care. I'm not saying this is good thing or that this is universal, only that it holds true for the majority of Americans. 90% of American television viewers have never watched a British television show! This does NOT include the shit-awful reality shows that have been restaged and redesigned for Americans with American hosts or the nature and history programs that are co-funded by the BBC with an American broadcaster and later re-dubbed with an American voice actor and the British "mis-spellings" removed. The only British television most Americans HAVE seen is DR. WHO, Monty Python, and the occasional period-piece or mystery on the never watched local PBS station. That's it! The limit of British broadcasting in the US. If you were to count out the people who've seen DR. WHO, Python or the newest retread of Jane Austen from the people who've watched other British shows, you'd have maybe a 1% (3 million people) audience in America for British telly. FYI, BBC America shows programs from Channel 4, ITV, and the BBC and isa not available in most markets. The few Brits over here who have seen BBC America say its a pale imitation.

America and Britain have very different cultures and tastes, our only commonality is the language we share. If we both spoke different languages this would be easier for both cultures to accept. To answer you Brits who asked if we could understand a simple difference in accent, the answer is no! Most Americans have never been exposed to the vast multitude of British accents and slang words, however, most can perfectly understand BBC Standard English without slang. To give you an idea of how little used to we are in understanding British regional dialects and slang, BBC America recommends we Yanks turn on closed captioning so that we will be able to follow the program! There is also a common slang dictionary on the main website. As far as the 2nd question of why do we remake British shows, the answer is that Americans never saw the original, no matter how good it was! Besides the cultural differences, most Americans won't watch British television because they don't want to invest time in a show that will have a total run of maybe 20 episodes spread over several years. For an American, it's like reading the 1st 2 chapters in a book, setting it down, coming back to read 2 more chapters in 6 months and continue at that rate until done. The continuity and sense of character is destroyed. This is a major cultural difference most brits don't comprehend. Imagine if the Arctic Monkeys cd had only 3 songs on it and they released new cds at the same pace as when their cds had 12-13 songs!

I don't think this will solve any lingering enmity or frustration, but I hope it does help to explain what the differences are.

ps
by smallPNS
Feb 22nd, 2008
08:52:10 PM
"The Eleventh Hour" sucked balls! Not only should there be NO American version, the British version should be destroyed in a pyre of shame. Speaking of shame, seeing how brilliantly the CBS version of "Viva Blackpool" tanked in America you'd think they would have learned their lesson. Perhaps this is why they're starting with a shitty show and trying to remake it better than it was, sort of like "the Six Million Dollar 'Eleventh Hour.'" We're starting with a homeless alcoholic, but with six million dollars of "bionic" implants we believe he'll be a super-powered drunk who can walk through walls and take however damn much of your spare change he wants!" (Sadly, that already sounds better than the revamped version we did of our own shit-fest from the '70s, "the Bionic Woman")

by smallPNS
Feb 22nd, 2008
08:52:30 PM
Worst abuses known to science?
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 22nd, 2008
08:58:32 PM
Are we talking little space friends?
Can we just get the British version?
by br1947
Feb 22nd, 2008
09:00:08 PM
I mean, is there really a need to remake it? Dr Who imports well, and I would imagine Patrick Stewart would get a few people to watch just because he's in it.
Zoe Bell for bodygaurd.
by gotilk
Feb 22nd, 2008
11:30:30 PM
Please.
Because Americans would never watch Patrick Stewart
by Anakin Whoopass
Feb 22nd, 2008
11:44:18 PM
Good thing they're remaking this then.
Resistance. Is. Futile.
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 23rd, 2008
02:08:09 AM
Damn, Patrick Stewart was born to play Picard.
Patrick Stewart and Star Trek
by Demode
Feb 23rd, 2008
03:08:53 AM
I didn't like a lot of stuff about the 24th century Star Trek shows, but Patrick Stewart was amazing as Picard. Face it... he is the only reasn Star Trek got a second life after TOS. I liked DS9, but they should never have kept dipping into the well. Too many treks watered down the "franchise", and is one of the main reasons the TNG movies didn't do well at the box office (well, that and Rick Berman.) All that aside, I really hope we see Capt Picard on the big sreen again. TOS got a nice send off during their 25th anniversary. I think TNG should get one final movie during their 25th, which is just 4 years away.
Vanessa Marcil as a bodyguard?
by snappy
Feb 23rd, 2008
05:37:57 AM
WTF? She's about 5'1" tall and weighs less than 100 pounds. Peopl wouldn't be scared of her even if she was carrying a big fuck-off gun. Perhaps she'll play his feisty secretary.
Kirstey Alley as
by Nabster
Feb 23rd, 2008
07:39:35 AM
the bodyguard!
Kathy Bates as the number one bodyguard
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 23rd, 2008
08:30:44 AM
"Sorry about the ankles" she says after stepping over the guy who tried to get too close to her client.
Stewart should have been Dumbledore
by Turd Furgeson
Feb 23rd, 2008
09:39:55 AM
You know this to be true.... Much more suited to the role than Gambon...
"Americans wouldn't watch Patrick Stewart?"
by br1947
Feb 23rd, 2008
09:45:12 AM
Anakin, what are you smoking dude? There are several million Trekies, X-men, American Dad, and Dune fans that would greatly disagree.
br1947: exactly
by Anakin Whoopass
Feb 23rd, 2008
02:12:38 PM
i was being sarcastic
Rufus Sewell was great in The Illusionist
by SnootyBoots
Feb 23rd, 2008
07:47:53 PM
Just sayin.
ah, my apologies then :-)
by br1947
Feb 23rd, 2008
09:09:59 PM
you can never tell in talkbacks... ;-)
*sigh*
by eXcommunicated
Feb 24th, 2008
02:05:56 AM
Another series where science "runs amok" - as if non-science brought us all the advancements we take for granted...
Stewart & Jensen were both great...
by the_silver_shade
Feb 24th, 2008
03:08:56 PM
...in the original version, but the show as a whole just didn't work. Most of the twists could be seen coming a mile off, and often the pacing was verrrrry slow. Oh, and Patrick Stewart went out of his way to distance the show from SF, denying that it was SF in all interviews. He used to say stuff like 'this is a dramatised look at how science could develop in the next few years'. Erm, that's SF, Patrick. Can't wait to see what the US version will be like, presumably Sewell will have to have the usual glow-in-the-dark shiny American teeth, which should make creeping up on the villains impossible!
why NOT recast the role?
by punto
Feb 24th, 2008
03:13:13 PM
If they don't recast it, why remake it at all? just play the original version. It's not like it's on a different language, or it's outdated or watever.. If it was a sequel intead of a remake then sure.
one thing that would put US off this version
by board shitlez
Feb 26th, 2008
06:32:01 AM
was the pretty strong Northern accent that Stewart opted for - very like his native huddersfield. I liked it. He was also stunning on stage as Macbeth recently. think he's headed broadway with it - amazing.
I lulz when people whine about US Tv ruining Brit shows
by ArcadianDS
Feb 26th, 2008
10:18:44 AM
because then I ask them what they think of The Office. And lets not even get started with All in the Family.

Sorry - US TV takes great BBC programs, throws millions of dollars at them, and makes them better. Just ask Gordon Ramsay.

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