Ain't It Cool News: The best in movie, TV, DVD, and comic book news.

‘I Thought The Helicopter Was With You!!’ Eggtown!! LOST 4.4!!

First first first first by Corterville	Feb 21st, 2008 01:01:34 AM
Always wanted to say that
first by gunnafan	Feb 21st, 2008 01:01:56 AM

second Then !! by gunnafan	Feb 21st, 2008 01:02:27 AM

How many episodes are left of this season? by kikuchiyoboy	Feb 21st, 2008 01:03:16 AM
It's been damn good so far.
More spoilers (How it ends Spoiler boy) by textual	Feb 21st, 2008 01:15:25 AM
In Zatanna speak: norra si "nos" s'etaK
so when kate says by punto	Feb 21st, 2008 01:21:34 AM
"I have to go, or he'll wonder where I am" on last years flash-forward, she meant her son?
This show is insane. by The Real McClane	Feb 21st, 2008 01:25:15 AM
It's like a damned train wreck. Horrifying, a complete abandonment of all understanding... confusion... frustration... madness... anger... needless weirdness and a nonsensical plot. But be damned if I can't stop watching it. Fucking J.J. puts an addictive chemical in his shows that make you crave 'em nightly. Just like that sneaky ass Colonel Sanders and his chicken. Bastards.
This show makes me go WTF every time I see it by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 01:37:14 AM
but I keep watching it, because it's cool.
Oh, and the title Eggtown makes me think of Hurley by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 01:38:58 AM
and his Cluck Cluck job.
Herc by cuckoo's indian	Feb 21st, 2008 01:44:47 AM
I love the previews the day before the episode screens, but it would also be fun to get your takes on the episode after it screens, maybe as an ammendment put on the bottom of the story. Basically, what I'm saying is, your opinion matters to me. :)
Hercs opinion means by Mezzanine	Feb 21st, 2008 01:56:48 AM
nothing to me. But I agree with Cuckoo's Indian, that it wuld be something cool to see.
Can't wait, the show's been aces so far, BUT HERC... by iamnicksaicnsn	Feb 21st, 2008 01:58:20 AM
since they decided to only make 13 episodes this season because of the strike, how will that affect the remaining 16 episode season? Does this mean we'll get a 19 episode season at some point? Will we get 13 episodes this season, but a couple of them will be two hour episodes? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
I think we'll get 4 more episodes in April. by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 01:59:43 AM
We get 8 episodes now, and then a break, and then 4 more.
I'm willing to bet $5 that the entire spoilers by PirateEmery	Feb 21st, 2008 02:01:00 AM
will make their way onto this talkback before it airs tomorrow. I know, because I've known what happens in Eggtown before the premiere aired. I'm just happy that I don't know what's going on in The Constant. I love me my unspoiled Dessy episodes.
cuckoo's by Hercules	Feb 21st, 2008 02:01:18 AM
as I say, season four is three for three so far. the fat has been trimmed, the filler has dissipated, and all of the flashbacks are now great. Season four has been distilled down to almost PURE COOLNESS!
iamnicksaicnsn... by nerfherder111	Feb 21st, 2008 02:02:56 AM
i read somewhere carlton cuse said that the remaining 3 episodes will most likely be delivered in other seasons, as they still want to deliver the same total amount of episodes in the series as they had promised. they're not sure where or when exactly the 3 episodes are gna be thrown in yet
season 4... interrupted? by nerfherder111	Feb 21st, 2008 02:07:00 AM
i agree herc, its really been great so far... i have a feeling this is gna be a season that's gna be even more amazing on a second viewing once it's finished. has there been any final word on how they're gna air the rest of the season. im expecting at least some delay like everyone, but how much?
How does Kate by CaptainTripps	Feb 21st, 2008 02:07:44 AM
not end up in prison? Aside from killing her father, didn't she rob a bank? She must have gotten a lawer refferal from OJ!
Indiana Jones and the Search for Jacob by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 02:09:00 AM
Will Locke ever find Jacob's cabin? Will Ben ever tell Locke about the four toed statue?
the schedule as I understand it. by Hercules	Feb 21st, 2008 02:13:24 AM
we keep going non-stop till 4.7. then there's a break until April 24 (IIRC), when we start five more episodes. The thing I'm unclear about is whether or not the season finale is one or two hours. Season five hits the air early 2009.
i want hints, not spoilers by zooch	Feb 21st, 2008 02:17:21 AM
damned invisotext.
I'm Jerking Of Into My Own Face by The Ender Smites Foes	Feb 21st, 2008 02:59:29 AM
In anticipation of this episode. I cant believe how much ass this show kicks. I mean, the only thing that tops this is last year. When we had Rome Season 2, Lost Season 3, and 24 Season 6 all on at the same time. But EPISODE 3 SPOILER Sayid working for Bein in the future, killing motherfuckers left and right, boning woman spies, assassinating golf players and whatnot, that is what I jerk off too. It's not even sexual it's just something I think people should jerk off too. I will fucking kill you.
I'm Jerking Off Into My Own Face by The Ender Smites Foes	Feb 21st, 2008 03:00:10 AM
Fixed
How Kate is not in jail... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Feb 21st, 2008 03:40:22 AM
I posted this theory in the last Talkback: When Kate returned to civilization, a hotshot lawyer represented her, and helped to convince the jury to acquit Kate. And also since Kate is one of the Oceanic 6, she's a huge celebrity. (This explains why Jack had a hard time getting a hold of her in the third season finale -- not because she was a fugitive.)
Does Kate use the Chewbacca defence ? by Miyamoto_Musashi	Feb 21st, 2008 03:57:07 AM

Clearly by hktelemacher	Feb 21st, 2008 04:16:22 AM
the people rescuing them have the pull to get Kate off the hook. Alright maybe not clearly, but some kind of a deal had to be made on her part in exchange for her freedom. Something not so nice I'll bet. It can't be as simple as Jack spinning things to amp her up as a hero who saved lives. Maybe the "he" she refers to in the finale is the dude who put together Naomi and the team, or the unseen alleged economist Ben and Sayid were targeting. She's totally sleeping with the enemy.
My guess is that by emeraldboy	Feb 21st, 2008 04:42:46 AM
Some of the oceanic six ended up working for Ben. Remember he is the arch manipulater. How did ben leave the Island. That is what I want to know. We will find out in time.
13 episodes total by Jor-El23	Feb 21st, 2008 05:11:38 AM
Isn't that what they've said all along? 7 episodes and 5 episodes is 12. Weren't we told that they'd filmed 8 episodes pre strike? Then we'd get 5 more after the hiatus?
13 eps. by theBigE	Feb 21st, 2008 05:25:31 AM
8 done, filming 5 more. We get ep #8, which was done pre-Christmas, after the hiatus. I'm guessing eps 12 and 13 are a double episode so it airs in May during sweeps time.
Anyone know when the next time by Itchy	Feb 21st, 2008 05:43:34 AM
I will see a lingering shot of Claire's ass will be ? That's all I really care about.
Season Length by Jinxo	Feb 21st, 2008 05:48:25 AM
I had been thinking too, okay, if this season gets shortened by, say, three episodes then maybe they'll just adjust and shift the cut episodes so that next season is three longer. But apparently not. And for good reason. That logic would sort of dictate stopping the current season three episodes before where it was supposed to end. So that means ending on a random point rather than the intended season ending climax. The producers say they intend to end on X point in the final episode and so, now, to get there they'll have to cut and change plans to get to that point quicker. And since those cut bits are points on the way to reaching X, not like they could then just paste them into next season episodes. The opportunity to tell those stories is just missed. I guess they could add episodes to the next season but they'd have to be new different stories/chapters they have to invent JUST to fill that air time and in that case why bother?
Bujold by NudeandAroused	Feb 21st, 2008 06:03:54 AM
I thought Geneieve Bujold was almost named Janeway before Mulgrew was. Still, this has been an interesting season thus far. Much better than last year.
Bujold wasn't almost named ... by Hercules	Feb 21st, 2008 06:48:56 AM
She was hired and filmed in the Voyager's captain's chair. Creative differences ensued for two days of shooting. Kate Mulgrew was the producers' second choice. Gibney, who earlier played LaForge's girlfriend on ST:TNG, was apparently their third.
Kate's Defense Team... by Baron Merlot	Feb 21st, 2008 07:02:57 AM
...could've been paid for by Penelope, Desmond's Billionaire girlfriend. That might explain her gettin' off.
Jesus, I hate to be a spoiler whiner . . . by Nice Marmot	Feb 21st, 2008 07:06:17 AM
. . . but I avoid the Lost Talkback until I've seen the newest show. But I always know where it is and can read its title. Do you HAVE to put a quote from the show in the Talkback title??? Usually it's vague, but this one seems to indicate something major.
Kate's defense by Jor-El23	Feb 21st, 2008 07:27:12 AM
was probably paid for by Abbadon/Oceanic/shadowy cabal that Ben and Sayid eventually try to dismantle
We're getting 13 episodes this season by Abin Sur	Feb 21st, 2008 07:36:04 AM
Herc is correct that there will be a break after episode 7, because the producers found that episode to be a more "logical" place to start the hiatus...when Lost returns (in April?) they will show episode 8 (that was already filmed pre-strike) and then FIVE more episodes after that. Yeah, we still don't know if the finale is one or two hours - but they've been 2 hours every season so far, so I don't see them breaking tradition even with a shorter season.
Penelope is naked by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 07:37:14 AM
a lot on the show Tell Me You Love Me. She's no Kate, but I liked it.
Fuck the Haters by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 07:39:27 AM
This show kicks ass. Season 2 dragged, but Lost has been great since the first episode.
Spoiler question.... by MemBirdman	Feb 21st, 2008 07:46:37 AM
CS Lewis?
This show is a mess by Spoiler_Man	Feb 21st, 2008 07:56:08 AM
What happened to America's IQ levels? Did everyone suddenly get really dumb a few years ago?
Season 4 sounds like it keeps getting better by Miyamoto_Musashi	Feb 21st, 2008 07:56:38 AM
Agree with others 3 from 3 so far very good and some of the best network tv we have seen in a long time.
Does Geordi marry Melissa Dunbrook, by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Feb 21st, 2008 07:56:56 AM
in the series finale?
Best Lost theories by Miyamoto_Musashi	Feb 21st, 2008 07:59:44 AM
Can anyone suggest the best site for Lost theories, as comprehensive as possible please
7 episodes, 6 week break, 6 episodes by fedrich519	Feb 21st, 2008 08:00:16 AM
That's the breakdown. They filmed 8 episodes, but the producers figure episode 7 is the more logical point for a break. Then April 24th we return with the one pre-strike episode plus the five more being filmed for a total of 6 more.
When do I get to see more Sun? by Miyamoto_Musashi	Feb 21st, 2008 08:02:39 AM
The girl not the star. Am very partial, ok obsessed with Asian girls and as such Sun is on top of my list of Lost girls I want to ....
Just gimme a spinoff with Ben having Sayid kill people by SpyGuy	Feb 21st, 2008 08:03:22 AM
Every week, some unsuspecting dude or chick meets their end at the hands of Sayid. Mix in some scenes of Ben looking all bug-eyed and menacing and you have yourself a Top 10 series.
Come to think of it by CaptainTripps	Feb 21st, 2008 08:10:31 AM
we really don't know how long last year's flash back was after they got back to the states. Maybe they do send her to jail for a couple years and she's out on parole by the time Jack contacts her. Any chance that the "he" she mentions to Jack is her PO?
This show IS a mess by slone13	Feb 21st, 2008 08:11:44 AM
A hot, delicious, addicting mess
Considering I've watched The Economist by nalapou	Feb 21st, 2008 08:28:17 AM
11 times... yes, 11, I'm glad a new episode is finally on tonight. Frick I dunno what I'm going to do during the 5 week hiatus... go outside maybe? Who knows...
Here in north Florida... by Kid Z	Feb 21st, 2008 08:28:22 AM
... near Tallahassee (yes, there really is such a place... it's the state capital) there's a tiny little town called "Two Egg" (Yes, there really is!) The episode title "Eggtown" immediately makes me think of that place, even though Two Egg's just a gas station, 4 or 5 houses and a stop sign.
Am I the only one? by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 09:09:21 AM
I've loved every last bit of Lost for the past 3 seasons, but something about this season lacks the oomph I've seen and felt before on the show and I don't know why. Its not that its bad, but I swear these first 3 eps could have been put in one ep. I'm all for building up suspense and characters, and even during the "slow" part in S2, I had nothing bad to say, but maybe its the feeling that there are more commercials or something, I just feel at the end of these episodes I'm not really satisfied. Still best show on tv though.
Bujold was a disaster as Jayneway. by I Dunno	Feb 21st, 2008 09:20:34 AM
I saw that clip and she was terrible. The only thing I can say is that she had a nicer voice than cigarette smoker, coffee drinker, Kate Mulgrew.
Anyone finding this season treading water already by jimmy_009	Feb 21st, 2008 09:26:11 AM
It feels like the midseason droop in momentum. I don't feel like they've actually progressed any since the season finale.
Agreed jones1899 by jimmy_009	Feb 21st, 2008 09:27:55 AM
There's something missing. I think it's momentum. I thought the show would start burning forward after the finale last season and seeing as how they know the end point. But they are in a holding pattern. Really, the Losties aren't in any different position than they were during the finale.
Susan Gibney=Leah Brahms=SCHWING! by uss cygnus	Feb 21st, 2008 09:28:46 AM
"Every time you're touching this engine, Geordi, you're touching me." YEAH, BABY!
You are the only one by Shigeru	Feb 21st, 2008 09:29:10 AM
Best first 3 episodes ever. ever.
"Booby Trap" = One of the top 5 TNG episodes ever. by uss cygnus	Feb 21st, 2008 09:31:36 AM
And Susan Gibney was a big reason why. That, and a Promelian Battle Cruiser, and Picard taking the conn...and now I've done it, I've gone cross-eyed.
Oh that's who she is, Leah Brahms? by I Dunno	Feb 21st, 2008 09:34:55 AM
Damn. She would have been much nicer to look at as Jayneway than Kate Mulgrew.
First of all... by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 09:55:14 AM
I am apparently NOT the only one who feels this way. And if you'd read my post, I loved the last 3 seasons because they took their time. Some of the best episodes were actually pretty light on plot progression, but the character moments were so good I still felt satisfied at the end of the ep. For some reason I don't feel satisfied this season.
Can someone explain... by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 09:58:14 AM
Why the flip Jack, Kate and Sayid -three smart cookies- are trusting these new guys so much. Sayid himself said he knows they arent there to rescue them adn yet he trusts that if he brings back the chick they'll take him on the helicopter. Why would he believe that? Then Miles not denying they were there to kill them, the guns, the gas masks...! Seriously?
LOST! LOST!! LOST!!! Best show on tv, PERIOD! by captboulder	Feb 21st, 2008 09:59:13 AM
Makes looking forward to Thursdays a whole lot better!
Not mo much that nothing has happened, by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 10:02:34 AM
just that nothing true to the characters has happened. Read my post a few back - thigns just don't make sense. The effect of that at least for me is that things have less oomph this season. This show IS a character driven experience and when you lose sight of that and have your characters just going through the motions of the plot, then you lose a great deal. The fact is, with all the HUGE things that are happening this season, I am frustrated that I'm just not into it like I should. Understand?
CORRECTION!!! by dynamicb	Feb 21st, 2008 10:04:50 AM
She was originally up for Seven of Nine but was given to Jeri Ryan because Brannon Braga was banging her.
Not so much that... by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 10:07:10 AM

If you meant character development by Shigeru	Feb 21st, 2008 10:16:59 AM
Then you shouldn't have mentioned that nothing has happened?
Word of advice about this site by nam0krut	Feb 21st, 2008 10:17:43 AM
I just tried to read this page from my Treo Smartphone and the invisotext showed up visible! So tonights episode has been ruined for me! DOH! Lousy Web 2.0!!
Not a lot of options!?!? HA! by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 10:21:43 AM
They have the guns. The folks that they are pretty sure are there to kill them? No guns. Options aplenty!
Shigeru... by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 10:29:22 AM
I never said nothing has happened. I said what has happened lacks any impact for me as a viewer BECAUSE this season seems more involved with the plot than the characters. I feel as though these once great characters are just being led along by the plot and not acting like they should based on the years we have spent with them this far. My saying that these first 3 eps could hae been put into 1 ep is just a result of there being no real moment that has mattered to me yet. I have always defended Lost's slow times when it was more about character - as I said, those were some of the best eps. I used to be on the edge of my seat, just praying the commercials would end becuase I was so involved. Now, its just simply a good show. Maybe they are just building to something, but I hope they remember who these people on the island are. BTW, I totally admit not even being sure myself what the problem this season is, so I admit to not being clear enough in previous posts.
Wierd Lost dream by Youguysgotanymilk	Feb 21st, 2008 10:30:39 AM
I had a dream the other night where I was a character on Lost. The losties were wlaking with Ben still tied up as a hostage and they were taking them to some special machine. When they put him in the machine all of his special island powers would be gone. Similar to them forcing him to leave the island, he would lose his connection with it. The machine had five or six different lazers attached to it and each laser was responsible for a different island power, i.e. Desmond's future sense was one, Locke's powers came from another. The Losties set all the machines to take away the power and were about to put Ben in it when all of a sudden Jack switched it back and threw himself into the machine so he was hit with all the lasers and thus gaining all of the special island powers that Ben and others have. Then Jack just started doing this evil laugh. Then I woke up....LOST
Richard Alpert by Phimseto	Feb 21st, 2008 10:30:57 AM
Heard that the new issue of Entertainment Weekly discusses whether or not Nestor Carbonell will be returning to the show. Does anyone have the info on that?
Should have been "Weird" not "Wierd" by Youguysgotanymilk	Feb 21st, 2008 10:31:32 AM
I cant spell.
Fastest pace ever... by sapno_krei	Feb 21st, 2008 10:36:28 AM
This is what people have been waiting for, a fast paced progression of events (as compared to previous seasons), and yet there are STILL complaints! I personally think the fast pace will level off in a few eps, and we'll be back to the quieter moments which are absolutely necessary to the story. I, for one, love how the writers have kickstarted the season.
Only moment thus far that felt out of character.. by Jonah Echo	Feb 21st, 2008 10:37:58 AM
was Jack's pulling the trigger on Locke. Sawyer shooting one of the defenseless others seemed reasonable for his character, and the fact said others had been ready to kill them, but there definitely needs to be some fleshing out of the conflict between Jack and Locke. Locke's destruction of the sub and various things, and Naomi are pretty nuts and destructive to the group but even Ben hasn't killed defenseless people(he gave the order for sawyer, bernard, jin to be kept alive). And yet, we are supposed to believe that all those people would still follow Jack? It seems like there is something of a push on the writer's end to foreshadow that things with Locke might go really wrong. Anyone else think that Ben knows he will have to leave the island soon, and is grooming Locke as replacement guardian of the island. He puts Locke through the same test he endured-kill an unloving parent, and then puts Locke in a place to manipulate others to achieve his ends, and then shoots him in the one place that won't kill Locke just to test his communion with the island. He also knows no one has as much to lose off-island as John Locke, and so he will never leave. Is the plan to have Locke defending the island from it's enemies within while Ben goes back and takes care of enemies without?
Fast paced is not what I have been waiting for. by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 10:47:36 AM
Now I see why. To be clear, this show is still great, just not as great so far.
Sue Gibney? Wasn't she raped by Doctor Light? by C.K. Lamoo	Feb 21st, 2008 11:02:31 AM
Or am I having an identity crisis?
Susan Gibney is quite the MILF! by captboulder	Feb 21st, 2008 11:03:03 AM
That TNG ep was great because of her and she was in DS9 Homefront and great to look at there, too!
Jack pulling the trigger by Phimseto	Feb 21st, 2008 11:04:11 AM
On the contrary, Jack pulling the trigger was completely in character. A gun-wielding Locke shows up again with rescue being so close (and life and death, in the case of Sun), combined with the fact that Jack is an unbalanced state, all adds up to a fairly explainable action by that character. Not only is it in keeping, but the writers haven't abandoned that moment - see Sayid's quiet dressing-down of Jack last episode.
jones1899- I think you're in the minority by Lovecraftfan	Feb 21st, 2008 11:10:37 AM
Back when it was slowly paced people complained that it didn't move fast enough.
why do all the quoted lines by redfishbluefish	Feb 21st, 2008 11:24:19 AM
have to be followed by double exclaimation marks or double question marks? i find it kind of irritating. perhaps this annoyance is what helps me not read the dreaded and alluring invisotext.....
Season 4 has been brilliant, and jones1899 is crazy by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 11:26:19 AM
jones1899, I think you are in a MASSIVE minority. I --- and I believe most LOST fans --- do not want to watch Jack having emotional marriage problems every week. I don't want to see Charlie doing drugs in a punk rock band every week, nor do I care about watching Kate's plight with the law on a weekly basis. I do care about Abaddon, The Oceanic Six, Daniel Faraday, CS Lewis, Frank Lapidus, the "man on the freighter", Ben's post-island mission, etc. Those elements are what have elevated LOST from a good series, to a fantastic series.
Charlie becomes Beak by Youguysgotanymilk	Feb 21st, 2008 11:31:15 AM
Just read are favorite ex-hobbit, ex-junkie,ex-ghost(?), will be appearing as Beak in the upcoming Wolverine movie. I'm not to familiar with the mutant Beak, but I'm excited to see Dominic acting in a new role.
FUCK GREY'S ANATOMY! by J-Dizzle	Feb 21st, 2008 11:32:28 AM
Why don't they let that shitty show get the shitty 10pm slot?
No Jeff Fahey this week? by DKT	Feb 21st, 2008 11:33:28 AM
Interesting...
I wasn't one of the ones who complained when by jones1899	Feb 21st, 2008 11:41:50 AM
the show was slow. At least then I really cared when something happened. It had a weight to it. Now, and I am willing to concede its just me, I just don't find myself caring as much. Scenes that should have oomph to them just don't. I feel as though if I'd seen Jack pull the trigger on Locke in previous seasons it would have been gripping. For me, this season, it just wasn't. Again, the show is still great, I just feel like its missing the mark in a way. Its not as gripping for me like it used to be. I feel like its going through the motions and the characters aren't being true to who they are. And still nobody has explained why, if Sayid, Kate and Jack have guns and they are pretty sure the new guys want to kill them, they still go on errands for them - trusting the new guys will hold their end of the bargain. These guys have guns and gas masks and are sneaky as fuck and you have this badass aoldier, a smart leader and a kickass chick with guns and they just go along. I don't buy it. I am first to admit however that I will not miss an ep until the SERIES finale, I just wish I cared more about what I was seeing. But that's just me...and that other guy.
Speaking of Actions in Character by evolution1085	Feb 21st, 2008 11:43:01 AM
What makes Kate want to adopt a kid? If the speculation is true **beware theorific spoilers ahead and Claire dies while being rescued, why would Kate take care of Aaron, unless she felt responsible for her death, but hell she's been running from the responsibility of murder forever so what changes there end theory*** These flashfowards are like the action adventure books that let you make your own endings, except you flip to the ending and have no subtext, so everything's a giant mindfuck
Phimsetto by Jonah Echo	Feb 21st, 2008 11:44:07 AM
I agree that the show is dealing with Jack's little episode, but I think currently those sequences from the season 3 finale that take place post-rescue set up that firing of the gun more than the stuff on the island to this point. Given the degree I trust Lost though, I fully expect that when the whole thing is seen in full, there will be sufficient explanation here.
Is jones1899 the new sickfix? by Youguysgotanymilk	Feb 21st, 2008 11:45:44 AM
This TB is becoming strangely familiar to last week's TB. Hmmmmm.
My Female Death Theory. by kdoc13	Feb 21st, 2008 11:57:23 AM
Keep in mind this is mere speculation, not spoiler. But I think Sun is the next major actress who is going to die. Here's why. She can't have the baby on the island, if she doesn't get off the island, she dies.
jones1899 is MUCH better than sickfix by Shigeru	Feb 21st, 2008 11:59:22 AM
Because he is friggin reasonable. As to his points: shrug at this point there has been SO much character development over 3 seasons that I'm fine with watching those characters do stuff.
Frank's comment by Youguysgotanymilk	Feb 21st, 2008 12:01:30 PM
Does anyone remember exactly what Frank said to Sayid? Did he say if you bring back Charlotte
So we get like 8 more episodes and then wait a year? by WeinerPenis	Feb 21st, 2008 12:04:58 PM
Fuckin' bullshit.
Didn't finish that by Youguysgotanymilk	Feb 21st, 2008 12:06:58 PM
I meant to say, did he say "if you bring Charlotte back safe, I will take you off this island" or "i will take you to the boat"? I thought he just said he would take them off the island. I think his wording was very important, maybe Sayid and Desmond on headed to somewhere other than the boat. Either for a good reason of a bad one. Maybe the shit has hit the fan on the boat because of Ben's mole and that is why neither Daniel of Charlotte wanted to go back to the boat. Just a thought.
What do you mean LESS CAPTIVE Kate!? by Sick Fixx	Feb 21st, 2008 12:22:22 PM
No shackles, no leg irons, no handcuffs or fingercuffs or bellychains??? No cavity searches or hands behind her head??? :(
more important question is by Shigeru	Feb 21st, 2008 12:22:59 PM
why did Frank say "if minkowski gets on the phone hang up immediately." ?
Season 4 pace by alex138	Feb 21st, 2008 12:29:46 PM
I love everything about this show. I do admit though that this season does have a very different feel compared to the previous three. This is not necessarily a bad thing. It's just that it seems after three episodes, probably including the fourth,only a day and a half have passed by on the island so far but such insane things are going on in such a short time. This gives this season kind of a 24-type feel of break-your-neck speed pacing this season (well maybe not that extreme but possibly like deadwood, where one season was like a week in the show). I don't mind this at all but I can see why people feel like this season is different.
Spoiler site by alex138	Feb 21st, 2008 12:32:38 PM
Also for those looking for lost spoilers and theories, just go to lostpedia.com. That site has got anything you would ever want to know about lost. beware of the spoilers page tho because they are really on top of their game. They know who Kate is with off island (there is a full summary of tonight's episode) and who will most likely die this season
Quote at the top by Shigeru	Feb 21st, 2008 12:38:26 PM
Maybe it's in reference to Miles.
node by Shigeru	Feb 21st, 2008 12:39:10 PM
yeah, the trust issues probably coupled with the fact that they're kind of being held captive and everything didn't go according to plan.
Order up by rbrog77	Feb 21st, 2008 12:48:44 PM
I'll have the information but hold the spoilers and put the h8rs on the side. Can I get that with German Potato Salad?
Uh... what about the other others? by Ex-Teenager	Feb 21st, 2008 12:52:00 PM
I really enjoy Fantastic Journey, uh I mean Lost but weren't there a whole slew of Others who didn't get sent on the beach ambush with Tom and who didn't accompany Ben to meet Jack and the group at the radio tower? If they don't care enough about their leader to at least send a small search party to find him after a few days, wouldn't they at least have moved back into the little village they formally occupied that Locke and his group went to? I would imagine having running water, real houses and indoor toilets would be preferable to wiping your ass with leaves while being rained on and chased by Polar bears. Naming a character CS Lewis is a little too cute... Also, did anyone else notice the name on Ben's fake passport? It was Dean Moriaty, the character based on Neal Cassady in Keuroac's On the Road. Someone on the writing staff has a sense of humor and speaking of that, how about hiring Darin Morgan to write an episode or two? As much as I enjoy the show, there is much to make fun of.
The Other others by alex138	Feb 21st, 2008 12:59:00 PM
Only one night has passed since Ben ordered Richard to take the rest of the others to the Temple. Maybe it's a long walk.
CS Lewis?... by DanielKurland	Feb 21st, 2008 12:59:25 PM
I've been watching and loving this season a lot, but what is this CS Lewis connection? I must have missed it... Is Charlotte's last name Lewis?
Re:Daniel by alex138	Feb 21st, 2008 01:01:12 PM
yea her name is Charlotte Staples Lewis
Thanks Alex138! by Ex-Teenager	Feb 21st, 2008 01:27:15 PM
Forgot that in the world of Lost a single night passing can take 8 months our time. I discovered during the strike that most TV shows are better when they are available in their entirety on DVD so you can watch them without long breaks allowing you to forget what's happened. I certainly think that's the case for Lost.
Kates Hinder by Yo Yo Ma	Feb 21st, 2008 01:28:29 PM
What does Kate's hinder is not languishing in stir mean? Did I miss something? I guess well I don't know what to guess.
"We’ll learn why Kate’s hinder isn’t languishing in stir." by xannibal	Feb 21st, 2008 01:28:29 PM
I fully support any update on Kate's hinder.
Oh crap - don't read that title by xannibal	Feb 21st, 2008 01:31:16 PM
Sorry! It's s spoiler - sorry, sorry, sorry!!!
Dominic Monaghan by alex138	Feb 21st, 2008 01:44:32 PM
you guys hear that he got cast in Wolverine as a mutant named 'Beak' who has hollow bones like a bird and feathers that grow from his arms and can not quite fly but merely glide? Dude got shafted the day they handed out mutant powers and superhero names.
Beak was in Grant Morrison's X-Men by Shigeru	Feb 21st, 2008 02:01:57 PM
He basically was a fucking bitch who squaked a lot.
Node by rbrog77	Feb 21st, 2008 02:20:51 PM
Did not see that. Pretty f'ing cool. Maybe......nah, I won't go there.
Actually the name on Ben's passport was named by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 02:27:54 PM
after Sherlock Holmes' villian Moriarty.
You didn't mention by rbrog77	Feb 21st, 2008 02:30:03 PM
...all the LOST nominees. It too got a best series nom. Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Ben, and Juliet for lead or supportings. And Kevin McKidd from Journeyman lead too. Good stuff.
Node32774 by jimmy_009	Feb 21st, 2008 02:30:59 PM
Yeah, I think it's treading water. It's taken three episodes to even get to the 'rescue team' getting anyone off. And yeah the camp has split in two, blah blah blah. Lot's of walking, blah blah blah. More walking. I'm going get this person back. This is all stuff we've seen a thousand times on this show. They filled three shows with what could have been condensed to one if they paced it well. Instead they filled it with people walking around and looking for someone else. Kate and Jack go looking for hurt Naomi. Sawyer, Kate and Sayid go looking for Locke's Gang. Everyone walks around a lot. Seriously, this is one episode spread out to kill time. And I LOVE this show. I just feel I'm still in a holding pattern waiting for this season to actually kick in and have the changes promised by the finale actually happen. The flash forwards have been good, though thankfully, but they are so brief compared the island time, which is been there, done that.
Is anyone surprised that the helicopter doesn't make it? by jimmy_009	Feb 21st, 2008 02:36:08 PM
That would actually move the story along, which would be inconsistent with the season thus far.
Iron Man trailer to be on Lost tonight! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 02:46:24 PM
Found out on Superherohype.
Offtopic: NBC cancels 'Las Vegas' - no season 6, then... by Pennsy	Feb 21st, 2008 02:52:46 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2gz7vh
And CBS jettison's 'Moonlight''s showrunner by Pennsy	Feb 21st, 2008 02:55:18 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2r9neg. Maybe that's why it wasn't in the network's announcement of early renewals last week.
Interesting interview with Darlton by Desmondo	Feb 21st, 2008 03:02:30 PM
Checkout spoilerslost for an interesting interview with Darlton..They go on the record and tell us we will know who is the in the coffin by the end of the season and what has happened to the people not rescued. And some other stuff about time travel, and alternate dimensions, etc, quashing a few fan theories it would seem. Also they note that "the maxwell group", and everything else to do with 'find815' was pretty much made up by some internet company, and not canon, or anything to do with them.... My time with it feels slightly wasted. I always think that the explanations for the mysterious on the show will not be anywhere near as outlandish as people suggest... e.g why are they stealing children? They can't get pregnant, and are running some tests. Similarly everyone on 815 is dead... some crazy alternate dimension? Nope probably just government cover up.
jimmy_009 by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 03:03:04 PM
Wow... so LOST is "treading water" for showing key events on screen? What part of the Losties splitting in two, taking hostages and sides, meeting the extraction team, and cutting a deal to fly to the freighter is NOT critical to the plot??? Wait. Here's an idea, how about the "24" model. That show REALLY moves. Bauer is captured, imprisoned in China, Audrey tries to rescue him and is captured, and Jack finally makes it back to the US. And all this happened *OFF CAMERA*!!! The writer's amazingly pulled it off w/o wasting a single second of screentime! Brilliant! Well, on second thought...
Captain Jack's forever SPLOOGE by EvilWizardGlick	Feb 21st, 2008 03:03:20 PM
If Jack is nigh immortal then his sperm must be as well. In theory Ianto probably has a boat load of Jacks immortal cum floating through his body. Well technically from mouth to ass. This is much like Clark Kent blowing wad at the speed of sound. I bet he fixed plenty of barn roof nocturnal emission holes.
Lost/Prisonbreak make it up s to s. by EvilWizardGlick	Feb 21st, 2008 03:04:39 PM
Neither of those shows has an overall direction. But at least with Prisonbreak you know what they will be doing at some point during a season.
Val Kilmer still hopelessly porky. by EvilWizardGlick	Feb 21st, 2008 03:05:30 PM
Just saying Val may be the next Subway icon.
Bionic Woman cancelled! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 03:17:38 PM
Sorry Katee Sackhoff.
I love this season... so far. by Lashlarue	Feb 21st, 2008 03:21:26 PM
It could all go down hill, but compared to seasons 2 and 3? You gotta be kidding me! Season 1> Season 4> Season 3> Shit on a stick> Season 2
'Lost': Mind-Blowing Scoop From Its Producers by 4we8have15to16go23back42	Feb 21st, 2008 03:26:22 PM
From Entertainment Magazine E-Mail 'Lost': Mind-Blowing Scoop From Its Producers THE TEASE! If I had to sum up tonight's episode in one word, it would be ''Kate.'' If I had to choose two, it would be ''Dharma bums.'' Three words? They would be ''Deals with devils.'' And if I had to pick four or more, I'd say, ''Let's just ask executive producer Damon Lindelof.'' ''Remember last week when you were left wondering if Ben was a member of the Oceanic 6? Well, the last line of dialogue of this episode will cause the fans to ask a very similar question.'' Okay, since you brought it up, Damon: Is Ben a member of the Oceanic 6? ''Nothing precludes him from being a member of the Oceanic 6 — other than he wasn't on the plane,'' says Lindelof. ''But he does have a room full of documents and passports. He could have just, you know, done some research and doctored some records and adopted the identity of someone on the plane — someone with no family or friends who would know otherwise. So who's to say he isn't?'' So...when will we know for certain? ''By the end of the seventh episode, the audience will now know who the Oceanic 6 are.'' Well, whaddyaknow: a Doc Jensen column with some genuinely useful information for a change! And guess what? DAMON AND CARLTON: A SEASON 4 INTERVIEW No cheat sheets this week. (Though may I suggest you bone up on Philip K. Dick's ''Valis Trilogy'' in preparation for tonight's episode?) No reader mail. (Next week, I promise.) And no crazy theories from me, either. Now that the strike is finally over, it's time we heard from the majordomos of Lost themselves, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof. Last week, I had the chance to sit down with the producers for a wide-ranging conversation about the new season. Check out the new issue of EW for their thoughts on getting back to work after the strike, the return of Richard Alpert, and why you won't be getting answers to Charlotte's Tunisian polar bear this year. But in this space, you will the hear producers speak out on a variety of issues: the structure of the season; the big mysteries that will — and won't — get resolved; the relevance of extracurricular stuff like the recent ''Find 815'' alternate reality game; and the proper way to ''read'' the show's flash-forward stories. But perhaps most provocatively, the producers offer their rules for time travel and alternate realities — rules that many of you currently engaged in wild theory-making about the interpretation of time/space on Lost will find interesting, even challenging. We pick up the conversation with Damon and Carlton discussing one unforeseen advantage of the recent writers' strike: being able to respond to audience confusion. (Note: teases and spoiler stuff are at the end. Veggies before dessert, you know.) CARLTON CUSE: If we were sitting down with you right now, and there hadn't been a strike, we would be in the middle of writing the finale. The entire season would have been done and the audience would have only seen two or three episodes. Now, we actually have an opportunity to react and adjust to how people are feeling about everything. DAMON LINDELOF: Naomi's bracelet in the Sayid episode is a key point here. I got some e-mails from people who wondered if there was a connection between Naomi's bracelet and the bracelet worn by the woman Sayid killed in his flash-forward. There is no connective tissue. Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet. We just thought it would be a cool emotional touchstone for Sayid; Elsa's bracelet reminds him of Naomi. But some people interpreted that, ''Is there something more there?'' We might need to address that. CUSE: But this is a commentary on how the flash-forwards work. We were very concerned if the flash-forwards would have the same emotional resonance as flashbacks because people naturally, easily understand flashback storytelling as a device. The bracelet is one example of where people, I think, can get lost. DOC JENSEN: Some people are even wondering if the flash-forward stories in each episode are being presented chronologically. For example, did the opening sequence of Sayid's flash-forward — in which he killed the Italian guy on the golf course in the Seychelles — actually occur after his ill-fated Elsa affair? LINDELOF: There was originally a line in that episode where Sayid said, ''I've just returned from the Seychelles,'' which would have cleared all that up. But we lost it in editing because the scene went on for four minutes. When we're presenting you with a narrative, it's always happening in chronological order. CUSE: Lost is complex and dense, but we are very conscious of the limits. If we are going to jump time, we're not going to jump narrative order within the time jumps, too. LINDELOF: We wrote the Sayid episode before the Boston Red Sox won the World Series a second time. So when Jack said to Frank Lapidus, ''Did the Red Sox really win the World Series?'' and Lapidus says, ''Please don't remind me,'' certain subsets of the Lost audience began asking, ''Is it possible Lapidus is actually from 2008?!'' But you have to understand: we are not writing the show for now. We are writing the show so that when you put it in your DVD player 20 years from now, you don't have to understand the nuances of the Red Sox winning the World Series, only they hadn't won it in a long time. CUSE: But you won't have a DVD player, Damon. LINDELOF: It'll just be downloaded into your brain. DOC JENSEN: Another popular theory making the rounds is that we're dealing with alternate realities. For example, there are people who think the flash-forwards are merely possible future scenarios, not written in stone. CARLTON CUSE: We want people to believe in the stakes of the show. The problem with alternative realities is that you never know when the rug is going to be pulled out from under you. We want the audience to believe that the jeopardy is real. Postulating alternative realities would be an escape valve that would be damaging that as a narrative value. DAMON LINDELOF: You can get away with it in Heroes, where there is an apocalyptic future you want to avoid. But we're doing the opposite. We want to work toward a future where Jack is absolutely miserable and wants to go back to the Island. Everything we present to the audience has to be factual. CUSE: We want the audience to believe that is THE future. We don't want people thinking, ''Well, since there are five iterations of this, I'm not going to invest in what's happening to the characters.'' LINDELOF: We're not going to tell you that we're against bending the time/space continuum. We are very for it. Carlton and I are PRO time-space continuum bending! But we're ANTI-paradox. Paradox creates issues. In Heroes, Masi Oka's character travels back from the future to say, ''You must prevent New York from being destroyed.'' But if they prevent New York from being destroyed, Masi Oka can never travel back from the future to warn you, because Future Hiro no longer exists. Right? So when we start having those conversations at Lost, we go, ''This show is already confusing enough as it is.'' To actually have characters traveling through time has to be handled very deftly. CUSE: For example, the fifth episode of the season [airing next week] deals with time travel and operates in different time periods. It was a tough story to break. But we adhere to our rule: no paradox. LINDELOF: It's been weird, though. When we got back from the strike, we had to put up a master timeline of the future, from the point where the Oceanic 6 will end up leaving the Island all the way up to where the flash-forwards will end. CUSE: And the hard thing was charting a timeline when there's a bend in space/time: How do you illustrate that kind of timeline when time isn't entirely linear? That took us an entire morning — LINDELOF: — just to debate the quantum physics of it all. CUSE: We needed to bring in a professional illustrator. [They smirk.] I have a sneaking suspicion you're pulling my leg on some of this stuff. LINDELOF: Maybe. CUSE: But we do feel this is a place where we can challenge the audience to create a chronology — where Sayid's story happens in relationship with Jack's story, etc. We'll be adding pieces of that mosaic over the course of these five hours that should hopefully leave you with some fairly clear understanding of what happened between the time the Oceanic 6 were rescued or returned to the real world and Jack and Kate's final scene in the season finale. DOC JENSEN: How would you describe the general structure of the season? CARLTON CUSE: This year, it's all about the castaways' relationship to the Freighter folk. Since day one, their goal has been to get off the Island. Now our heroes will find themselves defending the very island they wanted to leave. The future hints at the fact that these folks have a deeper connection to the Island than they themselves realized. DAMON LINDELOF: The big mystery looming over this season is, how did some people get off the Island and what happened to the people who didn't? That's the mystery that we owe the answer to at the end of the season, in addition to who's in the coffin. We could be winky about the coffin all the way through season 5. But that was one of the first things we talked about when we got back to work on the new episodes: We definitely have to show who was in the coffin. That's the primary super-structure of the season. As a result of that, certain thematic elements — the element of fate or supernatural elements as they relate to the monster and Jacob — are certainly in play but not as interesting to us this season as these questions: Why do some of the characters leave? How do they leave? What are the circumstances under which they leave? Why do some stay? Is it a choice? Is it an accident? Both? CUSE: There are larger cosmic questions involved in that. Daniel Faraday's rocket experiment in the Sayid episode, which established a time differential on the Island, was a very important scene in that it sets the table for things that come into play in the future of the show. We've learned a lot about our characters' relationship to the Island, but now we're going to learn their relationship to the outside world once they've been on the Island. This is an important new idea to the show. What's the deal with Jacob's shack? It keeps moving. Then Hurley saw Jack's father rocking in Jacob's chair. CUSE: You will definitely see more of the cabin and it was very observant that many fans noted the presence of Jack's father inside the cabin. We'll shine a little bit more light on that later this season. This is stuff that is a big part of the show going forward, but in terms of the final five episodes of the season, those are not the kind of questions we'll be answering. Hurley also saw an eyeball looking back at him. Should we be wondering about the identity of the owner of this eyeball? LINDELOF: You should be wondering, certainly. CUSE: One of the definitions of omniscience is to be in more than one place at a time. LINDELOF: I always thought that word was pronounced omni-science. CUSE: Well, you've learned something new today. My annual inquiry: Will we be dealing with the Adam and Eve skeletons this season? LINDELOF: No. But they will be addressed. More Dharma Initiative intrigue this season? LINDELOF: You haven't seen your last station. But the larger mythos, like ''The Purge'' — that's more season 5. CUSE: We showed the Orchid video orientation film at Comic-Con — that is important for this season. Someone at my office wants an answer to this question: Wasn't it just a little too convenient for Penny to be calling the Island at the exact same moment Charlie killed the dampening field in the season finale? LINDELOF: Good question. Here's how we always thought of that: What we always imagined was that Penny has an auto dialer in the bedroom of her house and in various places that is constantly sending some sort of transmission to the coordinates that were revealed at the end of season 2. So when Charlie turned off the dampening field, her auto caller indicated that her call could go through. Now that they have a satellite phone, why doesn't Desmond just call Penny? LINDELOF: Lapidus explains the rules of the satellite phone and what calls it can and can't make in episode 5. The Sayid episode established that Ben's got this list of bad people that need executing. What can you say about these people? CUSE: We'll know by the end of the season that there will be two alternative explanations for why Oceanic 815 is in the trench at the bottom of the ocean. It will not be clear which story one should believe. [To be clear, Cuse is saying the mystery of Ben's list is linked to this wreckage.] LINDELOF: Both stories will be presented and both stories will have legitimate facts presented on their behalves. CUSE: The act of taking a plane, filling it with dead bodies and putting it at the bottom of the ocean connotes a group that is pretty freakin' powerful. You should be worried about the people involved in either scenario capable of doing something like that. Is one of these groups ''The Maxwell Group,'' a mysterious outfit introduced via the ''Find 815'' alternate reality game? LINDELOF: We cannot say that any of that stuff in ''Find 815'' is in canon. The Maxwell Group is something that Hoodlum came up with. Last fall, we presented them with the idea that, at the beginning of the second episode, a salvage ship was going to find wreckage of Oceanic 815. From there, they came up with a story — and backstory — that led up to that event. [Some background: prior to the strike, the producers and ABC's marketing team hired a company in Australia called Hoodlum to execute ''Find 815.''] CUSE: We provided the creative framework but didn't oversee the execution. LINDELOF: I'll sign off on this idea: the Christiane 1, which in the show was responsible for finding Oceanic 815, was in fact looking for the Black Rock. We established that in the show — but the people who owned the ship may have been up to a little bit more than just looking for the Black Rock. So what's official and what's not? What's ''canon?'' CUSE: The mobisodes are in canon. The Orchid video is in canon. The videogame is not in canon. It's unfair for the audience to go to ancillary sources in order to really understand the show. Even the things like the mobisodes, which are in canon, aren't essential to your understanding of the show. These things are just added bonuses. LINDELOF: The only true canon is the show itself. DOC JENSEN: You've certainly picked some interesting names for your Freighter folk. How should we be interpreting them? DAMON LINDELOF: With Miles Straum, we just thought it would be cool if his name sounded like ''maelstrom.'' Charlotte Lewis was an obvious reference to C.S. Lewis and an important clue to places we're going at the end of the season. CARLTON CUSE: And an important clue to Charlotte's own, as-yet-untold important backstory. LINDELOF: One of our producers, Eddie Kitsis, has been pitching to us ''Frank Lapidus, Helicopter Pilot'' for years. Daniel Faraday is an obvious shout-out to Michael Faraday, scientist and physicist. CUSE: As is Minkowski, who's on the Freighter. Those names are clues related to the space/time issues that will become more significant downstream. For the record, is the official lingo here ''the Freighter folk''? LINDELOF: I like ''Freighter folk'' because you wonder if there's an album cover out there somewhere with all of them, and they have The Mamas and The Papas outfits on. CUSE: ''Freighter folk'' is more benign. And they're not the only people on that freighter. You're going to meet some other people on the Freighter who have another name, and in contrast to those folks these freighter folk are very...uh, folkish. How about Matthew Abbaddon? LINDELOF: ''Abaddon,'' we dug that one out of Wikipedia. When we name people, we often do Web searches on certain verbiage or if we want to pull something out of Greek mythology or Native American mythology, like, ''Who was the god of wheat?'' CUSE: I can't believe you're telling Jeff about the god of wheat now! The entire second half of the fourth season is about the god of wheat! LINDELOF: Wasn't your nickname at Harvard ''the god of wheat?'' CUSE: No, it was god of rye. LINDELOF: You see how I get confused. [Sigh.] Until next week, friends — Namaste!
Lost is really overhyped but it's a good show by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 03:32:17 PM
sometimes I wish that sites would hold off on spoilers until after the episode.
Interview by 4we8have15to16go23back42	Feb 21st, 2008 03:46:09 PM
The interview that I just posted is long, but very worth the read.
LOST is not overhyped by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 03:52:00 PM
Sorry but LOST deserves any positive feedback is gets. Overrated TV shows: Greys Anatomy, CSI, Prison Break, Heroes, etc.
xan...and Jimmy by Cheif Brody	Feb 21st, 2008 03:58:39 PM
I don't think it's much of a spoiler really...I mean...Kate was "free" to go visit Jack last season at the airport...so it's kinda obvious she beats her wrap...or is still a fugitive...either way...she's not "playing house" with Big Bertha in the state pen. Jimmy...please do not provoke node...you will not like node when he is angry. The opening 4 episodes of this season make last season's opening "mini-pod" seem like a 40 yard dash for quadruple amputees and 90+ elderly citizens. I don't think they are treading water in the least. Now that the "end date" for LOST is in sight...they don't have time to "tread water". But you mentioned all the walking the cast does all over the island...what would be nice with the "enhanced repeats" they are showing before the new episode...would be a handy little map of the island that pops up to pinpoint WHERE on the island the scene is taking place from time to time. 4 seasons in...and I still have no idea how long it takes people to walk from say...the cockpit...to the Other's barracks.
Prison Break blows by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 04:00:44 PM
The first season was great, but wow, talk about milking a concept.
jimmy_009 you're not alone by The_Squid	Feb 21st, 2008 04:14:45 PM
I too think the show has been moving a bit slow, but the begining of the season is always slow. Remember how slow the opening of seasons 2 and 3 were? It doesn't help that the identies of the Oceanic 6 and the revelation that Ben made it off the island was spoiled. AICN is definately a love-hate relationship.
Well, I have no clue who the Oceanic Six are. by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 04:31:27 PM
Well, honestly I have no clue who the Oceanic 6 are. To me, the first 3 episodes were very revealing. Then again, I don't read all the spoiler sites and I don't read all the "rumors" on the big fansites so to me, each week is full of new information. It irritates me when people are like, "meh X died or Y got off the island, we already knew that". Well guess what slick, NOT EVERYONE READ SPOILERS. Oh, whoever said Prison Break was good is an idiot. That is the silliest show I've ever seen, lol.
HERC! by Deep Roots	Feb 21st, 2008 04:33:09 PM
howabout you wander over the WIRE talkback, and see what a clusterfuck of major spoilers have been allowed to live and thrive? Huh?
The sad thing is by The_Squid	Feb 21st, 2008 04:40:50 PM
I didn't even try to read the spoilers. I personally despise spoilers. It's just, people have been posting the indenties of the Oceanic 6 on these talkbacks since the premiere. Just like on the Wire talkback, I got unlucky and read a post I shouldn't have. The same exact shit is happening on the Wire talkback and may have ruined the ending of the whole fucking series for me.
The sad thing is by The_Squid	Feb 21st, 2008 04:40:55 PM
I didn't even try to read the spoilers. I personally despise spoilers. It's just, people have been posting the indenties of the Oceanic 6 on these talkbacks since the premiere. Just like on the Wire talkback, I got unlucky and read a post I shouldn't have. The same exact shit is happening on the Wire talkback and may have ruined the ending of the whole fucking series for me.
I Gotta Say...Janeway was an interesting character by uss cygnus	Feb 21st, 2008 04:54:09 PM
in a very below average show. But you gotta respect her character was an Indiana native. : - )
Could the assholes whining about spoilers by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 05:06:03 PM
shut the hell up. Don't view this site and don't click on the link if you don't want to get spoiled. Some bitches just like to complain.
Agreed jones1899 by Ang_Lee	Feb 21st, 2008 05:12:08 PM
The show is great, but the "magic" is gone.
Ang_Lee by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 05:23:30 PM
I think there's lots of "magic" in Abaddon, CS Lewis, and Sayid Bond!
You say the "magic" is gone. by slone13	Feb 21st, 2008 06:02:19 PM
I say that you are inaccurate.
The "magic" was gone... in Fire+Water. by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 06:06:58 PM
Ever since "Strangers in a Strange Land", the 'magic' has been back, baby.
They should do more with Ben by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 06:15:45 PM
He's such a great character, but every year he's just a whipping boy. He really needs to grow and stretch. I want more of his awesome back story.
I think people who spoil shows and movies by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 06:26:53 PM
on purpose are one notch above child molesters. I don't mean those who post spoilers with tags. Those who mean for people to see them by accident. Evil evil dudes.
I try to avoid spoilers for things I like by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 06:30:06 PM
I enjoy the show more. Of course, some times I slip up like when I read the back of The Phantom Menace CD cover.
CherryValance by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 06:30:40 PM
I agree. Spoiler posters should be forced to watch CSI for eternity.
I can think of no better punishment by The_Squid	Feb 21st, 2008 06:56:35 PM
Except perhaps getting beaten to death by Chris Partlow.
I hate that stupid SEMI-PRO ad!!! by Ashok0	Feb 21st, 2008 07:02:29 PM
Crap, every time I try to access this forum I keep accidently hitting that crazy Semi-Pro ad.
that happened to me too by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 07:09:34 PM
and the cursor was nowhere near it. shrug
Get a good adblocker. by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 07:13:51 PM
I use IE 7 Pro, and it works pretty good.
are you guys watching these "enhanced" versions? by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 07:17:51 PM
They just brought up something I forgot about. Jack told Kate he loved her like 3 days ago (island time) and now he sent her off to Sawyer. WTF?
Skywalker....Do more with Ben???!! by Cheif Brody	Feb 21st, 2008 07:22:32 PM
Umm...did you miss last week's episode...where it showed Ben was doing the whipping on some Iraqi National Guard ass? Sayid is running around all over killing FOR Ben. I think his whipping boy days are over...and his character IS growing and stretching just fine. Gotta run...show's on in 30 mins!!
Expecting the Iron Man trailer by SpencerTrilby	Feb 21st, 2008 07:32:21 PM
more than the show itself
Yeah, but Ben was in the last scene and by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 07:33:23 PM
that was a flashforward. It kinda ruines the suspense to know he gets off the island. I want more scenes like them finding the passports.
I don't understand people who leave LOST on purpose by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 07:34:48 PM
I mean he didn't leave but they think they're gonna go do some other show that's gonna be bigger. And that's not likely. Him and Harold Perrineau and where the hell is Maggie Grace? Know what I'm sayin'?
Cheif Brody by The_Squid	Feb 21st, 2008 07:39:42 PM
I agree Ben has now become one of my favorite characters. He was always a good villian, but now he's cooler than ever. One of my favorite scenes from last week's episode was when Sayid found all of Ben's passports and foreign currency. He's like some sort of badass independent spy.
"the filler has dissipated" by punto	Feb 21st, 2008 07:42:44 PM
I assume you mean after the first episode of the season, where absolutely nothing happened?
I don't enjoy Ben by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 07:52:38 PM
It's probably because I'm superficial where actors are concerned.
Michael Emerson is one of the finest TV actors by skywalkerfamily	Feb 21st, 2008 07:59:24 PM
That guy creeps me out everytime.
time for more lost by Pipple	Feb 21st, 2008 08:02:17 PM
I wonder how they're going to avoid answering questions this week...
Kate continues to be... by Phimseto	Feb 21st, 2008 08:04:54 PM
...the #1 character I would happily see dead. What a misanthrope she is.
Susan Gibney by Dradis Contact	Feb 21st, 2008 08:06:52 PM
was Captain Benteen on DS9, a much better role than when she discovered that Geordi was masturbating into the holodeck.
Kate's bad by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 08:12:22 PM
all the women on this show are bad, except maybe Claire
Claire seems broken up by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:13:39 PM
She looked devastated about Charlie's death.
Yeah by Phimseto	Feb 21st, 2008 08:16:31 PM
I've never seen Claire so puffy-eyed before. She looked worse than when she returned to camp after being kidnapped..................... ..if only that were true. Charlie's heart = pwned.
C'mon Sawyer...Call Ben Mr Furley. by gotilk	Feb 21st, 2008 08:17:58 PM
I dare ya. Floyd the barber might be a stretch. Did he call him Professor Fate yet?
Speaking of Claire, Goddamn she's hot by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:19:08 PM
I'd take her over Kate any day. Kate seems like she would beat the shit out of you in bed, while Claire would do whatever you want as long as you told her you love her.
so i'm guessing... by Ron Burgandy	Feb 21st, 2008 08:19:57 PM
her "son" is Aaron?
I was hoping Jin would break into America! Fuck Yeah! by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:20:44 PM
That would make Lost more enjoyable.
yay by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 08:23:43 PM
one of my favorite movies. :D
WTF!!! Jack is a Lying SOB by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:25:01 PM
That's a crazy story. What the crap was that all about?
there's been some bad dialogue in this episode by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 08:25:49 PM
"bust him out" when did the writer's strike begin again? lol
SPOILER- 8 Survive the crash? by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:26:04 PM
But there is the Oceanic 6? God, I love this show.
8 survived? by Ron Burgandy	Feb 21st, 2008 08:26:52 PM
but only 6 got off the island....and the other stuff too...makes u wonder what or who is making them say this bullshit...presumably the people Ben and Sayid are hunting down...
"Do you love the defendant?" = lamest part of Season 4 yet. by TallBoy66	Feb 21st, 2008 08:28:11 PM
"Now, under oath you see, who do you choose? Jack or Sawyer as your eternal love?" Oh, for the record, I say Kate's kid was born before she borded Oceanic 815, but that's just me.
Jive Ass Cracker by Jive Ass Cracker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:28:26 PM
Did Jack just say that only eight people survived the crash?
Great googly moogly by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:29:34 PM
Plain Kate is Hot. In-Court, make-up, put-together Kate is absolutely bonerrific. Not to mention Claire has some painted on jeans tonight. Those cute little buns are crying out to me.
Yes. Yes he did by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:31:25 PM
8 survived. I guess Locke's group -Hurley "died" in the crash according to the story they must stick to. "I'm sick! Of lying!!"
So is Bruce Lee ben's guy? by Pipple	Feb 21st, 2008 08:32:15 PM
i'm thinking he is...
Holy Shit! by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:34:04 PM
Did you see Ben's reaction when Dan came in? Why 3.2 Mil?
Kate doesn't know who the father is thanks to a tag-team by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:35:45 PM
by Jack and Sawyer. That was their way of celebrating getting off the island. Unfortunately, Hurley got excited, tried to join the party and smothered Sawyer. That's why he isn't part of the 6 but is part of the 8.
OFF THE FUCKING HOOK by Charlie Murphy	Feb 21st, 2008 08:36:01 PM
this season has been fantastic. only 8 survived?!?! ben's a fuckin' big shot in the real world? aw man this kicks ass
Definately by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:36:09 PM
NOT Ben's guy. But they must work in similar circles, similar bosses. Dan knows who Ben is and what he can do.
Sawyer's been on the island too long by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 08:36:23 PM
Jin was already Bruce Lee. He's recycling.
Ben's guy.... by Ron Burgandy	Feb 21st, 2008 08:37:10 PM
i'm thinking is michael...name of michaels upcoming episode implies an alias perhaps. 3.2M as i'm guessing he knows how much money Ben has access to and wants it all. Or the value itself has some meaning (an amount Ben stole once) but as said, he's trying to get the money for extotion/personal reasons not as some sort of vendetta
The Marshall by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:39:02 PM
is the father. Had her handcuffed and joined the mile high club before the crash. Bent over the sink. Not.
Mommy! by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:41:28 PM

I guess her mom recovered. by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:42:04 PM
She looked dead in that one episode. Or almost dead.
Dammit by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:44:45 PM
I wish I hadn't spoiled myself. I know how this fucker ends and I would have enjoyed the WTF so much more without knowing.
Kate by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:46:25 PM
will put out in Bear cages. You know she had to get some in a eal bed.
Real bed by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:46:41 PM

OK by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:48:52 PM
ESP of sorts...gettting 2/3 right with a deck of cards...is progress? What the hell? Is Danny testing his telepathy on the island?
I just realized by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:50:31 PM
I was talking about Miles in the posts above, not Danny. Dan is our bearded science geek. That has telepathy now. And Ms Lewis is very cute.
The final 10 minutes by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:51:32 PM
Here comes the BIG reveal!!!!!!
looks like it by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 08:51:35 PM
You know that shocking bit wouldn't even have been shocking if I hadn't read it. This episode is kinda sucky. Why do they even bother with Kate-centric episodes?
Damn Locke by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:53:11 PM
I moderately like him now.
Locke's a badass. by Shermdawg	Feb 21st, 2008 08:53:51 PM

BLUE BALLS!!!!! by Mr. Mcpoops	Feb 21st, 2008 08:54:26 PM
What a Tease. Sucks for Sawyer.
"yes by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 08:54:53 PM
it would have been the worst thing in the world". I love Sawyer.
Locke.... by Ron Burgandy	Feb 21st, 2008 08:55:28 PM
just went Jack Bristow on Miles...awesome... and i'm still sure Aaron is kates "son". Claire doesn't survive and she takes the kid, its what the "bonding" scene earlier hinted at.
Hey Kate... by Phimseto	Feb 21st, 2008 08:55:34 PM
...just because you slapped Sawyer doesn't mean he's wrong.
Booty Call by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 08:55:38 PM
Gotta love Kate. She does get the walk of shame back home, however. Score one for Sawyer.
oh shi- by Onset	Feb 21st, 2008 08:59:19 PM
Aaron?
Is Aaron retarded? by TallBoy66	Feb 21st, 2008 09:00:06 PM
Seriously, that kid looked like a mongoloid?
a ha! by Ron Burgandy	Feb 21st, 2008 09:02:37 PM
...so after rescue Jack must find out Claie is his sister....which is why he can't face the kid as his decision to get them off the island killed him mum.
That Kate's son name is Aaron... by MeshGearFoxx	Feb 21st, 2008 09:02:56 PM
is pure coincidence people!
Great set up by edshrinker	Feb 21st, 2008 09:02:59 PM
THey really make you think it's Sawyer's kid (Jack doesn't want to see it). Kudos. Poor Claire!
Jack,Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron,_____? by Shermdawg	Feb 21st, 2008 09:03:19 PM
Who's the last of the six?
explain that shit to me by Pipple	Feb 21st, 2008 09:03:23 PM
isn't Aaron clare'd baby? Did Kate steal it?
I was hoping the baby had tentacles... by tonagan	Feb 21st, 2008 09:05:21 PM
and a gaping mouth with razor-sharp teeth. Now that would have been a cool ending.
My predition: Kate watched "Hand That Rocks the Cradle" alot by TallBoy66	Feb 21st, 2008 09:05:24 PM
then bashed in Claire's brains and then stole Aaron, screaming, "He's mah ba-bee! He's mah bay-bee!!!"
HOLY SHIT by mrgreentheplant	Feb 21st, 2008 09:05:49 PM
damn have not had an ending surprise me like that since maybe "oh shit john's been crippled the whole time." that was awesome
Or maybe if Kate's baby was black, that would be cool too by TallBoy66	Feb 21st, 2008 09:06:19 PM
Kate's got jungle-feevah! Kate's got jungle-feevah!! (Flashback to Season 2 with Kate just nailing Mr. Eko offscreen)
trailer by amievil	Feb 21st, 2008 09:06:29 PM
where the fuck was the Iron-Man trailer?
I was hoping the baby had... by The_Squid	Feb 21st, 2008 09:06:31 PM
four toes, but it being aaron was really cool.
Dan and his cards by alex138	Feb 21st, 2008 09:06:44 PM
I don't think they were testing Dan for telepathy. I think Charlotte was testing Dan's memory, he could have some mental issues. She said she wanted to see if he could remember the cards, so he saw them before. And when we first met him in 'Confirmed Dead' he looked like a f'n basket case. Also with the kid playing Aaron- I doubt we will see much of the kid because they don't want to dig themselves into another whole with a child actor who ages too fast for the show's timeline.
I love LOST... by mthrndr	Feb 21st, 2008 09:07:08 PM
but this episode sucked compared to the others this season.
GREAT EPISODE!!! by JackIsLost	Feb 21st, 2008 09:07:14 PM
Is it Claire's Aaron (which would explain why he's so damned old) or is it the spawn of Kate and Jack and the reason he is so damned old b/c of the weird time shift b/w the island and the rest of the world?
I'm not happy about this by CherryValance	Feb 21st, 2008 09:07:50 PM
That psychic said that Claire had to raise the baby because her goodness would protect him. And now Aaron's being raised by a succubus. Craptastic.
Aaron is..... by Loosejerk	Feb 21st, 2008 09:08:02 PM
retard strong. Dharma baby formula will do that to you.
Define irony by instruction	Feb 21st, 2008 09:08:44 PM
I was thinking of the scene in Set it off where queen latifah says white people have some ugly ass kids, and sure enough I see that thing at the end of the episode that's supposed to be claire's baby. Ugh.
A gernade sandwhich by captboulder	Feb 21st, 2008 09:09:01 PM

hey wait a minute. WHERE WAS IRON MAN? by Pipple	Feb 21st, 2008 09:09:47 PM
Did i miss it? i had to piss but it was only about a minute long...
Mongoloid Baby!!! by Emit Brown	Feb 21st, 2008 09:10:09 PM
I agree with the gent above that said the baby was a mongoloid. He reminded me of a Baby Jimmy Durante. I guess they wanted to make it clear that this was definitely not the genetic pairing of a hot beotch like kate and one of the too studs from Dharma island. claire bumped uglies with somethin' really ugly to create that kid. that kids so scary, his mamas nipples invert when he goes to suck the teet.
Next Week by StuckInthePresentPaused	Feb 21st, 2008 09:10:57 PM
ok is anyone else as thoroughly confused as i am about next week. Desmond with short hair confronting Daniel with even longer hair all my thoguhts are not thrown away. can we get the full synopsis for next week ASAP
Iron Man trailer is coming NEXT thursday by SpencerTrilby	Feb 21st, 2008 09:12:00 PM
FUCK. IT.
Eggtown by alex138	Feb 21st, 2008 09:12:45 PM
What was the significance of this episode title? Locke ran out of eggs to cook for breakfast? Kate's egg ain't knocked up? Miles had a very special egg force fed to him? I usually pick up on the title significance right away but this one's just too ambiguous...
Post theories about why Aaron has Downs Syndrome: by TallBoy66	Feb 21st, 2008 09:12:48 PM
1) Dharma baby forumla 2) those injections he kept getting 3) getting jostled around all the time as a kid whilist mommy was running for her life from the smoke monster / the others, etc. 4) Claire's father was Jack's brother so its an incest kid 5) Kate shook him really hard when they got off the island to make him forget his real mommy 6) Ben did it.
They had to show how Kate escaped by sjlm90	Feb 21st, 2008 09:13:00 PM
..the Wrath of the Law. and the kid is suppose to have a huge head. he always had it, what did Charlie call him? if he didn't, it wouldn't have made any sense whatsoever. ha
What's Jack's thing about Aaron? by captain_kirk	Feb 21st, 2008 09:13:24 PM
Obviously he still loves Kate. Kate obviously stole Aaron. The legal stuff wasn't realistic, especially if it was a federal case, which made no sense--but either state or federal, Kate couldn't have just walked out a door with the matter signed and sealed. Obviously explains the Kate/Jack/son issues (Kate Jackson?) and why she's reluctant to go back to the island. Also, perhaps she fears for Aaron's safety if they DO go back. Theory: is Aaron Jacob reincarnate?
Claire won't die by Keogh	Feb 21st, 2008 09:13:32 PM
I have a strong feeling she forgoes the warning and tells Kate to raise him off island till she is able to get off the island. I think the whole laundry scene was a forshadowing of that.
PS...Worst of the season...and PREDICTABLE by Emit Brown	Feb 21st, 2008 09:14:20 PM
I just want to add that this was by far the worst episode and that twist ending was terribly predictable. however, it was not predictable that the baby would look like Baby Jimmy Durante. That kid is so ugly...HOW UGLY IS HE...that kid is so ugly his mama feeds him with a sling shot.
shit by therobcat	Feb 21st, 2008 09:14:39 PM
Claire's gonna die huh? Locke is King Badass Hail to the King Did baby Aaron remind anyone else of Aaron the secret Service guy from 24? Inter-dimensional crossover anyone?
what's with all the hate toward the ugly kid? by JackIsLost	Feb 21st, 2008 09:14:57 PM
Yeah, he's ugly. My god, people, let it go...
Retarded baby... by theBigE	Feb 21st, 2008 09:15:56 PM
Just what my wife asked. "Does Kate's kid have Down's? Is that why Jack won't see him?" But, being unspoiled, I still called it! I knew it would be Aaron as soon as we saw him in bed. I suspected it before. That is all.
What's all this talk about Iron Man? by Shermdawg	Feb 21st, 2008 09:16:01 PM
I didn't see no Iron Man. Were we supposed to see Iron Man? I didn't see him.

Talkbacks

‘I Thought The Helicopter Was With You!!’ Eggtown!! LOST 4.4!!