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Moriarty’s Got Some HD International INDY 4 Trailer Links For You!

Pacing. by Junior Frenger	Feb 17th, 2008 05:09:39 PM
The pacing is odd... still some great footage in the trailer. It feels like Indiana Jones for the most part.
Seems good but... by LitCrit621	Feb 17th, 2008 05:12:29 PM
...Indy just seems so old at times, like an rugged, adventuring Grandpa Simpson.
I'M I THE ONLY ONE DISSAPOINTED BY THE LACK OF.... OLD SCHOOL!!! by Greigy Just Wanted To Say	Feb 17th, 2008 05:16:21 PM
Indy and CGI... just isn't right is it... where's all that fantastic in camera action stuff from Raiders... not the Industrial Light and Tragic from Temple and Crusade...
LeBoeuf Ruins Indy IV by jordanlgta	Feb 17th, 2008 05:16:42 PM
I predict this. I don't understand why everyone is so happy to have the Disney kid actor in such a big movie.
Greigy - Cars Were Miniatures by jordanlgta	Feb 17th, 2008 05:17:21 PM
The shot where the vehicles crash...that's miniatures.
Are we sure the flag was added for the US version? by zacdilone	Feb 17th, 2008 05:19:13 PM
It would make more sense to me if it was removed from the international version. They hate us overseas.
I agree with you Moriarty, I was excited as I watched it... by NoPIX	Feb 17th, 2008 05:19:19 PM
but then I realized that it was just OK. You saying the editing is funky makes complete sense to me now. On a side note, I'm still a little worried about Janusz Kaminski filming this. I don't feel like harping on his same old lighting scheme right now. I just want it to look like the INDY I've come to know.
mpaa is a crazy group by prunkhaft	Feb 17th, 2008 05:19:30 PM
thanks for hunting down the good trailers, I really thought the new trailer was great and it got me super excited to see this, so having a pristine version is a nice thing. How could you not love the first silhouette of Indy with his hat? Man that got me going!
jordanlgta by Greigy Just Wanted To Say	Feb 17th, 2008 05:20:42 PM
Those were individual shots not whole action set pieces.... rolla coaster in the mine... zeppelin and plane fiasco from crusade... just lacks that real old fashioned feel from Raiders and it looks like that's the route they've gone down for crystal skulls
Greigy by jordanlgta	Feb 17th, 2008 05:23:41 PM
Give it time and let's judge it when the full film comes out.
Don't like Shia? by The Funketeer	Feb 17th, 2008 05:25:57 PM
Watch the 2nd season of Project Greenlight. The kid cracks me up.
Agree, sort of iconic, but not really by wilsonfisk89	Feb 17th, 2008 05:26:12 PM
a little matter of fact, not enough wow factor
the star was prequels will be great too by Rupee88	Feb 17th, 2008 05:27:59 PM
lol
Jack Valenti would not have put up with this. by Robstar	Feb 17th, 2008 05:28:51 PM
Or not, who knows. It could have very well been some guy chopping it together who changed it....or total mpaa censorship. And although it does cheapen the experience of seeing something you've waited years for, I think it's at least better than the Last Crusade trailer. No voice-over. No "keeping up with the joneses"....shudder.
Odd by DrDan	Feb 17th, 2008 05:30:40 PM
If we judged all movies by their trailers, nobody would have seen Fight Club.
Here we go again! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 17th, 2008 05:33:56 PM
Guns a plenty!
What bugs me about the trailer by The Funketeer	Feb 17th, 2008 05:39:59 PM
is the music. The way it ends is really awkward especially after they let it build up so well.
Indy Trailer (and film) in a nutshell ... by krack	Feb 17th, 2008 05:41:16 PM
There's a bunch of things that could have (should have) been done better, but even so, the trailer is better than all but a handful of trailers we will get this year. Similarly, Indy 4 will make major mistakes and bad choices (thanks George Lucas), but even though it won't be one of the greatest films of all time (which it had the potential to be), it will still easily be one of the best films of the year for several reasons - we love the character, we love the music, Hollywood makes crap and it is competeing against nothing. A few no-brainers they f'd up ... (1) The trailer should have started with either the Map Room music or the opening sounds of the jungle from Raiders, (2) The shots from the previous movie were all "never before seen" shots (different angles and views), not iconic shots from films, (3) As has been pointed out, the Ford's line after landing in the truck is out of place - "Raiders Indy" might smirk, but he's not doing a monologue. Raiders is my favorite movie, but this is clearly more in line with Crusade (make Sallah and Brody bufoons, Indy is the "Forest Gump" of 1937 meeting Hitler).
Mori, why does your avatar look like Vincent Price with fuzzy sl by Spamster	Feb 17th, 2008 05:43:07 PM
Just wondering.
"Not as easy as it used to be...." by chromedome	Feb 17th, 2008 05:43:33 PM
works for me!
different angles? by Bouncy X	Feb 17th, 2008 05:48:14 PM
i just watched Raiders yesterday and Temple of Doom today and those are indeed the same exact shots. Although the picture was much nicer than my DVDs....hmmm, have they already been prepped for the HiDef world?
I think US flag was removed from INTERNATIONAL TRAILER by wackybantha	Feb 17th, 2008 05:49:41 PM
...as to not annoy the international audience considering the way america has been seen in the past 7 years or so.
I Think its going to suck .. by Zerofun	Feb 17th, 2008 05:51:51 PM
It has a crappy generic feel ... judging form the trailer .. lucas is a douche.. maybe speilberg can save it?
"The freakin' boulder-sized version." by Pennsy	Feb 17th, 2008 05:54:03 PM
Good one, Mori. I do hope this is a return to good form for all concerned.
I agree with you by HoldingTheVigil	Feb 17th, 2008 05:57:10 PM
I have extremely high hopes for the movie, but I think the trailer was too clean and quippy. What made the original movies so good was the gritty atmosphere mixed with quippy reactions. We only got the reactions in the trailer. Time will tell if this movie satisfies our memories. But so long as it's better than Temple of Doom, that's all that matters...and that shouldn't be hard.
Morty, you're a good guy ... by Dr.Poots	Feb 17th, 2008 05:58:15 PM
Honestly, thanks for the links. And I agree wholeheartedly with the backwards antics of the MPAA. The problem I think a certain percentage of the talkbackers had with what you said about the trailer proper was that you seem to be looking for a perfection that cannot exist. The original Raiders trailer featured nothing more than clips of the movie - that's all. And that's really all that one can expect from a trailer, let alone a teaser. And this is not the first time that someone from this site reviewed a trailer and blew it off, only to rave about the picture later. I'm not saying that you'll love or hate Crystal Skull, but I can't quite get behind the whole 'lacklusterness' of the presented trailer. Please understand, however, that 9 times out of 10, I respect your work.
I agree the trailer isn't put together well... by IAmJack'sUserID	Feb 17th, 2008 06:01:34 PM
The music is off, especially at the end when the Raider's March is really hacked to bits. Also, with having John Williams as composer you have access to tons of great music. Why use music from some other movie/franchise when there is so much from Raiders, Temple, or Last Crusade to use? Also, when Indy says "part time", he gives this awesome "trust me" smile but we see like a second of it.
Uh, the American flag IS in the international version.. by IAmJack'sUserID	Feb 17th, 2008 06:03:20 PM

Note for the naysayers: by SpencerTrilby	Feb 17th, 2008 06:04:07 PM
Tintin has always been the Beard's biggest influence while shooting Raiders. And this teaser has "TINTIN" written all over it. I know it's a huge gamble to trust Lucas AGAIN after the prequels. I still have a few doubts myself. But this is looking like a hell of a fun ride guys! The more I see it, the more I'm thinking it's gonna give TDK a run for his money and end up being the second biggest hit of the summer after Nolan's flick.
lucas cgi crapfest by thelastoutsider	Feb 17th, 2008 06:04:12 PM
typical george lucas cgi crapfest, so he ruines the next franchise, have you also heard of the rumor that jar jar binks has a cameo?? and why does the music stop at the end, than starts again, and than it's over? and why is even every beep background cgi? pleace lucas, use your millions for liposuction but don't ruin this movie. i warn you, i will set the ranch on fire!
Shia will be the next Jar Jar by hallmitchell	Feb 17th, 2008 06:17:37 PM
Have you heard his name? Mutt Williams. I'm now not considering going.
Half of the MPAA rules are outdated... by sonnyfern	Feb 17th, 2008 06:19:35 PM
I think it's time for them to get with the times..
Thanks Mori! by hegele	Feb 17th, 2008 06:26:09 PM
Much appreciated!
Way to go, Mo. by Pipple	Feb 17th, 2008 06:31:57 PM
But fuck you, the trailer was fucking awesome even with the wobbly magic pants.
Getting hate 'cause you don't love the trailer? by Merriman Lyon	Feb 17th, 2008 06:32:23 PM
Yup, I get that all the time. That'll be the Lucas apologists all right. Here's another link that'll refresh everyone's memories - this time to a teaser trailer for another little Lucasfilm number called 'The Phantom Menace'. Looks amazing, doesn't it? Ah, sweet deception... http://www.star wars.com/episode-i/release/tra iler/teaser.html May have to take out spaces Whether the American flag was put in or taken out, the real question is: why is it included in the first place? I mean, WTF? Does Spielberg think he needs to push the patriot button to make Americans see this movie? Why can't the movie stand up on its own two feet? The more they show of this movie, the more it stinks. I remember the same thing way back with TPM. Despite the exciting trailer, I started to get suspicious about some of the information that was filtering out. I ended up making the call BEFORE TPM's release that (I quote) "this looks like it's going to be a gigantic turkey"). Said it right here on AICN - under a different name. Later, I got to say, 'I told you so' to the apologists. And now history is repeating itself because I'm making the same call right now. Mark my words: Indy and the Crystal Skull is going to be a giant holiday fowl, farmyard variety. You heard it right here.
"This one's about the size of Short Round" by Bobo_Vision	Feb 17th, 2008 06:34:44 PM
I thought that meant that the trailer would reference and talk about Short Round's size and stature. You can imagine my disappointment.
I agree with Moriarty by DARTH VOODOO	Feb 17th, 2008 06:36:45 PM
Don't get me wrong I can't wait for the movie, but the trailer was just ok at best. Moriarty is right in regards to the way it was cut. Also, why waste so much time with old footage?
Red Scare Era by Red Shirt	Feb 17th, 2008 06:39:47 PM
Please people, remember the jingoism that was cold war era USA. THAT is why there is an American Flag in the trailer, as an iconic reminder of the era the film is set in. That's all. Blob? Red Scare flick. Invasion of Body Snatchers. Natch, the same!
Merriman: who cares about the goddamn flag? by SpencerTrilby	Feb 17th, 2008 06:44:38 PM
The scene looks like it takes place in New Mexico, and is edited between reminders of foreign adventures (complete with a map shot like in the old days) and some Commie action. It needed some basic location setting, and they went with the flag. What's so disgusting about that? I'm not even american, I live in Europe and I dislike the current political climate (not to mention the leadership) in the US of A... but C'MON it is just a trailer for Indiana Jones, not some propaganda endorsed by bullshit politicians. Wise up. Besides, your instincts may have led you to rightfully smell the turd back in '99, but some people - believe it or not - loved TPM. And just because it worked nine years ago for a movie directed by Lucas, doesn't mean your crystal ball will work for Spielberg's flick next spring. Not to mention that the energy you spend trying to make a point out of mere conjectures and opinions (when not pissing at the face of the people who disagree with you) makes me wonder if, back in '99 as well as today, you just didn't made up your mind before even seeing the damn flick...
If you have the entire John Williams score available... by SkinJob69	Feb 17th, 2008 06:48:26 PM
Why the hell would you not use it for the trailer? Agree with above poster that "The Map Room" would have been appropriate to start. Why use some chintzy intro music by another artist? Baffling.
Shia is the new Jar Jar... by poeticwarriorII	Feb 17th, 2008 06:48:57 PM
annoying and stupid unless your 6 or retarded. And once again CGI fucks up another movie on top of everything else. Can someone please retire that fat chinless fuck before he does another fucking prequel story? This looks like it's verging on shitty and/or deflating to the franchise. It's three steps back and I bet they're hoping for a spin-off with Shia La Shitface.
Yes no JW was baffling... by poeticwarriorII	Feb 17th, 2008 06:51:12 PM
bordering on fucked up. Why would anyone in their right mind choose to use some shit pulled out of an elevator cd player over JW??? The bad decisions coming out of California continue to mount.
Heads up. The 80s are over. by Laserbrain	Feb 17th, 2008 06:54:47 PM
This film will not be exactly like the Indy movies of old. Directors change, actors age, DOPs retire, film stocks get faster, color grading procedures go digital, special effects technologies evolve. Time. Marches. On. If this "doesn't look like" an Indiana Jones film to you, if the trailer didn't give you "chills" or butterflies in the stomach or sent you a dozen long stemmed roses or looked too much like something made in the year 2008 (find the nearest calendar and check the date, you may be shocked) then maybe you just oughta spend May 22 at home washing your hands five thousand times with a pad of steel wool til the tips weep blood. That at least will be an event you can exert some control over.
At least Shia dropped the jewfro by SpencerTrilby	Feb 17th, 2008 06:55:15 PM
I have nothing else to say about him. I like the guy and give him a chance. You should too. If he sucks in the movie, at least he'll get a beating for the years to come around here. It could actually be fun, but I'm not dissing him until I see him spoil a movie; the kid pretty much saved Bayformers from total lameness as far as I'm concerned.
And Megan Fox's sweaty bod too. by SpencerTrilby	Feb 17th, 2008 06:56:01 PM
for good measure
Thanks Laserbrain by SpencerTrilby	Feb 17th, 2008 06:58:04 PM
at least some sense, and facts, in this TB. About time.
Based on the 50 seconds of the new film in the trailer... by leobloom	Feb 17th, 2008 07:01:14 PM
we've already got some experts who know it's going to suck. Classic AICN, right there.
American flag: disgusting?? by Merriman Lyon	Feb 17th, 2008 07:01:21 PM
I never said I was disgusted by the American flag. Is there a reason why I should be? I just don't see the point of putting it in the trailer - unless your movie is so weak that you have to generate good will with a cheap shot like appealing to people's patriotism - i.e. if you don't see this movie, you're a traitor. But then, I don't see the point of quite a lot of things in the trailer. In any case, all the information on this movie (which has been listed by me and others countless times) points to this being a turkey. Not one sensible decision has been made by the producers of this movie so far. So no, I don't think my crystal ball has failed me. Think about it, the odds are stacked heavily in favour of my prediction coming true. After all, it's Lucas! Are you seriously suggesting that the odds are in favour of this movie being good?
Everyone's just pissed they can't identify this indy by Pipple	Feb 17th, 2008 07:08:49 PM
"generic" "ok" "underwhelming" Its funny most people hate Temple of Doom yet it's everything they actually want indy to be, wacky, over the top, creative, epic etc... that's what people expected but we got a trailer showing Indy more in the vain he started in, in the first place. Reserved, more realistic. Ooops.
Dammit! by Red Shirt	Feb 17th, 2008 07:09:21 PM
They put the American Flag in there to REMIND THE VIEWERS OF THE RED SCARE ERA THE FILM IS SET IT. THERE ARE "NO COMMIE/BETTER DEAD THAN RED" PROTESTS AT THE COLLEGE AT THE TOP OF THE FILM, THE BADDIE IS AN RUSSIAN AGENT ETC. Please, enough with the "flag" crap! Save your anger for the crapfest that will be tonight's KNIGHT RIDER. :(
Merriman: maybe the flag pinpoints the location... by leobloom	Feb 17th, 2008 07:19:29 PM
so the audience knows the following scene takes place in America...just an idea.
Merriman - Spencer makes a good point by Laserbrain	Feb 17th, 2008 07:24:46 PM
That one location seems to be a US Army base means it is not unreasonable to see an American flag flapping there. I don't believe it's jingoistic at all. It's an establishing shot, that's all.
I agree by Red Shirt	Feb 17th, 2008 07:25:01 PM
The trailer is not very good. Bad music choices, poor shot selection, grips holding lights (in the shot!), bad CGI (US trailer version), bad music editing, nary a peep out of Marion, et cetera. Why not build up the "Hey, look it's that lady from the first movie" angle. It's not quite teaser, not quite trailer...in the words of Bart Simpson, it's "craptastic." I hope The Beard waved more influence than Baron Papanoida, during the shoot!
Merriman Lyon, exagerate much? by raw_bean	Feb 17th, 2008 07:30:31 PM
"Not one sensible decision has been made by the producers of this movie so far." No sensible decisions, like bringing Marion back, or casting actors of the quality of Cate Blanchett and Ray Winstone?
I think this, at best, will be a T3 situation by The Mothman	Feb 17th, 2008 07:33:33 PM
Something that may, and I stress may, have its moments, but does not in any way inhabit the same universe as the other films. How can it? The people involved are not exactly in form, and the very fact that Indy 4 got made smacks of desperation. "We're doing this for the fans"? Seems more to me like "we're doing this because, well, what else is there to do?"
In Vanity Fair, Lucas talked about 50s sci fi being the template by Rev. Slappy	Feb 17th, 2008 07:34:46 PM
I think that's a great idea, using 50s sci fi B movies as the template for this one as they used 30s serials for the parts 1 - 4.
And yes by Red Shirt	Feb 17th, 2008 07:35:37 PM
50's sci-fi are LARGELY red scare in their feel and tone...
"I just hate being coddled by the ratings board" by chrth	Feb 17th, 2008 07:36:07 PM
Mori prefers being coddled by groups opposed to graphic billboards Zing!
Jack Valenti's corpse has chosen HD-DVD and here's why by Red Shirt	Feb 17th, 2008 07:39:14 PM
Nah, he didn't really.
I'm just open-minded, Merriman by SpencerTrilby	Feb 17th, 2008 07:40:49 PM
of course Lucas went horribly wrong over the past 25 years. But Spielberg - albeit non exempt of screwing the pooch (Lost World, The Terminal, A.I are some of my least favorite Spielby flicks) - is still the director until further notice. He calls the shot, and is still master in his own house. The Indy flicks were always more Spielberg's than Lucas'. See my fist comment in this TB about the Tintin connection. That being said, I acknowledge the weird choices in this teaser (the hat shot is funkily slowed down, some CGI needs to be fixed, the music is a bit off... not to mention the obsolescence of MPAA's decisions) BUT I'm still expecting good things out of this. Call me naive or anything. I prefer naiveté over being jaded. A question of nature. Or nurture? Your call.
fist comment? by Red Shirt	Feb 17th, 2008 07:42:19 PM
ouch, what kind of movie did they make here!?!??!!
Merriman- by Laserbrain	Feb 17th, 2008 07:56:59 PM
For every valid point you make about this film's chances of being a turkey you undermine yourself immediately with hyperbolic assumptions that, because Lucas made the PT, "Skull" MUST be terrible. You dismiss Spielberg's oeuvre of the last 30 years out-of-hand. You forget that Lucas collaborated with four other screenwriters and didn't just shit this screenplay out by himself. Lucas' involvement with this film is demonstrably, irrefutably less than that he had on the prequels. The situation is not identical. This is not 1999 all over again (at least not yet anyway). I am a grown adult. My eyes are open on this one. My life no longer revolves around geek interests to the extent that I feel my childhood will be raped by this film's failure. I have perspective. Please try to find some for yourself because all you are managing to do here is take a long steaming piss on a lot of people's fun.
Now I must go to work. by Laserbrain	Feb 17th, 2008 08:02:41 PM
Excuse any late replies. Cheers.
Remember. by Munro Kelly	Feb 17th, 2008 08:06:46 PM
Remember that they are making this one for the fans. They are also making it to have fun. Spielberg, Lucas and Ford are in a much different place in life than when they made Raiders. Films often reflect the mentality of it' creators. They also reflect the times they were made in and the tools and techniques available. I belive that when Steven set out to do the film, he didn't want to use much digital fx. But along the way he realised that he might be needlesly holding himself back by not embracing the power of digital. Digital isnt just CGI, it's removing cables on stuntman, erasing support equiptment and painting out microphones and lights. Even in 89 when crusade came out, it was still a big deal to have a moving camera during a vfx shot. Today it's fairly easy and inexpensive. I want this to be good, just as much as anyone here. I just have to understand that it's a different time and the people behind the scenes have changed. I already know that Steven, George and Harrison will wink at camera and nudge us in our sides from time to time, I'm cool with it....... just as long as Agent Spalko doesnt scream at her men: "Idiots, this isn't Dr. Jones. You captured his stunt double."
FUCK YOU MORIARTY YOU FUCKING BITCH by Proman1984	Feb 17th, 2008 08:10:31 PM
INDY 4 TRAILER IS THE GREATEST THING EVER! IT FUCKING ROCKS!
INDY 4 TRAILER IS THE GREATEST THING EVER! IT FUCKING ROCKS! by Proman1984	Feb 17th, 2008 08:11:48 PM
Deal with it, OK? I mean seriously, the way it's cut! It's fucking exciting and I'm sorry if you are too busy worshiping eli roth's cock to admit it. That goes for the rest of the AICN gang as well.
I MEAN SERIOSLY, IT'S A FUCKING TEASER by Proman1984	Feb 17th, 2008 08:13:34 PM
It's not even a trailer. It's a fucking teaser and for a teaser to a VERY VEY OLD FRANCHISE IT DOES AN AWESOME JOB.
Proman- it's called xanax...ask your doctor by SkinJob69	Feb 17th, 2008 08:29:17 PM

Indiana Jones and the over anaylized to hell teaser by skywalkerfamily	Feb 17th, 2008 08:33:20 PM

RED BAND Indy 4 trailer! by gridbug	Feb 17th, 2008 08:41:42 PM
Indy and Mutt. Dicks out. Sweetness.
Agreed skywalker by peytonallen	Feb 17th, 2008 08:45:30 PM
It's a teaser people. What did you want? No iconic image? Such as what Mori? He gave you the 'hat' being put back on. A few whip shots. Okay the reality is this trailer did nothing. It accomplished what it set out to do, which is reintroduce the character. It's been 20 years. I suspect the first 2 minute theater run trailer will be different. It's a gamble bringing Indy back. Is it even possible they can hit a homer? Regardless, they didn't intend to play their hand here. I'd be interested in reading the Darabount draft after seeing the movie. Just how much if anything is being used. Read interviews recently from when his script was rejected by George. Don't see any dinner invitations coming his way soon to the Ranch. Still, from those who have read the rejected script and have or will see the movie...be interested to know if George wasted the perfect draft or in fact improved the movie.
One split-second shot was altered from a promo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO by ZeroC	Feb 17th, 2008 08:45:51 PM
Seriously Mori, calm the fuck down. The MPAA have committed far worse atrocities and THIS is what you choose to make a stand against? Maybe parents taking their kids to The Spiderwick Chronicles don't want to see a trailer featuring guns pointed at people. So what? Nothing wrong with censoring a fucking TRAILER, in my opinion. You want to see the intended shot, you'll get to when you sit down in front of the actual movie like everyone else. Until then, all you're doing is coming off like a douchebag when you sarcastically berate others for pointing out you may be slightly over-reacting a bit...
"Mr. Floaty Upper-Torso Solider" by Red Shirt	Feb 17th, 2008 08:47:04 PM
My new addition to the catch phrase goldmine that is AICN talkbacks. Make me famous, fella geeks!
Spielberg is to Shia LeBuff as Scorsese is to... by Chishu_Ryu	Feb 17th, 2008 08:47:40 PM
...Leo DeCrappio. I see it coming. Get used to it...
underhyping by jigsaw	Feb 17th, 2008 08:47:46 PM
This trailer is pretty awful, and it seems obvious Spielberg and Lucas think they can attract an audience based on name recognition alone, that they're using the trailer to underhype the film, knowing that most of us will be there opening weekend because the marquee reads Spielberg, Lucas, Ford, Indiana Jones. They don't give a shit about the content of this trailer, they just want to remind us that Indiana Jones will be in theaters this summer, and they're clearly trying to keep expectations in check because they can afford to. Rather than bowing to modern pressures to open the film (pressures they hardly feel because of their clout), I think they're trying to create something with legs, building on word of mouth. It's an old-fashioned form of buzz they're after, but being that these are the two most successful filmmakers in the history of cinema, it's kind of hard not to have confidence in their approach. This film isn't gonna be the second coming or teh suck. It's gonna be a new a familiar thrill ride, almost definitely worth the money.
My God I despise George Lucas these days.. by conspiracy	Feb 17th, 2008 08:49:20 PM
I've watched this thing so many times I feel like I'm analyzing the Zapruder film. Face it, George has simply spent too much time entrenched up there in Skywalker Ranch, shut off from the world, surrounded by six figure a year yes men, and his no doubt issue laden brood. We went from the coolness of Shoot first Han and Smirking two fisted Indy too Ewoks, then Jar Jar, and now Hammy one liner Indy. Stop George...just stop.
I have a theory... by conspiracy	Feb 17th, 2008 08:53:45 PM
I'm beginning to think it is all intentional. That George, and now Spielberg are intentionally fucking up the characters and series we all love. Why? So that they can finally put them to bed...destroy the demand for new installments...and run off together into the wilds of Northern California and make the "small, art films" they talk about in every God Damned interview... Just a thought.
okay quick reactions by peytonallen	Feb 17th, 2008 08:55:25 PM
Only worry from the trailer is we'll have too many cooks in the kitchen. Indy, Marion, Mutt, the rival arch., Abner.... most of the action scenes showed that group running around. Hope that's not always the case. Would prefer Indy alone, or just paired with another person. this movie will suck! If Abner is alive, how? Is the Ark back in this thing? Do the Russians want to couple the power of the two? Maybe the new theory is the skulls are the only thing that can harness/control the arc. Maybe Marion never thought Abner was dead. Mayber Abner was abducted and has become an alien nut, this shamed Marion and she said he was dead. Be nice to see them play up an angle were they ponder if aliens are really "God." That could be fun.
JOHN HURT'S CHARACTER AT 1:28 by ludmir88	Feb 17th, 2008 09:00:38 PM
LOOKS LIKE HE SPENT MANY YEARS IN THE JUNGLE, LOST OR PRISONER. ABNER IS THAT YOU?
Hope this HD trailer looks more realistic than it did originally by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 09:01:24 PM
Oh no it didn't. Still an overabundance of unconvincing CGI or shot overlaying. Man if this film follows suit from this trailer than Spielberg's statement of hardly any CGI is truly a betraying lie. In short, guerrila film making of Raiders/French Connection style, this movie ain't. From the looks of things thus far. By the way, your jokes in this TB guys, aren't funny.
I think what happened to Lucas is... by Chishu_Ryu	Feb 17th, 2008 09:01:54 PM
...he got kids. That will change your whole point of view on life...
Not sure what shots are gonna "Wow" you but by Drath	Feb 17th, 2008 09:02:05 PM
I agree that the trailer is strangely paced and put together. Are those Russians at Area 51 with the Roswell crate or what? Did they borrow one of the sets from National Treasure for that secret stairway, and did they use leftover CGI aborigonies from the Mummy movies to chase Indy at that temple? See, so many copies have come along now that imagery alone just isn't much of a seller anymore. Maybe it's a sign that we're too old for this shit when we can't just squeal like kiddies at a trailer, ya know? Not every Inidana Jones movie has had an image as classic as Indy running from the bolder afterall. It's too easy to blame the filmmakers and moan "this didn't WOW me, Dahling," in Edna Mode's voice or something. The silhouette shot is nice (though it could just as easily be a Spielberg touch added to an otherwise awful Michael Bay movie), and I liked what I saw of that jeep chase along the cliff--though it makes me think Blanchett's character will buy it before the final stretch of the journey, like that SS guy in the tank in Last Crusade. May it be a much better movie than it is a trailer. Also may it not suffer from that same curse that kept Die Hard 4 and Leathal Weapon 4 from being very good (DH4 being okay, but not a very good installment for turning McClain into the Terminator instead of the real guy he was supposed to be before).
and zACDILON... by ludmir88	Feb 17th, 2008 09:03:13 PM
maybe they just only hate you. JACKASS. Read some book.
I'm On Your Side Mori. Sorta... by D. Tyranus	Feb 17th, 2008 09:03:55 PM
It still doesn't matter man. You shouldn't get so hyped up about a teaser. The movie's what counts. No the digital alterations don't bother me, because as long as the guns are intact within the movie I'm happy. In fact if you hadn't brought it up, I wouldn't have noticed at all... I agree the pacing and cutting of the trailer was awful and I hate that fucking circa early 90s video game score they used for the opening. What a slap in the face to John Williams. Where were the people who cut the Prequel trailers? Those were a million times better and made two and a half heaps of shit look like the stuff dreams are made of. When your sitting on billions though like those two bearded bastards, who gives a fuck? Indy 4 will easily set the record for Memorial Day weekend grosses. So who cares. Just tell people it's coming out... then count your backend paychecks in the weeks to come.
ONLINE GEEKS by RicCage	Feb 17th, 2008 09:15:12 PM
You know, I consider myself a big movie geek; but, after reading the geeks on this board, I can see why no one listens. Bashing a TEASER TRAILER. Wow. How about the fact that it's another Indiana Jones movie? We should all be happy right there. Geeze people
Why is No One Worried About David Koepp? by D. Tyranus	Feb 17th, 2008 09:21:33 PM
I defy anyone. DEFY YOU. To tell me of a film he wrote that wasn't utter shit. The guy must be stopped and the fact Spielberg has gone sweet on him is clearly an indication of his old age laziness, or senility, or both.
Well RicCage... by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 09:25:36 PM
How about the fact that we're bashing a teaser trailer and not being happy about another Indy movie - as this teaser trailer doesn't look good - and we're worried that from the looks of things, and the fear that it might continue into the film itself, we are thinking that the movie might suck a bit, therefore it's not something to be that happy about. I was well Jazzed up for Indy 4, but if this teaser is a representation of the whole movie, well then perhaps I should be feeling a bit sad instead. So far, the teaser has my happy feelings stumped.
Well I speak for myself, I dunno about EVERYONE though, though I by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 09:28:47 PM

am sure that others do have the same 'fear'. by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 09:29:24 PM

The reason it's not cut right... by Prossor	Feb 17th, 2008 09:30:27 PM
is because.... it's a fucking trailer.
If any1 starts referring to this film as KOTCS... by Jesus of Suburbia	Feb 17th, 2008 09:32:09 PM
I'm to embark on a fire-bombing campaign.
Prossor by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 09:36:21 PM
'The reason it's not cut right.. is because.... it's a fucking trailer....' Ummmm, no. It's not cut right FOR a teaser trailer. The fact is, that the KOTCS teaser contains many shoddy cuts or chosen scenes.
End of the world by THE KNIGHT	Feb 17th, 2008 09:37:05 PM
What next, a regulation on how much tissue we use to wipe our asses?
Terribly constructed trailer by performingmonkey	Feb 17th, 2008 09:39:40 PM
You'd think that, considering Crystal Skull has/had the chance of becoming one of the highest-grossing pictures of all time, they'd put a little more effort into the trailer. The first half is god-awful. Considering how jokey Doom and Crusade were (and Skull is gonna be more of the same) and how much of a cool 'accidental' hero Indy is, why big him up to be this dramatic civilization conquering hero with music more fitting to Schindler's List? The second half does an average job of showing us clips from Skull, though the only part I think 'that's Indy' is the silouette of him putting on the hat. It's looks like Cate Blanchett and her Russian crew are gonna be a parody of a parody. Also, the action has no danger, something that the Pirates sequels suffered from when you've got Jack swinging all over the place and miraculously managing to land on the sail through the wonder of CGI. It looks like after all the hoo-har over Shia's casting he might turn out to be one of the better things about the movie. Maybe because the rest of it dines at CGI Fridays. If anything, what we've seen of Skull reminds me of Lost World: Jurassic Park. The 'Berg has entered that mode again, I feel. Makes sense considering Lost World was the last time he did anything fun.
peytonallen by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 09:42:49 PM
I agree with you about the concern that IJATKOTCS has too many characters all running around in a big 'bunch'. Too much going on with them all. I'd rather see Indy do some more solo stuff too, rather than Spielberg have to juggle so many guys all at once and make them all get ample screen time. Again, I do agree with some others, that this reeks too much of IJATLC not just in this way, but in the so far, 'safe' feeling that the hype so far has revealed. Man, when are we gonna see some echoes of IJATTOD? Indy bleeding, more colour, scary villains, more violence and danger? WHEEEEEEEEEENNNNah?!
No shot AT ALL wowed you, Mori? by Booster Gold Lives	Feb 17th, 2008 09:43:08 PM
Not even that shot of the fedora with the silhouette as the Raiders March began to play? If you ask me, it could've ended there and worked as a hell of a teaser trailer. That said, I dug it. Could've been better, but we've seen worse.
How could you NOT like the shot where... by KurtLockwood	Feb 17th, 2008 09:43:24 PM
...Indy doffs his fedora in silhouette? Iconic, Moriarty, iconic...
Munro Kelly by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 09:53:46 PM
"Remember that they are making this one (IJATKOTCS) for the fans." Yeah but let's face it, what do the 'fans' know? Come on, their geeky idiots a lot of the time that would cheer for stuff like another Jason Vs Freddy or Aliens Vs Predator movie, then just complain about it when it comes out as well as saying that it's been done to death (but they'll still watch another one only to make the same complaints again), or pretend that they DON'T want another Die Hard movie, but actually DO like it when it comes out and then say that they want another one. Let's face it, the fans are freaking idiots - and Spielberg should be wary about listening to them. When we ask for another sequel, we're doing it out of obligation or just a knee jerk 'couldn't think of anything else to say' kind of thing. In short, I'll sum it up with the words of Ricky Martin about his show 'The Office' and 'Extras' (even though the correct word for non idiots is 'Supporting Artists', get a brain people) and why he decided to quit from doing a 3rd series of each, even though the 'fans' were screaming out for it, like the 'so called' good taste intelligent people that they are.... ' Ricky said 'You think you want it... but you don't'. Same with IJATKOTCS guys. You know you're wrong, and that I am right. You know it now, you're gonna hotdamn well know it when you walk out of the theatre.
car chase along the ledge by sith_rising	Feb 17th, 2008 10:00:13 PM
felt very "Indy" to me, as did him swinging through the windshield on accident. I'm excited about this!
The Alteration Isn't Meant to Protect Mori by WriteFromLeft	Feb 17th, 2008 10:06:06 PM
...from the horrors of a fake machine gun. In theory, the rule was created for a kid who sees the trailer during Spiderwick, picks up daddy's handgun when he goes home and wants to play bang, bang, you're dead with the neighbor. Like it or not, there's that little thing in the constitution about the right to bear arms. But the thing is, daddy-who-bought-the-gun is probably an overworked, underpaid Joe who doesn't see much of his kids because he works day and night to make up for the lack of wage increases in the US in the last, oh, eight years or so. I have no love for the MPAA, in fact, I think it's incredibly lame of them not to force X- ratings on films containing violent content, but let's face it, that's why that rule is there, like it or not.
WeinerPenis by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 10:09:06 PM
I like to think that Spielberg is giving IJATKOTCS the WOTW treatment. Annoy the fans with showing them NOTHING throughout all the hype - and then just blowing them away with the explosion of what the film REALLY has in store for us when we actually see it. One can only hope though. I for one can't wait to see the Aliens in this film, especially the botanical marine amphibious look that they have, from the final paintings I saw from a mate of mine who worked on it. Or the scene in which Ray Winstone dies by being devoured by them as detailed in a script page that my mate showed me too, but mostly I wanna see the scene at the end where things go supernatural like in IJATROTLA and the Aliens who actually apparently are supposed to be derived from God as well (rather than deny the existence of him), go and unleash all their spiritual 'forces' and 'power' in the catacombs of the Malay 'temple' and in the display of bright light, they vaporise most of the Russian bad guys and the temple itself and the Apocalyptic show of fire and earthquake as Indy and his buddies and son try to escape, whilst at the same time, try to kill Cate Blanchett who has the skulls and stop her from creating an all power of Alien slavedom and and rule over the whole world (as 'whatever being commands the skull, commands existence' is the script quote or something). Trust me, if this 28 page something Armageddon epic sequence can be done on screen as well as on paper that some people from IJATKOTCS have told me about, well then this film just MIGHT deliver. I just hope that the future trailer doesn't hint at this like WOTW didn't, as again, it's best that stuff like this is not seen or leaked visually until people see the film and get the schock and suprise of seeing that story happen THEN.
Yeah sith_rising by Orionsangels	Feb 17th, 2008 10:09:29 PM
It appears that the effects have purposely been downgraded to fit with the look of the other Indy films. Which is fine by me. If they suddendly added sophisticated modern CG effects. It would stand out more and take you out of Indy's world.
The Trailer need some work by noodleheadstudios	Feb 17th, 2008 10:14:13 PM
I do agree that the trailer just didn't work for me either. I had a vision for the past years of what it should have been and parts of my vision were there but it was so choppy and rough it didn't excite me. Thus I have erased the trailer from my mind and forgotten it has existed. I am very much looking forward to the film.
Gee there, Mori, simply seeing Indy again wowed me. by lavaboat	Feb 17th, 2008 10:22:20 PM
Just seeing Indy standing there with his hands up really struck me. Held power for me. For me, this was better than any unlikely setpiece, special effect or stunt. For two minutes I forgot that I was watching a trailer that I was supposed to have an opinion about later. Indy was back and I was shot backwards in time . . . back to time when I didn't know how movies were put together and sold, back to a time when trailers were not something that you "cut" and "iconography" was not something that you "sold."
I got chills from the moment the shadow picked up by skywalkerfamily	Feb 17th, 2008 10:28:31 PM
the hat. Classic.
WeinerPenis by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 10:30:10 PM
Yeah I remember reading that too. Though I hope we get IJATTOD and IJATROTLA kinda look, and not the IJATLC 'clean' colourless look. I want the nitty gritty, but mostly I want the scary reddish albeit bright white blinding look that the film needs when the Alien powers start killing everyone in the end sequences. I think hand held cam as Indy and his pals flee the underground earthquake volcanoing settings has to be the way to go. Shoot it on the hop, like he did in SPR where he emplyoyed 'accidental' camera shots as much as possible to create the correct feel for it. I think there's also some kind of 'The Abyss' resurrection scene in it too, where either Indy's son or Marion dies, but has to be brought back to life through the power of the Alien Skull but only if the holder can be truthfully willing to die to prove their love and desire for their deceased love one (hint, he does as the scene's result shows) or something, I dunno what is written in it's reference completely. Well I have NO IDEA how Kaminski should shoot it. At first I thought, shoot it in the same way that was done in The Abyss all shaky and real, but then the scene with Indy is all about his belief in love and anything holy so it will need a more transcending higher 'being' feel to it, so the cinematography will need something more 'spiritual' and fleeting, and let's face it, a hovering looking into another world feel of photography contradicts shaky cam, doesn't it. The question, similar to what Spielberg had on a scene in Schindler's List is, 'to dolly or NOT to dolly'.
Moriartys tiny cock... by tehgreekhammer	Feb 17th, 2008 10:37:25 PM
gets all hard over the thought of Eli Roth in a hotel room, but he thinks this trailer is meh. whatever...
tehgreekhammer by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 10:41:15 PM
Leave Mori along you spunkprat. Mori's a cool guy.
Howdy Kirk. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Feb 17th, 2008 10:50:35 PM
What are you doing in Talkback?
Mr. Nice Gaius by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 10:56:51 PM
I thought I'd pop in here as I don't have to get up to do any Film Extra (Sorry, Supporting Artist work) or Tiger Shark film editing work, and discuss the IJATKOTCS with some people here. At least they have taste, unlike the Zone! I thought they should know how things end at the end of this movie so they can have their expectations altered or improved as they seem to be so down about it. I thought that letting them know what's in store at the end from some movie friends of mine who worked on Indy 4 in Peru might be uplifting to them.
kirk by JLo	Feb 17th, 2008 10:57:45 PM
how do you know so much about the script?
Captain Kirk by tehgreekhammer	Feb 17th, 2008 10:58:23 PM
Look dude, Im not saying Moriarty isnt a nice guy. Im just pointing out that Mariarty gets more excited about the guy who brought us such hits as: Cabin Fever Torture Porn 1 and Torture Porn 2 than he does for the guys who brought us: E.T. Star Wars Saving Private Ryan Close Encounters and Howard the Duck Just sayin...
Iconography. by Bubba Gillman	Feb 17th, 2008 10:58:49 PM
The Indy movies are not really about iconography. They are adventure movies that have been elevated to iconic status because of our feelings towards them, and the craftsmanship that went into making them. It was the right decision not to overdo the return of Indiana Jones aspect, as though we were dealing with a hallowed or sacred character (even though many of us feel that way about him). The movie, and to a lesser degree the trailer, shouldn't play to the fandom that surrounds the series, but should be true to the series itself. The shot of the hat on the ground, and his shadow against the jeep, is all the iconography you need, and perfectly in line with the other movies.
This looks great! And it's just a teaser! by Space Disc Jockey	Feb 17th, 2008 11:00:05 PM
This is just a teaser trailer and I'm excited to see the film. Sure, Harrison is old, but damnit, this is Indiana Jones! It can't be bad and it certainly won't ever top "Raiders". I think the movie looks like a lot of fun. Bring on the full trailer! It's going to be a kick-ass summer, indeed!
the flag by brassai2003	Feb 17th, 2008 11:00:55 PM
I think people are missing the point of the flag. It's not a postive icon, since the next scene in the trailer is Indy being kicked around by the US Army. Am I wrong?
Cpt Kirk by leobloom	Feb 17th, 2008 11:01:36 PM
Some reason why you feel the need to use those long acroynms? Why preface all of them with IJAT?
The Flag by The Funketeer	Feb 17th, 2008 11:05:30 PM
Y'know the flag could have been there because the scene took place at a U.S. military base.
leobloom by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:06:00 PM
"Some reason why you feel the need to use those long acroynms? Why preface all of them with IJAT?" It's called.. being specific. Being correct. Articulate. Detailed. We live in a world of too much vagueness don't you think? Especially as we're talking about movies that we love.
American Flag by Banky the Hack	Feb 17th, 2008 11:06:44 PM
Isn't the American flag included to infer that Indy is being roughed up by his own government at the beginning of the trailer? Those soldiers with guns on him are US soldiers, I do believe. I hardly think that's the sort of "patriotic" statement most of you are insinuating.
And I should learn to read by Banky the Hack	Feb 17th, 2008 11:07:31 PM
The most recent posts before I bother restating things...
JLo by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:11:58 PM
Well I work as a Supporting Artist (Film Extra to normal people) and have done films like Gladiator and even SW 1 and 2 (sorry for ruining it guys) though I don't work much more than a day on such films. I also do other independent smaller crew work on little films, (I am finishing 2 films off of my own about diving with tiger Sharks and Great Whites right now) so I am kind of in the industry. So without bragging, I do like to think that I know people or 'connections' though mostly at lower production levels who work on other movies too, even though I don't work on them myself. So even though I didn't work on IJATKOTCS I do know friends or at least one, who has worked on it. He obviously knows other people on it too. So he likes to share this stuff with me what not. I hope this answers your questions. I mean, I'm sure there's others here in the TB who have connections in film too. Nice to meet you all!
tehgreekhammer by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:12:43 PM
I'm sorry I called you a Spunkprat.
Cpt Kirks 2pay by Mr. Nice Gaius	Feb 17th, 2008 11:20:30 PM
Cool man, I hear ya. I have to say that I was not really blown away by the INDY4 trailer. However, I did feel that it contained just enough "Indy Magic" to get me excited again. The infamous silhouette was enough to make me smile. I had no idea that you actually worked in/on film. But that's fantastic news regarding your two diving films. You should definitely give us the word on your progress when you can and let us know how things turn out. You know...like in TB...or that other place. :^)
apparently pointing a gun at someone... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 17th, 2008 11:24:05 PM
... is more harmful to watch during trailers than guns being fired at someone - the mpaa is full of shit and always has been - and the flag, while it doesnt bother me that much, is such an awkward attempt at painting this franchise as just "america=goodguys/everyone else=badguys" - when in reality the all 3 movies to date have shown its all much grayer than that - but as someone else said in another talkback, if youre going to open the trailer with scenes from exotic locales (deserts specifically) you better push the flag in our faces for the sensitive morons that need a distinction to be made between our hero and his adventures (where ever they might take place)
kirk by JLo	Feb 17th, 2008 11:26:02 PM
cool that sounds like fun! so from what you know do you think this will be better than what people are speculating here on AICN?
Cap, then why use the acronyms at all? by leobloom	Feb 17th, 2008 11:28:51 PM
Why not spell out the full title, if it's such a big deal to be specific. Isn't an acronym inherently vague? P.S. IJATROTLA is revisionist history, if you want to get technical, since it was called "Raiders of the Lost Ark" for many years. Whatever, I'm just being a dick now.
No Problem 2Pay by tehgreekhammer	Feb 17th, 2008 11:31:50 PM
Indys one of my favorite franchises is all. And Its one of the movies Ive been looking forward to the most. And to have to read Maryarty whine about the trailer (um its a teaser dude) not be cool enough, or "why are the guns painted out? Its ruined for me" While seeing that mr Douche-bag Roth is starting to rear his ugly head again after the abysmal failure that was Torture Porn 2. And Maryiarty mouth/keyboard seems to be gushing with Eli-asmic anticipation. Good luck with the films dude. Im an editor (commercials and music videos) here in NY, and I know what the post process is like. Lotta late hours, alot of swearing, and angry calls from the wife.
for thos that didnt like this "teaser" by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 17th, 2008 11:35:09 PM
remember, thats all it is - a teaser - the reason its awkward and feels unsatisfying might be because the footage shown is the least spoiler filled - thats how it felt to me - as if the movie and its story, inspite of this being the first teaser, is still hidden from us - the official theatrical release "trailer" will be better and more satisfying im sure - inspite of all this censorship crap, im still looking forward to this a great deal - not been this excited since ROTS
JLo by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:37:32 PM
Well I think that one should hold out a bit more hope when you regard that the final leg of this movie will be like completely and literally explosive and like nothing you've seen before, let alone in an Indy movie. Things basically go supernova and quite graphic in terms of how the Russians and especially Cate Blanchett die by the Aliens. So who knows if it will be better than what people think? I personally think it's all about the performances. I don't see why everyone slags off Shia so much as I think he's such a natural and totally limitless actor. I don't think there's nothing that he can't do. But when it comes to performance my eye is on Ray Winstone. Who I observed to be a consumnate performer when I saw him work on Sexy Beast. Such time he takes to getting realism. But for the life of me, I have no idea how he is going to do the scene where he dies in IJATKOTCS, as it's been described as if his body gets pulled from the inside out, like his insides are sucked out from him first, before his skin is reversed. Just shows what strange Alien powers these beings posess. How do you act that? Can't wait to see that though. Just hope it works.
Cpt Kirks gone nutso over in the Taken TB by leobloom	Feb 17th, 2008 11:45:52 PM
I bet you're really connected to the industry. Yeah. Whatever you say. Nutcase.
leobloom by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:46:09 PM
You said "IJATROTLA is revisionist history, if you want to get technical, since it was called "Raiders of the Lost Ark" for many years." Well I don't know what you mean. As in IJATROTLA they did say that the Ark is part of real life history and that althout rewriting it in said film, it is not stated that it did actually happen. Weird that as in IJATTOD and IJATLC it is NOT stated that the archetypes existed in one but DID exist in the other, in history. The artetypes of the Sankara Stones and the Holy Grail that is. So who knows what revisionist history is, if an archefact did exist in one but not the other?
Kirk, most people are pissed with the ending by krack	Feb 17th, 2008 11:46:42 PM
Not with the execution per se - I certainly haven't seen the film and even if I did, this is film school (I don't care if the technically shot it well). Most who know how the movie end are kind of pissed with the aliens being in the film. BTW, I'm the last person in the world to complain about spoiler warnings, but your post really should have had them - you start talking about basic stuff and then throw two or three gigantic plot point surprises in there out of left field. You're going to ruin some peoples' day.
Should have read "isn't film school" by krack	Feb 17th, 2008 11:48:11 PM
Nice shitty forums with no editting function, AICN.
He's saying "IJAT" is revisionist by krack	Feb 17th, 2008 11:51:04 PM
He's saying sticking "Indiana Jones and the" in front of Raiders of the Lost Ark is revisionist history. He's saying Lucas can't leave well enough fucking alone. He's saying Lucas tried to change an iconic name and the general public said "fuck you, we're still calling it Raiders of the Lost Ark."
leobloom by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:51:22 PM
Oh I'm sorry about that other Taken thread. I'm sorry, but that kind of shallow infantile and disrespectful attitude there, really did make me angry with them. It's like a father having to deal with 10 kids - knowing that they're total horrors and they don't deserve your love. So yeah, I mean, I might be 'connected' but that's a strong word - to the industry, but let's face it. I am only a lowlife fucking film extra who does sod all work and you don't need a brain for. Extras are the shitpile of the industry if you must know, not all that good. So yeah, I guess I don't go too high up the ladder as I can go nuts at times, like you say. Well let's not say that I'm 'connected' then, as I lack a better word. Let's just say that I vaguely know friends of friends. People in positions that I so much want to be in, but I can't as again, I am a little too freaky inside about things I care about. (though your 'nutcase' jab did hurt a little.)
thegeekhammer - Moriarty is a cock, but ... by krack	Feb 17th, 2008 11:53:46 PM
he's the only one on AICN that didn't support Hostel. You sound like an idiot mentioning it every 6 posts. If you want to make fun of him, point out his hypocrasy regarding the leaked Hulk screener.
krack by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:54:05 PM
No, isn't he saying that IJATROTLA is revising history as in saying that the Ark did exist but was found by the Third Reich? THAT'S revisionist history. I just don't know what to call IJATTOD in this term of revisionist history as I don't know if the Sankara stones did actually exist?
krack by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 17th, 2008 11:57:54 PM
Sorry, again. Should have posted in the above one too. I just thought that seeing as how people here seem to be in a depressed mood about what they know so far, they would want cheering up and hope being brought to them by knowing that the ending has a lot of big things and suprises in it that they will enjoy. Many people don't care about Spoilers anyway so again, it's the 'you think you don't want it but you do' thing. The 'you think you don't want to know about IJATKOTCS, but you do want to know about IJATKOTCS'. So i just thought that I'd tell them. I just thought it would interest and perk people up for the film again. As so far, the publicity for it has been negative.
Kirk - no, he specifically mentions the acronyms by krack	Feb 17th, 2008 11:59:02 PM
He's giving talking about trying to change the title 25 years later.
I agree with M that the trailer was anti-climactic... by UnChienAndalou	Feb 17th, 2008 11:59:41 PM
I'm sure the movie will nicely accomplish what it sets out to do within the parameters of summer popcorn entertainment but I felt this first bit of advertising had virtually no WOW! factor whatsoever and at no point did I think "holy f-ing s**t I want to take a temporary employment leave and get in line for this thing right now!!!"
krack by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 18th, 2008 12:03:03 AM
But why did he call the film a 'revisionist history'? That[s got nithing to do with the title does it? I think he meant that it was revising WW2 history by cross referencing revising biblical history? I don't get what that's got to do with changing the title?
tehgreekhammer by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 18th, 2008 12:07:45 AM
Yeah, editing. You know what it's like eh? :) Like spending all your time on here talking about films you want to be on if only you were good enough, (well I speak for me anyway) when I should be working on editing. So I'm on TB instead. Or I'm downloading hot chick movies instead, too much time watching Shania Twain sing her songs on Youtube, I dunno, I just can't stop! I should get back to work or sleep! Oh well, roll on IJATKOTCS.
The more I watch it, the better I feel... by RandySavage	Feb 18th, 2008 12:09:16 AM
My biggest concern going into this film was whether Ford could find the old Indy in himself; which I doubted after seeing him act and interview over the past 15 years. While the speaking lines in this teaser haven't yet convinced me he has, Ford's physicality and body movement looked just like the old Indiana, and that alone is cause for hope.
Oh I just rembered a line by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Feb 18th, 2008 12:21:00 AM
from IJATROTLA where Paul Freeman puts his hand on hte Ark and says 'This IS history'!!! Hope that helps sums things up about the film being revisionist history? Heh. Sorry, that was a bad joke I think. Sorry, I didn't mean to take the piss there. Though I still am not sure if you see this film in this way.
The trailer was awesome! by GibsonUSA	Feb 18th, 2008 12:24:33 AM
AICN posters are known as haters, but sometimes I am with you guys...like with the Rambo ad campaign (though I enjoyed the movie!). But COOOOME OOOOOOON....how in the WORLD can you pick on this INDY teaser? It was fantastic!! The "pacing"...."they should have used this bg music instead"...WTF?? It's like your LOOKING for problems or something. A teaser than opens with the hat being put back on the head and Indy swinging/driving around in action...thats FANTASTIC. People are actually saying stuff like "This person's here...then he's here, that makes no sense!"....looking for story consistency in tha TEASER TRAILER?? Are you kidding? Wow....just wow. When you hate on stuff like this, it ruins your credibility for when you hate on stuff that truly deserves venom. Just had to sign on to say this.
He's saying the TITLE is revisionist history. by krack	Feb 18th, 2008 12:32:27 AM
He's saying the movie is named "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and when Lucas asked people to stop calling it "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and start calling it "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" he was REVISING history. That is what the guy meant when he said you the acronym was revisionist history. He was specifically refering to you using the editted title instead of the original title. That's all he was talking about. He never mentioned any of the other stuff you are talking about.
Thanks for the link, Mo! by Zakari Paolon	Feb 18th, 2008 12:32:35 AM
I'm one of the ones who loved the trailer. For me what they needed to do was show the tone of the movie in a way that gives absolutely no story spoilers, and I feel that's just what they did. For a teaser it works perfect, just gives you the flavor without giving away huge story details (that we didnèt already know through released stills, anyway). But to see it as it was meant to be seen is pretty cool, so thanks for the links!.
Cap, I'm talking about the title change... by leobloom	Feb 18th, 2008 12:32:50 AM
from Raiders of the Lost Art to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Sorry for the confusion. Changing the title of a classic film 20 years later is revisionist history. When else has that happened...hmmm...
Gibson, it doesn't start with ... by krack	Feb 18th, 2008 12:38:25 AM
"the hat being put back on the head and Indy swinging/driving around in action". It starts with 45 seconds of unrecognizable music and shorts clips of the original films that, if you made a list of iconic imagery from each film, would be in the bottom half of each film. It could have been better, that's all people are saying.
Krack by leobloom	Feb 18th, 2008 12:45:39 AM
You mean the shot of bats flying overhead from TOD isn't on your list of favorite Indy moments??? Yeah that opening montage was not a good sign. Why not use the Map Room music? Why have the clips intercut with that pompous language in National-Treasure font ("He rescused the cradle of civilization" or whatever). Once the new stuff started, I was pleasantly surprised. But yeah, the opening flashback scenes were really handled terribly. The way they were presented didn't look anything like the Indy trailers of old.
Well said, Gibson by maverick2484	Feb 18th, 2008 12:46:18 AM
Saw the teaser in theatres before "Jumper" (the second time that Fox has taken a shit on my eyeballs and my wallet in the last 2 months, AVP:R being the other one, though I have no one to blame for this but myself) and it got a great reaction. This is undoubtedly the film to beat this summer. The Dark Knight is gonna pull a Batman Returns/Temple of Doom and be too dark and violent. That might make it a great movie, but it won't have the widespread appeal that this will have. Teens will see it who discovered the Indy series on DVD, aging Boomers who were there in '81 will be excited, it's got a shot at $300 mil. As for the teaser itself, I could have done without the messianic "God is coming back" approach to recapping the trilogy...Indy should never be portrayed that seriously. The beauty of the character is that he always saves the day, but he bumbles and gets hurt in the process. He's not slick, and he's certainly not self-serious. That said, the action shots really do it for me. The whole "I thought that was closer" line? It's perfect. It's a nod to the character's age (which is necessary when Ford is in his '60s), but it's also quintessential Indy humour. Even as a younger man, Indy still might have missed that jump. Blanchett is always great, Shia can't possibly suck as much as Short-Round, and anyone who thinks an alien plot is too outlandish needs to remember that this is the same character who, um, found the HOLY FUCKING GRAIL THAT JESUS DRANK FROM. Realism is exactly the hallmark of these films. This one looks like a winner. Spielberg, you magnificent bastard.
True about the Billboard by Tourist	Feb 18th, 2008 01:29:17 AM
You bitch about that, because its up for public consumption and viewable by children. So is this.
armchair wannabes drop it already by aboriginal	Feb 18th, 2008 01:29:28 AM
shit, man . . . you've got something iconic and kickass making another return to the screen and you can't help but shia't all over it. WTF!?! Bitch, bitch, bitch seems to be the flavor 'round here. As for the 'merican flag from what I know about the period of this film the villains and the Macguffin the image is in there for the scene's sake when you've got Cold War infiltratin' Russkies heading into the heart of America's secret Area 51. The fucking flag's in there for the establishing shot and what the fuck ever ad agency that put this trailer together ('cuz that's usually who does these things and not the studio per-se) decided is was an element to play up even though there isn't anything to really tell the viewer when or where this is except in little elements. I ain't no flag hugger, but leave it be until we move past the teaser trailer and into the meat. And, like I said, WTF!?!?! We've got ourselves another Indy movie and the only bitchin' I've got is that its 10 years late, but better than never.
Indiana Jones... by Tourist	Feb 18th, 2008 01:41:11 AM
...From Raiders and Temple and to a lesser extent Crusade is iconic. We, or more accurately they, bitch because its just someone dragging up an inconic character to utilise in a shitfest to make a buck. He was doing quite well being left alone. That said, I don't really give a fuck either way, because I think Indies like, maybe a couple of levels below Jack Burton.
Here's the ending clip ... by RandySavage	Feb 18th, 2008 01:48:41 AM
from when Ford appeared in Young Indiana Jones Chronicles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kcwEIs5_z7E Here's hoping we see a lot more of that twinkle in Ford's eye in Indy IV:
This link works by RandySavage	Feb 18th, 2008 01:51:40 AM
http://tiny.cc/Nz5EI
The clip of Ford on the Young IJ Chronicles... by leobloom	Feb 18th, 2008 02:08:27 AM
is perfect. You have lame writing, Indy with a beard, an implausible twist (Indy plays a bad note on a saxophone and snow slides off the roof burying the villains? ooook...) and then at the end in big fucking letters: EXECUTIVE PRODUCER GEORGE LUCAS. But the new Indy will be great. It's a movie, not tv...right? right?...
You are all joyless horrible people by darthvedder81	Feb 18th, 2008 02:17:04 AM
Except that GL didn't write or direct that episode so you can't really pin any of that on him. I remember watching that when it first aired and thought it was great. I just love the haters. You automatically blame Lucas for problems you have with his work while simultaneously NOT giving him credit for the stuff you do like ("It wasn't GL is was Gary Kurtz/Marcia Lucas/Irvin "Robocop 2" Kershner, etc,etc, etc").
leobloom - RE: Young IJ clip by krack	Feb 18th, 2008 02:19:10 AM
I couldn't have said it better. Although, having never seen it before, I'm shocked there isn't at least one fart joke and one spunky kid.
Darthvedder by leobloom	Feb 18th, 2008 02:23:55 AM
Maybe you're right. But then again, Lucas backed the idea of the Young IJ Chronicles, which was a disgrace to the three films that preceded it. I loved the movies when I was young and I don't think I ever watched a single episode of Young IJ, probably because it wasn't entertaining and didn't capture the feel of the movies. So even though the clip of Ford as "old" IJ sucks, the whole series sucked worse. And that suckage is all on Lucas's shoulders for allowing it to shit on the Indy universe.
Young Indy was great. It was a good by skywalkerfamily	Feb 18th, 2008 02:28:38 AM
alternative to the let's have fistfights every ten minutes crowd. Young Indy wasn't supposed to be the movie Indy. It was a young Indy discovering his world.
But Young IJ wasn't about the character by leobloom	Feb 18th, 2008 02:48:32 AM
it was about edutaintment, trying to make history interesting for kids. I dunno. I must be a moron for not appreciating that highbrow stuff.
Just noticed the rocket car... by BlackIronPrison	Feb 18th, 2008 03:01:26 AM
or whatever you want to call it, from the Saucermen from Mars script. Indy swings over it when kicking that dude through the window. Wonder what else they're using from that particular script? Shit, i've heard about merman type shit goin on potentially. Maybe Kirk is right about the aliens amphibious nature?
Flag by paineywoo	Feb 18th, 2008 03:14:36 AM
I just downloaded the 'International' trailer only to get the 'flag' in there again....jeeze - the PROPER international trailer has NO flag (as seen over at thesun dot co uk). Boo. Etc... (Just saying)
Here is a quick comparo gif.... by Doc_Hudson	Feb 18th, 2008 03:15:15 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2m8wsv Good grief....:(
krack by GibsonUSA	Feb 18th, 2008 03:15:27 AM
What? You want the trailer to start with the boulder? Or the raft down the mountain? Short Round riding the elephant? All while playing familiar iconic themes? Basically...just give away the movie and deflate the buildup right at the beginning?? The beginning of the teaser is MEANT to be only semi-familiar. It seems designed to give a "wait a minute....it couldn't be...??" feeling to the audience. Then when the foot steps forward and the theme music starts, THEY KNOW...thier suspicions have been answered. Most people will not watch this trailer on AICN with a big "INDY IV!!!!!" heading, but rather in the theater with a bunch of other trailers. They won't see it coming...so its important not to completely give the movie away in the beginning of the teaser. Make them wait a moment....its imagination.
maverick2484 by GibsonUSA	Feb 18th, 2008 03:20:46 AM
So you'd convince the advertisers/promoters to highlight Indy's long awaited return as a "bumbling guy who gets hurt"? That may be closer to what he is, but from a promotional standpoint they have got to make him out to be this larger than life icon...hes Optimus Prime. In the movie he can be same old Indy, but advertising to the mainstream he's "INDY F'N JONES!!", you know what I mean?
Greigy Just Wanted To Bitch by CuervoJones	Feb 18th, 2008 04:23:25 AM
Relax andhave some fun. Fun is good.
ARRRGGGH!!! The sight of guns has corrupted me!!!!! by 69DUDE	Feb 18th, 2008 04:23:44 AM
That is all.
George Lucas and the Kingdom of the Golden Cashbox by Chishu_Ryu	Feb 18th, 2008 04:31:08 AM
After May 22, George Lucas will make a mint from introducing a generation of new fans and older ones to the Indy franchise who will then proceed to spend the rest of the next few years buying Indiana Jones DVD and Blu-Ray Boxsets as well all related movie merchandise. Another brilliant Lucasfilm money making machine guaranteed to get asses in seats a la the Prequel Trilogy...
American Presidents by IndiAbbey Jones	Feb 18th, 2008 05:03:49 AM
Posted this in the previous Indy TB butit's died. All the soilders that manhandle Indy are named after American Presidents.
What's not to love in that there trailer!!!??? by FILMFUNK	Feb 18th, 2008 05:11:08 AM
Indy shilouetted against the car putting his hat on the shortsighted swing back into the truck behind! the natives advancing through the tomb the clifftop chase The warehouse full of crates The same sound effect of stone scraping from Raiders when the idol is removed. the big frikin Myan or Aztec ruin/maze tomb puzzles!!! Marion Pat Roach (I hope that's him!?) Ray Winston Cate Blanchet! How uncool is it to piss on that trailer on this suposed moviegeeks site!? Very fucking UNCOOL! I'm no apologist for bad movies, nor am I a raving Lucas ass kisser! the guy should leave his own classics alone and concentrate his efforts not CGing up his backcatalogue but making new adventures! god knows he's got the talent for tall tales but this looks like everything you could want from a 4th Indy movie and tons more! and the only thing I can see worth Bitching like a little bitchy bitch about is possibly the fact they lowered the guns in the trailer with a little bit of dodgy cut and paste, which I never even noticed, and which won't even be in the film!!! so quit bitchin!!!
I liked the trailer by Gamerra_Presley	Feb 18th, 2008 05:51:06 AM
Hey it's Indy. Wait and see.
No because, guns should be pointed at your own mouth by ricarleite	Feb 18th, 2008 06:04:05 AM
Not at someone else. Good job MPAA. Protected the US of A of another school massacr... oh nevermind. Too soon? Eh?
Good lord by ProoferFromHell	Feb 18th, 2008 06:05:43 AM
You talkbackers crack me up. You either bitch about too much given away in a trailer or not enough. There's no pleasing the lot of you, is there? For me personally, the trailer did what I think it was supposed to do - get me excited about seeing Indy back in action. I for one will be at the midnight show, if they have one here, with my 13-year-old son. We went out this weekend and got the first three, and we're watching them together. Obviously I'm not an industry insider or a film student, just someone who likes movies of all types. So, there's my two cents, for what it's worth.
Fuck the CGI, what about... by Space	Feb 18th, 2008 06:10:15 AM
... the lamps and flag n' stuff that shows at the end of the clip with Indy trying to swing onto the car? With that said, the trailer is fucking great!
the flag was put in by vadakinX	Feb 18th, 2008 07:10:36 AM
How do we know this? Because it's cgi. Therefore by it's very nature, it was added to the shot. Playing both versions side by side you see that they are the same exact shot. Now, it should be noted that in the trailer for Spider-man 3, there was a cgi US flag in a shot, that wasnt in the international version, and the cgi'd flag version made it into the final film. So we will have to wait for the final film before we see which version of the shot is "as intended". Now I know you Americans are almost Nazi-like when it comes to patriotism...note, I'm not calling yo Nazi's, but in terms of celebrating being American, you are very similar to the Germans during the Nazi regime, with Pledges of Alliegiance, and so much respect for national symbols, like the flag....but surely even you guys must be sick of these slo-mo stars and stripes shots that are appearing more and more in movies these days.
vadakinX, you disingenuous cock. by DocPazuzu	Feb 18th, 2008 07:20:21 AM
If you're going to draw parallels between American patriotism and Nazi blood & earth fervor, at least have the courage of your convictions and say so. Don't suggest a comparison and then back out to avoid flak, thus having the cake and eating it.
As for the flag... by DocPazuzu	Feb 18th, 2008 07:22:41 AM
...it's obviously being flown over the gates of a military base or some other government installation which the vehicles are on their way to. If I'm not mistaken, there's an identical shot in Jurassic Park when our protagonists pass through the gate into the actual park.
Did anyone notice the tiny glimpse of the Skull from Temple of D by Earthling	Feb 18th, 2008 07:23:16 AM
It's in the Temple of Doom section near the start and is a quick dissolve between the shot of the Kali statue and the bats. I'm fairly certain that was not in the US version. If so, why? It's like 8 frames!
As much as I can't wait to see this movie... by JumpinJehosaphat	Feb 18th, 2008 07:25:12 AM
That trailer is about as poorly edited as a trailer can get. It's simply a mess.
MUTT WILLIAMS by IndiAbbey Jones	Feb 18th, 2008 07:35:06 AM
http://www.cooltoyreview.com/T F2008/Hasbro/IJpresentation/im age6.asp Mutt Williams confirmed and Cemetry Warrior? WTF!
The problem with haters... by DocPazuzu	Feb 18th, 2008 07:36:21 AM
...like Merriman (and moviemack and ringwearer9), is that they invariably paint themselves into a corner with their reasoning. Instead of merely complaining about how a trailer is cut (like many other reasonably have), they take minute details of a trailer and use it as irrefutable evidence that the movie is going to suck. With this kind of stance, there is literally nothing in the actual film that can prove them wrong since they don't allow that possibility. To make things worse, they say things like "The odds are in my favor!" and "You heard it here first!", which is the worst, cheapest, most cowardly and most pathetic form of cynicism on these boards. If they are right, they can claim some sort of perverted glory; if they're wrong, they can just slink away and come back with a new username to avoid derision from their peers. What fucking saddoes...
vadakinX - your argument is full of holes by Earthling	Feb 18th, 2008 07:38:54 AM
In the case of this movie trailer, where we glimpse a flag in the foreground of a shot, the context is completely up for grabs. The impression I got (admittedly, being a huge fan of Spielberg and an Australian) is that he is suggesting the American military are the latest villains Indy must go up against. The base they are driving towards is almost certainly Area 51/Groom Lake, where the latest McGuffin or is presumably being kept. You could infer that the US Army are, in effect, the Nazis of this movie. But that is all complete guess-work on my part. I just get the impression from different articles and pictures I've seen, that the film has a similar anti-military slant to the other films, especially Raiders, where the US Government are the ones who decide to keep the ark for their own, possibly power-hungry purposes. Either way, we'll soon know one way or another. I reckon this film will deliver in terms of the story, thanks in very large part to Lucas holding his own and shifting the era to the 50s, which was a time (dawn of the cold-war) not unlike our own era of paranoia. post 9/11.
Changing the title of Raiders by chrth	Feb 18th, 2008 07:50:23 AM
They changed the title so that all three movies would be next to each other on the shelf at the video store. There's no conspiracy involved. They were just making it easier for fans to find the movies. I can't believe anyone would bitch about that.
DocPazuzu: One problem with your argument by chrth	Feb 18th, 2008 07:51:25 AM
Ringwearer9 was right (well, at least about ROTK)
I agree with Moriarty by Pizza The Hut	Feb 18th, 2008 07:52:47 AM
and that makes me his buddy.
THE CHIN: You said it was gonna be easy to sell this flick by SpencerTrilby	Feb 18th, 2008 08:08:49 AM
THE BEARD: Not as easy as it used to be... Thank you teh internet.
bring back Short Round!! by BMacSmith	Feb 18th, 2008 08:08:57 AM
Doom was better than Crusade and you fucking know it.
Has everyone seen this before? by IndiAbbey Jones	Feb 18th, 2008 08:11:30 AM
www.cooltoyreview.com/T F2008/Hasbro/IJpresentation/
disappointment in store by Mr Gorilla	Feb 18th, 2008 08:13:19 AM
Of course I hope that Spielberg will play and ace, and TRULY thrill us, and make us laugh. But that jokey, rough-and-tumble tone that felt so fresh in the 80s would feel very 'so what?' now.
MPAA is CGI! by VadersCrotchDoor	Feb 18th, 2008 08:19:39 AM
Wouldn't it be cool if it was disclosed that the MPAA cabal was comprised of CGI characters, upgraded over the past few years from original hand-drawn creations by Disney back in the 60's, and that Jack Valenti had really been nothing more than an Audio-Animatronic figure?
Actually, chrth... by DocPazuzu	Feb 18th, 2008 08:20:03 AM
...if one bears in mind the REASONS ringy said it would suck, my theory is still sound.
Will this one have... by VadersCrotchDoor	Feb 18th, 2008 08:21:31 AM
Spielberg's mistress singing Cole Porter off-key? Oh God I hope so.
re ringy by Lost Jarv	Feb 18th, 2008 08:43:57 AM
Yes he was right, but even a blind squirrell occasionally finds a nut. I'm still enthusiastic about this- and all nitpicking isn't bothering me. It's Indiana Jones, for fuck's sake!
Pictures of new toys at by IndiAbbey Jones	Feb 18th, 2008 08:48:03 AM
www.cooltoyreview.com/T F2008/Hasbro/IJpresentation SPOILERS!
What's with the Ringwearer connection? by SpencerTrilby	Feb 18th, 2008 08:54:04 AM
I don't remember what he was saying about ROTK back then, and am too lazy to use AICN's lazier search engine to find out.
re merriman by Lost Jarv	Feb 18th, 2008 08:55:07 AM
I do see where he's coming from- and in a lot of ways he is right, but the ine he is taking falls down in one significant degree- this is still a Spielberg film. Again, he does speak some truth when he says that Spielberg's best days are behind him, but Spielberg at 50% is still significantly better than almost all opposition. And it's Indiana Jones, how can you not be a bit excited?
SpencerTrilby by DocPazuzu	Feb 18th, 2008 08:55:40 AM
All his old stuff was deleted when he got the ban hammer (as ringbearer9), although I did save his King Kong review for posterity. It's pretty much the same thing.
What? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Feb 18th, 2008 08:55:43 AM
Ringy was right about ROTK? In what capacity?
people aren't hating you for not loving the trailer by ArcadianDS	Feb 18th, 2008 08:57:47 AM
they're hating you for this whole 'Woodward and Bernstein' moment you're trying to fabricate out of a complete non-story. This just in: THE MPAA CENSORS STUFF! Film at 11 Someone in your original fantasy-driven talkback already explained this: there is a "General Audiences" trailer and a "PG-13" trailer, and both are being distributed within the United States. The website went ahead and posted the "G" trailer on their website in case, y'know, kids are interested in Indiana Jones - God forbid (or Xenu forbid in this case) that we make Indiana Jones accessible to a whole new generation. I'm going to be posting this to Eli Roth's underpants in case you're there and not here.
Spencer by Lost Jarv	Feb 18th, 2008 08:58:38 AM
Ringy had a blind irrational hatred towards Jackson and LOTR, because it didn't meet his utterly ludicrous obsessional standards. He slated and bashed it ad nauseum for the most pointy headed of reasons. Although I did not like ROTK, I didn't like it for totally different reasons to Ringy. Because he's crazy. And anyway, I liked the first 2, and he hated them from the moment that jackson was announced as director.
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