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Moriarty Wants To Know Why Ray Winstone Has Magic CGI Pants, And Suspects He Knows Who's To Blame!

first by irc-Hollywood	Feb 15th, 2008 04:34:56 AM
yeah huh.
Can we just throw the members of the MPAA under a truck? by IndustryKiller!	Feb 15th, 2008 04:38:14 AM
No really, just drag them out into the street and shoot the worthless bastards. I'm only half joking.
Hee Hee by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 04:42:13 AM
America is a funny place.
Yeah, I saw that at CHUD too. by TattooedBillionaire	Feb 15th, 2008 04:42:41 AM
What crap, but what do we expect from the MPAA?
How very sad by barnaby jones	Feb 15th, 2008 04:47:23 AM
Gun crime is very obviously a major issue in America right now, but really, changing that shot (no pun intended) will never make any difference to some loon who's prepared to go out and shot people.
Barnaby... by TheRealMoriarty	Feb 15th, 2008 04:49:26 AM
... I debated bringing yesterday's events in real life into the conversation in the article, but honestly... I think it's bullshit. I think trying to connect the two things (and I'm sure someone will try in an effort to refute my point) is specious and disrespectful to a real tragedy and to the very notion of escapist fare.
We're in a new victorian age. by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Feb 15th, 2008 04:56:08 AM
I blame Bush.
HOLY FUCK. I thought something was weird by Pipple	Feb 15th, 2008 04:56:59 AM
with his pants, but my lenses are foggy so I just shrugged it off. Good sluthing mo.
At least they didn't CGI clown pants on Winstone by IAmMrMonkey!	Feb 15th, 2008 04:57:11 AM
Because that would have been wierd. Sorry. I'm a bit drunk.
Hooray! Return of the threatening walkie-talkies! by half vader	Feb 15th, 2008 05:00:28 AM
Because hiding something/sweeping it under the rug equips kids to deal with those things - that aren't there! It's all the fault of computer games and comic books and movies and video nasties and...
the fucking GERMAN version has the guns by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Feb 15th, 2008 05:00:43 AM
The Germans are the guys who are supposed to be Nazis about censorship and everything. Afraid they'll spring back into being Nazi's at a moments notice I guess. This reminds me of old nintendo games. Bars becam cafes, coffee makes you dizzy and sleepy, crosses removed from churches and headstones, etc. Thinks for being my parents faceless corporation!
Thanks Mori by SuperSneaky	Feb 15th, 2008 05:01:28 AM
The last thing I did before i left work last night was e-mail you guys about this. The first thing I see when I get in this morning? This! That's some pretty sharp work there soldier. Just don't point that gun at me grins
Are they going to magic the guns out of every trailer? by IAmMrMonkey!	Feb 15th, 2008 05:03:58 AM
What about action movies? What will they do when they're advertising 3:10 To Yuma and movies like that? Perhaps the MPAA will force Hollywoood to stop making those movies all together? Coming 2009: Carebears The Movie Natural Born Pacifists Operah Winfrey Strikes Back (With Love) The Empty Hands Of Navarone The Last Non-Action Hero No War. Just Peace.
Oh and I support the Magic Pants on this one by Pipple	Feb 15th, 2008 05:04:53 AM
sorry
So this is what delayed the trailer for so long... by Mr. Moe	Feb 15th, 2008 05:05:32 AM
This is so depressing. The MPAA is seriously trying to invent ways to make itself seem useful. It's only going to get worse.
Wow and I thought us Brits were paranoid about this.... by Big_Bubbaloola	Feb 15th, 2008 05:07:27 AM
kinda thing! Talk about over reaction. This coming from the nation that still insists on bearing arms or arming bears (copyright Robin Williams). I know not all of our colonial cousins are like that but, then again, i've visited Louisiana!
Agree About Trailer with Drew by Spacesheik	Feb 15th, 2008 05:08:07 AM
The trailer had the elements necessary but they were integrated in a strange way. For a few nanoseconds there with the Indy flying on his whip, things looked great but then it went into camp CRUSADE territory, the trailer seemed to lack menace, the occult aspects seemed shrouded, there was a lack of grit, we wanted to see Indy riding a horse or playing the explorer, instead we got shots of him riding a truck with others, Cat Blanchett in a very CGI/80s sequence trying to run him off a cliff etc - I remember watching the TEMPLE OF DOOM trailer and it was all quick cuts and the foreboding John Williams Indy music, worked more effective than here, it built up to something, unlike this trailer. I have a theory concerning the Indy flicks, the more people/sidekicks he is surrounded with, the weaker the film and this looks like he has 3 or 4 running around with him - the best Indy flick will always be RAIDERS cause hes working alone, riding alone, fighting alone, etc -the tone of the trailer indicated a LAST CRUSADE tone, which is what I was afraid of. I wanted the original bloodied, gritty Indy of RAIDERS with more emphasis on the occult elements. I hope I am wrong in my assesment and the movie kicks ass but so far I havent seen anything that indicates we have another RAIDERS.
if Indy had the gun by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 05:11:34 AM
I'm sure it would still be in the shot. Just imagine what a trailer would be like for Shoot em Up now. You'd probably think it was a romantic comedy
Guy who got... by half vader	Feb 15th, 2008 05:18:54 AM
That was the worst pun ever... and then you pursued it!!!
More Yankee madness.... by TheBoyFromUlster	Feb 15th, 2008 05:20:18 AM
I agree Mori that you shouldn’t bring yesterday events into it but it is hard to not to shake your head as the 2 events are linked in some weird way, but I'll leave it to someone with more eloquence than myself to explain it. I just don't understand you Americans, it just seems that it is from one extreme to another with you. Your Government starts wars and you can own your own guns (If you see how we live now here in Northern Ireland compared to the hell we went through for 30 years you would get rid of all guns tomorrow) yet you are somehow, weirdly, trying to be protected from seeing a gun in an Indiana Jones Movie? I just don't know....
I'm not surprised by this... by cornponious	Feb 15th, 2008 05:20:26 AM
but I am surprised they didn't turn his whip into a spider web or something similar.
I'm not surprised by this... by cornponious	Feb 15th, 2008 05:20:27 AM
but I am surprised they didn't turn his whip into a spider web or something similar.
lol FUCKING MORONS TRYING TO CENSOR NOTHING by darrenspool	Feb 15th, 2008 05:22:56 AM
What are you Americans? Super-sensitive to your own infestation? Fuck off, twats. Just fuck off.
Link to the unfucked-with trailer? by half vader	Feb 15th, 2008 05:23:53 AM
Can't find the German one. Google gives me no love.
I blame the evil monkey in Chris Griffin's closet by IAmMrMonkey!	Feb 15th, 2008 05:24:50 AM
I truly believe that banana chomping bastard is behind most of the evil in this world. You Americans need to do something about him.
If he pulls out a knife, by half vader	Feb 15th, 2008 05:25:52 AM
You pull out a walkie-talkie. Eh Steve?
So is this just for the trailer? by the ageless stranger	Feb 15th, 2008 05:30:36 AM
Or for the actual film? Cos it's stupid enough just doing it for the trailer, but if they're doing it for the film, then I'm going to lose a whole lot of the enthusiasm I gained from watching the trailer yesterday. And trying to keep guns out of an Indiana Jones movie? Why don't they just show two hours of Indy teaching archaelogy lectures, it'd be a lot safer.
NOTE: MPAA pisses Americans off... by Mr. Moe	Feb 15th, 2008 05:31:33 AM
We can't control what they do. They're fucking morons that watch too much BBC News.
Sad. That's just pathetic and sad by EvilGeek1	Feb 15th, 2008 05:35:40 AM
to think somebody got paid to do that! In an action/adventure movie filled with guns, whips and explosions. The nanny age is still here my friends. Excuse me while I get desensitized and shoot up a school with some old pants!
Paramount Advertising Whores by SuperSneaky	Feb 15th, 2008 05:35:55 AM
Didn't someone find the MPAA document that confirmed the length of the trailer and that it had passed uncut? I'm sure it was linked in here recently. If true, does that mean Paramount were worried enough about the MPAA being fuckwits that they preemptively dropped the big bucks on that CG travesty to ensure a smooth run to a suitable for everyone trailer rating? Christ, and I remember when whole features like Gremlins and The Temple of Doom could scrape through with a PG. Although having said that, didn't The Berg put in a call to those nimrods just recently to make sure Transformers got a more family friendly rating? I guess he was just too busy this time, I mean, it's only Indiana Jones....
America is doomed. by chumpmonkey	Feb 15th, 2008 05:44:31 AM
This ridiculous horseshit is indicative of a greater issue: the politics of this country in the years since 9/11 have fucked things up so unimaginably badly that I'm seriously considering moving to a country that doesn't do things like eliminate the guns from a fucking MOVIE TRAILER in order to "protect the people from themselves", all while dismantling the freedoms of its citizens. Inch by inch, the real America has eroded away to the pathetic mess we're left with today, and it's getting progressively worse. You want to know where things are going? Look at Germany in the early '30s. That's the US right now. I'm getting the fuck outta Dodge.
Or even.... by SuperSneaky	Feb 15th, 2008 05:45:26 AM
This wasn't a trailer framing thing was it? I mean, as much as the confrontation gives the scene narrative (this has got to be the first pinch, no?), from a framing point of view, as a truncated 3 second clip from presumably a much longer shot, not having the guns gives you a far easier frame to digest, no?
Damn You Reality TV by DamnMichaelBay	Feb 15th, 2008 05:45:56 AM
Hah, compromise of artisitic integrity so that a six year old won't see a gun is soooo 2010's...
If there was ever a reason to leave the country this is it by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Feb 15th, 2008 05:48:42 AM
I don't know if it's tragic or what that I'm only being half sarcastic
Original was PG and they had bloody headshots.. by sonnyfern	Feb 15th, 2008 05:53:23 AM
Wow. I actually didn't notice any CG in the trailer, was too busy getting excited. But I mean, the MPAA is fucking ridiculous. We all know this. They're ass backwards. There are GUNS all over TV and Newsshows, there are guns in most cartoons, but Raiders had insane violence and that was PG was why the sudden change? Are kids today more delicate or something? I fucking doubt it...if anything they're more hardcore..ever play a video game before? It's insane, stupid and they should leave Indiana Jones alone. But this is really interesting stuff...
It's not that kids are more sensitive, by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 05:57:32 AM
It's that the MPAA have aged themselves, and grown more sensitive. I saw "This Film is not yet rated" the other day, and I'll take a fucking huge bet that the vast majority of oxygen thieves that shouldn't be passing judgement that posed as censors in that film are still in place.
It sucks, but... by Cartman86	Feb 15th, 2008 06:04:10 AM
our films themselves don't get censored as much as some other countries. MPAA is weird though. With all the shit talked about the ESRB these days I am consistantly amazed at the job they do. So much better than the MPAA and other ratings boards around the world.
America has to CGI over guns in movies, yet anyone can buy a gun by Primus	Feb 15th, 2008 06:05:31 AM
Where's the sense in that?
PS I still love the trailer... by sonnyfern	Feb 15th, 2008 06:08:08 AM
despite this calamity I still think it's an incredibly nifty little teaser. I wasn't excited about the flick at all, but I am now, so it did a good job. And I know we like to argue about the merits of the Indy movies, but lets face it, even the worst Indy movie is better than 90% of the shit that comes out...
now we know by TheManBehindTheMask	Feb 15th, 2008 06:12:38 AM
why it took so long to see this teaser...
So much talk about the guns by Flipao	Feb 15th, 2008 06:15:04 AM
What about the fucking flag? Jesus H Christ, how much more propaganda can they throw at us?
INDIANA JONES AND THE CGI PANTS by newc0253	Feb 15th, 2008 06:24:14 AM
I thought first 15 seconds or so of the trailer were silly - esp that flag waving. Also why use the music from Children of Dune for the intro? Why not 'Well of the Souls'??? But once the Raiders march begins and the actual footage starts, i think the trailer works well from that point: at least it hits all the marks in a workmanlike way. It isn't a classic trailer, to be sure, but I've seen too many great trailers for films that fell short so I'm happy enough with what's been shown, i.e. it feels of a piece with the trilogy.
I thought that flag looked strange. by beastie	Feb 15th, 2008 06:25:49 AM
Hollywood is just pandering to the patriots. It's so obnoxious to be watching something and then there's this obvious pose of a main character in front of an American flag; Spiderman 3. Anyway Primus made a really good point.
oh, and removing the guns by TheManBehindTheMask	Feb 15th, 2008 06:27:59 AM
also removes a lot of relevance to Indy's replica.
unbelievable by smorgasbord	Feb 15th, 2008 06:30:51 AM
so they don't want the guns to be seen in the trailer, but it's OK to see them in the film? Surely that's worse? If you kept the guns in, then at least the weirdos who would boycott a film with guns in would be able to make a choice. Doing this just tricks them Seriously fucked up.
Also by smorgasbord	Feb 15th, 2008 06:32:31 AM
considering this is from a country that allows children to watch all sorts of messed up shit in a cinema as long as they are with a "responsible" adult, then it's really fucking hypocritical as well.
Spot on Mori by barnaby jones	Feb 15th, 2008 06:39:04 AM
Its all just so backwards.
newc0253 by TheBoyFromUlster	Feb 15th, 2008 06:40:30 AM
Completely agree, dunno what was up with the flag...Michael Bay eat your heart out!!...And why not the Well of the Souls music? That really would of got the juices flowing!....Johnny Williams can be be mentioned in the same breath as Beethoven or Mozart in my opinion. A Genius.
Creepy and LostJarv by half vader	Feb 15th, 2008 06:41:00 AM
Hey Creepy, beat ya to the punch (E.T. shenanigans). Twice. Guess you were drafting your manifesto. ;) Jarv beat you on This Film. Temple of Doom was PG not PG13 but yes it's generally accepted that both it and Gremlins brought about the PG13 rating. Cheers mate. Jarv, I reckon the makers of "this film" should probably do a "7-up" and revisit it every few years to update the indefensible shenanigans.
oh, and it won't be another RAIDERS by newc0253	Feb 15th, 2008 06:41:32 AM
sorry to say, i'd love it if this film were another RAIDERS but it won't be. Not even TEMPLE OF DOOM (my 2nd favourite Indiana Jones film) is another RAIDERS. The best we can realistically hope for is that it isn't as light and as jokey as LAST CRUSADE.
After commenting on mpaa censorship.... by Cagliostro	Feb 15th, 2008 06:43:01 AM
Mori's gonna edit that "Can a nigga get a table dance" line? What am I? four years old? Man tha fuck up, nigga, smoke that shit.
Half Vader by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 06:43:56 AM
That's a good idea, he should do. Creepy is right though, there is a good film to be made about it, but This Film is not it. He had too much of a boner (pun intended) for sex being over-censored, and the second half of it was some weird stalking exercise.
The Creepy Thin Man by just pillow talk	Feb 15th, 2008 06:46:22 AM
I liked your rant. Thanks for the info. Fucking bastards, how fucking ridiculous.
The Creepy Thin Man by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Feb 15th, 2008 06:47:56 AM
Thanks for the history lesson thin man. And no I'm not being a sarcastic jackass, I mean it, I am now a more learned man on the subject of cinemas. I love hearing these bullshit stories about how corporations and capitalism have proven to be the death of the spirit of america. You should write that book. The town I live in, I was only able to see No Country For Old Men finally last fucking month. They only throw good movies like that on for a quick weekend months after they've been everywhere else. It's bullshit.
The composition of the appeals board on the MPAA by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 06:49:40 AM
is fucking outrageous- it's just corporate censorship acting as a moral guardian. It's ludicrous.
International Trailer = Lot Better by Kragmose	Feb 15th, 2008 06:51:32 AM
Hah.
So right about the lack of trailer magic by AllieJamison	Feb 15th, 2008 06:54:41 AM
I absolutely agree with Mori (who can't on this issue), that thing is indeed a mess. Which is why you need to watch it at least 50 times in frame by frame mode to really appreciate the footage and get excited. (At least I did.) And concerning the magical pants, well, I guess every nations has its demons. They german trailer may have guns (I'm not entirely sure about that yet, though) and more stable pants but it completely lacks Harrison Ford's voice. Anyway, good to see this article.
This coming from Spielberg who CGI'd by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Feb 15th, 2008 06:55:01 AM
walkie talkies into the govt. agent hands in E.T. because he thought today's generation would be too pussified to handle the pistols. He also removed the "terrorist" line in the Halloween scene. That surprised me more so at the time considering Spielberg's jewish. You think he would want to leave the terrorist line in. Next update he'll put pants on E.T. so we don't see his little alien wang.
Haha US censorship makes me laugh (and then feel bad) by Aethyrr	Feb 15th, 2008 06:56:10 AM
Really people, how can you stand them?!
"so we don't see his little alien wang. " by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 06:57:49 AM
That would be a good thing, surely? Unless you really want to see some midget alien cock.
Why do politicans cave so easily anyway by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Feb 15th, 2008 07:00:31 AM
Throw them a little money and they bend over for you it seems. If I was some lawmaker and I was passing some law to make it so movie studios couldn't own movie theatres, and some movie studios gave me a bunch of money to change my mind, I'd take their money and fax them a giant picture of a middle finger, then spend that money to build my own theatre.
Why are people so sure the MPAA is to blame? by Chewtoy	Feb 15th, 2008 07:09:36 AM
This is the first glimpse of an iconic hero in a long time, and the American Military is clearly set in the villain roles in this trailer. I.E. taking the place of the traditional Nazis. Look how they chopped up the scene with the US military beating up Indy... We see the end of it first, with Indy picking up his hat, which comes across as patriotic with the waving flag introduction and then the shadow on the US Army truck. We then, (in America,) get a scene of Indy surrounded by the soldiers, but in a less-threatening way. The only actual aggression shown by US forces in the trailer is a super-quick cut, much later so that it doesn't immediately register as part of the same scene, of the backslap that knocked Indy's hat off to begin with. (Are the guns digitally lowered in this scene as well?) The whole thing has obviously been edited to confuse the idea that the US Military is being portrayed as the villains. (Which may be true of the actual movie, but it's not what that scene, shown in the correct sequence and unaltered, would suggest.) I'd say the odds are good that Speilberg or Paramount wanted the changes to keep from sparking a big Conservative backlash against the movie before it came out.
100% Agreed by ScottinDC	Feb 15th, 2008 07:12:54 AM
This trailer did nothing for me either...I'm hopeful the movie will be better than my expectations - but this trailer doesn't represent or embrace the tone of the Indiana Jones I know.
...and it's a realy poor, quickly done CG job by TheManBehindTheMask	Feb 15th, 2008 07:19:31 AM
when you watch it in HD...wow, man, the guy in the back has his gun "copy/past" with half of his body deconnected from his legs... No way this could last in the theatrical cut. Love the international cut.
For Those Wanting to Leave America . . . by kevinwillis.net	Feb 15th, 2008 07:26:29 AM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. See ya! That having been said, you'd think the original shot was full of gigantic penises. A gun barrel? Oh, my gosh! A gun barrel! I feel driven to crime. Than God the MPAA protected me from a gun barrel in the trailer! Mysterious. Terribly mysterious. And, they can cut guns in half with their minds.
Brit censorship by zacdilone	Feb 15th, 2008 07:28:46 AM
US isn't the only one--remember the Obi-Wan head butt in "Attack of the Clones?"
actually in the UK by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 07:31:20 AM
a headbutt in a film used to guarantee an 18 rating. But we wouldn't edit out guns from a trailer. That's just silly. At least I hope not.
ManBehindTheMask is Right by kevinwillis.net	Feb 15th, 2008 07:31:52 AM
A mega-dodgy After Effects patch job. That's trailer only. Some cubicle jockey chained to his desk and paid with Jolt cola was given 24 hours to get it done. "You work at ILM, you worth piece of shit. This is your chance to prove yourself a man! Booyah!" Guaranteed. "And if you dont' get it done . . . it's the hotbox for you."
Worthless Piece of Shit, I Meant to Say by kevinwillis.net	Feb 15th, 2008 07:33:11 AM
I'm familiar with corporate motivation techniques, I shouldn't have gotten that wrong.
Can't put the toothpaste back in the bottle by Dashing Roger	Feb 15th, 2008 07:34:23 AM
Movies and their trailers used to be raw and gritty and now, in this PC-run-amok, puritanical, regressive society, everything must be cleansed lest we be damaged by it (or sued over it). Because that will make everything okay. Right? WRONG. TOO LATE. Gun violence in movies does not cause gun violence. Let's not hide it, let's not make ourselves afraid of it by obscuring the truth, like the Bush administration has done with every social and geopolitical issue our country has faced in the last 8 years. Education and confronting the TRUTH solves problems. Lucasfilm is a pussy sell-out (we already knew that) for allowing the armies of PC and social regression to dictate how he presents his "art." GL calls himself a filmmaker of the '70s?!? What a fucking joke...
I think the conclusion... by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 07:39:45 AM
...that can be drawn from this is that if they had included the guns, this would have been a red band trailer. How fucking pathetic and loathesome is that?
darrenspool by Sailor Rip	Feb 15th, 2008 07:48:15 AM
Fuck off. Yeah, the mpaa polled every American and asked us if we wanted the trailer censored and we agreed.
THIS IS NOT AMERICA. by pubcrawler13	Feb 15th, 2008 07:52:44 AM
OK, listen. For all of those talking about how this trailer manipulation represents the strangeness and/or hypocrisy of American culture, just stop. This decision boils down to ONE small group of people, the MPAA, for whom 99% of the American population has an intense hatred anyway. This is a group of crusty old men clinging to outmoded ideals and false piety. Yes it is strange and annoying but this doesn't represent American attitudes or beliefs. Please understand this.
The Same Spielberg that replaced Guns with by Samuel Fulmer	Feb 15th, 2008 07:52:49 AM
Walkie Talkies for the E.T. Special Edition? Now we get guns replaced with magic pants and pockets!
And furthermore... by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 07:53:11 AM
..as far as I'm concerned, Darth Vader ALWAYS HAD JAZZ HANDS!!!
I didn't think the MPAA was even relevant by Samuel Fulmer	Feb 15th, 2008 07:55:41 AM
After the advent of Cable/DVD and that This Film has Not Yet Been Rated documentary from a few years ago. MPAA members are usually either studio shills, or borderline retards. I'm shocked that we saw a whip in the trailer. After all, it could be construed as condoning S&M behavior!
Very Weird by FILMFUNK	Feb 15th, 2008 07:55:51 AM
Didn't really notice it but I watched JUMPER yesterday in the company of a lot of kids of all ages and they were all treated to a scene where Samuel L Jackson takes a big serated Rambo knife and slowly guts a helpless young guy hanging in a tree in broad daylight! Something you would only see in a Predator movie being shown to kids as young as three and four years old because 12A means that i'm able to take my newborn in!? now that makes no sense to me???
It's ET All Over Again... Walkie-Talkies by BojTrek	Feb 15th, 2008 07:56:11 AM
They should have just CGI'd walkie-talkies in place of the guns...
The Flag footage in the trailer by Samuel Fulmer	Feb 15th, 2008 07:58:04 AM
Was acidentally put in by Paramount. It's actually a shot from Michael Bay's next movie, Pearl Harbor II: Pearl Harder.
Only gripe with the trailer was the Media Ventures intro music by KillaKane	Feb 15th, 2008 08:01:27 AM
Should have been temped completely with William's scores, that does jarr somewhat contextually (cheesifies it with such primitive generic Hollywood music). Would have liked a bit more dialogue too, but I guess it was skewed towards action and sourced from what they had that could be pushed through post for the 1st teaser. Certainly think it retains it's Indy-ness, it's iconic and alludes to the first film particularly. Moriarty you're way too analytical, but then that's a geeks perogative to fixate on such minutae. Any way you slice it, this episode looks like it's well on track.
Hey all... by thecheesegrommit	Feb 15th, 2008 08:02:17 AM
I have nothing to say regarding the bullshit that is the mpaa (broken beyond repair) seems to sum it up nicely. What I wish to comment on is the sadness that is the dissecting of every single frame of as trailer using tech that didn't exist not to long ago. It sucks the fun out of what I found to be a magical trip back to my younger years via this trailer. Moriarty, from the get go it recalls the iconography from the past. The reintroduction of Indy being thrown to the ground is great because you can tell from the way he falls is Harrison's Indy inflections (i know that sounds weird but it's true) The subtle limp as he goes for his hat, now that's how I dissect a trailer, positively! I also love how they address Indy's age early on (Damn, I thought that was closer). This was an excellent trailor, not perfect but excellent! the end is some what choppy and it's a little too CGIee. Does any one else think the scene it the beginning in the warehouse is the films opening adventure?
I'm actually optimistic about the film by Samuel Fulmer	Feb 15th, 2008 08:05:59 AM
I thought the trailer was fine. At least it looks like Indy's going to be doing some different stuff in this film. If I wanted a rehash, I'd pop in Last Crusade. It didn't blow me away, but that's okay. I was blown away with the trailer to Phantom Menace, and look how that one turned out.
I Blame George Lucas by DarfurOnTheRocks	Feb 15th, 2008 08:07:49 AM
I don't know why but I just do.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEY'LL BE REPLACING COKE WITH PEPSI CANS by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:08:15 AM
because Coke stopped paying placement fees. Nothing is real anymore. Reality is dead. Long live the new flesh.
Mitt Romney has magic underwear by Luscious.868	Feb 15th, 2008 08:09:52 AM
Mormon's rule!
"The subtle limp as he goes for his hat" by Samuel Fulmer	Feb 15th, 2008 08:12:37 AM
Let the old guy Viagra jokes begin......now.
WHY IS EVERYONE BLAMING AMERICA FOR WHAT THE MPAA DID? by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:14:41 AM
You people deserve to be invaded.
I THINK INDY'S PANT SHADOWS WERE CGI'D TOO by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:15:48 AM
when he goes for that hat. Something wrong with that shadow.
IS RAY WINSTONE THE GUY IN THE DEPARTED? by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:18:11 AM
"Give him a ... cwanbehwy juice."
My God, SOUTH PARK called it... by SpyGuy	Feb 15th, 2008 08:18:41 AM
Spielberg is digitally editing out guns and inserting an American flah into the CRYSTAL SKULL trailer? That means (shudder) the long-dreaded RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK: THE "SPECIAL" EDITION is on the way...
"an Amercian flah"? by SpyGuy	Feb 15th, 2008 08:19:42 AM
Obviously I can't type for shit today. Sorry.
Watergate by Samuel Fulmer	Feb 15th, 2008 08:22:29 AM
Iran-Contragate, Monicagate, and now pantsgate! Shame on you Mr. Spielberg, shame on you!
Don't apologise SpyGuy by Samuel Fulmer	Feb 15th, 2008 08:23:30 AM
I'm a big fan of Flah's of Our Fathers.
FREE HAT! by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 08:23:58 AM

that made the USA the shining beacon of Western Civilization by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 08:24:01 AM
erm, when was this? I think I missed the memo
THE FRENCH ARE THE OPPOSITE OF AMERICA by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:24:08 AM
In Irreversible, they CGI'd a penis INTO the rape scene. FREEDOM FRIES!!!!!!
THE MEMOS ARE FOR AMERICANS ONLY LOST JARV by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:27:09 AM
Even the crackheads get a copy.
PEOPLE DON'T GET ALL UP IN ARMS ABOUT THIS CGI by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:30:31 AM
It's a teaser that young kids can get access to watch. They're only trying, in some small way, to protect children in an age where a 9 year old can watch bukakke by just typing the word. So chill. There will be guns in the movie. Lots of bang bang, to be sure. Relax.
It was a joke by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 08:31:14 AM

I AGREE WITH YOU CREEPY THIN MAN by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:34:33 AM
We have sad excuses for leaders in this country. I think Bush is exponentially worse than Clinton by a long shot, but still, they're neither the best leaders suited for our nation if you step back and think about it. What I wouldn't give to have a Prez who is beyond reproach and considers himself a servant to the people instead of a king. And one who leads by moral example instead of hypocrisy and religious platitudes. Vote OBAMA!
ACTUALLY THERE'S SOME TRUTH TO THAT BEACON THING JARV by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 08:37:15 AM
And it has to do with two things: Hollywood and Madison Avenue. Both are the driving forces in proliferating Western culture to the world.
A soldier walks by out of thin air at 59 sec mark by Mace Tofu	Feb 15th, 2008 08:43:59 AM
Left side of screen he is invisible walking into frame then pops into shot from behind Magic pants at 59 sec mark. It's a COVER-UP!
RE: US = 21st Cen USSR by ICantBelieveIRegistered	Feb 15th, 2008 08:49:12 AM
"God, I really hate this fucking place sometimes. Censorship, torture, corrupt government...we're like the 21st Century USSR." If you really believe that then you know nothing about the former USSR. Your ability to make that statement proves the US isn't. You can walk down any street in the US and say that and no government agents will stops you. The people on the street may pointn and laugh, but that's their freedom of speech at work too. ;) And yes, this whole thing of the missing guns disturbs me.
Um, this couldn't be a studio decision? by Mister Man	Feb 15th, 2008 08:49:13 AM

The Shining trailer by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 08:49:54 AM
did you guys ever hear about the story when Kubrick made the trailer for the Shining? He was told that he wasn't allowed to have blood coming out of the elevator in the trailer, but he told them, i think it was just rust-colored water, and they allowed it to stay in
SEE, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING by BurgerTime	Feb 15th, 2008 08:50:10 AM

Wasn't it SS who, himself, removed guns from ET? by Mister Man	Feb 15th, 2008 08:51:25 AM
He's lambasting China about the Darfur, so maybe he doesn't want to sell Indy with gun "shots"??
THAT CGI WILL REALLY BE USED FOR... by BurgerTime	Feb 15th, 2008 08:51:41 AM
...an invisible kind of censorship that we'll never even know about until someone spills the beans much much later. A very slippery slope indeed.
erm, Node? by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 08:52:31 AM
read the TB. This has been covered. It wasn't that insightful- he got overly hung up on the sex, especially homosexual sex, and then the second half of it was pretty much an exercise in stalking.
Also at 1:11 a grip can be seen waving a light by Mace Tofu	Feb 15th, 2008 08:52:56 AM
reflected in the broken windshield glass on the right side of the shot... : )
INDIANA JONES AND THE ANGRY MISPLACED RHETORIC by newc0253	Feb 15th, 2008 08:54:24 AM
this is about MPAA hysteria about guns, not about the relative merits of US vs Soviet Hegemony. get with the frakking programme already.
Strangely, I like the crappy quality UK trailer better by rev_skarekroe	Feb 15th, 2008 08:57:29 AM
It's not just the guns. It's the fact that it doesn't look overpolished like the US Quicktime version. Also, those temp SFX blow.
I completely agree with Spacesheik by Darkocity	Feb 15th, 2008 09:03:33 AM
I wish they went with Frank Darabonts script. And thats all i have to say about that.
Just curious, is my post visible? by Mister Man	Feb 15th, 2008 09:03:53 AM
A friend can't see my comments - weird.
Another oddity from trailer... by jones1899	Feb 15th, 2008 09:11:34 AM
Harrison Ford's lips don't move right when he says "Not as easy as it used to be." As for the guns, this trailer was attached to Spiderwick, a kids moves, they wanted to avoid possible bullshit so just nipped it in the bud. No big deal really. BTW, I think the trailer was pretty damn great. I can't describe how freakin excited I was when I saw that first shot of Indy picking up his hat. Then the whip swing on the run!! Awesome. The "Damn, I thought that was closer", well...not my favorite part. Think it should have been simply "thought that was closer" or even just a crooked clumsy smile to the baddies, but what ever. Raiders (my favorite movie of all time) had some cheesy spots too. These movies are supposed to be fun, with enough character and seriousness to care about it all. I'm pumped and hopefully the full trailer will be attached to something other than a kids movie.
you fucking people by t40stunt	Feb 15th, 2008 09:11:58 AM
need to get a life . its a trailer for a movie . oh shit man ...censorship at its worst . why don't you try doing something meaningful with your lives instead of picking apart the little shit with your finger on the pause button . its really fucking lame . at 1:49 in the trailer Indy flips you all the fuck off . catch that shit ?
Find it funny... by jones1899	Feb 15th, 2008 09:12:27 AM
That nobody has really said much about Ford's age. Why? Cause he looks great!
Other things I've noticed... by jones1899	Feb 15th, 2008 09:17:33 AM
Indy actually only uses his whips once. (I thought upon first viewing that it was more. Also when he is dodging bullets through the crates, he is coiling his whip back up. (didn't notice this first time) The soldier in the beginning has his whip around his shoulder. ok I noticed this the first time, but its cool.
t40stunt by Rando Calrisian	Feb 15th, 2008 09:18:41 AM
That's some funny shit, man. Looks like Indiana Jones to me! Can't wait.
IT'S OKAY TO SHOOT FELLOW STUDENTS by Ray Gamma	Feb 15th, 2008 09:19:58 AM
...with a gun you legitimately bought within you rights, but you're not allowed to watch a comic-book movie hero using a gun. America is the stupidest country on Earth.
At least it's a 48-star flag... by 433	Feb 15th, 2008 09:24:19 AM
...stupid Alaska and Hawaii...
The penis doesn't exist in American cinema by gruntybear	Feb 15th, 2008 09:30:54 AM
Or hadn't you noticed? Guns pretty much = penis. Therefore, no guns. It's not really that much of surprise. Welcome to the America you voted for - all safe for 5-year olds, all the time.
What about the soldiers who get blown up? by Mosquito March	Feb 15th, 2008 09:31:01 AM
We watch a couple of guys fucking get killed in the middle of the trailer when the explosion goes off. If you freeze it, you can actually see the guy in the right disintegrate. How can THAT make it into the trailer, but not a few submachine guns that aren't even being discharged?
It is not OK to shoot students by Mace Tofu	Feb 15th, 2008 09:32:11 AM
Only dumbass fucktards do shit like that. When I was younger kids would walk around with real guns ( mostly 22s ) and we never shot at people because we knew our Fathers would kick our asses. Many countries use very small children in their armys against their will. you can't compare an ass who can't handle his "feelings" so he shoots up his school with the millions of Americans who know how to control their gun use.
Rando by t40stunt	Feb 15th, 2008 09:33:25 AM
just trying to lighten shit up man . i agree looks like Indy to me and its going to fucking rock with or without guns pointed . and bring on the american flag version .
WTF by JLo III	Feb 15th, 2008 09:36:42 AM
Isn't this a South Park episode. I really think it was. Something like Lucas and Speilberg are using CGI to take all the guns out of Raiders and the kids have to watch it.
Moriarty going all SHERLOCK HOLMES on this place!! by SkidMarkedUndies	Feb 15th, 2008 09:38:01 AM
Awesome work.
I've seen the PENIS in an American movie by Mace Tofu	Feb 15th, 2008 09:38:51 AM
It was called TERMINATOR 2 Robert showed off his T-1000 penis in it. Gere showed his off in AMERICAN GIGOLO too. You need to watch more American movies... did you see the BROWN BUNNY?
Strange... by moviemaniac-7	Feb 15th, 2008 09:43:09 AM
The flag in the Us version. The absence of guns. Just saw them back to back. It is strange. I thought the flag to be annoying (until now I only saw the Yahoo US version), but it must have been a leftover from the opening and closing shots for Saving Private Ryan.
Boogie nights, Wild Things by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 09:43:59 AM
I think the point is that none of these made it into the preview.
no more Brown Bunny talk! Please! by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 09:48:09 AM
what a piece of shit movie
Wow, penis in 5 whole movies spanning 28 yrs by gruntybear	Feb 15th, 2008 09:49:26 AM
Yeah, it's a veritable sausage-fest out there in the cineplex. Whereas tits are in every second scene, the cock gets shown - what? for a nanosecond once a season. Heaven forbid it be engorged, because some poor innocent's head might explode at just the sight of something so FUCKING NORMAL. Just more testament to the ongoing puritanism urged by the religious right to scrub our media clean of sexuality.
This is GOOD news! by Billy Batts	Feb 15th, 2008 09:50:50 AM
When I saw the footage I thought it was Spielberg pulling a Lucas and combining takes with CG because he didn't bother to get it right on set. The fact that they were erasing guns just for the trailer calms me down a LOT.
Well, here's another reason to vote Obama instead of Billary... by SpyGuy	Feb 15th, 2008 09:53:41 AM
Anyone who sponsors the V-Chip has to be down with the MPAA's shenanigans. Think of the children who might be exposed to such questionable material!
the penis isn't very cinematic by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 09:55:02 AM
but if I ever make a film gruntybear, I promise I will have a scene where the protagonist talks a walk through 'dick forest'. Also, we never get enough female rectum shots. mostly ass, never the hole. We need to put an end to this butthole paranoia. Ladies be proud of your hole, let it stand free!
Gruntybear... by Abin Sur	Feb 15th, 2008 09:56:47 AM
So the religious right still likes tits and ass? Dude, that may be hypocritical, but it sure as heck ain't puritanical. And let me also vote for even LESS dick in the movies.
takes a walk not talks a walk by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 09:56:59 AM

Look folks..it isn't just religious nuts with an agenda,.. by conspiracy	Feb 15th, 2008 09:58:08 AM
or the MPAA caving in to them. Blame the government, all of them. The Feds would LOVE to get some kind of hard legislative control over film...and it isn't just the wacko Christian right either pushing for this either...there are plenty of nuts on both sides. ALL government is inherently evil...the very nature of it demands control over not only actions but thought as well in order to bring about the conditions in which a particular ideology can be promoted. It is why both Hitler and Stalin were very interested in, and used to great effect their respective entertainment industries, it is why FDR made sure Hollywood was knee deep in WW2, why Kennedy courted celebrities, and why the "flag" is in everything you see today... It has nothing to do with Penis, tits, or vagina...and everything to do with social engineering by the very monsters you seek to put in power, both left and right. You wanted a big powerful government to cure your ills and feed you babies? ..well you got it..and in return your gonna give up your freedoms a little bit at a time to further that agenda. So sit down, shut up, and watch what they deem appropriate. Today it's No guns pointed at Indy and the ever present "flag", tomorrow you'll all be watching a government approved version of the Teletubbies.
Conspiracy, we can't watch the Teletubbies... by Abin Sur	Feb 15th, 2008 09:59:48 AM
The purple one is gay, remember? No way that makes it past the guv'mint.
the female anatomy is more photogenic by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 09:59:57 AM
it's a beautiful thing. The soft curve of the breast, the ridgid defiance of the nipple, the cusp of a nubile labia. Take for example, Kathy Bates in About Shmidt, cinematic gold. Whereas a man has a floppy Willy Loman, just waiting to run into a coffee table.
Oh...BTW...Government or no government... by conspiracy	Feb 15th, 2008 10:02:13 AM
I have no desire to see any more Penis in film....a highly overrated plot device the Penis. Now, Tits and Vagina; absolutely needed for any top quality production.
I was wondering whay Indy remained worried in that shot... by -=Shin=-	Feb 15th, 2008 10:02:18 AM
It certainly takes down the percieved threat level. Indy's not supposed to be worried about some guys standing around...
there is nothing Aesthetically pleasing about THE BATES by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 10:03:47 AM
there's lots frightening, but nothing pleasing.
But it's good that they didn't replace them with walky talkies by ELGordo	Feb 15th, 2008 10:04:01 AM
As Spielberg did all on his own on E.T.
that's where the grease comes in Jarv by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 10:04:34 AM
it's like a siren
pheromenes that are known to attract by Lost Jarv	Feb 15th, 2008 10:07:10 AM
chubby chasers and, weirdly, ants.
Wow...that's just insane by kwisatzhaderach	Feb 15th, 2008 10:10:04 AM
I'm speechless. Looking forward to the real story behind this.
Arrogance by Dr.Poots	Feb 15th, 2008 10:10:41 AM
You know, I'm getting just a bit tired of all the "I just don't get you Americans" bullshit I getting from some of the talkbackers here. You are posting to a site run by Americans who are outraged at the change. Americans didn't do this - a small and timid group of people (possibly the MPAA, I'm not certain) did this. Most Americans couldn't care less that guns were being pointed at the main character. Before you go on about how odd Americans are, I would challenge you to find an unflinchingly shining element of your country's history or culture that makes you any better. HINT: If your country lies anywhere withing the confines of Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, or South America, you already lose.
you know what's funny about geeks? by cloudrider`	Feb 15th, 2008 10:25:01 AM
you overreact to every tiny little thing. so, the guns are taken off, so what? it's a very very short teaser. doubtful the cgi in the final movie will look that amateurish. so the power-that-be decide to be sensitive to the victims of the shooting, and you guys cry and moan about the mpaa. sometimes, you know, just sometimes, i can understand why people hate americans. you are waaaaaayy waaaaaaaaayyyy too pampered.
Dr.Poots.. by PezQ	Feb 15th, 2008 10:29:29 AM
..Nice job, sport! You named all the continents! You must one of them smart Americans i hear so little about. OR you just know how to use Google...Just kidding :D runs away
I would rather see American dick than British teeth... by Abin Sur	Feb 15th, 2008 10:31:10 AM
...and I'm straight as an arrow. You English should really do something about that.
it's written by david koepp by cloudrider`	Feb 15th, 2008 10:31:37 AM
if you want to be angry, be angry about that. you guys rag on hack directors all the time, you must miss the hack writers. frankly i fail to see what spielberg see in the guy, ke kept using him to write his films. the guy wrote one mediocre screenplay after another and he kept getting hired by spielberg. and THAT, more than anything make me worry about the film.
The reason for the flag - a speculation by ArcadianDS	Feb 15th, 2008 10:47:14 AM
is that it establishes that the convoy you're about to see on a dirt road is American, and is driving somewhere in America. Without the flag, its just a line of trucks on a dirt road - who are they ,where are they. its a retarded non-issue to whine "ZOMG THEY CGIED A US FLAG IN FOR NOE REASONZ!" Maybe you guys should telephone Harlan Ellison and get him to rant all over this non-controversy.
let's all rally and burn the MPAA down by cloudrider`	Feb 15th, 2008 10:49:15 AM
riiiight... or maybe mory should pick a more worthwhile cause to fight for. frankly, this is too stupid to rag about.
FUCK MPAA AND THE TRAILER IS FUCKING AWESOME by Proman1984	Feb 15th, 2008 10:51:34 AM
FUCKING GRAND LIKE IT SHOULD BE!
let's all rally and burn the MPAA down!!! by cloudrider`	Feb 15th, 2008 10:51:40 AM
riiiight... or maybe mory should pick a more worthwhile cause to fight for. frankly, this is too stupid to rag about.
Unbelievable by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 10:59:07 AM
Once again the rest of the world gets a better trailer version for a movie that was produced… HERE. Of course they took the soldiers out, we can’t look like bad guys to ourselves anymore, that would be terrible. What a fucking joke. Guys, boycott the shit out of this movie till they get it right and stop treating us like idiot morloc slaves.
This makes me fucking sick. by scudd	Feb 15th, 2008 11:09:35 AM
I would like to apologize to the rest of the world on behalf of the last few free thinking Americans left. This type of bullshit does not represent all of us.
Big deal out of nothing- lets talk trailer!!! by hegele	Feb 15th, 2008 11:14:31 AM
Alright, i understand why it is a pressing issue. But let me ask you this- did anyone really notice the first time they watched the trailer? Then it doesn't matter. The trailer itself was great. His introduction, the action, Cate, Ray, and our man Ford look wonderful
PRIVATES IN AMERICAN CINEMA.......... by AARONIUS	Feb 15th, 2008 11:17:44 AM
For all you freaks out there who just have to see Mr. Johnson getting some quality screen time go watch SIDEWAYS. Good grief what's going on when we're more gay than the French? (I'm just being facetious of course).
Now I'm glad I haven't watched it yet. by TheContinentalOp	Feb 15th, 2008 11:19:35 AM
I was waiting to see it in the theater the way God intended, not on a fuzzy little computer screen. Not that I particularly care what the MPAA does to the trailer, as long as they leave the goddamn movie alone.
the cast in that shot were given "conceal & carry" permits... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 15th, 2008 11:24:03 AM
... how very american - wow this is pathetic - maybe paramount, under pressure, will remove all guns from all of their movies - maybe they can retro fit the entire Indy series - what a bunch of pussies - were the shooters in the last 2 weeks events Indy fans? - did they claim this in their manifestos? - there were 3 or 4 events in the last 2 weeks involving shootings, including the most recent at that college - and they wont be the last ones - i guess hollywood should just just shut down in the event that more shootings will occur - hegele, i didnt notice until now - my eyesight aint that good anyway and i still liked the trailer - but knowing what i now know, it bugs the shit outta me - seeing a few machine guns in a movie trailer isnt going to set off any shooting spree
Director's Cut: Indy v. Swordsman by DonnyUnitas	Feb 15th, 2008 11:27:11 AM
guy swings sword....Indy waves....guy falls down
Missing on aicn: perspective by systemsbroom	Feb 15th, 2008 11:30:39 AM
There appears to be CG manipulation of a few seconds of a trailer to remove guns potentially for a purpose (so muses Moriarty) involving the MPAA, and half of you people are freaking out about the impending (or already realized) downfall of US/Western culture. This has nothing to do with censorship, or the lack of "free-thinking Americans." This is a nearly invisible change to an advertisement for what is, at end, a piece of fluff entertainment (although perhaps one that many hold dear). There are real problems and real controversies out there whose implications actually affect peoples' lives. Turn your ire and energies towards them. Although the eagle eyes and sleuthing demonstrated here are worthy of praise, focusing any more than interested curiosity on this is asinine.
Settle down, Node... by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 11:31:39 AM
...what's your problem, anyway?
Mace Tofu - that "magic soldier" IS weird by finky089	Feb 15th, 2008 11:33:39 AM
but, I guess i nlight of all the CGI shenanigans, we shouldn't be surprised. Still, kudos on catchign that.
International Trailer - anybody got a different link??? by finky089	Feb 15th, 2008 11:35:47 AM
I can't access the site Mori linked to here at the office. Danke to anyone who can help!
the cheese grommit by monorail77	Feb 15th, 2008 11:37:40 AM
Well said.
Nosferatu Jones, excellent points... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 15th, 2008 11:38:32 AM
i hope youre right - i will admit, the guns do draw a lot of attention in the unaltered version of the shot - this fact supports your point - but it can also support Moriarty's suspicions - the guns almost takeover the shot and are all pointed at our hero - i can see someone in power getting cold feet over such a shot in light of recent events - sometimes pointing a bunch of guns at some unarmed fellas is more menacing than seeing a bunch of guns fired in the course of some mayhem
Nosferatu Jones... by Brians Life	Feb 15th, 2008 11:39:39 AM
What are you basing your astute assessment on? Your gut?
let's all take a quick breather by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 11:45:24 AM
and chill out
systemsbroom, the point is.... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 15th, 2008 11:48:05 AM
no amount of censorship wil make the worlds real problems go away - altering art (yeah, i called this art) in any form in an attempt to pacify some feared reaction to it is, historically, part of the problem - part of why the worlds problems are such as they are - and why some of the worlds real problems never go away - fudging around with a movie or book will not keep anyone safe from the world - just like frisking old ladies for tubes of hand lotion at the airport wont - its all cosmetic - its meant to make us (america) appear responsible, when in reality we are far from it - and that has little to do with the movies we watch - there are countries that ban movies like this and outlaw certain books yet condone public stonings - lifes full of choices - so whats the point
but still Fuck the MPAA by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 11:48:47 AM
I mean everything in this trailer cuts so fast you can hardly tell what's going on. IF it wasn't for that picture yesterday, I wouldn't have seen the Area 51 box, but then again, I didn't pause the trailer and review it 18 times
The following post has been approved for All Audiences by BrandLoyalist	Feb 15th, 2008 11:49:21 AM
The talkback it appears in has been rated NC-17 as ever. Maybe the guns had to go to get the MPAA "All Audiences" rating we see before previews, since young children in the US just aren't used to seeing guns pointed at people. I'd say it's as likely that the big wavy flag was removed from the int'l version as added to the US version; our reputation abroad isn't what it used to be since about 2003. Not a big ticket seller. Guess we'll see whether there turns out to be an actual big wavy flag segue shot in the movie. Mongolian Cluster Fuck. Oops, that just slipped out - there goes my All Audiences rating.
Moriarty... by Dr_Ian_Malcolm	Feb 15th, 2008 11:54:30 AM
...if you think that trailer was a "mess" with strange pacing and a lack of efficient iconography, then you are more of an idiot than I originally thought. That is all.
Well for one thing pansies… by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 11:56:27 AM
You see this is how it starts. “oh it’s just a little tiny thing, nothing big” Well, what if it were a thousand little tiny things like this that happen every fucking day…wake the fuck up! I was once talking to my sister about how Blockbuster censors their movies. Yea that’s right, you see Blockbuster won’t carry some films so they tell distributors “if you cut this, this, and that out we’ll stock it on our shelves” Of course distributors cow down for the almighty dollar but that’s another story. So my sister says, well if they cut this and that out and I never knew it was there to begin, with what does it matter? What does it matter? It’s censorship you ass! They took the directors original vision and changed it to their liking or to protect us or to protect our children. But the worst part is that it was censored…now…in 2008! What bugs me the most is that that particular part was cut out of the American version. You remember America? Do ya? Remember US? You people that live here in the states and throw a blind eye make me sick.
do you guys think that if someone steals the skull by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 11:57:31 AM
from Indy, that he will be 'skull fucked"?
frankenbastard by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 12:01:13 PM
I remember the US, and how they turned a blind eye to the government that lied about WMD's to get into a needless war and people didnt do shit about it. But I draw the line at taking out a .2 second clip of guys with guns out of an Indiana Jones movie trailer. Fucking disgusting!
HI I ARE HARLAN ELLISON by ArcadianDS	Feb 15th, 2008 12:05:19 PM
When I was a young writer cranking out brilliant literature and selling it to 'pictureless comic books' for a few bucks, It dawned upon me that the problem with America is not that we have too many guns, but that we have too many pictures of people holding them. So shortly after my inspirational fit of making a tv character say a bad word and telling Desi to go swim back to his greasy hole in Havana, I decided that I would issue another of my many angry little edicts: no more pictures of people holding guns. You will note that not one of my blockbuster novels written in the previous five years had any pictures of people holding guns on the cover. Sorry I've just been informed that I have actually NOT written any blockbuster novels in the past five years, and possibly the past fifty. This alone makes me a cranky old geezer. All you young union writers need to GET OFF MY LAWN DAB NABBIT! Gene actually insisted that Kirk use the words 'dab nabbit' and I told Desi - stop being a stupid moron and tell your drunk wife to s top climbing my fence and running around my back yard in her underpants asking for a cigarette.' Please distribute this to anywhere you want - I can't get a publisher to distribute ANYTHING I wrote for the past 15 years, so maybe this will help make me relevant again. Lastly, DAMN YOU L RON HUBBARD!
JimmyJoe RedSky by systemsbroom	Feb 15th, 2008 12:06:22 PM
my point isn't that censorship isn't a problem (although I would argue with your sweeping statements about "the world's problems" and their causes), it's that the relationship between changes in this piece of advertising and anything of any consequence is vanishingly small. And that there are big problems and issues out there (you touched on one with your example of the old lady and the lotion) that better warrant people's attention. On a deeper level, what people are engaging in on this board is a lot of very unreflective thinking along the lines of: "Censorship is always really bad. Removal of guns from a trailer for a movie might be censorship. Ergo, there is something really bad about this trailer!", which is nonsense. It's commercial advertising, and even setting aside the fact that the people who put this together make all sorts of selections of material and composition choices in order to appeal to the consumers they are targeting (which might mean eliminating a US flag in overseas ads, for example), even if this were censorship of the most egregious kind, so what? This is an advertisement whose sole purpose is to get you to buy a ticket to see this movie. You can't simply call something art, call some manipulation of that art censorship, and thereby elevate the incident to some level of extreme importance when the underlying effect on anything real is negligible.
Nosferatu Jones makes good points by monorail77	Feb 15th, 2008 12:06:30 PM
I would not be surprised at all if this were merely an aethetic decision because its the first "reveal" of Indy in the trailer. Also, Miss Teen North Carolina should be called upon to orate upon thie situation of U.S. Americans who sadly have a lack of pointed guns, and such.
Frankenbastard by systemsbroom	Feb 15th, 2008 12:13:05 PM
Slippery slope arguments are only relevant if you can demonstrate some pathway and some likelihood that that pathway will be followed whereby the negligible ill will progress into a consequential ill. And then of course, if you are acting rationally, you discount the potential future consequential ill by the likelihood that it will never be realized and then you compare it with all the bad shit that is actually happening in the world, and make some sort of decision about which problem to turn your attention to. If you really think that this movie-trailer cgi gun issue is worth your attention and effort, and all the hyperbolic stuff getting spouted around here, then I'd say your judgment is rather questionable.
Kloipy by systemsbroom	Feb 15th, 2008 12:18:02 PM
tip of the hat to you.
systemsbroom by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 12:19:16 PM
thank you sir
Awww systemsbroom… by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 12:27:26 PM
You really had me cheering for ya and nodding my head yes till you used the term “bad shit” then you lost me. You just came off eloquently retarded, as if you copied it off the fine print of a Nintendo Wii users manual. I’m guessing you’re a rep for Blockbuster. But what do I know I think censorship of any kind is evil. Wait till they try to ban your porn then it will make a difference huh? I’m one of those nuts that wants to fix all the “bad shit” in the world.
Kloipy... by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 12:29:24 PM
I was one of those free thinking weirdo’s that thought the war was maybe just a tad bit of an overkill and a terrible thing.
iamjack by ArcadianDS	Feb 15th, 2008 12:29:51 PM
Clearly the Illinois gunman was watching the international trailer yesterday afternoon, and it caused him to do such horribad things. Oh save us Industrial Lights Thats Magic! Save us from our potential for evil with your Magical Lights - thats INDUSTRIAL!
Who Cares? by Ratphink	Feb 15th, 2008 12:30:07 PM
I don't really care much as it's just a trailer. I think things get manipulated all the time in trailers to generate interest in a film. How many times have scenes cut from films been in trailers? Now, if it appears this way in the theatrical release, that's another story, as the Euro trailer doesn't have this problem.
My new favorite talkback game: by Dwide Shrewd	Feb 15th, 2008 12:30:10 PM
Enter a search string for naughty words and count them. So far in this TB, "fuck" and derivations thereof has been used 63 times. Not bad. "Cunt", on the other hand, has only been used 3 times. Come on, you fucking cunts, Jane Fonda wants more of that cunty goodness!
yeah I thought that way too Frankenbastard by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 12:31:32 PM
but I got more upset over the war than I did about guns being removed from a movie trailer. I know blockbuster censors their movies, so I choose not to rent from them, simple as that. Some people just don't give a fuck though so they will rent from it. I'm not for censorship but there are a lot more important things to be upset about that actually deserve our time to fight about
fucktastically full of cuntified coolness... by just pillow talk	Feb 15th, 2008 12:33:50 PM
that's what I hope for this movie. Do I get bonus points for using both Dwide?
oh fucktastically by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 12:34:49 PM
what a wonderful cunting phrase. cunts taints cunty ass cunt fucks and cunts
Agreed Kloipy by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 12:36:50 PM
100 percent. I like ya man.
Ratphink by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 12:38:35 PM
Well said Ratphink. We'll just have to see. Hey man want to go see it when it comes out?
systemsbroom, this is a movie site... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 15th, 2008 12:38:58 PM
... thats why we are talking about this stuff - i get even more annoyed when it comes to more pressing issues (in the world) - no one is comparing this to "all the other bad shit in the world" as you say - obviously, there are more pressing issues - you are free to go talk about them on another website - you said... "You can't simply call something art, call some manipulation of that art censorship, and thereby elevate the incident to some level of extreme importance when the underlying effect on anything real is negligible." - sure i can - it is art, the manipulation is censorship (the proof is in the fact that europe didnt remove the guns), it is "important" because the "underlying effect" is on the "real" issue of not addressing a problem responsibly - rather, pretending to by shoving the american flag in our faces and erasing a few guns form a picture
INDIANA JONES AND THE AICN NON-STORY! by Rickey Henderson	Feb 15th, 2008 12:41:17 PM
So Paramount's film trailer editing team makes a change to frame Indy, and Moriarty goes apeshit. Am I getting this right? How about some serious complaints? You know, about how the CGI in that cliffside car chase looks a like an awful videogame?
Harry made the wrong choice, and here's why... by BGDAWES	Feb 15th, 2008 12:41:56 PM
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Kloipy, no shit... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 15th, 2008 12:43:04 PM
"there are a lot more important things to be upset about that actually deserve our time to fight about" - yeah, but not in a talkback about the suspected censorship of guns from an Indiana Jones trailer - considering what this site is about, i think this is news worthy and deserves some attention - or am i nuts?
JimmyJoe RedSky by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 12:43:59 PM
what we were saying is that, because of the fact that people have seemed to do little to nothing about some of the crazy shit that goes on in this world, it's almost a puny worthless fight to get so upset over a second worth of guns in a shot. I'm just saying we should pick our battles wisely. Especially when we have such a large forum to maybe get people interested in standing up for something that is worth standing up for
do you really think that Lucas or Spielberg just by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 12:47:41 PM
let this happen without any knowledge of it? If the MPAA told them they couldn't put the guns in there, they could have said "No, i won't risk my artistic freedom just to appeal to you" but in fact if the MPAA told them they couldn't have the guns in and then they went and took them out, than you know who to place the blame on. IF you want to sit around and talk about the merits of your 'art' then by God you should stand up for them no matter what
Again, I agree with Nosferatu Jones by monorail77	Feb 15th, 2008 12:48:17 PM
Well put, again. It just doesn't add up to censorship or an overly protective MPAA or studio when you look at the trailer as a whole. Its all about context, I think. I'm glad they made the CGI edits for 2 reasons: 1: It likely made the Indy reveal more striking. 2: "CGI Pants" is now a hilarious internet phenomenon, right up there with "Muthafuckin Snakes on a Muthafuckin Plane" and "Its a Lion, Its Huge"
One trailer to rule them all... by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 12:53:40 PM
Look, just make one trailer and give it to the entire world. How hard is that?
at least by Stevie Grant	Feb 15th, 2008 12:54:52 PM
they didn't replace the guns with walkie-talkies
what's the big deal?! by RustyStardust	Feb 15th, 2008 12:55:43 PM
my god, talk about nit picky. indiana jones is back! and, all you can talk about is cgi pants?! snoooooze....
Not a good trailer. by Kid Idioteque	Feb 15th, 2008 12:57:00 PM
It accomplished the absolute minimum. It made me smile. I didn't get up and start screaming and jumping around the room. I wish it made me do that. I didn't really notice the CGI even after reading this article, but whatever. I'm still looking forward to the movie, but the concept just seems kind of tired now. But I still smiled when that theme music kicked in. How could anyone not?
Pants... by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 12:57:54 PM
Dude the word pants is the greatest fucking word in the English language, it always has been. I think “Who died and made you Mr. censored pants” would have been a better title though. One of the best lines in the Terminator is “that son of a bitch took my pants”. Don’t believe me, just watch it and try not to smile.
Walkie Talkies by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 01:00:18 PM
Shit i forgot about that Stevie Grant. And we saw how the public came out in droves to see the re release of ET huh? Hmmm the plot thickens.
EXCELLENT FUCKING REPORTING MORIARTY by heyscot	Feb 15th, 2008 01:10:47 PM
What the fuck?!?! This is absurd! WHAT THE FUCK?!? YOU DON'T CGI INDY OR RAY WINSTONE'S PANTS BECAUSE OF THAT!!!! WHAT THE FUCK!??!
LINK FOR THE BRAZILIAN TRAILER by gutogmga	Feb 15th, 2008 01:20:49 PM
Here it´s the link for the international/ portuguese subtitled trailer: http://cinema.uol.com.br/ultno t/2008/02/14/ult4332u656.jhtm Yeah, it´s true. There are some differences between the US and international version. Mainly the guns and the big american flag -the flag would automaticaly create a negative feeling towards the movie in many countries. Sorry, but it´s true.
Moriarty... by Embeedeuce	Feb 15th, 2008 01:22:43 PM
You're such a hater. (j/k)
See, THIS is what happens when ppl bitch about TEMPLE OF DOOM by Mike_D	Feb 15th, 2008 01:23:23 PM
we get shitty CGI movies with the guns taken out.
Well, Node... by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 01:26:58 PM
...if you're going to act like a shit, then I'll gladly treat you like one.
BREAKING NEWS: GUNS TO BE REPLACED WITH WALKIE TALKIES by Mike_D	Feb 15th, 2008 01:28:36 PM
curtousy of the studio.
Re: Nosferatu Jones by xavier masterson	Feb 15th, 2008 01:29:01 PM
"2) Why do they digitally INSERT a gun into the hands of a soldier in the background, after taking them out of the foreground?" ----They didn't. Look at the unedited picture. He has a gun POINTED at Jones and Winstone in the unedited version. In the changed version they sloppily inserted a gun being held away from them. That's the "smoking gun" that points to that shot being changed specifically because of the guns being pointed at them. Otherwise, I see no reason to change the position of the gun being held by the background soldier on the left since it doesn't obscure the foreground of the shot.
"Howard... by Embeedeuce	Feb 15th, 2008 01:30:45 PM
...do you really think they're gonna let you put out a whole movie just about tits?" "Sure. Who doesn't like tits?"
This movie will have no balls by performingmonkey	Feb 15th, 2008 01:34:54 PM
This is going to be the ROTJ of the Indy series. Beyond the realms of self-awareness and totally pussified.
It was a Fucking Teaser for Christ's Sake by TheLastCleric	Feb 15th, 2008 01:40:43 PM
Teasers are by definition small snippets of footage that basically serve to wet the appetite. As teasers go it was pretty damn good and the iconography that Mori claims was absent is actually there in spades. Some of you have reached a point in your useless fucking lives that all you have is venom and spite; you think your incessant shit-talking makes you intellectually superior or, at the very least, elevates your taste in film but in reality most of you come off as joyless fucks who want to spread misery. Mori’s pedantic little critique will no doubt pave the way for the hate-filled fucktards to spew more bile but most of us hopefully can sit back and have the time of our collective lives. And Mori, I actually like your contributions here and I really enjoyed both of your Masters of Horror episodes but you need to lighten the fuck up a bit because you’re beginning to sound like Devin over at Chud and he is easily one of the biggest and most pretentious assholes in the Northern Hemisphere.
I love it! This single image has single-handedly killed this mo by zillabeast	Feb 15th, 2008 01:40:51 PM
Americaaaa, fuck yeah!
It's the MPAA by Toulon	Feb 15th, 2008 01:41:45 PM
there are VERY weird and strict rules for trailers and print ads, and one of them is that no weapon can be directly pointed at the intended victim . . . this includes knifes, guns, whatever. It's fucking stupid, but it is a HARD rule . . . you can intercut shots of the weapon and the victim, but they can't be in the same frame. Just one more thing to hate about the MPAA.
you said it last cleric. by RustyStardust	Feb 15th, 2008 01:46:09 PM
this site has become nothing but the raving complaints of a bunch of lunatics. it was a teaser. and, the guns will be in the movie. aint it pathetic...
That's way overthinking it Nosferatu by xavier masterson	Feb 15th, 2008 01:46:12 PM
That shot is so quick, only us geeks who slowed it down would notice what position the background soldier is holding the gun, or whether he's holding one at all. Believe what you will. I'm not saying it makes since considering the explosions and other shots of guns in the trailer, but that one shot has obviously been tampered with so as to not have out heroes standing there with guns pointed directly at them.
performingmokey by peytonallen	Feb 15th, 2008 01:46:52 PM
This movie has no balls? It's Speilberg returning to his roots, nearly 20 years past the point when he was making movies like this. As he's said he's had to try and compete with a younger director, trying to mimic some of his own earlier work. That's balls. You're featuring TWO aging actors. One who hasn't opened a movie successfully in close to five years if not longer. You're banking on the fact that Harrison can still turn it on and carry a movie. And the second, is an aging actress in an action role. When does that happen? I love all the Lucas bashing. You people realize he has neither written this script or directed the movie. This is Steven's baby. George has done what he's always done in this series. Supplied the idea. The prequels mean shit to how this movie will fare. It was a good teaser. A TEASER. I could've done without the recap of who Indiana Jones is, but it has been 20 years. Let's wait until we get the first full length trailer that will sell the movie a little more before we all judge. Regardless, how many of us have walked into a movie we knew dick about and walked out blown away? How many times have we complained that trailers give away too much, etc? Look at the early teasers for the OT and older films. My gosh those were horrible. It will be interesting to see Indy Jones played this way. Muted. Aged. For that reason alone, if you say this movie has no balls you're a moron.
Holy shit thats weird and random... by Tourist	Feb 15th, 2008 01:49:33 PM
...Its not even a good line or anything. The trailer looked kind of tossed together too much to have been worked on so extensively. What a waste of money. Plus I told you Ford was asleep in the trailer.
Don't think it's the MPAA... by OldWizard	Feb 15th, 2008 01:50:07 PM
I think it's the weasels at Paramount. This scene that has been manipulated and the Flag addition (or subtraction, as I think it is) is all for marketing reasons... so as not to offend as many people at once as possible. It's all money based. If the movie is hinting at what looks like the american army in the nazi roles here, it might turn off a big section of the country... so they take out the implied threat by removing and lowering guns... and adding an american flag to make people think that everything is hunky dory. What's a little foolish is having a european version... so that the changes are completely apparent. I did notice something was funky with the guns shot yesterday, but honestly didn't realize all of the changes... but now, that we can see what's actually going on, the changes are obvious. But again, conspiracy theorists who think the MPAA is all powerful are just blowing this way out of proportion. It's money that talks... and the studio isn't gonna turn off a big chunk of their revenue by putting the USA in a bad light... at least until the movie comes out.
what the fuck...? by Gungan Slayer	Feb 15th, 2008 01:54:20 PM
LOL. this is funny...yet confusing and retarded at the same time. what the hell...
Nosferatu by Yeah I Wrote That	Feb 15th, 2008 01:56:52 PM
Your argument is interesting, but I think it's more likely that there was MPAA interference. I know that when it comes to posters, there is a certain amount of guns that cannot be shown. These people sit around and count everything. I bet the trailer exceeded the number of guns allowed, so they tweaked shit to maximize the amount of onscreen jeapordy.
Waterboard the MPAA... by Frank Black	Feb 15th, 2008 02:01:20 PM
I grew up with guns. I had a 22 rifle when I was 4 or 5 and was forced to hunt and finish kills. My dad was an avid hunter but we didn't live off, need or enjoy the food he killed. Several of his friends and people I went to school with had gun accidents and I knew kids who accidentally shot a brother or sister with a gun. I'm a damn good shot with a gun. I haven't owned one in years and haven't eaten meat in years either. Video games and movies with violence can put ideas in people's minds but rational people fight the urge to kill a bunch of people because it doesn't solve anyone's problems. My dad actually got a gun seller's license at one point and was able to sell guns at gun shows and was going to open a shop. We had automatic guns and machine guns and I was bullied to the breaking point many times in high school and could have taken out half of the school but didn't. Banning guns won't stop gun violence and giving them out so liberally isn't the answer either. Speaking of liberal, that is me to a tee and I am proud of it. There is a bigger problem here than guns and it has to do with parenting and th economic and social condition of this country. To all of you from other countries shaking your finger at us Americans, unless your country if perfect (which none of yours are) you shouldn't judge us. Chances are you or someone you know has benefited or visited the United States and had a really wonderful experience as a result. For every war we start or gun massacre in a school, there is a lot of greatness that comes from this country. Many of us Americans don't like Bush or the hypocrisy that you all point out but in order for us to manage our democracy we have to endure some annoying shit too. The MPAA goes too far but the scene will be back in the movie as it was meant to so we don't have to worry. It is weird and pointless and a needless attempt to shield and sanitize our youth from things they are already exposed to that are far worse and frequent but I think we have had so many shootings that people are in panic mode. I say more tits and ass and less guns anyway so why not replace the guns with breasts. Our world is surreal but why should we deal with the issues when Britney just had another Mocha Grande and visited a gas station rest stop?
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/2 008/02/14/526940.html by Pipple	Feb 15th, 2008 02:05:37 PM
uncensored version incase it hasn't been posted. FUUUUUUUUCK YOU MPAA. DON'T FUCK WITH OUR DAMN MOVIES YOU SHIT SHOVELERS.
Dont think it was the MPAA... by Tourist	Feb 15th, 2008 02:07:18 PM
...Well, not one hundred per cent sure anyway. I'm with the above poster, I think its more to do with not portraying Indie as a terrorist GI Joe killer. That was actually something I thought when just watching the first bootleg. "Hmmm. The Americans are Nazis now? Rough."
There is also a Dude that appears from nowhere by RainesMaker	Feb 15th, 2008 02:13:17 PM
Behind Ray there is some shadow distortion on the hanger then a guy pops out from the right of the guard.
Shit, I didn't even notice by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 02:16:50 PM
I was too busy enjoying the trailer.
Barron Hilton arrested for drunk driving! by Knobules	Feb 15th, 2008 02:17:14 PM
Yeah the little shits name is Barron. Cant Lucas do some good and CGI OUT the Hiltons? Oh Indy. Right. Guns out, I like Ham! Elbow punch dumb! Uh. Lucas fat neck.
THE MPAA ARE AGENTS OF THE ILLUMINATI AND ELDERS OF ZION!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 02:24:52 PM
Thousand points of light.
SPOILER? by Embeedeuce	Feb 15th, 2008 02:26:04 PM
Pretty sure that despite the uniforms, those are Soviet soldiers. So, there's no real "GI Joe" bashing. (not sure of the rules, so I tagged as spoiler just in case)
Will someone please explain what the MPAA did? by WWBD	Feb 15th, 2008 02:30:21 PM
Moriarty, you wrote this article as if everyone already knows what all the hubbub is about. Did the MPAA make them remove guns or subtitles or pants or pockets or flags or what?
What are we arguing about here? by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 02:32:42 PM
CG? Guns? What?
Another changed shot has been found... by xavier masterson	Feb 15th, 2008 02:37:22 PM
http://chud.com/forum/showpost .php?p=2146846&postcount=475 I checked it with the US trailer and this isn't a case of the gun changing positions within a span of seconds. So explain that one Nosferatu.
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT? by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 02:37:48 PM
Mind control and manipulation.
chumpmonkey We still have 100,000 troops in Germany by Mace Tofu	Feb 15th, 2008 02:39:47 PM
And that war was over in 1945. Anyone who thinks our troops are coming home if we get a new President is living in a LaLa land lol. A word from your next president... http://tinyurl.com/2mdznd
Link to new images I posted above by xavier masterson	Feb 15th, 2008 02:40:41 PM
Get rid of the space between showpost and the period and the link should work.
Are we arguing about Giant Robots? by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 02:40:47 PM
Let's argue about Giant Robots.
Wal-Mart Has Chosen Blu-Ray by Fatty Magee	Feb 15th, 2008 02:41:29 PM
Nail, meet coffin.
POSSIBLE EXPLANATION by griffy651	Feb 15th, 2008 02:42:42 PM
I emailed this to Moriarty, but apparentl he's not checking it. The IGN DVD board I frequent had a user the night before post about receiving the trailer, but it came in TWO VERSIONS, one to play before Spiderwick, another to play before PG-13 and R movies. I'm thinking the US Online version is the Spiderwick-friendly version of the trailer. Here's what he said: "Got our 4 movies that open on Thursday in today along with 2 loose copies of the trailer. Threw on the scope version of the trailer by itself and enjoyed. First half is basically a reminder of past adventures and the entire 2nd half is action, classic theme playing, familiar warehouse, along with a few one liners (good ones) So yes everyone should indeed enjoy the 1min50sec long trailer (reported it was 2.5 minutes before but read the wrong trailer length) Just of a note though. It seems there are 2 versions of this trailer coming out on Thursday. Spiderwick seems like it will get a tame version of the trailer (skulls seen in the trailer) as the ones on Step Up 2 and Jumper were lable Trailer #2 To be played on PG-13 and R rated prints only. The trailer lable that came with Spiderwick was given Trailer #1 tag. Now in the words of Eric Cartman "WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME" Here's the link to the thread, but you need a paid account to see it: http://boards.ign.com/dvd_gene ral_board/b5041/158881612/p1/? 40
Third soldier appears magically from nowhere by Maceox	Feb 15th, 2008 02:45:43 PM
I am not sure any one noticed or not, but a soldier magically appears on the left side of the screen then walks quickly to the right. Check out the :58 second through :62. Also the truck he lands in has a canopy over the back. In the next shot of him driving the truck, it is a different truck. There is a crate in the passenger side and no canopy over the back.
I don't really mind the alterations by Automaton Overlord	Feb 15th, 2008 02:47:53 PM
I mean, the very next shot is Indy being shot at. Generaly, I hate this kind of censorship, but if this trailer is to be shown in front of "Rugrats learn to use the potty" so be it. It's only an advertisment for art, not the art itself.
Re: griffy651 by xavier masterson	Feb 15th, 2008 02:48:14 PM
That may be the case, but it still doesn't explain the illogic of changing the positions of some guns, and outright ersaing others, while allowing a very clear shot of soldiers being blown to hell in an explosion. This is really what Mori's article is about. The batshit crazy decision making on the part of the MPAA. How do you justify the removal of one while allowing the other?
griffy651 > Moriarty by ArcadianDS	Feb 15th, 2008 02:48:24 PM
I love me some Moriarty and lunchmeat sandwiches all day long, but this update was a conclusionary leap of Olympic magnitude. Thanks for the oh so simple, believable, and most importantly, non-hyperbolic explanation to this entire non-dramatic non-mystery. And now all the 'ZOMG MPAA AND AMERICA IS BASSACKARDS!' posters can go back to reading anime comics.
Not the only part... by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 02:49:16 PM
Um, guys and or girls that's not the only part of the trailer that got “enhanced” check out when he gets slapped by the soldier towards the end. Don’t tell me there isn’t something wrong about all this.
Are we still talking about E.T,? by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 02:49:25 PM
Did E.T. really die or was he just in a coma?
he died skywalker by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 02:50:53 PM
but he came back stronger than you could ever imagine
Art Bell knows all by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 02:52:33 PM
tonight on Coast to Coast AM
Right after this shot, Indy is running and being shot at. by Rev. Slappy	Feb 15th, 2008 02:52:51 PM
So having a gun pointed at him is bad for the kids, but seeing him flee from actual bullets is ok. Duly noted.
But did Elliot have Jedi powers and resurrect him by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 02:55:59 PM
or was it because E.T. knew the spaceship was coming back?
the world may never know by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 02:56:41 PM

Re: Nosferautu by xavier masterson	Feb 15th, 2008 02:57:53 PM
Sorry if the link didn't work, but did you see the pictures in that post? The shot in the trailer of Indy being slapped? There are soldiers surrounding him. In the U.S. version the guns are pointed toward the ground. In the Norwegian version they are pointed directly at Indy. They've been altered the same as the above shots Mori provided.
The MPAA is trying to protect us from what exactly? by Han Cholo	Feb 15th, 2008 02:58:13 PM
Like we haven't been subject to seeing worse shit like torture porn and all that shit, now they're gonna fuck with a few shots of guns being cocked? FUCK THE MPAA
All I Know Is ... by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord	Feb 15th, 2008 02:58:31 PM
@ 1:38:??, The Beef is making one hell of a retarderated face.
E.T. is kind of like Gandalf but an alien version by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 02:58:51 PM
he can come back at random times, but this is only a guess, I have no evidence to back this up
XIPHOS by BringingSexyBack	Feb 15th, 2008 03:05:15 PM
Don't forget Google! Google is the technology arm of all those organizations!!!!!
Anchor-I see The Bates in my dreams! by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:06:22 PM
Warwick is also in this movie playing the role of the glasses
The crates... by Embeedeuce	Feb 15th, 2008 03:06:55 PM
...are full of rejected Darabont drafts.
Also... by Embeedeuce	Feb 15th, 2008 03:08:34 PM
if you freeze the trailer at :42 you can totally tell that Harrison Ford is stoned.
Dennis Kucinich by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:09:05 PM
I think he is a REAL alien. Did anyone see him on Colbert Report? That dude is seriously hiding some feelers underneath his wig
Walmart buys AICN! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 03:12:53 PM
Hercules to become Door Greeter.
Warwick will star as Necronomicon by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:14:04 PM

Trailer a mess? by MartinBlank	Feb 15th, 2008 03:14:38 PM
Eh, I dunno. Have a look at the trailers for the earlier Indy flicks on the same Yahoo page. Each trailer reflects the trailer style of its day. The 'Raiders' one is very early-'80s and spoilerish. The TOD one makes it look like any other mid-'80s action flick. The 'Last Crusade' one suffers from Mr. Happy Narrator (as opposed to Mr. Serious Narrator who narrates the 'Raiders' one). This new one? It's officially labelled a teaser trailer. Fans have been baying like dogs for some footage, and here's some footage. Here's Indy back in action again. It's not really structured like a full trailer. It's action-heavy and seems to have been put out to let the general public, most of whom haven't been poring over every detail leaked by Lucasfilm and watched every indianajones.com scrap of behind-the-scenes footage, that there is really a new Indiana Jones flick coming this summer. I have a feeling we'll get a longer trailer before too long.
I'm Not Poring Over This Thing, I Swear by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord	Feb 15th, 2008 03:14:41 PM
This morning CNN I think was runnning a partial clip and happened to freeze the video right as LeBeouf makes the worst facial expression anyone ever could ... I snorted coffee, and lemme tell ya, it does NOTHING for the sinuses.
P.S. by Embeedeuce	Feb 15th, 2008 03:15:25 PM
FREE BAI LING!
Bush Administration Biopic by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord	Feb 15th, 2008 03:18:11 PM
Warwick as Cheney's wallet.
Planet Earth documentary by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:20:09 PM
Warwick stars as dna strand
A tip of the hat to Mori by Dashing Roger	Feb 15th, 2008 03:20:12 PM
for calling this out, BTW. Whether the MPAA are the real culprits or not, Lucasfilm and Spielby must be aware of it. And Mori is still keeping it real. As I know he always will.
soundtrack by, who else, Aerosmith by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:20:39 PM

Correct Me If I'm Wrong But by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord	Feb 15th, 2008 03:22:57 PM
wasn't Warwick also a midichlorine in Ep.III?
Outlaw greed, stupidity and insanity by Guy Gaduois	Feb 15th, 2008 03:23:53 PM
and most of the world's problems = solved. The problem is enforcement, thus we're back at boomsticks. I value the boomstick and prefer to keep mine, but thanks for offering. What am I supposed to do if a professional sports' team comes to my town? Mark Chmura comes knocking on my door to ask out my daughter, I'm a smaller guy, I need the boomstick. Ray Lewis wants to play 'West Side Story' outside some club, I'd like a boomstick, thanks. You all can trust your fellow man, I've seen his work and must reject that premise. Did anyone notice that Harrison Ford seems older than he did 19 years ago?
he was Father by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:24:12 PM
he was also a blade of grass in Hero
Honey I shrunk the kids is a documentary about by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:26:29 PM
Warwick's childhood
also I should mention by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:27:34 PM
that Warwick played the titular role in Out of Africa, meaning he was the font that spelled out, Out of Africa
I KNEW THAT WAS HIM! by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord	Feb 15th, 2008 03:28:26 PM
I heard somewhere that he was originally tapped to play Rose McGowan's gun-leg in Planet Terror, but Rodriguez needed to scale back costs.
RE: xavier masterson by griffy651	Feb 15th, 2008 03:30:39 PM
I understand your worries about the MPAA forcing alterations, but I'm wondering if this had nothing to do with the MPAA but everything to do with Paramount/the filmmakers themselves just creating a family-friendly version of the trailer and the goofy decisions they made about what to alter.
Warwick by Kloipy	Feb 15th, 2008 03:30:59 PM
he has been playing Jennifer Connely's eyebrows for over 18 years now
Is this because it's American soldiers pointing guns at American by CampKoala	Feb 15th, 2008 03:33:09 PM
they've made the soldier in the background point his gun away from Indy, I guess that's the issue, they're pretending that the American Military aren't aggressive.
The Matrix by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord	Feb 15th, 2008 03:36:33 PM
Warwick = every empty shell casing in the lobby gunfight. Green screen magic!
THE MOST HORRIBLE RUMOUR by Ray Gamma	Feb 15th, 2008 03:38:07 PM
I don't know where to type this on here, but I just heard the most horrible rumour from a contact here in London who works for TMPC. And, please, please, let this be a joke. Wait for this... Apparently Universal are scouting for the cast for a remake, I repeat, A REMAKE, of "BACK TO THE FUTURE". And the worst part is, they're apparently looking for a 14-year-old actor to play Marty McFly. What the fucking fuck?
re: griffy651 by xavier masterson	Feb 15th, 2008 03:39:01 PM
Ah, OK, got ya. Yeah, it could be the Indy camp, themselves, that decided to create two versions of the trailer. I just wonder why, if that's the case, they would use the kid friendly version to premiere online and GMA? And why the guns had to be removed or repositioned but the soldiers being blown up could stay in. None of it makes sense. Not that it's something i'm pissed over, more a funny curiosity than anything.
A Daring Point to Make. Ready? by YakMalla	Feb 15th, 2008 03:40:35 PM
OK. AHEM I think they'll leave in the guns for the movie. Or, perhaps more to the point: Who cares?
Dr Poots by Ray Gamma	Feb 15th, 2008 03:42:42 PM
You're so stupid, you didn't even understand my original post.
RE: xavier masterson by griffy651	Feb 15th, 2008 03:43:53 PM
Yeah I definitely agree. Regardless of who the decision makers were, it's some goofy stuff.
Spoiler warning for the feebs: by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 03:50:42 PM
Those aren't American troops "in the Nazi role" of this film. Those are Soviet infiltrators in U.S. uniforms. Why else would Spalko be ordering them around? It has nothing to do with being sensitive about U.S. troops pointing guns at heroes (or "composition") and everything to do with lily-liveredness regarding the depiction of guns in film.
No no no no... Indy is a commie in this one! by Rickey Henderson	Feb 15th, 2008 03:54:13 PM
That's why he's fighting guys in U.S. army uniforms! Come on people, Indy IS a college professor after all... liberal agenda, anyone?
Mori by Blood Simple	Feb 15th, 2008 03:56:48 PM
Have you heard anything form Lucasfilm or Paramount? I'm actually kinda interested for an explanation. Seems curious to botch the Teaser Trailer for such a huge movie, knowing full well that us fans would pour over the damn thing frame by frame in HD - especially since it took so long to get any footage at all. Seems like a minor misstep that could have (and seems to have) developed into a semi-big deal.
Wasn't it Poltergeist that freaked out the MPAA... by Darth Macchio	Feb 15th, 2008 04:00:28 PM
..and thus caused the PG-13 rating? That's how I remember it anyway. And sorry about the lack of penis but I agree with those above...not interested in seeing em on screen. Double standard? Absofuckinglutely! Watched the immortal Fast Times scene with the beautiful Phoebe Cates....now if they showed Judge Reinhold's wang during the beat-off after her mesmerizing rise from the pool...it would have destroyed that fucking movie. And my fragile hold on sanity.
It's obvious the Commiees killed the U.S. by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 04:05:23 PM
troops and took over the warehouse, and Indy shows up to kick butt.
No really the name of the movie by RainesMaker	Feb 15th, 2008 04:09:58 PM
IS Cloverfield... its not just the psuedo production name.
DON'T HATE ON MPAA TOO MUCH by CM1986	Feb 15th, 2008 04:14:02 PM
Overprotecting us? Please, there were at least FOUR school shootings in the U.S. this week. FOUR. Absolutely disgusting. Guns are everywhere. I could honestly give two shits about them being digitally removed from a trailer. I don't want kids in this stupid country seeing guns every time they look at a screen. As long as the guns make it into the actual picture, nobody should give a fuck about the trailers. Maybe we should all turn our attention to some of the real news going on right now....
Maybe Winstone's pants turn into Beowulf! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 04:14:18 PM
Wasn't that guy Beowulf!!
re: griffy651 by monorail77	Feb 15th, 2008 04:14:53 PM
I have seen the Indy IV trailer play before both Spiderwick and Step Up 2 at two different theatres now (I check trailers for a studio). There is no difference between them. I think that projectionist post you referenced was pulling people's legs. Either that or two different theatres in my area (from two different theatre chains) BOTh decided to run the "kid-friendly" version before each film. I think not. Instead, I think there is only one North American Indy IV trailer, and that is the CGI Pants and Flag version.
Who is Spalko? by Knobules	Feb 15th, 2008 04:19:06 PM
Huh?
enough by SaluteYourShorts	Feb 15th, 2008 04:28:58 PM
Whoever doesn't like this trailer needs to go to hell. Enough said. It exceeds expectations.
re: THE MOST HORRIBLE RUMOUR by Stollentroll	Feb 15th, 2008 04:29:00 PM
Please, God, don't let it be true.
Guns...what?... by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 04:33:42 PM
Hey, a gun in a movie preview isn’t going to make my kids want to shoot up a school. (plus they are home schooled) Now a commercial for Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup cereal will make them want to buy it. That’s disgusting and a proven fact. I’m not a fan of guns by any means but I’m smart enough to realize that the reason why kids shoot up schools is shitty parenting plain and simple. My generation grew up with realistic looking toy guns that fired plastic bullets and we never shot up schools because our parents would have kicked the crap out of us for even thinking about it. It’s obvious why the guns were pulled from the trailer and that’s what makes it ridiculous. What, it’s alright to protect our sensibilities but fuck Europe? Or are they saying Europeans are more intelligent and Americans are idiots? One coming attraction for the entire world please.
Knobules by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 04:36:46 PM
Agent Spalko is the Soviet head honcho played by Cate Blanchett in this movie.
RE: monorail77 by griffy651	Feb 15th, 2008 04:37:10 PM
Yeah, my post is in no means definitive, just thought I'd shared something I read that may be an explanation. Seemed pretty logical to me, so I posted it.
CGI Pants - The by SkeletonParty	Feb 15th, 2008 04:38:17 PM

CGI Pants - The Worst Thing That Ever Happened by SkeletonParty	Feb 15th, 2008 04:39:38 PM
I"m so angry over the CGI pants that I'm going to strangle a hobo.
Lucas has gone too far!!! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 04:40:15 PM
CGI Pants!
Now is the time... by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 04:44:32 PM
...for some long-time lurker to sign up and take the name of "CGI Pants". Hell, we had talkbackers "DeadRapedDeer" and "Hung Wankenstein" for a while.
Indy's hat looks CGI as well before he picks it up by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 04:45:36 PM
Can we just film a movie here in good ol' film and worry about the CGI afterwards. This film was probably directed in the same awful manner that Lucas directed the last two SW prequels, with HD monitors and instant CG editing and all that stuff that helps create a synthetic piece of shit of a movie.
Wal-Mart, Netflix, and Best Buy have ditched HD-DVD and here's w by 69DUDE	Feb 15th, 2008 04:51:10 PM
....because it's fucked.
by SaluteYourShorts	Feb 15th, 2008 04:54:21 PM
you're all lame.
eh no big deal... its just the trailer by johnbot3000	Feb 15th, 2008 04:57:16 PM
...doubt they'll edit anything out of the actual movie. they probably ephed with the trailer to let Lucas have some fun since the movie will be CGI-free(supposedly). funny that they took all the time and energy to take out a couple guns though.
SaluteYourShorts by Mr. Nice Gaius	Feb 15th, 2008 04:58:13 PM
Fail.
DocPazuzu by CGI_Pants	Feb 15th, 2008 04:58:26 PM
Consider it done. Long have I lurked. And now I am here. That was just a good enough idea to 'cause me to register.
Nazi flag ... then American flag by Dreamfasting	Feb 15th, 2008 05:00:08 PM
So I was the only one who saw the waving Nazi flags and then the waving American flag and thought "wow, that's a daring parallel to draw"?
I just realized why it was done!!! by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 05:01:32 PM
Because the trailer was shown before the childrens movie Spiderwick. It won't be in the final movie. Thank God!
Before you all jump in... by Tal111	Feb 15th, 2008 05:04:42 PM
...I was planning to go crazy today and take out a few people but reconsidered. And the only reason? I thought twice after seeing no guns in that scene. So there, lives were saved. Good job MPAA!
"sell the iconography of Indy in the right ways" by Scrolly	Feb 15th, 2008 05:05:19 PM
Mori, I love ya but.... iconography??? iconography?? It's an Indiana Jones film. It's meant to be fun!!! "Selling the Iconography" would be the wrong way to go.
Cate Blanchett... by 69DUDE	Feb 15th, 2008 05:06:39 PM
really does look butch in this film, do you think she has a wanger?
Fuck you Spielberg and Lucas by Spoiler_Man	Feb 15th, 2008 05:07:17 PM
You cowardly spineless hacks.
I wouldn't worry too much by kyle051554	Feb 15th, 2008 05:08:10 PM
I sincerely doubt the censoring of the guns will be in the final version. Remember, trailers are rated for all audiences. Even though it's stupid that the MPAA bitched about the guns in the first place, and I don't see how guns are any worse than half of the horror movie trailers out there, again, I think the final cut will be just fine.
Lord CGI_Pants... by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 05:10:13 PM
...Riiiiiiiiiise...
Didn't you read my amazing post, kyle051554? by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 05:23:33 PM
I'M THE SMARTEST TALKBACKER IN THE WORLD!!!
hey did you guys notice anything odd about Winstone's pants? by finky089	Feb 15th, 2008 05:26:53 PM
something seemed a bit "off" in that scene where the soldiers aim their guns at them. Although, now that I look at it again, the solideries seem to have them surrounded, but there are no actual guns pointed AT them. Hmmm, strange indeed. Anyone think that whip crack was a little loud, too?
I have witnessed the bith of CGI_Pants!! by monorail77	Feb 15th, 2008 05:27:43 PM
Evil Emperor DocPazuzu and his apprentice, CGI_Pants have seized control of the intertubes!! And it is GLORIOUS!!!
wow 2,000 posts on the same shit over and over by finky089	Feb 15th, 2008 05:27:51 PM

it's why I love AICN by finky089	Feb 15th, 2008 05:28:17 PM
sincerely
"birth" not "bith" by monorail77	Feb 15th, 2008 05:30:56 PM
Fuuuuuuck. Also, insert snide inquiry about when AICN will be getting that "edit post" function exactly?
Damn you CGI Pants!!! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 05:31:04 PM
You ruined Indy for me!!!
It's a good thing.. by 69DUDE	Feb 15th, 2008 05:37:23 PM
..that they CG'd out the guns in the Indy trailer. Guns in movies are directly responsible for shootings like has just happened in Illinois. I hope we never see another gun on screen again, this is only way that we can guarantee that the kids of today will never go crazy with a gun again. As the media proves time and time again, shootings have nothing to do with teen angst, mental disorders or psychopathic tendencies and everything to do with guns in movies and TV. Thank the lord we have CG to erase them forever. *note: irony
There supposed to be a Howdy Doody like doll... by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 05:37:48 PM
In the movie that comes to life via the crystal skull, but Lucas opted to have it done in full CGI. It teams up with Indy and friends. Sounds dumb, but could work. The doll is called Mr wiggles. Lucas son thought up the idea.
The new "snakes/bugs/rats" in Indy IV is Giant Ants by finky089	Feb 15th, 2008 05:47:51 PM
spiders woulda made sense, but if you look at pictures of one of the new KOTCS Lego sets, the one with the Pyramid ruins has some alien skeletons and GIANT ANTS. I could be wrong. But misfires aren't unknown to things involving Luca$.
Way to make a mountain out of a molehill Mori... by blackmantis	Feb 15th, 2008 05:49:17 PM
Really, this is not that big a deal. Not worth and entire post...As someone who cuts trailers, I can tell you the MPAA has weird, arcane rules about guns, they can be featured, but have to be pointed at a certain angle away from the audience. This most certainly is what prompted the removal.
CANT WAIT TO SEE THE A-TEAM TRAILER by Crawing	Feb 15th, 2008 05:55:56 PM
...seriously, this is just frickin ridiculous. And, in a way, kind of ironic - Temple of Doom pushed hard and helped create the PG-13, fast forward twenty odd years and we now have a FOUR SECOND TRAILER SHOT having a no doubt silly amount of money spent on it to (badly) manipulate guns out of the shot. seriously, i could do better with sony vegas...the original plates...and 2 days to spare. Trust me.
Do me a favor by Mister Man	Feb 15th, 2008 05:58:38 PM
Somebody let me know if you can read this - curious situation.
MisterMan...... by travis-dane	Feb 15th, 2008 06:01:35 PM
why?
You people are a bunch of idiots by Razorback	Feb 15th, 2008 06:01:39 PM
The reason it was done is because the trailer has to be rated for ALL AUDIENCES by the MPAA to be shown in front of a children's movie. So, that means removing the guns FOR THE TRAILER. It will not be like that in the movie. Fucktards.
I hope Indy shoots first in this one. by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 06:02:19 PM
He likes the name Indiana!
Razorback by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 06:04:47 PM
So, people being disintegrated in explosions in front of a kids' movie is okay? Way to be consistent.
69DUDE, not to be a jerk or anything by systemsbroom	Feb 15th, 2008 06:07:33 PM
But devices designed to minimize the exposure of children to images of violence don't need to prevent every shooting anywhere ever in order to be successful--they just need to be cost effective. Numerous studies suggest that viewing scenes of violence on television can be correlated with increases in aggression and violence in children and young adults (see http://tinyurl.com/3cazjt). Thus, where the cost is low (like, changing an advertisement for a movie such that only interweb frame-by-frame obsessives will really notice a difference), it might make sense to minimize certain types of violent scenes where children will be watching. I'm not trying to defend the MPAA, its rules, or Paramount or Lucas or whoever, but I think it's worth noting that what (may have) happened here is not the moronically stupid and pointless exercise you and others are maybe making it out to be.
Thanks Why, what? by Mister Man	Feb 15th, 2008 06:11:01 PM

No wonder kids in America are fucked up... by ebonic_plague	Feb 15th, 2008 06:11:54 PM
...guns are your birthright, and the commies want to take them away, but it's morally wrong for you to know about them except as an abstract constitutional concept until you're 18, even the toy ones. Same with beer, drink beer and you can be a football hero like your dad, but if you take one sip before you're 21 YOU WILL UNINTENTIONALLY KILL EVERYONE YOU'VE EVER LOVED. Also, drugs are BAD AND WILL DESTROY YOUR SOUL, except for the rainbow of pills that are vitally necessary to take everyday to control your unacceptably age appropriate human behavior. BUT THEY WILL STILL KILL YOU IF YOU DON'T TAKE THEM EXACTLY LIKE WE TELL YOU. Also, SEX IS BAD AND EVIL AND WRONG, until you turn 18, then it's the entire motivation for all social interaction and advertising, BUT IT WILL STILL PROBABLY KILL YOU OR RUIN YOUR LIFE, unless you're married, in which case it's sacred... UNLESS YOU'RE A HOMO, in which case you don't get to do anything sacred because your existence makes Jesus cry. And around every corner is a predator waiting to sodomize your fresh bullet wounds so be sure to wear your kevlar and never get too far away from your designated armed guard. DISTRUST EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE, unless they have a badge or a flag pin on their lapel, and then don't question a damn thing they tell you or prepare to be tazed, bro. Just shut up and appreciate what you have, because honestly, you are so pampered and sheltered and loved, what do you have to complain about?
I just saw.. by Rando Calrisian	Feb 15th, 2008 06:12:30 PM
Lucas and Spielberg on a web cam, smoking a bowl, reading this thread and laughing at all of you. Would love to hear they did this on purpose just to fuck with everyone.
ebonic_plague:good one........ by travis-dane	Feb 15th, 2008 06:18:05 PM
keep it up.
RE: DocPazuzu by griffy651	Feb 15th, 2008 06:20:45 PM
But soldiers didn't get disintegrated in explosions in the teaser. There's a bunch of soldiers standing in front of a pile of boxes, and then a truck crashes through them, causing an explosion of debris and splinters to envelope them, but they don't explode into pieces like you make it out.
Moriarty you're an idiot! by Logan_1973	Feb 15th, 2008 06:26:26 PM
Or maybe you're right. Let's piss on the entire movie and boycott it all because the teaser is imperfect.
You leave Moriarty alone you!!! by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 06:29:05 PM
Moriarty is the most respected movie critic at AICN...word. Back that thing up.
There are still guns by miggymigs	Feb 15th, 2008 06:35:04 PM
If the point was to remove the guns, why can we still see the guns? I think they are rifles instead, but...rifles...still...kill people. They should have given them all bows and arrows. THAT would've been badass. And Indy could have a red headband that hung to one side. And no shirt. and a different face.
So Razorback... by Frankenbastard	Feb 15th, 2008 06:51:01 PM
You're saying that the kids in Europe can handle the gun play but here in the states it might make them vomit in horror? That's a bad argument dude.
Orionsangels... by Logan_1973	Feb 15th, 2008 07:08:26 PM
I would have agreed with that statement yesterday, last week, and 2 years ago. Hands down this was the dumbest review of a fucking TRAILER i've ever read.
Some Women's group complained that the "Raised" rifles by Mace Tofu	Feb 15th, 2008 07:22:37 PM
...the "Raised" rifles in the shot were too Phallic and aggressive looking so Lucas went back and CGI all the rifles in the shot into the pointing down "Limp" positions to appease the feminist fans who want to see Cate "butch" it up but would be offended by any long hard objects sticking UP onscreen. Steven snuck in the shot of the 4 pillars growing up into the sky to compensate for the rifles being taken out. Politics!
If you look hard at the trailer they plug the movie JUMPER by Mace Tofu	Feb 15th, 2008 07:29:36 PM
when Hayden "JUMPS" into a shot at 59 seconds. That's what I call cross-promotion!
griffy651 by DocPazuzu	Feb 15th, 2008 07:39:56 PM
So, a kid who is sensitive enough to be damaged by images of guns pointed at people is mature enough to know the difference between a guy who disintegrates in an explosion and is enveloped in flame and debris? You see the problem here?
That's funny... by jimmy rabbitte	Feb 15th, 2008 07:44:08 PM
...guns are too phallic for women's groups, so they want them digitally changed... whatever... ...meanwhile Jane Fonda says "cunt" on national TV and nobody really cares... To sum up... penis -- bad vagina -- good
ORIONSANGELS IS THE SMARTEST TALKBACKER by kyle051554	Feb 15th, 2008 07:45:46 PM
IN THE WORLD!!! We good? ;)
...oh and... by jimmy rabbitte	Feb 15th, 2008 07:46:46 PM
tits -- GRRRRR-REAT!!!!
CGI pants! I hate these guys! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 07:50:45 PM
If those aren't CGI pants, I'm Mickey Mouse!
Wah! I live in America! Wah! by 18to88	Feb 15th, 2008 07:56:07 PM
Go to hell.
if we edited out guns by the podosphere	Feb 15th, 2008 08:13:11 PM
every time some douche shoots someone in real life, we'd never see a gun in a movie ever again.
Lucsfilms sues Gen Con! by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 08:57:15 PM
Gen Con screwed up big time at Celebration IV! Probably won't do Celebration V.
spielberg shouldve put cgi boobs on everyone. by dr.bulber	Feb 15th, 2008 08:59:44 PM
boobs dont kill people. unfortunately.
Please, All You AICN TB'ers ... by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord	Feb 15th, 2008 09:03:33 PM
THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
Here's the animated gif by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 09:21:40 PM
His pants wobble and Indy's left pocket as well. It looks so cheap http://tinyurl.com/2u8xqp
Indy wheels by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 09:29:59 PM
it looks better in higher quality of course. watch it on TV. concentrate on the pants and indy's left pocket. also indy looks like he's wheeled in lol. i know he's old, but damn when you can't even walk for a role hehe.
That trailer was the PANTS! by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Feb 15th, 2008 09:30:09 PM
I laugh at the people who don't want this. This is gonna rock. Suck shit you bitter losers.
The funniest thing about all this... by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 09:52:33 PM
Do they do these alterations thinking we won't notice them? Does ILM think there really that good? We can do anything now! No one can tell. We've become a world of observant nosey internet people. Will notice!
Moriarty is indeed an idiot. by The Ghost of Marcus Brody	Feb 15th, 2008 10:00:26 PM
This is pointless. We saw a PG version of the first official teaser, NOT the movie. MPAA does suck shit, but so does this story.
Moriarty is my dad STFU!!! by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 10:01:43 PM
No not really
Thanks kyle051554. The checks in the mail by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 10:03:07 PM

Bush fucked my mother by performingmonkey	Feb 15th, 2008 10:04:50 PM
I look just like him. Go figure.
wow mori by t40stunt	Feb 15th, 2008 10:29:16 PM
hey great way to get some shit going on here . must be a slow news day for you guys . considering the last few weeks the other sites have been handing you guys your ass in scoops you would think something better than this would come up .... guess not though . sign of things to come i guess .
Guns Rule by Stevie Grant	Feb 15th, 2008 10:33:39 PM
There's a reason why guns are everywhere in movies. They are very cool BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY FUCKING COOL. You point a gun at something, pull the trigger, and the something explodes. Very entertaining. Indiana Jones needs more guns, not less guns. Also, this is a teaser trailer, not the film. As long as the film doesn't include CGI walkie-talkie shootouts, I'm game.
not everyone can be out on a friday night scoring hot chicks by Orionsangels	Feb 15th, 2008 10:41:22 PM

the big question is... by RustyStardust	Feb 15th, 2008 10:51:24 PM
why is moriarty so interested in harrison ford's and ray winstone's pants? hmmm....
DREW !!!! ONE IS THE NORWEIGIAN VERSION by livingwater	Feb 15th, 2008 11:01:50 PM
"Apparently, the American version of the trailer was too violent so they cut out guns that the soldiers are pointing at them. Check out this pic showing the American and Norweigian versions." === FROM CHUD ==== In any case, Americans use violence too much !!!!!!
DREW CREATED A MYSTERY OUT OF NOTHING by livingwater	Feb 15th, 2008 11:08:06 PM
"As it turns out, Spielberg may not be the guy to blame for how strange that shot is. Instead, it may be the MPAA that forced the digital alterations to the shot." "Why do I say that? Because of this image I found on the CHUD.com Message Boards earlier tonight." Drew: next time, you should read the info attached to the image....I can only assume you did this intentionally for a story.... #:>P] I wish there was an emoticon for "mon oeil" (http://tinyurl.com/yvw83g) - Yours Sincerely, Mr. Sherlock Holmes
I can't wait for NBC's show Guns or no Guns by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 11:19:54 PM
Awesome!
NOT selling the iconography? WTF? by Laserbrain	Feb 15th, 2008 11:23:26 PM
What could be more iconically Indy (and Spielberg) than showing Jones putting his trademark hat on via the shadowplay technique heavily used in the original films? NOT iconic? Booby trapped temples, Indy punching, jumping and whipping. Vehicle chases, Villains barking orders to "Get Jones!" (one assumes that's what Blanchett is saying). NOT selling the iconogaphy? What iconography is there left to sell? What a thoroughly bizarre quibble.
MPAA or Spielberg?? He took the guns out of E.T. too... by Executor	Feb 15th, 2008 11:45:13 PM
Why do we think it's an MPAA decision? Spielberg took the guns out of E.T. because he wanted to make it a little more "kid friendly"...maybe he wanted the same for this. Which obviously is not a good thing.
Spielberg said he didn't feel the FBI agents would by skywalkerfamily	Feb 15th, 2008 11:59:18 PM
raise the guns on kids, so that's why he took it out. He says on the DVD. Personally, I remember everyone in the theater being shocked at the scene where the FBI people raise the guns.
Ah by TheMcflyFarm	Feb 16th, 2008 12:34:39 AM
So that's why the trailer came out six months late.
DRAW GUNS? THE FBI WOULD WATERBOARD ELIOT AND GERTIE by BringingSexyBack	Feb 16th, 2008 01:02:26 AM
today to get ET's location. Put Rendition into your queues - then you know what I'm talking about! McCain/Paul 08!!
Nah, the FBI would just send them to Gitmo by skywalkerfamily	Feb 16th, 2008 01:20:42 AM
And make them listen to ten hours of Celine Dion.
skywalkerfamily, they wouldve aimed the guns by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 16th, 2008 01:28:18 AM
and mightve actually shot one of the kids - if it meant procuring a live sentient alien being - that was the point of that action in that scene - the villains (feds) were doing what they do - what prompted the entire escape - we are talking about the fbi, right? - the scene shoulda sytayed as it was - like Greedo shooting first - and like Greedo, the feds were the "bad guys" in that scene - the message being "if you find an alien and you become friends some scary guys with guns in sunglasses and suits will come looking for you - and it" - am i wrong?
i left out... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 16th, 2008 01:31:45 AM
it was meant to be "shocking" - to drive home the threat the fbi posed - that audience reaction was the right one - walkie talkies arent scary, but i guess they couldve thrown them very hard in an attempt to stop those kids
But if they wanted E.T. dead why did they by skywalkerfamily	Feb 16th, 2008 01:32:39 AM
send all those Doctors to Elliot's house to try and help him?
Censorship by blondeman	Feb 16th, 2008 01:42:20 AM
I hate censorship but I seriously doubt that the MPAA had anything to do with it, they love guns just not boobs.
Laserbrain by jfp2007	Feb 16th, 2008 01:43:56 AM
What the fuck is a quibble and where is the chuckwagon?
skywalkerfamily, they didnt want ET dead... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 16th, 2008 01:50:18 AM
they were aiming the guns at the kids - they wanted ET period - the kids were making off with him - the feds were trying to stop them - and if they did want ET dead it mightve been to contain any possible airborne threat (germs) that might come from him - thats why all those blue book dudes were wearing space suits when they entered the house
What's up with the flag shot? by Bill Clay	Feb 16th, 2008 02:34:11 AM
Stevie was willing to play the jingoism card for the US trailer? But he had to remove it for the International trailer since we currently are as popular as a turd in a punchbowl, I imagine.
Deep breaths... get a grip by Emperor_was_a_jerk	Feb 16th, 2008 03:08:39 AM
Dudes. Really. It is a one second shop in a two minute teaser. LET IT GO. And for those who are judging the entire movie based on this trailer you really need to wait until you see the other one hour and 58 minutes I think. It will be just fine. A fun, escapist movie in a time of crappy "ultra real" fare. Maybe if it was all first-person handheld camera people would like it.
If those molehills ain't mountainous enough for you... by L.H.Puttgrass	Feb 16th, 2008 04:15:08 AM
Check out Indy's hat... ...already on the ground by the side of the car before they pull him out of the trunk! W'sup wit dat!
The flag is hilarious by TheBigDogg	Feb 16th, 2008 04:19:32 AM
It really is. It's laugh out loud funny. Some guy in a marketing department is pissing himself laughing thinking that a bit of patriotism will get all you Americans in the theatres. Worst part is, he could be right. Either you're that easily manipulated or people think you're that easily manipulated. EIther way, it's funny stuff.
ORIGINAL REPOST FROM CHUD : COPY by livingwater	Feb 16th, 2008 04:50:37 AM
Agent of Chaos Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 126 Apparently, the American version of the trailer was too violent so they cut out guns that the soldiers are pointing at them. Check out this pic showing the American and Norweigian versions. http://tinyurl.com/yttz4a
if the MPAA prefer guns to boobs.... by livingwater	Feb 16th, 2008 05:18:36 AM
Then no wonder America is a penis orientated, violent, angry, misogynistic, sexless, aggressive homosexually orientated culture. I prefer boobs to guns personally... but that is because I'm male. Not gay.
Here's the Norwegian Trailer by alucardvsdracula	Feb 16th, 2008 06:21:52 AM
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur /2008/02/14/526940.html Ironic that the rest of the world (who don't have the right to bare arms - and kill each other) get to see guns in a Spielberg movie. Enjoy you poor yanks.
Trailer??? by alucardvsdracula	Feb 16th, 2008 06:24:57 AM
Fucking hotlinking ass fuck clown man shit cockasldfkjskl;jdadklsj. http://www.gesichterparty.de/i ndex.php?modul=magazin&action= show_article&magazin_article_i d=87 6
AAAAHHHHH Fuck this shisdal'fkfjios',. t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by alucardvsdracula	Feb 16th, 2008 06:26:12 AM
erl/nmdf. S
You're all 'Potty Mouths!' by john j rambo	Feb 16th, 2008 06:38:25 AM
This Talkback has degenerated into complete and utter filth. What had once begun as an intelligent and thoughtful discussuion on the perils of censorship in any form, and the conformity within certain aspects of American cinema, has unfortunately regressed to copious use of profanity. I had encouraged my 6 year old son (Whose Indiana Jones interest has piqued recently...after being forced fed the trilogy of late)to read this talkback alongside me. A combined talkback of Indiana Jones..and the perils of censorship, and furthermore the dangers that any censorships could precipitate towards our own 'freedoms', seemed an insightful one for both him and me to digest. However , you can imagine my disgust when the following 'words' were repeatedly discussed- "Cunt", "Fuck", "Cock"(And Variations of), "Shit", and several other profanity combos' that i have never encountered. I for one will never read this site again, and will make certain my son never gets the opportunity to view such immoral opinions again. Furthermore, i will be writing a very stiff letter to the head of the 'Internet' and 'Points Of View', demanding that this site be taken down, lest it corrupt other innocent impressionable minds. My biggest fear now is that my son son will degenerate into a small non black 'Chris Rock', or even a pre 90's 'Eddie Murphy'(Again not black). Im afraid retalliation by this site by your 'Members' will prove fruitless, as of finishing this diatribe i shall be disconnecting my internet connection.As unfortunately i can not see any other available solution. As such My computer will be restored to its primary function of an interactive colouring book. Yours Angrily John J Rambo
john j rambo by DocPazuzu	Feb 16th, 2008 07:01:41 AM
heh
Rambo by Kloipy	Feb 16th, 2008 07:13:54 AM
have you read a talkback before?
Kloipy by xavier masterson	Feb 16th, 2008 07:38:09 AM
Have you read satire before?
OMG!!! MY CHILD SAW A GUN ON TV!!! by LaserPants	Feb 16th, 2008 07:38:47 AM
And now he's SCARRED FOR LIFE!!! DAMN YOU GEORGE LUCAS AND STEVEN SPIELBERG!!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!! THE HELL YOU CREATED!!! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! !!
But Seriously, WHO CARES Either Way? by LaserPants	Feb 16th, 2008 07:40:33 AM
Odds are the movie will be a fun flick with nostalgia giggles, but its not going to be anywhere near as good as RAIDERS. And, lets face it, RAIDERS is the only really great Indy movie, the mother two were fun, but kinda whatevers.
Guns,Guns,Guns........ by travis-dane	Feb 16th, 2008 07:41:40 AM
come on Sal!The Tigers are playing TONIGHT!
Clarence Boddeker! You Are Under Arrest! by LaserPants	Feb 16th, 2008 07:45:33 AM
OCP runs the cops... your a... cop... Robocop fuckin RULES!!!
First by Custom_personality	Feb 16th, 2008 08:00:24 AM

by misnomer	Feb 16th, 2008 08:04:53 AM
"the right to bear arms" business is a joke. why the hell would any rational, well-adjusted human being want to own a gun? What the hell America? It's never made sense....then again there are people who are voting for McCain and not for Ron Paul. What a country! You are aware that invading Iran (for no reason) will lead to the death of millions - not to mention the high likelihood of it going nuclear. (type in Scott Ritter on youtube) yet here we are talking about the MPAA editing out some toy guns from an Indiana Jones trailer?
The Right To Arm Bears by LaserPants	Feb 16th, 2008 08:15:15 AM
What the founding fathers really meant, but were too drunk at the time, was the right to arm bears. And by bears I mean not only grizzly bears, but leather clad butch gay men with large mustaches. The idea was that an army of bears and large gay men in 70s leather fetish wear would be able to repel any attack made by whatever boogeyman / ex-employee terrorist decided to attack us, and by us I mean U.S. -- the country that appears to be at least 10, 20 years behind pretty much every other First World country. I blame Jeebus and his wacko minions.
The shadow knows... by denzacar	Feb 16th, 2008 08:17:54 AM
They forgot to edit the shadow on the ground at 01:36 when they replaced the gun of that soldier in the back with a kung fu grip. http://i19.photobucket.com/alb ums/b169/urda002/shadow.jpg
It's Barack Hussein Obama's fault! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 08:41:20 AM
He's terribly overrated and listens to Oprah far too much!
...or blame it on Obama's lack of experience by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 08:43:38 AM
...in diplomacy! One year in Congress (while hardly showing up) -- and then he decides to run for the office of Commander and Chief? Nahhhhhh! McCain/Condi in 2008!
....to overthrow a corrupt USA Government.... by livingwater	Feb 16th, 2008 08:56:51 AM
That was the point of bearing arms: of course that was when the founding father's had muskets and nuclear weapons, metal ships, TV, submachine guns and missiles were not invented. The whole right to bear arms is useful in nature occasionally, but in inner cities it makes life tense urban misery and an impersonal violence orientated jungle. Just my opinion.
Kloipy by Funketeer	Feb 16th, 2008 09:07:47 AM
A trailer is not art. If the guns are still in the final product then they didn't compromise anything. They released the trailer they wanted and if it weren't for the geeky efforts of a few people with way too much time on their hands, no one would have noticed the difference.
McCain! FUCK YEAH! by I Dunno	Feb 16th, 2008 09:27:51 AM
Let's elect someone with one foot in the grave who proposes more of the same in a war with a 17% approval rating! What could possibly go wrong? I don't know about all this CGI business but the only thing that bothered me about the trailer was the horribly chopped up and clumsily looped music. I'm surprised no one mentioned that yet. Or maybe they did, I didn't read all 12,000 posts.
...or elect Barack Hussein Obama! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 09:52:27 AM
Who, as a member of the new Democratic Congress, took "approval ratings" to an ALL TIME LOW. Barack Hussein Obama has made quite a few promises that he simply cannot keep outside of TAXING THE HELL out of middle-class Americans! This pompously overrated dumbfuck admits that he plans to increase taxes for the "uppercrust" of society. Who is he talking about? Well, in order to provide enough $$$ for his wild plans (terrible UNIVERSAL healthcare, free college [which makes a college degree worthless], etc...) -- Barack Hussein Obama will have to increase taxes on anyone who makes $30K or more per year! In other words, if you are an American with a decent, non-minimum wage job -- be prepared to shit money for Barack Hussein's government! And don't get me started on Obama's LACK OF EXPERIENCE! He is ready to declare SURRENDER to the terrorists in the Middle East...even though the US military is finally winning! While he shares little in common with the US military men and women. When he could have been serving his nation, Hussein Obama worked as a trial lawyer and was representing Rezko the Syrian's ghetto slums in Chicago against government regulations which tried to force him to improve living conditions for his tenants). Barack Hussein Obama is a terrible choice for America! His lack of experience and questionable past will come back to bite him in the general election (if he secures the nomination from his own party). John McCain, on the other hand, served his nation through a 23 year military career as a pilot, a decorated war veteran (who served 5 1/2 years being tortured in a POW camp), and 38 years of experience in Congressional public service. Both his father and his grandfather were Admirals in the US Navy. His spunky mother is a wonderfully fun lady who will provide years of fun for the late night talk shows while McCain serves eight years in the White House. Go Johnny, go!!!!
The trailer was shown in front of a PG movie this weekend. by silentbobfan	Feb 16th, 2008 09:57:53 AM
After the school shooting this week maybe they didn't want guns advertised to children. Crazy thought there.It's not going to harm the final product. This is an absurd non issue. It's not like ET debacle.
Hey cchhhrrriiisssm by Luscious.868	Feb 16th, 2008 10:00:14 AM
Barrack can keep every promise that he's made and cut taxes for the middle class ... but cutting out corporate loopholes and raising taxes on the rich ... hey ... if CEO's are going to make 250 times what the average worker makes, then they should be made to pay their fare share ...
My last word on this issue... by half vader	Feb 16th, 2008 10:01:44 AM
I wish I had magic pants. I'd sure show Agent Spanko (TM &©) what's inside! Sigh.
ccchhhrrriiisssm or should I say Rush Limbaugh... by Frank Black	Feb 16th, 2008 10:05:06 AM
You are way off topic so STFU and your wrong about Barack. I like John McCain but his time to become President passed when Bush slandered him in the 2000 election primaries. Turn off Fox news, back away from tv and computer, go outside and walk it off...
Guns? by Tomo	Feb 16th, 2008 10:26:05 AM
I thought you lot loved your guns? Children are made to shoot the flag every school day, arn't they?.....
Frank Black... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 10:26:32 AM
Ummm, I HATE Rush Limbaugh. Why do you leftist wing-nuts want to put your fingers in your ears about the truth in regard to Barack Hussein Obama! The man is UNFIT and INEXPERIENCED to take the role of Commander and Chief of the most powerful nation on Earth! He is just not the right man for this job. Let Barack Hussein Obama "prove himself" in Congress for a few years BEFORE he sets his sights on leading this nation. As is, he served less than 1 year in Congress before deciding to run for the office of Commander in Chief. Damn -- that is pompous! McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
Ccchhhrrriiisssm... by Tomo	Feb 16th, 2008 10:27:26 AM
I doubt he'll respond to the latest TB's as he's off to invade Poland, goose-stepping for all he's worth. Twat.
by Tomo	Feb 16th, 2008 10:28:37 AM
Why d'you keep mentioning his middle name, I wonder. You wouldn't if it was anything else.
That being said... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 10:28:37 AM
...I can't wait for Indiana Jone 4!
ccchhhrrriiisssm, winning the war on terror? by I Dunno	Feb 16th, 2008 10:29:42 AM
...by what, invading the wrong fucking nation and illegally spying on our own people? By creating infinitely more terrorists than we're killing (the CIA's assessment, not mine)? You want to talk experience? What about our current President, who ran a baseball team into the ground and could find oil in TEXAS. At this point, lack of political experience only means less corruption. Obama has other experience outside the senate. I'm not crazy about him either but the very last thing we need is more Republican bullshit. And I'm a registered Republican. Sorry to have contributed to this becoming a political thread but some bullshit you can't let slide
ccchhhrrriiisssm!!! by JimmyJoe RedSky	Feb 16th, 2008 10:48:42 AM
hey - mr. inverted penis is back!!!
I Dunno... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 10:50:32 AM
Hey bro... Before you go about spouting the same dipshit nonsense that you get from CNN and DNC talking points, you might want to read the book BUSH AT WAR by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Bob Woodward. In the book, Woodward explains the rationale for going to war while slaying the myths that are often covered by the media. While the book takes a rather harsh look at some members of the Bush Administration (particularly, Donald Rumsfeld), it shows that there was no "secret agenda" for going to war in Iraq. This war was the result of good faith. BTW, dipshit, if you want to discuss the demonization and vilification of the current president -- then why not perform a little research (do you know what that means, dipshit?). Bush is not stupid (as liberals love to repeat -- hoping that some other idiots will believe their shit-filled vilification). He graduated from too liberal Ivy League schools (including Yale, with a GPA higher than John Kerry's during the same time span). He is the first president who earned an MBA (...from Harvard Business School). He took a fledging MLB team in Texas, and turned it into a profitable venture -- even building a state of the art stadium in the process. So get your facts right, dipshit, okay? You can't believe everything you hear from Nancy Pelosi, CNN and MSNBC -- even if you desperately want to vilify the President and FoxNews. Get a life, libshit. Obama has experience -- representing Rezko the Syrian Slumlord in his Chicago-area slums. As a black American, I am deeply offended that this sorry excuse of a fluff-talker is being passed as the next great hope for America. Barack Hussein Obama is NOT good for the office of Commander and Chief. Sorry to have contributed to this becoming a political thread, but there was some liberal bullshit already attacking President Bush earlier, and I couldn't let it slide. McCain/Condi in 2008!!! A decorated warrior and a PhD (and former President of Stanford University) is a perfect team!
Damn...liberals only tolerate themselves... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 10:56:24 AM
...and those who will not speak against their extremely liberal social views or vilification of conservatives. Mark my words: Obama is BAD for America!
Does anyone know why the guns were removed? by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 16th, 2008 11:03:50 AM
I read an article that stated it was only done so that the trailer could be seen in PG rated films. Is this true?
Where's the update? by griffy651	Feb 16th, 2008 11:23:02 AM
Get to it!
I dunno: you really don't, do you? by SkinJob69	Feb 16th, 2008 11:28:29 AM

trailers don't kill people, people kill people by Rupee88	Feb 16th, 2008 11:38:02 AM
Anyway, this seems like a way overreaction to the change of one frame in a trailer...I guess it is just symbolic of other evils in the world, but it really isn't a big deal. This is probabgly going to be a sucky film and this isn't even the film..just the trailer.
I think the hamfisted American flag pisses me off more by tompiltoff	Feb 16th, 2008 11:44:17 AM
The guns were removed, I assume, under demand by the MPAA. OK. They didn't require the US flag to be awkwardly inserted. People ALWAYS notice that kind of shit. Spider-Man 3, anybody?
DONT SOIL MY INDIE!!! by Darkplanet	Feb 16th, 2008 12:15:36 PM
Honestly, I can live without the guns IN THE TRAILER as long as that doesn't trickle down to the movie itself. Ultimately that should be my choice and not some overzealous MPAA fucks decision. What really picked my ass with the trailer was the American flag. No I'm not anti-American but Indie is an international symbol. He belongs to a world full of 10-12 year old dreamers who saw him back in the day and worship him still. Raiders was an incredible movie going experience for me at 10 years old that I will never forget. It was raw, violent, fast, imaginative, inspirational and simply amazing. I hope the world is not robbed of that magic because some asshole thinks we can't handle anything anymore. I want to leave my mind at the door and be swept into the mythos that is Indiana Jones in all of its richness. Screw bureaucratic politics!
HD-DVD Dead....link inside. by Mindworm22	Feb 16th, 2008 12:16:14 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article /companyNewsAndPR/idUSL1627196 120080216
Goddammit, you asstards! by DocPazuzu	Feb 16th, 2008 12:24:46 PM
The flag wasn't fucking "inserted" into anything. Most likely it's flying over the military base THE MILITARY VEHICLES IN THE TRAILER ARE DRIVING AWAY FROM. What the fuck is wrong with some of you people?
Or... by DocPazuzu	Feb 16th, 2008 12:26:33 PM
...it's flying over the gate the military vehicles pass through on their way to the restricted area housing the warehouse. Christ...
Chhrrsmss-malakamaka ding dong by Brians Life	Feb 16th, 2008 12:32:20 PM
Man, this guy loves seeing his words on screen. Chr, you REALLY like throwing info in people's faces (no matter what conservative pundit you got your misinformation from) I actually agree that Barack Obama is very inexperienced. But he's as experiences for the job of President as a certain Texan that now hold's office. As a black man yourself, don't you believe that the president of the US simply NOT being a white rich man will do leaps to improve our international image? I'm not endorsing him...I just try and see every side of the coin As for you McCain/Condi Fantasy ticket...while not a conspiracy theorist, I DO hold Condi Rice responsible for the lack of action pre-9/11. She is NOT a competent person.
And then there are the times... by chaplinatemyshoe	Feb 16th, 2008 12:49:59 PM
...I'm reminded we're all a bunch of film geeks...
This is a better Indy teaser... by Pukenshette	Feb 16th, 2008 01:20:25 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qNU wcsOhvVoAINTI
Ah just shut up Mori by JimCurry	Feb 16th, 2008 01:23:49 PM
idiot.
There is only one answer to this puritanical movement by smackfu	Feb 16th, 2008 01:41:34 PM
Full scale civil war against Christians. Anyone....anyone? (crickets)
John Waters by bernard	Feb 16th, 2008 03:39:09 PM
hey hey MPAA, how many movies have you censored today? i think that's how it goes in John Waters' Cecil B. Demented... i wish we could get his comment on this, he is always witty and hilarious, especially when it comes to the the hollywood system. has anyone seen "This Filthy World"? ...it is must see viewing for any John Waters fan.
American children shouldn't have to see guns in the cinema... by Tourist	Feb 16th, 2008 03:45:48 PM
...George W decreed guns should only be thrust in the face of little ARAB kids.
I bet it is more than what we see. by Reverend Toast	Feb 16th, 2008 03:58:09 PM
I can't say too much about the CGIing out the Guns, but I am pretty sure the whole American Flag thing was forced in there because some people were afraid of too much Nazi references in the trailer... its dumb, and speaks a lot about america, but it was probably done for PR.
Sigh, ccchhhrrriiisssm by I Dunno	Feb 16th, 2008 04:13:26 PM
I've made much better people than you look like hopeless dumbasses regarding this issue. If you are still one of the pathetic losers still straggling on this issue then you are really not even worth the time. Not on a movie web site anyway.
So the CGI patch job didn't fool by kolley kibber	Feb 16th, 2008 05:11:20 PM
the denizens of AICN. Much more worrying is the characterisation of the women in this mish mash of a trailer. Spielberg doesn't often get it right with women and the Indiana Jones films have, to date, one great woman in the form of Marion Ravenwood in Raiders and two awful women in the form of Willy Scott in Temple of Doom and 'the blonde' from Crusade. Cate Blanchett seems far too similar to Alison Doody (aka 'the blonde from Crusade') in her 'turncoat bitch' phase at the end of the film and Marion Ravenwood seems to have been reduced from a spunky 'no holds barred, take no prisoners' character to that of 'Banana Republic clad soccer mom'. And while I'm having a gripe.... The appallingly unconvincing digital compositing of the two sparring trucks on the jungle clifftop is a worry for two reasons. 1) It looks like shit. Shittier than the cheap & cheerful optical compositing in the aerial sequence in Crusades which was forgivable on account of being pretty much state of the art in 1989 and having a freewheeling charm about it. 2) Just because you can, chaps, doesn't mean you should. Compare for a moment with the truck sequence from Raiders. No tricks other than the glass matte painting when one of the Nazi jeeps gets shunted off of an impossibly high cliff. The sequence is absurd at times (scaffolding and palm trees magically appear along the otherwise barren desert route just as they serve the purpose of brushing Nazis off the side of the truck) and it's never particularly disguised that it's Vic Armstrong, not Harrison Ford, who is dragged along the deck at the end of a bullwhip (in a shot that despite contemporary claims otherwise is clearly undercranked to 'up' the apparent speed at which the truck is travelling). Non the less, an exiting ride and one which has the stamp of authenticity, despite certain sleigh of hand, because the eye appreciates that what it is seeing is in some way or another 'real'. 28yrs later Georges obsession with CGI has led to a completely phoney looking sequence where the perceived benefit is that it's really the actors who can be clearly seen in a perilous situation. Except that the transparent technology used to achieve this completely undermines the sense of tension. If one scrutinizes the rail cart sequence from Temple of Doom it's more than obvious that the close-up shots are of the actors and anything wider than a mid shot is a puppeteered go-motion miniature. But even the fucking puppets are exciting. They're real. The model set is real. It's executed with enough technical skill to render the disparity in scale all but invisible. SEEING THAT IT'S YOUR EXPENSIVE CAST MEMBERS HAMMING IT UP IN MID SHOTS ON A SOUND STAGE DOES NOT MAKE FOR A BETTER SEQUENCE. It's not the 1950s and this isn't The African Queen. We moved on to a point where it WAS feasible to take a camera on location and move it at high speed and that is what we were given 20 yrs ago. Replete with stuntmen risking life & limb in wide shots or angles designed to hide their face. After all, I'm happy in the knowledge that the shot of Indy running along a row of crates and taking a swinging leap towards a jeep in a warehouse ISN'T Harrison Ford but by the magic of editing the cut to the reverse angle of the actor making the safer portion of the stunt satisfies my mind that it was him. We don't want to be offered 'the impossible' if the cost is verisimilitude. ...and....breathes.....
Wow you got all that from a 2 minute trailer? by skywalkerfamily	Feb 16th, 2008 05:15:38 PM
Overreact much?
Isn't the shot cleaner without the guns? by Dreamfasting	Feb 16th, 2008 05:16:22 PM
My first reaction to the two pictures in the article was "the one without the guns is better, cleaner". That's a shot where you want Indy and friend to be the focus of our eyes. In the international version, the guns cover the foreground ... they distract the eye. (on the other hand, that wouldn't explain removing the gun in the background)
Indiana Jones and the Visible Grip Equipment... by Blood Simple	Feb 16th, 2008 05:22:37 PM
Pause at around 1:07 - 1:08 in the trailer to get a nice eye-full of grip equipment on the right side of the frame (hard to miss). Looks like we have a nice grouping of C stands and flags. Why was this allowed to stay in the trailer? Weird.
In Raiders I always wondered why there were by skywalkerfamily	Feb 16th, 2008 05:33:43 PM
palm trees in the desert.
Liberals are to blame by Rand92	Feb 16th, 2008 05:41:51 PM
It is typical liberal thinking that everyone has to be protected against seeing something offensive. They are the ones who think it is their place to tell us what it good for us and then control how and where we get it. This started years ago during the Clinton Administration with music and video game censorship. They thought that every piece of violence that happened in the world was the fault of tv or music. There was never any personal accountability for ones actions. No one was bad or evil, it was always the fault of something else. The MPAA problem is finally something that cannot be blamed on Bush though no doubt someone will try.
Aren't Republicans the conservative by skywalkerfamily	Feb 16th, 2008 05:57:26 PM
ones who like sex in airport bathrooms? Who have aging, rich white guys for Presidential Candidates?
by Rand92	Feb 16th, 2008 06:00:33 PM
heh, not saying the repubs are saints, just that the MPAA shit started with Liberals.
Yeah, Rand92 movie by comedian_x	Feb 16th, 2008 06:12:04 PM
censorship started with "the liberals." Have you ever heard of the Hayes code? William Hayes must have the biggest liberal of them all then. Right?
RE: Blood Simple by griffy651	Feb 16th, 2008 06:34:24 PM
Not only did I notice that, but in the shot towards the end where Indy swings on the chain, kicking the guy through the window, it's clear he's not actually holding onto the chain, and you can see light reflecting off the guide wires they are actually suspended from. I'm assuming these are simply trailer problems and will be edited/painted out for the final cut.
RE: Rand92 by griffy651	Feb 16th, 2008 06:38:07 PM
Right, it's only liberals that are doing this kind of thing. That's why FoxNews had notorious anti-videogame activist and idiot Jack Thompson on as a "school shooting expert" the day of the NIU shooting, blaming "Half Life Counter Strike" (wtf?) on the shooters actions. Because as we all know, FoxNews is a liberal news station, right? It's not a political problem, but an ignorance problem you tool. Once all these old people die and people that actually grew up with videogames are in political office, they will stop being blamed for societies problems. Same thing that happened with movies and rock n' roll, which were both heavily criticized when they debuted.
The ratings crap started with Birth of a Nation by skywalkerfamily	Feb 16th, 2008 07:24:38 PM
One of the shittiest movies you'll ever see.
griffy651 by Blood Simple	Feb 16th, 2008 07:26:53 PM
Good call, missed that last one. I'm sure these will be fixed in the final film, like you said. Just weird in this HD frame-by-frame age that they would leave that stuff in. Kinda sloppy?
The flag by JackieJokeman	Feb 16th, 2008 07:45:08 PM
Military forces chasing our hero. We assume they must be Nazis or some other evil group when, oops, theres the American flag. The evil guys chasing Indy are ours. So calm down you raving lefties.
RE: Blood Simple by griffy651	Feb 16th, 2008 07:45:46 PM
Yeah, it seems they really underestimated us fanatics :P.
Was the flag added to the US version... by zacdilone	Feb 16th, 2008 07:52:04 PM
...or removed from the international one?
Nobody wanted to see Winstone's junk after "Sexy Beast" by MrMysteryGuest	Feb 16th, 2008 08:36:57 PM

The US soldiers AREN'T.... by Mistahtibbs	Feb 16th, 2008 08:43:36 PM
Seriously, I had concerns about US personnel being the new Nazis in this movie but I think what is going on is one of two things. Indy gets pulled from the trunk of a car he's hiding in and surrounded by soldiers. Because he's trying to infiltrate Area 51 or whatever the place is. That's understandable. He's being treated as a spy. But, I think it's more than that. The big fella that backhands Indy, I believe, is the same big fella a moment or two later in the Russkie© uniform that Indy's beating the bejeezus out of. So, I'm thinking those aren't GI Joes but in-disguse GI Joe Stalins...haha.....sorry Regarding the trailer. Settle the hell down people. Jumping Obama Christ on a pogo stick. It's a freaking trailer. Please, for the love of all that's holy, get out and get some fresh air. And maybe laid. That'd help too. Yeah. Now to find my wife. MT
This TB stopped suddenly, by Stevie Grant	Feb 16th, 2008 11:05:46 PM
I was just ready to start trolling...
That explained why the dude raised his hands by skywalkerfamily	Feb 16th, 2008 11:46:34 PM
When there's no guns pointing at him. Also, why isn't that Sallah?
No Sallah ... by Custom_personality	Feb 17th, 2008 03:12:43 AM
... cause he's too Arabic for Americans ... that's why the American flag was put in as well, just in case the first 10 seconds of the trailer was too foreign.
This happens ALL. THE. TIME. by halsolo	Feb 17th, 2008 05:03:11 AM
Have worked in trailers, and had to replace, comp out, add temp vfx, the works, to anything offensive. Gets so bad sometimes before the MPAA even gets hands on it had to jump the gun for shots that probably should take weeks to do proper, in a matter of hours, if lucky a few days. This is nothing new, its the usual MPAA, and the studios terrified they won't make the release date and just getting what needs doing ready in time. Pain, but that's why more Red Band trailers are a great thing (like Pineapple Express for example) - it is what it is. Besides, kinda fun to get the riduclous requests and pull it off with some smoke and mirrors.
Holy shit, ccchhhrrriiisssm by I Dunno	Feb 17th, 2008 06:14:37 AM
You forgot to call me a "libtard". You also missed "LIEbral". Do you really want to argue about Bush's corporate successes by citing his building of a stadium? Get his cock out of your mouth long enough to look up Arbusto, Spectrum 7 Energy Corp and Harken Energy. But who gives a shit about his past? Oh, then you mention Woodward's book, Bush at War. You forgot the one he wrote after that, Plan of Attack, where he basically said that Bush intended to go to invade Iraq back in 2002 and didn't give a shit whether they had WMDs or not. You, like your hero, seem to cherry pick whatever sliver of information supports your bullshit. You may proceed with the puerile namecalling now
Guns Or No Guns by christophermoltosante	Feb 17th, 2008 08:44:04 AM
i enjoyed the trailer and im really looking forward to this film.
I'm Not seeing it... by winman43	Feb 17th, 2008 10:34:22 AM
Been reading this thread with interest, but the trailer I've viewed online has the guns in it. I also manager a theatre, and all our trailers have the guns as well. Where is this 'Edited' trailer showing?
American Presidents by IndiAbbey Jones	Feb 17th, 2008 10:34:25 AM
All the soliders in the trailer are named after American Presidents. They are Russians in disguise.
Indiana Jones Music Video by CaptainWhacky	Feb 17th, 2008 01:22:22 PM
For anyone interested, there is a really funny parody of the Counting Crows song "Mr. Jones" about Indiana Jones up on youtube now. The link is... http://youtube.com/watch?v=ECG F3Q3x0f4
Above Music Video by CaptainWhacky	Feb 17th, 2008 02:06:12 PM
There was a space put in the music video link so it doesn't work. So either take out the space or here is the correct one.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=ECG F3Q3x0f4 I also forgot to mention in the last post how badass I thought this trailer was. Can't wait for this movie.
NEW RULE: Cate Blanchett Is A FINE Piece Of Ass! by Bill Maher	Feb 17th, 2008 02:37:55 PM
She can dress like a commie and collectivise me anytime. I'd love to hear her say "Pushkin" as I liquidate her Trotsky!
Jock was probably 25 in 1935 by skywalkerfamily	Feb 17th, 2008 03:18:09 PM
He'd be in his forties in this new movie.
Haha, those comparison pics are mine! by matrixagent111	Feb 17th, 2008 09:51:47 PM
http://imdb.com/title/tt036788 2/board/thread/97710843?d=9771 0843#97710%20%20843 I whipped them up in Photoshop and put them on IMDb 3 days ago. They must have spread to CHUD from there. And now they're all over the Internet! I feel slightly famous kind of.
Another Raiders? by Kaitain	Feb 18th, 2008 12:17:11 AM
"I hope I am wrong in my assesment and the movie kicks ass but so far I havent seen anything that indicates we have another RAIDERS." Well, yeah, let's face it, if the movie is any good, it'll be the first good Indy flick for 27 years.
Node, by Lost Jarv	Feb 18th, 2008 03:01:00 AM
Let me get this straight, I pointed out, politely that this had already been covered, twice. But you in your all consuming arrogance misguidedly believe that your precious insight is more important than reading the TB to see what had been covered. I didn't say I didn't like the documentary, I just re-iterated what someone else wrote. I actually liked the first 3rd of it, but when he developed an obsession with naming the MPAA at the cost of further insight I lost interest. My other likes and dislikes are well documented, but I thank you for putting me straight and giving meaning to my otherwise pointless existance. You, sir, are a cunt.
MPAA IS FORCING US TO USE VIOLENCE ! by stamper	Feb 18th, 2008 07:50:39 AM
INSTEAD OF CALMING US, THESE KIND OF ACTIONS RENDER US VIOLENT AND NEXT SOME LOON WILL TAKE A GUN AND KILL ALL THE MPAA FASCISTS (AND THEN THINGS WILL BE EVEN WORSE) JUST BECAUSE YOU MESSED WITH INDY FUCKERS !
Why Did They Have to Change the Trailer? (And other stuff . . .) by ETS	Feb 20th, 2008 07:41:50 AM
Thank you for the constant updates, as all these changes are news to me. When I had watched the Indiana Jones trailer for the first time, I thought I was seeing the final product, and I was a bit worried because it did seem fake in some places, and maybe a little bit overdone. Even though I wasn't able to catch what exactly was wrong with it, at least there are others who did, and they were able to share what they found. I'm still excited to see the hero with the fedora and whip come back, but the older side of me is worried and cautious about it. These pictures reveal more sinister actions at work, and I agree that it's the MPAA's doing. Censorship sometimes seems so bad here in the U.S. Things were fine as is, the trailer wasn't hurting anyone by having guns, and taking them out just seems to cheapen the value that it had. Even though this is probably only being done for the trailer, I still fear the possibility that they might do something like carry this on to the actual final product, or if not that, then the DVD (Reminds me of the Han Solo shooting first issue in Star Wars). I realized, considering how this information came through a forum, and then posted to a blog, that the internet has really become THE tool for finding the latest information when it comes to stuff like movies and entertainment. And the fact is, it's a tool that everyone can have a part in. I imagine that, as you do use it as a means to find some information for your posts, you are in support of this. But I was just wondering, what are your thoughts on the fact that anyone can now report on the latest happenings in the industry, especially since you are a writer and editor of the site? Do you think this is going to replace things like magazines as the source for the latest info, despite the fact that not all the sources will be the most reliable on the internet? Thanks for the updates, I'll be checking back again to find out the latest on what's happening with Indiana Jones.

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