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The Empty Hands Of Navarone

The Last Non-Action Hero

No War. Just Peace.

I saw "This Film is not yet rated" the other day, and I'll take a fucking huge bet that the vast majority of oxygen thieves that shouldn't be passing judgement that posed as censors in that film are still in place.

Also why use the music from Children of Dune for the intro? Why not 'Well of the Souls'???

But once the Raiders march begins and the actual footage starts, i think the trailer works well from that point: at least it hits all the marks in a workmanlike way. It isn't a classic trailer, to be sure, but I've seen too many great trailers for films that fell short so I'm happy enough with what's been shown, i.e. it feels of a piece with the trilogy.

Surely that's worse? If you kept the guns in, then at least the weirdos who would boycott a film with guns in would be able to make a choice.

Doing this just tricks them

Seriously fucked up.

Jarv, I reckon the makers of "this film" should probably do a "7-up" and revisit it every few years to update the indefensible shenanigans.

The best we can realistically hope for is that it isn't as light and as jokey as LAST CRUSADE.

Creepy is right though, there is a good film to be made about it, but This Film is not it. He had too much of a boner (pun intended) for sex being over-censored, and the second half of it was some weird stalking exercise.

It's ludicrous.

But we wouldn't edit out guns from a trailer. That's just silly. At least I hope not.

WRONG. TOO LATE. Gun violence in movies does not cause gun violence. Let's not hide it, let's not make ourselves afraid of it by obscuring the truth, like the Bush administration has done with every social and geopolitical issue our country has faced in the last 8 years. Education and confronting the TRUTH solves problems. Lucasfilm is a pussy sell-out (we already knew that) for allowing the armies of PC and social regression to dictate how he presents his "art." GL calls himself a filmmaker of the '70s?!? What a fucking joke...

How fucking pathetic and loathesome is that?

The trailer was censored because it showed the Armed Forces in a negative light-i.e. government strongmen pursuing our heroes.

So, since us Americans must never develop the idea that war and the militarization of our society might be possibly not-so-great...it gets censored. Plastered w/ giant flag too. U-S-A! U-S-A!!!

What a said, scary empire this country has become.

FREEDOM FRIES!!!!!!

It wasn't that insightful- he got overly hung up on the sex, especially homosexual sex, and then the second half of it was pretty much an exercise in stalking.

get with the frakking programme already.

America is the stupidest country on Earth.

sometimes, you know, just sometimes, i can understand why people hate americans. you are waaaaaayy waaaaaaaaayyyy too pampered.

the guy wrote one mediocre screenplay after another and he kept getting hired by spielberg. and THAT, more than anything make me worry about the film.

its a retarded non-issue to whine "ZOMG THEY CGIED A US FLAG IN FOR NOE REASONZ!" Maybe you guys should telephone Harlan Ellison and get him to rant all over this non-controversy.

This is the first shot of Harrison Ford's face in the trailer. They want your attention focused on HIM.

They show guns BEFORE this shot, they show a new CGI gun behind him IN the shot, and they show guns AFTER this shot, and guns being fired. They even show soldiers being caught in an explosion.

So, again, I don't think it's because the guns in the original shot are "offensive." This sequence probably comes a little later after Indiana Jones is reintroduced in the film, so it wasn't until later that Lucas and/or Spielberg decided it could be tweaked exclusively for the teaser. It's all about focusing your attention on HARRISON FORD AS INDIANA JONES. Until I read a statement from the MPAA or Spielberg saying that guns were indeed removed for "moral" reasons, I ain't gonna buy all this juvenile fanboy-whining.

This has nothing to do with censorship, or the lack of "free-thinking Americans." This is a nearly invisible change to an advertisement for what is, at end, a piece of fluff entertainment (although perhaps one that many hold dear). There are real problems and real controversies out there whose implications actually affect peoples' lives. Turn your ire and energies towards them. Although the eagle eyes and sleuthing demonstrated here are worthy of praise, focusing any more than interested curiosity on this is asinine.

Still, kudos on catchign that.

You will note that not one of my blockbuster novels written in the previous five years had any pictures of people holding guns on the cover.

Sorry I've just been informed that I have actually NOT written any blockbuster novels in the past five years, and possibly the past fifty. This alone makes me a cranky old geezer. All you young union writers need to GET OFF MY LAWN DAB NABBIT! Gene actually insisted that Kirk use the words 'dab nabbit' and I told Desi - stop being a stupid moron and tell your drunk wife to s top climbing my fence and running around my back yard in her underpants asking for a cigarette.'

Please distribute this to anywhere you want - I can't get a publisher to distribute ANYTHING I wrote for the past 15 years, so maybe this will help make me relevant again.

Lastly, DAMN YOU L RON HUBBARD!

On a deeper level, what people are engaging in on this board is a lot of very unreflective thinking along the lines of: "Censorship is always really bad. Removal of guns from a trailer for a movie might be censorship. Ergo, there is something really bad about this trailer!", which is nonsense. It's commercial advertising, and even setting aside the fact that the people who put this together make all sorts of selections of material and composition choices in order to appeal to the consumers they are targeting (which might mean eliminating a US flag in overseas ads, for example), even if this were censorship of the most egregious kind, so what? This is an advertisement whose sole purpose is to get you to buy a ticket to see this movie.

You can't simply call something art, call some manipulation of that art censorship, and thereby elevate the incident to some level of extreme importance when the underlying effect on anything real is negligible.

And then of course, if you are acting rationally, you discount the potential future consequential ill by the likelihood that it will never be realized and *then* you compare it with all the bad shit that is *actually happening* in the world, and make some sort of decision about which problem to turn your attention to. If you really think that this movie-trailer cgi gun issue is worth your attention and effort, and all the hyperbolic stuff getting spouted around here, then I'd say your judgment is rather questionable.

Oh save us Industrial Lights Thats Magic! Save us from our potential for evil with your Magical Lights - thats INDUSTRIAL!

Do I get bonus points for using both Dwide?

1) Why even bother showing them when they surround Indiana Jones in that overhead shot in the trailer?

2) Why do they digitally INSERT a gun into the hands of a soldier in the background, after taking them out of the foreground?

3) Why do they actually show guns being USED only second later in the trailer (in the warehouse)?

4) If the guns make everyone so nervous, why do they include a shot of soldiers almost being blown to bits, after being caught in an explosion?

Again, if the GUNS were so offensive, why is the rest of the trailer FILLED with them and other violent scenes? Lucas is now notorious for digitally "tweaking" scenes in his movies... the international trailer probably went out first, and they decided that the American version needed to be "punched-up" a little bit, since Harrison Ford/Indiana Jones are now American icons.

I really don't see any sort of conspiracy here. I think they just wanted your full attention of the first new image of Indiana Jones, and NOT on the guns shoved in his face. Sorry, folks. That's how I read this.