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First! by TheBloop	Feb 13th, 2008 08:20:11 AM
How many fucking X-titles are there total?
"which you can see my review of here" where? WHERE?!? by chrth	Feb 13th, 2008 08:34:15 AM

There, cthrth. by Ambush Bug	Feb 13th, 2008 08:38:59 AM
Fixed.
"Zombie neo-natal nurses feasting on newborn infants"?! by stones_throw	Feb 13th, 2008 08:39:49 AM
I'm there! CRAWLSPACE is great!
Phew! What a relief! by chrth	Feb 13th, 2008 08:48:06 AM

Wow, that's an old review! Pre-@ssholes! by chrth	Feb 13th, 2008 08:48:53 AM
The mind boggles
ADAM WEST should have voiced Batman by Demode	Feb 13th, 2008 09:24:23 AM
I think they should have used Adam for this one. Would have been cool to gear him voice for a more serious Batman, that took place in the 60s. He has a great voice. Someday, I really hope we hear the voices of Dean Cain, Adam West, John Wesley Shipp and Linda Carter in an animated movie.
Those Xenescope books are butt. by Donanonymous	Feb 13th, 2008 09:24:30 AM
pun intended?
Once again, the Green Lantern Corps gets the shaft... by Abin Sur	Feb 13th, 2008 09:25:34 AM
He's had to deal with the whole Jack Black rumor fiasco, a cancelled Justice League movie, Mr. Greg "Brothers & Sisters & Dudes Kissing all the time" Berlanti is given the reins to bring Hal Jordan to the silver screen (WTF??), and NOW, a pacifist GL and a crummy passing of the ring from ME. GL is quickly becoming the Rodney Dangerfield of superheroes.
Sorry by Donanonymous	Feb 13th, 2008 09:25:57 AM
Zenescope
Sleazy, the Manics are a pretty big deal over here by stones_throw	Feb 13th, 2008 09:27:20 AM
Ellis and (I think) the guys who did PHONOGRAM are both British so maybe that's it. If you were the right age at the right time I suppose they were pretty much THE band (I'm not that bothered, m'self). I mean, the NEW MUSICAL EXPRESS just had a big memorial issue last week because it was the anniversary of Richey's disappearance or something.
Gerber - R.I.P. by grendelson138	Feb 13th, 2008 09:28:56 AM
Sorry to hear about Gerber. Great writer who will be missed.
Ennis is a homophobe. by Dingbatty	Feb 13th, 2008 09:37:29 AM
"The Boys" constantly reaffirms this.
"I Found the Sexy!" by symon	Feb 13th, 2008 09:58:57 AM
That is classic Machine Man right there...
And here I thought BND was supposed to fix Spidey!!! by Deflator	Feb 13th, 2008 10:19:50 AM
I have to say I agree 100% with Stone on last issue of ASM.I hated OMD and everything it represented but thought I would give BND a shot cause of my love of Spidey.From the first to this last issue this has been the biggest piece of shit ever.The last issue really killing it for me.What I find interesting is that I havent seen anyone make a comment on the Jackpot character.She walks,talks and acts like a certain redhead but no one has said a thing other than love interest.This to me is possibly the biggest piece of crap to come from this. I hate to say this but Spidey is gone from my pull box for the foreseeable future!!
I've given up on The Boys by sean bean	Feb 13th, 2008 10:36:26 AM
For exactly the reason given in the review: no heart. Preacher and Hitman had interesting, conflicted characters and strong friendships at the heart of their stories, but The Boys is just too cynical and one-dimensional. With the gore and sick humour, it just feels like Ennis-by-numbers. Same goes for Wormwood. Midnighter and Kev were a good deal better, but not essential. However, his run on Punisher Max was fucking superb and possibly the best thing he's ever done.
Clan Destine by I am the most horrible	Feb 13th, 2008 10:55:31 AM
Clan destine was one of my favorite comics Marvel has put out in decades. (The last few issues sucked, sure, but the upshot is that THEY were forgettable.) In my mind the Clan raised the property value of the Marvel Universe and had vast potential for coolitude. I have been hoping for a return of this weird ass family for a long time. Thanks for the heads up. PS I always wanted to see Argent and Colossus hook up. Imagine the sex! PPS What's wrong with me?
Abin Sur by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 11:13:07 AM
Don't worry predecessor. I will make Green Lantern one day, and it will be the greatest day of all. Until the day I make Sinestro Corps War. IN BLACKEST DAY!!!!!!!! by the way Greg Berlanti being Gay doesn't bother me, Greg Berlanti being Gay and showrunning a pansy show like Brothers and Sisters and making a pansy movie like The broken hearts club then given the reigns to DC's most potential franchise and manliest character and all the while saying "anyone can be a green lantern, anyone can wear the ring" when every GL fans know that is not true and that you are chosen by your ability to overcome fear. What a Cunt.
Second-tier DC Characters outshine the first tier heroes... by expert_40	Feb 13th, 2008 11:13:38 AM
... I said it last week, and I'll say it again. Some of my favorite books from the last 10 years at DC have been the secondary characters with their own books. Most of them being members of the Bat Family, true, but I loved the Young Justice series and the revamped Teen Titans (which is no more). Here's my idea... DC needs to open up a new line of comics which would compete with the Ultimate line, but instead of being same characters, different universe, they need to keep it in the current DC universe but 10 or 15 years in the future. Because you know how comics never really age, right? Batman has been what, 30 to 35 for 60 years? I think it would be awesome if we see a retired, possibly injured/paralyzed Bruce Wayne acting as the Oracle for the DCU. We see a married Dick and Barbara living in Wayne Manor, with Dick as Batman and Tim Drake as either a grown-up Robin or the new Nightwing. Then we could have Superman's kid with Lois as Superwoman's (Supergirl) sidekick, but because he's half-human, he doesn't have all the powers, like maybe he only has speed and flight, but not strength and invulnerbility, making him, well, better to write for than his invulnerable dad. We'd have the grown up West kids running around. We have Cassie as Wonder Woman, Daughter of Zeus, and maybe we'll see that her and Tim Drake hooked up. And I'm sure we'd have some new gay Superhero with AIDS from whatever book they throw Winnick's way. He'd probably make that kid Terry the new Green Lantern who's in love with a male alien and gets alien AIDS from him or something. But yeah, I think a new set of books set 10 to 15 years in the future would be awesome. This way not only would the sidekicks step up, but you'd have brand new characters as sidekicks. Lot's of possibilities open up.
Ennis is a God by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 11:13:44 AM
The Punisher constantly reaffirms this.
expert_40 by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 11:15:10 AM
Have you not heard the rumours of Final Crisis? All the main heroes die, and the younger heroes ascend to their position. Whilst on another universe the iconic heroes(supes, bats, WW, Hal) all have iconic comics that are timeless. Everyone wins.
New Frontier by Felix_Happer	Feb 13th, 2008 11:15:34 AM
I was sorry to hear that the Born Losers appearence was not included in the DVD. It was a part of the DC Uni that I was totally unfamiliar with and thought it a cool framing piece for what was to follow.
So you're saying New Frontier is better by MangoKid	Feb 13th, 2008 11:25:30 AM
Than the critically acclaimed Dragonlance movie from last month.
Messi by Abin Sur	Feb 13th, 2008 11:36:46 AM

Messi by Abin Sur	Feb 13th, 2008 11:38:59 AM
Yeah, the gay thing's not the issue, but GL is not a mincing character - he and Batman are the only heroes of note that have attuned themselves to reach heroic potential (Bats of course being more physical, with Hal through force of will). And I want Hal with Carol, dammit! Not Pieface!
messi... by expert_40	Feb 13th, 2008 11:39:57 AM
... I thought only two or three of the main heroes were going to die... possibly Batman. I've also heard Power Girl is a goner. I didn't know that ALL the heroes were goners. That would be interesting.
the high point for Ennis by Laserhead	Feb 13th, 2008 11:43:55 AM
has been Punisher MAX, in my opinion. The more I think about it, the more its strengths as a piece of writing-- its use of voice, its milking of suspense and tension, its twists and reversals, its (expendable) supporting cast, its overall, sustained tone and mood --increase and make Preacher and Hitman and The Boys seem far more shallow, sentimental, and adolescent. I know a maniacal veteran stalking the inner city with a big gun doesn't exactly scream 'mature adult realism', but the series basically became an anthology of really powerful crime stories, with the Punisher as the gateway into the crime story. I've read him for as long as he's been writing, but it seems like, in the Punisher MAX series, Ennis really grew the most as a writer, came into his own in an unexpected way.
BND (semispoilerish for next issue) by evolution1085	Feb 13th, 2008 11:47:29 AM
in the latest issue of BND, Jackpot gives her name as something not Mary Jane (I got the issue at home, I'm blanking on her name), even though Peter repeatedly asks her if her name is Mary Jane. My first though was that it was that forensic tech that they seemed to want to shoehorn Peter into being with, but that name didn't josh either. So now I think all she is is a device by editorial to flip off the fanbase "hey, remember mary jane, she's like her, but go fuck yourselves for wanting the real thing"
MANIC STREET PREACHERS?? by hst666	Feb 13th, 2008 12:16:41 PM
I really like the music I have heard from the Preachers, although I have not heard a lot since Generation Terrorists. The few songs I have heard I have greatly enjoyed. The fact is most of their work has not been issued in the states. Wow,I have always thought that Warren Ellis was a bit over-rated. A lot of his stuff reads like Grant Morrison's wackiness without the humanity of Morrison's characters. But if he spent an issue referencing the Preachers, I may have to check this out.
Steve Gerber by Buzz Maverik	Feb 13th, 2008 12:42:51 PM
A groundbreaker. A rebel within the system. So truly subversive that mainstream Marvel let him do his thing because they never knew what he was doing.
I have a GIANT SIZED MAN THING too.. by Baron Karza	Feb 13th, 2008 12:44:28 PM
Nice title..
On Cyclops as Badass... by Laserhead	Feb 13th, 2008 12:46:17 PM
One of my all-time favorite X-Men issues was a double-sized illustrated by Paul Smith, where Mastermind made everyone think Dark Phoenix had returned, and that she was Cyclops. Cyclops took down all the X-Men on his own, and pretty handily too. Never seemed right to me that Storm was able to out-fight him for leadership.
Surprisingly, THE BOYS does have heart. by SleazyG.	Feb 13th, 2008 12:55:54 PM
I have to be honest, forcing the sweet little churchgirl into a gangbang kinda sickened me, and I almost walked on the book. But it's now clear that she and Wee Hughie are the only human characters in the book, the only ones who are bothered by what they're doing and questioning things. They spend more time together in #14, and it's quite clear that's where the book is headed: the two of them fighting their respective groups from the inside because it's the only right thing to do. On a related note, it was clear to me within the first 30 pages or so of this series that Butcher is The Bad Guy, and Hughie's going to have to take him out. Butcher thinks he's better than those he hunts, but he's as bad or worse. Knowing Ennis' strong moral code, that means Butcher's a fucking dead man. I do agree, though, that if Ennis is gonna keep having gay characters in his books it's long past time to have some that are at the very least normal, if not good. One starts to wonder after a while when they're all mincing twinks, drag queens and pervos. It's definitely starting to concern me.
I know the Manics are big over there, don't get me wrong. by SleazyG.	Feb 13th, 2008 12:58:27 PM
I'm just not sure, y'know, WHY. That's what I'm trying to get a handle on: what made them so huge, so transcendent, that they still matter to people over a dozen years after Richey painted himself out of the picture?
re: Surprisingly, THE BOYS does have heart. by barking_frog	Feb 13th, 2008 01:20:16 PM
"They spend more time together in #14..." And #15 pounds it home, though I didn't read #15 in time to include it in this review. "Knowing Ennis' strong moral code, that means Butcher's a fucking dead man." I don't think that's necessarily certain. Cassidy (PREACHER) was more (and more literally) a predator than Billy Butcher is, and Ennis gave Cassidy his happy ending.
JSA - Crowded, Indeed by Vigothcarpathian	Feb 13th, 2008 01:52:20 PM
I totally agree w/ your JSA review. While I still love the series, I also love Sandman, who gave definitely been given the shaft to make room for "Square-hat and Roosevelt-Man"
The difference between Cassidy and Butcher: by SleazyG.	Feb 13th, 2008 01:54:05 PM
Cassidy was, deep down, a decent guy--he was just a spineless, self-serving weasel. He was also fairly charming--a sad sack you want to like. Butcher is none of those things. Butcher is the guy who seems charming the whole time he's figuring out how best to make you shit your pants right before he guts you in front of your friends. Dead man walkin', I tells ya!
Actuallly, while I do really like MSP, they would not make my to by hst666	Feb 13th, 2008 02:13:48 PM
I like them, but no, they are no more transcendant than U2 are. However, I never meet anybody into the Preachers, so to have them be the topic of a discussion in a comic book piques my interest. This happens whenever a more obscure interest of mine makes it way is referenced. Like how I used to feel when I would see a Bill Hicks reference (not today) or when Love and Rockets had an arc called Wig Wam Bam (an old Sweet Song).
They would not make it to my top 20 list. by hst666	Feb 13th, 2008 02:14:21 PM

Bring Back Batman DoIT NOW! Beyond!! by DOGSOUP	Feb 13th, 2008 03:09:57 PM
Fuck it Imma gonna beat this dead horse until it's a decomposing horse smoothie. We should get a series that picks up where the JL:U episode left off. DO IT!Do IT NOW!
Jackpot is Obviously Mary Jane who Obviously Asked Mephisto to M by BilboRing	Feb 13th, 2008 03:18:40 PM
I'm going to give this a few more weeks to win me over. After that, I am done with Spidey. Which is very sad. I dropped it during the Clone Saga and picked it up again during Civil War, which grabbed my interest. Everyone talked about how good JMS was on Spidey. So I got a bunch of back issues all the way to Spidey dying and coming back with some new abilities. That was lame, the totem was lame too. Norman Osborn fucking Gwen was an abomination. OMD was really insulting and BND is not doing it for me yet. What happened to Spder-Man? My favorite times reading it was in the 80s and early 90s. Favorites include "Where is Spider-Man," "Gang War," Hobgoblin, Sinister Six. What happened to stuff like that?
What Happened to My Subject? by BilboRing	Feb 13th, 2008 03:22:07 PM
Too long I guess. Well I meant to say the MJ asked Maphisto to make her a super hero if she agreed to make a deal with the devil. She probably thought it would help her find Peter and have them live a similar life together once they fell in love again.
Minor Correction, @ssholes: by buster00	Feb 13th, 2008 03:42:50 PM
"Thundarr the Barbarian" wasn't a Hanna-Barbera production. It was Ruby-Spears.
i want to thank whedeon... by blackthought	Feb 13th, 2008 04:11:48 PM
for rolling the that ball forward on giving cyclops the respect the character deserves. my favorite x-man, possibly marvel character doing things the way he should...i'm more than happy. r.i.p. gerber, you will be missed. anyone know if there will be a follow up to dark age? cuz faust is messing with the wrong man. go black adam go!
by x_dereks_x	Feb 13th, 2008 04:12:23 PM
Is it only me, who thinks, that Hughie looks pretty much like Simon Pegg from Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead?
Ennis' Punisher = Masterpiece by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 04:22:19 PM
Particularly The Slavers. I would rate that as the greatest Crime Story i've ever read. No Country for Old Men and even Goodfellas can't top 'The Slavers'. What a powerful moving story. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Punisher in how he handled those cunts lives in a fantasy world where all humanity can be redeemed.
Whedon's Cyclops OWNS!!! by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 04:25:00 PM
That issue where Emma Frost delves into his mind and Cyek confronts the demons he never could and then can control his optic blasts and then has a handgun and shoots the imaginary villains. BADASS
Abin Sur by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 04:32:32 PM
ohh wise and brilliant Lantern. It's not an issue of whether Berlanti is gay, but if you read interviews he lets it get in the way of things he does like his shows Everwood and Brothers and Sisters, unlike Singer which didn't make a difference to how awesome X-men 2 came out. I just don't like the idea of this guy who tries to add as much gay as possible into everything he does taking on DC's Manliest character. Hal Jordan is a hero but he likes his beer and he thinks with his dick.
Ennis's "The Slavers" arc made me wonder... by blindambition238	Feb 13th, 2008 04:33:42 PM
How much research or experience does the guy have with all these things. The guy seems to have a disturbing amount of insight into society's underbelly and despite the amazing amount of carnage in all his stories, gives a pretty credible atmosphere to the proceedings which makes things all the more bleak.
blindambition238 by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 04:42:15 PM
I thought the same thing. The Shit is so fucking deep and realistic, the stuff The Punisher says about how Crims work to anatomy to the way a Sex Slave ring operates is incredible, where the fuck does he get this info.
re:BilboRing by Deflator	Feb 13th, 2008 04:46:40 PM
My thought exactly.Just find it funny how with the interview with Quasada and with recent reviews it seem to never be talked about.Web shooters back,Harry back all talked about but MJ a freakin superhero nada.....
Of course Hughie looks like Simon Pegg. by SleazyG.	Feb 13th, 2008 04:58:50 PM
That's who Ennis wanted Robertson to draw him to look like.
the thing about nightwing.... by sonnyhooper	Feb 13th, 2008 05:52:19 PM
.....is that the whole "not quite as good as batman" excuse is false. when you really think about it, at this point, dick grayson should have far surpassed batman at almost everything. there is no doubt that dick was allready the more natural athlete to start with, considering he was a acrobat from the time he learned to walk. couple that with the fact that he has been learning at the feet of the "bat-god" since he was 8 or 12 years old gives you a better idea of what nightwings skill set SHOULD be. it's just a shame that no writter will probally ever give us a dick grayson we should have.
That's a VERY interesting point, Sonny by rock-me Amodeo	Feb 13th, 2008 05:59:10 PM
I never thought in that manner. I don't know if Nightwing is more of a natural athlete than Batman, but undeniably, Bruce Wayne did not learn at the feet of masters until he was late into his teens, at best. Meanwhile, Dick was , like you said, learning from the best since he was like 10. Hmmm...
Batman has admitted Nightwing is better than him... by blindambition238	Feb 13th, 2008 06:20:43 PM
... I'll try to dig an issue up but yea Bruce usually refers to Dick being the one thing in his life he is totally proud of- as a crime fighter and as a complete human being. I think the Outsiders series did a pretty bang up job of showing off his prowess as a leader and crime fighter (managed to disable his entire team by rebounding a single baton around a room). The only excuse thats been given for him not being as good as the Bats yet, that I will buy, is that he isn't as much of a total obsessive/ recluse as him. He tries to have a life outside of the job and reaches out to his allies (like the issue above shows) for strength. I remember one specific Outsiders issue, before the current run where he basically yells at Batman for making the Outsiders a dirty ops team and quits, and Bruce basically tells him that this means Dick was always the person he hoped he would be.
anyone reading... by blackthought	Feb 13th, 2008 07:19:47 PM
countdown to mystery? cuz, it is pretty darn good...also...lately countdown has been oh so much better...bring on the final crisis dammit. so...adult grayson v. adult damian v. adult robin v. lazarus rejuvented alfred for the mantle of the bat? who wins?
Ennis' research for 'The Slavers' by Laserhead	Feb 13th, 2008 07:59:34 PM
Pick up some of the Year's Best Crime Reporting anthologies. There've been lots of in-depth investigations into human trafficking, most famously in a New York Times article called 'The Girls Next Door.' Sebastian Junger ('The Perfect Storm') also wrote a long article about the women from the eastern block countries who are kidnapped and forced into prostitution; then there's also the second season of 'The Wire.' Mix all that with a bunch of issues of 'Soldier of Fortune' and 'Guns and Ammo', and you're ready to write a Punisher arc. Again, I think Punisher MAX is uniformly excellent, most accomplished thing Ennis has done as a writer.
"Forced Sex"? Don't you mean "rape?" Just say it! by TheGhostWhoLurks	Feb 13th, 2008 08:02:56 PM
Sheesh... that's the same mealy-mouthed mentality that calls gambling "gaming" and garbage men "waste management engineers" just to make them more palatable and acceptable to people. So, if you like watching people get dismembered and RAPED read Garth Ennis' stuff. I've already said it before, but JLA: The New Frontier movie ISN'T as great as these reviews keep saying. A lot gets left out, some things are made clearer, the animation isn't as good as Justice League's or the last couple of seasons of Batman:TAS, but the voices are pretty good. So it's a mixed bag. Not bad, not fantastic (despite what the reviews are saying) and not as good as the source material. Overall, I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10. And ClanDestine's BACK??? Easily the BEST comic news I've heard in a LONG time! If you've never read this series, pick it up now! Alan Davis's supergroup is fantastic, and I'm more than a little unnerved that it's been almost 15 years since I first starred hoarding their comics. If you can, try to find the original series... there's also a limited series team-up book with the X-Men that sort of acted as the swan song for the first series. Check it out! I guess I'll have to start actually buying comic books again, as opposed to just TPBs...
Tim Drake has said repeatedly... by expert_40	Feb 13th, 2008 08:04:06 PM
... that he doesn't want to be Batman. He wants to be Robin. So he'll either be Red Robin or just regular Robin as an adult. Bruce has been training Dick for almost his whole life to be Batman when it is time (either through death, paralysis, or some other reason). Count me as one of those who think that Dick is a far more complete superhero than Bruce. And the reason is because he's more willing to trust, more willing to work as a teammate, and more willing to ask for help. Bruce is the greatest detective. His IQ is off the charts. Dick has been trained by him, but he'll never be quite as smart, but even 75% of the detective that Batman is is still what, second best in the DCU? Plus, Dick has Barbara for the really hard stuff. I think that a Dick Grayson Batman would be a superior Batman. I think then Tim Drake should be Nightwing and someone new as the new Robin.
re: "Forced Sex"? Don't you mean "rape?" Just say it! by barking_frog	Feb 13th, 2008 08:32:34 PM
I chose "forced sex" deliberately as a more broad descriptive term than "rape". I think "rape" is too strong a word for some of what goes on in THE BOYS. See issue #2, page 8, for instance. I think you'll agree the little bitch is getting into it.
Laserhead by messi	Feb 13th, 2008 11:04:04 PM
IS there any more info? The Slavers really got me interested in the Sex Slave trade, way to make me angry, but I do want to research it more. Ennis' even has balls to not make up a fake country but specifically target Moldova.
blackthought! by Thalya	Feb 14th, 2008 12:54:59 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with you on CD2M and CD. I almost didn't pick up CD2M #2, but Justiniano's artwork dragged me back in and I can't believe I almost did that, what with the story. sniff 'Wish I didn't come in on the tail end of Mr. Gerber's life. Dammit for being born in 1981.. BTW, for that whole "kill off Batman/the Big 7 and resurrect them as New Gods of the 5th World" rumor, anyone think Morrison was going to have Batman come back as the New Darkseid?
Thalya by messi	Feb 14th, 2008 02:36:21 AM
The rumour was either the big 7, or Bruce Wayne come back as a New God to battle Darkseid. Which makes little sense. metaphysically, Supes was always DC and the ultimate wildcard uberhero who fought Supes.
BTW Nightwing will never be as good as Bats by messi	Feb 14th, 2008 02:38:13 AM
regardless of the training, it's the will, the mind that makes Bats the unstoppable beast he is. Dick just doesn't have that edge. Like real life and in the comics, people react differently to things, some people don't take injustice, other do at different levels. Bats was just born that way.
WAY too harsh on ASM #349 by Steve Rogers	Feb 14th, 2008 06:17:55 AM
Slott's 3-parter was better, but no issue with the gag of Spidey singing his own theme tune (and changing the words) whilst rescuing those construction workers can be all bad. Lighten up!
messi by Laserhead	Feb 14th, 2008 09:12:12 AM
Check out "Best American Crime Writing 2003", which has a Sebastian Junger article titled 'Slaves of the Brothel' from Vanity Fair. Then, "Best American Crime Writing 2005" which has an article by Peter Landseman called "The Girls Next Door." Both are about sex trafficking, and I think would point you toward other sources. Horrible, tragic stuff.
GhostWhoLurks by Laserhead	Feb 14th, 2008 09:15:08 AM
There's a Clan Destine hardcover coming out at the end of this month that collects the original limited series and the X-Men crossover. I agree, a great superhero comic.
Thanks Laserhead by messi	Feb 14th, 2008 09:15:52 AM
thanks dude.
“Well, just what the hell are you creepy bastards then?" by Psynapse	Feb 14th, 2008 09:22:09 AM
Umm, Bug I love ya but I SERIOUSLY have to question how drunk you were when you read this issue. If the Family Tree on the FIRST PAGE that starts with "Adam Destine" and "Djinn" doesn't tell you ALL you need to know about 'what' they are then I'm not sure what would.
messi by Thalya	Feb 14th, 2008 09:32:08 AM
That's what I heard too. I was just thinking if a regular DCU character was going to replace Darkseid, it'd be Bats. The two of them are epitomes of "control".
JMS by Hedgehog000	Feb 14th, 2008 10:06:59 AM
I'm interested in the Twelve but it's a definite wait for the trade. Is this a continuing or a mini? My problem with JMS is that everything he starts seems to fall apart. Rising Stars was incredible for awhile, then it was mediocre and then the end was just terrible. Supreme Power was very good for it's original 18 issue run, but then just petered out from there. And I can't understand why anyone would think he did good work on Spidey. His good arcs were vastly outweighed by many many bad to mediocre stories.
JMS_Hedgehog by optimous_douche	Feb 14th, 2008 10:27:59 AM
The Twelve will be a (wait for the marketing genius on this one) a Twelve issue mini-series (even though I'm a professional marketer I hate my lot for kitchy shit like this). I couldn't agree more with your assessment Hedge. But after seeing the verbal eviceration Barking Frog received for his conjecture on ASB&R, I'm retiscent in my reviews to look forward too much. I've always taken a stance as a writer to give audiences what they want (otherwise what the hell are we writing for). This is not to say I will ever write a review that will pander to the masses, and offer anything but my honest opinion. However, if folks don't want to hear our conjecture and want us to focus on the subject matter at hand that's what I will give them. I think most creators do a better job on their own pet projects than the work they do for the major titles, Spidey included. We've seen this with JMS (Rising Stars - The Twelve), Busiek (Astro City) and Bendis (Powers). I guess they just have more freedom when they aren't being lorded over by an editor with a grand vision for the title.
ASM #349 by SutterCane	Feb 14th, 2008 10:32:05 AM
Steve, I dug ASM #349 too. The review here is way too harsh. It may not have been the absolute cream of the crop but it was a fun, fast-paced issue with some choice Spidey lines. And I'm all for finding out who Jackpot is - which looks to be revealed next week, if the next issues blurb in #350 ain't lying. My initial guess is that this is a new identity for Felicia Hardy, a heroic flipside to her earlier semi-villianous Black Cat ID. We'll see. But so far, I'm having fun with BND. Way too early to say just how the hand-offs from team to team will work in the long run but having read #349 and #350, it seems fine to me. Plot threads from Slott's issues have continued nicely with a couple of new ones entering the picture.
Hedgehog000 by messi	Feb 14th, 2008 01:27:43 PM
Because you look at the whole product. People love JMS' Spidey and think it's the best since Stan because of Spidey's characterization, how he handled Spidey and the marriage. The dialogue and Peter were great. And so what if his arcs are 'outweighed' it doesn't diminish the good arcs. Think more positively.
SutterCane by BilboRing	Feb 14th, 2008 02:01:00 PM
What do you think of Menace? I'm not sold on him just yet. I'm a fan og Hobgoblin over Green anyway. Menace seems like they are trying too hard. Maybe I just don't like the name Menace. Are there other types of goblins? LOL.
There does come a time with Garth Ennis... by C.K. Lamoo	Feb 14th, 2008 02:59:17 PM
When you wonder am I reading this because he's the greatest writer in comics or am I just here for the gore?
Can Justice Society of Europe be Far Off? by optimous_douche	Feb 14th, 2008 03:57:29 PM
Bug, I couldn't agree more about JSA. I've never really much cared for the silver haired super team, but when Johns started on this book, naturally I followed. I have loved every story to date (yes including the trapped in the building epsiode), but enough is enough. NO MORE NEW MEMBERS This book is starting to remind me of the post-crisis launch of the Justice League. The ranks kept swelling until they had to move some of them to Europe (I guess they couldn't find a good contractor to build some more rooms). If this book is going to keep me they need to develop who they have now and stop Fng recriuting.
hey now... by blackthought	Feb 14th, 2008 05:14:54 PM
i want to be a member of the jsa...so settle down your calls for no new members until i have my own coffee(more like green tea) mug in the cupboard. who knows what morrison has cooking for final crisis...i just want to see black adam show up in it...i miss him.
Why do you miss Black Adam, blackthought? by SleazyG.	Feb 14th, 2008 05:32:25 PM
His kickass miniseries just ended, and the final issue (#6) was easily the best of the bunch.
because... by blackthought	Feb 14th, 2008 09:12:55 PM
i want more dammit, that sixth issue was fantastic...and i just want more...tomasi and mahnke really delivered. plus, i could see myself pulling an obsessive crazed for love...oh black adam, romcom all the way.
the 2 things holding nightwing back... by sonnyhooper	Feb 14th, 2008 09:25:33 PM
....are 1.) the moronic fan-boy mentality that says "no-one can be better than batman at anything" and (as blindambition perfectly pointed out) 2.) dick isn't as obsessed as batman. nightwing is the more rounded hero because he is much more well adjusted, and a large part of that comes from the fact that bruce gave him an outlet for his greif at a very young age. which was something bruce never had, therfor making them into the two diffrent personality types they are now. but just imagine what might happen to dick if bruce, or tim, or barbra gordon was killed? potentally you would have the most pissed off and kick ass hero ever to hit the mean streets of gotham. granted i don't think it would really take the death of any-one for those people to make nightwing shine as bright as he could. it would really just take a writter that would just think a bit more "outside the box" to bring dick up to his full potental.
Folks, don't buy Marvel Comics Presents by GiggityGoo	Feb 14th, 2008 09:41:51 PM
Being the Cap fan I am, I had to pick up the latest issue of Marvel Comics Presents since the cover story involved the Living Legend of World War II. Boy, did I get rooked. I don't know who's reading this book, but it's horrible. The four stories contained inside are just rambling affairs. (The Cap story wasn't even about Cap.) Pass. In the name of all that's holy, pass.
the boys by Darth Kal-El	Feb 15th, 2008 02:36:56 AM
i gotta agree that while this is a pretty great book its not preacher-great. still good reading though and one of the ones i look forward to when new torrents come out.one of my fellow cogs,el vale, swears by ennis punisher and ive been meaning to catch up on it. i just read all of y the last man in the course of a couple of days and i gotta say this is one well written series.man i was impressed. and honestly i was really surprised to not see anyone in the tbs say frog's boys review couldnt be trusted because of his asbar review. a newer,nicer more tolerant aicn? one can hope
re: a newer,nicer more tolerant aicn? by barking_frog	Feb 15th, 2008 08:25:07 AM
Wait until I trash on THE SINESTRO CORPS WAR next week. ;-)
Reason #52 why Prof Challenger rocks :) by Thalya	Feb 15th, 2008 12:35:04 PM
http://tinyurl.com/267rnq
barking frog deserves the verbal evisceration. by Homer Sexual	Feb 15th, 2008 06:47:17 PM
That comment re: forced sex is really, very offensive. No joke. Maybe it is intended as a joke? But doesn't seem to be. These comments are making me worry about Final Crisis. I really hope DC doesn't go totally down the toilet on this one. What I've read here doesn't seem promising.
re: barking frog deserves the verbal evisceration by barking_frog	Feb 16th, 2008 08:09:08 AM
It's a joke at the expense of people who would prefer being offended over researching sources. The world's full of them, but the talkbacks seem to have a disproportionate share. :-)
point taken by Homer Sexual	Feb 17th, 2008 11:53:36 PM
My bad.

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