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FIRST!
by popmash
Feb 6th, 2008
02:04:30 AM
FUCK U... SECOND
by i kick tits
Feb 6th, 2008
02:05:36 AM
FUCK U!
Which of the old geezers is Indy in that shot?
by Budgie smuggler
Feb 6th, 2008
02:05:49 AM
Forrestal?
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
02:06:38 AM
Nah, it's probably someone else? Belloq?
F this! TRAILER ALREADY!!!
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
02:10:47 AM
Indy's clothes are too clean.
by SnapT
Feb 6th, 2008
02:11:30 AM
DIRTY UP THEM CLOTHES!
'Corpse' alien thing looks transparent...
by Crawing
Feb 6th, 2008
02:11:54 AM
...and alive? Sneaking along following Indy...Anyone agree?
What's that other face above Indy's head?
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
02:13:37 AM
Looks more creepy.
SPIELBERG IS BACK BABY
by THE KNIGHT
Feb 6th, 2008
02:17:05 AM
The Dark Knight and Indy in the same summer! Probably for the last time :(

Let's make it a summer to remember... can I get a HELL YEAAAAA!

Is it May yet?
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
02:18:50 AM
Seriously! Where is the Indy trailer? It should have been out last November!
Higher RES of Cate Blanchet Indy IV pic...
by Crawing
Feb 6th, 2008
02:22:04 AM
http://www.empireonline.com/ne ws/story.asp?NID=21939
Who owns this movie? The sci fi Channel?
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
02:23:24 AM
Why only bits released at a time? How about another making of short docu computer web thing?
What is Indy doing on LV-426?
by Det. John Kimble
Feb 6th, 2008
02:23:58 AM
Did Weyland-Yutani send him there?
Last link broken...meet Spalko...
by Crawing
Feb 6th, 2008
02:24:06 AM
http://www.empireonline.com/ne ws/story.asp?NID=21939
Trailer, please
by Kirbymanly
Feb 6th, 2008
02:24:14 AM
And enough with the age jokes. Extremely lame. Ford looks better than I bet 3/4 of us look NOW
Argh...
by Crawing
Feb 6th, 2008
02:26:13 AM
This site's forum ain't cool...everytime I paste the link it messes up...SO...take the space out of the previous link ( i.e. change /ne ws/ TO /news/ )
2 days 2 late...
by wadi77
Feb 6th, 2008
02:26:45 AM
I told Merrick already, but he didn't post it.
Trailer Running Time: 1 Minute 43 seconds
by wadi77
Feb 6th, 2008
02:32:04 AM
http://tinyurl.com/ytkgds
you got to be kidding me.
by ScreaminBrains
Feb 6th, 2008
02:33:28 AM
$439 and $459 for autographed pics??
HANNA MONTANA IS THE NUMBER ONE MOVIE
by theredtoad
Feb 6th, 2008
02:38:45 AM
at the box office.. hanna mon-friggin-tana. sadness.
IN A YEARS TIME WE'LL BE WISHING THEY HADN'T BOTHERED...
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
02:39:30 AM
Name me one belated sequel that has worked...?
The corpse...
by Jack Colby
Feb 6th, 2008
02:40:26 AM
Could be an alien, and I'm certainly hoping there are no live aliens shown in the movie anyhow. However... based on the pictures of the Indy IV Lego sets it looks like there might be some normal human skeletons around the temple as well. Hard to say one way or the other from the shot here.
anyone complaining about the alien aspect..
by RighteousBrother
Feb 6th, 2008
02:43:28 AM
need to shut the fuck up. And also, haven't they been releasing a few too many pictures recently?
Yep Aliens suck.... ask Mr Predator
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
02:47:27 AM

by manicart1
Feb 6th, 2008
02:49:07 AM
I heard somewhere that the aliens are supposed to be the same aliens from 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. Agreed on the trailer, but didn't the other three films receive similarly low key marketing? I didn't even know about 'The Temple of Doom' until my Mum and Dad took me and my brother to see it.
Scientology finally got its grip on Spielberg.
by Knuckleduster
Feb 6th, 2008
02:49:07 AM
Told him not to hang out with Cruise so much, but nooooo....
Belated Sequels that worked, Greigy
by Kirbymanly
Feb 6th, 2008
02:50:22 AM
2010, Rambo, Before Sunset, Aliens, Revenge of the Sith, The Color of Money, T2, Godfather Part 3 (fuck you, it's a great film), Rocky Balboa...that's just off the top of my head.
That's more than one... what do i win?
by Kirbymanly
Feb 6th, 2008
02:52:59 AM

by theredtoad
Feb 6th, 2008
02:58:31 AM
i'd say T3 was better AS A BELATED SEQUEL.. T2 came a few years after T1 and T3 came like ten years after T3 and wasnt shitty.. SURPRISE.
anyone else...
by Fortunesfool
Feb 6th, 2008
03:02:11 AM
Think these pics are lacking in atmosphere a bit. Looks a little bit 'Last Crusade' TV movie so far. Which bothers me a bit...
IT'S A LION! It's Huge!
by StarskyandHushky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:02:37 AM
Christ, sorry to burst your bubble, but its a fucking ROCK. Not an alien. Not the remains of dead Nazis. Not Harry's fat nutsack. But a fucking piece of rock. Now can we PLEASE all get back to the realm of the sane?
Good one, Toad...
by Kirbymanly
Feb 6th, 2008
03:03:03 AM
But T2 came along 7 years after the original. That's belated in my book. And, yes, T3 was pretty damn entertaining.
apologies
by Fortunesfool
Feb 6th, 2008
03:03:08 AM
for using 'bit' 3 times in that last post.
".. what do i win?"
by Bill Clay
Feb 6th, 2008
03:12:53 AM
Since your tepid list proved that Greigy was right, you lose, actually.
Bill Clay... your mom is tepid
by Kirbymanly
Feb 6th, 2008
03:13:50 AM
Loser.
How has there NOT even been a teaser yet??
by TheSeeker7
Feb 6th, 2008
03:14:21 AM
Seriously, I mean did I turn my head at precisely the wrong moment? That there's been a real substantial teaser and I didn't know it? Much less a full trailer. I mean crikey, this is one of the biggest movies of the last 5 years to hit (& that's been VERY conservative) and so in world where it's so typical to have a teaser out at least 8 full months or more before the release (even if it's very minimal new footage, ala Abrams' STAR TREK), this thing's out in about 3 months, and we ain't got dick so far! How can this be?
Why no trailer?
by ricardoflynn
Feb 6th, 2008
03:20:09 AM
Because all the other summer movies showed their cards waaaay too early. I already feel like I've seen 'Iron Man' and 'The Dark Knight' - I think people will get more excited for the movie if they have to wait a little...
Has anyone noticed????
by TheBoyFromUlster
Feb 6th, 2008
03:20:38 AM
That the skull behind Dr. Jones in that pic above looks like the Gold Idol from the start of Raiders? 'Throw me the whip, I'll throw you the Idol...'
INDY GOTTA EAT
by messi
Feb 6th, 2008
03:26:26 AM
Old school.
You know, it's kinda interesting...
by Sledge Hammer
Feb 6th, 2008
03:26:50 AM
The original plan, back when Raiders was being made, was to make four Indy sequels, each one representing a different treasure and time and a different part of his life. I can't help but wonder if that's not the plan again, and if we might hear chatterings of a final sequel after this one if everything turns out well on this pic. Unlikely I know, but Lucas does like his "I planned it this way all along" sctick. Then again maybe Lucas considers the young indy series part 4, and this part 5, and that's that.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to this more than any other film this year, even Dark Knight, I just hope it beats the odds and recaptures the magic, but so far I'm cautiously optomistic. We'll see though. After all, Indy's only a little over three months away...

Aparantly the ending of the movie is gonna feature....
by alucardvsdracula
Feb 6th, 2008
03:27:19 AM
A giant UFO, piloted by Mola Ram as he's shafting Short-Round. "I'm a gonna Fuck You Indiana Jones, Right in Da Ass!" Seriously. This happens. I am George. I am your father.
Its still just a rock.
by StarskyandHushky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:28:43 AM
Just sayin'.
By the time the 1200th pic is released
by Kragmose
Feb 6th, 2008
03:33:06 AM
We can string them all together and get 30 secs of teaser sweetness. Then they'll release the sound file seperately. Ya know, so we won't have to watch silent images. That's old-fashioned, this be tha future.
It's called 'Pareidolia'...
by StarskyandHushky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:35:12 AM
http://tinyurl.com/r5uhd....Go d damn you, you made me Wiki it.
INDIANA JONES AND THE FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY
by MelvintheMopBoy
Feb 6th, 2008
03:37:14 AM
How about some stills that weren't taken by a fucking tourist?
more belated sequels that didn't suck
by PrettyNursePoppy
Feb 6th, 2008
03:40:13 AM
Evil Dead II was like... 7 years after the fact and improved upon the original. And I actually truly enjoyed Live Free or Die Hard. Goldeneye was a nice return to form. Clerks II wasn't terrible. Finally, I always thought of "Pale Rider" as being part of the Dollars Trilogy. I know it's not official, but... I don't know. The tone is so similar, and it's either a sequel to High Plains Drifter or A Few Dollars More.
Kirbymanly
by Knuckleduster
Feb 6th, 2008
03:42:00 AM
2010? Really? You, sir, have a problem.
Knuckle...
by Kirbymanly
Feb 6th, 2008
03:59:41 AM
2010 is, by far, a different movie from the original...but it really does work on its own terms. You, sir, need to try it out again. And a great big f-you for jumping on my personal opinion. Oh, and I add Army of Darkness into the mix of belated sequels as well.
Well then...
by Knuckleduster
Feb 6th, 2008
04:16:30 AM
I guess you win. Still, you have to live with the cold, sorry fact that you like 2010. Ewwwww....
Does seem a bit overly Alieny!
by FILMFUNK
Feb 6th, 2008
04:19:52 AM
But on the other hand back to basics with a propper Raider style dusty tombs and aztec jungle vibe so why not!

The pic of the alien crystal skull made me go ??? but there was a supernatural kind of vibe going on in all the movies really what with face melting Arks, Indian voodoo and Imortal Knights so why not!

Indy gets abducted by aliens at the end, Shia takes franchise.
by Mike_D
Feb 6th, 2008
04:24:27 AM
mark my words.
Knuckle, you're proof
by Kirbymanly
Feb 6th, 2008
04:41:34 AM
of geek on geek verbal violence. It's sad. We're so used to defending the things that we like...we take it out on one another. This site is full of that. I was trying to prove a point. Guess it was lost...
2010
by Cagliostro
Feb 6th, 2008
04:42:00 AM
Worked for me. Of course that might of been in part from the Shrooms. 500 mics of blotter made Temple of Doom seem pretty awesome too when i first saw it, maybe I should go the same route for this one.
Kirby
by Knuckleduster
Feb 6th, 2008
04:48:25 AM
Mate, don't take it all so seriously. I'm just fucking with you. P.S. You like 2010.
2010
by kwisatzhaderach
Feb 6th, 2008
05:06:22 AM
Compared to 2001 it's a very ordinary film, mainly because it's a three-act structure film, unlike 2001's 'non-submersible unit' structure. Taken on it's own terms 2010 is a great film. Great scope photography, ominous score, cool FX. "Something is going to happen...something wonderful." Freaked me out in the cinema as a 10 year old. Watch this back to back with Sunshine and see the amaazing qualitative drop in filmmaking over the last 20 years.
Oh..and...
by kwisatzhaderach
Feb 6th, 2008
05:08:00 AM
NEW FUCKING INDIANA JONES FILM IN 3 MONTHS!!!!
pareidolia
by gotilk
Feb 6th, 2008
05:32:24 AM
"Common examples include images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon, and hidden messages on records played in reverse."

That was stupid. Hidden messages are on records. Some are so clear it's just completely obvious and totally goofy to even question if it was done on purpose , let alone *really there*.

Problem: Too many pics.

Solution: Don't look.

Thank you for playing.
That new animation
by jackalcack
Feb 6th, 2008
05:38:53 AM
really isn't funny at all, just proper grim. Harry as a dog blowing himself and spunking into his ginger beard. Too much Harry. It's that kind of misguided humour that resulted in the Blade 2 review. (Shivers)
THESE PICTURES ARE "GREAT"????
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
05:47:35 AM
Oh please. If these were the first photographs ever invented, then, yes, these pictures would be 'great'. But photography's been around for about 150 years - which makes the 'Crystal Skull' snapshots poor and underwhelming. And it's been well established by now that Lucasfilm have been deliberately releasing the dullest and most unflattering photos in order to reduce fanboy enthusiasm and lower expectations - thereby avoiding the kind of massive backlash that occurred after 'The Phantom Menace' was released.
INDIANA JONES and the ASSISTED LIVING COMMUNITY OF DOOM
by LaserPants
Feb 6th, 2008
05:49:21 AM
Working title for Indy 5.
Thanks for spoiling it, FUCK HEAD.
by Norm Cascade
Feb 6th, 2008
05:49:35 AM
I didn't click the last Crystal Skull news link for a fucking reason. You know, cause it said fucking "Spoiler." Way to go, Quint, you fucking fuckdamned fucktard.
Merriman
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
05:52:39 AM
If that's true then that is irritating to say the least. I'd much rather they put their effort into making a good film, instead of trying to spin a bad one.

The backlash for TPM occured because it is FUCKING DREADFUL. There's really no getting around it.

Dammit Harry
by Puñeta
Feb 6th, 2008
06:09:11 AM
What a disturbing flash animated pic you got on the site this time.
Watch clark
by Mr.Flange
Feb 6th, 2008
06:09:50 AM
..watch him close
LUCAS' MARKETING STRATEGY
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
06:11:04 AM
Lost Jarv: Agreed - The Phanom Menace was dreadful. But just compare the marketing build-up for that movie to this one. TPM used intriguing, well-composed publicity shots, followed by a kick-ass trailer: Fans' expectations went through the roof - to the point that very few movies would have been able to satisfy them. Hence an even bigger backlash than there would have been if the publicity had been low-key. Now look at the 'Crystal Skull' photos: they're poorly lit (as if taken by an amateur using a flash); they are badly composed and taken at awkward moments - again giving the whole production an amateurish feel; they emphasise the advancing years of both Ford and Allen - they both look "way too old for this shit". It's obvious what Lucasfilm are doing: they've learned from the Phantom Menace backlash and are DELIBERATELY making their film look like crap in order to lower expectations. That way, fans won't be as disappointed when they see it - and the backlash will be greatly reduced.
My Idea for an Indy teaser....
by Seany-Wan
Feb 6th, 2008
06:12:49 AM
The trailer opens with a black screen and you hear the music they play when Indy is in the map room. The camera pans to show many dusty crates (perhaps the crate that holds the Ark?). In white lettering on a title card it reads, "Many treasures have long been searched for..." Fade back (not black) to the camera panning to show more crates. The music continues. Another title card appears "Some stay lost to history and time...." The music starts to well up. Last title card "And others are to be discovered again...." We hear the music that plays just as the sun is about to hit the Staff of Ra. The camera pans to a crate that reads " Property of Dr. Jones". There is a whip and hat lying on it. We hear the Raiders march. A hand picks up the hat and whip. They are put in their proper place. You see the back of a person’s head as the hat goes on. After it is adjusted properly, INDIANA JONES turns around, looks into the camera, smiles and says, "Trust me". Fade to black. Title logo and credits. SUMMER 2008
every pic of Indy looks like he's constipated
by TodayzSpecial
Feb 6th, 2008
06:14:59 AM
He must've turned into a grumpy old man. We haven't seen one pic of him as the rogue-ish Indy that charms the ladies ....
Terminator came out in 1984. T2 in 1991.
by pokadoo
Feb 6th, 2008
06:19:36 AM
That's fairly belated. Last Crusade was also a belated (5 years after Doom)sequel. It's not the best Indy, but it's still pretty cool.
The Phantom Menace is a good, fun film
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
06:23:08 AM
And it gets better with age. If people could get over their nostalgic view of the originals, which had just as many flaws by the way, and stopped comparing the film to the version they have in their head, then they might realise that TPM is a fun action adventure movie, much like A New Hope.

But that's not going to happen because the haters have spent so long trashing the film and refusing to let go of their own private "visions" of the movies, it's impossible for them to now take an objective view and see the film for what it is.

The same applies to fanboys who love the prequels and refuse to see their flaws.

Phantom Menace is a great Star Wars movie...having said that, Lucas sucks at dialogue :P

Indy 4 is looking good...We've had McClane, Balboa and Rambo make successful returns and now Indy...I wonder if in 20 years, Nicholas Cage will make a Con Air 2, if Tom Cruise will return to fight the war of the Worlds once again, if Jeff Goldblum will bring dinosaurs back, if Will Smith will defeat the alien menace once more in Bastille Day...somehow, I doubt it.

We don't have action stars anymore, the Arnies and the Slys of this world are disappearing. Sure, we have action film...but look around...

We have no more action stars or icons...no Indys or Rambos. These films coming out with the old heroes of the screen are like a last goodbye to the action-icon era of cinema.

Will Tobey McGuire be remembered in 20 years as an icon? No...Shia LeBouf? Don't make me laugh...Indy is now all that's left of the icon generation...at least it seems he's going out in style.

I Agree about the FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY...
by mystic_dreamer
Feb 6th, 2008
06:33:23 AM
that MelvintheMopBoy said. A couple of days ago, I was also complaining about the skill of the on-set photographer. Spiels and Lou please release some shots that have decent lighting to enhance the atmosphere. So far, they are washed out and lacking any kind of menace. If you need a real photographer on your next movies, then please contact me: http://www.flickr.com/
I Agree about the FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY...
by mystic_dreamer
Feb 6th, 2008
06:36:45 AM
http://www. Feb 6th, 2008 06:33:23 AM that MelvintheMopBoy said. A couple of days ago, I was also complaining about the skill of the on-set photographer. Spiels and Lou please release some shots that have decent lighting to enhance the atmosphere. So far, they are washed out and lacking any kind of menace. If you need a real photographer on your next movies, then please contact me: flickr.com/photos/themystictra veller/

by mystic_dreamer
Feb 6th, 2008
06:43:02 AM
http://tinyurl.com/23t7oa
I see VENOM in the folds of Indy's neck!
by Blanket-Man
Feb 6th, 2008
06:50:00 AM
Or maybe it's Alison Doody.
PHANTOM MENACE: BETTER WITH AGE?
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
06:53:51 AM
No, neither I, nor other Star Wars fans need to have a version of these movies 'in our heads'. I can still watch the ACTUAL (not imaginary) ANH and ESB today and enjoy them. Why? Great characters you care about who have visible chemistry between them. Snappy, fun dialogue that fits the tone of the movies. Perfect pacing for the genre. Some terrific scenes and showdowns. Quality cinematography filmed in real locations that anchors the stories and makes them feel 'real'. Aliens who may look funny but are sharp, world-weary, cynical and have credible SELF-RESPECT. But mainly: they have terrific, first-class screenplays that work for this genre. The Phantom Menace? I don't care about the characters because Lucas doesn't and that's how he (under)wrote them. This is no secret - he has happily said this himself on several occasions. Atrocious dialogue ("Meesa Wuv you!" etc etc etc). Stupid, thoughtless plotting (about one third of the film is spent trudging around trying to repair a spaceship - WTF?). Pacing is at the rate paint dries, with many scenes of actors just standing (or sitting) there, intoning their lines at each other. Wall-to-wall CGI that makes the whole thing look like a Disney cartoon. Potentially terrific action scenes - but they are made boring because WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. Dead-weight animated aliens who serve little purpose and have NO SELF-RESPECT. Absolutely no one to root for or identify with - or even like. When I went to see it, I remember that I kept waiting for the story to start. It never did. I will grant you one thing, though - it is the best of the three prequels.
Merriman Lyon
by jackalcack
Feb 6th, 2008
07:05:07 AM
I thoroughly agreed with everything you said about Phantom Menace except that it's the best of the prequels. Surely you can't thing it's better than Revenge of the Sith. As shit as it was, at least it had some story and the dialogue was marginally better. The Phantom Menace, as you correctly pointed out, had no story whatsoever and the dialogue was an utter embarassment.
I think I just came
by Abominable Snowcone
Feb 6th, 2008
07:21:44 AM
to the conclusion that this film will meet my expectations.

Indiana Jones and the Place With Lots of Dust!

Merriman
by Abominable Snowcone
Feb 6th, 2008
07:28:37 AM
First you say you don't care about the characters, because Lucas didn't, then you voice the more popular opinion that the story sucks specifically because you (we) don't care about the characters. I agree with your latter (the more popular) sentiment. Even if Lucas didn't want to devote time to the characters, I wanted to see it but mostly did not. I think all the prequels for me get worse with age, only because I was admittedly very excited about each of them when they were released. Though I will say by the time of "Sith" I wasn't expecting a lot anymore. Empire is, was, and shall always be the best Star Wars film ever.
Cheers Merriman, you've put it well.
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
07:28:44 AM
And I've argued this out with you before vadakinx- The Phantom Menace is a shit film, but it has actually improved with age. The other 2 are nigh on unwatchable.

If you get over the shite acting, dismal dialogue, hopelessly underwritten characters, dire pacing and so forth, you are still left with the fact that it is downright boring. Which is the cardinal sin of Star Wars. For fuck's sake the "climax" (and I use that term loosely) of the film was a fucking vote of no confidence.

It's still the biggest disappointment of my cinema going life- I sat down feeling a sense of excitement. The lights fall the scrolling words come up and.... it's a tax dispute in the outer rim. It was like buying a porn mag, getting home and finding that some bastard had slipped a copy of the Economist inside the cover.

Jackalack...
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
07:31:39 AM
I know what you mean, Jackalack, and I know why you feel Sith is the best of the prequels. By the time he got to Sith, Lucas had other writers improving the dialogue and he made sure to include lots of action scenes. In addition, the overall emphasis is on a 'dark' tone - and all of this tends to find favour with audiences. However - and this is a subjective thing, obviously - I still feel it's the weakest of the prequels. Firstly, the damage was already done with TPM and AOTC - by establishing very, very weak main characters (particularly Anakin, both actors), and also by establishing a very, very weak story arc. After that, anything that is added only makes things worse - at least that's what I feel. After a terrible start, the story only becomes LESS interesting, not more so. And the more you add to it, the worse it gets. It's like some one who's losing a boxing match but won't throw in the towel - they just get beaten up even more. And there is so much CGI in Sith that I can't actually feel involved in any part of that world. The CGI is endless - and I just switch off for CGI, I can't help it - I just blank it. That final showdown with Anakin Vs Obi-wan goes on for AGES - with the two actors superimposed on a mindless, fake-cartoony world - and I don't care about EITHER character - because they are badly-written and frankly, badly acted. All I kept thinking was: "Alec Guinness was so brilliant as Obi-wan" - and then seeing Ewan McGregor's dull, dull interpretation, using that weird hybrid accent he's tring to do. And in the end of the day, when I look at TPM, as lazy and awful as it is, I can still get a tiny, tiny glimpse of that innocence and heart that was in A New Hope.
I'm Done With This Movie's News and Photos
by BilboRing
Feb 6th, 2008
07:36:11 AM
It's giving away too much now. I want to be surprised when it comes out. So no more images or minor spoilers for me. PEACE!!!!
Indy the buffoon?
by BanAllFIRSTPosters
Feb 6th, 2008
07:41:51 AM
I'm really, really starting to feel like Indy is going to be a parody of himself.
Jesus christ, you guys really are miserable
by EvilGeek1
Feb 6th, 2008
07:44:11 AM
I bet all you hateful fuckers are the same bastards who sat here praying for another Indy movie. What's the big problem? Oh what you don't like Shia? I don't like him either, but I'm not letting him ruin this movie! You keep giving out about the pics being released, yet you don't care that Ford looks like he hasn't aged a bit and still has that classic mule face that made his character so funny! You guys are just being assholes for the sake of it!
Merriman...to quote you:
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
07:46:13 AM
Stupid, thoughtless plotting (about one third of the film is spent trudging around trying to repair a spaceship - WTF?).

You know, it could be successfully argued that Empire is about the exact same thing, but that's held up as a masterpiece.

As for pacing...have you not forgotten the long, slow sequence between the droids in the desert and chasing Artoo into the Jundland Wastes?

As for dialogue..hmm..."But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters", the originals have some great dialogue, but also a lot of crap.

As for cgi...well it's not as if Lucas could have shot coruscant on location in New york...oh and for the record, the prequels had hundreds of sets and they did go to various locations. Yes there's a lot of cgi but there was no other way that Lucas could have shot those films...he can't shoot a saber duel at an actual volcano you know.

As for likeable characters...well there's Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, jar j...no, wait...yeah ok, Jar jar was over the top, but Threepio was over the top at times in the originals.

As for the action scenes...how can you not love the podrace, or the saber duel against Maul? In Clones you have the beginning of the Clone Wars, and Sith had a ton of great action...though I will say that the biggest flaw of the prequels is actually what was left out, especially in Clones and Sith, which had a ton of great stuff left o the cutting roo floor, never to see the light of day.

The acting in the originals wasn't that great either...with the obvious exceptions of Guinness, Oz and Hamill (in Empire).

As for the aliens...what were you expecting, ET? Yes, the Gungans were over the top, but what about Watto, Yoda, the Wookiees (with their brief cameos)? Darth Maul was simply cool. He was to the prequels what Boba was to the originals.

Look, I would have made changes...I would have made Anakin older for example...but some of the complaints that people have are just ridiculous.

The prequels were always going to be different...when Obi-wan spoke of the Old Republic, before the Dark Times, in the novelisations you got glimpses of what that old tie was like, and Lucas had been saying for years that the prequels would be different...ut everyone was still shocked when he didn't deliver carbon copies of the originals.

I'll give you an example...the used future look of the originals...people complained because the prequels were shiny and clean...well that was the point...it was the Republic, when things were supposed to be better. Before the galaxy was run down and went into decline over 20 years of Imperial rule.

I remember when menace came out and a lot of people hated all the politics...well, it was obvious (at least to me) that the prequels were going to delve more deeply into the politics of the galaxy than the originals did...in fact the politics paid off with Palpatines eventual rise to the throne as Emperor in Revenge of the Sith. In fact I think the overall plot of the prequels is actually better than the overall plot of the originals...or at least more coherent and less cut and pasted. Is it perfect? No. But it was never going to be.

I have a theory...not sure if it would apply to you, but I think it does for a lot of fans, especially older fans. Back in '77 people went to see Star Wars for the effects and the action...they went because it was something they had never seen before or imagined was possible...but what they got was a great story, and what I consider to be the greatest movie ever made.

Time went on, a lot of the effects became dated, but it didn't matter because the film had a great story with memorable characters and that was the lasting impression...it wasn't the tie fighters and the explosions, it was the story that stuck with people.

So when the prequels came along, the opposite happened...people went to see the films for the story, but what happened was that the effects overshadowed the story...they were overwhelming...instead of listening to what Yoda was saying, people were looking out the window at Coruscant. And yes, Jar Jar is part of that...yes, he was over the top...but try taking your eyes off him. When Anakin and Padme are talking and jar jar is messing around in the background, people automatically looked at jar jar. The effects overwhelmed the story.

Now, the cgi was needed to tell the story Lucas wanted to tell...and you know, I actually think the prequels would have been better received if some of the windows had been closed. Lucas couldn't show you the galaxy back in the days of the originals...in fact those films are actually kind of claustrophobic. The prequels opened the windows and showed you the world outside...but that world was distracting.

Anyways, it's just a theory...I love the prequels as much as the originals, and it doesn't bother me that others don't...everyone has their own tastes and opinions, I'm fine with that.

One thing though...there's an early draft of Phantom Menace, where Obi-Wan finds Anakin himself and the Gungans aren't goofy...that draft is actually better than the final film.

...still a rock.
by StarskyandHushky
Feb 6th, 2008
07:46:47 AM
Just checking.
I need an edit button
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
07:50:07 AM
That's what happens when you haven't slept for 2 days
BELATED SEQUELS...
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
07:50:36 AM
I was really meaning the ones made by a different creative force than the originals... T2, Godfather III(it's not that bad)were made by the same people.. 2010 I love but I'm not gonna argue for a nano second that it's a pimple on the ass of 2001... there's a difference between a good sequel and just getting away with it on the goodwill of the fanbase... Blue Brothers 2000 anyone...
I did not like the pod race
by Abominable Snowcone
Feb 6th, 2008
07:54:49 AM
The effects were good, overall. But it took too long without furthering the story much. On repeated viewings you just want to skip it, no? I do. Granted, Qui Gonn had to win a bet to secure Anakin's freedom, but that's about it. That could have been done some other way. I also had a hard time buying that it was a kid doing this super-pilot stuff. I don't give a shit how many midichlorians he has in his little weiner. The kid was just not likeable. And the two-headed commentator sucked. I could not accept that Qui Gonn, a wise Jedi sage, was wasting his time with Wattoo, whose mind he could not trick, when he could have just gone to other junk dealers or mechanics in Mos Espa and gotten the damn parts he needed.
All you haters are sad assholes full of shit
by jack-torrance
Feb 6th, 2008
07:55:22 AM
Are you all failed filmmakers or just sad nerds who can only get a kick out of badmouthing a movie that's not even been released? The biggest joke about you lot is that if Temple of Doom was being made today, you'd be going crazy, screaming "he has a kid sidekick!" "it's about an Indian cult and not based on a biblical artefact!" "there's no Sallah or Marcus Brody!" "it opens with a musical number". And yet Temple kicked ass and you're the same bunch who say you love Temple but think Crystal Skull will suck. You're all full of shit 'cause you'll all still see the movie and get the DVD. Get a fucking life.
vadakinX
by EvilGeek1
Feb 6th, 2008
07:56:01 AM
I agree. The problem with the prequels is that when most of us were watching the originals, we were kids and believed anything. Shit, Vader could've had four arses and we would've loved it! But now, the original fan-base has grown up and age in collaboration with the internet, has made movie fans cynical and impossible to please. That's not to say it's not Lucas' fault. He made the prequels too corny and aimed it at the kids. I'm sure if he targeted the original fan-base and took out some of the slapstick, it would be looked at in a different light. That said, the prequels have grown on me. I have accepted the fact that they don't capture the magic of the originals and so I view them with different eyes than I would with the others. I think people have lost the ability to just watch a movie.
You know what's good for sleep?
by The Brains
Feb 6th, 2008
07:56:42 AM
Sitting with George on his porch and he's explaining Joseph Campell's Hero with a Thousand Faces to ya. Ol' Georgie's a content billionaire and all but Jesus...all I could think about was that I had to pick up my drycleaning before the shop closed.
Abominable Snowman
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:00:14 AM
I don't mean to get all geeky here...but Qui-gon couldn't have gone anywhere else to get the parts...he went to Watto's junkshop because it was a smaller business and less likely to attract unwanted attention. Plus Watto himself said that he was the only one who had the particular part Qui-Gon needed...could he have been lying? Sure, but there was no reason to lie. Qui-gon would be just as likely to check the other shops anyway, there was no point in lying.
VADER HAD FOUR ARSES...?? hOLY SHIT I MISSED THAT..!!
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
08:00:20 AM
Did they add to them in the special editions.... FOR THE RECORD THE PREQUELS WERE APPALLING, STICK ANY KID IN FRONT ON THE FIRST THREE FOLLOWED BY THE PREQUELS AND ITS A NO BRAINER WHICH WINS... AND I'M TALKING CONTEMPORARY KIDS NOT THE FREAKIN BABY BOOMER GENERATION.
Spielberg is better than you haters
by jack-torrance
Feb 6th, 2008
08:00:58 AM
He's the most successful director of all time and INDY IV is going to own. All you haters can do is sit and talk BS about a movie you're still going to see!
George was right though...
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:03:31 AM
The kids loved it. These movies were always meant to be fun, family adventure films, much like the old movie serials. We're not talking about War and Peace here...it's Star Wars...with wizards and laser swords and action.
Vader originally had six arses...
by EvilGeek1
Feb 6th, 2008
08:04:13 AM
But Kia Mundi borrowed two from him on Coruscant an never returned them. Of course contemporary kids are going to hate them. Kids are idiots these days (no offense to anyone who has kids). They're too busy fucking around with their Wheelies and listening to 50 Cent!
Well maybe not every kid...
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:05:31 AM
But a lot...and I mean a LOT...of kids loved that film...and Lucas always maintained that they were family films.
I'd put Speilberg...
by EvilGeek1
Feb 6th, 2008
08:06:57 AM
in the top five greatest storytellers any day. He helped fashion at least several generations of film-makers and movie enthusiasts. And his movies have pretty much always been at least entertaining.
JACK TORRANCE... IT'S JUST THAT WE'VE HAD OUR...
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
08:07:20 AM
Collective childhood memories and expectations smashed by Lucas before... we REALLY REALLY want this to rule... and REALLY REALLY hope it does... but the odds are stacked against it... BY THE BY Spielberg has yet to make up for..THE TERMINAL, ALWAYS, HOOK....AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE ABOMINATION THAT WAS A.I.... DON'T SEE ANY CLUNKERS LIKE THAT ON SCROCESE'S CV.... His best film in years was Munich... could have gotten any lower key about that if he was a paper bag on his head...!!!
Vader also had 7 nipples. Fact!
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:07:35 AM
They were mechanical, and fully functional.
Catch me If You Can was good
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:09:36 AM
So was Saving Private Ryan, and of course, Schindlers List.

He'd still be my pick to do a WWII Captain America movie.

Greigy Just Wanted To Say
by EvilGeek1
Feb 6th, 2008
08:11:59 AM
I understand buddy. I'm having trouble spelling myself.
EvilGeek1 and Greigy
by The Brains
Feb 6th, 2008
08:13:44 AM
Me too, dudes. Me too.
Vader had one penis...
by EvilGeek1
Feb 6th, 2008
08:13:46 AM
But it was in Dimension X crunkin' it up with Krang in the Technodrome! Could you imagine picking up chicks with that thing!??!
Prequels...
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
08:15:04 AM
Well, first off Vadakinx, I commend you for your rational, non-abusive tone. I still feel that I've addressed most of your points in my earlier post. I will just say one thing: the Yoda of the prequels is not in any way the same Yoda of the Original Trilogy. From his personality to his dialogue to his voice - they simply forgot how to do him (and I include Frank Oz in that, I'm afraid). I agree with your comments about visual effects and I think it's a large part of the problem. It is a golden rule of movie-making (but one that is often forgotten) that the most amazing effects in the world are absolutely useless without a good story and characters you care about. On the other hand, A good story and characters will still entertain IN SPITE OF rubbish effects. But in the end of the day, you can compare the various elements in both trilogies point-for-point and find equivalents.....but the overall quality in the original trilogy is on a very different level. With the exception of Return Of the Jedi - which starts to suffer from some of the same flaws as the prequels - the OT just works. I can't really say why the chemistry works in one movie and not in another but that's the nature of these things. So an endless trudge on Tatooine in TPM is like watching paint dry - but in ANH is evocative and affecting in a way I can't explain. Perhaps it's simply because ANH was created by a young man who was ambitious and hungry and had to fight agains the studio, his crew and technical difficulties to achieve his vision. Whereas TPM was created by a comfortable, post-middle age multi-millionnaire with a family and business empire who could employ thousands to do anything he wanted. Those are two very different men and they have produced very different movies.
Spielberg, sadly, is a shadow of his former self
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
08:21:11 AM
Seriously, since hook he has produced at a phenomenal rate but with a LOT of duds (and I include SPR in this).

Schindler's List is arguably his masterpiece, but since then? nope, pretty average to shite stuff.

And before anyone flays me over SPR, I have genuine reasons that I can wheel out, and I'm not for a minute denying that the normandy landing was a staggering piece of film making.

2010
by PedroM
Feb 6th, 2008
08:23:03 AM
"Something is going to happen... something wonderful" That line got me there too And what about Dave appearing behind Roy Scheider outta nowhere? Still give me the creeps!
He needs to be Han Solo again.
by rsswope
Feb 6th, 2008
08:24:11 AM
Carrie Fischer as Leia in a metal girdle.
Vader only had ONE ASS
by Hervoyel
Feb 6th, 2008
08:27:00 AM
"He's useless to us. We'll have to burn the room."
Spielberg is still the best filmaker alive
by CuervoJones
Feb 6th, 2008
08:27:03 AM
No one knows more about filmmaking. You can have problems with his movies´scripts, but the guy is a visual master.
Pedro M
by Abominable Snowcone
Feb 6th, 2008
08:28:36 AM
Something wonderful: Yes, one of Jupiter's moons will explode and turn into a second sun for our solar system. And somehow, this explosion will not affect the orbits of the other planets, nor will it scorch the earth. Or did I miss something there?
The films are called 'Star WARS'
by jackalcack
Feb 6th, 2008
08:28:48 AM
Yet this was sorely missing from the prequels. There was no war in the first film, about 10 mins of the beginning of a war in the second film and the third film was about the end of the war. Lucas should of set all three films DURING the Clopne Wars. Straight away you're thrown into the action like ANH and immediately the stakes are higher. A fucking trade dispute? Oooooooo. The cynic in me thinks that Lucas deliberately kept the Clone Wars offscreen so he could make a fortune on cartoons, comics, tie-in novels and all this other expanded universe bullshit. The real problem though was the atrotious writing and dialogue. If the characters had been likable and the story compelling, people would have forgiven the excessive use of CGI. If it had been well written and the story was better the dialogue wouldn't have been so bad and if the dialogue hadn't been atrotious then neither would have the acting. And there wouldn't have been any Jar Jar Binks.
True CuervoJones
by Hervoyel
Feb 6th, 2008
08:30:18 AM
Spielberg has forgotten more about making good movies than most of the clowns working at it today will ever know.
John Ford > Spielberg>Hitchcock>all the rest
by CuervoJones
Feb 6th, 2008
08:30:27 AM
Suck that.
no way
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
08:32:24 AM
Hitchcock> Ford> Spielberg.

But I'm biased.

Wow!! vadakinX
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
08:32:46 AM
Nice write up. I like ROTS a lot the other two I'm not so crazy about. It's mostly cause of the acting. I'll explain, it's not that the acting was better in the OT it just seemed to resonate better it had better chemistry. I think it's cause of the casting. The OT cast just worked better. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of good casting calls in the PT it's just not as complete. All the CGI stuff doesn't bother me so much, but I get the felling some of the actors had a problem with it,or at least didn't know how to deal with it. Anyway good write up you had some really good points. Anyway I think the new Indiana Jones will be just as good as the rest of them.
OKAY FEEL THE LOVE FOR THE 'BERG.... BUT...!!
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
08:33:03 AM
For the record.. LOVE Spielberg (forget his high profile he is still one of the most talented and conscientious filmmakers out there) but I have to bring exception to first Saving Private Ryan… I get really narked when it’s blanket praised…. Many in Europe were deeply offended by the IMPRESSION that it was only Americans on the beach, this would have been totally fine if this was simply about the American experience on D-Day, fine no problem at all… BUT this film was made with the all encompassing patronising “I’m teaching you about history” vibe that started with Schindler and went through Amistad. It’s a good film, well told but pretty insensitive, I’m not talking U571 where they pretended that British exploits were in fact executed by the Americans but insensitive all the same, it wasn’t nice for the veterans. Schindler too is good film (not a great film) but I take exception to that fact that in a 3 hour film for God’s sake he can’t find one second, not ONE SECOND anywhere to explain that camps housed / worked / murdered many other social groups condemned by the Nazi’s. Hundreds of thousands of Catholics, Russians, Gypsies, The Disabled, Political agitators, Muslims, The mentally ill (many of whom were used as test subject for the prototype gas chamber). In fact in every documentary mentions the fact that a special bile was reserved by the Nazi’s for the Russians. Let’s not split hairs that film was trying to teach the uneducated masses about the holocaust (all very laudable) but by coming ONLY from the Jewish perspective there was a large chunk of the jigsaw missing. If you want a more complete picture you’re better off with the BBC Doc on Auswitch or sitting through SHOAH. For D-day, get the perspective of the generation that were actually there… The Longest Day, The Big Red One.
I hope this doesn't suck.
by JKrow21
Feb 6th, 2008
08:34:13 AM
Because so far this about as fun as watching my grandpa run around his nursing home in a hat.
Prequels Yoda
by TheManBehindTheMask
Feb 6th, 2008
08:36:02 AM
Yes he is different than in the OT. because this new movies shows us the real face of Yoda: He's just a religious fuck that don't care about love or people around him, all that matters is his precious Jedi order that falls in pieces due to his blindness.
I consider invading a planet to be a big deal
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:38:29 AM
I mean, it's Star WarS...plural. The first war is on Naboo...it's not a full scale galactic war, but still a war. The reasons for it are no less valid than invading a country for oil. The second war is obviously the Clone Wars, and the third is the rebellion.

As for how much of these wars were shown, sure I'd like to have seen more, though look back at Empire...it has fuck all to do with the rebellion. Yes, you have the battle on Hoth, but after that, it's all about Vaders obsession with Luke.

Even Return of the Jedi, which bring the rebellion to the forefront again, is still a much more personal story with the rebellion being in the background.

If Luke had been killed or turned to the Dark Side on the Death Star, it wouldn't have mattered because lando would still have blown it up and the villains would end up dead anyway...but even so, the rebellion is still just a subplot and the primary focus of the film is all about Luke, Vader and the Emperor.

I disagree Greigy
by Hervoyel
Feb 6th, 2008
08:41:16 AM
I didn't feel that vibe you speak of. I got a feeling that it was about a very specific story that took place on D-Day and that it involved primarily (if not "only") Americans because that's who he was telling story about. Similarly with Shindlers List he was telling a story about a specific group of people. I think you're expecting too much out of movies that aren't there to provide you (or anyone else) with anything more than a passing glance at a single moment in time through the eyes of a handful of people. I always take the history in movies with a grain of salt. I think it succeeds if it engages you enough to make you go look for the true details and doesn't just outright lie to you about everything. I expect very little in the way of accuracy in my entertainment.
jackalcack good points too..
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
08:43:46 AM
I think if he just made a few changes to the cast it would have made all the differance in the world. There's kind of silly dialouge in all the SW movies The differance is in the way those lines are delivered. Han Solo or Leia could get away with so much more cause they could pull it off with out sounding like they were reading the lines from a telepromter. Unfortunaly Anakin, Mace, Padme to name a few just seemed like they were reading lines through out most of the movies. And that's not fun for us cause those are like the main characters.
Hervoyel.... I hear you BUT..
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
08:44:42 AM
Those were LONG films... and actually historical context is everything.. Zhivago.. is essentially a love story but even that manages to set the historical context pretty well..
The prequels needed Lucas...Marcia that is.
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:44:56 AM
Lucas' ex-wife served as an editor on the original films was was instrumental on keeping George focused on the story and characters...her role in crafting those movies can't be understated.

And one thing the prequels (especially Clones) suffers from is bad editing.

2010
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Feb 6th, 2008
08:45:59 AM
is actually a pretty good film. Jupiter and Io looked incredible for 1984 effects. Not to mention the Academy thought it was good enough for some nominations.
Hervoyel... anyway it would only take...
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
08:46:06 AM
ONE LINE OF GOOD EXPOSITION TO SET THE SCENE.... NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK....
300
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:47:16 AM
See...people complai about historical inaccuracies in SPR and Pearl Harbor and the like, but when Miller did it with the 300 comic and later the film, people called it artistic licence.
damn spelling
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
08:48:35 AM
that should be "complain"
vadakinX....er dude....
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 6th, 2008
08:50:24 AM
there aren't any of those Spartans around to hurt their feelings.

by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Feb 6th, 2008
08:53:48 AM
"Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo"
I agree about the bad editing
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
08:56:37 AM
There were way to many times in the PT at the end of thier dialog when the character on screen would just be standing there like he had no idea what he was supposed to be doing or looking at before the the sceen would change. Also someone the other day on here mentioned Gary Kurtz. I think that guy had a lot to do with how great ANH and ESB were. Cause if I'm correct, ROTJ was the first SW movie without him and that's kind of where the movies started to loose it.
Hold me!!
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
09:01:39 AM
Isnt there a "hold me like you did back on ???" line from Leia to Han in ESB or ROTJ. I can't remember.
Getting the chemistry right
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
09:03:25 AM
I think the prequels suffered from losing some key personnel from the OT. The success of the OT was founded on the chemistry of Lucas and the people he had around him. Marcia Lucas is one, of course. Gary Kurtz is another. Kurtz was fired just BEFORE ROTJ (co-incidentally where the prequel silliness started to creep in). These people stood up to Lucas and disagreed with him on many of his storytelling. And don't forget that Kirschner moved ESB away from the direction Lucas intended (Lucas was furious at what Kirschner did). But ESB is by far the best in the trilogy. Now Lucas has surrounded himself with Yes-men - which is his right as it's his money. But it's to the detriment of the movies.
Another pic that doesnt look like a movie still
by FleshMachine
Feb 6th, 2008
09:03:26 AM
what the hell? EVERY picture looks like some staged studio shot...not a film still.
"now that we've all seen what the Crystal Skull looks like"
by darquelyte
Feb 6th, 2008
09:04:25 AM
We have? Does anyone have a link to the pics he's talking about. The REAL pics, not some bogus crap. I'm sure many of us would appreciate it. Thanks!
I understand what you're saying
by Hervoyel
Feb 6th, 2008
09:07:26 AM
I just think that he (Spielberg) felt that he had what he wanted. He is Jewish and he made no bones about the idea he was telling their story. If you watch the film, know nothing of the events, and say to yourself "This actually happened?" and then go start digging up the facts you'll learn that it wasn't just Jews who were killed. If you see Saving Private Ryan and know nothing of the facts but understand that it was "based on a true story" (quite loosely of course) and want to know more about it then you can't help but learn that soldiers of many countries landed in Normandy on D-Day. Possibly I see it this way because I already know these things and like a lot of people I've been interested in the second world war for most of my life. I just think it's "enough" to get people started learning about it.

by The Brains
Feb 6th, 2008
09:09:26 AM
Crystal Skull pic- http://fusedfilmblog.com/
And...
by Hervoyel
Feb 6th, 2008
09:09:34 AM
But you make some very good points and yes, he could have included more information. He just didn't and I guess it was a case of it being his movie and he made it the way he wanted to.
As for the Prequels...to quote Terry Gilliam
by FleshMachine
Feb 6th, 2008
09:09:50 AM
he cant wtch them becasue they are "DEAD THINGS". and he's right, they really are....they lack life. they are flat and dead. the original 3 however you want to critisize them had life. ive tried and tried to love them...but alas I cannot....for they are dead.
The kid that was almost Anakin
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
09:11:39 AM
On the 'making of' DVD for The Phantom Menace they show clips from the auditions for the role of Anakin. There's one kid who is brilliant. Get this: He LOOKS just like Mark Hamill, aged 9 or so. His acting is so natural and genuine that he makes Lucas' dialogue sound good. REPEAT: he makes Lucas' dialogue SOUND GOOD. He has this spooky presence that makes him seem both vulnerable and dangerous. You fear him and fear FOR him at the same time. It's a 30-second clip of his audition and it is RIVETING. I can tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that if THAT kid had been cast as Anakin Skywalker, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But we got Jake Lloyd. Yipeee!
145th!
by Hervoyel
Feb 6th, 2008
09:13:25 AM
I always wanted to do that but I tend to procrastinate.

by The Brains
Feb 6th, 2008
09:14:36 AM
One thing about the Prequels is that George tried to "mirror" them so much to the OT that, while clever in a way, it took away a lot of the spontaneity. It was like it was feeding off its own legacy- "Pop will eat itself."
Indy IV = creampie
by Redfoot the Fence
Feb 6th, 2008
09:16:06 AM
This thing is leaking messily all over the place. Christ, I have to invent new Anti-Spoiler-Vision glasses just to come to this site because the headlines are spoiler-y enough.
AICN animation
by The Brains
Feb 6th, 2008
09:19:54 AM
Harry's eating himself too. WTF is that pic?
450 for a fucking photo?
by mish87
Feb 6th, 2008
09:22:46 AM
Fuck that shit! Even if God signed it it wouldn't be worth that much.
Close Encounters of the Jones Kind
by uss cygnus
Feb 6th, 2008
09:23:43 AM
This means something...doesn't it, Jar-Jar? Meesa thinkin' yousa Step into the time machine.
Merriman Lyon is correct
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
09:26:46 AM
Chemestry is key to making something as big as Stars Wars. It's kind of ironic that Lucas would be furious at Kirshner, cause if he had not done what he did Star Wars would not be the Empire it is to day, not even close. If it weren't for ESB there would be no legacy. Anyway that's why I want to see Lucas pass the torch and let it go. I want him to turn it over to a young hungry director/writter and make the final trilogy,7 8 9. Have it begin with Luke passing the torch to the next generation. That would be big.
Hannah Montana...
by Kid Z
Feb 6th, 2008
09:27:56 AM
...well, every preteen girl in the country bought a ticket... that's a lot of tickets! Billy Ray's going "Thank Christ my boys could still swim and the wife popped out a kid who could sing... now I won't have to spend my declining years doing dinner theatre in Myrtle Beach!"
Lost Jarv
by erichaislar
Feb 6th, 2008
09:28:28 AM
Come on really? What about Munich? That film is a freaking masterpiece. Every body has a dud here or there along in there career. The do is the most successful Director of all time. Even War of the Worlds, which was not great was still at least fun .
His sidekick is Wilford Brimley
by Bobo_Vision
Feb 6th, 2008
09:30:12 AM
And throughout the movie, Wilford keeps reminding Indy to get checked for "Diabet-us".
Raider
by The Brains
Feb 6th, 2008
09:31:25 AM
Fuck Billy Ray and his Keith Urban haircut. His greatest achievement was his bit part in Mulholland Drive.
If anyone buys the photo
by Abominable Snowcone
Feb 6th, 2008
09:31:53 AM
for $450, please let Misha and I know where you live, so we can break in and take it. Thank you.
vadakinX
by critch
Feb 6th, 2008
09:32:59 AM
Why didn't Qui-Gon just go to other dealers, use the mind trick to trade his credits for 'something more real', and THEN go back to Watto and do the trade. Would've taken about an hour. The second Watto started bitching about credits I thought that. Or, you know, just shove the Toydarian in a closet while you take what you want. Oh wait...that wouldn't be the jedi way. 9.9 Episode 1 and 2 pretty much sucked except for the action scenes. They were poorly written, acted, and directed. Even John Williams wonderful score was chopped up all over the place in an editing disaster. Episode III was almost on par with the originals, but Anakin's nonsensical turn combined with Padme giving up on life after having the children was just horrid. Um, IJ4 is gonna be great though.
New Street Fighter 4 Screens, BLANKA!!
by nooneimportant
Feb 6th, 2008
09:34:09 AM
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Abominable
by PedroM
Feb 6th, 2008
09:38:20 AM
I really dont know about scientific things but the explosion really should affect the planet´s orbits... Have to watch it again, it´s been a long time!
I've got to check out that DVD
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
09:38:23 AM
I havent put the Phantom Menace DVD in in years. Is that where I can find these auditions? I watched the extras a long time ago and don't remember much. I remember back then thinking how the castng for that kid was terrible. For the record that doesnt mean he's a terrible actor it just means he was wrong for the part. Anyone in a SW movie needs to have an incredible imagination.
The prequels was full of great moments
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
09:45:27 AM
and that may be their biggest problem...that's all they were, moments. I'll give you an example...

In Revenge of the Sith, there's an iconic shot of Anakin leading the clones up the steps of the Jedi Temple, hood up, lightsaber at the ready...it's one of THE iconic shots of the entire saga.

A great moment, and if you're a Star Wars fan, watching that for the first time...even if you hated everything about the prequels, that shot brought back memories of "A young Jedi named Darth Vader...helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the jedi Knights" and you were going to see it, Anakins betrayal. He was going to walk into the temple and lay waste to the Jedi...Darth Vader, baptised in the blood of the Jedi...

And then it cut away...and that right there is the problem with the prequel trilogy...it's full of great moments, but without the followthrough, without moving forward and taking that next step.

There's another scene at the beginning, during the space battle. We'd waited 20 years for a dogfight to match Return of the Jedi...and the space battle looked cool, but it was all background...Anakin at one point says "I'm going to go help him out" referring to one of the clones who is in trouble...great, a chance for some dogfight action...then Obi-Wan says no? What the fuck?

Great moments in all three films that could have been so much more.

Still love them though :P

Fuck Billy Ray! Bring back Billy Dee
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
09:47:31 AM
...Williams that is
Phantom Menace auditions
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
09:48:40 AM
Yes, the auditions are on the extras DVD. I saw that DVD for the first time about a year ago and could not believe how they could NOT cast that other kid as Anakin. Having a main character you can relate to can make up for bad dialogue and plot. The audition scene was the bit where Anakin meets Natalie Portman - the infamous "are you an angel?" scene. One of the worst pieces of dialogue ever written; you'd think no actor could make it work. Sure enough, when Jake Lloyd does it, it makes you cringe. And yet the kid in the audition makes it sound like he can see some kind of truth that others can't. I'm serious! Suddenly it sounds like a very significant and resonant scene! I tell you TPM would have been a different movie if this kid was in it.

by The Brains
Feb 6th, 2008
09:50:12 AM
Billy Dee, Billy Dee...
vadakinX I think we've figured it out
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
09:53:13 AM
I would have to agree with Merriman Lyon. Lucas surounded himself with yes men after ESB. There is a really great comentary on one of the South Park DVDS where Stone and Parker are making that point. I can't remember which season it is but it's the episode that ends like Raiders and Lucas is kind of Speilbergs side kick it's funny.
SWEET CLARITY
by ArcadianDS
Feb 6th, 2008
09:58:13 AM
The corpse does not look alien

The corpse does not look like the Gold Idol

The corpse does look like its from Earth 2

The set looks like Space Mountain

Indy's hat looks like a shovel and his face is clean. whaa?

If the rumors of a Close Encounters link are true, I will insist on a dum DA dum da DUUUUUM music cue somewhere in the film

About that fan-scripted trailer further up the thread, Indy doesn't say 'trust me' - Han Solo says that.

I remember that audition
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
09:59:41 AM
Lloyd was actually more natural, but the other kid was a better actor and didn't mess up his lines. There's a dozen scenes I can think of where Lloyd seems to forget his line and take that extra second to get it out....I do understand why Lucas went with him over the other guy...Lloyd was more natural...when he got it right, but in terms of consistency, that other kid way ahead.

Frankly, looking back...I would have preferred if Lucas had cast Christensen at 14, gone with an older Anakin and let Christensen develop the role over three films rather than two...Hamills first performance as Luke and Christensens first as Anakin are eerily similar (father and son I suppose :P). By the time Empire had come around, Hamill's take on the character had developed significantly and was complete by Jedi, which showed the evolution of the character over the three films.

Christensen was doing pretty much the same, with his character more developed in his second performance. If he had a third movie, I think the evolution of Vader would have been complete across the trilogy.

The real tragedy with the prequels
by jackalcack
Feb 6th, 2008
10:06:01 AM
was the wasted opportunity. They could have been awesome. They could have been the new Star Wars. As it turned out, Lord of the Rings was, but I'm not gonna open THAT can of worms on this site...
Heath Died
by erichaislar
Feb 6th, 2008
10:06:25 AM
Of Accidental Over Dose. It's on the news. He Took his meds and they had a bad reaction to one another.
erichaislar
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
10:09:57 AM
munich is a high point, but even munich has problems.

Honestly, look at the amount of duds to hits and since hook it is way skewed.

I hear you Merriman Lyon
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
10:10:20 AM
I'll check that out later. I remember very well having these conversations back when the movie came out then when the DVD came out. At the time all my friends wanted that kid from the 6th sense,I think that was around the same time. Anyway, it just goes to show if it's the right actor you can make any stupid line work. I just can't believe they would drop the ball on the main character. On the flip side they got a few good performances, like the guy that married Shmi Skywalker. is that right Shmi? That guy had "it" even though he was only in AOTC for a minute I felt his pain he was a pleasure to watch.
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by OttopartS
Feb 6th, 2008
10:11:10 AM
OT Jedi are skilled fighters, Preqel Jedi are Super-Heroes.
by C.K. Lamoo
Feb 6th, 2008
10:11:37 AM
Once you heroes start moving with super-speed, levitating, and jumping around like grasshoppers you really stop taking them seriously.
Natalie Portman
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
10:15:19 AM
As hot as she is, and as much as I'd fuck her senseless, she was completely miscast in Star Wars...though I still think she would have made a great Lois Lane.
I'm hoping for the best
by TerryMalloy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:20:43 AM
But Ford really does to be scowling in every single pic.
Good points in the prequels..
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
10:23:28 AM
Yeah, VadakinX, I'm not saying that the prequels don't have little moments - though I'm afraid that Hayden tucking in his chin and hooding his eyes doesn't convince me that his character is a bad-ass. In fact, I can't see the character at all in his performance. I can only see a teenage actor saying his lines and 'pretending' to be bad (see my other posts for comments on acting). Some nice moments I noticed in the prequels were things like when Liam Neeson off-handedly refers to Jar-jar as 'a local'. Now THAT'S the kind of casual wit the old trilogy had: accepting googly-eyed aliens as commonplace and even tiresome. But moments like this are so, so few and far between. What else? Oh yes: the moment when Darth Maul dismounts from his speeder bike is startling (why didn't they use him more?). I genuinely can't think of anything else right now... I'm afraid that none of the action scenes work for me as I need to care about the characters to enjoy an action scene. I mean the pod-race is brilliantly designed - full credit to Lucas' storyboard artists (he can afford to hire the best in the business). But I cannot enjoy it because I don't buy the set-up. Why on earth does Anakin's mother allow her only son to participate in an event that will almost certainly kill him? For the benefit of strangers she's only just met? No way. I know it's only a Sci-fi movie, but even in outer space, mothers love and protect their children. It makes no sense at all - and Lucas needed to write this so the kid had no choice - then I'd empathise and be concerned for his safety. As for the space battles, I'm afraid I prefer the old plastic models in the OT. The prequels' battles are so over-crowded that it just looks like a Space Invaders videogame from the '70s. In ESB, there is this majestic, lyrical sequence where the Millenium Falcon slips past some floating rocks and swoops over the surface of a huge asteroid. To this day, it is a breathtaking piece of cinema. And all the more so for the fact that I CARE that the main characters could be dashed to pieces at any instant. Because this scene has NOTHING to do with flashy special effects and EVERYTHING to do with the characters. The key to this scene is the relationship between Han and Leia. She's outraged by his conduct but you can see she likes him. And his bravado doesn't hide the fact that he's scared shitless but refuses to admit it. And we know this, NOT because the characters explain their feelings in clunky dialogue ("when we had nothing but Naboo" or whatever) but because YOU CAN SEE IT. I'm sorry, but this is DRAMA. It's both touching and fun. It keeps you glued to the screen. By comparison, I couldn't care less about the asteroid sequence in AOTC. They've upped the asteroid count be a factor of a thousand (More is definitely LESS) and I don't care if Ewan McGregor lives or dies, and I can't buy this 'Boba Fett's dad' idea because it's just stoopid.
C.K.Lamoo
by ArcadianDS
Feb 6th, 2008
10:23:38 AM
have you even WATCHED any Star Wars movies?
Heath Ledger should have been in SW
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
10:24:22 AM
I think Ledger should have been Anakin that might have been great. Anyway it's a shame about him he sure will be missed.
**seem to be
by TerryMalloy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:24:33 AM
Daniel Day-Lewis could have played Anakin
by TerryMalloy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:26:35 AM
and the prequels still would have sucked.
JESUS CHRIST, THAT NEW HARRY ANIMATION...!
by Osmosis Jones
Feb 6th, 2008
10:27:21 AM
What the fuck is WRONG with you?!
C.K. Lamoo
by systemsbroom
Feb 6th, 2008
10:27:34 AM
Dead on. When you have real people flying around and bouncing off walls and shrugging off multi-story falls like the jedi do in the prequels, it really feels ridiculous. Especially when these now-cartoonish jedi are superimposed over a bunch of video-game inspired cg backgrounds.

Anyway, I've always felt that what made star wars popular was the fact that it was popular--sort of a non-linear network effect of it being in everybody's cultural lexicon. What the prequels did was remind everybody (or me, at least) that there really wasn't a there there.

Speaking of Trailers
by MRJONZ72
Feb 6th, 2008
10:29:51 AM
not only would I think a teasher would had been out by now but there also should had at least been a The Incredible Hulk teaser trailer released by now. It comes out in what June.
Indiana Jones and the Cradle Of Godzooky
by uss cygnus
Feb 6th, 2008
10:32:16 AM
Meesa thinkin' you be choosen wisely docta jonsea
Maul was great but..
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
10:33:45 AM
He just didn't have enough, one of his only lines was now we'll have revenge against the Jedi but we know nothing about this guy. Why does he want revenge? is it just cause he's a Sith? I guess so but I would have liked a little more. I like Jango he was well cast. But still my favorite guy is the elder Lars that guy was great!
As far as jumping Jedis
by TerryMalloy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:34:52 AM
I think it made the saber fights way cooler for the prequels but made the Obi-Wan/Vader fight in the original look quite silly.
Darth Maul
by TerryMalloy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:35:49 AM
was the best thing about the prequels.
Prequel Jedi
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
10:37:47 AM
One thing that surprised me about the prequels was this: the main Jedi characters (Anakin, Obi-wan, Liam Neeson, Yoda, Sam Jackson) were portrayed as these amazing kick-ass Crouching Tiger-style lightsaber duelists. And yet all the other jedis were portrayed as incompetent bunglers. Not one of them could use their lightsabers. Look in the background of the AOTC colosseum fight and you'l see all these hopeless jedi unable to fight. And in Sith, three of them got run through (almost in slow-motion) by Palpatine without even attempting to defend themselves. Can some one explain?
Is Vegas taking bets on Lucas fucking this up?
by conspiracy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:39:56 AM
I know the bookies are thinking "Indy" is a Sure thing....but remember; this IS Lucas we are talking about...and he hasn't been right in the head since 1980.
I really enjoy the prequels
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
10:40:02 AM
But I think what Star Wars needs most is to die. I'm a huge Star Wars...A New Hope is my favourite movie ever and it's inspired me, just as it has many others in the film industry.

But we've had 6 movies now...for better or worse, the saga is complete. While I'm sure I'll enjoy the tv series, I'd kind of prefer it if Star Wars ended right now, at least for another 10 years.

I wouldn't ever want another movie, unless it was about the ancient Sith war as mentioned in the prequels (throwing out EU, which sucks), but even then I'd have it be something separate...don't call it Star Wars. And don't do it for another decade, if at all.

Anyways I think we've derailed the thread for long enough, let's get back to Indy.

Merriman
by Abominable Snowcone
Feb 6th, 2008
10:41:43 AM
I think Lucas realized with the prequels that he would have to up the ante of the lightsaber fights from the original trilogy. None of those fights were especially quick or graceful. Clearly, with Ray Parks as Maul, Lucas wanted to deliver some serious acrobatic fighting style and make the audience believe that yes, these guys really ARE experts. I suspect the reason that the other jedi in the colosseum appear to fight like dorks is because they're not actually engaged with someone else in a lightsaber battle. Rather, they're up against battledroids and geonesians. They're deflecting blaster bolts and chopping droids in half. There's not a lot of fancy swordsmanship involved there, I'm guessing, because you don't need to use any sword defense against another sword.
Lightsabers in ANH...
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
10:47:23 AM
Here's the funny thing, Terry - I actually find the Obi-wan/Vader duel in ANH to be the most convincing of all the movies for the following reason: they are holding deadly blades of hot energy that look as dangerous to the one holding it as to his opponent. Obi-wan and Vader look to me like two experienced fencers who aren't taking any chances. If you look at real Kendo competitions, the bouts look exactly like this (except a bit faster - because the competitors are younger men). For much of the bout, they are feeling out each others' defences and making very few attacks. There's absolutely nothing flashy - often they are just standing there eyeballing each other! That's how the ANH duel looks to me. This is an old man and a half-robot duelling after all. The leaping around and twirling doesn't work for me as I think it diminishes the danger of the lightsabers.
Lucas is fine
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
10:48:36 AM
He's been making a certain type of movie now since '77, born out of old serials. He didn't screw up the prequels...he made them that way on purpose. But this is also the guy who did THX and American Graffiti...he just needs to get out of "Star Wars" mode. Frankly, I'd like to him do a few different and smaller projects.

You have to remember, Spielberg and Ford both loved Darabonts script, but Lucas rejected it so it went through a rewrite...so the fact that they are shooting means that the current form of the script is something that all three of them liked..that would suggest that it is better than Darabonts draft, which is reason enough to get excited.

Merriman Lyon - why the jedi can't fight
by systemsbroom
Feb 6th, 2008
10:48:36 AM
Because the "plotting" required it. No other reason. The prequels are sloppily written, with events strung together as a chain of expensive effects pieces. There is no logical progression. Why do some jedi die easily? Why do the characters do a pod race? Why does Yoda unreflectively adopt command of a slave clone army? Why does Count Dookoo or whatever exist? Why indeed.
No explanation for that
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
10:50:43 AM
They got taken out real quick. I just don't know about that either. Anyway, I don't even want to think about Samual L Jackson. He was terrible in all those movies just terrible. And I know he's a good actor but he was just the wrong choice for that. What about Yoda? how could he be so stupid? He was the oldest wisest Jedi they had wasn't he? As the story goes in AOTC he just decides to use this Clone army?? This is the same guy that tells Anakin not to fear those that transform into the Force in other word die?? So Yoda gets an entire army of Clone to rescue 2 Jedi and Padme. I think the good of the many out wiegh the needs of the few in this case. But I guess Yoda didn't think so.
Um, not to be a dick
by Frankenbastard
Feb 6th, 2008
10:53:32 AM
but is this really news worthy? It's a tiny pic and it just him dressed like he always is.
the reason is simple
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
10:54:11 AM
It's because McDiarmid did the saber work himself, and he can't move as fast as a stunt double, so that's why the scene at Palpatine's office looks the way it does. There's actually a pretty good re-edit of that sequence on youtube somewhere that fixes a lot of the problems.

The fight between mace and Palpatine actually reminds me of the Ben/Vader duel. It's much more tactical than the other prequel duels, but it does hve the occasional flip.

Indiana Jones and The Truck
by Dr Gregory House
Feb 6th, 2008
10:56:02 AM
"Truck? What truck?!?"
I don't know much about fencing Merriman
by TerryMalloy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:56:45 AM
but that makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is why Obi Wan lets Vader slice him.
Terry..
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
11:01:03 AM
Yeah, I always wondered about that too. And why does Obi-wan disappear into thin air? When I was a kid, I assumed he'd been disintegrated by Vader's lightsaber. Maybe he was.
Best Image yet!
by Proman1984
Feb 6th, 2008
11:03:25 AM
Can't wait to see more!
Obi-wan vanishing act
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Feb 6th, 2008
11:08:36 AM
Probably because they didn't have the fx yet to show him getting sliced up..plus I guess it was a good way for Lucas to show that OBi-wan had transcended death..or something like that
And that's it...
by Merriman Lyon
Feb 6th, 2008
11:08:41 AM
Well, I've been shirking work for several hours because I got interested in the discussion. But I gotta go now. Apologies to anyone I haven't replied to - I have read and enjoyed ALL the posts in the last couple of hours. Respect to everyone for keeping the discussion good-natured and free of abuse.
Seany-Wan
by gotilk
Feb 6th, 2008
11:10:29 AM
You created a better trailer than they ever could have. Hell, your post got me more enthused about this movie than any promotion they've released.
Move along.....
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
11:10:54 AM
Maybe not soon but 10 to 15 years from now I would love to see Lucas pass the torch to someone else to create the final trilogy, (hopfully he'll be wiser then) with Luke passing the torch to the new generation. I didn't ever think they would make another Indiana Jones movie and yet here we are getting ready for a new adventure. Which I believe will be good but we'll see.
It's the super-powers that bother me,
by C.K. Lamoo
Feb 6th, 2008
11:13:28 AM
The Super-Speed at the beginning of Phantom Menace, Yoda Flying, and that ridiculous frog thing fight with General Grevious in ROTS. If the Jedi can levitate, why are they always so afraid of falling?
bacci40, Barry Morse died?
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 6th, 2008
11:13:33 AM
Hell with Indy, this is now a Fugitive/Space: 1999 talkback. Ford was in The Fugtive so there's your connection.
Greigy
by DocPazuzu
Feb 6th, 2008
11:15:31 AM
The problem with many non-Americans today is that because they were raised on American pop culture they seem to believe that they have a say in how that pop culture is created, as if they have a stake in it, as if it's THEIR stories - hence the offense felt which you mentioned.

However, American filmmakers have no obligation whatsoever to cater to this attitude. Do I wish that more American films were made about other facets of the war and history in general? You bet. Do I think a borader canvas should have been employed for SPR and Schindler's List? Hell no. SPR was about Omaha Beach and an American platoon and SL was about Oskar Schindler and the people he was able to save during the war. It doesn't make them lesser films and it sure as hell doesn't make them unfair in any way.

2010 is not 2001....
by Mosquito March
Feb 6th, 2008
11:16:17 AM
...but it's still great. Not only does it have a brilliant ending with the montage of evolution on Europa, it also has one of the hottest megahot chicks in movie history, Natasha Shneider, who gave up acting for music. She hasn't aged well over the last 25 years, but in 2010 - holy shit, man.
There is no final trilogy
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
11:17:22 AM
Lucas got carried away with the success of A New Hope and announced that there would be 9 films, then 12...even 1 at one point. But the story he had was for 9 movies.

But Episodes 7, 8 and 9 have already been released...the storyline of those three films would have involved Luke finding a long lost sister and confronting the Emperor. But it was all condensed into Return of the Jedi, with leia becoming Luke's sister.

When Yoda says "No, there is another" in Empire, it was supposed to be a set up for 7-9, but he was burned out and didnt want to do more movies so he put it all into Return of the Jedi.

The saga is complete.

holy shit a new indiana jones film!
by seabiscuits
Feb 6th, 2008
11:20:53 AM
and i love crystal skulls. now to ease them together juuuust right so nothing is off balance and i can watch this movie everyday in the morning in my pajamas and eat a bowl of cereal and a bottle of whiskey cause i'm an adult.
that should be: even 15 at one point
by vadakinX
Feb 6th, 2008
11:21:16 AM
god i hated that the jedi were so easily killed off
by seabiscuits
Feb 6th, 2008
11:23:30 AM
by palpatine in his office too, i sometimes fantasize there was some time machine where i could go to our awesome alternate universe and steal the awesome versions of the prequels.
Obi Wan learned it
by JLo
Feb 6th, 2008
11:25:24 AM
Obi Wan learned that little trick during that 20 years between ROTS and ANH. At the end of ROTS Yoda tells him about how Qui-Gon came back. Then during the duel in ANH Obi Wan tells Vader "if you strike me down I'll become more powerfull..." I think by him disapearing that was just to show that he didn't really die he just transformed his power so he could be there for Luke.
Merriman Lyon: The kid who was almost Anakin...
by Mosquito March
Feb 6th, 2008
11:25:36 AM
When I watched that kid audition on the TPM DVD with a couple of frie