Let's make it a summer to remember... can I get a HELL YEAAAAA!

Regardless, I'm looking forward to this more than any other film this year, even Dark Knight, I just hope it beats the odds and recaptures the magic, but so far I'm cautiously optomistic. We'll see though. After all, Indy's only a little over three months away...

The pic of the alien crystal skull made me go ??? but there was a supernatural kind of vibe going on in all the movies really what with face melting Arks, Indian voodoo and Imortal Knights so why not!

The backlash for TPM occured because it is FUCKING DREADFUL. There's really no getting around it.

But that's not going to happen because the haters have spent so long trashing the film and refusing to let go of their own private "visions" of the movies, it's impossible for them to now take an objective view and see the film for what it is.

The same applies to fanboys who love the prequels and refuse to see their flaws.

Phantom Menace is a great Star Wars movie...having said that, Lucas sucks at dialogue :P

Indy 4 is looking good...We've had McClane, Balboa and Rambo make successful returns and now Indy...I wonder if in 20 years, Nicholas Cage will make a Con Air 2, if Tom Cruise will return to fight the war of the Worlds once again, if Jeff Goldblum will bring dinosaurs back, if Will Smith will defeat the alien menace once more in Bastille Day...somehow, I doubt it.

We don't have action stars anymore, the Arnies and the Slys of this world are disappearing. Sure, we have action film...but look around...

We have no more action stars or icons...no Indys or Rambos. These films coming out with the old heroes of the screen are like a last goodbye to the action-icon era of cinema.

Will Tobey McGuire be remembered in 20 years as an icon? No...Shia LeBouf? Don't make me laugh...Indy is now all that's left of the icon generation...at least it seems he's going out in style.

Indiana Jones and the Place With Lots of Dust!

If you get over the shite acting, dismal dialogue, hopelessly underwritten characters, dire pacing and so forth, you are still left with the fact that it is downright boring. Which is the cardinal sin of Star Wars. For fuck's sake the "climax" (and I use that term loosely) of the film was a fucking vote of no confidence.

It's still the biggest disappointment of my cinema going life- I sat down feeling a sense of excitement. The lights fall the scrolling words come up and.... it's a tax dispute in the outer rim. It was like buying a porn mag, getting home and finding that some bastard had slipped a copy of the Economist inside the cover.

You know, it could be successfully argued that Empire is about the exact same thing, but that's held up as a masterpiece.

As for pacing...have you not forgotten the long, slow sequence between the droids in the desert and chasing Artoo into the Jundland Wastes?

As for dialogue..hmm..."But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters", the originals have some great dialogue, but also a lot of crap.

As for cgi...well it's not as if Lucas could have shot coruscant on location in New york...oh and for the record, the prequels had hundreds of sets and they did go to various locations. Yes there's a lot of cgi but there was no other way that Lucas could have shot those films...he can't shoot a saber duel at an actual volcano you know.

As for likeable characters...well there's Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, jar j...no, wait...yeah ok, Jar jar was over the top, but Threepio was over the top at times in the originals.

As for the action scenes...how can you not love the podrace, or the saber duel against Maul? In Clones you have the beginning of the Clone Wars, and Sith had a ton of great action...though I will say that the biggest flaw of the prequels is actually what was left out, especially in Clones and Sith, which had a ton of great stuff left o the cutting roo floor, never to see the light of day.

The acting in the originals wasn't that great either...with the obvious exceptions of Guinness, Oz and Hamill (in Empire).

As for the aliens...what were you expecting, ET? Yes, the Gungans were over the top, but what about Watto, Yoda, the Wookiees (with their brief cameos)? Darth Maul was simply cool. He was to the prequels what Boba was to the originals.

Look, I would have made changes...I would have made Anakin older for example...but some of the complaints that people have are just ridiculous.

The prequels were always going to be different...when Obi-wan spoke of the Old Republic, before the Dark Times, in the novelisations you got glimpses of what that old tie was like, and Lucas had been saying for years that the prequels would be different...ut everyone was still shocked when he didn't deliver carbon copies of the originals.

I'll give you an example...the used future look of the originals...people complained because the prequels were shiny and clean...well that was the point...it was the Republic, when things were supposed to be better. Before the galaxy was run down and went into decline over 20 years of Imperial rule.

I remember when menace came out and a lot of people hated all the politics...well, it was obvious (at least to me) that the prequels were going to delve more deeply into the politics of the galaxy than the originals did...in fact the politics paid off with Palpatines eventual rise to the throne as Emperor in Revenge of the Sith. In fact I think the overall plot of the prequels is actually better than the overall plot of the originals...or at least more coherent and less cut and pasted. Is it perfect? No. But it was never going to be.

I have a theory...not sure if it would apply to you, but I think it does for a lot of fans, especially older fans. Back in '77 people went to see Star Wars for the effects and the action...they went because it was something they had never seen before or imagined was possible...but what they got was a great story, and what I consider to be the greatest movie ever made.

Time went on, a lot of the effects became dated, but it didn't matter because the film had a great story with memorable characters and that was the lasting impression...it wasn't the tie fighters and the explosions, it was the story that stuck with people.

So when the prequels came along, the opposite happened...people went to see the films for the story, but what happened was that the effects overshadowed the story...they were overwhelming...instead of listening to what Yoda was saying, people were looking out the window at Coruscant. And yes, Jar Jar is part of that...yes, he was over the top...but try taking your eyes off him. When Anakin and Padme are talking and jar jar is messing around in the background, people automatically looked at jar jar. The effects overwhelmed the story.

Now, the cgi was needed to tell the story Lucas wanted to tell...and you know, I actually think the prequels would have been better received if some of the windows had been closed. Lucas couldn't show you the galaxy back in the days of the originals...in fact those films are actually kind of claustrophobic. The prequels opened the windows and showed you the world outside...but that world was distracting.

Anyways, it's just a theory...I love the prequels as much as the originals, and it doesn't bother me that others don't...everyone has their own tastes and opinions, I'm fine with that.

One thing though...there's an early draft of Phantom Menace, where Obi-Wan finds Anakin himself and the Gungans aren't goofy...that draft is actually better than the final film.

He'd still be my pick to do a WWII Captain America movie.

Schindler's List is arguably his masterpiece, but since then? nope, pretty average to shite stuff.

And before anyone flays me over SPR, I have genuine reasons that I can wheel out, and I'm not for a minute denying that the normandy landing was a staggering piece of film making.

But I'm biased.

As for how much of these wars were shown, sure I'd like to have seen more, though look back at Empire...it has fuck all to do with the rebellion. Yes, you have the battle on Hoth, but after that, it's all about Vaders obsession with Luke.

Even Return of the Jedi, which bring the rebellion to the forefront again, is still a much more personal story with the rebellion being in the background.

If Luke had been killed or turned to the Dark Side on the Death Star, it wouldn't have mattered because lando would still have blown it up and the villains would end up dead anyway...but even so, the rebellion is still just a subplot and the primary focus of the film is all about Luke, Vader and the Emperor.

And one thing the prequels (especially Clones) suffers from is bad editing.

In Revenge of the Sith, there's an iconic shot of Anakin leading the clones up the steps of the Jedi Temple, hood up, lightsaber at the ready...it's one of THE iconic shots of the entire saga.

A great moment, and if you're a Star Wars fan, watching that for the first time...even if you hated everything about the prequels, that shot brought back memories of "A young Jedi named Darth Vader...helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the jedi Knights" and you were going to see it, Anakins betrayal. He was going to walk into the temple and lay waste to the Jedi...Darth Vader, baptised in the blood of the Jedi...

And then it cut away...and that right there is the problem with the prequel trilogy...it's full of great moments, but without the followthrough, without moving forward and taking that next step.

There's another scene at the beginning, during the space battle. We'd waited 20 years for a dogfight to match Return of the Jedi...and the space battle looked cool, but it was all background...Anakin at one point says "I'm going to go help him out" referring to one of the clones who is in trouble...great, a chance for some dogfight action...then Obi-Wan says no? What the fuck?

Great moments in all three films that could have been so much more.

Still love them though :P

The corpse does not look like the Gold Idol

The corpse does look like its from Earth 2

The set looks like Space Mountain

Indy's hat looks like a shovel and his face is clean. whaa?

If the rumors of a Close Encounters link are true, I will insist on a dum DA dum da DUUUUUM music cue somewhere in the film

About that fan-scripted trailer further up the thread, Indy doesn't say 'trust me' - Han Solo says that.

Frankly, looking back...I would have preferred if Lucas had cast Christensen at 14, gone with an older Anakin and let Christensen develop the role over three films rather than two...Hamills first performance as Luke and Christensens first as Anakin are eerily similar (father and son I suppose :P). By the time Empire had come around, Hamill's take on the character had developed significantly and was complete by Jedi, which showed the evolution of the character over the three films.

Christensen was doing pretty much the same, with his character more developed in his second performance. If he had a third movie, I think the evolution of Vader would have been complete across the trilogy.

Honestly, look at the amount of duds to hits and since hook it is way skewed.

Anyway, I've always felt that what made star wars popular was the fact that it was popular--sort of a non-linear network effect of it being in everybody's cultural lexicon. What the prequels did was remind everybody (or me, at least) that there really wasn't a there there.

But we've had 6 movies now...for better or worse, the saga is complete. While I'm sure I'll enjoy the tv series, I'd kind of prefer it if Star Wars ended right now, at least for another 10 years.

I wouldn't ever want another movie, unless it was about the ancient Sith war as mentioned in the prequels (throwing out EU, which sucks), but even then I'd have it be something separate...don't call it Star Wars. And don't do it for another decade, if at all.

Anyways I think we've derailed the thread for long enough, let's get back to Indy.

You have to remember, Spielberg and Ford both loved Darabonts script, but Lucas rejected it so it went through a rewrite...so the fact that they are shooting means that the current form of the script is something that all three of them liked..that would suggest that it is better than Darabonts draft, which is reason enough to get excited.

The fight between mace and Palpatine actually reminds me of the Ben/Vader duel. It's much more tactical than the other prequel duels, but it does hve the occasional flip.

However, American filmmakers have no obligation whatsoever to cater to this attitude. Do I wish that more American films were made about other facets of the war and history in general? You bet. Do I think a borader canvas should have been employed for SPR and Schindler's List? Hell no. SPR was about Omaha Beach and an American platoon and SL was about Oskar Schindler and the people he was able to save during the war. It doesn't make them lesser films and it sure as hell doesn't make them unfair in any way.

But Episodes 7, 8 and 9 have already been released...the storyline of those three films would have involved Luke finding a long lost sister and confronting the Emperor. But it was all condensed into Return of the Jedi, with leia becoming Luke's sister.

When Yoda says "No, there is another" in Empire, it was supposed to be a set up for 7-9, but he was burned out and didnt want to do more movies so he put it all into Return of the Jedi.

The saga is complete.

I agree with you about both Schindler's List and SPR, but my problems with SPR are not that it denigrates the other participants in the war (as far as I'm aware there were no British soldiers at Omaha), but stem from crap scripting, and poor story telling.

It's arrogance and stupidity on behalf of marketing whores in the US, who believe that people will not be interested if there ain't no 'mericans involved.

As for the sub movie, I agree completely. I was horrified when I realized it would be a complete and insulting fabrication of real events. Absolutely inexcusable on every level. I also agree with your assessment of American marketing cunts, and by extension a large portion of the American movie-going public, when it comes to sticking American characters into every fucking thing.

I'll read the rest of your post now.

Some of us liked them. If you didn't like them, then go watch something else and stop WHINING about it all the fucking time. Jeez, you people are like children!

"Wahh! The Jedi were different than I imagined! Wahh! Anakin didn't look like I pretended he looked like when I was playing in the schoolyard! Wahh! He should have looked more like ME! Wahh! I just didn't care about ANYthing! MWAHHHH!!!!!"

Just shut the fuck up already. We get it. You didn't like the prequels. I'm sure you didn't like them SO much that rushed out and bought the DVDs when they became available, and you don't read additional materials based on those films, either. I bet you were so mentally scarred by them, that you can't even talk about them anymore.

Or not. Apparently. Really, guys-- Get the fuck over it and move on. The last one was released in fucking 2005. It's been three years. MOVE ON already! Put down the Darth Vader mask and the Twinkie and find another fucking hobby you dweebs!

I can't speak for every british person, and I know for a fact there is a good amount of daily mail reading cunts out there that do make complaints like griegy, but almost all of the people I deal with on a daily basis don't feel we have a stake in Hollywood- (apart from Alien)

I actually do have a story for the sequels that throws out the Expanded Universe...and deals with a new generation of Skywalkers, pirates and the very core of what the Force is....but while I'm a geek, I'm not geeky enough to share my awesome sequel trilogy treatment until Lucas sees it haha

For example, The Wind that Shakes the Barley, about the Irish war of Independance...most Brits don't have a clue what went on in those days and all through the occupation of Ireland (religious persecution, starvation, oppression etc). Ken Loach, who is British, directed the film and he was branded "a traitor" by the British media for daring to show the truth behind what the British were like in Ireland.

It seems to be a case where the British will embrace the positive elements of their history and complain when that's not awknowledged (and rightly so) but at the same time, they outright dismiss or refuse to accept the negative aspects of British history and attack people who suggest that the British Empire were anything other than civilised and righteous.

It's like they just don't want to know the bad stuff.

However, when your movie open in less than 4 months and audiences still haven't seen a trailer, still photos lose their excitement fast.

Please give us the trailer already. (Why Spiderwick Chronicles? Why?)

Actually, I'm sure that's part of the reason, but it's not a laudable substitute for a trailer that we should have all seen by now. I'm really looking forward to Indy IV, but successive still photos with minor "spoilers" in them is getting tiresome.

On other occasions talkbackers (including me) will bitch and moan about how the interwebs are destroying the anticipation for movies and making jaded cynics of us all. I mean, isn't it a good thing that we're not being Indy'd to death here? Remember having to wait for months at a time in order to get even a tidbit of info in Starlog or some similar magazine? Remember that agonizing suspense? The longing? No?

I really think Spielberg and friends are doing us a favor here. I don't believe for an instant that they don't have faith in the project and are trying to keep our expectations low so that we're disappointed by a sub-par film.

C'mon, give up the hate for at least a couple of months. If it sucks, I'll eat my words and get my hate on right along with you.

...was what I was supposed to type.

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thx for the new pic, abs. i broke the indy-on-crates pic the other day...good thing aicn has folks like us trolling the inter-webs when we should be doing our jobs! ;)

The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far are completely different films compared to SPR in terms of scope and scale.

(2) Yeah, that's a silly site gag but if droids have emotions and independant thought then it's not inconceivable that some could go bad.

(3) The dialog sucks because the characters are politicians and kids raised by virgin monks. But yeah, it's bad.

(4) Did you really expect them to "dumb down" the FX just to match the OT? That's bulllshit.

I think you guys apply a lot of criticisms to the PT that you wouldn't to other films.

The other quality is age. The two of the three leads in any of the three films came off as teens, wheras in the original trilogy, only Luke seemed like a teen and even then only in the first film. Yeah, I realize that Carrie Fischer was actually a teen and was later revealed to be Luke's sister, and thusly, the same age as Luke, but Princess Leah never came off as a child. She seemed about as mature and of similar age as Han, especially in the latter sequels. Basically, what I'm saying is that Lucas should have casted an older Padme, an older Anakin (preferably one in his late teens) and proceeded from there. Instead, we got kid anakin for no reason other than to have the ewok market tapped and a 14 year who we're somehow supposed to believe is capable of leading an entire planet's worth of people when everyone knows we can't even trust a 14 year old with car keys, let alone a planet.

As I'm sure everyone has pointed out, there are a slew of problems with the PT in general, but I'm still a big fan of them as a whole. The odd thing is that some here are actually suggesting that the Phantom Menace is the best, because I have found that most people prefer Revenge. I myself will usually just watch episode 3, 4, 5, and 6 and have found that it plays rather well. In fact, I don't even see the need to watch episode 1 for anything. Do I really need a move to tell me how Anakin joined the jedi or Palpatine came into office? I dont think there is one concept in the Phantom Menace that can't be inferred from the other two. But then, thats probably just me.

You are right in that 1) Phantom Menace accomplishes virtually absolutely nothing plotwise that could not be inferred 2) Sith is the best of the PT 3) A Han Solo-esque character/mature leads were sorely lacking.

The sad thing is that even with some of these changes the films would still not be good.

yep, steve martin used to date anne heche, and she ditched him to try her hand at being a babydyke. isn't the heather graham character a delicious revenge?

As for whether or not the films would be good or not is entirely a personal obversvation on your part and mine. I happen to think that the Phantom Menace is an okay film, ep 2 to be pretty good, and 3 to be on the same level as the OT.

Personally, I think that you would never like the PT because it involves something that you seem to dislike, unreasonably, I might add--CGI. I don' know how old you are, but I am in my forties and was raised on all kinds of movies with all kinds of effects and I can tell you right now that today's effects are infinitely more effective than the ones you pine for. Yeah, there is such a thing as spotty cgi, obviously, but I've found that people like you are too quick to compare the worst cgi/special-effects in a film with the cream-of-the-crop effects of yesteryear, which is a bit disingenuous. You say the effects of Star Wars rip your ability to suspend your disbelief away, but to be perfectly honest, I don't believe a word of it. You can't tell me that you, a fan of science fiction, have been forced to watch all sorts of films with spotty matting, clay-mation, hideous black-outlines, and all-too convenient cutaway reaction shots and your going to sit there and try to explain to me how the notion that these people's eyelines don't match or "plastic" color pallete sours the deal with you? Hell, how can you tell me that its okay for an obvious freeze frame with mismatching eye lines and cut scenes in Star Wars, such as blast doors opening with luke and/or obi looking at the floor or light sabers turning on, but its NOT OKAY for liam's eyes to not quite line up with Jar Jar's for a couple of scenes? Watto's wing flaps look more cartoon-like than the obvious toy-sized imperial walker stop-motion scenes?

The thing is, Terry, even as kids, we all noticed these flaws but we didn't care. We didn't care because our imagination, love of the story, and willingness to suspend our disbelief was such that we simply paid no heed. You may or may not like Star Wars on the basis of characters or plotting, but for you to say it was the effects is rather laughable, to say the least. Me, I actually enjoyed the character of Obi-Wan as portrayed by Ewan much more than I did Alec Guiness. Also, in the third movie and parts of the second, I thought Hayden did a very good job as Anakin. Yeah, it was dodgy and wooden in places, but no less painful in terms of line delivery than that god-awful death star scene where Mark Hamil and Harrison Ford try to argue with each other (some seriously bad acting there). Also, I am and have always been a huge fan of Ian Mcdirmad (sp) and his Emperor character and think his character and any scene with him to be the high point of ALL the star wars films.

Basically, what Im trying to say, is that I'm a fan of the entire Star Wars saga. Yeah, its not perfect, but a lot of those eccentricities make it special. Its a weird little world filled with grandeur AND slapstick, epic, romantic characters AND silly childish characters, and both happiness AND sadness. All in all, its got everything for me, and thats why I like it so. Hell, I even like the Phantom Menace, warts and all. Guess there is no accounting for taste, but I can't really believe I'm all alone in this.

You are right about the OT having that magical something that the PT missed, with the exception of revenge, I think.

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"Keepitogether, keepitogether, keepitogether...!"

On a personal note, my favorite theme in all of Star Wars is the Emperor's theme that first debuted on Return of the Jedi. Dunno why, but that always sounded like the creepiest, most devilish music and was perfect for displaying what I considered to be evil incarnate. Oh, and he had bad teeth, too ;)

My rule is, if I can't hum it, then its not a theme.

the only thing i remember about the JP score is it was the score that trashy ice skater performed to, the skater who broke the other skater's knee with a lead pipe.

The original Star Wars score, Jurrassic Park, Indiana Jones, and Superman. I can never figure out which among those I like best as it varies on any given day.

whoa! waxing a little too poetic, there. although the fact that everybody's throwing around the term 'leitmotif' means we've all gheyed out big time.

I'm not sure if its because I have this huge superman complex or what not, but that character has always been my favorite and it was just such a blast seeing him back in action, crappy luthor plot or no. Deffinitely one of my favorite movie-going experiences in my lifetime.

One of my favorite themes is the theme in Hook when Peter Pan is flying around for the first time and the Captain Hook theme, too. Very playful, sly, and joyful. Movie kinda sucked, but that theme sure was great.

speaking of meh films with good scores, i also have a terribly soft spot for the narnia score. the music for the battle scenes is really tremendous.

As for that lava scene, its not any different from Return of the Jedi where our beloved teddy bears are running to and fro with walkers and "giant" trees all around, to say nothing of the biker chase. In fact, you can tell there are two different layers the moment ANY optical effect takes place, save for teh ones that have been "cleaned up" by digital computers.

As for certain images having too much detail and not actually appearing to be something in the background, well, all I can say is rewatch the Hoth scene in empire. Everytime you see a pilot, he's got speeders in the background and none of them have any depth at all, a common problem among optical effects.

Look, I get what your talking about when it comes to bad cgi and scenes appearing to have no depth, but I dont see how its any different from a bunch of people running around something thats obviously enhanced optically. Yeah, I realize that cgi takes a lot of the inventive nature of past effects out of the equation, but due to its inherent superiority concerning depth of field, detail, and movement, I dont see how someone can label it inferior without the charge ringing a bit hollow.

Also, I remember when I first watched A New Hope in the theater with my folks, and I remember that was a main complaint with that film, too. "There's too much stuff going on!" my mom would say, and to a certain extent, she was right. We were all so busy watching the backgrounds, the droids, the saber blades, the costumes, that quite often we didn't pay attention to entire scenes filled with dialogue! Nowadays it seems like A New Hope has this leisurely pace, but back then, that sucker seemed a bit manic, especially the editing!

You are right, though, about the composition of the PT: they are much busier. I guess I kinda like it that way, though, because to me, it just adds a certain sense of realism. I even prefer the Special Edition version of A New Hope for that very reason. A populated, crowded Mos Eisley looks far more realistic to my eyes than the ghost town that I saw when i was a kid. But thats just my opinion, you understand. I've met just as many people, all my age, who prefer the films the way they saw them. Its a toss up, I guess.

a busy frame is a tricky wire to walk. the problem with CG is that because you CAN fill the frame, directors tend to want to, and the result can be messy. i guess it comes down to the skills of the filmmakers and how they execute their shots, and what's best for telling the story. but, then, there are plenty of films out there that used actual armies instead of digital ones to get massive crowd shots, which could be construed as 'realism' even if it IS too overwhelming.

What I'm driving at here, as you have no doubt guessed, is that your perception of effects and the films, such as Star Wars, that use them is entirely colored by nostalgia; its subjective. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, either, because Lord knows I'm the same way when it comes to other aspects of film, like today's seemingly mindless need to use hand held cameras and not lock those suckers down! But I digress. I've a hunch that twenty years from now, those star wars prequels will be loved just as much as the OT films; just as revered by the masses of kids-turned grownups as the OT is to us old codgers.

See, all this debating over cgi versus stop-motion aside, Lucas, in his infinite...wisdom, couldn't even be bothered to film an actual stormtrooper/clonetrooper in his PT. Using old school effects, mixed in with a little modern-day composite work, all Lucas had to do was film a few guys in stormtrooper outfits and multiply them at his leisure, which would have made them appear realistic and, well, like clones. Instead, and for no reason other than because he could, he chose the far more expensive route by digitally creating fake troopers and compositing the same human head on each trooper, making them all look disjointed, poorly compositied, and very cartoonish. A perfect example that explains the point of view made by Occula and Lyons: the lack of discipline by modern film makers.

So far, judging by War of The Worlds, I think Spielberg is the only guy who still follows his "old-style" approach of less is more. He showed remarkable restraint considering he has the cloute and ability to make a 300 million dollar production if really wants to.

Likewise, I'm not saying my opinion is worthless or inaccurate or just plain wrong, its simply not as informed or experienced in said area as yours, which is the truth.

That said, I also agree with Occulla--I have yet to meet a brit who visited the states who didn't profusely appologize for that whole oppression of the colonies, business. I personally find the Brits to be very charming, witty, and frankly, a breath of fresh air in the US and our McCulture of instant everything, hold the witt and decorum if you please. Quite the breath of fresh air indeed.

do you race your bike or just ride around like the fonz, picking up chicks and popping wheelies? i know, my ignorance amuses you.

By the way, not only did I hate that movie for such nonsense, but since I also despise nascar racing, I can readily say that I hated that film for its subject matter, too.

Besides, I much prefer him when he's in, ironically, his little navy suit. Thats right, you can't handle truth. Hail Xenu!

Danny something. I know it was Danny something. I guess I'm only half ghey.

Of course, in my experience, a cigarette is only good when you light it off the barrel of a freshly fired m-109. Just my personal opinion is all.

i have to jet, sadly; asta!

Doubly dubious.

Tom- SPR is not a good film for so many reasons,

Bill Murray- Get fucked, the English do not claim credit for cracking Enigma, we claim it for many other things, but not that one. The reason U-571 is offensive is that it rerwites history in a revolting way making the real heroics of the Royal Navy (which is a great story in its own way) redundant in favour of strapping Americans. Totally different.

VadakinX and Mrbarely- you are so fucking wrong about the British, the Empire is seen as something dark and shameful that we get our fucking faces rubbed in daily- I think we are unique among the colonial powers for this (the recent attempts to make us apologise for fucking slavery for gods sake)- we are well aware of the bad stuff- whatever the Daily Mail might say. The Empire is literally not taught in schools (or at least in the one I work in). To say that we have this rose tinted view of it is completely untrue, we either have no knowledge at all, or just the bad stuff (Slavery). This infuriates me, as I was taught 19th century history- so from an early age I was well aware of our sins in this regard, and I think it is a shame that it isn't taught properly. I also feel no need to apologise for it, and find the constant beating of the English with it repulsive and offensive. But again, it is seen that it can't be prejudiced and offensive if it is against the English.

On that Churchill thing, I call shenanigans on that poll, but if it were true I wouldn't be surprised- the way history is taught in schools is dreadful and churchill would most likely be omitted (shamefully). If they did the poll in some horrible sink estate with a comprehensive school populated by hoddie wearing vermin then they may get this result. However, he is a relatively recent figure, and is referenced a hell of a lot, so therefore I think that poll is bollocks. Mind you, we are the nation that nearly voted Princess FUCKING Diana as The Greatest Briton that ever lived (Scandalous).

Travis, I too nearly cried when I first heard that score in SR. And then I really did cry over the 3 pints of beer that the money I squandered on that piece of shit could have bought.

I'm not defending the dreadful Enigma, which wiped the polish geniuses from history to deify Turing, and I know we are guilty of it as well.

Fuck it, the creative world's full of arseholes.

Although LSD may be. It's still being researched

I do love me some Zulu, though

You know that famous "Superman fucking" dialogue in Mallrats. Well, Kevin Smith wrote that after he saw 2true bang a hooker TO DEATH.

I'll go and find it.

WTF?!

"...because if some shitheel tapped me on the shoulder and made a snotnosed comment like that, he'd be typing his asinine garbage with a pencil stuck in his mouth."

He's my hero

The fact that it can degenerate into a flame war, or a bear thread, or a personal slanging match between TB'ers is what makes TB great. He seems to wish it would be more like the zone.

Ain't nowt wrong with the zone, but it just isn't as amusing or compelling as the TB's are.

anybody remember that tool's name?

He'll be back, the vile fascist.

I was really cross with myself

First he fracks his own franchise, and now Indy. Great. Just great.

And to "Boney Moronie" concerning the prequel trilogy surpassing the original trilogy "in so many ways": You're a stupid moron.

INDY: That won't be necessary.

JAR-JAR: But, tis demanded by the GODS, tis!

INDY: (pulling out revolver) No really, that won't be necessary.

PADME: It's because I'm so in love with you.

ANAKIN: No, I'm so in love with YOU!

GRIEVOUS: Surely you realized you are DOOMED!

KENOBI: Oh, I don't think so.

Here's what SHOULD have been said.

PADME: I love you. That's all.

ANAKIN: Whatever happens, I boned you. And that makes me a very lucky man indeed. Can you remind me how lucky I am?

GRIEVOUS: Enough of you, Jedi.

KENOBI: Gimme your best shot, bitch. I'll take those arms and ram them up your ass.

Maybe instead "moronie" is an affectionate diminutive of "moron." Kinda like "dude" and "dudette."

wow, I'm totally awed by your gargantuan stupiditity

I bet you liked Meet The Spartans.

I've been working like mad this week and haven't had much of a chance to participate in the TBs, but I think we need to start all the Indy movie quotes again.

For some reason I read "Marv Levy", but thought "Marv ALBERT" and started wondering why Variety was printing his Valentine's Day plans...which suprisingly DIDN'T include biting an underage hooker during sex.

Then I realized it was different people altogether and that my mind must be scrambled from working too much this week.

I really want to see the Indy trailer on the big screen, but I really don't like the idea of paying $24 bucks for my fiance and I to get into Spiderwick just to see it.

"Original Trilogy: analog garbage. Prequel Trilogy: Sleek, CG greatness"

My god, I think even NoDiggity would disagree with a statement that asanine.

So, why no advance teaser?

"mouth-breathing Geeks"...as opposed to those of us who strictly use gills?

Based on your very first post up there, I'd say you must be trying to get negative attention because there's no way you can possibly believe "Lucas has been churning out far better material than he did in the 70's and 80's" and mean it.

And the substance of those properties just don't match that found in American Graffiti, the OT, or even THX 1138 (which DOES feel dated, but is still a deeper movie at heart without all kinds of "flashy" effects.)

He still seems less "in your face" sicne he got banned (though it obviously hasn't deterred him from coming back with a recognizable handle).

The Bond TB seems abandoned, leadin gme to beleive he'll pop up on another TB, if he hasn't already.