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I just got off the phone with Jim Belushi...
by Uncle Stan
Feb 5th, 2008
06:09:58 AM
Is Obama the sexiest tomboy beanpole around?
Kurt Russel approves of OBAMA
by vini77
Feb 5th, 2008
06:11:41 AM
So I'm down too
It's about the only single thing you owe society
by KazamaSmokers
Feb 5th, 2008
06:12:12 AM
You have no excuse for not voting. And a real moral obligation to do it.
Lets get out and vote!!
by Zino
Feb 5th, 2008
06:12:58 AM
"Let's make our voices heard. We've been given the right to choose between a doooouche and a tuuuuuurd!'
Harry has chosen Obama and here's why...
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
06:17:58 AM
?
We have given up
by vikingkitty
Feb 5th, 2008
06:18:42 AM
I'm sorry to say conservatives have given up on the presidency this election. I don't know how things turned out so badly. On the bright side, a few years of anti-business, borderline socialist incompetence from the democrats should really tank the stock market for several years. Those of use under 40 should prepare for great buy and hold opportunities.
WELCOME TO LET'S PATRONISE THE READERSHIP...!!!
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 5th, 2008
06:25:14 AM
WELCOME TO LET'S PATRONISE THE READERSHIP...!!!
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 5th, 2008
06:25:16 AM
Obama
by rosasaks
Feb 5th, 2008
06:33:13 AM
Hilarious segment on one of the news channels last night. One of those political focus groups had just been waxing lyrical about Barack Obama for several minutes, saying how much they loved him, when one of the studio anchors asked them collectively to name something they respect him for accomplishing. Cue the sound of the focus groups' jaws all dropping through the floor as it dawned on them that they couldn't think of a single answer, and that they knew next to nothing about the guy they had just been fellating and wanted to elect president, apart from the vague notion that they kind of like the idea of him personally. This is why Clinton absolutely demolishes him during substantive debates, yet nobody appears to notice. This election is AT LEAST four years too early for him. He should be vice president.
Fuck Ron Paul! David Palmer for Prez!
by Stalkeye
Feb 5th, 2008
06:33:19 AM
Er, I meant Obama..sowwies.
Last day of Ron Paul spam
by Mullah Omar
Feb 5th, 2008
06:34:31 AM
My hope is that after voters in all of today's 24 states shun him, people will put down their crack pipes and focus on real candidates.
I HEART HUCKABEE!
by newc0253
Feb 5th, 2008
06:39:13 AM
no, really i don't. i was just saying that cause this is a movie site and that's some funny shit right there.
CLINTON ALL THE WAY
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
06:54:18 AM
Only because that will drive some of the wingnuts Talkbackers to suicide, and that's the most important thing on my agenda.
This message paid for by the Barak Obama campaign
by Halloween68
Feb 5th, 2008
06:56:27 AM
...
GORE / HAGEL 08
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
06:57:09 AM
Mark my words this will happen. I'm using The Secret to make them run independently.
WASHINGTONIANS PORTRAIT
by Gunslinger1919
Feb 5th, 2008
07:01:43 AM
I needed to laugh this morning...this had me on the floor BRINGINGSEXYBACK. I just recently saw THE WASHINGTONIANS. If you haven't seen it, it portrays the founding fathers as cannibals. In it there's a painting that Washington commissioned once he became president. It's him eating flesh surrounded by bare breasted, blood covered women. So my friends and I have been playing a game. What would the painting of each of our candidates be like. Personally I think Hillary's painting would portray her eating some muff with her hubby getting a BJ in the background... OBAMA ALL THE WAY! --G
I KINDA LIKE MCCAIN
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
07:02:56 AM
and if it weren't for Bush utterly ruining this country for the last 8 years and the Republican party transforming itself into a hotbed of NeoCon lapdogs, Fox fuckups, robber barons and self-hating hypocritical homosexuals, I might consider him. But the Reps need to clean house in a big way before they get a shot at the WH.
We are not going to have a Muslim President
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
07:06:45 AM
Not now. Not ever. PERIOD.
this could be a very funny TB
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
07:08:42 AM
or it could degenerate into a spamfest of unfunny headlines.

That portrait idea is brutal- I personally see Blair being painted deep-throating Uncle Sam, and his successor Brown as Fagin with his hands in everyone's pockets- whilst being simultaneously cornoled by Sarkozy.

and in america
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
07:09:38 AM
I think an ace portrait of the current incumbent would literally be as a monkey struggling to unpeel a banana.

Yuo know this to be true, although I suppose these are more cartoons,

If Hilary doesn't get the delegates today
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
07:09:56 AM
Will she cry again?
holeeeee shit...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 5th, 2008
07:10:27 AM
Talkback gonna 'SPLODE!
GUNSLINGER
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
07:12:48 AM
That must be a commentary on how Bush/Cheney and the Republicans have utterly cannibalized our country. Have you seen Bush's "plan" to solve the economic crisis? He infused it with the most insanely optimistic forecasts. The man is an Enron accountant.
Sick Fixx is an ass
by thebadsleepwell
Feb 5th, 2008
07:18:03 AM
Charming sir. Charming.
Viking Kitty
by thebadsleepwell
Feb 5th, 2008
07:20:21 AM
Yes, because the conservatives have done a fantastic job with our economy and our country! Way to go! I miss Georgy Boy already
No Muslim Prez this time around for a logical reason
by MikeO
Feb 5th, 2008
07:21:16 AM
Namely, there aren't any running. Sick - Obama ain't Muslim. Don't let his Muslim father's naming and the right-wing smearmails fool you. He's a practicing Christian. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Barack_Obama) can tell you that and a whole lot more about him that is, you know, the truth.
ROSASAKS
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
07:21:55 AM
There was a segment on Bill Maher where a CNN correspondent was interviewing women in a salon that caters to a black clientele. All of them supported Obama, and they gave reasons that had more to do with personality and assumptions about his character than anything to do with his proposals and policies. They're like Oprah, whom I despise deeply. If Obama is a worthy candidate, then let him earn his support on the issues, not the color of his skin. To vote *because* he's black is as bad as voting against him for the same reason.
Animal Structure Sucks Ass
by messi
Feb 5th, 2008
07:23:41 AM
I had to say it.
Ahhh...political insight from the same people who brought you...
by zacdilone
Feb 5th, 2008
07:25:07 AM
..."LIKE A PUSSY THAT EATS YOU OUT!" Nothing sweeter.
HIllary = Robot.
by Judge Briggs
Feb 5th, 2008
07:25:21 AM
Swear I saw her in the background of the future war in T2. She is a cyborg, no denying that! Still, way better than our dunce of a prez Bush.
VIKINGKITTY KNOWS SHIT ABOUT ECONOMICS
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
07:26:16 AM
That's the only explanation for why he/she/it would think things are fine under Bush. If Bush was a bookkeeper his boss would take him into the alley for fucking up so bad. But no, people think he's just swell. Fucking tools.
If Obama is given the nomination we get 4 more years of a Red pr
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
07:26:28 AM
Let's put a democrat on the ticket who can actually win this thing eh?
Barack Saddam Hussein Obama Bin Laden-damadingdong.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
07:27:18 AM
Hilary = sobbing idiot
by Steve Rogers
Feb 5th, 2008
07:33:18 AM
Seriously, what is she going to do when trade talks get nasty or the President of China gives her shit? Turn on the water-works? PUH-LEAZE.
ROMNEY WAS ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
07:36:45 AM
touting Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity's endorsements. McCain couldn't have asked for better.
socialist health care plans? Kind of like..SOCIAL SECURITY.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
07:42:43 AM
And Medicare and Medicaid! GASP! America is turning into Communist China!!! Run for your lives!!!
Vote or Die, mutha@$#!
by kafka07
Feb 5th, 2008
07:46:31 AM
As if we weren't doomed either way.
I choose Jack Johnson over John Jackson and here's why
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
07:48:16 AM
Sorry had to throw in a Futurama joke.
Stan Gable
by HEADGEEK
Feb 5th, 2008
07:49:18 AM
That's because the policy differences between Hillary and Obama are not that different. The bills that Obama co-sponsored in the Senate are the subject matters I care most about... Environment, Care for invalided troops, election fraud. Then - as for Hillary - I remember that she and Bill ran on the promise of UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE throughout their election to get Bill president - and then when she was put in charge - she allowed the Republicans to completely out-flank her and totally screwed the pooch on that subject matter. --- BUT the defining line to me is to have a leader who can inspire CONFIDENCE in the government, the electoral process and can project intelligence and growth as a country to the greater world we live in. It'd be nice to have a president that wants to reach across the party lines to build a coalition here at home, as well as abroad.
STAN GABLE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
07:50:25 AM
My crotch ain't exactly dripping with excitement on the Left side of the aisle but I'm being pragmatic about my choices. I'd back McCain if your party weren't so utterly in shit. I don't know if you're a NeoCon but if you're a true Conservative you'd want your party just cleaned out. I wish the Dems had better candidates but we work with what we've got. Anyway the Illuminati have chosen Hillary so that's that.

About Hillary's vote - let's clear that up for the millionth time. Post 9/11, the Dems rallied around the President in a patriotic fashion. Their vote was to give Bush leverage to pressure Hussein into capitulation, not an outright endorsement for an invasion. Because face it, Bush is a madman no one saw coming (but they should have, if they had done their homework on the NeoCons who had already infilitrated the Administration).

As for wages being slashed to support universal health care ... those McCarthyite scare tactics are so worn out. Bush has slashed taxes for the wealthy while drawing up a new economic plan that will drive our nation further into record debt, caused untold miliary and civilian casualties, tried to hand over Social Security to the same banks that caused a financial crisis (with more news of losses in the consumer and corporate credit sectors to come), ETCETERA ... and that's the best you've got on Clinton? Get real.

Universal health care??
by kafka07
Feb 5th, 2008
07:54:07 AM
Yeah right, what kind of country do you think this is? Next thing you know, you'll be demanding public schools, and garbage pick-up, social security, food stamps, etc. Damn communists. Suck it up, we need all those trillion$ of tax dollars for the war and the wealthy.
Garnish my wages?
by tonagan
Feb 5th, 2008
07:55:15 AM
Mmmmm... garnish...
I'm not voting today. Why, do you ask?
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
07:56:22 AM
Because the election is in November. I'm an independent. I always have been. Sometimes I vote for a Democrat, sometimes a Republican. I voted for Ross Perot when he was running (dating myself here). Bottom line is I vote for the candidate who is the best person for the job. I don't care about their party, race, sex, I vote for who I think will do the best job.
Obama
by jaweekes
Feb 5th, 2008
07:56:28 AM
I voted for Obama. I like his views on immigration (I'm from the UK originally, so it matters to me). He has a solid tech stance (He wants net neutrality ), and many more topics (including Iraq). He IS different from Clinton in a lot of his views, and I think he will be the man to get things done, as he is not against talking to the other side (he's done it before) and compromising on issues to get shit done.
Preston/Partridge '08
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
07:57:18 AM
Time for a change in government.
STAN GABLE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
07:58:15 AM
How do you know Social Security won't be there? What in the hell are you talking about? Don't tell me. You bought Bush's line that was used to scare the public into handing Soc Sec over to the private sector. That disaster averted would have been the greatest financial heist in history.
We all keep society up and running.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
07:58:35 AM
Face it and if you don't want to contribute to the greater good then get the hell out of this country. We pay taxes to fund the government to keep our way of life going. Don't like it go somewhere else. The truth is theirs a little bit of socialism in our democractic capitalistic society, its necessary but kept in check. Thank goodness I don't work at Burger King and my decent salary at my brokerage firm keeps me living just fine.
Seriously though if there was a Clinton/Obama
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
08:00:01 AM
ticket or Obama/Clinton ticket it would be unstoppable. I don't think it would be good for this country. Obama maybe, Clinton, absolutely not. If Obama wins the Democratic primary I don't think Hillary would want the VP spot if offered. She does not want to be second to anybody, and in four or eight years I don't see her running again for the top spot.
Oh and my dad is retired. I'm glad my check goes to pay for his
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
08:00:58 AM
Do you realize how much money we send to other countries for aid and yet we have so many Americans living under the poverty level? Go to the Appalachia regions of the south and you'll swear that you've flown to some small third world country.
I SUPPORT JOE JOHNSTON FOR PRESIDENT
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
08:02:00 AM
because he directed Mighty Joe Young and everyone is brainwashed into thinking he didn't except me and Anchorite. It's another conspiracy in a long line of conspiracies.
knowthyself, all the complainers about
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
08:03:04 AM
Socialism don't get what you just said. There is a little bit in our society. Unemployment benefits, social security, health programs for the poor. As long as it is kept in check, and the money is not wasted, but used for good, a little socialism is a good thing. Are there any Canadians out there who would like to chime in on the free healthcare by the government? I've heard good things and bad things about it.
RON PAUL!
by StrokerX
Feb 5th, 2008
08:05:36 AM
Is the man though....you all know it to be true. Ron Paul for Jesus 08'!
I can't imagine the fools who fought against free education.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
08:05:39 AM
Probably the same fools who fought against national healthcare. "Why should I pay for your child to go to school for free?" I don't know because its a right every person should have? Just like the right to healthcare without paying $20,000 for that MRI you needed?
Minorities losing affirmative action is not a
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
08:07:03 AM
bad thing Stan. This is the 21st century. We don't have slaves out there picking cotton. Like MLK said people should be judged by their character, not color. Pick the best person for the job; black, white or green. Sex is irrelevent; man, woman, hermaphrodite - pick the best person for the job.
"Change"
by rosasaks
Feb 5th, 2008
08:07:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =D8gLYZV6Z4g&NR=1#
WHAT HAPPENED TO HUCKABEE?
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
08:08:10 AM
I guess the Chuckinator ain't that great an endorsement after all.
There are good and bad things about Socialised Health
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
08:08:36 AM
but, really, the good outweigh the bad.

I find it astounding that there isn't a "State Health Service" in America.

It's really, really strange,

I'm surprised no one's used the Cthulu joke
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
08:08:43 AM
Why choose the lesser of two evils.
GRAMMATON SPEAKUM TRUTH
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
08:10:03 AM
Ditch Affirmative Action. Too many slackers making it through the system. If you can do the job, you're hired. If you're gonna sleepwalk through it, find work with someone dumb enough to hire you. Nuff said.
What Election Day 2008 Means to Me (at the moment)
by HillaryLovesMe
Feb 5th, 2008
08:11:04 AM
1. It means that the GOP is no longer the conservative party, at least in terms of such obsolete conservative issues like national sovereignty, fiscal minimalism, and individual rights. Of all the Republican candidates only Ron Paul has consistently stood for those things; but except for a handful of conservatives most GOP voters are desperately trying to distance themselves from his supposed radicalism. Ronald Reagan might have disapproved of bits of Paul's agenda, but he would have firmly supported him over the other bottom-feeders he's going up against. The GOP has since 9/11 transformed into a party of xenophobes who are willing to hand over the rest of their agenda to leftists in order to concentrate on the dubious dual policy of sealing up the US border like a new Maginot Line and engaging in excitingly expensive foreign adventures. This is sickening to anyone who was once a conservative Republican, like myself. (I'm either a libertarian or an anarcho-capitalist, depending on how much conservatives irritate me with their stupid, self-righteous hypocrisy.) *** 2. It means that Democrats will yet again staunchly stick by the mush-brained belief that "compromise" isn't just a euphemism for "selling out" (which it is). Luckily for Democrats, the Democrat notion of compromise means "demonizing Republicans until they cave in". When Obama bin Liberal says he wants to reach across party lines and unite America, he means he wants to shame whites, males, employers, gun owners, the wealthy, and Christians into abandoning their principles. This is leftist power politics, as driven by Harry Knowles's beloved populism. *** 3. It means that as always in a representative democracy, the majority gets to shove around the minority, thanks to the democratic belief that whatever the majority of voters want is sacred. No matter how stupid, prudish, intolerant, or blatantly acquisitive those wants are. We're told that it's so righteous and noble to mug one group and "redistribute" the loot to another group. But who is saying this? The politicians, on the one hand, who get to indulge in the most exultant drug known to humankind: the power to control other human beings. And on the other hand, the voters, who get free stuff they didn't pay for. Is it any wonder why those in power are going to expound on the eternal virtues of a system of which they are the direct beneficiaries? A simple study of human nature suggests that the ability of humans to rationalize their actions is highly efficient. However. We are told, fairly enough, that anyone who has a personal interest in a policy is biased -- e.g., Halliburton's lobbyists in Washington. But what are voters but people with an obvious biased personal interest? A Christian voter has an interest in coercing the love of Jesus onto others. A welfare-receiving voter has an interest in getting free money. A welfare-advocating voter has an interest in feeling self-righteous about being the savior of the people. All these biased individuals have several things in common. For one, they have no scruples about shoving their moral values onto others. What is compassion? A conservative and a liberal will staunchly disagree, but both will eagerly insist that they have the power to coerce other people into obeying their moral beliefs. (They will each accuse the other of being bad people, of course. This is the only valid way of justifying the coercion.) Modern politics can be divided into two categories of policy: moral prudery, and acquisitiveness. Say you're a member of a certain religion, or at least a philosophy; is it tolerance to demand that everyone else obey what you feel is the one and only true path to compassion and justice? A sincerely tolerant person will say no, and will denounce the modern political process. A bigot won't care about the question, and will vote in November. Acquisitiveness, I mentioned above; it relates to the ability of people to justify anything that benefits themselves personally. What is carefully left out of all the wonderful-sounding rhetoric extolling welfare is the consent of those paying for it all. Are people who disagree with welfare "greedy"? Again, a shameless bigot would say "Yes, of course; such people disagree with me, and are therefore evil people." In a democracy like ours, it is impossible to disagree without being a bad person. If you oppose economic regulation and taxation, then you're a "greedy" person who hates poor people. If you oppose state-funded abortions for 14-year old girls, then you are a misogynist. If you oppose public education, then you hate children. If you oppose immigration controls, then you hate Anglo-Saxon culture. If you oppose affirmative action, then you hate blacks, Hispanics, and women. If you oppose the Patriot Act, then you're a traitor. If you oppose the War on Terror, then you're an Al Qaeda sympathizer. The list goes on, my friends, ad infinitum. (And people wonder why politics routinely gets so nasty.) Self-interest and moral intolerance come together as squalid zealotry in the democratic process. A group as large as the American population will never agree on anything. Barack Obama will never convince all Americans to agree with him. The most he can do is get elected to force the dissenters to pretend to agree with him. And is that really a united America, in which one group gloatingly gets to order around another group, which has to obey or get locked up like the uncivilized animals that they are? The election in 2008 means that the American people will get what they want, but will still lose.
Obama:
by call7000
Feb 5th, 2008
08:13:53 AM
The only candidate who's talked for a year and a half and said absolutely nothing. I dislike Hillary as well, but at least she has something more to add to the debate than lame clicje's about "hope" and "change". i'll be voting Romney. The only guy approaching a responsible adult in this whole mess. Plus? He'll keep your taxes low. GOTV.
I live in Seattle
by BadMrWonka
Feb 5th, 2008
08:15:28 AM
someone here went around to all the Ron Paul signs, cut out the 'u', flipped it upside down and used it to cover the 'o', so that every sign said Ru Paul.

pretty fucking funny.

and where is AnimalStructure? guess he doesn't get up this early. stayed up late writing his treatise on how Southern Conservative saved the civil rights movement.

(and I wish I were joking, but he really does believe it)

i'm voting for pie!
by BMacSmith
Feb 5th, 2008
08:15:30 AM
again
I got a creepy McCain phone msg
by gotilk
Feb 5th, 2008
08:15:47 AM
Talking about more nutbags being appointed to the supreme court... clap-trap about values (I'll get mine at Costco, thank you very much... cause yours mostly suck).. and more clap-trap about the war against extremist Islam. First of all, almost everything the supreme court has done in the past few years has been nuttier than anything even the most liberal court has decided on in the last 20 years. Secondly, if "values" wasn't a code word for "I'm going to shape the law based on the beliefs of religious extremists", I'd be cool with it. But it IS a code word. Thirdly, as much as I personally despise religion, a "war against" any religion, extreme faction or not, is utterly stupid and alienates in most cases half the world. We need less of that and more kicking the asses of individual nutbags. Let Islam work itself out. Give it some space along with fewer reasons to hate us and it just might. I really rooted for McCain. And I do realize he's really going for those people's votes right now, so I kind of understand. But man, he just about shit on every reason I liked him with that single voice mail. Bad form.
Health care is not a "right"
by call7000
Feb 5th, 2008
08:15:59 AM
Point that one out for me in the constitution please. Must be in the same article that talks about a right to abortions.
Kurt Russel approves of OBAMA
by Dr. Stanley Goodspeed
Feb 5th, 2008
08:19:56 AM
thanks vini77... that just made up my mind for me.
Education is not a right.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
08:20:56 AM
Lets abolish the public school system. Better yet lets abolish social security...watch the old people vote against whoever is for that bit of insanity. While were at it lets get rid of garbage pick up. Thats not a right. Take your own damn garbage to the sanitation department. No one has a right to anything. Everyone for themselves. In fact we shouldn't even pay taxes. Your son is retarded...sorry we shouldn't have to pay for his special education. Your mom is retired? Sorry get her ass back to work were not paying for it. Oh you just got fired? Sorry were not paying you for that. You have no right to money just because your unemployed.
only in an AICN talkback...
by BadMrWonka
Feb 5th, 2008
08:23:32 AM
can you find people across the spectrum of political ideology coming together. from those that know nothing about conservative politics, to those who know nothing about liberal politics. and everyone in the middle regurgitating something from one of their freshman college courses.

it's truly a thing of beauty. collective ignorance is a great means for togetherness. from "hillary is a robot" to "obama has no voting record" to "democrats are socialists" to "I'm voting for Ron Paul"...ALL THE IDIOTS ARE HERE!!!

it's a political down-syndrome free-for-all!!

have a great Super Tuesderrrrrrrrrr

You want to live in the country ....
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
08:24:17 AM
...that allows your six figure salary? Well then you better contribute to it thats for damn sure.
When you vote for the US, you vote for the world.
by ChadMaul
Feb 5th, 2008
08:24:38 AM
I am Scottish, our politicians have very little impact on the world. Even if I classed myself as British the influence we have in the world only marginally increases. You are Americans, your politicians shape the free world, and in doing so have a hand in the how the rest follow suit. Please go out and vote, and vote Obama or Hilary, but not McCain. The world of politics needs at least a token gesture (African-American or Woman) to leap forward into the 21st centuary.
hillary loves me
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
08:25:16 AM
Having waded through that ill thought out diatribe, I have to ask one question: are you anti-democracy? Because that's sure as fuck what you appear to be.
Obama is more than optimism...
by ConquestMelee
Feb 5th, 2008
08:25:44 AM
The majority of attacks against Barack Obama point to his "empty rhetoric" and "inexperience". Both allegations are completely false. His policies have been outlined on the campaign trail, on the internet (www.barackobama.com), and in an endless amount of debates. To give a brief summation, he promotes an improved foreign policy with greater diplomacy and a controled withdrawl from Iraq. He offers a Health Care plan that, through subsidies, will be affordable to every American. With the economy in peril, he offers a comprehensive plan addressing the burdens faced by a 21st century middle class. In fact, every issue imaginable is addressed in his outlined policy on www.barackobama.com . Now, for the inexperience issue. Obama excelled at Harvard, earning a law degree and becoming the first African-American to be named President of the Harvard Law Review. He took that experience and used it to fight for the working man. As a community organizer, he brought competing interest together on common ground to make progress for those in need. At the same time, he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. With such an extensive knowledge of government & the needs of the people, the next obvious step was elected office. In the Illionis State Legislature, Obama worked with both parties to fix Health Care, along with many other issues. (See Outlined State Record at www.nytimes.com/imagepages/200 7/07/ 29/us/politics/ 20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html) For Change rooted in logic and the right experience, choose Barack Obama as our next President. Harry knows what I'm talking about. Its just difficult to get people to listen beyond the rhetoric. In any event, happy voting to all! SEE "Tomorrow for Obama" at... www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaZiH- gDVVk
"Lets abolish the public school system"
by call7000
Feb 5th, 2008
08:26:32 AM
Wow. In a load of crap you managed to make one good point. Well done, genius.
Just say no to shrill hypocrites in ugly pantsuits
by SpyGuy
Feb 5th, 2008
08:28:16 AM
Do you really want four to eight years of Hillary and Bill telling you how to act, talk, walk, think and essentially control every facet of your existence? C'mon, people...Enough with the co-dependency already.
Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate
by rainbowtrout1265
Feb 5th, 2008
08:28:56 AM
So how is he not partisan? FWIW, I'm a Conservative who would prefer Hillary if I had to choose between the two. At least she would have some balls regarding issues of national defense. Obama is a cupcake who would get rolled.
Obama's bin laden.
by Catnip_Thieves
Feb 5th, 2008
08:31:28 AM
Earlier today, presidential candidate Barrack Obama was seen visibly upset at the state of his wheelie refuse receptacle, which was full and had yet to be collected. More on this as it breaks.
VOTE FSM 2008!
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Feb 5th, 2008
08:36:37 AM
SEARCH THY HEART
Hilary's the cupcake!!!
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
08:37:34 AM
Twice now she's cried in public when she hasn't gotten her way. She is revealing herself to be too feminine for the job. She obviously can't handle pressure like she thought.
Don't vote FSM in 2008.
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
08:39:18 AM
There's only one candidate. VOTE FOR A DOSE OF TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION to the white house.
I'd like to see Obama take the reigns because....
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
08:39:23 AM
It would just be a huge phlegm-encrusted spit in the face for all the in-bred racist hicks who unfortunately still exist in the U.S. That and I want to see an end to the Clinton/Bush streak.
What? No retort?
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
08:39:40 AM
I am amazed that no one has commented on HillaryLovesMe's post. Well let me be the first. Well well said.
And don't even start with the women's lib bullshit
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
08:39:57 AM
which Rockefeller openly admits to having bankrolled so that the other half of America could be taxed as well. Just because there's never been a female President doesn't mean that you vote a woman in for the novelty of it! She's too emotional and Obama is too shady. Ron Paul is the only candidate who can restore this nation. You idiots will realize this after we get an inferior choice like Obama, who could very well be an infiltrator or McCain, who thinks everyone should serve in the war because he was a POW.
EvilGeek
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
08:41:08 AM
Muslim is not a race. It's a religion, a lifestyle choice. Therefore, people can't be racist in regards to that. And what's wrong with people not wanting an American to lead America? It's their country too!!!
PICARD/WORF in 2008!
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
08:42:11 AM
Four Words
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Feb 5th, 2008
08:43:17 AM
Beer Volcanoes

Stripper Factories

and Pirates!!
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Feb 5th, 2008
08:44:29 AM
VOTE FSM 2008!
I commented on it.
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
08:44:47 AM
And it wasn't "well said". It was a collosal tome that managed to say "screw everbody else! democracy is bad! I need more survival rations in my cabin", but little of actual substance.
of course you can be bigoted to muslims
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
08:46:27 AM
just like you can be bigoted to jews.

There's no excuse for it. It isn't any better just because it isn't strictly racism.

I must now go
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Feb 5th, 2008
08:47:18 AM
and hover above voting stations...SMITING ALL WHO OPPOSE ME
Obama = Cult of Personality
by DirkBelig
Feb 5th, 2008
08:48:29 AM
Everyone is supposedly inspired by Obama because he's the shiny new penny and he promises all sorts of free goodies - like a male Oprah - but it's obvious that most of his supporters don't have the slightest clue as to how naive and clueless he is about how the real world works.

But, who cares, right? Obama is for "CHANGE" so he's gotta be good, right? Well, Hitler brought change; Mao brought change; Pol Pot brought change; Kim Jong Il brought change; Stalin brought change; Ayatollah Khomeini brought change. Change =/= progress. Change =/= always good.

If you don't know what you're voting for, you're worse than those who just stay home. Ignorance is no virtue in times like these.

Sick Fixx
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
08:51:31 AM
I was actually referring to the fact that he's a different color. I didn't say anything about religion. Religion doesn't come into it for me. Provided he's not taking the Koran the wrong way and decapitating children, then I don't see a problem. People are entitled to believe what they wish. Personally I'm nihilist towards all religions. I'm a filthy European so I'm not exposed to half the incidents and stories surrounding this election, but as regards regards Americans leading America? Cmon' guys you need all the good publicity you can get right now. People are afraid to go into your country because of all the shit that's happened...
Godwin's Law in full effect!
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
08:51:51 AM
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
...and that's a fact!
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
08:52:50 AM
Just remember, W was for Change too
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
08:52:55 AM
Also, I have some doubts as to how much change Obama really wants. Does he want us to vote in a Republican House and Senate to change Congress? Does he want those in Pelosi's district to vote her out for change's sake? Of course not. Is he going to pare down the bloated entrench Washington DC bureaucracy? Uh, no. The only change Obama is interested in is the one that puts him in the White House. For everything else, I'm sure he wants it exactly the same.
Lost Jarv
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
08:53:37 AM
Hooray Democracy, 99% sure it's the best political system we're going to get to insure rights and what not. That doesn't mean it doesn't cater to a majority- for better or worse. Unfortunately, we seem to have lost any sense of personal responsibility for our fellow man, and now we need a giant beauracratic baby-sitter to take care of us all. I'm not even saying its the worst idea in the world. Maybe the American people are too far gone to act on behalf of themselves, but it sure as heck isn't the best idea, not even remotely the direction America as a civilization should be heading as a bastion of freedom or independence. Maybe that's too abstract for people. Not pragmatic enough. *sigh*
When was this rule established
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
08:54:07 AM
That we had to care what the rest of the world thinks about us? I agree we should be able to be civil when doing business and make agreements that are fair to all, but as far as if some Frenchman calls Americans 'slobs', why am I obligated to want to change my entire way of life to accomodate France's view of what a life should be? I've never understood why America's 'image' to the rest of the world is supposed to move me so much.
EvilGeek1: We don't need good publicity
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
08:54:21 AM
We have a weak dollar which makes tourism here quite desirable.
Why doesn't Europe ever say shit about China or North Korea?
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
08:57:32 AM
They're ten times worse than America could ever be at its most tyrannical. Forced abortions of most baby girls. HOLDING A FUCKING GUN TO THE HEADS OF NORTH KOREAN CITIZENS IF BRITNEY SPEARS SHOWS ANY SKIN!!! THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! THEY'RE MONSTERS!
Evilgeek
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
08:58:48 AM
Oh, religion doesn't matter to you, hmm? Well, I don't want a Muslim in the White House, period. It's skin color I don't care about. I guess anybody who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist then.
REMEMBER, A VOTE FOR ME IS A VOTE FOR
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
Feb 5th, 2008
08:58:51 AM
TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
ye gods!
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
08:58:52 AM
I'm not even a liberal, but am actually fucking appalled at some of the attitudes on here.
apart from TFD.
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
08:59:41 AM
I'd vote for him
Well I don't know about the French, but...
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
09:02:49 AM
Take a look at Sick Fixx's answer and then ask yourselves why the Dollar is weak and don't just say it's the economic climate. I know full well you don't care what other nations think. That's why you're in this situation: A dirty war with a president who has made more errs in judgement than I've had hot dinners. And please don't peg me as some America hater. I've been to your country and it's great.
Why would anybody vote for Hillary Clinton?
by kwisatzhaderach
Feb 5th, 2008
09:03:39 AM
I mean, really? Get somebody new in. This Obama guy seems to know what he's talking about.
I'll Vote for Fat Tuesday ...
by jones1899
Feb 5th, 2008
09:03:48 AM
In New Orleans! Not Austin. Harry, you're missing out.
Bill Clinton for Change...
by ConquestMelee
Feb 5th, 2008
09:04:03 AM
"Yesterday is yesterday. If we try to recapture it, we will only lose tomorrow." - Bill Clinton www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaZiH- gDVVk
Sick Fixx
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
09:05:24 AM
How very open-minded of you.
I'm practicing jumping trains with the other HOBOS
by Itto Ogami loses Daigoro
Feb 5th, 2008
09:07:33 AM
I heard this is a required skill during a depression.
Harry sez..
by skimn
Feb 5th, 2008
09:08:14 AM
VOTE OR DIET !! ..just had to..
Stan Gable
by kwisatzhaderach
Feb 5th, 2008
09:09:09 AM
A low class soap opera is exactly what the Clintons are. Don't forget, Clinton had the chance to execute Osama (not Obama) and fudged it. And don't forget Kosovo either.
Well most obama supporters are pot smoking hippies.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
09:09:23 AM
That don't vote anyway. No worries.
EvilGeek1
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
09:09:50 AM
This isn't meant to be a loaded question, I don't have a pre-fabricated retort in mind, but I am interested to know what you think is great about America from an outside perspective. You mind stating where you're from?
There are more choices you know
by The Funketeer
Feb 5th, 2008
09:12:08 AM
I realize that most of you like to vote for a winner since it makes you feel like you've accomplished something by checking off a little box and slapping a sticker on your sweater but y'know there are more than just the two parties right? I think most people would find themselves pretty much in tune with the Libertarian party if they took the time to look at the candidates. You constantly vote for the big two who are pretty much the same anyway and then spend four years complaining when they let you down. I'll be excited if Obama wins and actually manages to do something different but lets face it, he's a member of the democratic party and he's going to feel the same pressure for support than any other big candidate would. All of you who are buying into the crap that Hillary and Obama are spouting now, wait until one of them gets nominated and see how quickly their opinions start to change once the entire country is listening. Vote third party if for no other reason than we need change in a way that voting for someone who's last name isn't Clinton or Bush won't bring.
You want open minded?
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:14:35 AM
Nick Berg's mind was very open when Islamic Fundamentalists sawed it open. People forget so fast that this man died for nothing. He wasn't even a soldier and they hogtied him and butchered him. Daniel Pearl. We have a right to not want a Muslim in the White House even if it means being called 'close minded'. You must have forgotten that the Muslims are now attacking Europe as well. France sure didn't mind defending themselves when the riots happened, did they? No, when the threat comes home, they act just as we have. Same with Britain. And don't even start with the 'Why do you automatically assume I'm from France? You think France is all Europe is?' Because I know how you people turn arguments. Obviously, you have not said what part of Europe you are from. I've noticed this about self proclaimed Europeans on Aint it Cool talkbacks. They always say they're from Europe. They don't get specific. Maybe they're cowards.
I like America as well,
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
09:15:02 AM
I've been to lots of different places, and am married to an American.
IT'S MY FUCKING COUNTRY TOO, DAMMIT!
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:16:45 AM
Who are you to say I'm close minded because I don't want a Muslim in the White House??? You're not even directly tied in to American politics, and you're trying to dictate that I'm a bigot or a racist because I want a leader I'm comfortable with??? Some of that old country fascism, sounds like.
Political correctness is the new fascism
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:18:36 AM
'You really shouldn't bash it if you haven't given it a chance.' 'If you don't want Hilary in the White House, you're a sexist.' 'If you don't want a Muslim in the White House, you're a bigot.' I WANT A REAL MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!! I want Ron Paul to restore this country to a prestige I've never seen in my lifetime.
Sick Fixx
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
09:20:13 AM
What about the hundreds of Muslims that have nothing to do with extremists that you are tarring with the same brush. Muslim does not necessarily equal terrorist.

And don't you have seperation of church and state? Therefore it shouldn't matter if the president is Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or worships the Flying Spaggheti Monster. The only reason it does matter is because the parties have discovered that being religious is a vote winner.

And I'm not European. I'm British. And what you know about the Islamic Problem in this country could be written on the back of a postage stamp. We've lived under a terrorist threat for fucking decades. Ain't nothing new about this lot of murdering bastards.

Congrats... Lite fuse and get away..!!!
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
Feb 5th, 2008
09:21:10 AM
Politics is a game for children. Let them get on with it, the outcome is the same. The rest of the Adults can get on with the real work, rather than playing with shadow puppets.
Stan
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
09:21:39 AM
The dot com bubble burst donkey's before the Bush election.

Just FYI.

Steady as she goes, Sick Fixx
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
09:22:43 AM
All right, Lost Jarv, I'd like to hear your opinion too, What do you like about America, and fo you mind stating where your from. I only ask out of personal interest.
klattimus_darby
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
09:23:01 AM
Not at all. I'm Irish. Dublin born and bred, so hide the booze. What do I think is great about America... I love your food! I love the Greyhounds! I got to see so much stuff because of those buses. I love your accent(s). I love that there's someone from every walk of life within six feet of you. I love your weather. I definitely love your women! And finally, even though I now despise Hollywood, even I have to admit you guys rule the roost for box office takings around the world. American cinema is a juggernaut!
Here's what Ralph Nader had to say about Obama last week
by BrandLoyalist
Feb 5th, 2008
09:23:32 AM
Positive but critical. My opinion of his opinion: big media's fault again; you only had to scan Google's headline listings to observe the media blackout Edwards' explicit rhetoric earned him (let alone Kucinich!). Quoted from his Thursday interview by Democracy Now! (http://democracynow.org):

"My assessment of Barack Obama is that he knows what the score is in terms of the male distribution of power. He knows what he has said in the past about the Israeli-Palestinian issue and the need for Palestinian rights and a two-state solution. He knows that this war was a criminal war in Iraq and we’ve got to get out of it in a responsible, expeditious manner. He knows that corporations have too much power over workers and consumers and small taxpayers and elections and the government.

"But when you watch him, he stays at a very high plane of generality and abstraction about change, and we’re one nation, and we’re one people. And that may sing with the desire of people to feel like they’re part of a unity, but it doesn’t do much for the productivity of the political dialogue. He does not get specific enough. Therefore, I think his main problem is he’s censoring himself, and that is not sufficiently rationalized by saying that’s just a tactic to win the primaries and get elected."
Ralph Wiggum in 2008!
by SpyGuy
Feb 5th, 2008
09:24:08 AM
He's been a good boy and he has a better chance at winning than Ron Paul.

What's not to like about Ralphie?

Sick Fixx
by DeusExMachina
Feb 5th, 2008
09:24:58 AM
What is all this about a Muslim in the White House? There are no Muslims on the ticket.
CRAIG/FOLEY '08 !!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:25:03 AM
We need the Free Penis For All bill signed NOW.
Muslim in the White House? Who would that be?
by rbrog77
Feb 5th, 2008
09:25:33 AM
Hillary's not. McCain isn't. Romney...no. Huckabee...no way!! Paul? I don't think so. So I guess that would mean you're talking about Obama. In that case....you are a misinformed, I don't care it's what I say or the highway idiot.
Sick Fixx
by DocPazuzu
Feb 5th, 2008
09:26:28 AM
Wow, Animalstructure/Thunderballs, that was quick.
No you didn't
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
09:27:22 AM
You said that the economy slowed for 3 straight quarters before the election AND the dot com bubble burst.

Not the same thing at all. If you meant that the slowdown was due to the dot com mess then fair enough.

OBAMA HAS A BIGGER DICK THAN HILLARY CLINTON
by vini77
Feb 5th, 2008
09:28:13 AM
Also he can dance.
More
by rbrog77
Feb 5th, 2008
09:28:49 AM
The rest didn't post, so

Obabma is not muslim. Part of the responsibilty of being a voter is to be informed. If you don't pay attention to the hundreds of FALSE emails and instead do research on the facts, I believe you'd find Obama to be a member of the Penticostal Church. HE IS NOT A MUSLIM.

Believing everything you want to does not make you informed. It actually makes you an idiot.

On that level you have suceeded.

Health care is not a "right"
by gotilk
Feb 5th, 2008
09:29:29 AM
LOL! Like I've said elsewhere, *YOU GONNA PAY* eventually. Does it cost us less to eventually care for these people after bad health has deteriorated to horrible health at high cost, or to keep them healthy in the first place? Because as cold as most of us are, we are not ever going to be a country that turns away it's sick poor. My point is that you WILL pay, and the best course of action is to keep those costs as low as you can get them, promote better health choices and regular care rather than just waiting until the whole thing spirals out of control and we're treating a wildfire of health issues instead of killing the brush fire before it gets out of control. I dunno, I guess you can all bury your heads up your asses like you have since the 60s with things like the war on drugs. Let's pretend that a war on ideas and concepts can be won, and keep throwing money down the tubes. Let's pretend that if we all just "pull up our bootstraps", the American dream can be had by all.

If all those taxes and waste piss you off, try reading a book called "FREE LUNCH", it'll piss you off, but not in the way you would assume. PEOPLE do not get a free lunch in this country, if they ever did. People who own the companies that own what makes up your lunch and the means of getting to it do. Wake up. All that waste and taxes that you think are being handed to old hippies, homeless people and lazy, stupid folks are being handed to developers, corporations, sports team owners and other people who already HAVE a lunch. (usually on jets, boats and in Restaurants most of us wouldn't be let into to do the dishes) And it's not a Republican/Democrat Liberal/Conservative thing. It transcends that. It's just greed and the spread of the illusion that they all "earned it" "far and squar". Bullshit. You EARN chopping wood. You EARN digging a ditch, or mining coal. You STEAL someone's property to build a new stadium and then bill the local taxpayers for the stadium. And then you want us all to believe you EARNED what you have in life. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. But at least you have most of us convinced. For a while.
www.aint-it-liberal-propaganda.c om/traitors
by uss cygnus
Feb 5th, 2008
09:30:03 AM
THIS site? Ordering people to vote for the most liberal canidate to run for President since George McGovern (and that is a verifiable fact)? Impossible. This is like looking at a crazy 10 year old talking about politics and saying to them "That's nice, dear, but the the adults are talking. Go back to your room and play your playstation."
I'm English, from London
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
09:30:22 AM
and have been lucky enough to travel to lots of different bits of America, I like the people I met, the attitude, cheery optimism, a lot of American books, films etc, I find it endlessly fascinating that such a big diverse place is drawn together under one flag, and like Evilgeek I like your women. I married one.
Obama is a Muslim
by skimn
Feb 5th, 2008
09:31:53 AM
I read it on the internet so it MUST BE TRUE!!!!!! Fucking dickwads. And Stan Gable, apparently you've sucked on Rush Limbaugh's cock enough to mimic his twisted form of logic...
A thread INTENDED for political discussion ? ? ?
by Nice Marmot
Feb 5th, 2008
09:32:26 AM
. . . I'm surprised everybody's not switching the subject and talking about cool fanboy shit. I'm proud of you AICN!!!
I was tempted, Marmot
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
09:33:53 AM
but can't find a way to shoehorn a conversation about low rent horror, Warwick davis, bears, porn, animal porn, remakes, etc in.

It's very frustrating.


by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
09:33:55 AM
You all should really check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5 CZvD3-QM These people are all traitors. This election is simply theater, as they all have been for God knoes how long. Ron Paul isnt playing this game, hence the media blackout/smear campaign. Be sure and vet it beyond the video, before making snarky comments.
THE DOT COM BUBBLE BURSTING WAS INEVITABLE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:34:26 AM
but not entirely devastating. The long-term outcome was that the most innovative and value-laden companies survived and prospered, and transformed the world into a more efficient Net-based economy. It was investors who did not do their homework who lost out on the bubble, and that happens with the stock market on any given day - just that in this case the drive to invest in any over-hyped dotcom stock was enormous. The bubble put a stop to wild speculation and allowed investors to focus on corporations with solid offerings and not just hype.
Al-Qaeda has endorsed Barack Obama
by uss cygnus
Feb 5th, 2008
09:35:37 AM
And supports Hillary Clinton for VP. They know that planes flown into US buildings will increase by a factor of 10 with an Obama presidency, especially since Obama or Clinton would probably give the hijackers families their frequent flier miles posthumously along with a dozen roses and a thank you card that reads "Thanks for killing our innocent civilians. We deserved it. Sorry to be a superpower. Love Barack Hussein & Hillary".
2 out of 5 graduate reading from our Public Schools
by Diagnostic
Feb 5th, 2008
09:36:23 AM
Hey, Let the same philosophy and people run health care!
Brilliant!
...sorry, heres a cleaner link.....
by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
09:37:31 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5 CZvD3-QM search "carroll quigley cfr quotes"
Sick Fixx
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
09:38:18 AM
Let me tell you something about Ireland. Everyone's a fucking racist here! Everyone! And it's not just skin color we reserve judgment for. Some call it necessary prejudice. I just call it plain old narrow-mindedness. I understand that you feel anger towards the muslim religion but if you tar them all with the same brush, then what's to stop someone like me coming along and calling all Americans war-mongering fat-asses. The door swings both ways. Bear in mind, Americans have killed more than the terrorists have although by now I wouldn't say by much. I hate those crazy fuckers too, but I'm not going to extend my hatred to the bigger picture of the muslims. I felt exactly like you a while back. But if you're genuinely confident in Ron Paul then that's cool.
Harry likes Obama...and HD-DVD.
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
09:39:35 AM
Credibility destroyed!
HOWEVER, THE HOUSING AND CREDIT BUBBLE BURSTING
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:40:15 AM
that's a different matter altogether. People losing a few thou in the dotcom bubble aint nothing compared to being in debt on a mortgage that exceeds the property's value. That's exponentially worse. Some analysts forecast that around mid-08, there will be more bad news from the consumer credit (credit cards and car loans, etc) and corporate credit sectors. Brace yourselves and thank God none of the current candidates can hold a candle to Bush for sheer stupidity.

by 40ozToFreedom
Feb 5th, 2008
09:40:22 AM
Hey folks, Harry here - This isn't a movie post - I'm just reminding all you good folks, like you're not aware - to get out and vote if you're in one of the SUPER TUESDAY voting areas. I'm in Texas - we don't get to vote for quite some time, but if the commentators are right - it looks like the Democratic Nominee won't be decided up till possibly then. Personally - I'm an OBAMA fan. And I have been since his speech here in Austin, back last February at Auditorium Shores. However, I saw it in Blu-Ray, which most people haven't, so I'm not expecting anyone else to fully understand. You don't know anything about Obama until you've seen him in 1080p.
This Movie Sounds Stupid!
by georges garvaren
Feb 5th, 2008
09:40:26 AM
A film about voting? Political writing has never been my thing so perhapses this Obama character can turn out to be a monster we all want to see but DON'T until the last five minutes or so. Hilary and Bill and hug/kiss/tell each other how they really feel while all hell comes crashing down. Wait, wasn't that the 2000 election turnout? You USA'ers; such good sports.
.....asleep at the wheel...
by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
09:40:47 AM
"Vote for Hillary and enjoy having your wages garnished if you don't elect to participate in her socialist health care plans." Obamas plan is the same. America is asleep at the wheel, and wont even see it coming. These people are all CFR.
CYGNUS - ACTUALLY AL QAEDA IS INDEBTED TO BUSH
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:42:49 AM
for deliberately clearing a path for them on 9/11. Go play with your vintage Spock dolls.
Well we got something in common after all
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
09:43:05 AM
I like our women too. Seems like you guys can appreciate our people before our politics. I like that. Me too. And who doesn't like a good burger with freedom fries.
Wow, lots of responses....
by Billy Batts
Feb 5th, 2008
09:44:15 AM
and it's remained pretty civil in here so far.
redhankyspanky
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:47:02 AM
Good point. But don't even bother talking about the CFR with anyone outside of your own social circle, because we can't even convince them that it's a real organization, even though John Edwards has name dropped it in public media, and he's not the only one. I think the majority of people discount what they call 'conspiracy theories' out of fear that anything that insidious could actually be going on. It's a child's trick to shut your eyes from bad stuff and it'll go away, or maybe it was never there to begin with. It's only human nature, after all.
Catch H Clinton on Letterman last night?
by Mister Man
Feb 5th, 2008
09:47:35 AM
He's obviously a supporter, and has been for a while. The "quotes" were a total set-up, as is always the case in the talk show setting. Not even remotely spontaneous - and the "I love Obama" BS was more than a bit gratuitous. The "staging" of it was just so blatant - the "wearing the pants-suit in the White House" was a groaner.
Stan
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
09:48:14 AM
"Lenders do not lend money to borrowers who don't have the credit or the income to afford it."

Erm, they did. Hence the fuck up.

Anyone that compares Obama to Hitler,Pol pot or Starlin
by Stalkeye
Feb 5th, 2008
09:50:21 AM
Is a fucking moron. Nuff Said. If Obama loses the primary, then my vote goes to Hil by default anyone but another goddamn Republican. But thanks to the Bush/Cheney regime, it should be a easy victory for the Dems. And I have not heard much of Mccain's stances.

Sick FiXX whatever it is you are smoking, one of my coworkers would like to buy some of that shit from ya. Muslim indeed. XD

Ron Paul is the only candidate...
by tile_mcgillus
Feb 5th, 2008
09:51:17 AM
speaking of drastically shrinking our government size. Giving you back your money. Bringing home all of our troops from our over 730 military bases in 130 countries. He wants to no longer be an empire, but rather a country that shares, trades, prospers, and communicates with all nations. He is the only candidate truly versed in the economy. He actually has a plan to fix the economy not just hold it over until a huge depression comes. He is the only candidate that has a 100% vote in line with the constitution. Look it up. He is the only republican candidate that is entirely funded by individuals not corporations. He has said he doesn't want to run your life, and wouldn't pretend to know how to. He is the only candidate that wants to restriction government involvement in your life not increase it. He was right about Iraq, right about Iran, right about the economy.

So that is my pitch for Ron Paul. Sounded pretty good didn't it. It's all true. He will not win because the media has ignored, ridiculed and demeaned him the entire time. Thanks media. Thanks.

David Lynch for president!
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
09:53:14 AM
With Cronenberg as Secretary for Defense and Nick Cave as Secretary for The Broken-Hearted! That would be fun!
STAN GABLE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:53:23 AM
Are you completely ignorant about the subprime mortgage mess? I spend a lot of time on AICN but, um, reading the news might be worthwhile too.

"Lenders do not lend money to borrowers who don't have the credit or the income to afford it." ... that's PRECISELY the cause of the multi-billion dollar losses every major bank has suffered. 95% to 100% mortgages to anyone with a pulse.

And if the consumer credit sector goes down, the whole economy does. No spending, no revenues, no jobs. Which will further drive property values down.

What does this have to do with Bush? Are you daft? He deliberately drove this train to this station with his economic policies while the country was distracted by bloodshed in the Middle East. I mean, hell, he was the worst borrower of all. He borrowed from China and every other country to pay for the war, and who's footing the bill? The Middle Class' future.

(In my Bill "Science Guy" Nye voice) Consider the following:
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
09:56:46 AM
1. Obama is inexperienced and is running a campaign about "change."

2. "Change" is not always a good thing. In fact, things could get WORSE if they were to "change."

3. The media is having an exposure and coverage orgy with Barack Hussein Obama. Historically, the media does NOT represent most Americans.

4. Hillary and Bill are the first to point at Barack Hussein Obama's lack of experience and questionable ethical background.

5. Hillary says to not vote for Obama.

6. Obama says to not vote for Hillary.

Conclusion: Both Obama and Hillary are right about who NOT to vote for. Both Obama and Hillary are WRONG for this nation at this time in history!

John McCain is the only candidate with military experience and long-term government leadership experience. He is the only "normal" American running (normal being that he seems to genuinely identify with most Americans; and he actually watched the Superbowl for the same reason that we watched -- a good game and cool commercials).

While I don't agree with John McCain in every area, he is the best candidate for the job of President of the United States. He is the only candidate that gives Osama bin Laden (and every other funadmentalist religious terrorist) nightmares. I like McCain that he was willing to suffer and endure for 5 and a half years as a tortured Prisoner of War -- while raunchy ULTRA-LIBERAL American hippies back home were calling him a "baby killer." Why did he do this? He loved his country.

I don't think that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodman Clinton really love their country like that. I think that Hillary and Obama love being loved and are in love with a LIBERAL IDEA about America. I don't want America to be as FAR-LEFT LIBERAL as Hillary, Obama or Nancy Pelosi are aiming. They only "tolerate" those who support and agree with them.

ABC: A-nybody B-ut C-linton!

NWO: N-o W-ay, O-bama!

This race has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with ideology! I would love to have a woman or an African American for President. Clinton is not that woman. Obama is not that African American. McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
SUICIDE WATCH FOR SICKFIXX
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:56:50 AM
Starts now ... GO HILLARY!
Its a very clear choice on the democratic side
by mukhtabi
Feb 5th, 2008
09:58:45 AM
If you vote for Hilary you will get what you voted for, namely a woman who really can't get things done because she WILL be undermined by her spouse. If you vote for Obama, you will get a big ideas man who will make landmark legislation compromises because he has the same spirit JFK had. Sure he hasn't said anything truly meaningful in the campaign but guess what people, POLICY doesn't win votes! Getting people off their asses to vote, THAT wins votes. So my wife and I are both going to vote for Obama in five minutes. Laters!
I'll vote for Hillary on Fat Tuesday...
by Evil Lincoln
Feb 5th, 2008
09:58:51 AM
...if she shows me her tits! LOL!!!
IF MCCAIN SWITCHED TO AN INDEPENDENT
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:59:14 AM
He may have a shot. His association with the party of nutbags is just a hindrance to his ambitions.
MCCain's Campaign Pres: "The Alamo = heroes who died for nothing
by ArcadianDS
Feb 5th, 2008
10:01:03 AM
Yesterday on Missouri's am radio show, "The Vincent David Jericho Show", the Campaign President for John McCain rationalized McCain's having abandoned his own views to cooperate with Democrats as such:

"If you stand your ground on something and die, what have you accomplished? nothing."

Jericho: "What about The Alamo. They stood their ground against an invading army and payed with their lives. Was that for nothing?"

"Sure. They became martyrs for a lost cause and it was such a sad waste."

Go ahead and vote McCain but just remember that he thinks that the brave men who stood their ground at The Alamo against the armies of Mexico wasted their lives and should have tried to find a common ground of cooperation with the invading enemies.

This is the guy you want defending our country from attack? What idiocy.

DEMOCRATS are HIPPIES!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:01:48 AM
Thanks for pointing out that all of us "poor Republicans" are "nutbags," dickhead. Get a life before you start spewing so much ignorant "talking point" myths from the DemocRATic Party!
I'D VOTE FOR ROMNEY IF HE SHOWS ME HIS TITS TOO
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
10:02:30 AM
I would.
OK, here's how it is, and if you actually read this........
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
10:03:11 AM
...you will have to agree with me. America has always needed both Left and Right, Democrats and Republicans (yes, I know that they haven't always been called by those names, but the principles still existed). It's a Yin and Yang sort of thing. In the early twentieth century things were very "Republican"...individualism, big business etc... Well, that was great for a while, but then we ended up with insanely rich robber barons putting eight year olds to work in coal mines, old people eating each other to stay alive, the great depression etc... So, then the "democrats" or "left" took over for a while...that got us social security (so your fat ass won't starve to death when you are old), medicare, child labor laws, minimum wage (so your asshole boss at Seven-Eleven has to pay you at least six bucks an hour) etc... And that was good stuff. But none of us really wanted to live in a completely Socialist country, so eventually things tipped back the other way. You see? The other side doesn't suck, sometimes the stew needs a little salt, and sometimes it needs a little pepper. Now at the moment I would argue that we have been salted up the ass for the last eight years and we need a big, big dose of pepper....we are quickly heading back to the robber baron-eight year olds in the coal mines days. Time for the "Left" to think about the little guy for a while...maybe get some universal health care for real (because pretty soon only Mitt Romney and the Bush family are going to be able to afford to get their appendix out if they need to). In conclusion, neither the Ying nor the Yang of American politics is BAD. At the moment though we have just been Yanged up the butt for eight years and we desperately need a little soothing Ying lotion for a while. If you think about it you will know it's true...I will even let you quote me at parties...people will think you're a genius.
"I watch the Superbowl like everybody else...
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
10:03:37 AM
Because it's a damn good game with cool commercials. I'm John McCain, and I approve this message." McCain 2008, :rolleye:
I've chosen Obama, and here's why...
by Chishu_Ryu
Feb 5th, 2008
10:04:00 AM
(in strong South African accent)...because he's black...
The problem with Ron Paul
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
10:05:17 AM
ISOLATIONISM NEVER WORKS PEOPLE. I swear to f'ing God it amazes how limited the mindset of some people are. There's a reason we still mock Neville Chamberlain. Paul wants to get us out of NAFTA. Protectionism also never works. Domestically, I'm quite fond of a Libertarian mindset. But for some reason the notion got planted that to be a Libertarian means to support a Fortress America. It's ridiculous, it's unworkable, and it's dangerous.
I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT YOU CHRIISM
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
10:05:38 AM
I was talking about the power-drunk politicos that were raging in the party at the height of Bush's power and are still there. I wasn't talking about true Conservatives whose own policies run counter to the party's now- radical mainsteamers. But thank you for taking the time to read my post.
FlickaPoo: Sorry, I read it, but I totally disagree with you
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
10:07:26 AM
I can easily afford to have my appendix out because I have a JOB. And I'll continue having a JOB.
Condi for VP?
by Stalkeye
Feb 5th, 2008
10:07:40 AM
That useless bitch can't even serve me drinks at my local Bar. She's just another puppet for the Bush/Cheney regime. Her observation of WMAs in Iraq were proven inconclusive not to mention while the Katrina disaster was happening, she was out shopping for shoes in NYC and being jeered by the New Yorkers. Macain, I dunno but Condi..Aw hell naw!
on the cost of medicine
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
10:10:09 AM
Ask Kloipy when he next shows up. He had a horrible story about it.
Shouldn't we have sidetracked this talkback
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
10:11:13 AM
to discuss movies by now? Hannah Montana, #1 movie in America ... not a single review on this site. This site is so out of touch.
CONDI FOR VP?
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
10:11:38 AM
Not even for McDonald's assistant manager for the drive in window.
McCain is batshit crazy
by tile_mcgillus
Feb 5th, 2008
10:13:02 AM
100 years in Iraq...

He sang "Bomb Iran"

He has admitted he knows not much about the economy but that his friends Jack Kemp etc etc do...essentially saying he will pass the task onto other people.

He now supports the Bush taxes cuts, after opposing them in the past...thus flip flopping.

He wants illegal immigrants to pay a $3,000 fine and then be able to stay in America.

McCain-Feingold restricted the first amendment.

He will stand no chance against Obama...that is why the republicans will go for Romney. Pretty Boy versus great public speaker...

WHOEVER WINS...WE LOSE.

see chrth, that pisses me off no end
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
10:13:08 AM
the world's going down the shitter.

Imagine Harry not posting a review of a film with pubescent girls in it. It's the apocalypse.

Hillary or Obama...
by Kid Z
Feb 5th, 2008
10:13:50 AM
...whoever... just make sure your campaign ads for the general election prominantly feature that footage of Nutcase McCain humping Bushie's leg!
Why not vote Obama?
by chewyou812
Feb 5th, 2008
10:14:05 AM
I love the fact that the anti-Obama talkbackers are acusing the pro-Obama's of not knowing their candidate and yet the only arguments I see from you against him are things like "HE'S MUSLIM!" (even though he's not). The fact is that the two Dems are actually very very close on their policies with slight diffences in their health care plans (Hilary's trying to avoid admitting that she'll garnish your wages) and Iraq (Obama's willing to say that barring a major new development he'll have the troops out of Iraq and focusing on Al Queda within 16 months of taking office). I'm off to work, but I challenge the rest of you to use actual facts and state your case legitimately. Otherwise, go back to bitching about movies and porno.
Optimist For Obama
by RicCage
Feb 5th, 2008
10:14:40 AM
Read this blog I found. Explains it all http://eliastoufexis.blogspot. com/2008/02/optimist-for-obama _02.html Go vote for OBAMA
I wanna play Super Smash Bros Brawl with candidates!
by Baron Karza
Feb 5th, 2008
10:15:34 AM
Because thats as deep as I am.
HILLARY HAS CHOSEN TO GARNISH WAGES AND HERES WHY
by ArcadianDS
Feb 5th, 2008
10:15:51 AM
Her national healthcare plan includes the federally mandated REQUIREMENT that you pay for health insurance, and if you do not, they will garnish your wages and force that health care upon you

Unless you decide to not have a job - then she gives it to you for free.

NO MORMON WILL EVER WIN THE WHITE HOUSE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
10:15:56 AM
Romney is Daniel Plainview with the sheen of Ronald Reagan. He seeks office for power and riches. We don't need that no more. America wake the fuck up.
chrth
by tile_mcgillus
Feb 5th, 2008
10:17:38 AM
Ron Paul is not an isolationist. That is just patently untrue. He is a non-interventionist. They are actually very different. He wants to be friends and partners with all nations...that is not isolationism at all actually. He just doesn't want America to be policing the world..it is bankrupting us.

Also why involved with those trade orgnizations when it is exclusionary and like the U.N. places sanctions on countries that kills millions (i.e. Iraq in the nineties)

Obama - Half Honkey, All Donkey
by Baron Karza
Feb 5th, 2008
10:18:03 AM
tshirthell.com
CHRTH...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
10:19:36 AM
clarify...I theorized that (1)both Left and Right are OK and necessary in good measure...and (2)we have had more than enough Right for a while and need a good dose of Left to balance things out. You disagree with point 1, 2, or both?
Mitt Romney also supports biometrics
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
10:19:41 AM
I shut him down as voteworthy a long time ago.
two things you'll never change
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
10:21:11 AM
someones mind about - religion and politics

regardless of who wins, it would be nice to see a voter turnout above 70%

LOU DOBBS FOR PREZ!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
10:21:13 AM
Why doesn't he run? Dobbs/Montana 08
Osama says "Vote for Obama!!!"
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:21:28 AM
...or Hillary is a good second choice.
I'm leaving to vote in a few minutes
by canopus
Feb 5th, 2008
10:21:28 AM
And I still don't know who I'm voting for, my candidate, Edwards, already dropped out. I guess I'll flip a coin.
OK, here's how it is, and if you actually read this........
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
10:23:05 AM
you will have to agree with me. Obama is a Muslim. Hilary is a dyke. McCain is a grunt. Giuliani is a crossdresser. Kucinich is an alien in disguise. Mitt Romney believes he will inherit his own planet when he dies. Huckabee believes in expansion of government. Therefore, Ron Paul is the only logical choice. :D
OSAMA WOULD LOVE BUSH FOR ANOTHER 8 YEARS CHRISM
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
10:23:54 AM
They gave him everything he ever wanted. On a silver platter.
and sick fixx
by Kraken
Feb 5th, 2008
10:24:52 AM
is ignorant.
i think we should make the conservative sect happy...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
10:26:24 AM
... and make our country a theocracy - the only candidate they have running that makes any sense is cain, and the cons hate him because hes not conservative enough - hes not a evang. minister like huckabee or a mormon wacko like romney - maybe next election the conservatives can get the pope to run - because we need a president that talks to god who can save the country from all the godless liberals (like me) - huckabee was here in my state drumming up support, he apparently doesnt believe in evolution and is open about it - i wonder if he believes in gravity - and romney, dont get me started - BringingSexyBack said it best above - i hope it comes down to obama and cain - that would be a good race - i want obama, but i can live with cain if he wins
thats no typo - i call McCain "cain", its a long story
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
10:27:35 AM
Don't know about facts
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
10:28:05 AM
but I can tell you 100% that the word you are looking for is "garner" not garnish.
* ANYBODY BUT CLINTON OR OBAMA *
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:29:55 AM

1. Obama is inexperienced and is running a campaign about "change."

2. "Change" is not always a good thing. In fact, things could get WORSE if they were to "change."

3. The media is having an exposure and coverage orgy with Barack Hussein Obama. Historically, the media does NOT represent most Americans.

4. Hillary and Bill are the first to point at Barack Hussein Obama's lack of experience and questionable ethical background.

5. Hillary says to not vote for Obama.

6. Obama says to not vote for Hillary.

Conclusion: Both Obama and Hillary are right about who NOT to vote for. Both Obama and Hillary are WRONG for this nation at this time in history!

John McCain is the ONLY candidate with military experience and long-term government leadership experience. He is the only candidate who currently has children actively serving in the military. He is the only "normal" American running (normal being that he seems to genuinely identify with most Americans; and he actually watched the Superbowl for the same reason that we watched -- a good game and cool commercials). Hillary thought that Eli Manning threw a nice "home run" while Barack Hussein Obama thought that there was plenty of money to be made from lawsuits following the game!

While I don't agree with John McCain in every area, he is the best candidate for the job of President of the United States. He is the only candidate that gives Osama bin Laden (and every other funadmentalist religious terrorist) nightmares. I like McCain that he was willing to suffer and endure for 5 and a half years as a tortured Prisoner of War -- while raunchy ULTRA-LIBERAL American hippies back home were calling him a "baby killer." Why did he do this? He loved his country.

I don't think that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodman Clinton really love their country like that. I think that Hillary and Obama love being loved and are in love with a LIBERAL IDEA about America. I don't want America to be as FAR-LEFT LIBERAL as Hillary, Obama or Nancy Pelosi are aiming. They only "tolerate" those who support and agree with them.

ABC: A-nybody B-ut C-linton!

NWO: N-o W-ay, O-bama!

This race has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with ideology! I would love to have a woman or an African American for President. Clinton is not that woman. Obama is not that African American. McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

This period of history is far too important to waste it on two untried power-hungry, self-promoting candidates like Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
Romney doesn't need gravity...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
10:30:14 AM
his magic Mormon underpants and gold rune reading glasses keep him down to earth...
Colbert/LeBeouf 08
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
10:31:15 AM
I picture them in the oval office, being briefed on international terrorist stuff... wearing batman and robin outfits... that would be cool...
didn't you just post that chrrisssm
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
10:31:46 AM
I'm quite impressed you could be bothered to put in the html on the cut and paste
This is the most fun I've had in a talkback in forever.
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
10:32:46 AM
I'm so tired of people in the Lost talkback. "Locke killed that woman ZOMG!!1! Kate humped that tree ZOMG!!1! Nikki and Paulo got buried alive ZOMG!!1! Hurley ate that man ZOMG!!1! Smoke Monster turned into a hand ZOMG!!1!" It gets old.
Kate humped a tree?
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
10:34:36 AM
i've got to start watching lost again
Do you want an ULTRA-LIBERAL ACTIVIST in the White House?
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:35:29 AM

They why vote for Barack Hussein Obama? Obama is the wrong man for this point in history.

Barack's rhetoric is interlaced with the same old "tax and spend" philosophy of liberals of past ages. Why do you think ol' Teddy (the Murderer) Kennedy is supporting his liberal pal? It won't be long before Barack Hussein Obama begins using the "Republicans hate black people" or "Democrats are the party of the poor and common man" lies.

Hillary? She is simply wrong for ANY time of our nation's history.

Adama/Tigh 2008
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
10:36:34 AM
ccchhhrrriiisssm...big fan of the last 8 years are you?
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
10:36:59 AM
Fuck Ron Paul. Really.
by xevoid
Feb 5th, 2008
10:37:12 AM
He is an ass. He believes the US economy should revert to using pieces of eight. He actually supports the idea that states should be allowed to make laws allowing property owners to refuse to let people on their property based on their race. If a hotel owner wants to refuse service to a black person, that's alright by Ron Paul, because hes a libertarian and personal property is the most important. He actually said the Civil War was unnecessary and that Lincoln was wrong for waging it. Ron Paul is an idiot. Fuck Ron Paul.
Lost Jarv...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:37:18 AM
I edited it a little and then reposted it. Sorry for the poor grammar. :-P
Romney is
by call7000
Feb 5th, 2008
10:37:46 AM
a pretty damn good public speaker. At least more comfortable with a mic than johny Ma and W. And miles better than robo-Hil. But Obama is a living embodiment of "just because you talk pretty, doesn't mean you know shit". The exact opposite of George W.
FlickaPoo: Mostly point 2
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
10:38:46 AM
The Democrats have been in charge of the House for all but 12 of the last 50 years, and the Senate for (I think) all but 18 of the last 50 years. Now, don't get me wrong, Bush did some lousy spending, but the fact of the matter is that our bloated entrenched government bureaucracy is largely Democrat-created. Meanwhile, when the Republicans were in charge at the end of the 90s, we were running surpluses (although mostly fueled by the Internet bubble and the resultant richer tax coffers). People try to give Clinton credit for that, but it's Congress that passes the budget and spends the money. Always has been.
Fair enough
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
10:39:27 AM
I didn't read it.
Civil War was unnecessary
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
10:39:30 AM
I mean really, Spiderman unmasking, Captain America dying... and now no one remebers Spidermans secret identity and there is a new Captain America!
Obama is the best chance
by Rat Fink
Feb 5th, 2008
10:41:00 AM
that America has to becoming the great country it used to be.
irrelevntelefant FTW!
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
10:41:06 AM
that is fucking priceless
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
10:41:14 AM
Just Because you look pretty doesn't mean you know shit is not the exact opposite of George W. he don't look pretty and he doesn't know anything.
Rambo/McClane 08
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
10:41:21 AM
FlickaPoo...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:41:53 AM
A big fan of the past 8 years?

Uhhh...no.

But I prefer the past 8 years over the crap in store for us that could result from an ultra-liberal, inexperienced guy like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. He served a year in Congress before deciding to run for President. What a pompous, self-promoting dick!

At least with McCain, we KNOW what we are getting. Hillary is just plain silly and Barack is a RISK that I am not willing to take. I would much prefer a McCain/Condi White House than a Hillary or Obama lib-fest.

Rat Fink: Why do you think that?
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
10:42:06 AM
What do you imagine a President by himself -- i.e., without Congress' approval -- can actually do?
What does ZOMG mean??
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
10:43:53 AM
chrth...but Bush had a Republican congress for most...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
10:45:05 AM
...of his time in office. And after 911 he had huge approval ratings...he could have done ANYTHING he wanted...how do you explain the current situation? (neverending war, weakest dollar ever, tanking economy, huge trade deficit, etc...)
Stern/Lange 08
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
10:46:00 AM
BA-BA-B00-EY!!!!!
Vote McCain
by ugly
Feb 5th, 2008
10:47:36 AM
He may wear depends, but at least it's not sanctioned by Joseph Smith!

JK

OBAMA is a risk that we should not take.
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:48:32 AM

His one year spent it Congress before deciding to run for President just does not provide enough experience to be the most powerful leader in the world.

McCain, on the other hand, has proven himself as a soldier, as a tortured prisoner of war for 5 1/2 years, as a middle class private citizen and as a Senator.

Barack Hussein Obama is a piss-poor decision maker. He missed more votes than any other member of Congress, and only showed up to vote for his ultra-liberal causes. Before that, he was a rich lawyer who profitted from lawsuit abuse and representing scumbag slum landlords like Rezko. Is this the man we want for our President?

I'd rather skip the risk and vote for someone tried and true...someone like John McCain

McCain/Condi in 2008!

I HOPE ROMNEY WINS THE REP NOM
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
10:49:27 AM
Because no way in hell will he survive the actual Presidential race. Not even against Britney Spears.
ccchhhrrriiisssm...I agree, McCain is a very cool guy...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
10:51:39 AM
...and I badly wanted to vote for him eight years ago (when he lost the primary in SC)...I think he would have been the right guy at that time. Just not sure he is the right guy now...he admittedly doesn't know much about the economy, and health care isn't even on his radar. Like I said...cool guy though, and even though I think we need a Democrat I might vote for him over Hilary...
McCain=Old Guy (Kevin McCarthy) in UHF
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 5th, 2008
10:51:53 AM
Looks a lot like him, and doesn't act much different. Also doesn't McCain's POW backstory seem similar to Lawrence Harvey's in the Manchurian Candidate? He seems a little nutty to me.
I'd vote for Britney
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
10:52:01 AM
But I really want to see President ARnie.

Just change that constitution thingy to let him run.

It would be hysterical.

Mitt Romney
by ryman7
Feb 5th, 2008
10:53:00 AM
He's tough on illegal immigration He knows how an economy works and can improve the economy(he used to run companies; as an entrepreneur (see rlcad.com)I respect that) He's a reagan conservative, unlike McCain, who sides more often with democrats than republicans
Jimmy McNulty for President!
by rosasaks
Feb 5th, 2008
10:53:00 AM
Omar Little for Vice President.
Mitt Romney
by ryman7
Feb 5th, 2008
10:53:06 AM
He's tough on illegal immigration He knows how an economy works and can improve the economy(he used to run companies; as an entrepreneur (see rlcad.com)I respect that) He's a reagan conservative, unlike McCain, who sides more often with democrats than republicans
Condi to Play E.T.
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 5th, 2008
10:53:18 AM
In Rob Zombie's remake.
OBAMA says...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
10:54:16 AM

"I surrender in Iraq!"

lol Barack Hussein Obama wants to prove that you CAN reason with a terrorist. I wonder if he would still believe it after they declare continued "jihad" on this nation? What a SLAP IN THE FACT to the people of Iraq who are finally realizing TRUE DEMOCRACY there! The terrorists are so weak and on the run that they are recruiting mentally disabled women for suicide bomb missions! Iraq is about to emerge VICTORIOUS!

...but Barack Hussein Obama says that we should surrender.

What an ULTRA-LIBERAL dick! He speaks great ass-tickling rhetoric -- but it has no substance!

Barack is a risk NOT WORTH TAKING!
I'm not voting, and here's why
by Acappellaman
Feb 5th, 2008
10:55:11 AM
Regardless of which Democrat is running for President, they get my vote. I have no preference between Clinton and Obama. Either one will get my vote against the lamb-that-will-be-slain-Republ ican that goes up against him/her. Of course, if either one had Stephen Colbert as their running mate, that's the one I would vote for.
Obama was funny
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 5th, 2008
10:55:16 AM
in the Gameplan. I hope they make a part II.
One other thing I love about the Yanks...
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
10:55:55 AM
We both had to fight off the brits! Only kiddin' England. No hard feelings! had to say it though...
Obama?????
by Wolftever
Feb 5th, 2008
10:57:17 AM
Come on Harry, Obama's positions and voting records are so close to Hillary's, they could be the same Senator (and basically are). I'm voting for McCain because I'm a veteran and KNOW what he stands for, know his integrity, and know that he will fight for this country on all fronts (domestic, foreign, social, etc.). A vote for a Democrat is a vote against America.
The only reason the USA should stay in Iraq
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 5th, 2008
10:57:36 AM
Is to take the oil. Otherwise, we need to get out. If you support the Iraq war/occupation for any other reason, you're basically supporting the bankrupting of the American economy, and a takeover of it by Beijing and Dubai.
ryman7
by ugly
Feb 5th, 2008
10:58:30 AM
You don't get elected Governor of Mass. by being a Reagen Conservative.
Why Harry supports Obama over Clinton
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 5th, 2008
11:00:12 AM
Maybe he doesn't want another corrupt neopotismic administraion like the current one. Let's face it, if the Clintons take back the Whitehouse, it'll just be a rehash of the past 8 years, just it'll be Clintons instead of bushs.
Get fucked Evil Geek.
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
11:00:53 AM
I'm fucking sick of having wankers like you waving around Britain's colonial past. It's tossers like you that kept the IRA funded through fucking noraid.

No Hard Feelings! Had to say it though.

And before you say anything, my old man is from Dublin and he would never, ever say something as stupid, asinine and offensive as that. But it isn't offensive if you say it against the English, is it?

"How do I explain the current situation?"
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:01:31 AM
From the top: 1, W never had as high ratings as his father did (HW at one point had like a 91% approval rating). Too much bad blood from the Florida Supreme Court trying to award the election to Gore. That was never changing.

Deficit/costs of war: Same source. Bush adopted a proactive approach in the "War on Terror" (whatever that means). War costs money. As we now know, Hussein (Saddam, not Obama) faked WMDs because he feared an attack from Iran. So he got attacked by the US instead. Bush got antsy because the summer was approaching, and he started the war before he should have. As a result, a plan for maintaining the country was never put together, and the administration has mostly played catch-up since then.

In addition, the tax cuts at the beginning of the term was never met with tax raises when the economy recovered (although recession -> 9/11 -> Katrina never really gave a stable moment in which to raise taxes), so the deficits weren't going away anytime soon.

As for the weak dollar, well, currency valuations are historically cyclical. The weak dollar benefits the US, though, so the only people who complain are people who don't understand the effects of currency on the economy, or Europeans who are getting royally f'd over by the weak US dollar.

As for the economy, it's not tanking. That's what the funny thing is. Unemployment is still low. Job market is cooling off, yes, but there is no indication that a massive round of layoffs is about to hit. You have the morons who gave out the subprime mortgages like candy, but a recession was due soon anyway. Until the unemployment numbers start to hit 6, I won't even break a sweat about the economy.

I'm voting for Romney...
by Banshee7
Feb 5th, 2008
11:02:02 AM
because he's the closest thing to a conservative in this race, (and that's really sad.) Obama is a flat out socialist, Hillary...the less said the better, and McCain is weak on illegal immigration and tax cuts. It's actually pretty depressing being a conservative in today's America. The Republicans had the table set to hold power for decades and actually reduce the size of government, but Bush turned out to be incompetent and the congress spent like drunken sailors. They blew it. Now we're looking at possibly electing an unapologetic socialist. Depressing.
If I've overreacted to that, then sorry
by Lost Jarv
Feb 5th, 2008
11:02:13 AM
Been reading the Guardian and it's wound me up.
Romney???
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
11:03:29 AM
Do you WANT a microchip implanted in your hand???
Samuel Fulmer: That's interesting
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:03:31 AM
See, I support maintaining US troops in Iraq because I believe that if the Iraqis aren't ready, ten of thousands of them will die in the ensuing civil war. I'm glad to see that you place more value on economy than human life. The South would've loved you in the antebellum period.
I choose to not vote
by MemBirdman
Feb 5th, 2008
11:05:08 AM
Partly because I agree wholeheartedly with what Harry said....meet with others, even if you disagree, hang together, then do something. I think our government is too old and bloated to do any of that so I choose to not participate in any of it.

by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
11:05:16 AM
Ron Paul is a feeble old man who ran in the eighties and lost because he is a feeble old man that sounds like an old woman. No other country will take us seriously if he is our president. The same thing can be said about McCain who is also a feeble old man, but replace the "sounds like an old woman" with says dumbass senial shit. And can anyone tell me how the fuck Ronald Reagan got to be some kind of God? He was one of the worst presidents we ever had! It almost couldn't get any worse until Bush came along. And Reagan was king of saying dumbass senial shit while he was in office, but at least he a had alzheimers so he had an excuse, unlike Bush or McCain. Why do rebublicans always try and elect feeble old men?
j-bot: They may be old, but I'm sure they can spell 'senile'
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:07:19 AM
Wow, way to help your case there.
btw
by xevoid
Feb 5th, 2008
11:08:33 AM
if you morons think Obama would runt he same campaign against McCain he is running against Hillary you are fools. He's very smart, changing strategies to suit the opponent, and I would expect no less. He can't fully plan strategy for the general nomination yet because it's only fucking super tuesday...but theres tons of things he can do int he general electaion against McCain. Hell, half of the wingnuts wont even vote for him because they get their marching orders from Rush, and Rush says he would never vote for McCain. GO MCCAIN! He's this Obama supporter's best friend!
Hey Chrth
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 5th, 2008
11:09:04 AM
You are a goober if you think our military being there is saving lives. How many have been lost since we got in there, I'm guessing more than if Saddam was still there. Sure leaving will lead to many dead at first, but what's the differnce in 50,000 dying in a month and no more killed, or 50,000 killed in the current slow burn? They are going to die weather we're there or not. I guess you think we should still be in Nam too! And what the south has to do with this is anyone's guess. Maybe you like to hang out with your little buddies and play dress up during the weekends living out your Ken Burns fetish.
Stick to movies AICN
by Dr. Egon Spengler
Feb 5th, 2008
11:09:07 AM
Because your political discussions are at best, laughable. Before I read every single one of your talkbacks, I pretty much knew what I was getting into and oh my, you guys (and gals) didn't let me down. I have yet to see an intelligent post that clearly argues for a candidate (or against one). All I really see is not so subtle attempts to sling mud at each other; just like the politicians love to do!! What a fucking shock! "Obama is Muslim", "Barack Hussein Obama" (are you fucking kidding me with that? - yeah, it's his middle name which means jack shit!), "Republicans are religious dickheads", "Liberals are all pot smoking hippies". You guys are brilliant! Absolutely fucking brilliant!!
OBAMA is not the right man for this period of history!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
11:09:08 AM
He hasn't even fulfilled a single term in Congress! Are we willing to take such a bold risk on a man who has never been tested in the military or in a full term of Congress?
LostJarv
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
11:11:05 AM
It's cool man. I was really only joking! Sure half my relations live in Dagenham. I don't hate you or your country. And you're not responsible for what happened 80 years ago. It's under the bridge and nobody cares anymore. In fact I owe ya one for Glastonbury. Probably the most fun I've ever had. Friends?
What the South has to do with it
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:11:14 AM
They cared more about economy than people's lives as well, too. Figured that would be obvious. Guess I expected too much of you, huh?
chth
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
11:11:27 AM
Hey, so what, I couldn't remember how to spell senile. I'm not gonna take the effort to go look it up just so can post is stupid aicn talkback. Who care? Just because I couldn't spell that one fuking word does not invalidate my opinion or make any of the above mentioned more qualified to be our president. And I'm willing to put money on the fact that McCain doesn't know how to spell without looking it up either.
Hey Stan
by skimn
Feb 5th, 2008
11:11:52 AM
I see BSB tore a hole in your mortgage argument, and you have not responded. The Rush comment I made earlier comes from years of listening to Limbaugh, and recognizing his technique of using half-truths and faulty logic to prove a point. Sorry about the fellatio reference, that was uncalled for.
chrth...you obviously know a lot about economics...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
11:12:13 AM
...but I don't quite get your point...are you saying things now are good and as they should be?
Hey, Egon, Janine called
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
11:12:14 AM
She wants to know why you won't shut up and fuck her already.
"never been tested in the military or in a full term of Congress
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:12:14 AM
You just described Dubya. Didja know that? And I would take Obama over that possum chaser any day.
okay...
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
11:14:08 AM
my spelling and grammar in that last post was pretty bad. I'll admit that.
CHRTH
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:14:35 AM
I disagree about the employment prospects. The market is driven on news and predictions. January labor report showed a loss of 17,000 jobs. December showed a reduction in consumer spending. That kinds of news drives executives to start slashing costs. I think it's wise to start sweating now rather than later.
Vote for Alan Keyes!
by xevoid
Feb 5th, 2008
11:14:58 AM
The Right man for the Right job at the Right time for the right reasons because he's right, alrighty? Right!
IS HARRY GONNA SEND US SOME REFRESHMENTS IN THIS TALKBACK
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:16:44 AM
Feels like a cocktail party in here.
I'm posting this again...then I give up.
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
11:17:32 AM
America has always needed both Left and Right, Democrats and Republicans (yes, I know that they haven't always been called by those names, but the principles still existed). It's a Yin and Yang sort of thing. In the early twentieth century things were very "Republican"...individualism, big business etc... Well, that was great for a while, but then we ended up with insanely rich robber barons putting eight year olds to work in coal mines, old people eating each other to stay alive, the great depression etc... So, then the "democrats" or "left" took over for a while...that got us social security (so your fat ass won't starve to death when you are old), medicare, child labor laws, minimum wage (so your asshole boss at Seven-Eleven has to pay you at least six bucks an hour) etc... And that was good stuff. But none of us really wanted to live in a completely Socialist country, so eventually things tipped back the other way. You see? The other side doesn't suck, sometimes the stew needs a little salt, and sometimes it needs a little pepper. Now at the moment I would argue that we have been salted up the ass for the last eight years and we need a big, big dose of pepper....we are quickly heading back to the robber baron-eight year olds in the coal mines days. Time for the "Left" to think about the little guy for a while...maybe get some universal health care for real (because pretty soon only Mitt Romney and the Bush family are going to be able to afford to get their appendix out if they need to). In conclusion, neither the Ying nor the Yang of American politics is BAD. At the moment though we have just been Yanged up the butt for eight years and we desperately need a little soothing Ying lotion for a while. If you think about it you will know it's true...I will even let you quote me at parties...people will think you're a genius.
mode_7
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
11:18:05 AM
Thanks.
It's a dilema...
by Pipple
Feb 5th, 2008
11:18:34 AM
Barack's basically a black john Kerry. Big deal... People suppose he'll be an intelligent president but I think he'll be boring, honestly. He's like a robot. Then there's Hilary, who's basically John Kerry with tits. We need a president who has balls because balls is what matters in this world... but none of them seem to have it... sigh. Osama Bin Laden for president.
chrth, If you cared about lives
by Samuel Fulmer
Feb 5th, 2008
11:20:05 AM
then we would not be in Iraq. You're believing in a fantasy that we're our military are superheroes whose very presence in an area makes situations better. I respect life, but at this point the way this war has been run and will be run, there is no way to win this thing saving lives. If the USA does not get any of the oil, this war will lead to the bankrupting of our economy that isn't just an issue of wealth, but an issue of vulnerability. If you want to live in The United States of China, be my guess. Where do you think funding for this mess is coming from? We can never accomplish the goal of saving lives there, it's ingrained in the culture and history. People are going to die there if we're there or not. It's just a matter of it happening all at once (which I admit would happen if we left), or the comporable slow burn that we are seeing now.
Alan Keyes
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
11:21:06 AM
doesn't know he's black.
Obama has many goals for social programs.
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
11:21:34 AM
Interpretation: Barack Hussein Obama plans to TAX THE HELL out of any American with a college diploma!
Testicular Fortitude is overrated, Pippie
by xevoid
Feb 5th, 2008
11:22:58 AM
We have had 8 years of a president with big balls. Personally I am sick of hick presidents. I was raised a hick. Down with hicks. It's time we elected a northerner and someone with brains instead of just balls. No Hickabee. No hick Clinton. McCain's a hick from Arizona. Romney's a Mormon, which is a western hick. Ron Paul is just an ass. Maybe a hick too. But Obama's no hick. And he plays Basketball. Gobama!
heh-heh.... you said 'period'
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
11:23:01 AM
I think I pissed LostJarv off....sorry
by EvilGeek1
Feb 5th, 2008
11:26:33 AM
Wrong, FlickaPoo
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
11:26:46 AM
Left and Right are just designs constructed by the Elite to distract us from the agenda they've been nursing from the beginning. They have kept people divided arguing over whether the nation is this way or that way, so that they can't see the CFR, Bilderberg, etc. molding the world the way THEY collectively see it. Have any of you ever read about Bohemian Grove and the filthy things our politicians do there on their 'vacations'? If you do research the Grove and still don't believe it, just read about Hunter S. Thompson's involvement there and how he was asked to participate in a snuff film.
j-bot, Flickapoo, and BSB (my man!)
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:27:37 AM
j-bot: I just found it hysterical that 'senile' was the word misspelled. I mean, think about it. It'd be like me calling someone out for being a bad speeler.

Flickapoo: Things could always be better. Obviously some things (Katrina being the most obvious example) couldn't have been avoided, and the subprime mortgage crisis was brought about purely by greed, but then again, so was the Internet bubble, and the Real Estate bubble, and every other bubble that has ever happened in an economy. I'm not saying these things are predictable per se, I'm just saying that they happen in one form or another. Economies run in cycles. You're always somewhere in the cycle. And since economics forbids a perfect situation (everyone working + strong wages = high inflation leading to eventually not everyone working and wages not being worth as much). But the weak dollar is at a perfect time, because Europe will do a large part in keeping the recession from getting too deep.

BSB: In reality, one should never sweat. That's the problem I had with Bernanke's 3/4 drop the other week. It was a panic move. It tells everyone else to panic. DON'T PANIC! Nothing hurts an economy faster than an emotional, unreasoned response. If people fear that the price of stocks are going to drop so they move all their money to bonds -- guess what, the price of stocks will drop! It's self-fulfilling. If everyone would just be rational (and that includes the mortgage they take out), the economy wouldn't have as many problems.

Of course, if stagflation sets in ... run for the hills!

LOL!!!
by ebolamonkey
Feb 5th, 2008
11:28:07 AM
"Why do you like the candidate you're supporting and voting for?" Harry asks with a devilish grin as he pours gasoline all over the lot of you. It's like I'm in fourth grade social studies only my teacher has been replaced by Mr.Blonde. Dance monkeys! Dance for AICN's amusement!
EVIL GEEK
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:28:10 AM
He said he was sorry for over-reacting to your post. No worries.
YES WE CAN
by LegoKenobi
Feb 5th, 2008
11:28:32 AM
sorry, but how can anyone see a video like this and not be inspired? http://my.barackobama.com/page /invite/yeswecanvideo
"then we would not be in Iraq"
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:29:47 AM
We're in Iraq. Period. It doesn't matter how we got there. What is past is past. My position is the same now as it always was: do whatever minimizes the loss of life. I know there's a lot of people out there who care more about two thousand Americans dying than they do twenty thousand Iraqis dying, but I'm not one of them.
EBOLA - IT'S BEEN VERY CIVIL IN HERE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:30:09 AM
and Harry's cool for giving everyone a forum to voice their opinion on this day.
Obama is the way to go!
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
11:31:17 AM
I've never really been into politics until recently. Growing up, I was too lost in fantasy, science fiction, comedy, movies, etc. I of course pursued my main love, cinema (or rather, art in general), not paying too much attention to the political scene. I'm a white guy in America, why would I? Never paid attention, that is, until a little administration came along led by a man named George W. Bush. Ever since 9/11 I wondered how our country had gotten to be in a state where we could be attacked like we were; my whole global perspective was shattered in a moment's time. Ever since then I've done some heavy research; not just on 9/11 and why we were attacked/who attacked us, but on our role as a nation in this world. I traveled to Mexico and Guatemala to see poverty in some of it's harshest forms. Saw how our surplus of luxury and convenience was affecting the world beyond our borders; devastating economies and fueling hatred. We have things too easy here, and by us, I mean well-off white men. Harry's right, if the "fairy tale" foundations of America aren't pursued, then nothing near Eutopian society will ever exist and we're pretty much doomed. Obama has brought attention to those in pain in his state of Illinois by establishing universal healthcare for as many as he could. He sees the potential in our hard-working, resident aliens and knows immigration reform does not mean shutting down the borders. He knows that suburban America is just simply not the way to construct a society given Mother Earth's natural resources. I trust him. He makes me feel like America can be something good again instead of succumbing to the patriotic intoxication of power like every other empire the world has come to know. I'm going to the polls, for the first time, with a large amount of hope. I hope you will too.
Vote for Ron Paul
by thejwac
Feb 5th, 2008
11:32:47 AM
Unless you want to stay in Iraq for a 100 years like McCain or suck off the special interests like Mittens Romney.
GingerBallz: I would've been able to take that a lot
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:34:22 AM
more seriously ... if your login name wasn't GingerBallz. Just a thought.

Just kidding. Well said. Disagree with it, but well said.

GingerBallz: Now wait a second
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:35:19 AM
Are you trying to say that Bush did all that himself in less than 9 months?
CHRTH
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:36:42 AM
I agree that panic is not healthy in the marketplace. I could have sworn Bernanke's rate cut would boost confidence, but as you said, it had the opposite effect. Everyone panicked and sold. (although Yahoo rose, what, 49% on Microsoft's bid? Talk about a crazy market) But that's the mechanism. A lot of people really did have patience with the market through 2007 despite the mortgage meltdown, but now the problems are being seen to be systematic and not limited anymore. And my thinking is, if your company is sound, don't lay people off. But corporate execs don't think that way. They only look towards maxing profits and their own bonuses, and one of their first actions is layoffs, which makes things worse across the economy. So to my friends I say, save save save.
help the poor canadian...lol
by Bouncy X
Feb 5th, 2008
11:38:20 AM
just a quick question, whats the point of all this "pre-voting" stuff months and even a year before the actual elections? whats the reason or point or whatnot? because here in canada, we just go vote when its election time and thats. well they go, i've personally never voted in my life but i live in canada, cant blame me. anyway yeah, whats all this about?
OK, Harry, I'll run right out & vote. Aw, hell...
by rockgolf
Feb 5th, 2008
11:39:25 AM
I'm Canadian.
GINGERBALLZ
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:39:29 AM
Food for thought. Thanks.
I'm voting Obama because he's black.
by Batutta
Feb 5th, 2008
11:39:31 AM
And for no other reason! Suck it honky's!!!
OK Mr. chrth...what about health care?...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
11:40:09 AM
...sounds like you probably have a steady job in the financial sector...maybe even one of the few jobs left that provides health care. I'm self employed and work my ass off...pretty successful (illustrated several books to be found at a quality book store near you...), and a private family health care plan would cost more than my mortgage (a sensible 30 year fixed). If I get seriously ill I plan to blow my brains out on the Capital Steps... People don't work at Ford or Chrysler for forty years with full benefits anymore...that's a thing of the past.
Screw Ron Paul
by xevoid
Feb 5th, 2008
11:41:39 AM
Ron Paul is an ass. Vote for Ron Paul if you want to national currency standard to be reverted to pieces of eight.
GingerBallz...preach it brother....
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
11:43:59 AM
...but seriously, I thought my screen name was bad...
BringingSexyBack and Stan Gable
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
11:45:51 AM
Thanks for the compliments. It's the truth, pure and simple. The problem is people are afraid of truth. It will make them accountable for themselves.
Really sad...
by ollerom
Feb 5th, 2008
11:46:16 AM
It's really sad that people dont get there facts straight and call Obama a Muslim. They probably still are calling him a Muslim even after one of the talkbackers pointed it out. And what if he was a Muslim that shouldn't be a reason not to vote for him. It should be based on the person's issues not his/her religion.
chrth
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
11:47:33 AM
I'm glad I could make you laugh. But hey, that's the AICN talkback for ya. If you wanted a serious debate on politics you wouldn't be here.
Yeah, Fixx, Obama isn't a Muslim.
by Lenny Nero
Feb 5th, 2008
11:50:54 AM
Maybe that will help.
DON'T VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAINBERG
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:52:35 AM
He's Muslim too.
Ron Paul is an ass.
by xevoid
Feb 5th, 2008
11:53:19 AM
Ron Paul supports.....

* Eliminating birthright citizenship (a key provision of the 14th Amendment that overturned the Dred Scott decision)

* Withdrawing the United States from the United Nations

* Withdrawing the United States from the NATO Alliance

* Authored legislation saying that life begins at conception, to prevent federal money from being spent on family planning (that would include contraception), and has tried to amend the Constitution to "guarantee the right to life."

* Tried to repeal the Occupational Health and Safety Act, to abolish the minimum wage, and to eviscerate Social Security.

* Wants guns in schools.

* Has tried to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act to guarantee employees of federal contractors the prevailing wage and wants to make it easier to decertify a union.

* Wants to dismantle the Federal Reserve and prepare for a return to the Gold Standard, which would destroy the economy.

* Actually submitted bills to congress that would have disallowed the use of the dollar for the payment of taxes and to pay foreign debts.

I repeat. Ron Paul is an ass. Don't vote for an ass. I could provide links to back all of these up but that would take up a lot of time and you'd never read them.
"one of the few jobs left that provides health care"? Gar?
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:53:42 AM
Plenty of jobs provide health care (I work for a furniture manufacturer/importer). Yes, self-employed doesn't. But that's the cost of self-employment.

Look, I'd love for Universal Health Care. I'd be able to quit my job ten years earlier. It'll be fantastic. But everyone needs to understand something: Hilary couldn't get a stripped down UHC system going with the Democrats in Congress. The idea of Obama pushing through UHC with at least 40% of congress being Republican is laughable.

The best plan I've seen is from the Undercover Economist, which is basically government mandated health care savings (I think Kerry had a similar plan in 2004).

ricarleite
by DocPazuzu
Feb 5th, 2008
11:55:56 AM
If I'm not mistaken, he's the VERY silly candidate.
Bill did not call Obama a fairy tale
by CherryValance
Feb 5th, 2008
11:56:06 AM
Jesus Christ, how many people just believe everything their local news media edits out of context and feeds them? Since they haven't played the whole clip for so long even I've forgotten what he said exactly but he was talking about some idea of Obama's being a fairy tale. Not Obama's campaign for president being a fairy tale. It's scary how they were able to do that and everyone fell right in line. Personally I can't stand Obama and I can't wait 'til he rips off his face and starts singing "There's got to be a morning after...." From day one I thought he was a plant (or patsy, if you will). He's so phony it's dripping off of him and everyone's falling for it. He reminds me of that bum they had to clean up on "Good Times" when Willona had to meet with the social workers to see if she could adopt Penny. Anyone who really wants change will be voting for Ron Paul. Edwards and Kucinich were good guys but they bailed on us.

btw, people shouldn't believe in other people. I don't care who they are, they will let you down.
I'm out, fellas
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
11:56:20 AM
Enjoyed the chat, but I am operating on no sleep in 48 hours (insomnia, I'm thinking about joining Fight Club). And I've lost 5 pounds in the last week (what I've eaten so far today: a couple spoonfuls of yogurt). So yeah, I'm recovering from being sick. Peace out.
SO RON PAUL WANTS TO SEND THE USA BACK 180 YEARS?
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:56:31 AM
Motherfuck Ron Paul.
BringingSexyBack
by ugly
Feb 5th, 2008
11:56:34 AM
McCain's a Muslim? Ah hell! First Presbyterian then Baptist, then Sunni. Sigh.
LATERZ CHRTH
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
11:57:24 AM
Vote and save
Beeblebrox '08
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
11:58:36 AM
When one head and two arms aren't enough.
I'D VOTE FOR ROMNEY IF HE SHOWS ME HIS TITS TOO
by Evil Lincoln
Feb 5th, 2008
11:58:47 AM
You're not right, BringingSexyBack!
ccchhhrrriiisssm
by caninedevotion
Feb 5th, 2008
11:59:41 AM
I didn't realize how many neo-con assholes frequented AintItCool. Particularly you, ccchhhrrriiisssm. Your "logic" is laughable. From your vapid little list of reasons, to your judgement on what a "normal" American is. OOooOO change COULD be bad?! Oh no! Fucking moron.
UGLY - YES HIS FATHER'S COUSIN'S NANNY'S BOYFRIEND'S MOTHER
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
12:00:09 PM
read the Koran once.

BEWARE SADDAM ACHMED MCCEINNI

It's so funny how Bill Clinton gets upset
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
12:01:11 PM
when you ask him real questions instead of pitching softballs. Same thing with Hillary. She'll answer the softballs, but will never answer a real question, and then cry because you're picking on her.
BROS BEFORE HOES!!!
by Evil Lincoln
Feb 5th, 2008
12:01:39 PM
Vote Obama, yo Momma!
BROS BEFORE HOES!!!
by Evil Lincoln
Feb 5th, 2008
12:01:43 PM
Vote Obama, yo Momma!
CLOVERCRAB 08!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
12:01:54 PM
More wreckage than even Cheney or Rumsfeld can dream of.
Obama or Hillary
by antonphd
Feb 5th, 2008
12:03:08 PM
Go to their websites and you'll see extensive discussion on the issues. They are 99% the same. I agree with Harry on Obama. He is like Hillary, but he also inspires people to feel confident about being an American again. That IS important. If you have been following the primary so far... you will see massize record breaking turn out of new and young and minority voters. It is amazing. People feeling like they can take control of their own government. It is a wonderful thing. You can call hope and change empty words... say he doesn't talk about issues... it's not true... sure he does... but he also talks about hope and change and that does make the news more because it touches people in a very depressing time in our country. On the issues, come on, Hillary and Obama are near identical. People believe Obama. Because he makes them believe in themselves. Believing in yourself... call it drinking the kool-aid if you want... I call it embracing the core American belief.
By the way...
by caninedevotion
Feb 5th, 2008
12:03:38 PM
Why don't you post 80 more times, dickhead? "Oh those fucking ULTRA-LIBS!!" Get your head out of Ann Coulter's vagina, fuckface. It's obviously been marinating in there for awhile.
Universal Health Care? Riddle me this...
by biggles2_22
Feb 5th, 2008
12:12:00 PM
...You get in a multivehicle car accident. You get picked up by an ambulance, so does Chelsey Clinton. Under UHC, do you end up in the same hospitals? Do you know why Canada tried to make it illegal to pick up private health insurance on top of UHC?? Two tiered health care baby. I lived in Canada in the 90's and their medical facilities existed somewhere in the early 80's. Had to travel back to the states for a competent surgeon. You idiots need to stop looking to a God-Government to solve all of your problems. It usually makes it worse. If any of you morons studied history, you'd realize that. What have 8 years of Republican control given us?? Ask yourself what the f(*&^ 8 years of any president has given us. I mean really! You think the 90's weren't a prelude to the 2000's? Our economy is correcting right now because of all the STUPID borrowing done in the 90's. I'm a "neo-con" and I don't blame Clinton for that (although I know he likes to take credit for a great economy, yay!). You think Hillary will be the choice for 08'? Listen to any of her political speeches and ask yourself this question: Can I really listen to this for 4-8 years? You'll come to the same conclusion that I came to when Al Gore and John (you know I served in Viet Nam) Kerry were running. I could listen to Obama Hussein for a term and couldn't stand McCain's cheeck spitting speech impediment. Got no problem listening to Mitt or Mike. So I guess if you've got any sense you'd like to see Obama or Romney or Huckabee. aaaaaand my lunch is over so bye.
voting for obama based on charisma
by foree forehead
Feb 5th, 2008
12:15:45 PM
any bush voter who slates this "gut-feeling" style of casting a ballot better take a long look in the fucking mirror. if asked before the 2000 election what bush had done, you'd have come up with: dodged vietnam while campaigning in oklahoma when he was supposed to be in the air national guard (a gig his dad hooked him up with), went on an undestinguished private sector career of failed oil company ventures and ownership of a baseball team, before electrocuting a lot of people as governor of texas. his verbal gaffes and incurious intellect were ignored when he campaigned for potus because people like his folksy demeanor and down-home honesty and christianity. when elected he enjoyed plummeting approval ratings, an extra-long vacation and then ran around the country on 9/11 before a photo-op showed him standing on top of a pile of rubble with a bullhorn in his mouth like a bad action movie hero. later he crawled under his oval office desk and, for a press corps dinner slideshow, joked "those WMDs gotta be around here somewhere!" the rest gets even worse. so i guess bush voters don't have leg to stand on re: obama charisma criticism. we should however pay attention to their foolishness and learn from it.
xevoid
by tile_mcgillus
Feb 5th, 2008
12:20:14 PM
All that sounds pretty awesome. Except when you draw conclusions about destroying the economy and social security. They are already destroyed and need to be fixed not more of the same. Good luck getting your social security. The economy is so good right now anyway...
Hillary is obviously a Muslim
by SpyGuy
Feb 5th, 2008
12:22:35 PM
I mean, why else would she always keep her legs covered up?

Oh, yeah...CANKLES.

Ron Paul is the Republican's Nader...
by Batutta
Feb 5th, 2008
12:26:01 PM
I'm glad they can finally feel the dems pain. As far as Obama being muslim, it's clear he is not, but don't you think having someone in the oval office who at least has SOME understanding of Islam is a great idea. And just the fact that our leader is called Barak Hussein Obama will make many disenfranchised Muslim youth re-evaluate their ideas about this country. At least the moderates, who are usually the biggest percentage of any population.
Sick Fixx is a Scientologist
by wash
Feb 5th, 2008
12:29:17 PM
See how easy that is? Hey everyone, TB is just troll paradise, let's not even try to have a real discussion.
Republicans for Obama!
by TheKeenGuy
Feb 5th, 2008
12:32:01 PM
Here in Virginia, our primary is going to be next week, and it's an open primary, meaning you can vote for whichever party's nomination you like. By then, McCain should already have his nomination pretty well wrapped up, so a lot of the Republicans here, it turns out, are planning to vote for Obama in the Democratic primary in order to knock Clinton out of the race. It's a fascinating movement, since it seems more than anything, what people want is Not Clinton.
But antonphd...
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
12:34:13 PM
the "new and young and minority voters" never vote come election day. Why was bush re-elected if everyone hated him? Where were the young people and minorities then? I'll tell you where, sitting at home, hugging their ideals, and saying their vote doesn't matter. So much for the young voter.
OBAMA
by dr sauch
Feb 5th, 2008
12:38:32 PM
I'm sorry, but charisma is in fact a desirable quality in a candidate. We need a unifying leader who will rebuild our image with the rest of the world. Hilary and Obama stand for roughly the same things. Universal healthcare is NOT a possibility, not in this large a country. Obama is more reasonable, more measured, and NOT A FUCKING PARTY INSIDER WHO WILL BE A FUCKING PUPPET FOR ANYONE WHO CAN AFFORD HIM. PEOPLE WHO TALK UP CLINTON HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO, POWER IN THE HANDS OF INSIDERS!!!! TAKE BACK YOUR GOVT, VOTE OBAMA!!!!
Sick Fixx
by The Funketeer
Feb 5th, 2008
12:39:04 PM
You might not be a racist or a bigot but you're definitely and ignorant fool. Muslims didn't attack this country. Individuals did. Weak willed people with minds of their own who happened to be stupid enough to follow the teachings of a man who twists the beliefs of a religion to suit his violent needs. Horrific acts like that have been performed by Christians and in the name of Christianity but you don't seem to have a problem with a Christian in the White House. Why is that?
Germany voted for Hitler on charisma
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
12:39:15 PM
and that worked out rather well. Not.
Regardless of the nominations, THE DEMS WILL LOSE
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
12:39:58 PM
The Dems are a divided camp. Even the Kennedys can't decide who endorse. But no matter who gets the Dem's nomination, the other camp will try to ruin their election campaign. Both Obama and Clinton will be feeling the scars for quite some time.
foree forehead, you are dead on about Bush
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
12:41:52 PM
That's why I never voted for him. For a brief shining moment after 9/11 it looked like things were going to work out. He took us into Afghanistan, who was hoarding Bin Laden, but then he dragged us into Iraq just because he felt like it. I even reluctantly voted for Kerry. I hated his liberal stances on many issues, but at least he didn't bring us into a war we had no business being in.
I couldn't have a beer with Obama.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
12:42:29 PM
Looks like he'd order a club soda instead. Now Hillary, you know she'd drink you under the table.
Ann Coulter said if it's between
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
12:43:17 PM
Hillary and McCain, she's voting for Hillary...

talk about a divided party

Caninedevotion, don't hate me because I am conservative...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
12:46:29 PM

...or because I realize that Obama is an inexperience, self-promoting little dick.

I care far too much about this country than to put it into the hands of someone as inexperienced (one year in Congress before deciding to run for President) and ULTRA-LIBERAL as Barack Hussein Obama.

Get a job, Hippie! Barack's plan to TAX THE HELL out of middle class people with college diploma's isn't going to provide you more welfare! Right now, I am not yet middle class. If Barack has his way, I might never want to be!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

irrelevntelefant: it's not a divided party
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
12:46:32 PM
Coulter and Limbaugh think they represent the whole party. They represent only themselves. There are more moderate and left-leaning republicans than there are arch-conservatives of their ilk. Frankly, I'd love for those shitheads to drop out of the party altogether.
And you definitely can't have a beer with Romney
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
12:47:03 PM
Chthlulu/ Voltron '08
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
12:47:54 PM
Liberals like Obama only tolerate themselves...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
12:50:20 PM
...and those who will agree to vote for them. Besides, Obama goes both ways -- for the ultra-liberal leaders of the Democratic Party and for an unconditional surrender to the Terrorists! Is it no wonder that the terrorists are praying to Allah that Barack Hussein Obama wins the nomination?!?
Hitler was charismatic too!
by biggles2_22
Feb 5th, 2008
12:51:21 PM
That said, Osama-er-Oroma-er-Obama should be the Democratic nominee, unless you really want to be listening to Hillary nagging you for the next 8 years. Another pop question: If you could send in more money to the government by checking a box on your tax return (you know, so they could do more great work with it), would you?
chrty
by ugly
Feb 5th, 2008
12:52:30 PM
Romney is the kind of man you want to have a caffeine-free diet Pepsi with!
9 out of 10 terrorists prefer Barack Hussein Obama!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
12:53:27 PM
While the other one out of ten prefer Hillary's "politics of hope."

McCain/Condi in 2008!

Give 'em Hell, Johnny! Give those terrorist bastards and liberal pussies Hell!

I'm voting for whomever makes this happen --->
by Abin Sur
Feb 5th, 2008
12:54:17 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2l6omw. I will whore my vote to whichever candidate gets me more Lost, 24 and BSG!
I have an illustrated childrens biography of Charles Darwin...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
12:54:25 PM
...coming out next year. If some of you flaming right wingers (not that there is anything wrong with that) could protest and try to get it banned I would sell far more copies. Maybe get Bill O'Riley or someone to say that it's pro atheism pro science and anti American? I would really appreciate it...you can't buy publicity like that.
Remember when Harry picked HD-DVD?
by RAVENL0RD
Feb 5th, 2008
12:57:03 PM
We all know how that turned out. Well, at least this site isn't psycho-liberal like those jerks at CHUD. Also, as someone said earlier, change is not necessarily a good thing. If someone said that he was for changing the American flag to a giant picture of an armadillo, that would be change too. Also, I don't vote for a candidate based on "charisma." Anyone who does vote for someone based on such a thing needs to reevaluate themselves because they are extremely shallow. Vote for somebody who you agree with on the issues, please.
ricarleite
by DocPazuzu
Feb 5th, 2008
12:58:45 PM
I stand corrected!
crth...
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
12:59:59 PM
i grew up in Sacramento when Limbaugh was just a local AM talk-jock.

he was a blowhard deuschebag back then as well.

bill hicks had a great line about limbaugh, don't remember it verbatim - something along the lines of Reagan took a shit and out came Limbaugh

i'm going out on a limb and guess ccchhhrrriiisssm is a 'ditto head'. they like to use Obamas full name in hopes people will subconsiuosly connect him to Sadam and Osama...

Democrats want to move the White House to San Francisco...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:00:13 PM

...and let the destruction of America begin!

Well, maybe not. But they will try their best to force the "morality" of San Francisco to become the "norm" for the rest of America.

DemocRATs care more about saving the whales than they do saving unborn babies. What does Barack know about being black? He is a Harvard sell out, with nothing in common with the rest of us!

Do you hear that? Whhoooooosh! It is the sound of millions of minorities leaving the DemocRATic Party because they realize that the DemocRATic Party does not represent our traditions, values or beliefs!

Ms. Pelosi, promises of more welfare benefits just don't cut it anymore!

Barak Obama. The name alone gives him zero cred with America.
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
01:01:41 PM
Really how come no one has mentioned this? Nobody is going to vote for someone that sounds like Osama's cousin. Let alone Saddam's half brother.
irrelevntelefant...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:03:29 PM
Uh...no.

I just realize that Barack Hussein Obama (that IS his name) is just another inexperienced, ultra-liberal little dick. Try to keep the HATE and STEREOTYPING to a minimum, k?

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
Harry's endorsement of Obama is much like his reviews...
by Psalmolive
Feb 5th, 2008
01:04:53 PM
...he enjoys all hype and no substance.
Sorry, anchorite, I'm only 33
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:05:06 PM
I'll run in 2012 for you :)
Barack Hussein Obama is no Ronald Reagan...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:07:29 PM
...no matter how he tries to find a similarity!

Rather, Barack Obama is more like an inexperienced little rich dick who likes to play the race card while sissy fighting with the likes of Hillary Clinton and her husband.

Barack is no Reagan, and Hillary is no Bill!

McCain/Condi in 2008!

Heck, I would even take Romney over either Hussein Obama or Rodham Clinton!

again, Godwin's Law
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
01:07:59 PM
Someone else said 'Hitler was charismatic too.' As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
John Whiteface / David Beatinwife 08!
by Kraken
Feb 5th, 2008
01:08:48 PM
Would those names make all you idiots happier? How does it feel knowing you're a drooling mouth breathing that can't have an original thought unless someone like Limbaugh screams it into your hollow skull?
Why Ron Paul has no chance
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:11:11 PM
In West Virginia, they do a convention-style awarding of delegates. No one won the first round, but Ron Paul was eliminated first.

He was at the convention stumping for himself (along with Hucks and Romns), but McCain wasn't. But McCain moved on, and Paul didn't. In Basketball terms, Paul got outscored by McCain-DNP

Kraken, be serious
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:12:33 PM
Everyone knows David Beatinwife would never accept the VP spot
Rush Linbaugh or Al Franken ...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:14:47 PM

...who cares? They don't represent their parties any more than you or I.

They don't represent us any more than FoxNews represents the Republicans or CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/New York Times/Washington Post/ most Hollywood executives represent the Democratic Party, right?

So is harry now a part of F.A.G.?
by knowthyself
Feb 5th, 2008
01:16:18 PM
Film Actors Guild.
notice in mcbanes commercials
by gripman
Feb 5th, 2008
01:17:00 PM
all that bush-bot ever talks about is war and military service? While Iraq and the murdering of thousands at bush/cheney's hands is important, this country is falling apart from the inside. billary can't beat mcbane and Obama inspires me to be an American ...romney is right out
Reagan before Obama or Hillary!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:17:32 PM
...because I would rather vote for a dead senile Reagan than a living ultra-liberal activist schmucks like Hillary or Obama!
ccchhhiiisssm
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
01:18:38 PM
McCain won't give anyone hell. When he was in Veitnam he got caught!
ccchhhrrriiisssm
by caninedevotion
Feb 5th, 2008
01:19:10 PM
I didn't say I hated you, shitbag. I said your logic is bankrupt and you have been marinating your head in Ann Coulter's vagina. Saying that Obama plays the race card, when he so clearly doesn't, is a form of racism. Your bullshit "what terrorists want is a democrat in office" anecdotes would be hilarious if you weren't serious. I don't hate you, ccchhhrrriiisssm. I would just punch your nose through your empty fucking head if I had the pleasure of hearing your brilliant little witticisms in person. I suppose that would also entail punching Ann Coulter in the pussy, so double win there. Eat shit, you fucking chooch. No one wants to hear your conservative-pundit-inspired crap. You're mediocre. Fuck you and everyone that looks like you. *Yes I know that Ann Coulter has a dick and has claimed that she would rather vote for Hillary than McCain. I don't care, fuck you.
J-Dizzle
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:21:54 PM
If you think us Dems are divided, you should look at the Republican side. Limbaugh and Coulter have both entertained the idea of voting either for a Democrat or abstaining from voting for the Republicans because they are just that disgusted with their own party right now. It's historic. Limbaugh and Coulter, for whom formerly no lie was ever too big, no slander too egregious, as long as it stood to keep the GOP in power. As for the Democrats, believe it or not, since Edwards dropped out things have actually gotten a lot more civil.
I'm just gonna go vote to help my people
by Han Cholo
Feb 5th, 2008
01:22:22 PM
I'll be there to stand by my Native American brothers in order to solidify their hold on Indian gaming thus helping them to gain financial stability and to help other tribes gain in number so that one day they can once again enjoy a better quality of life, help the children get a good education, and overall help a community which has wrongfully been forced into poverty. My hope is that one day they can regain that which was lost but until then, I will be there when I'm needed.
Obama inspires...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:22:37 PM
...terrorists to never give up!

What a deceitful, inexperienced little rich prick!

McCain served this nation with HONOR, while all of those LIBERAL HIPPIES were calling him a "baby killer." He endured 5 1/2 years of torture in a Prisoner of War camp known as the "Hanoi Hilton." Barack? He endured working as a lawyer for Rezko for 5 years in order to keep the government from shutting down his slum houses in Chicago!

Barack Hussein Obama is not experienced, sincere or worthy to preside over the office of President of the United States! His ultra-liberal activism makes him unfit to serve as Commander and Chief!

Responses
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
01:24:05 PM
First of all, I thank anyone on here that can debate about something so important in any kind of mature manner. Yeah, my name is GingerBallz (Flight of the Conchords reference in case you didn't know), and I LOVE to joke around, but I really want a change in this country. crth (sorry, I'm new here and can't find your post again to get your name right), I'm not saying anything like that about Bush. I am saying that he is not the kind of leader I want for my free country. His priorities and values only benefit a select few ( and I just have to say I think he's the worst speaker I've ever heard. It's like having a sixth-grader with a vocabulary of 50-cent words he doesn't understand trying to insert them where he wrongly thinks they should be). And no, I don't think he did that in 9 months by himself. I was just saying that was the instigator for my venture into political curiosity and involvement. As for those of you who keep saying "Obama isn't an American name"... and ridiculousness of that nature, I have news for you. We're a nation of immigrants and minorities. Personally, I like this country because we're not so homogenized. And after the past administration, the last thing I want is for some pompous representative of a way-too-selfish and repressive minority (ahem, the American white male, and before anyone jumps on me for saying that, I am one myself) to be leading the many who are not so privileged.
Responses
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
01:24:11 PM
First of all, I thank anyone on here that can debate about something so important in any kind of mature manner. Yeah, my name is GingerBallz (Flight of the Conchords reference in case you didn't know), and I LOVE to joke around, but I really want a change in this country. crth (sorry, I'm new here and can't find your post again to get your name right), I'm not saying anything like that about Bush. I am saying that he is not the kind of leader I want for my free country. His priorities and values only benefit a select few ( and I just have to say I think he's the worst speaker I've ever heard. It's like having a sixth-grader with a vocabulary of 50-cent words he doesn't understand trying to insert them where he wrongly thinks they should be). And no, I don't think he did that in 9 months by himself. I was just saying that was the instigator for my venture into political curiosity and involvement. As for those of you who keep saying "Obama isn't an American name"... and ridiculousness of that nature, I have news for you. We're a nation of immigrants and minorities. Personally, I like this country because we're not so homogenized. And after the past administration, the last thing I want is for some pompous representative of a way-too-selfish and repressive minority (ahem, the American white male, and before anyone jumps on me for saying that, I am one myself) to be leading the many who are not so privileged.
I am seriously surprised at all the rabid Right Wingers...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
01:24:38 PM
...on a movie site. What do you think will happen to your violent and delightfully bloody video games if the Christian Right takes over? Seriously, think about your own self interest...if they have their way you will be registered as a sex offender for putting "Slave Girls of the S.S." or any of Harry's other great sweaty titty titles on your NetFlix cue. Believe me, I grew up there...the Christian Right wants to take away your God of War.
ccchhhiii..who gives a fuck
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
01:26:00 PM
Again, why would being taken prisoner in Vietnam be a good quality in a president?
A TWO PARTY SYSTEM
by Baronmech
Feb 5th, 2008
01:26:30 PM
All I can think of is the Simpsons episode with the Alliens. "What are you going to do, it's a TWO PARTY SYSTEM" And Parot throws his hat. We are all F'ed no matter who gets elected. Sad really. None of them are going to fix a thing, democrat or republican. WHY?!? They make too much $$$ with the f'ed up system we live in.
caninedevotion...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:26:58 PM
...is that Barack Hussein Obama's dick in your mouth? Or is that Hillary's?

One can never be too certain.

Thank you for your anti-conservative bigotry that would even cause you to LIE for your liberal candidates! The Democratic Party's "politics of hate" have been highly successful in the past. Let's just hope that people will see through the LIES and realize what really matters in this election!

BIGOTRY & HATE truly are DEMOCRATIC PARTY values! *sigh*
Anyone else think Obama sounds like The Rock...
by Han Cholo
Feb 5th, 2008
01:27:09 PM
Cutting a promo?

I swear it sounds like he's gonna say something like "I'm gonna lay the smackdown on this jabroni!!" or something like that. He has the same voice almost that I want to laugh every time I hear him speak on TV.

Flickapoo
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:28:26 PM
Most of the conservatives on this site are more of the libertarian, pro-big business neocon foreign policy stripe. They like to pretend, fools that they are, that the religious right didn't buy out the Republican party under their hagiographied messiah Ronald Reagan twenty years ago.
ccchhhrrriiisssm
by gripman
Feb 5th, 2008
01:28:34 PM
neopukes like you deserve each other ...mcbane would embarrass us anywhere he goes. He's got a historic temper and would bitchslap the first sheik he met for lunch over the raspberry vinaigrette. neopukes like you are the testicular cancer on our American dream ...
han cholo
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
01:30:35 PM
He totally does! I've noticed that too
hagiographied messiah?!?!
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:30:38 PM
I have no idea what that means
han cholo
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
01:30:41 PM
He totally does! I've noticed that too

by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
01:30:45 PM
By the way, Reagan was a horrible President.
keep yelling republicans
by antonphd
Feb 5th, 2008
01:31:17 PM
it's all you can do this election. you lost congress and you're losing the executive this fall. you can bitch about who's right and who's wrong... won't change a thing. either a black man or a woman is going to be the commander in chief. but since they are democrats after all, you will still have the right to bitch all you want. they don't have a problem with free speak like you guys do.
I'm voting for PharteGodd.
by Badger999
Feb 5th, 2008
01:33:17 PM
I miss the jowls.
Thank YOU GINGERBALLZ
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
01:33:22 PM
i'm glad someone else noticed that. He's talked about like he's Fucking FDR or someshit.
Thank YOU GINGERBALLZ
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
01:33:28 PM
i'm glad someone else noticed that. He's talked about like he's Fucking FDR or someshit.
All you need to know about McCain
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:33:34 PM
Someone already posted it, but read it again and let it sink in. He proudly stated we would be in Iraq for 100 years, and when asked about Iran, took the moment, awkwardly, to channel an eight year old and sing "bomb Iran" (to the tune of the Beach Boys' Barbara Ann). He is an idiot and a neoconservative any-war-to-protect-Israel madman. Like W? You'll love McCain.
FlickaPoo...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:33:41 PM

Are you surprised that a conservative would be on a movie website?

Gulp ... are you even more surprised to find out that a poor but educated black man like myself would NOT want to vote for a ULTRA-LIBERAL candidate like Obama or Hillary? Why is it in your nature to stereotype?

I wouldn't vote for Hillary or Obama -- even if they were the only two people running! They are both BAD FOR AMERICA! Hillary is a insincere, power-hungry hate-monger and Obama is the Michael Jackson of ultra-liberal ideas (like tax and spend)!

McCain (or even Romney) are the only safe bets for America!

Here's my problem with Universal Health Care
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:36:17 PM
You just know the aliens outside of Vega are going to get screwed.
By the way, FDR was a horrible president...
by Abin Sur
Feb 5th, 2008
01:36:52 PM
He's the reason that we've got Social FUCKING Security, so that stupid motherfuckers that don't know how to save money can be taken care of. Sorry, but DO NOT rag on Reagan. You idiots think Jimmy Carter could've dismantled the Soviet machine?
chrth
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:36:52 PM
Hagiography is the posthumous "Sainting" of an individual, where they are apocryphally given a near-godly persona, and all flaws are swept under the rug.
Oh, that makes more sense
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:38:36 PM
I thought it was a Messiah in the Alexander Haig mode.
Democrats would love to hang Ronald Reagan...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:38:55 PM
...and worship at the feet of Hillary's lonely vagina! They would crucify George Bush, but suck the cock of an inexperienced fool like Barack Hussein Obama.

Keep yelling "SURRENDER!" haters! Your HATE for anyone else is shining through!

Al Gore (your messiah) invented the POLITICS OF HATE. Or was that Hillary? Or Kerry? Or Pelosi? Or Hussein Obama?
Abin Sir
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
01:38:58 PM
Yeah, FDR sucked so bad he got us out of the great depression you fucking idiot. And the soviets dismantled themselves
You're right, Abin, FDR was horrible,
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:39:03 PM
except for that whole getting-us-out-of-the-Great-De pression thing.
Tipper Gore...sadly, I can remember that far back...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
01:40:20 PM
...but the Christian right was just barely getting started then...now they think they own the country. Tipper Gore was just one nag with too much time on her hands...these people are ORGANIZED. I'm talking about my own extended family here...I love them, but they absolutely would LOVE to get into your living room (not to mention bedroom) and tell you what you can or can't watch...

by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
01:41:32 PM
"He's the reason that we've got Social FUCKING Security, so that stupid motherfuckers that don't know how to save money can be taken care of." Hello, this is a movie and entertainment website. How many artists do you know who are provided with IRA's or another sort of retirement plan. I don't do anything for the money, I just want to make art that makes people think and be happy. I hope someone can somehow help me when I continue being broke well into my elderly age.
And Reaganomics single-handedly fucked an entire continent's economy for the next century (South America) and brought our closest neighbors (formerly America-friendly under FDR's Good Neighbor policy) under a anti-American hypnosis with strong leaders like Hugo Chavez leading a revolt against imperical dominance in his country. Way to give us more enemies Reagan, just like a Republican (ahem....Bush... ahem...)
Obama wants Hillary to hang by her balls...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:41:43 PM
...but that would make more San Francisco liberals inclined to vote for her.

They would like to see that sort of BONDAGE in the White House!

anchorite...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
01:42:51 PM
...before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.....then, when you do judge him you will be a mile away. and you will have his shoes.
Beat me to it, J-bot
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:42:52 PM
The soviets did dismantle themselves, Reagan just stepped in to claim all the credit. I laugh every time I think of the "Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall" line he gave. Like Gorbie quaked under the fear of the Gipper, and immediately dispatched his henchmen to start dismantling the wall.
Oh yeah, I forgot about all of Bush's experience before he got e
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
01:44:46 PM
If only Barack Obama had spent all of that time he took exceeding in law studies at Harvard, living and studying in the middle east, battling for his mother's health care, and governing Illinois sniffing coke and riding his daddy's political coattails you would probably like him a lot more...
I'm being sarcastic, in case you can't tell...

by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
01:45:57 PM
"What is all this about a Muslim in the White House? There are no Muslims on the ticket" There are no Americans on the ticket either, except Ron Paul. But thats ok, todays average American just needs somebody that looks good on TV. Who needs a "good track record" or "experience", anyways? What good would it do to investigate the candidates and see what allegiances they have with groups whose interests run against the will of the American people? "You are free....to do as we tell you...."

by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
01:45:59 PM
"What is all this about a Muslim in the White House? There are no Muslims on the ticket" There are no Americans on the ticket either, except Ron Paul. But thats ok, todays average American just needs somebody that looks good on TV. Who needs a "good track record" or "experience", anyways? What good would it do to investigate the candidates and see what allegiances they have with groups whose interests run against the will of the American people? "You are free....to do as we tell you...."
FlickaPoo...why do you hate me?
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:46:01 PM
Are you surprised that a low income, intelligent black man like myself can see through the lies and cheap rhetoric of people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama?

Open your eyes, bro! The truth can be quite exhilarating!

McCain/Condi in 2008 - or - Romney/Condi in 2008!

ccchhhrrriiisssm
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
01:46:17 PM
i am aware that is his name.

my point is that both sides (Ultra-liberal -fetus hating- pot smoking - whale hugging hippy leftwings, and neocon-corporate cocksucking- haliburton pocket lining- fact fudging- war mongering rightwings) have a list of key words and phrases that they LOVE LOVE LOVE to regurgitate throughout their party and the media in the hopes that their followers who base their opinions on soundbites and catch phrases won't take the time to research the facts or issues and make an informed decision

I really don't give a shit who anyone is voting for, as long as they have taken the time to research the issues they feel are important to them as well as researching the candidates view on those issues.

what is most amusing to me is how people in this talkback think they are going to change somebodys mind. you've got a better chance of changing someones mind about Ghost Rider being a piece of shit movie.

i mean for Gods sake, Carville and Matalin are complete opposite sides of the political spectrum and they are married fuck buddies (mental pic...eww)

ADAMA/TIGH 2008!!!!

Wait, am I supposed to vote for HD DVD or Blu Ray?
by Luvs269er
Feb 5th, 2008
01:46:57 PM
This is SO confusing!
McCain
by tompiltoff
Feb 5th, 2008
01:47:15 PM
Not perfect, but the only candidate that will keep us in Iraq who isn't a religious whacko.
Hitler (Godwin's Law!) got us out of the depression
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:48:09 PM
Yes, FDR helped some, but here's the problem: the economy went into recession again in 1938 (GDP dropped to $86.1 billion). And FDR never got the country back to pre-crash numbers (1926: $96.9, 1927: $95.5, 1928: $97.4, 1929: $103.6) until Hitler went into Poland (1937: $91.9, 1938: $86.1, 1939: $92.2, 1940: $101.4, 1941: $126.7). Now, when you adjust for inflation, the case for FDR looks a little better, but you're still not seeing a significant improvement in his first term. And in either case, things look a lot better once we had started lending our hoses to the neighbor's house which was on fire. (Can you imagine if W tried to pull that off? The media/etc would've had his head on a stick)

by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
01:49:04 PM
"Wait, am I supposed to vote for HD DVD or Blu Ray? This is SO confusing!" - LOL

"McCain by tompiltoff Not perfect, but the only candidate that will keep us in Iraq who isn't a religious whacko." - Why the HELL would we ever want to stay in Iraq?

Sigh
by critch
Feb 5th, 2008
01:50:15 PM
"Public schools - you can't mention Jesus to the kids, but you'd better teach them about safe sex in 3rd grade." I have no problem with that at all. Religious views have no place in a childs life before they're old enough to make their own decision, otherwise it's just brainwashing. Considering girls are getting pregnant at the age of 11 any more, Learning about the basic functions of their bodies as early as possible and prevention makes perfect sense.
The Soviets were undone by being outspent...
by Abin Sur
Feb 5th, 2008
01:50:16 PM
Were it not for our defense expenditures, the USSR would never have bankrupt themselves attempting to keep up with us.
Actually, Flickapoo, your chronology is off
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:50:46 PM
The Moral Majority movement (the proto-religious right) pre-dated Tipper.
..."safe"?...............
by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
01:50:56 PM
"Are you surprised that a conservative would be on a movie website?....McCain (or even Romney) are the only safe bets for America!" You say theres a conservative on the talk back? Where? And please define "safe". "Safe in the hands of the CFR", maybe?
Romney=Romulan?
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
01:51:13 PM
I can't, in good consciuous, vote for a Romulan...
ha, those calling for Condi as VP...
by wash
Feb 5th, 2008
01:52:24 PM
Keep on. That will ensure Democratic Victory!
good point anchorite...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
01:52:48 PM
...I was talking specifically about entertainment censorship...this being a movie site and all. Both sides can be busybodies...I have just had enough of Republican busybodies for a while. If the Democrats manage to fix heal care I will love them for at least two years...then they will probably start to bug me too...
GingerBallz...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:53:12 PM
...while Hillary was getting rich from Whitewater, Obama was getting rich from protecting Rezko's ghetto slums from the authorities.

A Chicago reporter even "dared" him to spend the night in one of those crime-infested slum neighborhoods, but Obama declined. He much preferred the warmth of his condo purchased by the money he received from being a rich, insincere trial laywer.

So much for Obama's "Harvard" education! It looks like he missed quite a few of his Legal Ethics classes. Is it no wonder that he now only PRETENDS to understand the plight of typical African Americans?

The cure for America is not in Hillary or Obama's "politics of destruction." The cure for America is in the hope of what is good and decent. Neither Hillary nor Obama understand that definition.

Believe me, if Obama wins the Democratic nomination, all of his dirty laundry of the past will come to light! He will blame Republicans for displaying his past, preferring to rely on his 1 year of experience in Congress.

Oh, and Gingerballs...
by Abin Sur
Feb 5th, 2008
01:53:18 PM
Why do I have to pay for you because you chose to follow a path that wouldn't allow you to be financially sound? Why am I responsible for YOU?
wash...Okay: "Condi for VP!"
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
01:55:13 PM
What's the matter, are you afraid of an INTELLIGENT BLACK WOMAN? At least Condi doesn't throw in her lot with a political party that has little in common with the culture of her race.
Condi's not going to be the Republican VP candidate
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
01:55:32 PM
It'll be ... Bill Clinton! Heh. That'd be kind of funny.

Even so, Abin
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:55:59 PM
And by the way, that reckless spending Reagan did is a big part of the deficit we're still trying to pay off, it's still hardly the heroic, "single-handedly dismantled the soviet union" mythos he's credited for. Also, I'm sure a great many economists would strongly make the argument that military spending by the soviets only sped their demise, as the very nature of a command and control economy like theirs was destined for ruin.
Democrats and Republicans both agree that Obama > Hillary
by SpyGuy
Feb 5th, 2008
01:56:39 PM
Who says Obama can't unite the country?

Especially when Hillary's idea of "change" is taking us back to that special time of Whitewatergate and when her hubby was defining the word "is" while getting oral from a chubby because of the vast, right-wing conspiracy.

Re: Oh, and Gingerballs...
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
01:57:17 PM
You don't have to. We could just live in a virtually culture-less society in which entertainment comes not in the form of well-thought-out, refined art, but instead in an un-fulfilling cesspool of cheap thrills and sensual pacifiers. Oh wait, I'm sorry, have I not turned on the television recently?
Not saying the Christian Right didn't exist....
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
01:57:34 PM
...just that they were not the machine that they are now...
The fact Condi is intelligent is even more damning
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
01:59:38 PM
It means she knew damn well she was lying about aluminum tubes and Saddam's mythical nuclear ambitions, but did it anyway. She's amoral, and when you saddle a complete lack of awareness of right and wrong with intelligence, you get something truly scary.
I love it....
by Philvis
Feb 5th, 2008
02:00:31 PM
I think it is nothing short of fantastic when people say they are going to vote for this or that candidate because of an inspiring speech. The last I checked, it is called politics, and any good politician can give an inspiring speech about change. I'm still waiting on my platform to be pushed by a candidate...A flat tax(why should a hard working person be forced to pay a higher percentage of taxes just because they are successful), major welfare reform(i.e. if you aren't disabled in some way you must be working to get benefits...no more 3rd generation welfare crap because you are too good to work), Bureaucracy cut in half(our government was set up so there would be minimal govt interference in your daily lives...besides that, look at the cost of it all),term limits for the House and Senate(being a representative of your people was meant to be a duty, not a career), and lastly for California to be allowed to break away from the Union and form their own country(that way things that come out of LA are no longer considered National news). Since none of the candidates are backing my reasonable platform, I think I will go with the safe bet of McCain. Hillary;s desire for power scares me, Obama is spitting out what he thinks people want to hear and deep down, something about him just doesn't seem right.
When Condi was President of Stanford University...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:00:37 PM
...Barack Hussein Obama was busy "uniting" the ghetto slums of Chicago for "Rezko the Syrian."
Which ultra-liberal candidate is more power hungry?
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:02:47 PM
Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama?
You're talking to yourself, Ccchhhrrriissmmm.
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
02:06:26 PM
We get it, Hillary and Obama are evil and want America to be destroyed by terrorists. Does this argumentative tact, ever actually work on anyone? Or are you the guy that sits on the park bench and yells at passing cars?
ccchhhrrriiisssm...you should give it a rest...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
02:07:00 PM
...this debate has been pretty interesting, but you sound like 12 year old arguing for his favorite game console. You shame yourself and your family.
ccchhhrrriiisssm
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
02:09:32 PM
I agree. Kindly shut up.
it's simple...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
02:10:27 PM
if you are happy with the way things are now (and our current administration) vote for Romney - more of the same - if you want change and a clean slate vote for Obama - McCain is the best hope right now for the republicans - and assholes like rush limbaugh spend immeasurable ammounts of energy slandering him - and in effect swaying republican voters - Hilary was good for new york, but nows not the right time (considering our world situation) for a woman president (that gets teary eyed over her long struggle to get back in the white house) - i voted for Bill twice - best pres weve had - but their time is gone, they had 8 years - i want a new guy with no baggage and whos not shackled to big industry (oil, corn growers, weapons manufacturers etc.) and their lobbyists - i bet a good chunk of Hilary supporters are really voting for Bill (again) - idiots
Gingerballs
by Abin Sur
Feb 5th, 2008
02:11:26 PM
By art, do you mean like the guy that peed in a jar and put a crucifix in it? I have to pay for THAT?
gingerballz...
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
02:12:45 PM
"We could just live in a virtually culture-less society in which entertainment comes not in the form of well-thought-out, refined art, but instead in an un-fulfilling cesspool of cheap thrills and sensual pacifiers"

sounds like someone needs to go see RAMBO!

bill never said obama was a fairy tale!!! dear god
by slappy jones
Feb 5th, 2008
02:13:19 PM
he was referring specifically to one statement that obama made. he was saying that one claim obama had made was a fairy tale. but the media..especially the clinton hating fox network have spun it so that it appeared that bill clinton was referring to obama as a whole to be a fairy tale. when he didn't. the media have been more apalling than usual on this election so far. its fucking disgusting....by the way I am a obama guy as well but holy shit I feel sorry for hillary...she gets a little teary...she didnl;t even cry she just got a little emotional and she was either faking it or it proves she is to weak to lead...so when she is being tough shes cold emotionless and harsh when she cries shes a fake or a whimp. she can;t win.romney the robot from forbidden planet cries and its hardly mentioned. but in all seriousness obama has to be the nominee. I think he will be unbeatable up against romnet or mccain. it will highlight mccaisn age and romeny will come across as the fucking statue that he is. the reason the cons want romney in so bad is they can see how easily pushed around he will be. its obvious
I wouldn't spend the night in a slum either
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
02:14:47 PM
if I had a condo to go home to. Even if some stupid ass reporter 'double dog dared' me to. I'm vehemently opposed to Obama, but what the fuck does that have to do with anything???
Obama is the worst candidate left.
by Kid Idioteque
Feb 5th, 2008
02:15:12 PM
You like him because he looks nice and inspires you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pathetic. Democrats are so full of shit. And so is John McCain, so odds are I won't be voting. Hey Harry, how about voting on the issues and not who gives you special feelings inside?
Why will I vote for McCain or Romney?
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:17:41 PM

1. I am for lower taxes.

2. I believe that all human life is precious (including the lives of unborn babies) and abortion should be rare.

3. I believe that EXPERIENCE MATTERS. Hillary simply wanted power, so she moved to a city that was silly enough to elect an outsider because she was liberal. Obama served less than a year in Congress before deciding to run for President. McCain served 20 years in the military (5 1/2 year being tortured as a prisoner of war), 5 years in the House of Representatives and 21 years in the Senate. Romney earned his MBA and Law Degree from Harvard and then became a successful businessman. He successfully took over the administration of the 2002 Winter Olympics (after scandals in the USOC) and made them quite profitable. He was elected as a Republican Governor in an extremely liberal state (Massachussetts).

4. I believe in a strong military and victory in the Middle East, rather than the "we are defeated" rhetoric that spews from Hillary and Obama's mouths.

5. I believe in free speech. However, I do not believe that "free speech" should extend to pornography or smut that is commericially peddled to children over the internet or airwaves (while liberals try to argue that it is protected free speech).

6. I believe that severe crimes should be severely punished.

7. I believe that the nation is at war with Islamic Fundamentalists who will not declare a truce until the world is under the control of fundamentalist Islamic control.

8. Obama is an insincere little dick. ,/p.

9. Hillary is an insincere little dick too.

10. I believe that both Hillary and Obama are wrong for America. The "change" that they want is not a "change" in the right direction. They want a "change" in the WRONG direction!

'Nuff said!
I'm voting Huckabee
by WesReviews
Feb 5th, 2008
02:18:01 PM
Because if McCain gets his way, we'll stay in Iraq for 100 years, start new wars with Iran and China, and to help bring it all about, he'll probably have no alternative but to spend a bunch of our hard-earned tax dollars and probably bring back the draft. GO HUCKABEE!
Ahhh...the liberal haters...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:21:00 PM
...they want every conservative or African American with a brain to shut up unless they agree with their liberal ideology or social views.

Wouldn't it be nice if the liberal pundits would SHUT UP?

Abin Sur
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
02:22:57 PM
"By art, do you mean like the guy that peed in a jar and put a crucifix in it? I have to pay for THAT?"
-No, not necessarily. I'm just saying, at least to me, art is precious. It is the culmination of the human existence when done right. No it's not so financially stable career as say an accountant or a doctor, but I think just as much needed and therefore should be encouraged and supported.
holy shit....I can't believe the news about tom brady
by slappy jones
Feb 5th, 2008
02:24:01 PM
woah... sad day.
Obama....
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
02:24:45 PM
"You like him because he looks nice and inspires you?"
-I'd rather "die" trying for something I believe in than trying to rationalize some convenient, repressive bullshit.
Harry: Monica Lewinsky gave Bill a "warm feeling inside."
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:25:17 PM
Should Bill Clinton vote for Monica?

Then why not use our intelligence instead of our "warm feelings" when we vote?

RE: Han Cholo
by Kid Idioteque
Feb 5th, 2008
02:25:35 PM
Yes, he sounds (and there's a passing resemblence) exactly like the Rock. I've thought that for years and never heard anyone else say it.
PAGING CCHHRRIISSMM ... PLEASE REPORT FOR YOUR DAILY MEDS
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
02:28:03 PM
You are a raging loon. You need to try Scientology maybe that'll work out for ya.
Obama... mhh.. sounds too much like Osama
by Prometeo
Feb 5th, 2008
02:28:05 PM
dunno that fellow. Clinton... would wrup up the decade with some simetricity.. you know: Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton... and another saucy scandal. Why, oh why didn't you super Gore run for it? would have made Captain Planet eat his shorts! Here hoping you guys won't elect another republican... hope you learned your lesson ;)
You guys should just stay home and watch wrestling...seriously.
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
02:28:30 PM
All the logic and way of thinking Abin sir and ccchhhiii..have demonstrated is what got us Bush two term in row. You guys will elect whoever can screw you in the ass the hardest and then go begging for more. When wanted to succeed from the union we should have let them. Then our biggest problem would be dealing with illegal hick immigrants.
Auggh! Barry Morse died!
by tonagan
Feb 5th, 2008
02:28:40 PM
ccchhhrrriiisssm
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
02:28:41 PM
actually, Monica had the warm feeling... on the inside of her mouth....

I was for Edwards cause he has nice hair....

ccchhhrrriiisssm
by hst666
Feb 5th, 2008
02:28:45 PM
What AA with a brain is not a liberal and what liberal pundits?? Seriously. Moyers and Olberman (who I would hardly call liberal, but I am sure he appears that way to most neocon zombies) are about the only ones I can think of and the former just has a quiet little show on PBS that I don't know anyone else who watches. However, the conservatives have braindead RNC parrots lisk Limbaugh and Hannity that are quite vocal.
oops
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
02:29:16 PM
*the south* oops
jimmay...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:30:04 PM
I never said that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Clinton want America to be "destroyed by terrorists."

I simply said that these to vindictive little dicks aren't experienced enough to handle the office of COMMANDER IN CHIEF and have no real plan for ANYTHING. They just have a lot of nice, sounding rhetoric of HATE BUSH. They make it sound like conservatives are evil.

What a twist, huh? They want to make conservatives sound evil when they are just repressive little dicks!
the average Romney or Huckabee voter...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
02:30:08 PM
... believes in angels, thinks evolution is liberal propaganda, thinks science is the tool of satan, thinks global warming and its causes are myths created by liberal scientists in order to get bigger grants, thinks complete and unfettered access to all firearms is a god given right and a necessity in modern society, believes adam and eve really exsisted and were white and very attractive, loves big obnoxious off road vehicles but rarely takes them off road, thinks the economy is just fine, thinks Iraq attacked us thus starting the war, loves god, church and the scripture but secretly masturbates and has casual and premarital sex like everyone else, hates him/herself for being gay (the gay ones anyway), thinks men are smarter than women, thinks women complain too much about unequal pay, loved the movie "wild hogs", eats too much fast food, thinks the guys busted on "to catch a predator" were framed, doesnt mind having his/her phones tapped... am i stereotyping?
McCain sounds like McBane
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
02:32:22 PM
IS HUCKABEE STILL EVEN IN THIS THING?
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
02:35:13 PM
I thought he dropped out. At least scumbag Giuliani's gone back to fucking his whore fulltime.
Moyers and Olberman (and all of CNN)...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:36:07 PM
...are not liberal enough to ultra-liberals. But to the rest of America, their true liberal colors shine through!

As for "AA's withh a brain," let me remind you that over 10% of African American voters don't believe the LIES told by the DemocRATic Party! And nearly 60% of AAs do not vote. Only those who are gullible and uneducated enough to believe the garbage spoon fed by DemocRATs (like Rev's Al and Jesse, along with Nancy Pelosi or Obama) will vote for a DemocRAT. The rest of us low income African Americans will vote our conscience.

But that is a scary thing to liberals like you, isn't it?

i bet ccchhhrrriiisssm is using a penis pump...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
02:38:49 PM
... right this very moment
ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE BLACK CHRISM?
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
02:39:24 PM
Fuck me. You are totally bullshitting.
bacci40...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:39:49 PM
Can you present one paper in which you can substantiate your sinister claim that Bush "had no clue about al-quida before he entered office?"

I didn't think so, little dick.

It's funny when your "logic" is turned back on your own statement, isn't it?
BACCI
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
02:44:28 PM
Haha love watching the wingnuts implode, just like our friend Chrism is doing raht heah.
BringingSexyBack...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:47:00 PM
What's wrong? Have you never seen a brother who doesn't "go with the flow" of political indoctrination? Damn! No wonder you people are so easily beguiled by the ultra-liberal dicks controlling the DemocRATic Party!
BringingSexyBack...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:49:00 PM
Do you want me to "prove" that I am black? Would you like a photo or would you like me to just pull down by pants and show you the length of my hidden bling bling?

Jeez, you liberals are a hateful and gullible breed!

It won't matter. America is screwed however this goes.
by KnightShift
Feb 5th, 2008
02:50:46 PM
We are a nation of mental slaves. The fact that we don't even CONSIDER anyone other than the empty suits that the party bigwigs and the mainstream press parade in front of us, illustrates this. How the hell are idiots like Bill Clinton and George W. Bush even *seriously* considered competent enough to be President, let alone get elected? What have we gotten from them but a Constitution in shreds, meaningless wars that destroy productive lives, an economy down the tubes, and a working class that's no longer able to make ends meet. HOW the F*** can we POSSIBLY trust ANYTHING that these rat bastards tell us?! WHY should we have to "choose" between them? American politics is being told to pick between two separate cages of howler monkeys that are throwing handfuls of dung at each other. Unless you are absolutely, beyond all doubt, convinced of a candidate's worthiness to earnestly serve you in office, do yourself a favor and don't bother to vote today if you're in one of the primary states. Save your gas and money. Because the fact of the matter is, America is so F'ed-up by this point that the outcome of the election won't make any difference. And before anyone accuses me of apathy or some crap like that: I've not only been registered to vote for most of my life, I've actually run for public office before. Didn't win but like McMurphy said in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: "At least I TRIED, didn't I?" Well believe me, I've tried. And until we as a people are READY to be serious and not fall for this damned dog and pony show, there's no use trying anymore at all. Let this country fall into ruin: maybe *then* a BETTER and more serious people will rise from the ashes and turn this country into something like the Founders intended.
CHRISM I'M GONNA BEAT SOME SENSE INTO YOUR BLACK ASS
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
02:51:46 PM
You're the Larry Craig of black people.

Then again we all know you're a douchey honkey just playing around. It's okay for a laugh.

chrism
by j-bot
Feb 5th, 2008
02:53:38 PM
judging by your comments today you don't get to call yourself a brother!

by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
02:55:40 PM
"I believe that the nation is at war with Islamic Fundamentalists who will not declare a truce until the world is under the control of fundamentalist Islamic control." Thats not really a truce is it? Theres a bigger threat to this country, one that hides behind the "threat" of muslims (nineteen cave dwellers didnt shut down NORAD on september 11th. No more than two planes knock down three buildings). Yeah, its like that. How about the fact that Juan 'open borders' McCain and Romney are both CFR? That doesnt bother you? Didnt even make the list? You probably dont believe in the CFR, do you? If it actually existed, they wouldve told you about it on the O'Reilly Factor, right? Not knocking you pal, you seem to really care America. You are, however, being misled into supporting traitors. Have a nice day.
BringingSexyBack...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
02:57:00 PM
Dude, are you seriously challenging my race? You really ARE brainwashed by the liberal dicks leading the Democratic Party, aren't you?!?

So you think that all African American folk will vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama? Wow, and I just thought that your kind of brainwashed crackheads existed in fairy tales!

Well, let me be the first to "burst your bubble." Not all African Americans buy into the crap spewing from Hillary or Obama's ass. Some of us are keenly aware of what poison is in that shit!

McCain/Condi or Romney/Condi in 2008!!! ANYBODY but Hillary or Obama!!!

TOO SOON!!
by Pageiv
Feb 5th, 2008
02:57:29 PM
Is Elvira running?
......dress up.........
by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
02:57:48 PM
"At least scumbag Giuliani's gone back to fucking his whore fulltime." - or dressing up like one.........
.......keenly aware........
by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
03:00:39 PM
"Not all African Americans buy into the crap spewing from Hillary or Obama's ass. Some of us are keenly aware of what poison is in that shit! McCain/Condi or Romney/Condi in 2008!!! ANYBODY but Hillary or Obama!!!" Keenly aware? How did Condi, McCain, or Romney get past you then? Good job on catching the first two, though.
...NONE YOU FUCIN IDIOT....
by redhankyspanky
Feb 5th, 2008
03:04:20 PM
Yeah they "failed" to protect America, right? They were "busy"? Only a boldface cockmaster would think that. Look up PNAC, you douche. Then get back to me.
ccchhhrrriiisssm
by ZeroCorpse
Feb 5th, 2008
03:05:52 PM
Just a note about Obama's experience:

He has more experience as an elected official, actually holding a public office, than Hillary does. Quite a bit more.

So if experience is a major criteria, then you'd have to mark that one AGAINST Hillary.

Being the President's wife is not "experience".

bacci40...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
03:07:53 PM
Wow, so you would hate me because I don't agree with you politically? Is this a reflection of Obama's attempt to "unite?"

Forgive me while I go and puke out that sort of silly notion!

Why is it that people feel the privilege to mock someone's race simply because they disagree with them politically? Damn, you liberal brainwashed masses are a hateful breed!
Hey ccchhhrrriiisssm....
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
03:08:32 PM
Man, you really need to stop reading between the lines quite so much. First of all, your repeated use of the term DemocRAT kinda labels you as someone who really, really likes his own dogma. Are you kidding? Seriously... oooo, the Democrats are all dirty rats! See, 'cause it has RAT right there in the name... get it? If this is an example of your intellectual ability, it leaves much to be desired. Second, your penchant for turning this into one big race argument is really lame. Seriously, so what? Even if you ARE black, you can't prove it on a nameless, faceless talkback board, which leaves you only the issues to argue, which it seems you can't do. Oh well. And, by the way, the whole "60% of AA's don't vote" statistic is both nothing to be proud of, and contrary to AA's interests... seeing as how the Latino vote could very well sway the election this year, seems to me that they (Latinos) have learned the lesson that AA's should have learned when they got the vote. You want change, vote. You want a voice, vote. ccchhhrrriiisssm, you ought to be out there encouraging everyone who will listen to do so. It seems that this would be a far better use of your vitriol.
Who let the Freepers in?
by ZeroCorpse
Feb 5th, 2008
03:09:50 PM
When people start writing "democRATic" I see it as time to move along to a different thread, because the childish idiots have come to roost.
ccchhhrrriiisssm- i agree
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
03:10:23 PM
"What a twist, huh? They want to make conservatives sound evil when they are just repressive little dicks!"- i agree, conservitives are just repressive little dicks...
ZeroCorpse... I AGREE!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
03:11:06 PM
No doubt.

If I were a liberal, I would vote for Obama over Hillary.

Since I am not brainwashed by the liberal etremists who control the Democratic Party and influence the media, I will vote for NEITHER Obama or Hillary. :-)
ScaryWaitress...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
03:14:47 PM
You're right! I will do EVERYTHING in my power to go out and influence African Americans to vote AGAINST the extremism of the Democratic Party! Their liberal social views and political ideology are completely opposed to the needs of African Americans -- except for those whipping boys and uncle tom's (like Revs Jesse and Al, or Barack) who are tossed a few bones now and then from the likes of Nancy Pelosi.
@ lost jarv
by ArcadianDS
Feb 5th, 2008
03:15:52 PM
wow thanks for calling me out on a collossal blunder. Garnish for garner is a real doozy. I chalk it up to typing over 128 wpm and sometimes, your brain 'thinks' a word, and your fingers for some reason, don't get a clear signal and what you wind up with is an entirely different worm.

know what i mean? ;P

having said that, On Stephanaouploulous' Sunday show (i have know idea how his name is spelled so as with any Greek name, when in doubt, throw in another 'ou') he grilled her 3 times in a row about what the penalties would be for someone who refused to sign up on her mandated and required universal healthcare. Each time she skirted and said, 'this isn't about enforcement, its about providing healthcare to every American.' Stephanapizinski (in case he's Polish) repeatedly asked, "how would you penalize those who fail to comply? would you GARNER (thanks!) wages?" Hilary then said, "George thats not what the plan is about. Probably we'd use the tax code or something along those lines, but the point is that every American should have healthcare."

so Hilary's big plan to provide us all with federally mandated, REQUIRED healthcare, is to add its cost as an additional fee to our taxes, and the only way you would be able to NOT be part of the healthcare plan would be to not pay your taxes. Effectively, if you didn't care for the Fed's "Required Healthcare Plan" you would go to prison for tax evasion.

That is the very definition of 'Orwellian.'

Hey, is Jack Bauer hoping save his family
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
03:17:55 PM
today?
irrelevntelefant...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
03:18:39 PM
No, Obama and Hillary are little dicks. Excuse my poor grammar error. While you're at it, you'll probably want to blame it on my race, since that is what you liberals are good at.

While my mistake was simply one of grammar, you are still a brainwashed liberal asshole.

How's that for "tolerance?" It's not nice to be called a "tool" just because I disagree with your extremely liberal political and social views.
Chrism is obviously a liberal
by SpyGuy
Feb 5th, 2008
03:19:37 PM
Think about it...McCain said Romney's a liberal and Romney said McCain's a liberal. Chrism (and no, I'm not typing all those bullshit extra letters) said he would vote for McCain or Romney, so therefore...Chrism's a lib.
Gotta run...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
03:21:50 PM
I'm going out to cast my vote. My vote will be FOR Senator John McCain...and against the ridiculously overexposed chances of Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama!

McCain/Condi in 2008!

Ah, I love how people say they're tolerant
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
03:22:00 PM
of others opinions, and then turn around and call them assholes.
Hey JimmyJoeRedSky
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
03:26:59 PM
I agree that Hillary ain't the one, but saying that this country isn't ready for a woman president makes you sound like an insecure little geek-boy with mommy issues. Just sayin'.
The "dream ticket" for November...
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
Feb 5th, 2008
03:27:53 PM

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

'Nuff said!

See ya after I get back from voting!
Ron Paul!
by topaz4206
Feb 5th, 2008
03:30:51 PM
The most passionate grassroots presidential campaign ever

The most successful "libertarian" campaign in HISTORY!

That's all I got, off to distribute DVDs and carry my big sign around!
The day you're wheeled into an emergency room
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
03:31:42 PM
with a life threatening injury or illness, you will immediately change your mind about artists being as important as doctors.
All Ron Paul does is take votes away
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
03:32:06 PM
from better people.
About the Hucks win in West Virginia
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
03:33:03 PM
It happened because McCain's supporters switched to Huck's side so that Romney couldn't win. It had nothing to do with Huck's appeal, it was pure political gamespersonship.
WeinerPenis: Yeah, they said that about the Dems in 91
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
03:34:02 PM
Didn't believe it then, don't believe it now
"billiary clinton"
by Dr. Stanley Goodspeed
Feb 5th, 2008
03:34:51 PM
i think i laughed for about 2mins after reading that. thank you.
I'm so happy the right wing is imploding
by fastcars
Feb 5th, 2008
03:36:56 PM
Have you seen the far right nutjobs attacking Mccain for not being "conservative" enough? Really? What's he "liberal" on, two issues? (Immigration & torture). Awesome. There's something strangely poignant about the Republican's most viable contender being taken down from the inside. As for the Democrats, if they choose Hillary, they deserve to lose. The nation is ready for a woman president, but not another Clinton. Go Obama!
Chhhrr, Sick Fixx...I feel sorry for you guys.
by Brians Life
Feb 5th, 2008
03:42:22 PM
And that's coming from a liberal Hollywood Atheist...how far must you fall!?!

You guy guys can't produce anything but venom and reruned Anne Coulter talking points.

If you can't see the fundamental differences, than you never will. I know WAY too many people just like both of you. You're not even original. It's all adhominem and "but this is WHAT YOU DO" shit...at the very LEAST get a better writer.
Obama Da Man
by BilboRing
Feb 5th, 2008
03:43:54 PM
My fellow Americizles. I would like to fo' schnizzle my dizzle with y'all tonight. If the glove don't fit you must aquizzle. Yo yo bring dat beat back. Bring dat beat back.
McCain/Condi!?! Are you HIGH!?!
by Brians Life
Feb 5th, 2008
03:44:46 PM
Look at what the PLANET thinks of our State Department right now...THAT is who you want for VP!?!? Probably one of the biggest boneheads in the position. Advise some more friends to work in Iraq, Condi, maybe they'll die TOO!

McCain and Rice....I WEEP for the future.
Paul
by Toonol
Feb 5th, 2008
03:47:20 PM
I'm gong to vote for Ron Paul. I know he won't win. But people that try to figure out who's going to win before voting, so they can make their vote count by voting 'for a winner', are pretty disgusting. Elections aren't sporting events. Those people should stay home. In fact, if you are unsure, or don't feel you can articulate good reasons for voting for one candidate or another... stay home! Don't vote! An election where only knowledgeable, interested people voted would be great.
*GASP* I support Obama because...
by eXcommunicated
Feb 5th, 2008
03:49:43 PM
...of the ISSUES. That's right ladies and gentlemen. While he does inspire me like no other politician before, its the substance of his message that resonates with me. You dumbasses who say Obama has no substance HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION - you fwd: your little viral emails and parrot Hillarity Clinton/Tin-Foil Hat Conservative talking points without actually researching jack shit. Obama has a 54 PAGE outline of every single issue you can ask for on his website. Its in PDF format, downloadable and printable. We are on the fucking internet - use it for once. His website itself also has page after page after page of his beliefs, plans, and positions on dozens of issues. The man has the right kind of judgement to lead, and its plain to anyone with an open mind to look for themselves.
Vote For Obama
by BilboRing
Feb 5th, 2008
03:50:03 PM
When he debates against Hilary he should wip out his afro-dong and beat her with it.
can we get buchanan on someones ticket?
by Dr. Stanley Goodspeed
Feb 5th, 2008
03:50:58 PM
something about putting a concrete wall with landmines and tanks on the boarder to mexico that gives me a raging semi.
If Obama Wins...
by BilboRing
Feb 5th, 2008
03:52:01 PM
Will he be on MTV Cribs? "This be the White House where all da magic happens. Ova here be my bomb shelta where we cut some tracks and pimp a mac daddy."
jimmay
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
03:58:02 PM
You refer to political pundits. I'm talking about the candidates themselves. Limbaugh and Coulter may not like what is happening, but when it comes to election time McCain, Giuliani, Romney, and Huckabee will form a united front. However, matters between Obama and Clinton are far from civil. The scars between these two are so deep their respective camps will rather sabotage the other's ambitions than see success. This rivalry has existed since Obama and Edwards decided to doppelgang Clinton during the debates (mainly because they knew they weren't electable while Clinton was more than just electable).
McCain/Condi???
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
03:58:48 PM
Now I KNOW ccchhhrrriiisssm is a joker. A pox on me for taking you seriously. Nobody can be that dumb...
Barack the Vote
by queerfilmjunkie
Feb 5th, 2008
04:02:08 PM
The same republicans that dismiss Obama as not experienced are the same ones who voted for Dubya. Give me a fucking break. Anyone that voted for that Santorum stain should have their voting privileges permanently revoked. Dubya had experience—he’d failed at everything he’d ever done. Barack has spent the last 20 years as: --President of the Harvard Law Review --A constitutional law professor --A community organizer --A civil rights attorney --A state senator and a US senator. Prior to being elected to the Senate Hillary was: --An attorney for a non-profit for one year. --A corporate attornery for 16 years, representing corps. like Tyson Foods and serving on the Board of Wal Mart. --A first lady who destroyed health care reform by alienating republicans and failing to listen to health care experts. --A one-term US senator. Barack has been in elected office longer than Hillary. He's authored much more legislation than Hillary. He's had much more success building coalitions to get his bills passed, and he's passed far more impactful legislation. The “experience” argument is a red herring. Obama has dedicated his adult life to problems like joblessness, discrimination and health care. He is a man with the integrity, empathy and passion to inspire the majority of Americans that are disenchanted by the cronyism, partisan bickering, and fundamentalist pandering that passes for politics in America. The Republicans are terrified of Obama because they know he is infinitely more electable than Hillary. He would wipe the floor with Romney or McCain. For those that think Obama is all rhetoric and no substance, I invite you to go look at his website. His web site has a more substantive discussion of policies than any campaign site in history. If you depend on a 30 second CNN sound byte to educate you, of course you'll hear nothing but poetry and rhetoric from Obama, because he is a once in a generation public speaker. Bu that doesn't mean Obama doesn't have clearly reasoned and principled stands on the issues that matter. He does. The only thing that can defeat Obama is fear, cynicism and ignorance.
Jimmay, you have your facts screwed up here
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
04:03:49 PM
Obama's campaign is up against some of the dirtiest, nastiest professionals around (i.e., Clinton's camp) and if you were paying attention, you'd notice that it's HER camp that starts nastiness a la Swiftboater tactics, and Obama is left with a decision... do what Kerry did and "try to rise above", and lose, or gracefully try to confront and deflect. As for anyone out to sabotage anyone else... it's not sabotage, it's competition. Oh, and you are batshit crazy if you think McCain and Romney will ever be on the same side. The loathe each other at least as much as Clinton and Obama do, if not more.
Get your priorities straight...
by loafroaster
Feb 5th, 2008
04:09:44 PM
...and post fucking movie news. New Indy photos? Night of the Museum 2 (however awful that sounds) greenlit news? Nope. Hellboy 2 set visit? Nope. Jim Henson biopic news? Nope. If anyone wants me I'll be over at empireonline.com
Go MITT!
by odysseus
Feb 5th, 2008
04:10:13 PM
Guess I'm in the minority, here....
Shit! Barry Morse is dead...
by DocPazuzu
Feb 5th, 2008
04:11:20 PM
His portrayal of cretinous President Johnny Cyclops in Whoops Apocalypse was an uncanny George Bush prototype before anyone knew who Bush was.

R.I.P.

Did my thread hijack work?
by DocPazuzu
Feb 5th, 2008
04:14:49 PM
Guess not...
I think you mean J-Dizzle, scarywaitress
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
04:15:10 PM
He was replying to me earlier.
To the people comparing the Rock to Barack
by RAVENL0RD
Feb 5th, 2008
04:16:31 PM
The Rock is a Republican! He'd lay the Smackdown on his candyass! Sorry... it had to be said. I couldn't resist. I apologize.
Oh, you kids and your conspiracy theories.
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
04:20:07 PM
The Paul crowd here is whispering excitedly about the CFR. In my day it was the NWO. Same bullshit. I was at a party on Saturday, and heard two Paul psuedo-libertarians talking about the conspired media blackout of Paul. One of them said if Hillary wins, he's going to "just start shooting people." Fine stock, those libertarians.
Go queerfilmjunkie!
by GingerBallz
Feb 5th, 2008
04:20:18 PM
I couldn't have said it better. My vote for Obama is locked in.

by smallerdemon
Feb 5th, 2008
04:23:54 PM
"On the bright side, a few years of anti-business, borderline socialist incompetence from the democrats should really tank the stock market for several years."

....ahha..hahah...HAHAHA...HAA AAAHAHAHA! God, please, oh god... stop it... hahahaha...

Oh wait, you're not kidding? Hoo boy. My apologies. *ahem* Anti-business? You know, seems like we could use a little of that right now. Business has been given an ugly pass to the point of absurdity for the last eight years.

Inflation, recession, out of control anti-privacy, etc. Conservatism is a laughing stock at this point. The current government has dipped its slimy hand into everyone's lives in the worst possible ways instead of even trying to be remotely helpful.

I still am floored that Conservatives use that anti-government rhetoric when they are the most invasive government in my lifetime in regards to privacy and the rights of the individuals. Now, if you're a big corporation you gotta love the current guys when it comes to being immune to criminal behavior. Of course, you have to weigh that out with the fact that the economy is running on fumes.

Off Menu
by Guy Gaduois
Feb 5th, 2008
04:28:27 PM
I'd like to order off menu. If only, am I right? I don't know if it's intentional, but Obama looks different on every channel. Hillary looks the same, always. The last time I saw something that wrinkly, it was called Scrotum. However, it's like the cameras all interpret Obama differently. Sometimes he looks hale and hearty, other times he looks like he's in the middle of kidney failure. Maybe it's just the wear and tear of the campaign. Either way, I'd like to have a President who can at least make change, having held a job that exists in the 'real world'. And I swear that McCain's combover changes sides between questions on the debate. It's taken on a life of its own. Romney has bought into the most far fetched cult this side of Tom Cruise's "Remember the Thetans", so although he's a 'conservative' in the state that brought us Ted (Designated Driver) Kennedy and has thrived there, I can't help but think he'll end up re-enacting the Mountain Meadows Massacre with a high ranking member of Congress if things don't go his way. Yes, I would really like to order off the menu on this one.
Obama would be considered too conservative in Canada.
by Flim Springfield
Feb 5th, 2008
04:30:50 PM
Anti-universal health care? Anti-gay marriage? It's funny to see him being called "liberal".
Sure he's anti-war, but that's just common sense.
So who's the Muslim everyone keeps talking about?
by Bob X
Feb 5th, 2008
04:31:52 PM
Obama is Christian. So are Hillary and McCain. Romney is part of the batshit crazy-magic underpants religion , also not Muslim. So who are we talking about? What am I missing?
Funny that, smallerdemon.
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
04:32:53 PM
A republican government can do whatever it wants-warrantless wiretapping, ignoring the constitution, secret policy meetings with corporate interests, imperial warfare-and the anti-government crowd utters not a peep. But when a Democrat gets in, they come out of the woodwork. Suddenly it's all the evil big government. Oklahoma City or Ruby Ridge would never happen on Bush's watch, not because he'd proactively prevent it, but because anti-government wackos only stand up to government when it invades people's lives with *gasp* the invasive evils of welfare, middle class tax cuts, and regulation of big business.
Interesting talkback we got going on here...
by Gungan Slayer
Feb 5th, 2008
04:34:01 PM
lol
Jimmay...
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
04:36:17 PM
To my eternal shame, I mistook you for someone else... I doff my hat and bow my head. J-dizzle... this doesn't let you off the hook, friend.
Oooohhhhh Baaaaahhhhhh Maaaaaahhh!
by Read and Shut Up
Feb 5th, 2008
04:36:41 PM
We need that boxing announcer dude to say that REALLY loud. Go Obama! Go Dems! Go to hell Dubya and Cheney (I know, I know - there I go stating the obvious).
McCain = Betamax
by Batutta
Feb 5th, 2008
04:39:40 PM
Should have been left for dead in the 70's.
Clinton can't beat the Republicans
by Mattyboy122
Feb 5th, 2008
04:41:50 PM
They've been waiting for her to rise to the party nomination and they've got HUGE amounts of ammunition against her (Vince Foster, anyone!?). The Republicans probably want Hillary to be the nominee because it will energize their base immensely. Clinton, simply put, is abrasive. Some people like her, but A LOT of people can't stand her (for many reasons, she appears very false/scripted, she hasn't made good on past promises, people are tired of the Clintons in general). Obama is the only person in the race who can win a landslide. He has the charisma to unite people behind him, a charisma that is lacking in all of the other candidates in play (Romney, like Clinton, feels too mechanical, McCain is a bit lethargic, Huckabee maybe has the charisma, but certainly nowhere near Obama's, and Paul is more or less not in the race, realistically). And what's all this bullshit about how policy is what gets elected? FDR got elected on cutting back government spending and what did he turn around and do? He expanded the government exponentially! Lincoln, too, was something of a manufactured candidate in the sense that he didn't go around giving speeches and making promises; the party promoted him based on his life story. Many of our greatest presidents have been elected based on their ability to inspire. Kennedy, Lincoln, FDR. Obama has the charisma, a certain Jefferson Smith vibe about him that inspires people. Now I'm not trying to change any minds, I'm just offering my two cents on the matter. The important thing is that we all go out and vote and let our voices be heard.
WeinerPenis = Comic Gold
by Read and Shut Up
Feb 5th, 2008
04:42:08 PM
Dude, I'm STILL laughing at your post! Hilarious.
Ashok0
by Batutta
Feb 5th, 2008
04:50:14 PM
Bill Clinton is more like Eight Track.
smallerdemon
by biggles2_22
Feb 5th, 2008
04:52:53 PM
Pop quiz: Who is the largest employer in the United States? Follow-up question: Who's average income has gone up, regardless of economic conditions or party in power, over the past 30 years? A. The private sector B. The public sector
President Obama
by mightythor
Feb 5th, 2008
04:55:29 PM
because decencey is a rare quality.
Y DOES ANYONE THINK UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IS GREAT
by yoda900_ca
Feb 5th, 2008
04:56:25 PM
I live in Canada. I'm a U.S. Citizen and have lived here for 15yrs. I have worked in both the US and Canadian Health care fields and have had to use both. Here's some facts I can tell you all. #1--It's NOT FREE I live in ontario we pay a 13%total sales tax a healthcare tax of about$1000 and our gas Is over $4.04 a gallon of which about $1.70 is tax. and don't get me started on property tax. #2 The system is great if you don't have a serious illness. I have had 2 friens die while on WAITING lists for chemo.It takes about 3months to get an MRI done. I almost died in the hosptital because there was no ultrsound tech(she was gone on vaction4 a week)to notice i had a gallstone blocking my common bile duct. By the time the transfered me to a different hospital my liver enzymes were 10x normal. Then they called all the way to toronto (2hrs away) before they could find a dr who could do an ERCP to remove said stone. I suffer from permanate live damage because of this. #3 The average wait time for open heart surgery or by pass is 4months #4 These thing DON"t happen in america because U can sue the healthcare system. You can't in canada. #5 Many things are NOT COVERED. Such as ,Physical Therapy, treatment for autistic children, testing for hearing diablities, testing for learning diablities, circumscion, and the list goes on and on GET THE FACTS PEOPLE AND DON"T BE SHEEP we pay about the same amount per person for health care as you and receive substandard care. Becareful what u wish for
VOTING DOESNT WORK...WHEN THEY DONT LIKE WHAT WE SAY THEY STOP I
by BonerDonor
Feb 5th, 2008
04:56:32 PM
FUCK IT
Isn't this a movie site?
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
04:58:05 PM
Who cares.
jimmay
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
05:00:31 PM
We've been just as vocal about the Patriot Act, wiretaps, etc. You just weren't listening. I find it hilarious that people put so much effort into calling 'conspiracy theories' whacko, like there's no way the government would not be above board with us on everything. As if there are never any shady deals that go on. As if there are no news stories authored by the Elite and handed down to talk show hosts to spin. Snuff films and pedophilia go on at Bohemian Grove, and have for decades. Read Why Johnny Can't Come Home by Noreen Gosch and Franklin Cover-Up by John W. DeCamp. Hell, dig up some interviews with Hunter S. Thompson where he says he was paid money to film the snuff movies.
By the way, I'm not a conspiracy theorist
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
05:01:28 PM
I'm a conspiracy realist.
I'll address the only citation there I can.
by jimmay
Feb 5th, 2008
05:04:43 PM
I only know anything about Hunter S. Thompson. Though I love his works, you really can not cite him as a credible source for much of anything. His persona was crafted from a timely meshing of fact and fiction; and even many of his friends couldn't tell where one stopped and the other began.
yoda900_ca
by Batutta
Feb 5th, 2008
05:10:09 PM
So basically you're saying because Canada's Universal Healthcare sucks, what we would get would would also suck?...I'm sure there is a way to cover everyone fairly and still receive quality care. What we got sure as hell ain't it.
JFK is still living!
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
05:12:51 PM
He's on a beach with Elvis.
I HAVEN'T VOTED YET AND HERE'S THE REASON WHY ....,
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:13:15 PM
I got a tummyache.
i'm a conspiracy nudist
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
05:15:39 PM
Mccain is a retard
by 900LBGorilla
Feb 5th, 2008
05:18:03 PM
He lies like a Clinton and legistlates like one too....he's quite simply in the wrong party.
GEORGE CLOONEY IS THE HEAD OF THE ILLUMINATI!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:20:14 PM
A thousand points of light!! How else to explain his takeover of the Hollywood elite after a part-time role on Roseanne?
MCCAIN/CLOVERCRAB 08
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:22:04 PM
Lies like Clinton and destroys like Bush. It's the best America has to offer.
Tom Cruise is an Alien!
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
05:22:16 PM
He's gonna be in Indiana Jones.
This talkback stopped being interesting when FlickaPoo...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
05:22:38 PM
...signed off hours ago. Oh wait...that's me.
No bias on THIS site..
by shagdrum
Feb 5th, 2008
05:22:56 PM
Democratic nomminees are the only ones even discussed. Republicans aren't even considered. in addition..Obama? where is the substance...hope? Just a bunch of platitudes and mindless feel good nonsense there....
The "Muslim" topic...
by Malbotti
Feb 5th, 2008
05:28:07 PM
Those of you that think Obama is a Muslim is foolish. Try getting your news from a reliable source and not Jimbo's blog or various other unsubstantiated sources. But let's play out the hypothetical. EVEN if he was, predjudice against a religion due to the actions of a miniscule percentage of the followers is plain and simple ignorance. If everyone did that, and paid any attention in basic history courses, then no one would vote to put a Christian in office. Where do you start? The Inquisition? The Crusades? The public burning-at-the-stakes of so many scholars who supported ideas we know as common knowledge today (like gravity)? The list goes on and on. I'm not bashing Christianity here, just making a point. I'm not discounting a Christian candidate because of the few who orchestrated those past horrors, just like I wouldn't discount any other of a different religion. To sum up: Check your sources before regurgitating. Avoid sounding like a jackass by not taking specious stances.
are* foolish
by Malbotti
Feb 5th, 2008
05:28:56 PM
are you doing this to sleep with oprah, harry?
by couP
Feb 5th, 2008
05:29:16 PM
two threads on this voting rubbish, geh.
From the talkback earlier today...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
05:29:41 PM
In case you missed this, a very pertinent post: 1. It means that the GOP is no longer the conservative party, at least in terms of such obsolete conservative issues like national sovereignty, fiscal minimalism, and individual rights. Of all the Republican candidates only Ron Paul has consistently stood for those things; but except for a handful of conservatives most GOP voters are desperately trying to distance themselves from his supposed radicalism. Ronald Reagan might have disapproved of bits of Paul's agenda, but he would have firmly supported him over the other bottom-feeders he's going up against. The GOP has since 9/11 transformed into a party of xenophobes who are willing to hand over the rest of their agenda to leftists in order to concentrate on the dubious dual policy of sealing up the US border like a new Maginot Line and engaging in excitingly expensive foreign adventures. This is sickening to anyone who was once a conservative Republican, like myself. (I'm either a libertarian or an anarcho-capitalist, depending on how much conservatives irritate me with their stupid, self-righteous hypocrisy.) *** 2. It means that Democrats will yet again staunchly stick by the mush-brained belief that "compromise" isn't just a euphemism for "selling out" (which it is). Luckily for Democrats, the Democrat notion of compromise means "demonizing Republicans until they cave in". When Obama bin Liberal says he wants to reach across party lines and unite America, he means he wants to shame whites, males, employers, gun owners, the wealthy, and Christians into abandoning their principles. This is leftist power politics, as driven by Harry Knowles's beloved populism. *** 3. It means that as always in a representative democracy, the majority gets to shove around the minority, thanks to the democratic belief that whatever the majority of voters want is sacred. No matter how stupid, prudish, intolerant, or blatantly acquisitive those wants are. We're told that it's so righteous and noble to mug one group and "redistribute" the loot to another group. But who is saying this? The politicians, on the one hand, who get to indulge in the most exultant drug known to humankind: the power to control other human beings. And on the other hand, the voters, who get free stuff they didn't pay for. Is it any wonder why those in power are going to expound on the eternal virtues of a system of which they are the direct beneficiaries? A simple study of human nature suggests that the ability of humans to rationalize their actions is highly efficient. However. We are told, fairly enough, that anyone who has a personal interest in a policy is biased -- e.g., Halliburton's lobbyists in Washington. But what are voters but people with an obvious biased personal interest? A Christian voter has an interest in coercing the love of Jesus onto others. A welfare-receiving voter has an interest in getting free money. A welfare-advocating voter has an interest in feeling self-righteous about being the savior of the people. All these biased individuals have several things in common. For one, they have no scruples about shoving their moral values onto others. What is compassion? A conservative and a liberal will staunchly disagree, but both will eagerly insist that they have the power to coerce other people into obeying their moral beliefs. (They will each accuse the other of being bad people, of course. This is the only valid way of justifying the coercion.) Modern politics can be divided into two categories of policy: moral prudery, and acquisitiveness. Say you're a member of a certain religion, or at least a philosophy; is it tolerance to demand that everyone else obey what you feel is the one and only true path to compassion and justice? A sincerely tolerant person will say no, and will denounce the modern political process. A bigot won't care about the question, and will vote in November. Acquisitiveness, I mentioned above; it relates to the ability of people to justify anything that benefits themselves personally. What is carefully left out of all the wonderful-sounding rhetoric extolling welfare is the consent of those paying for it all. Are people who disagree with welfare "greedy"? Again, a shameless bigot would say "Yes, of course; such people disagree with me, and are therefore evil people." In a democracy like ours, it is impossible to disagree without being a bad person. If you oppose economic regulation and taxation, then you're a "greedy" person who hates poor people. If you oppose state-funded abortions for 14-year old girls, then you are a misogynist. If you oppose public education, then you hate children. If you oppose immigration controls, then you hate Anglo-Saxon culture. If you oppose affirmative action, then you hate blacks, Hispanics, and women. If you oppose the Patriot Act, then you're a traitor. If you oppose the War on Terror, then you're an Al Qaeda sympathizer. The list goes on, my friends, ad infinitum. (And people wonder why politics routinely gets so nasty.) Self-interest and moral intolerance come together as squalid zealotry in the democratic process. A group as large as the American population will never agree on anything. Barack Obama will never convince all Americans to agree with him. The most he can do is get elected to force the dissenters to pretend to agree with him. And is that really a united America, in which one group gloatingly gets to order around another group, which has to obey or get locked up like the uncivilized animals that they are? The election in 2008 means that the American people will get what they want, but will still lose.
IT'S TIME WE HAD A BUDDHIST PRESIDENT
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:29:47 PM
Think about that for a moment.

LAMA/GERE 08

not mine...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
05:30:33 PM
that was by HillaryLovesMe, by the way.
Georgia results in less than 1/2 hour...
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:35:40 PM
Bama's gonna stuff his anaconda up Hillary's craggy ass!
HOLLYWOOD - THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD VIDEO
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:36:07 PM
Still voting for Clinton though ...
A vote for Hillary is a vote to shoot yourself in the foot.
by riskebiz
Feb 5th, 2008
05:36:09 PM
Nominating the most polarizing, divisive candidate you can find who actually motivates the Republican base and turns off independents ... who actually inspires people to vote AGAINST her ... well ... you have to have your head in the sand to think that giving her the nomination is a good idea. She will lose in November and lose badly. The Republicans could nominate Hitler and Hillary would still lose in a landslide. A vote for her now is a vote for 4 more years of Republican rule. Plain and simple. Dems should wise up and elect Obama. Hillary is all wrong for the nomination. She is unelectable.
Drudge reporting Obama blowout!
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:39:49 PM
As I said,

Bama's gonna stuff his anaconda up Hill-dog's nasty, fat ass!

my DIRE vote.
by BongoBox
Feb 5th, 2008
05:40:18 PM
I voted to abolish monday mornings and friday afternoons. and more ice cream. and obama. go team.
Oh. The "Fairy Tale" Bill Clinton was referring to ...
by riskebiz
Feb 5th, 2008
05:41:23 PM
... was the concept of Hope that Obama was giving. Bill may have grown up in a little town called Hope, but when it applies to another candidate, it's just a fairy tale. THAT is what he was referring to. Listen to his speech. He was trashing the idea that Obama was inspirational.
Dont Vote!
by 900LBGorilla
Feb 5th, 2008
05:42:10 PM
If you don't know the issues. Anyone who votes for hope (i.e. I like how somebody looks or how sweet their Ads look) or votes for some candidate to give you free donuts or free healthcare or free dildos...do the rest of us a favor and don't vote...cause nothing is free...the government doesn’t pay for ANYTHING...you and I do...and we pay MUCH more than what it really costs in the free market when we filter it through a bloated government. bureaucracy that skims off the top, the bottom, the sides, and is about as efficiently run as your average oil tanker (that’s what happens when you have no competition to forces you do things better or go under)
no one knows why they like obama
by nemov
Feb 5th, 2008
05:44:26 PM
it cracks me up... he makes great speeches about generalizations and people eat it up. He's for change, but he never says what kind. I like the guy, but it this what passes for winning politics these days it's time to rethink the Republic.
Moriarty/MiraJeff '08
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
05:45:03 PM
Holy SHIT Did Obama Kick ASS!!!!
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:46:56 PM
Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37... Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45... Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45... Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42... Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26... Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30... Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48... Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46... New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47...
No way for Hill-dog to spin this one!
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:47:30 PM
HOLLYWOOD QUIT WITH THE ALL CAPS SUBJECTS!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:48:24 PM
ANNOYING!!
Obama, my N---a!
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:48:25 PM
I'm For Romney
by Mad-Maximus
Feb 5th, 2008
05:49:40 PM
I feel Romney would make the best President out of all the candidates just b/c of his experience as a Business Leader and it looks like the way the economy is going he fits the bill.
Those #'s were exit polls, yes...
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:50:04 PM
but pretty fucking decisive! Hillary can eat it.
"You have no excuse for not voting. And a real moral obligation
by Uga
Feb 5th, 2008
05:50:16 PM
BULLSHIT. You have a moral obligation NOT to vote if you haven't educated yourself.
SKINJOB YOU ARE SO FULL O SHIT
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:50:41 PM
Quit putting up fake numbers you goober.
Please Please Vote!!!
by Mad-Maximus
Feb 5th, 2008
05:51:55 PM
Please go out & vote if your in the right state. And please vote WHO YOU FEEL/THINK is the best candidate and not who a celebrity endorses. Seriously, can you really relate to a celebrity?
They're not fake- check Drudge, BSB
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:53:27 PM
Republicans for cleaner airport bathrooms!
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
05:53:32 PM
For balance- here are some other states (just posted)...
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
05:54:15 PM
CLINTON: Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26... California: Clinton 50, Obama 47... New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43... Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31... Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41...
I'M WAITING FOR MY GF TO COME HOME SO WE CAN VOTE TOGETHER
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:55:01 PM
Cuz I'm romantic like that. That and she needs to tell me who to vote for.
CNN HASN'T POSTED ANY EXIT POLL FIGURES YET
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:56:31 PM
and you want me to take Drudge's word for it? His site hasn't gotten a hit from my puter in 9 years and it aint about to happen now.
"Things do not exist in a vacuum"
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
05:58:00 PM
Excepting our current President.
Some people think Osama Bin Laden's running for president...
by MrMysteryGuest
Feb 5th, 2008
06:13:17 PM
:?
Bush killed more people than Clinton!
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
06:16:38 PM
BUUUSHSHSHH!
Sick Fixx
by sammylou
Feb 5th, 2008
06:16:40 PM
Obama isn't a fucking Muslim you dibshit! He's Christian! And I'm not religious and a still like him. Get your head out of your fucking ass and don't believe those bullshit mass forwarded emails made by some unaware hick. And hollywood90039, thank you for bringing up Mrs. Clinton's voting record on Iraq. I was about to bring that up. Let's not forget her being for the war.
HOLLYWOOD90039 STARRED IN 2 GIRLS 1 CUP!
by ebonic_plague
Feb 5th, 2008
06:17:41 PM
HE WAS THE TURD! DON'T YOU FORGET IT!
How come religion is only a factor on the republican side?
by drewlicious
Feb 5th, 2008
06:21:34 PM
At least it seems that way. Seriously I've heard a lot of crap about Huckabee being a devout baptist and Romney being a Mormon but I rarely hear about this sort of thing when people talk about the Democrats. Last time I checked quite a few people running on that ticket go to church too. I know a lot of people will say the Republican candidates put their faith in policy and therefore push it on other people, and to some extent that might somewhat true (Cindy Sheehan an exercise in pro-life pandering, whenever the ten commandments are put up or taken down in public building) but to pretend that anyone's faith is benign is just foolish. It's never benign if you truly believe in it. The closest I've heard people talk about Democrats and religion lately is the accusation of Obama being a muslim, which is utter bullshit for anyone that actually bothers to read up on the guy. He does apparently belong to a church that is rather afro-centric in nature and whose minister apparently honored Farrkhan. How come no one has asked him about that? Personally I wish people would shut up about the issue entirely and just stick to the issues. That's how I judge a candidate, by their actions and those actions are usually on public record. If their faith made the make a good decision, that's fine with me.
Nixon was a pedophile!
by ebonic_plague
Feb 5th, 2008
06:22:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =LhAobPugvsk
Reagan ate a baby!!
by ebonic_plague
Feb 5th, 2008
06:23:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0SSHVucJ--A
Bush likes imported beer!
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
06:23:24 PM
It's true.
Obama Adding 100,000 Troops
by topaz4206
Feb 5th, 2008
06:27:10 PM
Says so right on his website. 100,000 of your young family members and loved ones -- and he gives NO reason for it!
Clinton died people lied!!
by ebonic_plague
Feb 5th, 2008
06:27:47 PM
And you don't forget it!
"I voted FOR HD-DVD, before I voted AGAINST it!"
by PirateEmery
Feb 5th, 2008
06:33:19 PM
Nice going there, Harry...
Obama
by Nozoli Apples
Feb 5th, 2008
06:35:09 PM
I voted for Obama, my mother did too.
A vote for Romney....
by otm shank
Feb 5th, 2008
06:35:28 PM
is a vote for finding "who let the dogs out....woof..woof...woof". What a tool. Obama in 08 baby!
I can't wait for Bill Clinton's take on Obama winning GA
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
06:36:57 PM
He'll point to a copy of Man In Full and not say anything and hopes that no one understands. But I'll understand, Bill. You racist fun-loving bastard.
Ashoko/Sick Fixx '08
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
06:36:58 PM
We will fix the Muslim problem in three easy steps. XD
Clinton's a cunt.
by Yoda's Ball Sack
Feb 5th, 2008
06:38:32 PM
Kudo's to Harry for having the balls to black......ahem, back Obama.
I remote viewed Ashok0...
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
06:40:29 PM
and saw a lean two hundred pounds of a Rambo of a man, not afraid to fight off liberals with one hand and muslim extremists with the other. Their heads popped like pumpkin gourds freshly introduced to the sledgehammer. Brain matter from Planned Parenthood mixed with brain matter from the ACLU mixed with brain matter from CAIR. It was beautiful.
queerfilmjunkie wins this talkback!
by Dr. Egon Spengler
Feb 5th, 2008
06:45:14 PM
Well done sir, well done.
Ashok0, really?
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
06:49:26 PM
it must be nice to generalize and stereotype a group of people based on the actions of the minority radicals that have misinterpreted their religious scriptures to serve their own twisted purpose

much like the radical christians that bomb

how about the atrocities committed in the name of the christian religion by radical followers? suppose those are ok?

if ignorance is bliss, you must piss ecstacy and shit rainbows...

DAMN NO EDIT BUTTON!
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 5th, 2008
06:50:42 PM
bomb clinics
What a long Talkback
by Mockingbuddha
Feb 5th, 2008
06:53:04 PM
I usually like to read the whole thing before posting, but damn.
What a long Talkback
by Mockingbuddha
Feb 5th, 2008
06:53:04 PM
I usually like to read the whole thing before posting, but damn.
What a long Talkback
by Mockingbuddha
Feb 5th, 2008
06:53:11 PM
I usually like to read the whole thing before posting, but damn.
Obama to Hillary: I. Drink. Your. Milkshake!!!
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
06:53:34 PM
I Drink It UP!!!!!
Dear God...
by mooseaka
Feb 5th, 2008
06:55:07 PM
...that new Harry animated GIF at the top of the page is disturbing. I have to stop going to this website while eating dinner.
I want to run something by y'all (especially BSB)
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
06:55:10 PM
Since WWII, the opposition party has gained seats in every mid-year election except for three. One was in the 50s (don't know the circumstances), one was 1998 (backlash over the stupid impeachment trial), and the third was 2002 (post 9/11). Every other mid-year election (yes, even during the sainted Kennedy's presidency), the opposition gained seats.

Granted, two of the exceptions are recent; I feel, however, that barring an exceptional event this matter will hold to form. Therefore, I ask the question I asked in 1996: Should Liberals vote for Dole?

The reason I asked that question was because Clinton had already demonstrated he was a lot more moderate than most expected. Despite this, the Republicans had gained Congress in 1994. Between a moderate President and a Republican Congress, the Liberal Agenda was DOA in America. Would a situation where a sitting Republican caused the Democrats to regain Congress in 1998 be a worthwhile reason to back Dole?

Now, there are two caveats: one, there's usually a coattail effect with the Presidential Race, but considering it's been pretty close since 1988 (or skewed via Perot), I don't think the winning candidate will pick up that many seats for his party; the Dems picked up big in 2006 (as expected), so there's not much room for them to grow in 2008, and there hasn't been enough time for there to be a Republican groundswell that'll give them control back this year (even with a Republican victory). The other caveat, is, of course, you can't predict the numbers, just the overall effect. Is it worth an Obama or Hilary just to gain a few seats (but not the Congress) in 2010?

Of course, other people will have issue with this, thinking that the President is more powerful than Congress. HE'S NOT. Granted, when it comes to waging war in Foreign Countries he has a little more authority, but for the large bulk of the domestic agenda it's Congress that sets the path, pays the bill, and inevitably screws over the population.

So the question I ask is: should Conservatives vote for Obama in 2008?

Muslim problem?
by ebonic_plague
Feb 5th, 2008
06:55:56 PM
Shit, if the problem is that too many skoal spitting, gun toting inbreds like Ashok are being shipped off to their hasty deaths by macguyver bombs in the desert so that we can still pretend to be America Number 1!!!1, who needs solutions? But, I don't want my tax dollars funding it! I must be a conservative...
Here's your CNN report, BSB-
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
06:56:15 PM
GA: Obama 56% Clinton 38%
Ashok0, your knowledge of the one true faith is disturbing
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
06:58:38 PM
One, it's Xenu. Two, the Scientologists oppose Xenu because he's the bad guy in their faith.

Sounds like someone needs to be re-neducated!

It's Your Responsiblity to Vote
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 5th, 2008
06:59:00 PM
Against the animation in the top left corner. Put Harry in a cupid diaper or something stupid, but man, that ain't right.
Clinton is ineligible to be president.
by generasputinhole
Feb 5th, 2008
06:59:01 PM
She already had her 8 years as president while her husband fooled around in the oval office.
What a long Talkback
by Mockingbuddha
Feb 5th, 2008
07:00:05 PM
I usually like to read the whole talkback before posting, but damn. Bush is not and never was a conservative nor a Christian. See his spending and that time his aide audio taped him without his knowledge. I wanted to vote for Edwards because he was the only major candidate that I heard talking about the tyranny of corporate America. I voted for Obama, mostly because I believe that he is an atheist in his heart, though he belongs to a Christian Church, I believe it is for the same reason the males in my family go to church, for the social structure and the community. By the way Obama has never been a Muslim, If it comes to Hillary of McCain, I'll probably go McCain. I usually choose integrity over character. But I don't know, I hope Obama gets the nom so I don't have to vote Republican. God I hate those Clintons.
Thanks, man. I think he should use that on his

campaign post
by SkinJob69

Feb 5th, 2008
07:01:56 PM
campaign posters, that is
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
07:02:49 PM
Gotta love a country that still practices stoning
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
07:04:11 PM
mostly just of women who have committed adultery or 'provoked' rape from another man. Talk all you want about the 'evils' of Christianity, but our Lord Jesus Christ never condoned stoning. Where are the women's libbers with all the female oppression in the Middle East? Maybe they're just paper champions of female liberty.
Hey man, we still stone in the states
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
07:05:39 PM
We just get the munchies afterwards
The Maharishi died!
by chrth
Feb 5th, 2008
07:07:44 PM
He was like the 5th Beatle man. Sexy Sadie. Magic Alex lied, man!
Obama's Gonna Take The Nomination And The White House
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:09:29 PM
I don't think the guy is going to save the world, but he'll be a great symbol of the US finally getting back on track after 8 years of neocon fundie fascism. In a weird way we can all thank Dubya for killing the Republican party through his criminally negligent incompetence. Thanks Dubya! Go Obama!
No you don't have to love a country that practices stoning
by ebonic_plague
Feb 5th, 2008
07:10:04 PM
You don't have to love a country that produces uneducated racist warmongering sheep either. Also, Jesus said to keep his name out of your mouth, asshole.
I always wondered...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
07:11:42 PM
Does anyone know anything about Obama's church having black power sentiments. I've heard some pretty crazy shit about it. Does anyone think it strange that Democratic politicians are not questioned on their church background in a race where religion has been quite an issue? Or is that just crazy?
Man, agree on the new AICN header animation-
by SkinJob69
Feb 5th, 2008
07:11:59 PM
A Harry-Knowles-dog licking its nuts and coming away with a suspicious white froth on its lips? I've been coming to this site for a long time, and that is by far the most disturbing .gif I've ever seen up there-
obama no good. pick this guy
by fuckcockshit
Feb 5th, 2008
07:14:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =bq6vIh6VI7Y
I Think Its Crazy That Religion Is A Question AT ALL
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:16:15 PM
In a perfect world, religion would not be brought up in politics AT ALL. If only for the simple fact that you can't legislate on the basis of a FUCKING FAIRY TALE. I long for a world where people who bring up their faith in a political debate or in political terms are laughed of the stage and forced into obscurity by an educated, progressive, non superstitious public. In short, FUCK RELIGION. Separation of church and state, motherfuckers.
ccchhhrrriiisssm
by caninedevotion
Feb 5th, 2008
07:16:15 PM
Didn't you say "nuff said" ? Shut the fuck up already. You claim to be a hardworking, salt-of-the-earth conservative and yet here you are posting on a movie news site all day. Liberals are pussies, but they are also hateful? Way to have your cake and shove it down your fucking gullet, too. I'm not hateful, but I'd love to punch motherfuckers like you.
RON PAUL SUPPORTS BLU-RAY, AND HERE'S WHY
by la_sith
Feb 5th, 2008
07:23:09 PM
IT'S A REVOLUTION!!!!!
Lee L. Mercer Jr. 2008!!!
by coop2046
Feb 5th, 2008
07:27:00 PM
Lee L. Mercer Jr. 2008!!!
by coop2046
Feb 5th, 2008
07:28:07 PM
http://agonybooth.com/agonizer /Mercer_for_President_2008.asp x
Hey mr. capslock
by caninedevotion
Feb 5th, 2008
07:28:11 PM
I know you are on cruise control for coolness, but since when was 11 years no experience? Voted present on more than yes and no's combined? Not true, first of all, but also ridiculous to attack because voting present actually serves a functional purpose. Actually, let me put it this way because everyone else around here is so nice; you're an idiot.
MandalorianSage,you should paragraph....
by travis-dane
Feb 5th, 2008
07:31:44 PM
your posts.Makes them longer and more disturbing.
Was FDR An Evil Socialist Too, MandalorianSage?
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:32:07 PM
He got us out of the Depression, won the war (WII), was pro-union, AND started most of the social programs you seem to hate so much. Easily the greatest President we've ever had.

So what has Dubya done? Let the worlds worst terrorist attack happen even though he knew it was coming, stood back and laughed while New Orleans was all but destroyed, plunged the country into the New Depression, and started an illegal, endless war for Oil based on false intelligence, so that he can secure his family's oil profits. Oh, but he loves Jeebus. That is, supply side warmongering jeebus -- the White Conservative Jeebus. The guy who bares slim to no resemblance to the Jesus I read about. In short, you, and all your ultra right wing fundie freak friends are jackasses and hypocrites. I'm just glad the country finally woke up to your madness.
Coop2946 has chosen Lee L. Mercer Jr. and here's why....
by coop2046
Feb 5th, 2008
07:32:11 PM
Cause Jeb Bush is all in his house with disease
whoops i mean 2046
by coop2046
Feb 5th, 2008
07:33:12 PM
Right, Freedom OF Religion, Not FOR
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:43:14 PM
So, you're allowed to believe what you want to believe, NOT shove it down our fucking throats, jackass. The founding fathers weren't christian. They were either atheists or deists (they believed in a remote, unknowable creator who has no direct involvement in human lives). NOWHERE is there any indication that they wanted to establish a christian nation.

Btw, whats your stance on the Oklahoma Federal Building bombing? 2 right wing conservative "christians" did it. Should we kill all the right wing neocon "christians" then? I understand they're rather dangerous. Or is it okay cause they're white and "christian."
Laserpants...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
07:49:40 PM
The only thing FDR did to get us out of the Depression was get us into WW2. He was dead before that was ended so I don't think he could be given credit for winning it.
Riiiight, MandieSage
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:50:15 PM
You haven't read much history have you? Know the Bible though, dontcha? I understand Adam and Eve road dinosaurs to Church on Sunday. Big fan of FOXNews? Don't bother screaming, we all know the deal. It must be really upsetting to watch your Bush regime literally implode, and kill the Republican party with it. Aww. Now go cry and/or jerk off to THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST. Toodles!
What he can be credited for...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
07:51:37 PM
...is ushering in the welfare state that we live in today. I'm not saying it didn't give some good things to a lot of people, but I question the long term repercussions of it all.
FDR Died On April 12, 1945, klattimus
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:53:50 PM
Maybe he wasn't there for the signing of the treaty with Japan, but he was there for the lions share of the war. Shit, he was President during DDay! I mean really now, thats just silly.
AshokO
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:55:45 PM
I was speaking more to the fact that the Bush admin was a resounding, catastrophic failure that more or less ended the Republican party.
ScaryWaitress, let me clarify...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
07:56:48 PM
i didnt say we (u.s.) werent ready for a woman pres - i actually believe we are over due - i said right now isnt the right time, considering we (u.s.) are dealing daily with nations and parts of the world that openly hate women (especially women in politics with any sway over people) - tell me im wrong about that - you cant - if this makes me sound sexsist or insecure and geeky, so be it - like it or not, im right
PUT THE CAPS BACK ON SAGE!!!!!
by travis-dane
Feb 5th, 2008
07:58:41 PM
NOW!
No, No, They Weren't Christian
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:59:00 PM
Jefferson was pretty much a straight up atheist, as was Franklin. The rest were deists -- they believed in a creator, but that that creator was remote, and more or less totally removed from human existance. Go ahead and show me ONE document from that time which references Christ AT ALL. Go ahead. Seriously, go ahead. Christians believe in Christ; that Christ was divine. Lots of people believe in a God that has no bearing on the myth of Christ.
No, No, They Weren't Christian
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
07:59:54 PM
Jefferson was pretty much a straight up atheist, as was Franklin. The rest were deists -- they believed in a creator, but that that creator was remote, and more or less totally removed from human existance. Go ahead and show me ONE document from that time which references Christ AT ALL. Go ahead. Seriously, go ahead. Christians believe in Christ; that Christ was divine. Lots of people believe in a God that has no bearing on the myth of Christ.
"I HAVE ADD"
by LaserPants
Feb 5th, 2008
08:01:20 PM
You don't say? Really? HAHAHAHA!! Oh man, priceless. And with that, I bid you... GOODNIGHT!!!!!!!!!
Wait...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
08:04:05 PM
Did LaserPants leave?
I didn't even get a rebuttal!
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
08:04:45 PM
:(
ScaryWaitress, this is what i said earlier...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
08:06:56 PM
... word for word - "Hilary was good for new york, but nows not the right time (considering our world situation) for a woman president (that gets teary eyed over her long struggle to get back in the white house)" - and i stand by that statement - i dont recall mrs. clinton shedding any public tears over desabled iraq war vets and the enlisted that died in iraq when fielding questions on the war - but ask her how she manages to maintain herself while campaigning and she gets weepy - if that gets her teary eyed, then she doesnt get my vote
HUCKABEE
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 5th, 2008
08:08:07 PM
He's got Huck and Bee in his name!
I enjoy the talkback irony...
by ebonic_plague
Feb 5th, 2008
08:08:36 PM
...of a fucking barely literate douchebag cretin like MandalorianSage arguing for the merits of christianity. Motherfucker, you are almost literally the opposite of Christ's example. In fact, if your dad fucked his sister in Fallujah instead of Jizzwater, OK or whatever sad stretch of dirt you happened to be shat upon, there is no doubt you'd be screaming in some mosque and twisting Allah's words around to support your shut-in caveman worldview. Although, interestingly, you'd probably still fuck farm animals, they'd just be more diseased.
Sorry everyone...LaserPants is right...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
08:09:35 PM
...most of the "founding fathers" were deists. They went along with Christian traditions, but they were a product of the Enlightenment and believed in a distant creator. In letters etc... they usually refer to a vague "providence" when referring to religious stuff. They weren't anti Christian, but they were not Christians in the sense people usually mean today...by today's standards they were sort of Unitarian.
I'll say this as for as the founders being deists and athiests..
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
08:09:38 PM
If they were, and the vast majority of political figures of that time were most likely not, they certainly went out of their way to speak on religious terms with everyone else. Whether the founders believed in religion has nothing to do with whether or not they believed religion to be necessary for the foundation of the country. They certainly didn't go out of their way to get it off the table. (Except for maybe Jefferson's New Testament, but that was a personal endeavor.)
Mandalorian
by caninedevotion
Feb 5th, 2008
08:11:00 PM
Hahah, you dipshit. So 11 years is insignificant for someone who took major stands on issues and helped sponsor many important bills, but is incredibly significant in your generalizations on snorting coke a few times in college, occasionally voting present, and the hearsay about some sort semi-legal real estate deal? You say you study history, yet you clearly support the current administration and the idea of stopping terrorism before it spreads - essentially the domino theory - the same theory that was used for the "police action" in Vietnam and Korea...we have to stop communism before it spreads - OMGZ!#!@ Mitt Romney is the most cowardly, POS candidate running in the entire election. Nothing Obama has done has even hinted at intellectual laziness or cowardice. Go study some more history, shitbag. You are clearly picking out the parts you like. I love all of these neo-con fuckers on here calling everyone intolerant of conservatism. Oh poor you. Is that the new line of bullshit? Do you guys get weekly bulletins or what? The republican party and many of it's members have proven to be the most Aryan-esque, intolerant group of people in the United States. Have you read any of the studies on media bias alone? No? Alright, shut the fuck up then. Laser is right about FOX, shove it up your pompous ass. All you do is twist logic and history to suit your needs and then accuse everyone else of the very thing you are doing.
But wait...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
08:12:12 PM
How do you reconcile belief in Divine Intervention with Diesm?
Um...about the deist thing anyway...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
08:17:01 PM
...I see he has a lot of posts...haven't read them yet.
scarywaitress
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
08:22:57 PM
Well, you've only just proven my point. Has Clinton launched dirty tricks against Obama? Of course there has, there is no question about that. But Obama has had his fair share of dirty tactics, most notably for twisting the Clintons' words to suggest that they are racist. Some other examples include Iowan Caucus goers receiving deliberately incorrect caucus locations, shameless push polls, volunteers criticizing and insulting Clinton voters, not to mention the "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people" Latino ad. Attacks have been launched from both sides, and no matter who wins, sadly the only losers will be the Democrats themselves.
lol. Voting is for Noobs.
by Tourist
Feb 5th, 2008
08:23:07 PM
You'll vote for Obama, because you believe in him? Believe in him to do what? Take a fat pay cheque and rape, sorry, tax, your ass for the personal profit and enjoyment of a small few.
RE-ELECT AL GORE!!!
by Felix_Happer
Feb 5th, 2008
08:38:46 PM
Amen
by somethingcool
Feb 5th, 2008
08:39:37 PM
Maybe not amen
by somethingcool
Feb 5th, 2008
08:40:21 PM
But I still totally agree.
VOTE OBAMA! Please don't vote for fakeass Hillary!
by Orionsangels
Feb 5th, 2008
08:40:26 PM
Vote Aktrez!
by Orionsangels
Feb 5th, 2008
08:41:52 PM
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People
by somethingcool
Feb 5th, 2008
08:44:10 PM
Obama and Hillary are almost the same candidate. Either one would be a fantastic choice for the Democrats.
This thing
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Feb 5th, 2008
09:01:41 PM
fucking exploded. I'm not surprised, I just love it when AICN references something political and the whole of American politics and history gets debated to death by hordes of the clueless, the trolling, the extremists, and the rational alike.
SHORT ROUND '08!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:12:14 PM
Round/Condi FTW!!!!!!
leobloom
by somethingcool
Feb 5th, 2008
09:16:09 PM
That's pretty good. Ha! I bet you thought I was gonna go on an angry rant.
HULK HOGAN '08!!!!!
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:20:46 PM
Hogan/Beefcake FTW!!!!!!
CHUNK '08!!!!!
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:21:32 PM
Chunk/Mikey FTW!!!!!!
JDizzle... ???
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
09:23:14 PM
I'm not sure what point I've proved for you there... the Clintons are well known for both their dirty campaign tactics AND their vindictiveness towards people who vote against them. The simple fact is that there is enough bad blood against the Clintons in this country that, as riskebiz so eloquently pointed out, the Republicans could nominate Hitler and she would lose... ESPECIALLY if Huckabee becomes the running mate of the Republican candidate. A McCain/Huckabee ticket will take a unifying, inspiring figure like Obama to beat... not a divisive individual like Clinton... THAT BEING SAID, your assertion that a woman president would be bad for our foreign policy, what with the trouble in the Middle East- I think not necessarily. Our next president will need to rebuild our goodwill among ALL nations, not just the Middle East, and if that president got enough momentum behind them from other nations and used that leverage to lean on the leaders of the current hotspots to start behaving themselves, then I think that would be in everyone's best interest... and you don't need a man for that. I actually believe that Hillary could successfully do that, but she doesn't deserve to win based on her track record in DOMESTIC policy. So, moot point.
BALTAR '08!!!!!
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:23:25 PM
Baltar/Gaeta FTW!!!!!!
HILLARY WINS BIG!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:24:51 PM
All she needs is California. Who's out there, Mori? Yo Drew what are your thoughts on the Cali vote?
HUCKABEE JUST SAID HE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE END
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:26:09 PM
Man, it must be nice to have money to waste.
LAO CHE/MOLA RAM 08!!!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:31:49 PM
Anything goes in this election!!!
Anyone know if Harry could publish
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:32:12 PM
the 50 greatest talkbacks on AICN in book form or would he have to obtain permission from AOL and every single screen name exhibited? This and the one for Lost Season 3 Finale would be among the fifty.
ScaryWaitress
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:32:20 PM
You must have been reading someone else's post. I'm not denying Clinton's dirty tactics, I acknowledge that they exist. Same goes for Obama. When did I say ANYTHING about a female President? My point was that Obama and Clinton pretty much hate each other. That's it! No more, no less. You need to stop other reading these posts and then attributing them to other people. Relax, breath in, breath out, chill. This is why I hate elections, people go bezerk when there so much as even a hint that someone out there might even think about saying something that would be considered bad about their candidate.
"CANADIAN KILTED YAKSMEN"
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:34:27 PM
lol
BRUCE LEE '08!!!!!
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:35:20 PM
Lee/Li FTW!!!!!!
J-Dizzle...
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
09:35:28 PM
Holy fuck me seriously. Sorry, man. Shit, this is un-fucking-excusable, right? 'Scuse me while I repost this to the appropriate party... my ire was directed towards...
NIPPLES ON BATSUIT '08!!!!!
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:36:29 PM
Nipples on Batsuit/Flames on Optimus FTW!!!!!!
JimmyJoeRedSky
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
09:36:37 PM
Your assertion that a woman president would be bad for our foreign policy, what with the trouble in the Middle East- I think not necessarily. Our next president will need to rebuild our goodwill among ALL nations, not just the Middle East, and if that president got enough momentum behind them from other nations and used that leverage to lean on the leaders of the current hotspots to start behaving themselves, then I think that would be in everyone's best interest... and you don't need a man for that. I actually believe that Hillary could successfully do that, but she doesn't deserve to win based on her track record in DOMESTIC policy. So, moot point.
LEE/CARTER 08!!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:36:58 PM
Do you understand the words coming out of our President's mouth?!
ILSA SHE WOLF= UBDER MILF
by classyfredblassy
Feb 5th, 2008
09:37:41 PM
That is, if she had a kid. Love the scene with the maggots and infected puss on the chick's open wounds. Stay classy Ilsa!
J-Dizzle
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
09:38:21 PM
do you think Hilary might make Bill vice pres...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
09:38:24 PM
... if she makes it all the way - that would be hilarious
JAR JAR BINKS '08!!!!!
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:38:31 PM
Jar Jar/Gollum FTW!!!!!!
MY CHINESE FOOD DELIVERY GUY 08!!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:38:39 PM
Fortune says: "Your talents will take you far ... in bed"
J.D. Salinger/Thomas Pynchon 08
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:38:47 PM
They would never leave the White House. They would probably tease it every now and then, but ultimately have a change of heart. Salinger would only agree to leave the White House fifty years after his death.
ScaryWaitress
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:39:14 PM
Yes?
Harry, I vote to bring back the IT animation
by thebearovingian
Feb 5th, 2008
09:39:32 PM
Because the new one is fucking gross. Seriously. It's Super Fat Tuesday, drape yourself in a flag. You could of had some cool red, white and blue beads around your neck (in keeping with the Fat Tuesday/ Mardi Gras reference). No, you chose to put your head on a dog and then suck its/your cock and get a jizz 'stache. Barack Hussein Q'addafi Obama would be proud.
OKAY NOW CAN YOU RON PAUL SUPPORTERS PLEASE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:40:54 PM
take those ugly homemade banners off the streets? My thansk!
TIME FOR ME TO EAT DINNER '08!!!!
by J-Dizzle
Feb 5th, 2008
09:41:08 PM
MMMMMMM Spaghetti/Meatballs FTW!!!!!!
Clinton's advisors
by TerryMalloy
Feb 5th, 2008
09:42:29 PM
all supported the invasion of Iraq. Obama and his advisors didn't. That is all.
The only thing that scares ME...
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
09:42:34 PM
...is the idea of that batshit-crazy Romney getting anywhere NEAR the White House. Ick. Seriously. He looks like the actor who dons a white coat and acts like a doctor on pharmaceutical commercials. I mean, come ON... the guy put his dog in a crate and tied it to the top of his car, and when the dog shit itself out of sheer terror at travelling down a highway in this manner, HOSED IT DOWN AND KEPT GOING. If he can do that to a dog, imagine what he'll do to the poor and working class in this country once he gets into the Oval Office.
Ricky Bobby/Cal '08
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:43:05 PM
Shake. &. Bake.
Did you see what I did?
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:43:52 PM
That's right. I put a period after &. I just did it again. THAT JUST HAPPENED!
BLACK PEOPLE WILL GET UPPITY IF OBAMA WINS!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:46:18 PM
Ron Paul 08!!!!
Early Squidbilly/Xavier Renegade Angel '08
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:46:38 PM
Early's the kinda candidate you could picture yerself havin' a beer with. He watched the Superbowl for the same reasons as other normal folk: Cuz it was a damn good game with cool commercials.
BSB
by TerryMalloy
Feb 5th, 2008
09:47:45 PM
You have a CAPS LOCKS buddy!
TERRYMALLOY - YES, AND HE'S KINDA ANNOYING ME WITH THE CAPS
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 5th, 2008
09:50:20 PM
I hope no one feels that way about mine ...
What kind of drugs did the doctor give you anyway?
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
09:50:41 PM
Enough
by somethingcool
Feb 5th, 2008
09:51:44 PM
with the stupid Random/Random 08
IT GETS ANNOYING WHEN THREE PEOPLE DO IT
by TerryMalloy
Feb 5th, 2008
09:52:06 PM
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE YELLING ABOUT!
ScaryWaitress...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
10:01:05 PM
... how do you suppose the killers of Benezir Bhutto might react to a female american president - the sentiment that killed her runs deep, and its not just about her gender - she was a good voice for the people, and a woman - now shes dead by way of state sponsored assassination - some places were never meant to be westernized, or even made into "real" democracies (yeah, even Pakistan) - but what can you expect from countries that have wealthy sheiks, religious zealots and arm chair generals for leaders - where stoning women is still a popular spectator sport - whatever - i hope youre right, seriously - because Hilary could very well be our next pres - i hope Obama wins - but i have to admit, in spite of everything else i said up top, i will vote to elect Hilary if she gets the nom - im voting for my party - 8 years of conservative bullshit is long enough
HEADGEEK, You Might Be a Fuckin' Genius!
by ThisIsTheCaptainSpeaking
Feb 5th, 2008
10:03:35 PM
Seriously, thanks Harry for at least sparking this debate and getting these TBers going. I was a high school history teacher when Bush vs. Gore 2000 happened, and regardless of what one thinks of the outcome, I was grateful we all went through that shit because it should've convinced us all how important the vote can be. Yet here we are again. Register and vote you motherfuckers!!!
ChadMaul: Night Poltician
by thebearovingian
Feb 5th, 2008
10:09:17 PM
Yeah, I guess I do owe it to the rest of the world to vote in an African American or a woman president. [sarcasm]
ScaryWaitress, is the Romney dog story true?
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
10:12:43 PM
...what a fucking doosh - funny thing is, most of his supporters wouldve done the same thing - the conservative mind works in strange ways - ive heard conservatives (family of mine) argue that gay marriage is akin to bestiality - what can you say to someone like that
Link to the Romney dog story, indeed true--
by blackmantis
Feb 5th, 2008
10:14:31 PM
Couldn't fucking believe it! http://tinyurl.com/yrmxcc
And blacks should worry about Obama winning...
by blackmantis
Feb 5th, 2008
10:17:12 PM
...because if he ends up in the white house, we lost our ability to blame everything on the white man. The second we say anybody's tryin' to keep us down, white folks will point at Obama and say "Shut up, negro!"
Romney Dog Story
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
10:20:51 PM
Google News, baby... there's a long list of references to this event: Romney once strapped his dog (in a crate) to the roof of his car. This is from the Catoosa News: "Yes, Mitt Romney transported his dog in a cage strapped to the top of the car during a 12-hour journey to visit his parents. The 1983 misadventure was reported in the Boston Globe last June. Romney clarified that he attempted to shield the dog with some sort of makeshift windshield. The scared pooch developed diarrhea, so Romney stopped at a gas station and hosed down the dog, the carrier, and the back of the car. Romney’s campaign-trail response to pet-loving critics: 'They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.'" Granted, the Catoosa news isn't the New York Times, but it sure ain't the Drudge report, you know? Anyway, there are NUMEROUS references to this in many publications.
hahaha - Ron Paul revolution fizzled out
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:22:38 PM
Fuck Ron Paul. Then again ... fuck John McCain, fuck Mitt Romney, and fuck Mike Huckabee too!

And this coming from a conservative too. Sad what the Republican party has turned in to. Time to fuckin clean house!!

Hey blackmantis
by ScaryWaitress
Feb 5th, 2008
10:23:04 PM
If Obama gets in, I will never do that. There, that's settled, now you can vote for him.
Lamerz
by klattimus_darby
Feb 5th, 2008
10:26:58 PM
As a conservative, what's creating the animosity towards Paul. Iraq?
Jar Jar Binks in 08!!!!
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:27:11 PM
Meesa drop da nuk-wee-ar bomb on yousa ass, Ahmadinejad!!! Den meesa take revenge on meesa haterz!
Hillary munches carpet! (allegedly)
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:29:57 PM
Or so I heard on the radio a couple of weeks ago. Supposedly some newspaper had some dirt on a major Dem candidate having a gay relationship with an aide...
Paul Thomas Anderson for President '08...
by Chishu_Ryu
Feb 5th, 2008
10:31:49 PM
...as well as Vice President, Super Bowl MVP, Mr. Universe, and the second coming of Christ...
New 3rd party in 12!!!
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:39:56 PM
With good conservative ideals, no corporate or international sellouts allowed ...

Smaller government, more delegation to the states, equal opportunity for all, strong defense, secure border, balanced budget, personal responsibility, simple tax code, less government intrusion in private lives, and a government that respects the fuckin constitution. Used to be a lot of what the Republican part stood for. Sure they talk about some of that ... but none of them really believe in it anymore.

New movement ... CARP!!!
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:42:18 PM
Conservatives Against the Republican Party.

3rd party FTW!!!!!

Good night everyone...I'm off to have sex with ScaryWaitress
by FlickaPoo
Feb 5th, 2008
10:42:35 PM
too bad for Ron Paul...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
10:43:13 PM
he was the truest "republican" in the running - but he was hated for his staunch defense of the constitution - but like Bush said "its just a piece of paper" - the republican conservatives voting in droves now (the ones responsible for giving us Bush for an extra 8 years) dont give 2 shits about the constitution - except when it comes to how many machine guns youre allowed to own
Hilary = fake ass power hungry bitch!
by Orionsangels
Feb 5th, 2008
10:43:23 PM
i wonder how many male prostitutes Romneys been with
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
10:43:59 PM
JimmyJoe RedSky - STFU
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:49:40 PM
Don't mistake Bush for a real conservative. Mr Spend Like a Drunken Sailor, expand government like never before, sell out the south-west to Mexico while raking in the corporate donations, fuck the Constitution, etc., etc. Again, I say, do not mistake that tool for a conservative. I voted for him, because the alternative in 2004 was John fucking Kerry.
I FUCKING FARTED AND FILLED MY PANTS WITH FRESH SHIT!!! ITS GREE
by BonerDonor
Feb 5th, 2008
10:51:01 PM
I ATE ASPARAGUS AND SEAWEED LAST NIGHT!!!
Obama is on ... I swear i heard a "Can I get a Amen!"
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:52:26 PM
coming from the crowd.
NASAL SEX/ANAL SEX FOR 08!!!!!!
by BonerDonor
Feb 5th, 2008
10:52:41 PM
LEGALIZE IT AND ILL ADVERTISE IT!!! AND WHEN I MEAN LEGALIZE IT IM REFERRING TO LEGALIZING NASAL SEX!!!
BonerDonor - get a fucking diaper, geez!!!
by Lamerz
Feb 5th, 2008
10:53:54 PM
DEPENDS/HUGGIES '08!!!!!!!!!
"I hope no one feels that way about mine ..."
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Feb 5th, 2008
10:58:36 PM
Yeah. That was funny.
The truth about gay marriage
by Sick Fixx
Feb 5th, 2008
11:16:15 PM
Talk about beating a dead horse. That equine is limp! Homosexuals should be able to live with the people they love. They should be able to even get married to the person they want of the same sexual specification, so long as the marriage isn't a Christian ceremony.
Lamerz, like we'd be worse off if Kerry were president?..
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 5th, 2008
11:31:24 PM
i dont think so - you STFU - you voted for Bush, dumb ass - you had a 4 year preview so you knew what was in store for the next 4 - in 2004 all the exit polls had Kerry ahead in that election - even the news anchors covering it couldnt figure out the surprise landslide at the very end - literally like outta nowhere - anyone else smell another fix? - the neo cons play hard and dirty - i admire Kerrys choice not to contest the decision - this country has a history of hating and attacking the wrong guy - he had enough - he had every right to challenge those results - but i agree with you that Bush aint a real conservative - but he is a good figure head for what passes as and calls itself a conservative these days - but dont complain, you voted for him - you coulda taken a chance and voted for Kerry - but it wouldnt have mattered because Rove and his friends in the galactic empire saw to it that Bush would win no matter what - are you one of these types that "thanks god" Gore wasnt our president during 9/11 - like wed be so much worse off now if he was - i bet wed still have a record surplus as opposed to a record deficit - and we wouldnt be stuck knee deep in shit over in iraq - last i heard, the construction of our permanent bases over there is going smoothly
For anyone who thinks universal healthcare is even possible
by troutpencil
Feb 5th, 2008
11:32:53 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2vc2tm It isn't. And we're all screwed. And the "real" candidates aren't even fucking talking about the $59,000,000,000,000 debt. Because anyone who is stupid enough to support the institutionalized bullshit of Clinton/Obama is too stupid to grasp the actual problems this country is facing. :(
I cast mine for "NONE OF THE ABOVE". ps-FUCK OBAMA
by ScreaminBrains
Feb 5th, 2008
11:56:49 PM
Fuck voting. You think a single one of these assholes are gonna change anything? no. I'm betting if Obama, if elected, turns out to be like our Memphis mayor. He'll preach unity and all that horseshit but soon as he's in office he'll turn into one of those "kill whitey" racist bastards. His wife already hates white people and I'm sure behind closed doors he's no different.
Who here thinks Harry even keeps with the issues?
by Sakurai
Feb 5th, 2008
11:59:32 PM
After what he just posted, I cant imagine him making logical decisions on the facts of an issue. I am not criticizing who he is voting for, I am just criticizing his reason for it. "I like his talk, his attitude and his charisma." You cant see it, but I am rolling my eyes.
SHIT FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCK FUCK SHIT!
by PirateEmery
Feb 6th, 2008
12:09:10 AM
GOD FFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKINGG DAMMMMMIT!
Stewart/Colbert '08!
by theredtoad
Feb 6th, 2008
12:09:51 AM
no doubt
You all are IDIOTS
by THE KNIGHT
Feb 6th, 2008
12:28:54 AM
Let me tell you who I'M VOTING FOR AND WHY!!
by THE KNIGHT
Feb 6th, 2008
12:32:05 AM
I have said enough!
ScreaminBrains, Obama's mother was white...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
12:41:42 AM
i dont think he hated her - finish high school, then go vote - when you are more enlightened
Archie Manning for President!
by Pops Freshemeyer
Feb 6th, 2008
12:41:59 AM
C'mon, his sons were back to back Super Bowl MVPs! He can let Cooper run operations in Iraq or something, just to show that all three of his sons kick ass.
Looking for a candidate who can reach across party lines and cho
by Darth_Inedible
Feb 6th, 2008
12:56:40 AM
And Hillary is that candidate. Vote Reign of Terror in '08.
JimmyJoe, Did anyone say he hated his MOTHER?
by ScreaminBrains
Feb 6th, 2008
12:56:54 AM
even though there are TONS of people on this planet that probably do. You probably need to go back to school and take READING COMPREHENSION before you try and make witty remarks with the adults.
PEROT BUCKLED LIKE THE SCREWS ON HARRYS WHEELCHAIR!!!
by BonerDonor
Feb 6th, 2008
01:23:35 AM
HARDY HAR HAR!
ScreaminBrains, your post seemed to insinuate that...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:39:16 AM
... Obama would promise us the world but once president (if that happens) it would turn out that secretly he hates whitey - like you claim your mayor does - maybe i misread your post
YES for Canada
by BurgerKing
Feb 6th, 2008
01:40:25 AM
No voting for me!....YET
ScreaminBrains, Barak's wife doesnt hate white people...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:47:19 AM
... but she does hate you specifically - i just got off the phone with her - she is hatching a plan to have some of her "whitey hating" scary big black male friends break into your house one night and force you to watch as they all take turns raping your loved ones - seriously - Barak himself is pretending not to know about it - i tried to talk her out of it - but her mind was made up - so lock your doors and keep your gun loaded and by the bed
I want a Hillary/Obama ticket
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
01:47:49 AM
To terrify all Republicans everywhere.
Too fucking early
by DOGSOUP
Feb 6th, 2008
01:58:47 AM
I'm Undecided until October
Too fucking early
by DOGSOUP
Feb 6th, 2008
01:58:52 AM
I'm Undecided until October
a big problem with voting is that...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:03:01 AM
... not enough people fucking do it - i live in a "bell weather" state - and it was reported tonight that based on returns approx 36% of registered voters went out and voted today - thats all - supposedly a new record high - so basically we deserve who ever wins - too many of these stupid young self absorbed fucks that complain about this or that wont go vote because it would cut into their personal time, or fat tuesday and mardi gras - i bet the average 20 something walking around in any given city didnt even know about the primaries or what they are - and if they did they didnt give a shit - and sadly the only young voters that get the most excited about voting happen to be republicans/conservatives (where i live anyway) - its not just young people either - im ashamed to admit this but my own brother didnt vote yesterday - he was going to go after work, he had 2 whole hours to do it - in and out, no crowds - but he was "too tired" - yet he bitches about the same shit everyone else does - apathy and ignorance is why we have the leaders (and choice of leaders) that we do
In the future we'll be able to vote online
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
02:07:55 AM
and it will all go to some huge supercomputer that will screw around with our votes.
JimmyJoe
by ScreaminBrains
Feb 6th, 2008
02:09:46 AM
All I'm saying is it wouldn't surprise me if he did. His wife tried playing the "race card" once or twice already and it's a known fact the church he attends has a history of racism. I'm not saying the church makes the man either. I do think it's very odd that the only family members you ever see are from the "black" side though. Even his sister who he claims is his "advisor" is never seen with him. I don't claim anything about our mayor, it's a very well known fact.. he's racist. He does not like white people.period. He is the reason our city is one of the most segregated and crime ridden in the country now. I don't vote. It's my right not to. I've heard good things come out of Obama and Clintons mouths but I don't think either one would make a good president. It's just my opinion.
HANGING CHAD!!!
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
02:14:38 AM
Did you get your free hanging chad?
nevermind
by ScreaminBrains
Feb 6th, 2008
02:15:46 AM
I thought for the first time in the 5 or 6 ears I've been visiting this site there might actually be a semi-intelligent conversation hatched from this post but like always, the talkbacks only bring out the worst in people. I know Harry does this shit on purpose, off movie topic posts, just for his own amusement. OBAMA HD VS CLINTON BLURAY. You sure can pick those winners eh Harry?
Evil Geek-
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
02:31:32 AM
No, All is good. I only post at work, hence the vanishing act.
sakurai
by HEADGEEK
Feb 6th, 2008
02:35:01 AM
Actually - I've been following this election for a full year now - and I'm a political junkie. I've read both of Obama's books - and watch tons of interviews with candidates in both parties - as well as their speeches and read just about everything on their sites. My support for Obama though is most strongly based on the fact that beyond agreeing with his policies and record... I love his capacity for communicating passion and idealism. I like his capacity to mobilize new voters and marginally interested political novices - and for his ability to move the sort of folks that had been disenfranchised - that I know - to believe again in the political process.
ScreaminBrains, dont play a victim, you sound like a racist...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:36:58 AM
... i guess in your eyes all blacks in politics are corrupt, eh? - theyre all out to get us whites - because blacks invented racism - you sound no different than a black guy ranting on how every white politician hates black people - and there are pleanty of them too im sure, and im sure they dont vote either - what a great excuse, i hate racists so i wont vote - even though voting is how we elect our leaders - and as citizens its the only real time we can have a say on a lot of shit, like who our mayor might be - im sure your town was always segregated, long before your black mayor took office
right on Harry, plus Obama doesnt throw mud...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:39:11 AM
... even though he could and has plenty of ammo - he is classier than that
To Sakurai, YES and NO!!!!
by ThisIsTheCaptainSpeaking
Feb 6th, 2008
02:42:40 AM
You're right, I don't give two shits about what Harry posts, or who he really cares for in this coming election, if he's even given thought to it, but the man fuckin' started this site and chose to use his time to "reflect" on Super Tuesday, right or wrong on Obama. So cut him some slack and admit starting the whole topic was admirable, okay?!?
If this doesn't show what a fake Hillary Clinton is, nothing wil
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
02:43:58 AM
To avoid the question. Hillary pretends to have a coughing fit. She is so fake!!! Argh! Why can't some of you see it? Watch the clip if you haven't seen it - http://tinyurl.com/36qm2g - and some of you idiots are actually voting for this fake ass power hungry witch of a woman. God help us all if she becomes President.
DarkHawke, no more long cliche hit and run posts...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:47:38 AM
... just go back to playing world of warcraft
Shit, Wish I'd Waited...
by ThisIsTheCaptainSpeaking
Feb 6th, 2008
02:48:20 AM
HEADGEEK just hit Sakurai back. Not that I agree, but of all the Goddamn TBers to hit, he hit mine...fuck. Sak (or better yet, "ballsack") I hope you feel better now...
if Obama or Hilary win their biggest worry will be...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:53:39 AM
... the ravenous pundits and talk show assholes tearing them new a-holes day in and out - stoking the already built in hatred for them - working the conservative mobs into irrational frenzies - it will make the hatred for Bill during his last term look like a dean martin roast
LOL JimmyJoe
by ScreaminBrains
Feb 6th, 2008
02:54:14 AM
I'm racist yet even my wife who is half black and half asian feels the same way. in fact, she's the one who pointed it out that he hides the white side of his family from the public. It's not a requirement to vote. It is a choice. I'd rather NOT vote than go in and VOTE for someone I don't feel is qualified for the job and IN MY OPINION OBAMA OR CLINTON would both fail. You can have this talkback now. This is not a political site and I won't waste any more time arguing with AICN talkbackers on my political views. That is just LOL.
It's called acting Dramacidal
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
02:59:36 AM
If you thought that she was really coughing you're a gullable moron. hold on, wait cough! hold on! let me keep coughing everytime you try to ask that question. cough! hold on! cough! hahaha!!!
Obama wins! Put that Hillary Hag back in the closet!
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
03:01:03 AM
She sounds like my snobby 5th grade teacher.
the democrats need a real go getter and shit disturbor
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:05:06 AM
to run for president, like James Carville - he is a democrat that fights like a no-bull-shit-takin republican - and the conservatives hate this guy with a passion - hes got it all - a southern drawl, a face that would translate to caricature easily, smarts, a sense of humor, knows how to argue and win, a republican wife (with insatiable sexual appetites, ive heard), a shaved head... but sadly hes not a real politician - James Carville would kick ass, especially in a debate - plus, wouldnt be cool to have a president that looks kinda like gollum
ScreaminBrains, does your wife spit or swallow?...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:08:04 AM
... studies show that conservative women tend to spit - she sounds like a real genius - post a link to some photos
im curious to know what kinda movies these conservative republic
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:17:32 AM
... studies show that they are the biggest buyers of porn - even gay porn - ann coulter loves shit, piss and vomit movies - its actually where she got her start - under the name ann queefer - seriously - i do wonder what kind of tastes in movies are floating around in here - im surprised to see so many conservatives and Bush fans on a site like this one - i bet they hated the ending to "no country for old men"
i really fucking hate running out of room in my subject box
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:19:44 AM
Oh yeah Dramacidal
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
03:34:19 AM
Because not liking Hillary automatically makes me a christian redneck simpleton. Who loves George Bush. I'm a registered Independent you putz! Fuck BUSH!!! I'm voting Obama!!! If you want 8 more years of the Clintons. Get a time machine and go back to the 90's.
Irregardless of the outcome
by PoorOLtinTin
Feb 6th, 2008
03:34:37 AM
I can tell my daughter that she lives in a country where little girls can grow up to be president, without running under a name like "George W. Bush".
You implied it Dramacidal
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
03:47:53 AM
You weren't supposed write this response Dramacidal. You said you left. You filthy little monkey. I told you when we first met. Don't FUCK with me!
And please be forewarned...
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
03:51:29 AM
Does it even matter in the skeem of the things? We're just words on a screen. Writing insults towards one another. I'm not gonna lose sleep over this, haha!
oh no!
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
03:53:00 AM
Does it even matter in the skeem of things? I meant. Now I made a fool of myself? Nah, I don't care. Because I don't know you in person. So I laugh about it and break dance.
Arcadian- It wasn't just you using garnish
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
03:53:26 AM
and it was a joke anyway
Ok goodnight Dramacidal
by Orionsangels
Feb 6th, 2008
03:56:47 AM
*Hug*
Damn American Neocons.
by DamnMichaelBay
Feb 6th, 2008
05:08:32 AM
Damn American Neocons.
Anyone that uses the word "irregardless"...
by GilesT
Feb 6th, 2008
05:13:27 AM
...shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I'm still struggling to get over the fact that
by Lost Jarv
Feb 6th, 2008
05:58:34 AM
someone reposted that gibberish that hillarylovesme posted.

It was crap and dull to begin with, and it didn't get better on second viewing.

Was it true that Hillary once made an anti semetic remark?
by Stalkeye
Feb 6th, 2008
07:03:24 AM
A few moths ago,I was watching this documentary called F*ck (It's based on the "F" word.)in which her comments are recorded calling some adviser a "Fucking Jew bastard" :O If it's really true, how did she explain her comments?

Anyway, I can't believe the crazy shit that has been posted on this thread especially from that chrrissmm guy who is (alledgedly) a low income Black Neo con.eh yeah, sure he's Black, like I'm Mike Huckabee. XD

....Sigh. Obama did OK, but I hoped for better in California...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 6th, 2008
07:33:21 AM
...like a lot of people I have been praying for an AntiBush to come and pull America's head from it's ass and make us clean again. Cleanse us from the shame of eight years of licking Dick Cheney's sphincter. That said, I would really have to hold my nose to vote for Hilary. I've examined myself and I don't think it's the woman thing...Mitt Romnesy bugs me the same way...just want to kick his face. It MIGHT be a mommy issue though...every once and a while my mom would get all holy and sanctimonious and fake, and Hilary Clinton comes of that way...pretty much all the time. That and she is the one thing that could energize the Republicans at this point. And the idea of eight years of the Hilary and Bill show in Washington makes me queasy in the stomach...Sigh....
Anyone still on this thread?
by klattimus_darby
Feb 6th, 2008
07:34:10 AM
I think McCain could beat Clinton...
by klattimus_darby
Feb 6th, 2008
07:38:28 AM
...but Obama would beat McCain
OBAMA or Bust!
by adrianmoor507
Feb 6th, 2008
07:40:37 AM
Harry, totally agree with you on Obama. First time in my life I've ever been inspired by a presidental canidate and believe that "we" make a real differents. Also he a brilliant speak! Hillary very intelligent but only cares about being the president because she make history for women. Plus, do we won't a president who cries everytime there emotionally. COME ON!!!
I agree...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 6th, 2008
07:46:20 AM
I REALLY liked McCain eight years ago...HATED Bush for swiftboating him in South Carolina (the whole "black daughter" thing). Just not sure we need a Republican at the moment. I'm sure McCain would have done Iraq right the first time, but do we really want to start a 100 year do over now? I don't. Once again...sigh....
....your impending rude awakening.......
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
08:43:13 AM
Obamas economic advisor is skull and bones. These folks never stray far from the top. Obama himself is a member of the CFR (a non-governmental, non-elected group, accountable to no nation) whose sole purpose is to bring about world government (i.e. that means no sovereign America). Did you really expect any "change"? If so, you are in for a rude awakening. Youre gonna get all the "change" you can handle (and then some). Hillary is a Bilderberger, so were fucked either way. Look this up for yourself. Then have a nice day.
Why the fuck aren't you an absentee voter yet?
by GimpInMyPants
Feb 6th, 2008
08:56:58 AM
It annoys me when I hear people complain about having trouble voting at polling places, that their ballots were incomplete and all the rest of the bullshit. Absentee ballots give the added benefit of voting at home, taking our time to choose the best choice and not feel pressured because some other asshole wants to vote behind you.
Somebody mentioned Boondocks Season 3
by Sick Fixx
Feb 6th, 2008
09:06:31 AM
That'll be real interesting to see... In 2011!
IF OBAMA WINS, NATIONAL ANTHEM GOES HIP-HOP!!!!!
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
09:11:20 AM
Christ/Allah 08!!!!
I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO CAN CRY
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
09:13:06 AM
than one who chokes on a pretzel and falls over, and thought bombing Auschwitz was a good idea - with the prisoners still in the camp.
*STICKING MEAT THERMOMETER IN RON PAUL*
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
09:14:40 AM
Yep, he's done!

Terrifying Republicans with Hillary/Obama
by kevinwillis.net
Feb 6th, 2008
09:30:57 AM
Too late. Republicans are already terrified of their own weak roster. I voted for Romney, but Huckabee took it, here. I think I'd vote for Obama in the general over McCain or Huckabee. But continue my policy of voting against the Democrats for all the house seats . . . I dunno, no good choices for crazy right wingers like myself, this time around. Of course, there wasn't last time or the time before either, really.
That Conan/Stewart/Colbert fight is fucking hilarious
by chrth
Feb 6th, 2008
09:35:43 AM
I can't breathe.
Heath Ledger Accidental Bad Pill Combo
by darquelyte
Feb 6th, 2008
09:50:31 AM
All the self-righteous assholes who posted in the Heath Ledger is Dead talkback that said he deserved it for killing himself or ODing on hardcore drugs owe his family, friends and fans an apology. Of course, that will never happen as they hide behind the anonymity of their puters and spew venom. Perhaps he did have trouble with drugs, but like Anna Nicole's son, Heath died of a bad combo of regular drugs. It's too bad that he had to resort to meds to battle whatever problems he had, whether physical or mental, but he did not commit suicide and he did not die of Heroin or Cocaine. RIP Heath, you will be missed.
SK229: Agree and disagree
by chrth
Feb 6th, 2008
09:51:11 AM
Hillary will have an uphill battle regardless of who she's running against. McCain, however, is the best opponent for Obama, because the Republicans will trumpet the experience card over and over and over and over and over and over and well you get the idea; they can't do that with Huckabee or Romney.

Of course, Obama easily wins if he does indeed literally destroy him in a televised debate, but then again, with all those witnesses, how does Obama avoid jail time?

I am baffled by Hillary supporters
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
09:57:03 AM
Why do the Dems continue to hold to their old school ways and vote the system. This is why the Republicans continue to win, because their base is made up of a bunch of mindless leming political action parties and unions that force them to all think one way.

Look at Obama, that guy can actually galvanize a nation and pull in Independants and Republicans, what will Hillary do? She will have every Republican drooling at the aspect to bring up all those tired old Clinton year scandal issues, and it will be dirty politics and that type of vote where you have a "lesser of two evils" and this all just pisses me off. McCain vs. Clinton? Gawd that sounds awful, I will sit that one out.

Headgeek...
by Sakurai
Feb 6th, 2008
09:58:27 AM
I only wish i had your optimism. I am much too cynical to buy into such things.
Hillary is fake. Thats the best ya got?
by knowthyself
Feb 6th, 2008
10:01:10 AM
Every politician is fake even Obama and if you don't see how fake HE is then you really are suckers for his vision of rainbows and unicorns in America. Hillary voters aren't kidding themselves about what politics are all about. Its not that we believe she's "REAL". We just know she can do the job and play washingtons game. Expecting anything else...well you probably voted for Bush if your that gullible.
Im in the 'not voting' camp
by ArcadianDS
Feb 6th, 2008
10:03:39 AM
Im independant but strong on defense and the economy, so 9 times out of 10, i vote Republican. If the election becomes McCain vs Clinton then I'm not going to vote - I'll sit it out and then let the rest of the nation choose. Its like watching the Padres play the Marlins: I really couldn't care less who wins as I have no love for either.

and no this isn't a 'lesser of two evils' situation. Its a 'two piles of human excrement' situation and having the choice to eat from Pile A or Pile B, I simply choose to walk away from the table.

Nobody is talking about Red China and the Yacht Gap
by BrandLoyalist
Feb 6th, 2008
10:05:11 AM
Our national pride is at stake, people. The Chinese are building yachts so huge, I swear you'd think they were cruise ships. And it's not just China; Russia, Mexico, the entire Arabian peninsula -- all achieving wonderful advances in the concentration of wealth and power. That's why it's important for we of the middle class to gladly shoulder even more of the tax burden and support our own disenfranchisement in every way that we can. That's why I'm a proud middle class Republican; that's why I'm voting Romney '08.
Hey ArcadianDS
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
10:05:52 AM
Should it turn out to be an Obama/McCain ticket, even though Obama is pretty left, would you consider him? I mean, considering what Bush has done, could Obama do any worse, and isn't it fun to sometimes shake things up a bit?
Obama supporters remind me of when I supported Kerry.
by knowthyself
Feb 6th, 2008
10:08:08 AM
Idealistic. Hopeful. Naive. I had this ridiculous notion that politicians could change things and that good can win out over evil. Then Bush won a second term and I wisened up. Don't make the same mistake I did. Idealists end up shoveling elephant dung at the circus. Stick to reality and make it work the best that it can. Anything else is just ignorance.
I don't have a ton of time...
by lovecraftian
Feb 6th, 2008
10:13:29 AM
Knowthyself, you self defeating wussy
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
10:14:58 AM
You are the reason that Hillary still has a shot, because all you Eeyore's look at Obama's message and say "It'll never work, I'll just get my hopes up and have them crushed, I don't want to go through pain."

What a pussy you are! Man up, take up the charge, is there a chance you will lose and get hurt again, yup! Would it be painful to get so close, only to loose to some old white fart who says "we will be in Iraq for the next 100 years!" oh yes it would. But consider the alternative, consider the possibility of Obama actually winning, what a radical change that would make for the country, for the world! The rest of the world would really be surprised by our choice, they may respect us again, we would respect us again. So stop your belly aching and grumbling, take a stand, try this just once and lets see what we can do.

I DON'T HAVE A TON OF TIME BUUUUT...
by lovecraftian
Feb 6th, 2008
10:15:54 AM
Stupid computer. Anywho... I posted this at another site, www.dancarlin.com, an excellent place if you want non-partisan insight. Well... It's how I felt earlier anyhow: *sigh* I've got to keep positive. I can't even believe how last night went. I hope Obama can get Texas and/or Ohio. I don't know how much more of this I can take. What's worse is, I keep hearing this sort of "wait your turn," thing coming out of the mouths of the Clinton voters, and it just makes me sick. It sounds so damned jaded. In fact, that's all I've heard out of the Clinton camp: tired, old diatribes about how Obama's inspiring, but that doesn't translate into votes. WELL, OBVIOUSLY IT DOES WITH THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO WIN IN NOVEMBER AGAINST MCCAIN!!! The only people holding liberal progressives back are the folks who are supposed to have the penultimate pulse on the movement. Even the statement from Clinton voters about how, "Well I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Obama ticket..." sounds so freaking smug and condescending. It 's like I'm being told that I'm cute and excitable and oh so impetuous... But one day, when I'm a big boy, (and I've learned accepting the consistent, hefty bribes of lobbyists is what really matters in politics) I can stop wearing shortpants, and vote in the candidate most likely to drive our country further down the sinkhole. GRRRRR ARRRGH (that was for you, Spinny.) But the real problem is, if Obama had to run with Clinton, it could be disastrous anyway. Why? Here' a quick rundown of scenarios: 1) Obama has a decision to make. If he says, "Thanks, but no thanks." He won't look integral to many of those Clinton voters. It'll look like he's eating a big bowl of sour grapes. Automatically, that means that he will never be able to run as a candidate in the Democratic Primary again-- UNLESS Clinton loses in November to McCain. (In that case, we may not even get to 2012, because we'll probably have already started a one-sided nuclear exchange with Iran.) 2) He says, "Okay, Hilldawg. Let's do it. (sigh) 'Yes... we can.' I guess... If we have to." Then, all of the sudden, the goodwill Obama had with Reagan Dems, young Republicans, and many independents, goes right out the friggin' window. McCain takes those votes. They fight hard. But with a demoralized Obama base taking their consolation prize, and NOT TO THE STREETS, and every Reagan coalition member getting itchy feet to kiss, make up, and keep Hillary out of the White House, they lose in November. 3) Even if they win, they have four years of frustration and gridlock. If they're lucky they'll maintain their Congressional seats (even though Congress, thanks to Bush's veto pen, has a lower approval rating than Bush, himself.) They get two years of rabid neo-cons on the attack. Republicans do every nasty, needling, Rovian trick in the book to keep them from getting what they want, and go for a big mid-term election win to take back Congress, effectively nullifying the Clinton/Obama administration. 4) Even if 1, 2, and 3 don't happen, we still have Bill: the proverbial bull in the china shop. He can't keep his mouth shut, or his fly zipped. He consistently does embarassing, stupid things that get big headlines, and undermine whatever accomplishments the administration have managed. In fact, just like Hillary did with Gore, Bill decides he'd be a better VP than Obama. After all, who's a better Vice President than a former President? They lock horns over and over again, leaving Obama looking marginalized. Of course, the Republicans are still after them, so this is all just fodder, leading to either a huge win in 2012 or 2016. Either way, Obama is burned just like Gore. Even though he's the natural choice for the next guy in line, he never gets to be President. I know this looks bleak, and I'll admit I'm making "worst case" arguments here. But this is the very real threat. Which is why I'm fighting so hard for my guy Obama. Because I don't want another 4-16 years of ugly American politics to have to mop up after.
McCain/The Dead Zone Connection
by mattb68
Feb 6th, 2008
10:29:33 AM
I respect John McCain and he is without doubt a guy with balls but why is it every time I see him, I get that feeling he is just like Martin Sheen as the president in The Dead Zone starting a nuclear war after waking up in the middle of the night because "God told him to". Creepy and not the right choice at this time. Sorry.
AshokO, you're missing the point
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 6th, 2008
10:29:53 AM
"irrelevntelefant by Ashok0 Feb 5th, 2008 06:57:03 PM Oops sorry my bad, maybe all those meanies who are suicide bombing children in the Middle East aren't Muslim. Maybe they are mid-eastern Scientologists or something --- altho I could have sworn they were mostly Allah fans as opposed to fans of Lord Xulu. "

based on your logic, everytime someone bombs a clinic, kills an abortion doctor, PROTESTS AMERICAN SOLDIERS FUNERALS (ever hear of the Westboro Baptist Church or 'God Hates Fags Church' ? they are a baptist church by the way), evertime a priest molests a child. EVERYTIME THAT SOME FANATICAL RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN DOES SOMETHING IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE HEADLINE SHOULD READ "CHRISTIAN MOLESTS CHILD" OR "CHRISTIANS BOMB CLINIC". that is ok by you?

you are basically taking the actions of a few radical minorities of a particular religion and generalizing it.

you do realize Muslim is the largest religion in the world?

Obama v. McCain = Obama wins; Billary v. McCain = McCain wins
by SpyGuy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:33:53 AM
That's your general election right there. Even though they're all over the place now, nothing will unify the Republicans and Independents faster than the looming threat of CLINTONS PART 2: CLINTON BOOGALOO.
DON'T DESPAIR, CLINTON/OBAMA 08 IS HERE
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
10:36:36 AM
I put this challenge to Barack Obama. If you really do care about leading this nation and fixing everything Bush broke, then put your ego and pride aside and run as VP. You'll do a lot more good than going back to Illinois and sulking. You will indeed change the nation.
I HOPE BARACK READS AICN
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
10:38:51 AM
Otherwise have to e-mail that challenge to him.
Why legitimize the root of all evil?
by conspiracy
Feb 6th, 2008
10:43:43 AM
DNC/GOP....all the same. Control, expand, welfare, warfare, self interest and oppression. Jefferson would be appalled at what this country has become, where people use the legitimacy of government to rob their neighbor and attack their brothers. Even Adams would cringe at what the Federal Government has become. And YOU folks want to Vote for more of it? Take your pick...Stalin or Hitler...the only difference is the rhetoric...the outcome is the same. DON'T VOTE...it just encourages the fuckers.
Check please!
by DoctorWho?
Feb 6th, 2008
10:44:52 AM
Oh, the futility.
Obama can't take VP...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 6th, 2008
10:46:09 AM
...it would take the shine right off him. I support Obama, but on paper he and Clinton are pretty much the same...what he brings is a big breath of fresh air...eight years of being vice vice president caught in an unholy Hilary and Bill sandwitch will kill everything he stands for.
I can't believe...
by HighPointBleed
Feb 6th, 2008
10:49:34 AM
that there are people out there who would vote for Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife.

There are four people who actually scare me - 1) George W. Bush - Who looks at the American people and basically says "What the f@ck you gonna do about it?" 2) Cheney - Besides looking like the Penguin from Batman, he has a mechanical heart (which is a microprocessor controlling the fully armored hyper-alloy combat chassis) 3) Rove - Evil. Pure Evil. Made entirely of the stuff from Time Bandits...4) Hillary - Rove with a bigger penis. I can not vote for a woman who would support her husband and accept infidelity. Also, Chinese investors... not a good thing... I do not think there is ONE thing she would not do in order to get to the White House. How very Republican of her.

BTW, I am a Libertarian. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. (or any other Will Smith Movie)
BSB Why does Barack have to play second fiddle?
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
10:50:05 AM
Why are you keeping the brother down? Just because you believe that Clinton has the force and power to win, that Barack does not? I agree with Lovecraftian, the Clinton campaign is full of old timers who look at Obama supporters as cute little kids who don't understand the big bad world yet. Screw THAT! Those attitudes are what kept the civil rights movement from happening earlier (wait your turn, the world isn't ready yet) and it is the same BS approach that is scared to rock the boat simply because you want to calculate odds instead of believing in something that has merit and real change.

Look, politically, and on most issues, you won't see a big difference between Hillary and Obama, so Hillary touts her "experience" But I read that and see "experience" as "my lobbyist friends will pay me lots of money to do favors for them". I call shenanigans on that, take a look at this article, I think it is pretty good read http://www.barackobama.com/pdf /ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

clinton would never have obama as VP
by irrelevntelefant
Feb 6th, 2008
10:53:56 AM
he would overshadow her... she wouldn't let that happen

and obama doesn't need hillary as vp to win. obama/edwards is more likely.

FLICKAPOO - OBAMA SHOULD TAKE A PAGE FROM CHENEY'S PLAYBOOK
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
10:57:53 AM
Does anyone think Cheney cares whether he's VP or Prez? Nope. All he had was a nefarious agenda and placed himself in a position to pursue it. If he could do it as Bush's janitor, he'd do it. He despises the office of the Vice Presidency beause he actually has to speak once in a while.

So Obama can learn something from that. If he sees himself as truly a public servant, then the VP slot is nearly as good as the top spot. Given the state of the nation and the support he has so far garnered, he will be very powerful in the role.

Spazatronic 2000, I guess Muslim terrorists never...
by classyfredblassy
Feb 6th, 2008
11:00:49 AM
bomb anyone, huh? Those dudes got it pretty easy. Blow up anyone with a different religion than them, tell the world that you are going to do it, laugh about it when it happens, then watch left wing moonbats blame everyone but the killers who set off the bombs. They got it made, I tell ya.
MEL GIBSTEINBERG
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
11:01:19 AM
I'm not counting Obama out yet but look at yesterday's results. Clinton is ahead, and one should consider the possibilities if/when she wins the nom. Just being practical. My eye is on the ball - the ball being to wrest the WH from the Republicans, fix all the problems.
Saturday's primaries look good for Obama...
by FlickaPoo
Feb 6th, 2008
11:05:55 AM
...last night was basically a draw and three states vote on Saturday, all of which look good for Obama. He is ahead in Washington St., Louisiana should favor him demographically, and Nebraska looks promising since he performed so well in nearby plains and mountain states.......the big news story is that last night was a draw, so if he sweeps three states on Saturday that should put him back on the ass kicking seat.
FLICAKPOO
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
11:10:01 AM
If you're right and Obama pulls it off, I will gladly vote for him. And I also believe he wouldn't need Clinton as a running mate to take the WH too. As much as I am a Clinton supporter (and being in NY, it's not like my vote's gonna sway anyway), I like Obama. No matter what, it is critical that the next President is able to undo the damage done in the last 8 years.
CLASSYFRED
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
11:12:33 AM
I don't believe the CIA was involved with 9/11 but I do think the NeoCons were culpable in deliberately not preventing it from happening. Something's not right about that day.
I hear you.
by FlickaPoo
Feb 6th, 2008
11:12:55 AM
But BSB, do you believe Clinton can beat McCain?
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
11:21:09 AM
That is what worries me, when you get those two politicians competing, the sides become blurry. Yes McCain is the war guy, but he is also seen as a moderate who works a lot with the Dems, and that might sway independants.

Now compare Obama and McCain and you see radical differences, just in terms of Obama's youth and passion, jeez can McCain even survive 4 years in office? I think Obama makes a much more compelling choice for independants and undecideds, than another term with the Clinton's, something that seems familiar and a bit worn out.

Redhanky: What brand of tin foil do you use for your hat?
by SkinJob69
Feb 6th, 2008
11:22:24 AM
Seriously. Be curious to hear who you think brought the WTC down, too.

"....your impending rude awakening....... by redhankyspanky Feb 6th, 2008 08:43:13 AM Obamas economic advisor is skull and bones. These folks never stray far from the top. Obama himself is a member of the CFR (a non-governmental, non-elected group, accountable to no nation) whose sole purpose is to bring about world government (i.e. that means no sovereign America). Did you really expect any "change"? If so, you are in for a rude awakening. Youre gonna get all the "change" you can handle (and then some). Hillary is a Bilderberger, so were fucked either way. Look this up for yourself. Then have a nice day."

Listen People
by ugly
Feb 6th, 2008
11:27:22 AM
Just because you are a Republican does NOT mean that you are a nut. There are, as I see it, five groups that make the Republican party home. There are the Big Business Republicans (Romney), the Small Business Republicans. The Libertarian branch (Paul), the Moderate branch (McCain), and the Evangelical Branch (Huckabee). It's tempting to throw national security apologists in there, but that's an issue accepted by all the R branches, which is why the Dems will NEVER win on that issue. If this election has shown us anything it's that the Evangelical branch does not control the party. If the evangelical voters were nearly as mindless as you all tend to think Huckabee would be running away with this this thing. I was talking this over with my sister, who falls into the Ev. camp and she was torn between McCain and Huckabee. She ended up voting for McCain because she didn't think that Huckabee realized that he had to be President of everyone, not just the Christians.

Now people will think that the only way that McCain is winning is not because Republicans are rallying around him, but because Romney and Huckabee are splitting that arch-conservative vote. Thats the conventional wisdom. BUT if you look more closely at the numbers, that doesn't stack up. The majority of Huckabee voters second choice in Florida was McCain. In states with military bases, which there are a lot, that seems to be the case.

I think what were seeing is people rejecting pundit opinions of any particular candidate. Listen, I'm all for opinion, but lets have it take the form of civil debate. I think my ideas are correct, and if they are correct then they will stand up in said debate.

These pundits seem to think that they need to shrink the party into just accepting people and candidates with the same mono track minds. I say bring back the big tent party. Theres room for a Liberal Republican and a Blue Dog Dem. Bring back the big tent. Theres room for Marc Cherry and Lincoln Chaffey in my party. Pundits be damned.

BringingSexyBack fair enough
by classyfredblassy
Feb 6th, 2008
11:29:51 AM
But what I don't understand how liberals refuse to admit there are some HUGE problems caused in the world today by radical Islam, while they jump at the chance to slam western folks for their religious beliefs. You are one of the few folks on that side who say you are all fucked up. Example: Overhead some very liberal folks from Chapel Hill lamenting that america is too racist or there are too many bigots to elect a black man or a woman. Then they spend the next 10 minutes ripping Mormons. There you have it.
Obama/Richardson 2008
by Nerd Rage
Feb 6th, 2008
11:31:42 AM
Bill Richardson is a solid pick for VP...Edwards is overrated. He'll drag down the ticket.
BringingSexyBack
by lovecraftian
Feb 6th, 2008
11:32:50 AM
Aside from the overall "cute kids" vibe Flickapoo, and I are talking about (Thanks Flickapoo!-- I'm 33, and find that whole "cute" thing really insulting), and the fact that one could make the same argument to Hillary about stepping down seeing as how absolutely broad and inspring Barack's appeal is, my eye IS on the prize. The White House is waaaay to important for me to give up to McCain. And even though I'M FROM CHICAGO, and my opinion is also unlikely to sway, I WILL vote for Hillary if it comes down to it. The problem is that many, MANY independents, young Republicans, and even Reagan Democrats, will just be turned off by Hillary. I heard it put best by someone else at another site. I'm paraphrasing but, it basically came down to the idea that a lot who'd otherwise vote for Obama probably won't vote for Hillary, and all of the Hillary camp will vote for Obama. So, when asked what the difference is, since their records are pretty close to the same, it comes down to two things, inspiration and electability. I have one other issue. But I don't like fighting over petty things within the family. :)
Sorry that "Cute kids" thing was Mel
by lovecraftian
Feb 6th, 2008
11:40:57 AM
Sorry, man, credit where credit is due. SO THANKS YOU MEL YOU SEXY ASS MOTHER FUCKER! I guess I was just typing too fast. But, Flickapoo, you are still cool in my book and on my X-mas e-card spreadsheet.
There are ten types of Republicans
by Sick Fixx
Feb 6th, 2008
11:44:17 AM
Search youtube for a video called ten types of republians.
Skinjob
by Sick Fixx
Feb 6th, 2008
11:52:49 AM
As he said, look it up for yourself. No, you won't because you're afraid that he could be right, which he is.
Huh lovecraftian???
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
11:57:27 AM
Did you not type the following:

"Well I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Obama ticket..." sounds so freaking smug and condescending. It 's like I'm being told that I'm cute and excitable and oh so impetuous... But one day, when I'm a big boy, (and I've learned accepting the consistent, hefty bribes of lobbyists is what really matters in politics)

I agree with that sentiment, and it is what bugs me about Clinton's campaigners. But I didn't start the "cute" comment. Just to clarify.

Bloomberg/Paul
by darquelyte
Feb 6th, 2008
11:57:30 AM
Bloomberg may still jump into the fray and he is pretty much an independent moderate who has done some amazing things. I could see him asking Ron Paul to be his running mate and we'd maybe have a serious third party shot, the first since before Perot dropped out (and then came back.) I don't know if they could win, but (good or bad) they would probably take more votes from McCain than from the Dems.
sickfix
by ugly
Feb 6th, 2008
12:08:32 PM
I'm talking about large groups of voters. Not cartoon characters who blow up demographics for comic foil.
Mel
by lovecraftian
Feb 6th, 2008
12:25:28 PM
Sorry... No I agree with your position. I was just referring to this, "I agree with Lovecraftian, the Clinton campaign is full of old timers who look at Obama supporters as cute little kids who don't understand the big bad world yet." I was just saying that you were the first person to share that sentiment regarding how we are treated right after I posted. Meaning I just wanted to give you credit for sympathizing with me. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm not being very clear with my posts.
I would actually like to see Obama win
by moondoggy2u
Feb 6th, 2008
12:27:45 PM
I think that out of all the candidates he seems to have the most character. I know others will point to McCain's war record, but he seems too mean-spoirited for my tastes, something like the republican version of Hillary. Anywho, here's hoping...
We agree Lovecraftian
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
12:41:39 PM
I think I misunderstood your post as well. No worries. The important thing is that more of these traditional Democrats open up to the very real possibility that Obama can not only win the Dem ticket, but more importantly the White House as well. Here is the crazy thing, with the delegate count seemingly split, and let's say Obama has a huge weekend and takes WA, LO, and KS, he will still be splitting a lot of delegates with Clinton. So what happens at the convention, how do they decide? This is where the horse trading begins, but the scary part to me is, this is where the Clinton's shine because they start strong arming all their old political buddies and muscling in for favors to get their way.

Frankly I am shocked that good old Teddy Kennedy jumped aboard the Obama train, but it was important that he did, he needed to provide air cover for those Dems too scarred to go against Clinton. I don't know who said it, but I think it is true, if you go against the Red Queen, you better make sure she is dead when you are done, otherwise you may find your head up on a block once she gets back her throne. It wouldn't surprise me if Hillary and Bill are using those types of threats to pull in their favors, yikes!

According to data
by Outlaw
Feb 6th, 2008
12:43:52 PM
The Dems seem to have an edge no matter what over the Reps. The Democratic base seem to be more in line this time around than the Republicans (who seem to be tearing themselves apart at the moment). I voted Obama, but if Hillary wins the party's nomination...I can't say I would bitch too much! Both policies don't seem to differ greatly, other than a few foreign policies that is. The republican base (traditionally conservatives) are screaming bloody murder that McCain seems to be the front runner, and Huckabee looks to be this years spoiler for the conservatives. Basically, if you're fairly moderate to slightly liberal you really have to love the situation you're in! McCain and Clinton are already battle tested...there really isn't anything new to throw at them that we haven't already heard! Obama is the wild card...this election's Maverick. It's gonna be a fun one!
Please vote!!! (to get Phase IV on DVD)
by BGDAWES
Feb 6th, 2008
12:45:52 PM
Seriously.

http://tinyurl.com/2unev7
Floyd Sanders for President!
by reckni
Feb 6th, 2008
12:56:42 PM
http://kingofbash.blogspot.com /
I disagree Outlaw
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
01:02:22 PM
I see a McCain/Huckabee ticket coming soon. McCain is gonna swoop up Huckabee, look at the way they talk, and this will bring all his conservative and evangelical power. McCain can then sway a lot of independants, and even though he is old, I still think he looks like a more "likeable" candidate than Hillary.

In my opinion, I think Obama is the candidate that can bring down that Repub ticket. Hillary vs. McCain just looks like two old school politicians, and I see a lot of the middle ground staying home and not voting, and that ultimately hurts Clinton. Obama will energize the voting base and bring a lot of numbers to the polls, that is what he brings, and why he is important. Plus, even though many of their policies are similar, I frankly trust Obama a lot more than I trust Hillary. Her record with Bill in terms of campaign finance, and relationships with a lot of shady characters never sat well with me. Is she for the little guy or not? Is she fighting for universal health care, or taking money from big pharma companies, what is the deal there.

Vinick Vs. Santos ?
by ugly
Feb 6th, 2008
01:07:34 PM
eerie similarities
...tin foil hats....
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:08:59 PM
"Redhanky: What brand of tin foil do you use for your hat?" What did I state that wasnt true, cock? Prove me wrong. His cabinet members are members of those groups. Did I offend your little dream of "hope" and "change"? And the best you have is a crack at "conspiracy" labels? Try again, you intellectual weakling. I guess since youre voting for a "black" man, that makes you "progressive"? Just because youre dumb enough to get your politics from CNN and SNL, doesnt mean we all are. Fuck you.
Lou Dobbs: Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York.
by snakecharmer
Feb 6th, 2008
01:18:11 PM
The shit that comes out of both of them sounds pretty close.
..."gosh durn muslims! theyz gonna get us!".......
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:23:15 PM
"As he said, look it up for yourself. No, you won't because you're afraid that he could be right, which he is." These folks never check for themselves, they let the talking heads tell them the facts. Hence the term "sheeple". Its funny, all these Obama supporters who dont really know who their candidate surrounds himself with. When told that his foreign policy advisor actually created "al-queda", they just stare blankly. When informed that his economic policy advisor is a member of GWBs secrete society "skull and bones", they dont believe (but they still wont look for themselves). They stick blindly to their partisan politics, and resort to petty name calling (without making a single argument to the contrary). Its about all this simpleton is capable of. I didnt mention 911 (in that post), but its clear he throws his cards in with the official account. Which makes him the "Larry the Cable Guy" of political commentary. Still, you gotta pity the poor guy, hoping blindly for "change". We should all want some, after the last 7 years. But to blindly stick your head in the sand isnt change, its stupidity. This egocentonic thinking is whats facilitating the erosion of what America stands for. Questioning authority is the American way. Dissent is patriotic. This simpleton doesnt like being called out for supporting a charlatan. Who can blame him. But he has to learn for himself. But what are the odds of that?
Voting is pointless for the individual
by Rupee88
Feb 6th, 2008
01:29:14 PM
the same person wins whether you vote or not...your vote means as much as any other individual vote, which is nothing. And if everyone felt that way, this would be a different world. Sorry in this world, the real world, your choice doesn't matter or mean anything except to you.
redhankyspanky...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Feb 6th, 2008
01:31:07 PM
...I'm willing to bet that you probably get your "politics" from the likes of PrisonPlanet, Alex Jones, and Dylan "I'll get it right on the 4th try" Avery.

Yeah.

Fuck you.

.....try again........
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:35:41 PM
"I'm willing to bet that you probably get your "politics" from the likes of PrisonPlanet, Alex Jones, and Dylan "I'll get it right on the 4th try" Avery." you got me all figured out, huh? Wrong. Try again, douche. Mustve hit a nerve, I smell an Obama fan. I actually research the candidates, I know thats radical thinking. Not all of us are content to rest with the facts given to us by FOX news (some folks seem to be content with someone that looks good in a suit). So that makes me a conspiracy theorist? Fuck you right back.
.....insert "conspiracy nut" insult here........
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:41:45 PM
Thats two straight jabs at "conspiracy nut" action. Dont like the fact that I know more about "your" candidate than you? You dont like that I have to point out that hes a globalist? You should have done your homework. What a bunch of pussies. Next "tin foil" joke, please.
Better than getting your Politics from FOXCNNABCNBC
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
01:42:31 PM
It is interesting to hear so-called experts talk about Islam and Muslims as if they know anything about the subject. I only say that because I am a Muslim and these terms such as Islamofacism, Al-Qaeda in [insert nation you want to bomb], Jihadist et al simply do not make sense. Yet these terms are continuously thrust upon the general populace to create fear.
Oh, you research the candidates?
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Feb 6th, 2008
01:44:41 PM
Really? FOX News? Obama? Stop it kid, you're killing me here.

But please feel free to tell all of us how participating in the very process America was founded on means nothing.

They are ALL on the AIPAC payroll
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
01:46:09 PM
Perhaps we dont care about Muslims or Palestinian or Iraqis. However, something is wrong when a government places the needs of a foreign power over that of their own people...
Your logic is flawed redhankyspanky
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
01:48:30 PM
You found that Obama's economic advisor was part of Skull and Bones (lemme guess, from Goolsbee?) and so now that means that Obama must be secretly working in cahoots with some secret cabal of rich financial elitists who want to unite the world under a "New World Order."

Further you point out that one, note that ONE, of Obama's foreign policy advisors is Robert Malley, whose father was Syrian and had some ties to Araffat. That is a far cry from "creating Al Qaeda." The fact is, in politics, everyone has a record, everyone has networked and connected with groups and politicians that have connections with other groups and politicians who have shady pasts and agendas. But to try and assert that somehow this taints Obama as some Global Unifying Anti-Christ or Anti-Zionist Cult leader is just insanity redhanky.

You draw such loose connections, and then fill in the blanks with conjecture and conspiracies, that is what makes you a tin foil hat wearer. You can make those same compelling arguments for nearly every leader we have had, yet the more you peel back these conspiracies, you find they are full of holes and subjective conclusions. Why wouldn't the national news be carrying such stories? Is it because they love Obama and are conspiring to get him elected? Well they have no problem telling the story of Rezko and his shady dealings. No the reality is, the ideas and theories you are promoting are so far fetched and so impossibly wild, that no legitimate news agency would publish this because it reeks of paranoia and irrationality.

It mean nothing when a government does not listen to the PEOPLE
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
01:49:05 PM
It also means nothing when the government lies to the people. When the nation wants out of Iraq and the president and congress do not listen to what the people want, then it is clear that elections are a thin facade designed to con the people into thinking that they have agency over their community.
13 billion dollar tax break for Big Oil....
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
01:51:02 PM
Exxon posted profits of 33 billion a couple of quarters ago.... Wouldn't you be paranoid about your government?
....look for yourself.....or not.....
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:51:25 PM
"But please feel free to tell all of us how participating in the very process America was founded on means nothing" - where did I state that? Thats all you, baby. Dont twist my words. I just pointed out that your candidate isnt as virtuous as some would believe. That just maybe hes got ties to the same organizations as the Bush crime syndicate. And for that I get called a "tin foil" nut job? Is that the best you got. Deal with it and look for yourself, if you dont like it. Until then you can stick with small minded insults. "Really? FOX News? Obama? Stop it kid, you're killing me here." - get back
CLASSYFRED
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
01:56:34 PM
I'll tell ya, I used to consider myself a Progressive. AKA Ultra-Liberal. But now I'm very moderate, as you probably detect. On some issues I'm highly Conservative too. I can't speak for anyone else here, but on both sides of the aisle, there's a broad spectrum of thinking.

Yes, some Libs don't see the danger in radical Islam, whereas I certainly do. I think they're keenly more aware / knowledgable of their own (country's) foibles than those of others, which - whether true or not - is limited thinking.

I don't view Iran as the demonic threat that the NeoCons would have us believe (in part because I know their desire to confront Iran has more to do with protecting Israel than safeguarding ourselves), but I do know that radical elements in that society are not going to do us - or them - any favors by taking hardline positions.

Now take Turkey for instance. The vast majority of Turks are moderate Muslims who want to maintain a secular state. But the government is slowly trying to introduce Islamist values on the socio-political system. And people are fighting back; they are protesting. They DO NOT want religion being the mandate on how to live their lives, and surely they see the potential danger given examples of the Taliban in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

So to my Progressive brothers and sisters I say, yes, America has problems. But the rest of the world is far from innocent. We have tortured and we need to make amends and correct that, but beheading and slaughtering innocent people is exponentially more evil. Although some don't believe we are great examples to the world, it is inevitable that the world sees us as such. And with that responsibility, let's lead by example. And let's not be afraid of looking at the faults of others (and yes, radical Islam is a severe fault) and help them.

I'm not advocating the continued occupation of Iraq, but I do see it important that that country does not fall to Al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations. And to do that (and the military agrees), we need smart diplomacy and strategic partnerships.

redhankyspanky
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Feb 6th, 2008
01:57:47 PM
Where and when did I say he was my candidate? I did not inject my politics/positions into this Talkback. Nor did I call you a "tin-foil nut job" (though you are increasingly starting to sound like one). So far, your powers of observation are less than impressive.
....I dont remember putting it quite like that....
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
01:59:43 PM
"You found that Obama's economic advisor was part of Skull and Bones (lemme guess, from Goolsbee?) and so now that means that Obama must be secretly working in cahoots with some secret cabal of rich financial elitists who want to unite the world under a "New World Order." - hey I just stated the fucking guy was skull and bones. You wrote the rest. "You draw such loose connections" - No, I didnt. I stated facts about two people in his inner circle. YOU drew the connections. You came pretty close, until you chose to deny what your intuition told you. I found it entertaining that you would so lavishly embellish my few words into such a broad scope. Please, feel free to continue drawing conclusions.... "But to try and assert that somehow this taints Obama as some Global Unifying Anti-Christ or Anti-Zionist Cult leader is just insanity redhanky." - again, you make the case. "the ideas and theories you are promoting are so far fetched and so impossibly wild" - Hmm, I remember being very brief. Your post is long and colorful. Finally, no you CANT make those claims for all politicians. most maybe. But Im talking about Obama here.
Prisonplanet, Alex Jones associations
by Sick Fixx
Feb 6th, 2008
02:00:08 PM
are not an insult. By the way you namedrop them you apparently want everyone to think that even bringing them up is an insult. But the truth is, Alex Jones is a better American than Sean 'Towing the party line without fail' Hannity could ever dream of being.
Also redhankyspanky
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
02:05:03 PM
You are making some pretty large accusations, regarding Obama and his belief in a global agenda from some super secret cabal of evil doers. As such, it would behove you to prove your point with actual links to factual based reports, and not blogs that use suspicion and conjecture to make a point.

Telling us all how well you "researched" this is worth nothing if you don't back it up with proof. The burden is on your shoulders to explain your claims and provide evidence, we all await your backed up claims with bated breath. But my guess is we will most likely get conspiracy fueled rants and insult laden posts instead, ah well.

DARFUR - I AGREE ON THE TERM
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
02:05:45 PM
"Islamofascism", which as you can see, I don't use. It was coined, literally, in the offices of the Weekly Standard, the home of the NeoCon Brain(less) Trust. And it was coined for the purpose of instilling fear - to make a subconcious association between Islam/Muslims and Terrorism/Fascism. And you know what? If it weren't for the Internet and the free exchange of opinions among everyone (including you, and your Muslim background), they may have been effective. But thank goodness we are no longer easy prey. At least those of us who actually think about what we hear.
If I was forced to vote Democrat I'd take
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Feb 6th, 2008
02:06:16 PM
Obama over Hillary. She does not know the meaning of the word truth. I'm probably voting Republican this year, but we'll wait to see who the final candidates are first.
......powers of observation.........
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:06:23 PM
"Where and when did I say he was my candidate? I did not inject my politics/positions into this Talkback." Nor did I. I simply stated a few facts about Obama, that a few people apparently couldnt process, so they resort to "fuck you". Then again its a movie message board, I suppose. Id probably get a better debate on whether Greedo shot first. I shouldnt complain when the only intellectual discourse is "fuck you" or "you like alex jones" (?) ...."So far, your powers of observation are less than impressive."....based on exactly what? Exactly what profound wisdom did you proclaim that I somehow missed? The "fuck you" part?
BSB: Islam is a complete System though...
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
02:06:55 PM
FYI: There is no separation because religion and state in Islam. The idea that "radical" Islam seeks to amalgamate the state is a common myth perpetuated by the so-called experts. Granted, we ALL have problems. Unfortunately, elements of the West are too much focused on the Islamic world and not enough on their own issues. The reason is simple: They do not care about freedom, democracy etc... They care about wealth. This is an element of the West mind you, not everyone.
MEL GIBSTEINBERG
by BringingSexyBack
Feb 6th, 2008
02:11:33 PM
I do think Clinton can beat Obama. And really, it's not out of personal preference - I'd vote either one for Prez. But America is easily manipulated by political campaign machinations. That's just the truth. Masses of Americans are easily influenced. And because Clinton has a short lead, she can possibly win it, if her campaign is effective is getting enough votes in the remaining states. But again, I don't view Obama through negative lenses. If he pulls it off, I'd totally back him against McCain.
Here is what redhanky said...
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
02:12:37 PM
"Well I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Obama ticket..." sounds so freaking smug and condescending. It 's like I'm being told that I'm cute and excitable and oh so impetuous... But one day, when I'm a big boy, (and I've learned accepting the consistent, hefty bribes of lobbyists is what really matters in politics)

Okay redhanky, so what were you implying by your post, simply that Obama was linked to S&B? If that is all, then who cares. But I think you meant to infer more, of course now you are retreating back and claiming you never said anything. Okay, fine, then I guess there really isn't a problem with Obama, right? Because based upon his policies and plans for his presidancy, I see a candidate who wants to offer a lot of change.

Now if you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it, otherwise I am not sure what we are talking about.

Hey Darfur,
by klattimus_darby
Feb 6th, 2008
02:12:39 PM
Would you call Islam a theocratic system?
...get some o'that "change"!.....
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:13:43 PM
"The burden is on your shoulders to explain your claims and provide evidence, we all await your backed up claims with bated breath. But my guess is we will most likely get conspiracy fueled rants and insult laden posts instead, ah well." - I dont have to prove jack shit. I stated a fact, not a "rant". And you came back with "fuck you". If you want to look for yourself, or continue on in the bubble youre cruising around in, i could give a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Stay ignorant (of these facts) if you choose. His economic advisor is skull and bones. He, himself, is CFR. His foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew "al-queda" Bzrezinski. Those are fucking facts, big guy. I suggest you do a little research of your own, on your own. Im not gonna hold your hand. The only difference is, now you cant say you werent told. Go vote for him is you want to feel progressive. get some o'that "change"!
Reynold's Wrap Just Called
by Vergil
Feb 6th, 2008
02:13:44 PM
They said Kurt Russell was laughing at all the funny little hats. Harry, you are wrong wrong wrong. There is no obligation to vote. Please, people...stay home. Sit at your desk and watch the flares over Phoenix on utube. Ponder why NASA decided to fake the moon landings five MORE times. See if you can figure out the secret Mason handshake. But whatever you do kiddies, please: DO NOT ROCK THE VOTE!
Hey BSB
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
02:15:12 PM
No I agree, Clinton can beat Obama, that isn't my concern, my concern is that she won't beat a McCain/Huckabee ticket. I could be wrong, but that is my gut feeling right now. I do, however, think Obama could beat McCain, for reasons that I have made all over this board. I think you and I just differ on whether we believe Hillary can truly win the big one.
Sick Fixx
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Feb 6th, 2008
02:18:23 PM
Personally, I find both Alex Jones and Sean Hannity to be insulting. They have made a career/cottage industry out of fear, paranoia, and distorted information.
...."change".....
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:20:50 PM
"so what were you implying by your post, simply that Obama was linked to S&B? If that is all, then who cares." - It looks like you dont. Sleep easy, big guy! But when the brand of "change" you get isnt to your liking, dont say you werent warned. "Because based upon his policies and plans for his presidancy, I see a candidate who wants to offer a lot of change. Now if you have evidence to the contrary, please produce it, otherwise I am not sure what we are talking about." Yes, I know. You choose to back a politician based on words. Simply words. The man has no record to help OR hurt him, so youre going by words. If that floats your boat, great. A politicians promises dont hold much water with me, but thats just me. The company a politician keeps speaks louder than empty words to me. But hey, think and do what you want. Keep on hoping and dreaming. Its been fun, gotta roll........
'sigh' then what is your point redhanky???
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
02:22:10 PM
Hmm??? Two people connected with his campaign also have ties to some spurious groups. AND??? That means nothing unless you believe, which I think it is obvious that you do, that these connections will influence and/or direct his policy making.

However, since you know you can't make that claim, you are now backing off of your original point, and just trying to say "Alls I did was point out a fact? Don't know why everyone is yellin'???" No redhanky, what you did was impugn and question the motives and policies of a candidate. That's fine, you have every right to do this, but if you are going to make such claims, you have to back that up with reasoned and objective evidence.

What you are saying now is simply, "hey, all I did was point out a fact, believe what you want" in that pussy like 'I know better than you' manner that you have. Well good for you, you win, you pointed out a fact that essentially means nothing, WOOPEEE! Why don't I go look up some random facts about 911, The Moon Landing, Pearl Harbor, and every other historical event or leader that had questions swirling around them. I can bring up a lot of questions too, but not say anything, YAY!

One just has to shake their head sadly
by Vergil
Feb 6th, 2008
02:25:14 PM
I like Obama as much as the next guy (probably more). But this idea of "change" you guys seem to hold so dear simply conjures up the image of a minnow pushing against the bow of the Queen Mary.
Conspiracies...
by HighPointBleed
Feb 6th, 2008
02:26:55 PM
It isn't a conspiracy if it is a fact. FOR EXAMPLE...

A conspiracy is "War Profiteering is genetic!!! Just ask George W. Bush". We don't know for sure... that it is genetic.

A fact is that Grandaddy Prescott Bush made money by cozing up with the Nazi's. W's inheritance? Nazi Money... W has made a lot of money for his buddies by killing more Americans than the terrorists.
High Point
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
02:29:32 PM
I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. But I think there is more than enough crap that W has done to criticize him without drawing in Nazi inheritance money as a drawback. When you pull in these stories, it doesn't do much but sound like more conspiracy theories.
HighPointBleed
by Vergil
Feb 6th, 2008
02:35:58 PM
This line of reasoning is so stupid it is beneath contempt.
Here we go again with calling facts 'theories'
by Sick Fixx
Feb 6th, 2008
02:36:21 PM
It may SOUND like a conspiracy theory, but it's the truth. So get over your own bias against incidents in American history that you personally find hard to digest. Operation Paperclip insured that many Nazi murderers were never prosecuted for war crimes simply because they were brilliant scientists. America gave them work and protection!!!
klattimus: Not Exactly a Theocracy
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
02:42:50 PM
A theocracy usually has a ruler who is God's representative on Earth (Pope, A King...) A Muslim ruler does not have any power invested in him so to speak. He cannot absolve anyone of their transgressions (No one but God can in Islam). As such a tyrant can be deposed without the populace fearing that they are attack and agent of God. This is an important note though: Currently, there are NO Islamic states. A lot of dictators and tyrants claim that their patch of land is run on Islamic principles (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc...) However, these individuals are merely dictators looking to control their masses.
Fixx
by Vergil
Feb 6th, 2008
02:46:03 PM
The term "theory" applies when you start attributing motive to these "facts". Apparently, 72% of the talkbackers here have a hotline to god (ironically, just like the neo-cons they hate) who tells them exactly why Dubya has done what he has done.
Vergil is absolutely 100% correct!
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
02:48:59 PM
The facts, that so many present, may indeed be true, but when you use these as evidence that "therefore W is a Nazi loving murderer" or "therefore Obama will lead our country under the banner of a New World Order that will give power to a secret organization or fraternal order" than you taking the facts and making a leap of judgement. That is when it becomes a "theory."
The Problem Arises Though When GW's Rationale Does not Make Sens
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
02:52:17 PM
I think that this is where the theories originate. Case in point is the reasons for Iraqi Invasion. I will not go into it, but they make no sense... Hence we have theories ranging from Oil to Israel to Crusades....
Bush and Kerry were skull and bones members too...
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Feb 6th, 2008
02:56:09 PM
it means nothing - except maybe guys join this 'club' knowing that if you are a member it will help you advance in a business or political career later in life - most if not all s&b members have gone on to achieve successful careers in business/big industry and or politics - its a frat for climbers, thats all
Jack Sparrow Was a Member Also
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 6th, 2008
03:01:52 PM
And he did well for himself also.
Super Tuesday
by eXcommunicated
Feb 6th, 2008
03:03:25 PM
Obama= more states + more votes + more delegates. I'd say last night is a "win" for the Obama camp. Hillary can and will try to spin it, but fact is Obama is closing the gap and the next 6 states in a row over the next week look very very good for Obama.
I am a member of Skull and Bones.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Feb 6th, 2008
03:18:48 PM
Technically, Bonesman #69.
Baracka was who you were thinking of Prossor
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
03:18:50 PM
Yes he was a Mortal Kombat character.

And Darfur, the only thing is, whatever Bush believed were his reasons for going to Iraq, you have to remember that both the House and the Senate agreed. Dem and Repub. Hillary says that the CIA Director told them all he would bet his job that there were WMD's. So the real question is, was he lying? Was he misinformed, or was he pressured politically by Bush? Cause that is the main reason, publically, that we went. The fallout after that was we were wrong about WMD's. So did the NeoCons force the issue with weak evidence, or did they knowingly go to war with "no evidence whatsoever" for other reasons. That is the question, and as you say, those other reasons are many and varied.

Darfur
by klattimus_darby
Feb 6th, 2008
03:19:35 PM
Islam is a topic I.ve never known much about but am interested in learning more of, I know that there was a historical caliphate, I know it is the dource of derision between sunnii and shia, is it the source behind the claims of the Saudis and Ahmedinjad (sp?).
*source- whatever
by klattimus_darby
Feb 6th, 2008
03:20:19 PM
Darfur
by Vergil
Feb 6th, 2008
03:22:36 PM
The reasons for the Iraq invasion are obvious. Basically there is a "theory" that democratic nations simply do not go to war with each other. The invasion is an attempt to depose a tyrant (done), assure the halt of WMD production (done, temporarily at least), and instill a democratic government (doubtful, but just maybe worth a shot).
Mel
by Vergil
Feb 6th, 2008
03:26:12 PM
The issue is not (or at least should not have been) whether or not he had WMD's, but rather whether we could KNOW if he had them. Whether or not he would use them if he had them or when he got them was already answered.
Angelina's Dad was a member of the illuminati!
by skywalkerfamily
Feb 6th, 2008
03:36:59 PM
And Angelina could have been.
Obama's 1st Presidential Speech....
by BilboRing
Feb 6th, 2008
03:42:46 PM
"Excuse me while I whip this out..."
Blood of the Empire is.....
by snakecharmer
Feb 6th, 2008
03:44:16 PM
Oil. No don't think i'm a crazy lefty. I'm an independent. Here is why i'm not surprised were so involved in the Middle East. Our economy is heavily dependent on Oil. Wars have mostly have been fought over resources. If our economy was heavily dependent on bananas and the South American had the highest production of bananas, we would be heavily involved in shaping the region to favor our policies. Saddam gave Bush plenty of reasons to use against him in the case for war. But Iraq under heavy American influence is a balance against the oil producing, Anti-American Iran and Chavez controlled Venezuela. That is why we need to be Energy independent. America needs to create the next Great energy source. By the way, Exxon is only speeding up their own death. The high cost gas and the insane profits of the Exxon are causing people take a serious look at other forms of energy. As a result, alternative energy system will come to the markets sooner and cheaper. Toyota can’t keep up with the demand for it’s Hybrid cars. Peace.
......pussy-like..........
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:47:13 PM
"Hmm??? Two people connected with his campaign also have ties to some spurious groups. AND??? That means nothing unless you believe, which I think it is obvious that you do, that these connections will influence and/or direct his policy making. However, since you know you can't make that claim, you are now backing off of your original point, and just trying to say "Alls I did was point out a fact? Don't know why everyone is yellin'???" No redhanky, what you did was impugn and question the motives and policies of a candidate." Youre goddamned right I questioned his motives. Im not some naive fuck thats going to make my decisions based on promises and talk . And I havent "backed off" my stance one bit, fuckwit. ........"What you are saying now is simply, "hey, all I did was point out a fact, believe what you want" in that pussy like 'I know better than you' manner that you have....." I know better than you? I just stated a fact you didnt like (not even directed at you), and you took it personally with "you like alex jones, fuck you".....as for "pussy-like way", well everybody on the internet is a tough guy in a pussy-like way. Including you, tough guy.
Vergil I am not sure I understand
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
03:47:36 PM
What is the difference? I think it is implied that if the CIA makes the case that SH had WMD's, then they are saying they KNOW that he had them.

Unless you are saying that the Govt. agreed they could never KNOW for sure and went anyway. If that is the case, than that really is F-ed up, but if I am a Congressman, even a Democratic, and the Central Intelligence Agency promises me that they have overwhelming evidence that a mad man dictator has WMD's and is actively trying to sell them or hand them to terrorists, then I probably would have gone along. But then what about Korea, how is poor ronry Kim any different...ahhh ya know what, never mind, I have to go back to work, I have had this discussion so many times I just don't care anymore. The war was messed up, there is no denying that, jumping the gun on foreign affairs by bullying the rest of the world is clearly wrong. As much as I don't want to be talked down to by France, we all need to accept that we blew it (literally) and should have let the UN worked for more talks and inspections. It is not our job to depose dictators the world round, unless we want to be global police.

......."YAY"?.........
by redhankyspanky
Feb 6th, 2008
03:50:41 PM
"if you are going to make such claims, you have to back that up with reasoned and objective evidence." I stated a fucking fact, not a claim. Just because you cant handle the implications , deosnt make it untrue. "I can bring up a lot of questions too, but not say anything, YAY!" - You havent really said much of anything yet. Just a little name calling, and demands that I provide proof of something you were oblivious of in the first place.
Here is why you are a pussy redhanky!
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Feb 6th, 2008
03:54:24 PM
Cause you bring up some "facts" make some claims, and then won't back them up with any proof. Provide me some links or evidence that Obama is a politician that desires to turn the keys of our country over to a New World Order. Explain how he is going to do that, and why he wants to do that. Explain to me why his aid, who may have something to do with Syrian's, is a terrorist who created Al Qaeda and what the even means? If you can't do that, then shut the fuck up.

As for taking it personally, nope, just pointing out lunacy when I see it. Do I like Obama, sure, as a candidate I think he is my pick for now. Do I think he is perfect, no. Does he have some skeletons in the closet, maybe, who knows. So far I am not sure what you are pointing out, other than your own ignorance and willingness to believe in conspiracies. So back up your