That portrait idea is brutal- I personally see Blair being painted deep-throating Uncle Sam, and his successor Brown as Fagin with his hands in everyone's pockets- whilst being simultaneously cornoled by Sarkozy.

Yuo know this to be true, although I suppose these are more cartoons,

About Hillary's vote - let's clear that up for the millionth time. Post 9/11, the Dems rallied around the President in a patriotic fashion. Their vote was to give Bush leverage to pressure Hussein into capitulation, not an outright endorsement for an invasion. Because face it, Bush is a madman no one saw coming (but they should have, if they had done their homework on the NeoCons who had already infilitrated the Administration).

As for wages being slashed to support universal health care ... those McCarthyite scare tactics are so worn out. Bush has slashed taxes for the wealthy while drawing up a new economic plan that will drive our nation further into record debt, caused untold miliary and civilian casualties, tried to hand over Social Security to the same banks that caused a financial crisis (with more news of losses in the consumer and corporate credit sectors to come), ETCETERA ... and that's the best you've got on Clinton? Get real.

I find it astounding that there isn't a "State Health Service" in America.

It's really, really strange,

pretty fucking funny.

and where is AnimalStructure? guess he doesn't get up this early. stayed up late writing his treatise on how Southern Conservative saved the civil rights movement.

(and I wish I were joking, but he really does believe it)

it's truly a thing of beauty. collective ignorance is a great means for togetherness. from "hillary is a robot" to "obama has no voting record" to "democrats are socialists" to "I'm voting for Ron Paul"...ALL THE IDIOTS ARE HERE!!!

it's a political down-syndrome free-for-all!!

have a great Super Tuesderrrrrrrrrr

Stripper Factories

There's no excuse for it. It isn't any better just because it isn't strictly racism.

But, who cares, right? Obama is for "CHANGE" so he's gotta be good, right? Well, Hitler brought change; Mao brought change; Pol Pot brought change; Kim Jong Il brought change; Stalin brought change; Ayatollah Khomeini brought change. Change =/= progress. Change =/= always good.

If you don't know what you're voting for, you're worse than those who just stay home. Ignorance is no virtue in times like these.

And don't you have seperation of church and state? Therefore it shouldn't matter if the president is Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or worships the Flying Spaggheti Monster. The only reason it does matter is because the parties have discovered that being religious is a vote winner.

And I'm not European. I'm British. And what you know about the Islamic Problem in this country could be written on the back of a postage stamp. We've lived under a terrorist threat for fucking decades. Ain't nothing new about this lot of murdering bastards.

Just FYI.

What's not to like about Ralphie?

Not the same thing at all. If you meant that the slowdown was due to the dot com mess then fair enough.

Obabma is not muslim. Part of the responsibilty of being a voter is to be informed. If you don't pay attention to the hundreds of FALSE emails and instead do research on the facts, I believe you'd find Obama to be a member of the Penticostal Church. HE IS NOT A MUSLIM.

Believing everything you want to does not make you informed. It actually makes you an idiot.

On that level you have suceeded.

It's very frustrating.

Erm, they did. Hence the fuck up.

Sick FiXX whatever it is you are smoking, one of my coworkers would like to buy some of that shit from ya. Muslim indeed. XD

So that is my pitch for Ron Paul. Sounded pretty good didn't it. It's all true. He will not win because the media has ignored, ridiculed and demeaned him the entire time. Thanks media. Thanks.

"Lenders do not lend money to borrowers who don't have the credit or the income to afford it." ... that's PRECISELY the cause of the multi-billion dollar losses every major bank has suffered. 95% to 100% mortgages to anyone with a pulse.

And if the consumer credit sector goes down, the whole economy does. No spending, no revenues, no jobs. Which will further drive property values down.

What does this have to do with Bush? Are you daft? He deliberately drove this train to this station with his economic policies while the country was distracted by bloodshed in the Middle East. I mean, hell, he was the worst borrower of all. He borrowed from China and every other country to pay for the war, and who's footing the bill? The Middle Class' future.

2. "Change" is not always a good thing. In fact, things could get WORSE if they were to "change."

3. The media is having an exposure and coverage orgy with Barack Hussein Obama. Historically, the media does NOT represent most Americans.

4. Hillary and Bill are the first to point at Barack Hussein Obama's lack of experience and questionable ethical background.

5. Hillary says to not vote for Obama.

6. Obama says to not vote for Hillary.

Conclusion: Both Obama and Hillary are right about who NOT to vote for. Both Obama and Hillary are WRONG for this nation at this time in history!

John McCain is the only candidate with military experience and long-term government leadership experience. He is the only "normal" American running (normal being that he seems to genuinely identify with most Americans; and he actually watched the Superbowl for the same reason that we watched -- a good game and cool commercials).

While I don't agree with John McCain in every area, he is the best candidate for the job of President of the United States. He is the only candidate that gives Osama bin Laden (and every other funadmentalist religious terrorist) nightmares. I like McCain that he was willing to suffer and endure for 5 and a half years as a tortured Prisoner of War -- while raunchy ULTRA-LIBERAL American hippies back home were calling him a "baby killer." Why did he do this? He loved his country.

I don't think that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodman Clinton really love their country like that. I think that Hillary and Obama love being loved and are in love with a LIBERAL IDEA about America. I don't want America to be as FAR-LEFT LIBERAL as Hillary, Obama or Nancy Pelosi are aiming. They only "tolerate" those who support and agree with them.

ABC: A-nybody B-ut C-linton!

NWO: N-o W-ay, O-bama!

"If you stand your ground on something and die, what have you accomplished? nothing."

Jericho: "What about The Alamo. They stood their ground against an invading army and payed with their lives. Was that for nothing?"

"Sure. They became martyrs for a lost cause and it was such a sad waste."

Go ahead and vote McCain but just remember that he thinks that the brave men who stood their ground at The Alamo against the armies of Mexico wasted their lives and should have tried to find a common ground of cooperation with the invading enemies.

This is the guy you want defending our country from attack? What idiocy.

He sang "Bomb Iran"

He has admitted he knows not much about the economy but that his friends Jack Kemp etc etc do...essentially saying he will pass the task onto other people.

He now supports the Bush taxes cuts, after opposing them in the past...thus flip flopping.

He wants illegal immigrants to pay a $3,000 fine and then be able to stay in America.

McCain-Feingold restricted the first amendment.

He will stand no chance against Obama...that is why the republicans will go for Romney. Pretty Boy versus great public speaker...

WHOEVER WINS...WE LOSE.

Imagine Harry not posting a review of a film with pubescent girls in it. It's the apocalypse.

Unless you decide to not have a job - then she gives it to you for free.

Also why involved with those trade orgnizations when it is exclusionary and like the U.N. places sanctions on countries that kills millions (i.e. Iraq in the nineties)

regardless of who wins, it would be nice to see a voter turnout above 70%

1. Obama is inexperienced and is running a campaign about "change."

2. "Change" is not always a good thing. In fact, things could get WORSE if they were to "change."

3. The media is having an exposure and coverage orgy with Barack Hussein Obama. Historically, the media does NOT represent most Americans.

4. Hillary and Bill are the first to point at Barack Hussein Obama's lack of experience and questionable ethical background.

5. Hillary says to not vote for Obama.

6. Obama says to not vote for Hillary.

Conclusion: Both Obama and Hillary are right about who NOT to vote for. Both Obama and Hillary are WRONG for this nation at this time in history!

John McCain is the ONLY candidate with military experience and long-term government leadership experience. He is the only candidate who currently has children actively serving in the military. He is the only "normal" American running (normal being that he seems to genuinely identify with most Americans; and he actually watched the Superbowl for the same reason that we watched -- a good game and cool commercials). Hillary thought that Eli Manning threw a nice "home run" while Barack Hussein Obama thought that there was plenty of money to be made from lawsuits following the game!

While I don't agree with John McCain in every area, he is the best candidate for the job of President of the United States. He is the only candidate that gives Osama bin Laden (and every other funadmentalist religious terrorist) nightmares. I like McCain that he was willing to suffer and endure for 5 and a half years as a tortured Prisoner of War -- while raunchy ULTRA-LIBERAL American hippies back home were calling him a "baby killer." Why did he do this? He loved his country.

I don't think that Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodman Clinton really love their country like that. I think that Hillary and Obama love being loved and are in love with a LIBERAL IDEA about America. I don't want America to be as FAR-LEFT LIBERAL as Hillary, Obama or Nancy Pelosi are aiming. They only "tolerate" those who support and agree with them.

ABC: A-nybody B-ut C-linton!

NWO: N-o W-ay, O-bama!

This race has nothing to do with color. It has everything to do with ideology! I would love to have a woman or an African American for President. Clinton is not that woman. Obama is not that African American. McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

This period of history is far too important to waste it on two untried power-hungry, self-promoting candidates like Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama.

They why vote for Barack Hussein Obama? Obama is the wrong man for this point in history.

Barack's rhetoric is interlaced with the same old "tax and spend" philosophy of liberals of past ages. Why do you think ol' Teddy (the Murderer) Kennedy is supporting his liberal pal? It won't be long before Barack Hussein Obama begins using the "Republicans hate black people" or "Democrats are the party of the poor and common man" lies.

Hillary? She is simply wrong for ANY time of our nation's history.

Uhhh...no.

But I prefer the past 8 years over the crap in store for us that could result from an ultra-liberal, inexperienced guy like BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. He served a year in Congress before deciding to run for President. What a pompous, self-promoting dick!

At least with McCain, we KNOW what we are getting. Hillary is just plain silly and Barack is a RISK that I am not willing to take. I would much prefer a McCain/Condi White House than a Hillary or Obama lib-fest.

JK

His one year spent it Congress before deciding to run for President just does not provide enough experience to be the most powerful leader in the world.

McCain, on the other hand, has proven himself as a soldier, as a tortured prisoner of war for 5 1/2 years, as a middle class private citizen and as a Senator.

Barack Hussein Obama is a piss-poor decision maker. He missed more votes than any other member of Congress, and only showed up to vote for his ultra-liberal causes. Before that, he was a rich lawyer who profitted from lawsuit abuse and representing scumbag slum landlords like Rezko. Is this the man we want for our President?

I'd rather skip the risk and vote for someone tried and true...someone like John McCain

McCain/Condi in 2008!

Just change that constitution thingy to let him run.

It would be hysterical.

"I surrender in Iraq!"

lol Barack Hussein Obama wants to prove that you CAN reason with a terrorist. I wonder if he would still believe it after they declare continued "jihad" on this nation? What a SLAP IN THE FACT to the people of Iraq who are finally realizing TRUE DEMOCRACY there! The terrorists are so weak and on the run that they are recruiting mentally disabled women for suicide bomb missions! Iraq is about to emerge VICTORIOUS!

...but Barack Hussein Obama says that we should surrender.

What an ULTRA-LIBERAL dick! He speaks great ass-tickling rhetoric -- but it has no substance!

No Hard Feelings! Had to say it though.

And before you say anything, my old man is from Dublin and he would never, ever say something as stupid, asinine and offensive as that. But it isn't offensive if you say it against the English, is it?

Deficit/costs of war: Same source. Bush adopted a proactive approach in the "War on Terror" (whatever that means). War costs money. As we now know, Hussein (Saddam, not Obama) faked WMDs because he feared an attack from Iran. So he got attacked by the US instead. Bush got antsy because the summer was approaching, and he started the war before he should have. As a result, a plan for maintaining the country was never put together, and the administration has mostly played catch-up since then.

In addition, the tax cuts at the beginning of the term was never met with tax raises when the economy recovered (although recession -> 9/11 -> Katrina never really gave a stable moment in which to raise taxes), so the deficits weren't going away anytime soon.

As for the weak dollar, well, currency valuations are historically cyclical. The weak dollar benefits the US, though, so the only people who complain are people who don't understand the effects of currency on the economy, or Europeans who are getting royally f'd over by the weak US dollar.

As for the economy, it's not tanking. That's what the funny thing is. Unemployment is still low. Job market is cooling off, yes, but there is no indication that a massive round of layoffs is about to hit. You have the morons who gave out the subprime mortgages like candy, but a recession was due soon anyway. Until the unemployment numbers start to hit 6, I won't even break a sweat about the economy.

Flickapoo: Things could always be better. Obviously some things (Katrina being the most obvious example) couldn't have been avoided, and the subprime mortgage crisis was brought about purely by greed, but then again, so was the Internet bubble, and the Real Estate bubble, and every other bubble that has ever happened in an economy. I'm not saying these things are predictable per se, I'm just saying that they happen in one form or another. Economies run in cycles. You're always somewhere in the cycle. And since economics forbids a perfect situation (everyone working + strong wages = high inflation leading to eventually not everyone working and wages not being worth as much). But the weak dollar is at a perfect time, because Europe will do a large part in keeping the recession from getting too deep.

BSB: In reality, one should never sweat. That's the problem I had with Bernanke's 3/4 drop the other week. It was a panic move. It tells everyone else to panic. DON'T PANIC! Nothing hurts an economy faster than an emotional, unreasoned response. If people fear that the price of stocks are going to drop so they move all their money to bonds -- guess what, the price of stocks will drop! It's self-fulfilling. If everyone would just be rational (and that includes the mortgage they take out), the economy wouldn't have as many problems.

Of course, if stagflation sets in ... run for the hills!

Just kidding. Well said. Disagree with it, but well said.

Look, I'd love for Universal Health Care. I'd be able to quit my job ten years earlier. It'll be fantastic. But everyone needs to understand something: Hilary couldn't get a stripped down UHC system going with the Democrats in Congress. The idea of Obama pushing through UHC with at least 40% of congress being Republican is laughable.

The best plan I've seen is from the Undercover Economist, which is basically government mandated health care savings (I think Kerry had a similar plan in 2004).

BEWARE SADDAM ACHMED MCCEINNI

Oh, yeah...CANKLES.

talk about a divided party

...or because I realize that Obama is an inexperience, self-promoting little dick.

I care far too much about this country than to put it into the hands of someone as inexperienced (one year in Congress before deciding to run for President) and ULTRA-LIBERAL as Barack Hussein Obama.

Get a job, Hippie! Barack's plan to TAX THE HELL out of middle class people with college diploma's isn't going to provide you more welfare! Right now, I am not yet middle class. If Barack has his way, I might never want to be!

McCain/Condi in 2008!!!

McCain/Condi in 2008!

Give 'em Hell, Johnny! Give those terrorist bastards and liberal pussies Hell!

he was a blowhard deuschebag back then as well.

bill hicks had a great line about limbaugh, don't remember it verbatim - something along the lines of Reagan took a shit and out came Limbaugh

i'm going out on a limb and guess ccchhhrrriiisssm is a 'ditto head'. they like to use Obamas full name in hopes people will subconsiuosly connect him to Sadam and Osama...

...and let the destruction of America begin!

Well, maybe not. But they will try their best to force the "morality" of San Francisco to become the "norm" for the rest of America.

DemocRATs care more about saving the whales than they do saving unborn babies. What does Barack know about being black? He is a Harvard sell out, with nothing in common with the rest of us!

Do you hear that? Whhoooooosh! It is the sound of millions of minorities leaving the DemocRATic Party because they realize that the DemocRATic Party does not represent our traditions, values or beliefs!

Ms. Pelosi, promises of more welfare benefits just don't cut it anymore!

I just realize that Barack Hussein Obama (that IS his name) is just another inexperienced, ultra-liberal little dick. Try to keep the HATE and STEREOTYPING to a minimum, k?

Rather, Barack Obama is more like an inexperienced little rich dick who likes to play the race card while sissy fighting with the likes of Hillary Clinton and her husband.

Barack is no Reagan, and Hillary is no Bill!

Heck, I would even take Romney over either Hussein Obama or Rodham Clinton!

He was at the convention stumping for himself (along with Hucks and Romns), but McCain wasn't. But McCain moved on, and Paul didn't. In Basketball terms, Paul got outscored by McCain-DNP

...who cares? They don't represent their parties any more than you or I.

They don't represent us any more than FoxNews represents the Republicans or CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/New York Times/Washington Post/ most Hollywood executives represent the Democratic Party, right?

What a deceitful, inexperienced little rich prick!

One can never be too certain.

Thank you for your anti-conservative bigotry that would even cause you to LIE for your liberal candidates! The Democratic Party's "politics of hate" have been highly successful in the past. Let's just hope that people will see through the LIES and realize what really matters in this election!

I swear it sounds like he's gonna say something like "I'm gonna lay the smackdown on this jabroni!!" or something like that. He has the same voice almost that I want to laugh every time I hear him speak on TV.

Are you surprised that a conservative would be on a movie website?

Gulp ... are you even more surprised to find out that a poor but educated black man like myself would NOT want to vote for a ULTRA-LIBERAL candidate like Obama or Hillary? Why is it in your nature to stereotype?

I wouldn't vote for Hillary or Obama -- even if they were the only two people running! They are both BAD FOR AMERICA! Hillary is a insincere, power-hungry hate-monger and Obama is the Michael Jackson of ultra-liberal ideas (like tax and spend)!

McCain (or even Romney) are the only safe bets for America!

Keep yelling "SURRENDER!" haters! Your HATE for anyone else is shining through!

They would like to see that sort of BONDAGE in the White House!

Open your eyes, bro! The truth can be quite exhilarating!

McCain/Condi in 2008 - or - Romney/Condi in 2008!

my point is that both sides (Ultra-liberal -fetus hating- pot smoking - whale hugging hippy leftwings, and neocon-corporate cocksucking- haliburton pocket lining- fact fudging- war mongering rightwings) have a list of key words and phrases that they LOVE LOVE LOVE to regurgitate throughout their party and the media in the hopes that their followers who base their opinions on soundbites and catch phrases won't take the time to research the facts or issues and make an informed decision

I really don't give a shit who anyone is voting for, as long as they have taken the time to research the issues they feel are important to them as well as researching the candidates view on those issues.

what is most amusing to me is how people in this talkback think they are going to change somebodys mind. you've got a better chance of changing someones mind about Ghost Rider being a piece of shit movie.

i mean for Gods sake, Carville and Matalin are complete opposite sides of the political spectrum and they are married fuck buddies (mental pic...eww)

ADAMA/TIGH 2008!!!!

"McCain by tompiltoff Not perfect, but the only candidate that will keep us in Iraq who isn't a religious whacko." - Why the HELL would we ever want to stay in Iraq?

A Chicago reporter even "dared" him to spend the night in one of those crime-infested slum neighborhoods, but Obama declined. He much preferred the warmth of his condo purchased by the money he received from being a rich, insincere trial laywer.

So much for Obama's "Harvard" education! It looks like he missed quite a few of his Legal Ethics classes. Is it no wonder that he now only PRETENDS to understand the plight of typical African Americans?

The cure for America is not in Hillary or Obama's "politics of destruction." The cure for America is in the hope of what is good and decent. Neither Hillary nor Obama understand that definition.

Believe me, if Obama wins the Democratic nomination, all of his dirty laundry of the past will come to light! He will blame Republicans for displaying his past, preferring to rely on his 1 year of experience in Congress.

Especially when Hillary's idea of "change" is taking us back to that special time of Whitewatergate and when her hubby was defining the word "is" while getting oral from a chubby because of the vast, right-wing conspiracy.

sounds like someone needs to go see RAMBO!

1. I am for lower taxes.

2. I believe that all human life is precious (including the lives of unborn babies) and abortion should be rare.

3. I believe that EXPERIENCE MATTERS. Hillary simply wanted power, so she moved to a city that was silly enough to elect an outsider because she was liberal. Obama served less than a year in Congress before deciding to run for President. McCain served 20 years in the military (5 1/2 year being tortured as a prisoner of war), 5 years in the House of Representatives and 21 years in the Senate. Romney earned his MBA and Law Degree from Harvard and then became a successful businessman. He successfully took over the administration of the 2002 Winter Olympics (after scandals in the USOC) and made them quite profitable. He was elected as a Republican Governor in an extremely liberal state (Massachussetts).

4. I believe in a strong military and victory in the Middle East, rather than the "we are defeated" rhetoric that spews from Hillary and Obama's mouths.

5. I believe in free speech. However, I do not believe that "free speech" should extend to pornography or smut that is commericially peddled to children over the internet or airwaves (while liberals try to argue that it is protected free speech).

6. I believe that severe crimes should be severely punished.

7. I believe that the nation is at war with Islamic Fundamentalists who will not declare a truce until the world is under the control of fundamentalist Islamic control.

8. Obama is an insincere little dick. ,/p.

9. Hillary is an insincere little dick too.

10. I believe that both Hillary and Obama are wrong for America. The "change" that they want is not a "change" in the right direction. They want a "change" in the WRONG direction!

Wouldn't it be nice if the liberal pundits would SHUT UP?

Then why not use our intelligence instead of our "warm feelings" when we vote?

I was for Edwards cause he has nice hair....

I simply said that these to vindictive little dicks aren't experienced enough to handle the office of COMMANDER IN CHIEF and have no real plan for ANYTHING. They just have a lot of nice, sounding rhetoric of HATE BUSH. They make it sound like conservatives are evil.

As for "AA's withh a brain," let me remind you that over 10% of African American voters don't believe the LIES told by the DemocRATic Party! And nearly 60% of AAs do not vote. Only those who are gullible and uneducated enough to believe the garbage spoon fed by DemocRATs (like Rev's Al and Jesse, along with Nancy Pelosi or Obama) will vote for a DemocRAT. The rest of us low income African Americans will vote our conscience.

But that is a scary thing to liberals like you, isn't it?

I didn't think so, little dick.

Jeez, you liberals are a hateful and gullible breed!

Then again we all know you're a douchey honkey just playing around. It's okay for a laugh.

So you think that all African American folk will vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama? Wow, and I just thought that your kind of brainwashed crackheads existed in fairy tales!

Well, let me be the first to "burst your bubble." Not all African Americans buy into the crap spewing from Hillary or Obama's ass. Some of us are keenly aware of what poison is in that shit!

McCain/Condi or Romney/Condi in 2008!!! ANYBODY but Hillary or Obama!!!

He has more experience as an elected official, actually holding a public office, than Hillary does. Quite a bit more.

So if experience is a major criteria, then you'd have to mark that one AGAINST Hillary.

Being the President's wife is not "experience".

Forgive me while I go and puke out that sort of silly notion!

If I were a liberal, I would vote for Obama over Hillary.

know what i mean? ;P

having said that, On Stephanaouploulous' Sunday show (i have know idea how his name is spelled so as with any Greek name, when in doubt, throw in another 'ou') he grilled her 3 times in a row about what the penalties would be for someone who refused to sign up on her mandated and required universal healthcare. Each time she skirted and said, 'this isn't about enforcement, its about providing healthcare to every American.' Stephanapizinski (in case he's Polish) repeatedly asked, "how would you penalize those who fail to comply? would you GARNER (thanks!) wages?" Hilary then said, "George thats not what the plan is about. Probably we'd use the tax code or something along those lines, but the point is that every American should have healthcare."

so Hilary's big plan to provide us all with federally mandated, REQUIRED healthcare, is to add its cost as an additional fee to our taxes, and the only way you would be able to NOT be part of the healthcare plan would be to not pay your taxes. Effectively, if you didn't care for the Fed's "Required Healthcare Plan" you would go to prison for tax evasion.

That is the very definition of 'Orwellian.'

While my mistake was simply one of grammar, you are still a brainwashed liberal asshole.

McCain/Condi in 2008!

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'Nuff said!

R.I.P.

....ahha..hahah...HAHAHA...HAA AAAHAHAHA! God, please, oh god... stop it... hahahaha...

Oh wait, you're not kidding? Hoo boy. My apologies. *ahem* Anti-business? You know, seems like we could use a little of that right now. Business has been given an ugly pass to the point of absurdity for the last eight years.

Inflation, recession, out of control anti-privacy, etc. Conservatism is a laughing stock at this point. The current government has dipped its slimy hand into everyone's lives in the worst possible ways instead of even trying to be remotely helpful.

I still am floored that Conservatives use that anti-government rhetoric when they are the most invasive government in my lifetime in regards to privacy and the rights of the individuals. Now, if you're a big corporation you gotta love the current guys when it comes to being immune to criminal behavior. Of course, you have to weigh that out with the fact that the economy is running on fumes.

LAMA/GERE 08

Bama's gonna stuff his anaconda up Hill-dog's nasty, fat ass!

much like the radical christians that bomb

how about the atrocities committed in the name of the christian religion by radical followers? suppose those are ok?

if ignorance is bliss, you must piss ecstacy and shit rainbows...

Granted, two of the exceptions are recent; I feel, however, that barring an exceptional event this matter will hold to form. Therefore, I ask the question I asked in 1996: Should Liberals vote for Dole?

The reason I asked that question was because Clinton had already demonstrated he was a lot more moderate than most expected. Despite this, the Republicans had gained Congress in 1994. Between a moderate President and a Republican Congress, the Liberal Agenda was DOA in America. Would a situation where a sitting Republican caused the Democrats to regain Congress in 1998 be a worthwhile reason to back Dole?

Now, there are two caveats: one, there's usually a coattail effect with the Presidential Race, but considering it's been pretty close since 1988 (or skewed via Perot), I don't think the winning candidate will pick up that many seats for his party; the Dems picked up big in 2006 (as expected), so there's not much room for them to grow in 2008, and there hasn't been enough time for there to be a Republican groundswell that'll give them control back this year (even with a Republican victory). The other caveat, is, of course, you can't predict the numbers, just the overall effect. Is it worth an Obama or Hilary just to gain a few seats (but not the Congress) in 2010?

Of course, other people will have issue with this, thinking that the President is more powerful than Congress. HE'S NOT. Granted, when it comes to waging war in Foreign Countries he has a little more authority, but for the large bulk of the domestic agenda it's Congress that sets the path, pays the bill, and inevitably screws over the population.

So the question I ask is: should Conservatives vote for Obama in 2008?

Sounds like someone needs to be re-neducated!

And this coming from a conservative too. Sad what the Republican party has turned in to. Time to fuckin clean house!!

Smaller government, more delegation to the states, equal opportunity for all, strong defense, secure border, balanced budget, personal responsibility, simple tax code, less government intrusion in private lives, and a government that respects the fuckin constitution. Used to be a lot of what the Republican part stood for. Sure they talk about some of that ... but none of them really believe in it anymore.

3rd party FTW!!!!!

It was crap and dull to begin with, and it didn't get better on second viewing.

Anyway, I can't believe the crazy shit that has been posted on this thread especially from that chrrissmm guy who is (alledgedly) a low income Black Neo con.eh yeah, sure he's Black, like I'm Mike Huckabee. XD

Of course, Obama easily wins if he does indeed literally destroy him in a televised debate, but then again, with all those witnesses, how does Obama avoid jail time?

Look at Obama, that guy can actually galvanize a nation and pull in Independants and Republicans, what will Hillary do? She will have every Republican drooling at the aspect to bring up all those tired old Clinton year scandal issues, and it will be dirty politics and that type of vote where you have a "lesser of two evils" and this all just pisses me off. McCain vs. Clinton? Gawd that sounds awful, I will sit that one out.

and no this isn't a 'lesser of two evils' situation. Its a 'two piles of human excrement' situation and having the choice to eat from Pile A or Pile B, I simply choose to walk away from the table.

What a pussy you are! Man up, take up the charge, is there a chance you will lose and get hurt again, yup! Would it be painful to get so close, only to loose to some old white fart who says "we will be in Iraq for the next 100 years!" oh yes it would. But consider the alternative, consider the possibility of Obama actually winning, what a radical change that would make for the country, for the world! The rest of the world would really be surprised by our choice, they may respect us again, we would respect us again. So stop your belly aching and grumbling, take a stand, try this just once and lets see what we can do.

based on your logic, everytime someone bombs a clinic, kills an abortion doctor, PROTESTS AMERICAN SOLDIERS FUNERALS (ever hear of the Westboro Baptist Church or 'God Hates Fags Church' ? they are a baptist church by the way), evertime a priest molests a child. EVERYTIME THAT SOME FANATICAL RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN DOES SOMETHING IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE HEADLINE SHOULD READ "CHRISTIAN MOLESTS CHILD" OR "CHRISTIANS BOMB CLINIC". that is ok by you?

you are basically taking the actions of a few radical minorities of a particular religion and generalizing it.

you do realize Muslim is the largest religion in the world?

Look, politically, and on most issues, you won't see a big difference between Hillary and Obama, so Hillary touts her "experience" But I read that and see "experience" as "my lobbyist friends will pay me lots of money to do favors for them". I call shenanigans on that, take a look at this article, I think it is pretty good read http://www.barackobama.com/pdf /ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

and obama doesn't need hillary as vp to win. obama/edwards is more likely.

So Obama can learn something from that. If he sees himself as truly a public servant, then the VP slot is nearly as good as the top spot. Given the state of the nation and the support he has so far garnered, he will be very powerful in the role.

Now compare Obama and McCain and you see radical differences, just in terms of Obama's youth and passion, jeez can McCain even survive 4 years in office? I think Obama makes a much more compelling choice for independants and undecideds, than another term with the Clinton's, something that seems familiar and a bit worn out.

"....your impending rude awakening....... by redhankyspanky Feb 6th, 2008 08:43:13 AM Obamas economic advisor is skull and bones. These folks never stray far from the top. Obama himself is a member of the CFR (a non-governmental, non-elected group, accountable to no nation) whose sole purpose is to bring about world government (i.e. that means no sovereign America). Did you really expect any "change"? If so, you are in for a rude awakening. Youre gonna get all the "change" you can handle (and then some). Hillary is a Bilderberger, so were fucked either way. Look this up for yourself. Then have a nice day."

Now people will think that the only way that McCain is winning is not because Republicans are rallying around him, but because Romney and Huckabee are splitting that arch-conservative vote. Thats the conventional wisdom. BUT if you look more closely at the numbers, that doesn't stack up. The majority of Huckabee voters second choice in Florida was McCain. In states with military bases, which there are a lot, that seems to be the case.

I think what were seeing is people rejecting pundit opinions of any particular candidate. Listen, I'm all for opinion, but lets have it take the form of civil debate. I think my ideas are correct, and if they are correct then they will stand up in said debate.

These pundits seem to think that they need to shrink the party into just accepting people and candidates with the same mono track minds. I say bring back the big tent party. Theres room for a Liberal Republican and a Blue Dog Dem. Bring back the big tent. Theres room for Marc Cherry and Lincoln Chaffey in my party. Pundits be damned.

"Well I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Obama ticket..." sounds so freaking smug and condescending. It 's like I'm being told that I'm cute and excitable and oh so impetuous... But one day, when I'm a big boy, (and I've learned accepting the consistent, hefty bribes of lobbyists is what really matters in politics)

I agree with that sentiment, and it is what bugs me about Clinton's campaigners. But I didn't start the "cute" comment. Just to clarify.

Frankly I am shocked that good old Teddy Kennedy jumped aboard the Obama train, but it was important that he did, he needed to provide air cover for those Dems too scarred to go against Clinton. I don't know who said it, but I think it is true, if you go against the Red Queen, you better make sure she is dead when you are done, otherwise you may find your head up on a block once she gets back her throne. It wouldn't surprise me if Hillary and Bill are using those types of threats to pull in their favors, yikes!

In my opinion, I think Obama is the candidate that can bring down that Repub ticket. Hillary vs. McCain just looks like two old school politicians, and I see a lot of the middle ground staying home and not voting, and that ultimately hurts Clinton. Obama will energize the voting base and bring a lot of numbers to the polls, that is what he brings, and why he is important. Plus, even though many of their policies are similar, I frankly trust Obama a lot more than I trust Hillary. Her record with Bill in terms of campaign finance, and relationships with a lot of shady characters never sat well with me. Is she for the little guy or not? Is she fighting for universal health care, or taking money from big pharma companies, what is the deal there.

Yeah.

Fuck you.

But please feel free to tell all of us how participating in the very process America was founded on means nothing.

Further you point out that one, note that ONE, of Obama's foreign policy advisors is Robert Malley, whose father was Syrian and had some ties to Araffat. That is a far cry from "creating Al Qaeda." The fact is, in politics, everyone has a record, everyone has networked and connected with groups and politicians that have connections with other groups and politicians who have shady pasts and agendas. But to try and assert that somehow this taints Obama as some Global Unifying Anti-Christ or Anti-Zionist Cult leader is just insanity redhanky.

You draw such loose connections, and then fill in the blanks with conjecture and conspiracies, that is what makes you a tin foil hat wearer. You can make those same compelling arguments for nearly every leader we have had, yet the more you peel back these conspiracies, you find they are full of holes and subjective conclusions. Why wouldn't the national news be carrying such stories? Is it because they love Obama and are conspiring to get him elected? Well they have no problem telling the story of Rezko and his shady dealings. No the reality is, the ideas and theories you are promoting are so far fetched and so impossibly wild, that no legitimate news agency would publish this because it reeks of paranoia and irrationality.

Yes, some Libs don't see the danger in radical Islam, whereas I certainly do. I think they're keenly more aware / knowledgable of their own (country's) foibles than those of others, which - whether true or not - is limited thinking.

I don't view Iran as the demonic threat that the NeoCons would have us believe (in part because I know their desire to confront Iran has more to do with protecting Israel than safeguarding ourselves), but I do know that radical elements in that society are not going to do us - or them - any favors by taking hardline positions.

Now take Turkey for instance. The vast majority of Turks are moderate Muslims who want to maintain a secular state. But the government is slowly trying to introduce Islamist values on the socio-political system. And people are fighting back; they are protesting. They DO NOT want religion being the mandate on how to live their lives, and surely they see the potential danger given examples of the Taliban in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

So to my Progressive brothers and sisters I say, yes, America has problems. But the rest of the world is far from innocent. We have tortured and we need to make amends and correct that, but beheading and slaughtering innocent people is exponentially more evil. Although some don't believe we are great examples to the world, it is inevitable that the world sees us as such. And with that responsibility, let's lead by example. And let's not be afraid of looking at the faults of others (and yes, radical Islam is a severe fault) and help them.

I'm not advocating the continued occupation of Iraq, but I do see it important that that country does not fall to Al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations. And to do that (and the military agrees), we need smart diplomacy and strategic partnerships.

Telling us all how well you "researched" this is worth nothing if you don't back it up with proof. The burden is on your shoulders to explain your claims and provide evidence, we all await your backed up claims with bated breath. But my guess is we will most likely get conspiracy fueled rants and insult laden posts instead, ah well.