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Moriarty Picks His 24 Favorite Films Of 2007! PART TWO! The Main Event! Two Films Under $1 Million! Blood And Bad Decisions!

Great List Mori by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:55:57 AM
I'm suprised and happy to see Once so high on your list. It's such a beautiful movie. Also with Into the Wild a film that got snubbed by the academy when it is the best Penn film yet.
Why include Chris Farley? by Logo Lou	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:00:59 AM
Never got it. He had some amusing moments on SNL, but every movie he did was painfully awful, yes former frat douches, even Tommy Boy. Ugh...
Nordlings ET story by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:02:31 AM
damn if that didn't almost bring a tear to my eye
Logo Lou... by TheRealMoriarty	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:06:19 AM
... because I think Chris had untapped potential. I think the only think anyone ever let him do was "fatty fall down" humor, but I think Chris had more to offer, and if he'd just lasted a few more years, I think we would have seen filmmakers figure him out and start using him the right way.
Thanks Mori! by theBigE	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:10:27 AM
As a member of the Lost talkback, we appreciate the kind words!
10 paragraphs on how you don't suck Apatow's dick by Internet Thug	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:16:43 AM
and oh yeah i liked knocked up and superbad..fuck that's some truly shitty writing right there.
And I've seen only 1 of your top 10 by theBigE	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:17:07 AM
I need to get out more. Of course, Mori doesn't have 4 kids - yet. I need a better babysitter.
MONEY GOES... by ninjatracksuit	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:20:01 AM
To the Mexicans (in NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN)...Pretty sure this happens at the hotel where Moss is waiting for his wife. Possibly even see one of them holding it as they make their getaway in the suv(while Tommy Lee drives up)...Almost 100% sure, can anyone back me up on this?
What about... by Randall Flagg	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:21:41 AM
...the 20 hours you want back? Is that still on its way? (or am I a moron and it is here and I just missed it?)
OH YEAH... by ninjatracksuit	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:31:21 AM
I was wondering the same thing - where are the worst of the year, MORI? Also...And I know I'm going to get shite for this, but...I feel NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN is possibly a more sincere film than THERE WILL BE BLOOD. One tries visibly hard to be an epic, while the other - beyond being a moving painting - becomes one of the most epic indictments of man's eventual self-destructive/violent nature. Something along the lines of 'the smarter we get the more inventive our cruelties.' Not that they aren't both great. Just saying.
A mighty fine list. by rbatty024	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:32:51 AM
I've always thought of Zodiac as the film Fincher has been promising to make but didn't get around to until now. In fact the only other Fincher film I can full heartedly say I liked without reservations was Seven. Everything else is marred for me for one reason or another and beyond his incredible style I think they're mostly mediocre films. I'm also pleased to see This Is England up there. I haven't seen anything else by Shane Meadows but now I will have to track down his stuff. It actually reminded me of hanging out in high school at some real shady houses where some real fuck ups would wonder in an out. I remember one time a friend of mind had a gun pulled on him in the most casual manner. Weird shit. Anyway, I loved how pitch perfect Combo is. The two scenes where he tells a racist story just to insult the group's Jamaican friend and then the next day turns around and accuses the group of not helping their friend is exactly how these leaders break people down so they'll fall in line. His "I'm not a racist" rhetoric is also pitch perfect. He goes on about how he's not a racist and then says immigrants (even legal ones) are taking jobs away is exactly the kind of language I've heard from bigots a million times over but for some reason this is the first time I've heard that shit in a movie. Plus, great fucking soundtrack, which seems to go hand in hand with British films for some reason.
Celebrity gossip & this site by superfleish76	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:35:30 AM
Thank you for that paragraph in the Jesse James review. It perfectly puts into words all the things I feel about the subject. Nothing pisses me off more than when I am having a discussion about a movie, and someone brings up paparazzi crap. I don't care about the personal lives of celebrities. I care about the product they produce, and sometimes their thoughts on the product. I like this site because it focuses on the product, not the people and you all genuinely really want to like everything. Obviously, you don't like it all, but your disappointment is that much more real when something doesn't work. Reading the talkbacks sometimes, I wonder if some people really like anything. I don't agree with everything on your list, but I thank you for putting it out there and giving me different perspectives on these films.
The perfect line by Shawn F.	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:42:13 AM
I'm Finished. I remember sitting at a press screening for There Will Be Blood and my jaw hit the floor when that scene/line came up. Brilliant. And Mori, good call on Once. It was second on my list behind The Diving Bell and the Butterfly for 2007, but damn if I didn't have a hell of a time trying to figure out which was deserving of the top spot.
AND THE SKINHEADS... by ninjatracksuit	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:42:42 AM
I think there needs to be some distinction made between the two types of skinheads in THIS IS ENGLAND - from the above it makes it sound like they're all bigots. There were/are two types - one group were the 'hard guys' trying to be different, and appear tough and part of a group...usually juveniles...But they weren't racist at all - it was more of a fashion statement than anything else...Then there were the racial bigots that courted some of these outcast young men into hate-mongers. But the main character in THIS IS ENGLAND doesn't start out as part of the second group, he starts out wanting to stand apart (ha, but be part of the group), like some of the other boys - who are skinheads, but have no problems with other ethnicities. Anyways, f'ing great movie, top 5 of the year for sure. Sorry to ramble.
Moriarty, you are... by LordPorkington	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:51:57 AM
... a scholar and a gentleman. I salute you sir. By the way, will you be doing a '25 Years Ago' theme every year from now on? It would be great to skim through the 80's for movies from Return Of The Jedi in '83, right up to Batman in '89, and all the brilliance in between. And one last thing, I'll definitely be checking out 'Once' based on your review and will watch it with my bride-to-be after we get married in April. I just hope you didn't sell me a doozy on this one! All the best for 2008...
Just saw King of Kong on wednesday by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 08:58:41 AM
I started watching it while my wife was n the computer. Now, she could give 2 shits about videogames, but 1/4 into the movie she was on the couch with me cheering on Steve and cursing Billy right along with me. So I think that says something about the film itself. I never thought I would see a movie filled with so many douchebags all in one room at the same time. These guys just plotting against Steve and his one chance to make something of a name for himself. spoiler after the film I had to go check to see if his score was still in place, but it wasn't Billy was again the top score. That made me pissed. But then I remembered something Steve's wife said through tears, that Steve is just a good man. And that is more important than any stupid top score. He's a man who loves his family and just in general seems like a good person. Yes he deserves the top spot and he didn't deserve the bullshit he got about his tape, but at the same time he will always be better than people like Billy Mitchell. Billy, who will be riding that stupid donkey kong score for the rest of his life will probably never understand why he isn't a good person or why video games mean nothing in the scheme of life. But Steve does, and that's all that matters
Your list of movies you haven't seen by Funketeer	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:10:31 AM
Might as well be called a list of movies I'll never see.
Moriarty Has Chosen the Exclamation Point..And Here's why by Internet Thug	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:11:10 AM
It adds emphasis!!! Here's my original review!!!!!!! Dude seriously hook me up with your mailing address so I can send you a copy ot Strunk and White. TIA
Excellent work by Nordling	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:12:38 AM
That ONCE write-up was perfect. Thanks.
No Country: re: the ending by Shigeru	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:16:29 AM
"...and also keeps it from completely connecting for many people, and that is both a shame and a statement on moviegoers in general these days." Um SO WHAT? What does that have to do with your enjoyment of it??? I dun get it.
What I mean.. by Shigeru	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:20:45 AM
If the average moviegoing idiot didn't get it, but YOU did, why does that dampen it for you?
Let Me Get This Straight by Internet Thug	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:29:51 AM
you were on vacation with the wife and you watched the same movie 3 times? Woah somebody stop the excitement.
Great List Moriarty but..... by TheGalgano	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:34:17 AM
This is the second year in a row you promised a list of the worst movies you have seen in that particular year (I think your last post promised "the 20 hours I Want Back"). I appreciate the work you put into these lists but there is no need to tease about an upcoming article and then not deliver. If it is too much then just don't commit yourself.
Moriarty, re: Billy Mitchell by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:38:40 AM
That's really harsh calling the guy a "cumwad". Did you watch any of the extras on the DVD? He didn't really get a fair shake in the film at all. There's a few clips of him in the extras being "normal" and it makes it blatantly obvious that the filmmakers only used the clips of him saying/doing outrageous "dick-ish" things. Sure, it makes the story better, but he's not really that bad of a guy. That record was all he had to hold onto. And he's not exactly a kid anymore. How would you respond if someone, a stranger out of nowhere, tried to take your legacy away from you?
"That record was all he had to hold onto." by Nordling	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:41:21 AM
He's a millionaire with a big-breasted trophy wife. "Taking a legacy away?" Records are made to be broken. Gimme a break. His legacy is that he made a bigger, hotter chicken wing sauce.
not to mention by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:41:29 AM
Billy Mitchell is a videogame nerd so he's socially awkward by default. Excellent movie by the way, although incredibly one-sided.
King of Kong by Greenleaf1	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:42:10 AM
was good enough to break my rule of not buying documentaries. Usually after I see a doco once I figure that's enough. I have the information, and that's good enough. King of Kong wasn't even my favorite doco of the year (that goes to Protagonist), but it was enjoyable enough and had a good enough story to merit watching it again (which I have), but I'll definitely be picking it up on DVD. I'm also disappointed that you didn't see "The Wind that Shakes the Barley." Such a fantastic movie, you should still check it out at some point.
why the hell explain apatow? by Basehead	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:42:30 AM
seriously dude, you get one email saying you maybe biased or whatever and you devote all this space to it? fuck the guy who said it and show a little backbone!
Nordling by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:44:28 AM
Since when is Billy Mitchell a millionaire? And even if he was, how does that change anything? Yes, I agree records were made to be broken. But from his POV it was his world. His "world" was crashing down around him and he fought back. That doesn't make him a "cumwad" like Moriarty said. It makes him a dog backed into a corner. A nerdy, goofy dog.
Knocked up by Series7	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:45:10 AM
I know I am not say the target audience for that movie. It reminded me of some story a 30 something would tell a younger co-worker at work just to sound cool. And the younger worker is just like, wow thats cool. Where its probably a lot funnier to the person it happen to then the person hearing the story. I mean the shrooms seen watching Cirque du Soleil, was unbearably lame. Seeing people "pretending" to be tripping, is worse then hearing about someone else getting high. Superbad though funny as balls.
SUPERBAD and KNOCKED UP... by Vamp-AICNchat	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:46:40 AM
...were by far the two most overrated films of 2007 in my opinion. They are good films, but not great. No way are they better than EASTERN PRMOSISES and 300... in my opinion. Great piece though, Mori.
BTW... by Vamp-AICNchat	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:48:18 AM
...The 1982 series about the greatest year for films ever, was the best article AICN produced last year. I wish there were more things like that.
The ending of "No Country" gets a lot of print but by SID 8.0	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:48:36 AM
The beginning is just as good. The voice over by Tommy Lee Jones should be listened to by anyone thinking about becoming a cop. I wish I had read the book years ago. It sums up the life you are about to enter when you raise your right hand and take the oath to protect and serve.
and as far as Apatow by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:49:36 AM
Why does he insist on ruining his films with a horrible last 45 minutes? Superbad and Knocked Up both dragged on entirely too long.
much by Maximus Prime	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:49:59 AM
appreciated kind word form one of the lost talkback regulars...talkback works when you get people who love a topic and are willing to invest in some time to discuss it and not the minority of idiots who try to spoil it and be dicks about everything..so thank you for allowing us to use the bandwidth and bring it to the 10,000 and more importantly letting us bring it to the start of season 4 I cant wait to see There will be blood...it gets released here in a few weeks and if its half the film of No Country im in for a treat...
THIS IS ENGLAND by Vamp-AICNchat	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:50:42 AM
I'm glad you recognised this one, Mori. Probably the best British film of 2007.
No HOT FUZZ? by Razorback	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:52:03 AM
Your list sucks.
One last thing... by Vamp-AICNchat	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:54:09 AM
...THIS IS ENGLAND director Shane Meadows next film is called KING OF GYPSIES which is about a bare-knuckle figher called Bartley Gorman V who became famous in the 1960's and died in 2002. Sounds good, eh?
Also by Series7	Feb 2nd, 2008 09:58:18 AM
thank you for not putting Juno in your top 20. For that you are the man. I am ok with people liking that film, but saying its one of the 20 best films, just means that you only saw 19 films this year.
Mc-909 by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:05:03 AM
I gotta disagree with you on the Billy Mitchell stuff man. Look at all his little cronies and the way he just shortsided Steve by claiming his videotape wasn't valid. Steve was just a regular guy who never got noticed for anything as the movie showed. Yet Billy Mitchell was flaunting around like he was the fuckin' cock of the walk. I mean the scene when he finally made an appearance during Steve's attempt at gamespot. Steve said hi to him, billy said nothing but "there's some people I don't want to spend much time with" and he said that to his wife right in front of Steve. The guy is a prick. No question about it
That song in King of Kong by Series7	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:07:27 AM
Its in the movie and on the dvd menu screens, that is by far the best score for this year. Was it made for the movie, or an old song like Pac Man Fever?
As for the RATATOUILLE hair puppetry thing by palimpsest	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:09:23 AM
My five year old sits on my shoulders and likes to puppet-control me round the house, because of that movie. You and your son will be doing the same soon...
Series by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:10:13 AM
I think it is an original, at least I haven't heard it before
i didn't really like Superbad by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:13:13 AM
probably one of the few on here who didn't. I did make me laugh out loud a couple of times, and yet it just wasn't as funny as it could have been. A lot of people are going to put it as one of their favorite comedies of all time, I just can't count myself as one of those people. I don't know if it's because I was so hyped to see it because the trailers looked hilarious or if the movie just didn't do it for me. You can tell that they had a great time making it, which is awesome, but I just don't get the extreme love for it.
Good List, but... by Stormshadow4life	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:15:25 AM
I agree 100% with you on Once and Ratatouille. I will be watching King of Kong today in fact, and have to wait for DVD to see Jesse James and Into The Wild. Your #1 movie, I saw it 2 weeks ago, and just felt incredibly bummed out that i didn't get out of it what you (and so many others) did. It was good, some of it was great...but it left me cold. Oh well, I guess nothing works for everyone.
I guess there's no accounting for taste by johnnyangel	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:18:57 AM
But ranking No Country For Old Men at 7th is just ignorant. Should be number one.
Nice, strong list. by LoneGun	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:20:28 AM
And talk about thorough! (Holy mackerel.) Some flicks in there I haven't even heard of but will watch out for. I love that Mori's included links to his original reviews. Awesome work.
Kloipy by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:20:43 AM
That scene where he shunned Weibe was what I was talking about when I said he was socially awkward. Face it, geeks don't know how to handle confrontation (or social interaction for that matter). Why do you think we spend so much time on the internet? Of course I was rooting for Weibe, but at the same time I could see Billy Mitchell's side. Same reason I didn't consider Plainview a "villain" in TWBB.
Moriarity, Are you ten years old? by johnnyangel	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:23:20 AM
A cartoon, some really juvenile comedies and no Atonement? Good Lord, I feel so old.
NCFOM - the money..... by wildphantom07	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:23:50 AM
SPOILERS......... didn't the Mexicans get it? Not made clear but that was the way I saw it?
That wasn't socially awkward. by Nordling	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:24:21 AM
It was a deliberate snub. Anyone could see it.
Nordling by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:25:56 AM
True. But a deliberate snub from a socially awkward individual.
john woo by conbarba	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:28:10 AM
did anyone said anything about the new john woo trailer? is up on flicker. quite spectacular
So that excuses him from being an asshole? by Nordling	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:30:42 AM
Sorry, but no. I've been around geeks and they're some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Not to say I don't recognize some of the behavior in the film, especially the weirdness of Kuh, but Mitchell has to have some social skills or he never would have been able to operate a successful business. It was douchebaggery, pure and simple.
i don't think he was socially awkward though by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:31:34 AM
because he seemed to love being in the spotlight. He just acted like he was too superior for anyone else. I mean it seemed like, and I don't know if I just heard this wrong, that he compared himself to God? I know that sometimes in documentaries that they can make something one-sided. But just the reading I get off the guy is that he thinks he is hot shit and that he just looked down on Steve because he didn't want to lose. I don't know the guy just rubbed me the wrong way(hahaha lets get the laugh out now :^) just some of the stunts he pulled were bullshit
Billy Mitchell is not in any way socially awkward by Internet Thug	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:32:06 AM
The man built a business through SALESMANSHIP..one of the most socially demanding careers that exists..he handcrafted the image of Billy Mitchell as a winner a champion he's a slick motherfucker and everyone that knows him talks about how smooth and charasmatic he is..he is a complete snake oil salesman with his perfect dan fogleberg coif and his tucked in shirts and ties..he runs charity events and has a following of nerdling minions to do his bidding..he is a douchebags douchebag but is the farthest thing from socially awkward there is. in addition he totally jiggered his donkey kong record tape.."Why does the score keep jumping around"
i think the funniest scene in "kong' by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:34:34 AM
was when he asked the filmakers if they know which innitials he uses for his high score and alluded that it was easy to see and then pulled on his tie, and the filmaker says "T I E?" and he's like "No, the one I had on yesterday USA." hahaha, I was rolling
yes by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:37:20 AM
it was douchebaggery. What I'm saying is that is the only way he knew how to react. He was an asshole because he didn't know how to handle his record being challenged. His score stood for 20+ years and no one even came close to beating it. Like I said, his "world" was coming down around him and he fought back in a way that no one has ever had to fight back before, would fight back. On a side note, you have to admit it was pretty cunning of him to have a million point score on tape but not tell anyone about it. No one came close to his 800,000 so he didn't let it be known he had already broken a million. He was just waiting for someone to beat his score by a little bit...then he brings out his "big gun secret weapon" so to speak. Tactic-wise, that's pretty genius.
Assassination of Jesse James by kwisatzhaderach	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:43:24 AM
was actually shot a couple of years back. So technically Deakins didn't shoot both this and No Country in the same year. I know. I'm a pedant.
Mc by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:43:32 AM
i don't think it was genius I think it was an extremly asshole move on his part. I mean Steve shouldn't have had to go to gamespot to prove it in front of other people because he had already beat the score on tape, but Billy made up the rule that it wasn't valid if it was just on tape. and then he turns around and on the day that should have been a good accomplishment for Steve, Billy makes sure to just take a metaphoric shit on him by pulling that shit on him. That part really pissed me off, because it is so fucking unfair of him to do that shit to steve.
SWEENEY TODD was better than all these movies.... by JackIsLost	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:43:41 AM
Though RATATOUILLE is a close second.
and by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:44:31 AM
it showed that one guy who had rooms full of tapes of people who had high scores on videotape that they used as valid winning, and it was only unacceptable when Steve sent his in? That's just some dick move to do to someone
Kloipy by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:44:44 AM
Don't get me wrong. I hated Mitchell at first. In fact, when my girlfriend and I were talking about the film, I had this image in my head of Mitchell being beat down in an alley somewhere, trying to crawl away before some thugs broke his hands. But there's a few scenes in the extras that show his "normal" side. Internet Thug: he was playing a character. I agree. But when Weibe comes along and challenges everything Mitchell believes to be true (he was the videogame god, hot shit, etc.) all he did was fight back the only way he knew how. Spolied? Yes. Arrogant? Yes. But he wasn't gonna take it sitting down. Either way, what a great fucking film. And BTW Kloipy, the only scene I thought surpassed the "TIE" scene was the one at the end, when Sanders was talking his respect of Weibe and Mitchell was looking at him like, "you motherfucker".
He knew exactly how to deal with his record being broken by Internet Thug	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:47:15 AM
As he said he has a plan..Billy Mitchell always has a plan.
Weibe by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:49:25 AM
Did get shit on. But to Mitchell and company he was just "some guy". They didn't know his life story or anything. If there's anything I've learned from "The Wire" and TWBB it's that if you want to stay on top, you have to be willing to do whatever it takes. Sure, good sportsmanship is a quality trait, but not everyone has it. ESPECIALLY old-school videogame geeks.
MC, yeah that part was amazing by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:50:07 AM
see it's stuff like that that makes me just despise that guy. I mean even Sanders could see the good in Steve, but Mitchell just felt the need to be an asshole about it. But I'll have to watch the extra's. I'll give it a chance but I can't say I will feel much different about the guy. I mean his hair just screams "asshole" hahaa
the extras by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 10:55:08 AM
To tell you the truth, the extras kinda ruin the movie in the sense that Weibe didn't stay on top for long. They also humanize Mitchell...which is why I see him the way I do.
That's too bad, because LOST sucks! by ebonic_plague	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:02:57 AM
Kidding. Well not really, chemical hatred and all that, but that was a good article Mori. Cheers.
NCFOM - THE MONEY *MAJOR SPOILERS* by Greenleaf1	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:03:51 AM
****SPOILERS DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN** The money was found by Chigurh, which is shown in two ways: 1) A coin is found by Bell in the hotel room where Moss is killed, Chigurh used this to find the money inside the vent. 2) After the car crash, Chigurh gives the kid a hundred dollar bill for his shirt. I agree in real life both of these would be circumstantial, but this is the way the movie shows that Chigurh got the money. END SPOILERS**
Chevy Chase was ALWAYS an asshole by Tacom	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:12:30 AM
It's just that when he still had the talent and was a big draw from the mid 70s to the mid 80s the people he with for tolerated it. When he stopped being funny everbody realized what a douche he was!
excellent, excellent stuff by birdy birdman	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:14:34 AM
i particularily loved the meadows commentary, he's a british martin scorcese and so much more
THIS IS ENGLAND! by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:21:28 AM
Fuck. What a movie. And Stephen Graham blew me away.
STEPHEN GRAHAM>JAVIER BARDEM by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:22:53 AM
Javier's was an 'acting' actor role. But Stephen Graham became the character. Amazing. up there with the best of Bale and Day-Lewis.
Why is Knocked up Funny or even good by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:24:16 AM
People said it was hilarious but I chuckled twice, i was expecting naked gun pain-esque laughs, there was just nothing special about it. just seems the people who loved it are really boring people. Superbad was funny though.
GREAT post (Blade Runner) by scratcher	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:25:17 AM
Thanks for the trip down memory lane, and one of the reasons I usually trust your opinions is because your experiences have been similar to mine. I remember returning from my first viewing of Blade Runner filled with shock and awe, and then my aunt's sole comment was "it was always raining." Anyone who wasn't blown away by that film in 1982 isn't living in the same world I am. I'll never understand them, and vice versa. (now just don't throw any of this revisionist Deckard=replicant shit at me)
Why is No Country good? by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:28:43 AM
I understand the filmmaking in There will be blood but what was so special about No Country. it's just another film. A well made film but nothing that couldn't have been filmed 10-20 years ago and that hasn't been done before. It ain't no Children of Fucking Men. Can you honestly tell me you can put it in your dvd's and watch it again and again and again like you would Back to the future. Film geeks need to remember it's about entertainment. I think it's a great movie but compared to 2006 with Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth. No way. just the hype is ridiculous. I watched No Country 3 times and it started grating on me and I realized I could not watch this multiple times and enjoy it like my other fav movies. This film snobbery needs to end. Rather put on my Star Wars dvd or watch the fight scenes in 300. I mean isn't that why we 'love' movies, to pass the time and enjoy something in that time when you boil it down to a cosmic sense. BRING ON THE FIFTH WORLD!
Mori, any chance we get to see you WORST list? by Lyghthouse	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:28:50 AM
I love reading about the best movies of the year, but some of my favorite reviews are of movies people hated. They are quite entertaining. Also never got to see your review of Southland Tales.
Ratatouille/Paprika/Tekkonkinkre et/Persepolis by scratcher	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:29:52 AM
No mention of Paprika among the top animated films? What a great great year for animated features! I remember a time when the thought of an animated feature that adults could enjoy was a pipe dream, and a candidate would come around every few years at best (Wizards? Heavy Metal? echh) We are living in the golden age of animation. Appreciate how lucky we are, because there's always a chance it won't last. And watch Paprika.
The Source is killing The New Gods by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:30:15 AM
Holy Crap. Alexander Luthor, Superboy Prime, Conner Kent, Rip Hunter and Booster Gold the most important beings in DC History. That's amazing.
Great list! by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:32:55 AM
The only complaint I have, and it's not really a complaint or even a valid one since this is YOUR list so screw me...anyways i really thought The Mist would be higher on your list. It made the top twenty in an absurdly good year for movies, but that's just me being a Mist-Fanboy
Mori - You need to learn about skinheads by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:34:25 AM
Your review doesn't sound 'educated'. Skinhead culture started with Reggae Music and Mod Culture, they even mention it in the film. it's a lifestyle. Then later the National Front took influence and half became fascist. The rest it's just fashion, music and being like a brotherhood. But yeah most skinheads have conservative beliefs. But why do you think that the other skinheads didn't agree with Combo, because they aren't fascists. They are like the original skinheads who grew out of Mod Culture.
I'm bit surprised that... by zed261	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:34:26 AM
...No Country For Old Men is nr.7, though I can respect that but your reason of doing so I can not. How can someones opinion influence your list? It doesn't matter if somebody doesn't like the end. It's your list. /...Otherwise great article, Im looking forward to see This Is England and TWBB and that comedy I'd never heard about.
Shane Meadows = New Scorsese by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:35:39 AM
I've been saying it for a while but this guy is amazing. Him and Paddy Considine are the New Scorse and Deniro. So I guess Stephen Graham is the new Pesci. Either way they all fucking rule.
I mean i've been saying by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:36:13 AM
That Shane Meadows is the new Scorsese.
Mori Re:Gossip by Ted Brautigan	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:40:23 AM
In the outstanding Duma Key, when a celebrity dies King sums up the media reaction. "Jerking off on the corpse" Perfectly describes the gossip industry if you ask me.
Fargo & Talkbacks by AnimalStructure	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:41:04 AM
Fargo is a really good film. Thought it was just okay in the theater. Watched it on cable, bought it on DVD, find new things each time. Love the actor who plays Macy's father in law. So fucking perfect. And Buscemi and Stormare? Genius. I thought No Country was pretty good in the theater. I am sure I'll find more to like with each viewing. All good Coen films do that to you. Like Lebowski, or Barton Fink. As far as talkback goes, I still think you just don't get it. You're not allowed to think X-Men 3 was a good movie. Think about that. Yet I am accused of being a troll, or trying to stir shit up. All I have is a strong informed opinion, which is more than most people, and why it wrankles some of you so. Get over it.
I saw There Will Be Blood by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:48:32 AM
Wow..in the other talkback I was debating, well, not really, but close to the point of debating about PTA being the second-coming...I don't want to disagree with that, but remember we just gorged ourselves with the Coen Brothers and everyone else that decided to put on their badassfilmaking hats...but there will be blood, wow....I do see the Kubrickian style comparisons to the film, but what I'm really wondering is what happens after one reaches a filmaking level like Mr. Kubrick. Do you start to accept that everybody that is that good begins to have a kind of have a resemblance to each other at that high level of artistic/technical expertise? Kind of like saying there's a certain style and perfect way to make a movie.
to kind of have a* by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:50:46 AM

following through by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:58:18 AM
for There Will Be Blood PTA may just be partaking in the highest form of flattery, who isn't by the way... hmm makes me wonder if he's saying that he can do a movie as good as each one of the greats, or after he watches some of these classic movies, he gets giddy and like an enthusiastic little boy says "ooo Oooo I wanna do that TOO!", making it his project to do movies like each one of the Great's styles.
Worse than the comment about the End of No Country by Internet Thug	Feb 2nd, 2008 11:58:58 AM
is the reason why Zodiac isn't higher on the list.."because I don't think Fincher has made his best film yet" WTF?? What does that even mean?
with each one* by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:00:15 PM
Spell/grammar check and I aren't on the best of terms...we refuse to speak.
Once is the most overrated film ever by BeatsMe	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:01:55 PM
I couldn't make it through. Sentimental, precious baloney, with gooey music that makes Coldplay sound like the Ramones.
Ranking movies is hard man by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:03:40 PM
when a movie is good and well done...that's it... it's good.. It's hard to say which one is better especially when two different films set out to say different things with different stories....The only thing you can say is which story you prefer.
ONCE had some great songs by Garbageman33	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:04:37 PM
Separated by some really bad romance movie montages. Listening to the soundtrack (which I bought the next day) I forget how cliched the non-music stuff is. If they could somehow get the Before Sunrise/Sunset dialogue with that music, then, maybe it'd deserve to be number 2.
good list by newc0253	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:05:23 PM
dude, i hope you write fast because thems a lot of words. at any rate, your review of ONCE has made me put it on my Netflix queue. like you, i'm sick to death of everyone praising something that sounds really twee.
LOL at shaun meadows by john_philips	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:08:50 PM
hahahaha, shaun meadows the new scorsesse. this is england had some of the worst camera work and directing i saw this year. Meadows couldn't lick scorsese boots even if they were full of shit.
The desire for multiple viewings by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:11:16 PM
reveals to me which stories I prefer...Once made me cry. It's real, man. It's so real. Real characters and real life. No crazy melodrama for the sake of being dramatic, and it also isn't pseudonormal like most of these indie films. Great movie, authentic songwriting, how can one put down what another person authentically feels and writes especially when it is well written...
I think No Country by zed261	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:13:04 PM
lack a little bit of movieness comparing to Coens other work in favour of...how could I put it...of 'saying something'. Or maybe I was just so blown away by movieness of their other work (except Ladykillers) that I wasn't paying attention to what are they actually saying :) ...Anyway Old Men are fighting right now with The Devil on top of my top ten, though I haven't seen TWBB yet.
PLEASE can anyone tell me this about the MIST?! by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:14:09 PM
:::SEMI SPOILER ALERT::: Thomas-Jane( who paints movie posters) is painting a picture of the Gunslinger from Dark Tower in the beginning of the movie. Is King and Darabont insinuating something by that or just screwing with the fans? Has anything been negotiated for a picture deal for Dark Tower?
did i say Once made me cry? by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:15:57 PM
damn i'm a sissy..
Wait, Morri! What-the-fuck is a Talk Back? by georges garvaren	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:37:18 PM
Sounds pretty stupid to me. Now, about NCOM and the ending -it is prefect, even if the general audience might have missed it. For my eyes, the film felt real -the characters speech, clothes, decisions -all build a very realistic feeling film. When Bardem walks away for his crash, that's life! That's what happens in that situation with that kind of character -he walks away, ready as ever. If he dies? It's a cop-out built to sooth feeble-minded audiences who need The Bad to be punished. I've watched NCOM seven times now (!) and I have to say that any other year and it is leaps and bounds the greatest of the season -but, this season?- somehow Jesse James and No Blood were released in the same year and tie for number 1! Un-fucking-believable year for film. Very, very lucky kids we've been.
Drew "Because I get the Coen Bros." McWeeny by TheRealRatigan	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:41:13 PM
"You know why it’s this low on the list? The ending. But not because I didn’t like it. It’s here because the ending paradoxically makes the film better and also keeps it from completely connecting for many people..." Drew, it's okay to climb down off that high horse called Insecurity to admit that that the emperor has no clothes whatever when it comes to this would-be "brilliant" movie's ending.
Its possible that his top 3 might be dead on. by Sakurai	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:54:23 PM
wow.
john_philips by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:55:17 PM
Mean Streets Scorsese you dumb fuck. The Camera work was perfect for the film it was.
Messi by TheLastCleric	Feb 2nd, 2008 12:59:43 PM
To answer your question Messi, yes, NCFOM is a movie I can watch repeatedly the same way I can watch something like Back to the Future. I’ve seen the film three times in the theatre and I’m seriously considering a fourth showing before it hits DVD. It’s a brilliant film and it works on many different levels so I personally see myself watching it many, many more times over the course of the next several years.
Well, ok then. by Mostholy	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:00:31 PM
But I find hard to take seriously any Top 20 Best of 2007 list that doesn't include I'M NOT THERE.
Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford by Bean_	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:01:54 PM
Was an INCREDIBLE movie! Mori you're right, the movie is funny... but it's also haunting to watch Brad Pitt play a confused and depressed Jesse James who knows his end is near. Just an awesome, awesome movie... glad to see it on your list.
Your No Country review is exactly the problem with AICN by Phenom	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:04:35 PM
You qualify, qualify, qualify. Afraid to take a stand and let public opinion sway you even AFTER you've made up your mind about a film. No Country is a very polarizing film, you either like it or you don't. There is no middle ground.
Fucking brilliant by Magnum Opus	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:04:43 PM
summation of why Once is such an impacting experience. I was shocked by the emotions it stirred within me in the theater, and then blown away when that effect didn't diminish upon subsequent home viewing. Great write-up!
Well, it's your list Mori by TheLastCleric	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:08:53 PM
I really don’t grasp the logic of placing No Country at #7 because audiences might experience a disconnection with the ending. Considering how lazy people have become in terms of abstract thought, my personal response is fuck ‘em. They dropped 18 million dollars on Meet the Spartans last week so who gives a shit if the ending to one of the best film of 2007 left them cold? Why penalize the Cohens for the stupidity of the general moviegoer? And while we’re on the subject of disconnect, your number 1 film, There Will Be Blood, is going to potentially leave a hell of a lot more people cold than the last third of NCFOM. The tonal shift alone towards the end of that film will completely throw most people off, as evidenced by the showing I was present at last week.
georges garvaren by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:09:40 PM
Are you seriously telling me that No Country for Old Men is a better film than Children of Men? No Country was just another film, a well made film, but nothing that hasn't been seen or made before. Plus Children of Men was far more entertaining and gripping.
Mori, kudos for pimping Shane Meadows and This Is England by ODM	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:22:35 PM
Great film that really captured the rise and fall of the skin head culture. Bravo!
TheLastCleric by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:25:02 PM
Yeah well i've seen the back to the future trilogy over 40 times at least, and I doubt you can pop no country for old men into the dvd player, skip to a scene and just watch that scene repeatedly like you could with back to the future. Plus a fourth showing, that's nothing man, most people who really like(not love) a movie will see it 4 times. I could see it 4 times. probably not 5 though.
BOOSTER GOLD AND FINAL CRISIS! by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:26:03 PM
Holy shit he's one of the most important characters in the DCM!
Tom Bodet is TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:40:21 PM
That is all. Superstar Talkbacker messi speaks.
No KILLER OF SHEEP in any Top Ten? by TopHat	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:44:01 PM
Really?
There Will Be Blood has three #1s for this year by jimmay	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:47:51 PM
1-best beginning-from that first stark shot and jarring orchestral swell, it DEMANDED that you shut up and pay attention to the screen. 2-best ending-there really is no other way it could have ended. Whatever problems the third act had up to that point where swept away in a wave of perfection, with the year's second best line-"I'm finished." Which brings us to: 3-best line of dialogue-"I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!"
Once blew me away by aversiontherapy2	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:51:10 PM
It's been a long time since I've been so surprised and enamoured with a film. The ending is absolutely pitch perfect.
Those who hate Once by messi	Feb 2nd, 2008 01:52:49 PM
maybe not huge music fans, but not in that sense, but in the jamming/recording musician esque love.
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You... by Francis Begbie	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:01:44 PM
For putting No Country for Old Men in it's rightful place and putting There Will Be Blood at number 1. There is some justice in the world.
Messi by TheLastCleric	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:02:10 PM
Visiting a theater to see the same film four times isn't something I do with many films, especially given how short their duration is from screen to DVD. Most flicks I love I catch two or three times on the big screen then wait for the DVD release which follows shortly. Also, to be fair, NCFOM isn't a fun movie in the same sense as Back to the Future; it's a deeper, more complex experience that I'm not always going to be in the mood for. I love BTTF by the way; truly a great trilogy, haters be damned!
Re: Messi (Spoilers Inside) by georges garvaren	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:04:28 PM
I'm not too sure how we have come to the debate on whether NCOM is a better film than COF, but, since I'm here I might as well weigh-in. So, yes, I do think NCOM is the superior film and by a long shot. To claim that NCOM is “just another film...nothing that hasn't been seen or made before.” is a pretty bold statement and a statement that the entire professional film community would seem to disagree with. It has been a very long time since I’ve seen a film that takes so many chances with every film convention a story like NCOM could tell; the Coen Bros. made very tough decisions with their execution and style, and ever second of film is completely necessary and not just some tacky device like . . .oh I don’t know, inessential long takes? Maybe? Especially when you see it coming a mile away. Hmm? That being said; never was I bored and wishing for more during COM, but I was also never left holding breath, guessing as to what would come next or how the story would ultimately end. This is not a knock on COM’s overall beauty (and it is a wonderful film) but it does illustrated how the telling and unfolding of story/information in NCOM shines as a stronger work of art because of the risky choices is chose to make. Killing the main character off-screen and not by his archenemy but by someone we never really know is one fucking tough, balls-out move to make in a film. Do you think the studio didn’t question that move? Question that abrupt ending of the hero’s life and his quest? I’m guessing yes; they did have issue but they also saw the film in its completion and knew what a brilliant work it was. Over time both films will last, but ultimately NCOM will be held higher. It simply comes down to necessity, and now that we have NCOM in our conscience, I don’t think it could ever disappear. Not for me, at least. Cheers.
The Zone gives me a headache... by tonagan	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:06:12 PM
I like the Fisher-Price version of these talkbacks better, though it may just take a while to get used to it.
T 1000 xp professional about the Mist by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:13:56 PM
I think it was just a friendly nod to fans of Kings work. So far what I've heard is that JJ Abrams has the rights to The Dark Tower(oh God, shoot now) so we'll see what's going on with that in the future
I thought for sure STARDUST would be somewhere in the 24 by DKT	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:27:18 PM
You seemed so passionate about that movie back in the summer. Did it just not hold up for you against the rest? Also, 3:10 to Yuma, but maybe I'm getting you're review mixed up with Capone's...
Dude, You Shoulda Saw 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days..., plus a q by grungies	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:52:33 PM
I honestly think it's the best foreign film of the year, and it's downright shameful that the Oscars overlooked it. It's better than Diving Bell and the Butterfly. Also, I've gotta say I don't really understand your reasons for putting No Country for Old Men at number seven. Could you be more specific? And Into the Wild is overrated. Good, but overrated. Thought-provoking, poetic, well acted, but MTV'ed and "hip-ified" to the point of choking the emotion of the film. This is my personal opinion, not a question for you. I think the one movie on which we completely agree is There Will Be Blood.
The Answer to Where the Money Goes by irc-Hollywood	Feb 2nd, 2008 02:56:51 PM
Sugar keeps the money. Moss hides the money in the hotel room vent shaft where Tommy Lee finds him dead, killed by the mexicans. The money was hidden in the vent shaft, just as he did in the first hotel room. The Mexicans did not find it, but sugar did when he goes to the crime scene. Because he was made aware of Moss' hiding spot in the first hotel room. At the end of the movie Sugar gives the kids a 100 doller bill, thus proving he is in possession of the money.
You copped out on No Country by Moe Ron	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:00:11 PM
It's low on the list because of what some jackasses thought of the ending? But I read that not caring what others thought about a film was liberating. You should've zigged instead of zagged and realized it's the best movie of the year, hands down.
No Country is 6 on your list? by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:00:15 PM
Your explanation doesn't even make sense. It's ranked that low because of the ending, which makes the film better? I don't know why you would lower a film's ranking because audiences are too simplistic to understand what just happened. And although DDL gives a nice performance in TWBB, ranking it number 1 is a total crock. I understand that PTA likes to make sprawling films, but TWBB was seriously in need of an editor. Nearly 3 hrs spent primarily with an enigmatic egotistical oilman was a viewing experience that was at times illuminating and at times dreadfully slow.
No Country for Old Men is ... by No Respectable Gentleman	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:01:23 PM
... like a Brian DePalma project that somehow ended up getting directed by Ingmar Bergman. Well personally I would have preferred the DePalma version, complete with throbbing music, nutty angles, a nude scene by Nancy Allen, all the existing implausibilities, and the goddang integrity to be nothing more than what it is -- a silly shoot-and-chase flick with a comic book villain. What's next? Is Spielberg gonna turn CRYSTAL SKULL into an art flick by stripping away the music had having Ray Winstone mumble about his dreams?
Great list, Mori! Great writeup on Once!!! by a goonie	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:03:52 PM
Amazingly, my no. 1 and 2 picks of the year are the same as yours, Mori, except reversed. I enjoyed your runners-up list and this is another great one. 2007 was an incredible year for cinema and I love that I have movies like Once, There Will Be Blood, and No Country for Old Men to cherish forever. But man, you just fucking nailed Once there. I love that movie with every fiber of my being and your writeup beautifully celebrates the magic of that movie. Also, not to be a shameless promoter or anything, but if anyone's interested, my top ten best and top five worst of this year can be found on my website at this link: http://www.slothsandmovies.com /2007-movies.html
Thank you, Mori by buffywrestling	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:06:21 PM
That was like a famous, long meal - accompanied by a '99 red, cigars and smidge of Drambui to finished it off proper. And if I can continue on that vein for a moment: Harry is like a beer with too much head with some spicy BBQ, Quint is a vodka and redbull, Vern is a boilermaker, Capone is dry martini, and Neil Cumpston is a straight up shot of Wild Turkey. I'm an alcoholic. Thanks for another great year, AICN and to all it's contributors. Thanks to the talbackers for making me laugh and be disgusted all at the same time. The Lost TB was amazing and I'm sorry I couldn't hang in there - The White Screen of Doom made me it's bitch once too many times. H
WE WUZ ROBBED by Vern	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:11:03 PM
"We" being the PG-13 DIE HARD talkback. Man, this is like when CRASH won best picture.
And how is TWBB like Kubrick's work? by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:13:27 PM
I get that the pacing of TWBB was slow, like many of Kubrick's films (although I have never been bored by any of Kubrick's movies, while I was bored by parts of TWBB). But in terms of composing shots, mise-en-scene, PTA didn't seem to really copy Kubrick, did he?
Ratatouille by Gwai Lo	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:17:54 PM
It's disappointing to see this above so many great films.
What about the Zoo TB Vern by Kloipy	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:30:29 PM
that didn't gallop away from the subject of horse-fucking so i think Mori should recognize that as well
Kubrick by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:46:31 PM
:::spoilerish since we're talking about specifics::: starting with the orchestral swell, The first act was reminding me of the primitive land in 2001, I also can't put my finger on it but I felt some parallels on the presentation of Daniel Plainview character's storyline and Jack's from the Shining
:::spoilerish::: by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:54:17 PM
the music was basically inspired by the Monolith's theme from 2001...It used it whenever there was some form of greed/corruption in the movie, which to me drew the comparison upon the monolith as being kind of like the unknown supernatural presence that's driving force of human progression.
The movie...not it by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:54:52 PM

I loved ONCE by unclemeat	Feb 2nd, 2008 03:56:05 PM
Not just because I'm a musician, but most of all, because I'm a human being. Those who hate it have no heart, no soul and eat little children for breakfast.
Usually cant stand Moris reviews... by Tourist	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:00:09 PM
...But he nailed NCFOM, although I've tried to same retorts on unbelievers, and it falls on deaf ears. He was also dead on about This Is England. If you watched any of the bonus material on Meadow's disks, pretty much everything/place in his films is lifted from autobiographical situations and/or workshopped from those around him. STILL haven't seen There Will Be Blood (waiting for the cinema release here next week) nor King Of Kong since its not out here at all and Once...well, I promise I'll get around to it. So, man, pretty damn good list, aside from the compulsory pixar pick. Really wish Into The Wild and This Is England saw more love around awards times, since they didn't really get a big audience.
Oh and... by Tourist	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:03:44 PM
...The ending of NCFOM is one of the things I fucking loved from the minute it broke on screen, and just plain didn't understand how people couldn't like it. "Then I Woke Up". Its as good as a head in a box! Its like, to use CS parlance, BOOM! HEADSHOT! How do you like that shit, huh? We are all DOOOOOOMED! Anyway. I thought it was great. Sorry.
The Zone? by DocPazuzu	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:13:54 PM
TalkBack eats The Zone for breakfast. I've made this comparison before, but I think it's still apt: TalkBack is like the Mos Eisley cantina and The Zone is like the Taco Bell in Demolition Man. Zoners use polite language and eat with knives and forks on linen tablecloths, but it's still fucking Taco Bell. Come into our den of iniquity with that faux-fancy attitude and we'll chop your well-tailored arms off with lightsabers.
Thanks Mori by rbrog77	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:16:05 PM
No way could I be as eloquent in my thanks as you were in your praise for the Lost Talkback. It was a place where we were determined to keep it going, to keep it on topic, and to advance our collective knowledge of that marvelous piece of work. Thank you and all the AINC powers that be for giving us the forum to do this. rb
"Film geeks need to remember it's about entertainment." by Tourist	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:16:22 PM
Who the fuck are you? God? Suck my dick messi. I'll fucking enjoy the films I want to enjoy. For your information, I was bored to tears by that hackneyed shitfest Pans Labrynth, and was moved and excited and enthralled and left in contemplation by NCFOM, which, yes, I have seen several times. If you cant watch that film and see that its phsyical craftsmanship, alone, is on par with Children Of Men, you don't know fucking shit about the construction of a film, or photography, or design, or any other creative element. And, just to clarify for your idiot ass, films like all forms of media are primarily about communication. Dickhead.
The ending of TWBB feels a LOT like the ending... by JackIsLost	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:31:07 PM
of EYES WIDE SHUT, with the darkly comic last line and ironic classical music. Yeah, it feels like a bit of an imitation of Kubrick. I mean, I liked the movie but to say it's the best of the year is just plain silly...
T1000 by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:38:46 PM
Thanks for reminding me about the music at the beginning. That did remind me of 2001 and the monolith. Not so sure about the similarities to Eyes Wide Shut. I know a lot of people thought EWS was really slow, but TWBB just seemed to drag on to me.
DocPazuzu by T 1000 xp professional	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:51:17 PM
haha
What ever happened to good STORIES? by starlesswinter	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:53:00 PM
NCOM and TWBB are undoubtedly well-crafted films, but they (like most arthouse films) are pompous and pretensious. People eat them up BECAUSE of their characterization, their political or social relevance, how well their shots are composed, and so forth. But aren't films supposed to be about stories? When was the last time anyone of us read a review of any movie that said, "What a fantastic STORY!" No, we get "A great character study!", "A great commentary on modern society!", "Incredible performances!" Yes, that's all nice and dandy, but they should come second to the story. My problem with many artsy films is that one or more elements always come before the story itself, and if you strip those said elements, the story is nearly always very thin. Art itself is not a way to show how brilliantly one can challenge society's values, but a way to share an experience with an audience. If characterization or some sort of intended message is really done well, it should branch naturally from the narrative. We are in an age when a story doesn't seem to matter anymore; it's the stuff fluffing it up that gets all the attention.
EASILY the best top ten list I've read this year by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:56:27 PM
And this is why I have a cosmic shit ton of respect for Mori even when I violently disagree with him.
That's a large review for ONCE by EvilGeek1	Feb 2nd, 2008 04:57:28 PM
I still can't believe that movie traveled so well. Few Irish movies do. Now if Hansard and Day Lewis team up with Colin Farrell, with Colm Meaney on the left flank and Neil Jordan as Battalion Commander, then we could get a pretty good Irish invasion going. Hide the booze. WE'RE COMING!
The reason why Ratotouille is so high is becuase its by Lovecraftfan	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:09:18 PM
brilliant. Are people actually still trying to argue that its just a silly cartoon. Becuase its not.
That last paragraph about Andrew Dominik is fucking sad Moriarty by NoPIX	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:16:24 PM
He had Ridley Scott backing him at least. I guess this was one of those cases where the studio gave him lots of money because of the talent involved and were COMPLETELY SHOCKED by what they got. Not really weird I guess, but a damn shame.
Great list Mori. by Juggernaut125	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:16:35 PM
haven't seen many of the movies, but I can understand why they are in the position you have ranked them. Surprisingly, your reasoning for NCFOM's position in the list reflects my own response to the movie, for which you took an opposing view. First off, I will reiterate, I DO love the movie, the characters and the story, but felt the direction was difficult to defend. As a result, audiences were mixed. Some 'got it' others didn't. Personally, I was never confused about WHAT happened, so much as WHY, which I fault the Coens for, and attribute to it's lower position in any top ten list. Great movie. But flawed.
starlesswinter: how does NCFOM not have a good story? by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:19:10 PM

Messi remember when I said NCFOM was gonna get an Oscar nod? by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:21:15 PM
And you responded as if I had lost my fucking mind that that was even a possibility. Well guess what.....I. TOLD. YOU. SO.
Leobloom by starlesswinter	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:23:55 PM
But you don't hear people praising it's story, do you? No, its the acting, the message, the departure from conventional narrative that people talk about.
Best talkback of the year 2007 by krack	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:25:43 PM
Was the Transformers talkback last Jan/Feb that went over 2000 posts and then crashed and lost about a 1000 posts. It was the best (funniest) discussion on Michael Bay, Don Murphy, Orci, the other jagoff, and current Hollywood politics all year. Just hilarious.
i posted this before.. by soup74	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:26:13 PM
but since king of kong was brought up i feel the need the cut and paste. just bought the movie, watched it, loved it. then i did more research and i really do feel the movie was deceptive. steve was the record holder during the whole movie, and he didnt even beat billy to get the title. he beat a guy named tim who beat billy back in 2001. the (friendly) rivalry between billy and steve was who could be the first to beat 1 million on donkey kong. both had video tapes of them doing it, and both tapes were eventually considered not usable. (the doc shows them accepting billy's which seemed very unfair, but they retracted it 2 days later. it makes them look bad for accepting it so fast, but they had worked with billy for 20 years, so they had no reason to doubt them. another thing that made twingalxies look bad was how they played billy DK tape while steve was playing DK live. but the whole event was being promoted as two DK masters going for the title. thats why bother were being played at the same time. even so, twin galaxies admitted they probably shouldn't have played them at the same time because it took attention away from steve who was actually there. honest mistake, they apologized for it. the full letter and steve's reply can be found on twin galaxies site.) the real reason billy started snubbing steve was because steve started being friendly with 'mr awesome' who billy hated. (the reasons for that arent really stated, but you can probably figure out a few reasons why by just watching the film.) the doc makes it look like billy walks into the arcade and sees steve for the first time and says 'there are some people id rather associate with.' when in reality they used to meet up for conventions already. saying that because of steve hanging out with 'mr awesome' might have been a bit immature, but not the evil gesture the doc made it seem to be. there are plenty of videos and audio of steve and billy being together before they even starting shooting this doc. which kind of makes steve the asshole for going along with how the story was presented after the fact. if you watch the Q&As on the DVD from the movie premieres someone asks steve "where is billy?" and his answer is, "well, as you can see in the movie we had a falling out." no, actually the movie makes it look like you two never really met. a 'falling out' means, you were friends, and now you're not. it kind of gives things away. that being said, this DVD is SO worth it. if not for the actually movie (which is pretty entertaining. decpetion or not) then for the interviews in the extras with the other titles.. each one of them is more entertaining than the next. i kind of wish the doc was more about them as they originally set out to do, but then it probably wouldnt have been as succesful as it was. and to site my sources go to twingalaxies.com. these people take their gaming records and integrity SERIOUSLY, and i doubt they would lie about any of this... plus all that photo/video/audio proof they have.
With NCFOM and Children of Men you are talking about two films.. by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:30:10 PM
that are absolutely at the very top of the directing pyramid. Period. One is not "better" than the other directorially. Both are god damn near perfect. If you prefer a modern fable about the slow degeneration of Earth and the nature of hope, empathy, and the triumph of the will or a morality/survivalist story about human consequence, fate, and the prevailing of evil (or is it?) is going to determine which you prefer and frankly it's purely a matter of opinion. I think both are amazing.
The Mist would make my top ten by TheLastCleric	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:33:37 PM
Darabont took some risks with that film, especially the ending, but it was an amazing experience overall. I also think Sweeny Todd was exceptional; classic Greek tragedy put to some pretty decent music.
Starlesswinter by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:40:30 PM
The entire point of There Will be Blood is as a character study. And as a character study its one of the best put to film. It's STORY, while not your typical yarn in the way that say The Departed is, is the story of a man vs. his own twisted psyche and how he eventually loses that battle. The film shows this fall systematically, completely, with nothing less than total honesty. A story can take many different forms. I don't really see how showing the inner machinations of a character so honestly is pretentious. It's something very few films do well. Other films that follow this formula are Citizen Kane, Taxi Driver, and Brokeback Mountain just to name a few other brilliant examples.
Why NCFOM is better than TWBB (and always will be)... by BurnHollywood	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:45:58 PM
Whereas the Coens deeply revere Cormac McCarthy, and were faithful to the point where his novel feels almost like a first-draft screenplay (The similarly faithful "Zodiac" deserves a higher ranking as well...), Anderson instead sought to upstage and bypass Upton Sinclair...aside from Plainview's introductory speech, there's almost nothing of the original novel "Oil!" in TWBB. This might be okay if Anderson had seen something in the novel better than the father/son struggle Sinclair originally focussed on, but frankly, his version just doesn't come together in the end...it's "Citizen Kane" with a more cold-blooded capitalist, and that's about it. Day-Lewis deserves all the best actor nods he's getting, but he can't rescue the movie from its clunky non-ending, which actually undermines his hard work. NCFOM and Zodiac are, by contrast, complete tales, even if their conclusions defy the moviegoer's expectations...TWBB will always have an "almost" attached to its efforts.
JUST SAW THERE WILL BE BLOOD LAST NIGHT by BringingSexyBack	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:48:33 PM
I don't remember the last time I physically leaned forward just to soak in a static shot, a close-up, a dead silent moment, or the anticipation of a word, but found myself doing just that many times. Usually I associate "epic" with grand scope and vast landscapes, but in this case, epic describes Day-Lewis' face. And the soundtrack. Like Drew said, was there any question? Best movie of the 21st Century so far.
With hyperbole like that, BSB you should write for AICN by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:51:50 PM
Best movie of the 21st century? It's not even the best movie of 2007.
Starlesswinter by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 05:57:40 PM
It seems to me that the cat and mouse game between Chigurh and Moss is a classic story, and the film brilliantly grafts that story onto the central story of Tommy Lee Jones's disillusionment and his desire to wash his hands of the evil he's seen.
It's not hyperbole if you believe it by Gwai Lo	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:03:17 PM
I'd make similar claims. Children of Men is right up there for me as well. I think it's funny that people haughtily declare what a movie can and can't be, like stamping your feet makes your opinion inarguable. but i'm guilty of it too, so i understand, i guess. ratatouille = 7/10
IndustryKiller by starlesswinter	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:11:29 PM
I understand that the point of TWBB is characterization, but that's part of my point. Why are the Greats (past, present, and those to come) ALWAYS films about character study, political/social commentary, morals, etc. All the films up for awards this year are: Atonement, There Will Be Blood, No Country for Old Men. They aren't bad films, but it really irks me because it seems like they praised simply BECAUSE they are studies. Why can't a film be called a masterpiece because of its story? Why can't it ever be superior to an "artsy" film because of its story? Are films of study and commentary BETTER than all others because of what they say about human life?
But really...do you think "There Will Be Blood" would be so crit by BurnHollywood	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:12:54 PM
...If Anderson had gone with the more accurate title, "OILY MEAN GUY"?
..continued by starlesswinter	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:14:17 PM
or is it simply a coincidence that almost all awarded films have that in common?
Starless, interesting stories have interesting characters... by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:20:48 PM
what do you mean by "character study" anyway? Is Raging Bull a character study? Is Goodfellas? Is Stagecoach? Is the Maltese Falcon? Is the Godfather? I don't see what your point is about story versus character.
"it's "Citizen Kane" with a more cold-blooded capitalist" by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:30:33 PM
You know I've been hearing that a lot lately and I gotta say I just don't get it. I mean the Citizen Kane comparison I get totally. But the implication that Daniel Plainview is somehow less human than Charles Foster Kane is just patently false. I had the pleasure of seeing Kane for the first time on the big screen here in LA at the awesome New Beverly Cinema and it was a hell of a experience. To me though, Kane comes off as a rich man who felt entitled to greatness by the very grace of his presence and charisma, but someone who was too egocentric to put in the work for that greatness. Plainview is the opposite. Plainview is a man so bitter and tortured by life that the only way out he can see out of it is to transcend it. That, as God as his witness, with his own blood sweat and tears, he will climb his way to the top of Olympus and be larger than life itself. In his quest for this private glory he has hardened to the point of iron, letting no human feeling get in the way. After years of this mentality, combined with an equal measure of success, he has absolutely convinced himself of his own perfection and that anyone else could only be imperfect by comparison. What makes him so fascinating though is how obvious he is, how wanting for that human connection that he just cannot allow himself to have. And when he finds it in someone he does his best to destroy that person at the very moment he finds out they aren't perfect, lest they make him as weak as he perceives them to be. SPOILER You can see it when he sends H. W. away after the accident. He clearly sees his son as a vessel for future glory. Raising someone in a way that they will grow to be every bit as great as he is and he will finally have someone to enjoy his success with him, someone else who is deserving. After the accident, when H. W. is handicapped, Daniel sends him away, unable to deal with any sort of vulnerability, as if H.W.'s deafness is a mirror for his own weakness and failure. You see it again later when Plainview tells Kevin J. O' Connors character that if "I have it in me you do too." about his own darkness of character. This is less an observation of O'Connor than a hope of the possibility of a companion. It's never more obvious though, than in the final scene between him and his son. It's absolutely irrelevant that his son will be his competitor in the oil business, what is relevant is that the son he loves so dearly is leaving his side. Unable to come to terms with this kind of vulnerability, he convinces himself that his anger is business related and, as some sort of test of will to prove it to himself, he sacrifices his relationship with the only person left who cares for him. Whereas Charles Foster Kane falls short of his goals, Daniel Plainview succeeds in every feasible manner and ends up compeletely destroyed by his own dream, and the only one who it wouldn't be completely obvious to is himself.
NCFOM failed by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:38:51 PM
Anyone who liked the ending to NCFOM is an idiot who bought cheap goods at twice the going rate. The craftsmanship of the film until the "non-shootout" scene was wonderful, the writing superb, but it ducked several issues along the way in guise of being "literary". One: If you are going to establish Tommy Lee Jones' character as someone who doesn't want a part of this world anymore, than he should have NOT gone into that hotel room toward the end. That, at least, is a conscious decision and we understand it. Two: The "random" car-crash at the end was telegraphed and cliche by every definition of the word. I knew it was coming the second they dropped the character thread and arc of Llewelyn. The scene with the killer and the wife was well done, but the structure of the movie was shitty and simply lazy altogether. I don't care if it "follows" the novel. It simply means the novel is a great story with a hack ending. Period. There are ways to make the same points without dodging important character or thematic elements. NCFOM will be remembered for "what could have been", not for what was. And to say that "we don't understand" it is fucking idiotic. I understood it. It was a copout typical of the "literary" genre passed off as "brave" and "revolutionary" rather than revealed as fucking lazy writing. I hope There Will Be Blood is better.
Interesting question starlesswinter by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:40:11 PM
The only problem I have with what you are saying is that the other films you are talking about are pretentious. I think they are as honest as films can be, and honesty in art isn't pretentious. I think the films you talk about have plenty of story, you just couldn't make an easy elevator pitch with them. But I do understand what you are saying. I think there are plenty of great films out there that have traditional stories. Star Wars for one. Saving Private Ryan. Spielberg is big on story. Just about all Hitchcock's films. But if you notice all those films also have brilliant characterization. Seeing someone bring a character to life and be completely human in a film is always going to be a transcendent film going experience. It allows us to see parts of our fellow man that we wouldn't normally be able to see and are incapable of seeing in ourselves. Those private moments that usually remain hidden to the world at large.
My point... by starlesswinter	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:41:51 PM
...is that most praised films nowadays are not praised because of their tales or their storylines. Find me a review that says, "What a marvelous story!". I don't like it when films are ABOUT characterization or ABOUT a controversial element of society. Give me a film about a character's journey to save the world and let the characterization stem from that (the story comes first) . But don't give me a film [i]about[/i] how complex or realistic you can comment on that character's life. Don't give me a film [i]about[/i] how the war can ruin lives and our country. It's just trying to show the audience how a director realizes something about human life and the audience does not. A STORY, for example, is a hobbit traveling across the land to destroy a ring. Thematic material is present, but the film isn't a message about those themes (that doesn't degrade them either). But a STORY isn't a man's inner complexity. That's a study. I think it's just a shame that there are rarely any films that can be called "masterpieces" simply because they told their narratives well. There doesn't have to be any astounding relevance to the times, any thematic importance to politics or human nature...just a story. My question is "Why does there HAVE to be a study of life and character to be fantastic?"
Mori, what did you think of Sweeney and Walk Hard? by darthflagg	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:42:37 PM
I thought those films would be right up your alley, but I haven't heard you comment on either of them except for brief mentions.
NCFOM vs TWBB by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:44:39 PM
I thought No Country was hands down the best film of the year...but then I saw There Will Be Blood. TWBB is literally on a whole different level than any other movie in the past, what, sixty years? Sorry for the hyperbole, but I think it's true. PTA fucking nailed it. Starlesswriter is way off the mark. I didn't think there was any pretentiousness in Blood OR Country. Masters at work, that's all. (funny, too because on the surface, TWBB seems like a pretentious film). And Industry Killer...Plainview wasn't destroyed. He was "happy" living in his big mansion all by himself. He "won", in his mind at least.
Starlesswriter has a point by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:50:01 PM
Whether we want to admit it or not, many of these "classic" films lack story in favor of preaching to the converted masses. Typically, if any movie has Al Gore or a nihilistic, self-loathing view of humanity and democracy, then it's a damned classic. Cut and print. Doesn't need an ending or any sense of character progression--just a "message" we "agree" with. Character depth (and I'd argue that many literary films are shallow in character) is not a substitute for story. ALL of it matters, the whole mix.
Starlesswinter.... sorry by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:51:50 PM
Forgive the typo... or don't.
Criticalbliss by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:53:50 PM
What exactly was the "message" in TWBB?
criticalbliss by starlesswinter	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:54:23 PM
I think that's partly what I was trying to say: "Character depth is not a substitute for story".
Starlesswinter: What about Goodfellas or Pulp Fiction? by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:55:43 PM
Those don't seem to be "character studies" and they were the two biggest critical darlings of the last 25 years. Not to mention the Coen Brothers, whom the critics love, never write screenplays that you would call character studies. Wouldn't you say they are all about the story?
MC-909 (message) by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:57:34 PM
Well, the "critics" who deem it "brilliant" say it is a "scathing commentary on the emptiness and pointlessness of the American Dream". It's a theme they love, though it could just as well be "projected" onto the film. I haven't seen it yet, though. I'm hoping there is an actual movie in there somewhere, but I know better than to be too excited. I've been burned too many times before.
And even if a masterpiece did succeed on story alone... by starlesswinter	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:57:46 PM
...I'd bet it would still be below films like NCFOM and TWBB on people's list. It's prejudging, I know, but that's kinda how films work nowadays. It IS about the whole mix of things, though. Character depth is an element of story, not the story itself.
starlesswinter by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 06:59:56 PM
You're a talkbacker after my own heart. Agreed. But remember that Hollywood is an echo chamber and they'd rather hear themselves than another voice that dares to say anything of consequence.
How is NCFOM a character study lacking a story? by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:03:06 PM
As I wrote above, "It seems to me that the cat and mouse game between Chigurh and Moss is a classic story, and the film brilliantly grafts that story onto the central story of Tommy Lee Jones's disillusionment and his desire to wash his hands of the evil he's seen."
Children of Men starlesswinter by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:03:38 PM
there ya go
I see by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:04:29 PM
Then I have to say that even the critics in this case aren't "getting it". We actually had this same discussion in a local film group here in NC. There isn't any "message" or "lesson" to be learned from TWBB. It's simply the story of one guy and we're kinda along for the ride. A "backstage" pass to the life of someone people consider evil...though I didn't think he was. Call it a character study or whatever, the point is that once it has a chance to sink in, it becomes fascinating. I'll shut up now since you haven't seen it and you deserve to make up your own mind.
NCFOM by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:07:21 PM
Had a story until near the end when it dropped said story. The key is that Lee Jones' character makes no conscious decision to "leave" it be. A better ending would be "not to know" what happened because Jones decides not to go into the hotel room. That would have been both brave and understandable and would have rooted the story more firmly into his character. There you go. That should do it.
finally saw TWBB by waggy	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:08:29 PM
and I'm afraid I just don't get it. I know I'm supposed to think it's great, but I just don't. Did the myriad of reviews calling it literally "one of the best movies ever made" set me up to be disappointed? Sure, but even putting that aside I didn't find much in the movie to hang onto aside from the Kubrickian ending. Am I crazy? Was I the only one not blown away or are there others out there who are just afraid to speak up? (and i'm sure I've got plenty of insults coming my way from people telling me to go watch Meet the Spartans instead, so if we can skip that, I can skip the part where I have to defend my own tastes by listing the classics and art films I do like) Aside from that, good list Mori. Glad to see Jesse James getting some recognition. I really can't get over how poorly the studio handled that film.
also... by MC-909	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:09:18 PM
Just saw Cloverfield for the first time. JJ Abrams is the biggest smash-and-grab artist in all of Hollywood. He's the fucking modern-day PT Barnum: "Come see the amazing Cloverfield monster! It's in this tent just beyond this curtain! Money up front please, and no refunds. Have fun, sucka! Hahahaha!" Bastard. I feel robbed. Sorry. Had to get that out.
He does make a conscious decision to retire... by leobloom	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:10:01 PM
and to stop chasing Chigurh. So again, how does the ending "drop" the story?
haha. I guess I'll see Cloverfield on video by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:11:05 PM
Thanks for the warning...
Criticalbliss and MC-909 by IndustryKiller!	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:12:31 PM
I think what starlesswinter is saying is fundamentally different. There Will be Blood could be seen as an allegory for American greed but that doesn't even scratch the surface of what makes it a masterpiece. But if you are looking for a brilliant film that conveys a pro-conservative message then you're gonna be waiting a long time. SPOILER and MC-909, you are certainly right about the "in his own mind" part. The thing is he is completely bullshitting himself. He is a man who loves no one and nothing and whom no one loves. He is completely empty and the only pleasure he gets is through destruction and subjugation of others, which he has convinced himself makes him better than everyone else, when anyone in their right mind would find him utterly pathetic. With that said I have the utmost empathy for the character.
leobloom by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:12:40 PM
Because his previous action contradicted his implied response (we never "see" him retire) and we never "see" the decision on screen or what drives him to that point. Again, I'm right. It's ok. It happens a lot.
Mori: You just gave the Lost TalkBackers license . . . by gruntybear	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:13:55 PM
. . . to be even more sanctimonious, judgmental, insular and off-putting than they've ever been before. That's like hot-gluing a cubic zirconium bangle onto their self-anointed tin foil tiara and back-handedly giving their insane "everything is connected, IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE" asylum ramblings the whiff of legitimacy that they so desperately crave. If anyone thought they were insufferable in their endless "what if" games before, you aint' seen shit yet. Ah, but it'll all be worth it for the "ginormity" of the collective freak-out/meltdown/hair-pull/t eeth-gnashing that's going to come when that last preciously guarded final "secret" isn't all it's been hyped to be. The backlash tsunami is going to be SO. MUCH. FUN. to watch. pee-pee dance Can't wait.
Lost is a plane full of nutbags by criticalbliss	Feb 2nd, 2008 07:16:18 PM

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