BTW, I said "IF" reshoots are needed. So trying reading before post. ;)

I don't care how good Nolan is. There's 100+ million on the line. If WB wants reshoots, they'll get 'em if they feel they're necessary. Don't tell me you still believe in the "auteur system." :P

Rest in peace you poor, crazy bastard.

So, I'm SORRY if a bunch of you think that Harry is a heartless wretch, but Dark Knight was the second thing that came to my mind after the news this afternoon. I appreciate this article for what it is: "what does this tragedy mean to Dark Knight?"

Get over it... It's not like we're spitting on Ledger's memory. My prayers go out to him and his daughter.

Although to be honest, I thought I read somewhere once that the cutoff date was actually February 1st, not January 1st, so it is conceivable Heath makes it.

Why do any of you care at all about Heath Ledger? Why do you even know Heath Ledger's name? Because of his work as an actor.

I don't see how discussing the subject of how his death will affect the outcome of his final project, even on the day of his death, is at all disrespectful. Especially given what that final project is, and how much many of us have been looking forward to seeing his work in that project. No, it seems perfectly respectful to me.

That's not to say that how that discussion has been handled so far by some of us has been the model of maturity.

.....grumble....

(walks away shaking head)

I have no emotional connections with Ledger. His performance as the Joker was going to be my first conscious introduction to the man. But I do not -- I absolute DO NOT -- want Nolan to kill-off the Joker. I do, however, want him to reappear in future sequels, so I would not object to the Joker being re-cast in later films.

Geez.

I can't decide right now whether that interview constitutes good journalism or the ghoulish dissection of a couple of fresh bodies.

Bearing in mind I'm all for the First Amendment, I think it's a right marvelous idea for Ledger's kin to sue the living fuck out of those hatemongers for the premeditated and wonton infliction of emotional distress.

WWJD? The question I would pose is, would He even recognize them, by their actions, as members of His flock?

What ever happened to loving the sinner but hating the sin? If they honestly believe the fate of Mr. Ledger's soul hangs in the balance, shouldn't they hie themselves to their place of worship and pray fervently and with all their hearts for his everlasting soul???

Well, that's the idea. Discuss.

As for all the mock-outrage (which coincidentally happens to be coming mostly from the people who are ignorant on TBs on a regular basis), if you feel so bad for a 2 year-old losing her father, why don't you go out and contribute some money to the family of a vet, a cop, a fireman, or someone else who died tragically. I never met Heath Ledger, so I don't mourn his death nearly as much as someone who died trying to protect another person. In fact, if it turns out he offed himself with drugs, then I won't mourn him as much as anyone who died today as the victim of a crime, it will just be another artist wasting his talent senselessly. His only relevance in my life is his movies. I had no imaginary friendship with the man, and am pretty sure he didn't wonder about me, either.

People who commit suicide are selfish assholes, and he's worst than a selfish asshole -- he's a selfish asshole with a daughter who is now fatherless. Fuck him.

The only thing that's of any interest to me, as with ALL film celebrities, are their movies. I don't know them, and don't want to know them. They're mostly selfish fucking children with acting talent and NOTHING ELSE. So I don't get it when people whine about how we should care for this guy and be respectful of him. Fuck you. He left his friends and family behind because life was so goddamn hard. When he was alive, he went to work, starred in movie roles, and I paid money to watch some of them. That's as far as our relationship goes!

How typical.

So that may in part, explain the sleeping pills, but it's gotta be more than the pills that killed him.

P.S. - This is sarcasm.

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I do enjoy movies, though. (Which is why I am on this site.) As someone who is looking forward to the new Batman movie, I wondered if Heath's death was going to affect the movie. Since I am planning on going to the movie when it's released, that actually *does* affect my life. So I went to a MOVIE NEWS WEBSITE to see if I could find the answer and I did. If you want to mourn the guy like a teenage girl, go to a more appropriate site.

Cuz he's good like that.

So is Westboro Baptist Cunts

Look for the Westboros to go down in flames before long. Something looms around the corner for that bunch.

I dont know much about Mr. Ledgers personal spiritual life and perhaps that is for the best - I can only hope that he walks with the saints today. If he does, then there's no need to feel sorry for him, OR for his daughter. He speaks her name to God's ears continually.

Because if you don't know how he died (how could you? the autopsy was inconclusive), then STFU with that judgmental shit.

It might be hard for some people to comprehend, but it's possible to care about both the man and what he was working on. I don't think anyone here is saying, "stupid guy, I hope he doesn't ruin my Batman!"

And a simple note for all of those idiots saying things like, "why don't we care this much about people dying in [Iraq, Africa, etc.]?" If you're trying to make that point, is attacking people for caring about one person's death really the best way to do it? Shouldn't you be encouraging more positive behavior, rather than attacking one instance of it?

Again, it is possible to think about, care about, be concerned about more than one thing at once. Expressing one thought at one moment is not the same thing as expressing all of one's thoughts about everything in the universe. To judge it as such is just stupid.

I don't think that anyone will disagree either that the only way that many of us even knew of Heath Ledger was through his work i.e. The Dark Knight. It's like when a person who was only an acquaintance dies, but you know that the acquaintance was really good friends with your brother, your concerns are going to be for your brother first, not the acqaintance because you have a more intimate knowledge of your brother (haha lolz insest joke) than you did with the acquaintance. Many of us here, and I don't know what the implications of our personal lives it with this fact, have a more intimate knowledge of Batman and The Dark Knight than we actually did with Heath Ledger. So our concerns naturally gravitate towards that.

If you knew Heath personally, that is to say *not* through The Dark Knight, then yeah, if your concerns gravitated towards that film then that's ridiculous. But for the rest of us, we just didn't know Heath that well, and to hold us to the standard of as though we do, well that's just equally as ridiculous.

I don't see any of you "oh, respect the dead!" people mourning the loss of any of the other approximately 149,999 people who died yesterday, but you're sure getting all teary and emotional and indignant over Heath's death. Why is that? Are you such celebrity-obsessed assholes that you think Heath was "more important" than other, non-celebrity people? Or is it that you're such lonely fucks that you think that celebrities are part of your friends & family grouping because you see them more frequently than you do your own parents?

It's sad that an actor died. He was a good actor, too, which apparently makes it even more sad than if Jim Belushi were to die, for some reason. But it's not a fucking tragedy. He either had pneumonia or he popped pills, but he's just as dead either way and he ain't coming back. He ain't going to Heaven or Hell (mythological bullshit). He isn't "suffering" for his actions in life, and he's not smiling down at anyone from a fucking cloud, either. He's DEAD. His brain is shut off. The electrochemical processes that comprised the sum total of his thoughts and memories has ceased. He's a cold, empty shell now. He will be buried, feed the Earth, and be remembered for his contributions to society. End of story. He doesn't "go on" from here. He doesn't exist anymore. Heath Ledger, and 149,999 other people stopped existing yesterday.

I know some of you have a hard time facing death, but it's not so bad. Do you remember anything from before you were born or conceived? Anything at all? Think back. Think hard. Did not existing cause you to suffer at all before you were conceived? No? So why does it concern you and frighten you so much when you're alive to think that you will someday return to that state of non-existence? Why must you rant and rave and rail against it, to the point of getting in other people's faces and chastising them for dealing with death in their own way?

Fuck you for being so indignant and insisting I mourn a certain way, or a certain amount. He was a just a man, and he was in no way more important than the other 149,999 people who died on the same day as him.

You go ahead and mourn your way, and believe in your myths. I'll continue to believe that speculating on a human's afterlife just TRIVIALIZES and BELITTLES their actual life.

We have one shot, kids. Are you really going to spend it lecturing people about how they deal with the demise of someone NONE of us, save maybe for Harry himself, even knew personally?

Yeah. In the words of George Carlin, "Fuck you, you sanctimonious prick!"

(Now there's a man I'll drink to when he dies.)

Or the technical assistant to the head of wardrobe from Cleopatra that has Alzheimers.

All I can say is, thank god Slimer from Ghostbusters can't die again or he might be #3. He hasn't done anything since GB2.

And hey-- I watched Ledger's movies too, but I certainly don't feel a "connection" to him. He's a guy on the screen. I never even saw the REAL guy; Just the character he was playing at the time, whether it was the Joker, the gay cowboy, or the public persona-- None of those were Heathcliff, the man. So you'll have to excuse me when I say you have as much "connection" to Ledger as you do any of those other 149,999 people. The only difference is that their effect on the world perhaps wasn't seen by you DIRECTLY. You may have actually met one of them in person, though. You may have shared an elevator with one, or saw them in line at McDonald's. You may have called them an asshole when they cut you off in traffic.

I'm willing to bet that out of ALL the people who died yesterday, you had some personal interaction with one of them at some point in your life, or were directly affected by decisions they made. I'm willing to bet that one person (maybe more) had more of an direct effect on your life than Heath Ledger ever did.

All I'm saying here is that it takes a lot of nerve to tell me how and when and how much I should mourn, when you're not willing to take the same advice yourself.

I liked the guy as an actor and regret that I won't be able to enjoy any more of his work. If you see anything more than that, you either knew him personally, or you have social issues.

I have plenty of perspective on death. I've seen more corpses in my life than most people see on TV. Please don't insult me by insinuating that I wouldn't know how to deal with mortality. I've got a pretty good grasp on it. It's all the people who can't accept that death is real and final, and must make up some "afterlife" that aren't coping with death.

You want bravado? Try washing your girlfriend's blood and cerebral fluid from your hands after watching her die in the street before the ambulance could arrive. I've got all the bravado and perspective on death I'll ever need, Internet tough guy.

I don't know which group sucks the most. Is it the attention-whoring cretins who try to be as offensive as possible simply to piss as many people off as they can? Is it the empathy-deficient moral guardians going for the cheap points in order to elevate themselves? Or is it possibly the chronic relativists who habitually present something which is always bigger, worse or more tragic in order to undermine the empathy of others and give themselves an excuse to not care about anything? The latter group is particularly odious as they will say things amounting to "Why feel bad for Ledger when hundreds of thousands of people die every day" and in the process trivialize and cheapen the deaths of those very same hundreds of thousands in order to "win" an internet argument and make themselves feel better about not giving a shit about anything.

Ah, who am I kidding - you all fucking suck.

Get a grip. It's not that anyone doesn't think his death is tragic. (In fact, every death is tragic, so people saying "it's a tragedy"...it's kind of redundant.) But those asking for a moratorium on Heath movie news and chiding us for wanting info are moronic fucking douchebags.

A fucking vile performance for AICN.

Obits/ remembrance TB's should be one RIP post and then you fuck off to argue elsewhere. You shouldn't post thousands of combatitve sentences to try to either out cynic or out mourn everyone else.

A new low.

Does that refer to the stress of playing a fictional homicidal comic character or the meds?

I'm slightly curious how Heath's Joker will measure up to Jack's whose performance was the best thing about 1989's Batman.

What's fucked up is TDK's box office results will be shot through the roof due to ppl having a morbid curiosity of Ledger's last finished role.