also, star wars > star trek

it had to be said...

Warp 11 (Star Trek Band) @ Concert in the Park last summer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yXxA0mR29us

STINO!

QUICK ANSWER: NO.

now, some talkbackers have mentioned that, according to their trek encyclopedias, the first enterprise was built piece by piece on earth, then the pieces were sent to some atmospheric station for full assembly. Harry does that make you feel better?

all kidding aside, every great sci-fi ship was built on a planet; the falcon, the sdf-1, the ship HAL ran, and now clearly the enterprise.

also, how do we know its actually being built on earth? maybe its inside of some orbital station? I didn't see any futuristic fast food drive-throughs in the background so who knows?

and, honestly, is it really worth getting upset about? I've noticed a few people complaining about it, yes you harry are included, but hey, SO WHAT? does it REALLY matter? no in the end it doesn't. let's just be happy the movie doesn't include clones of picard or cigar-shaped ships angry there are no more whales on earth.

now I'm asking for the last time...is it a lion or is it huge or both?

in other news, I'm a bit surprised starfleet is using bluecollar workers with lowtech welding torches to built the most famous ship in the galaxy. plus I thought the vulcans had something to do w/the enterprise's construction or technology? superfans what say you?

Now I couldn't give a shit...I wanted to throw out canon and reboot with a Klingon War trilogy, but what pisses me off is that the overrated hacks, Abrams and Orci are essentially lying when they say they're sticking to canon...and I hate liars.

So if you want to discuss what is and what is not actually canon, I think when Gene Roddenberry specifically states that the Enterprise was built in space and not on any planet, well I kinda think Gene Roddenberry is the actual FONT of all things Star Trek Canon - wouldn't you?

although oddly enough I read a review of cloverfield in the weekly standard

now someone above said the enterprise is too large to manuever in an atmosphere. hmmm...not sure about that one, considering according to the chart on wikipedia its roughly the size of an aircraft carrier. and if memory serves the sdf-1 was a mile long and yet took from macross island just fine.

until it accidentally folded and took all of the island with it into deep space. uh hmm...looks like I shot myself in the foot with that one.

nevertheless, the trailer's got all of geekdom, from austin to austria, talking about this movie, and it doesn't come out for a year. so congrats abrams, you've done it again.

Yeah, that's when Khan blasted the Enterprise. Everyone should be glad he's doing Priceline commercials instead of commanding the Enterprise.

...Doesn't mean they are making the RIGHT decisions. In fact, let's be honest and have a little REALITY check here. A little bucket of cold water thrown into the face. History in both movies and comics has long since proven and shown that usually -- accent on usually -- that most "changes in a much-beloved franchise" were actually made with a financial bottom line in mind (ie. a gimmicky sales hook to boost revenue) and NOT a true artistic purpose or goal.

for me that was the most compelling part of his post which dealt neither with the movie or abrams.

so again, mori, cleanup on aisle three please.

Honestly, who gives a shit. I agree. We don't need a prequel about Kirk and crew. We don't need anymore damn Prequels. Stop it. Bad Hollywood! They are obviously going to offend the old guard and I doubt they'll bring on any new followers. JJ would be more successful waiting by the ticket counter and begging me for $10.75

get your starfleets-accredited associates degree in just 18 months in space vessel welding and general assembly. financial assistance for those who qualify.

A lot of people consider Nemesis to be the absolute nadir of Trek entertainment. This is not so, for there is nothing Trekkish which exceeds the sheer shittitude of Insurrection. My God, that movie has nothing, and I mean NOTHING, going for it. An absolutely ghastly cuntburger of a film from beginning to end.

Nemesis, a mediocre and fairly entertaining film, is like fucking Empire Strikes Back compared to Insurrection. Not even Anthony Zerbe can make it right.

If it had been F. Murray Abraham I wouldn't have hesitated.

But yeah, good teaser, I give him that.

It seems his time has come yet he is conspicuously absent.

As for contacting Nick Meyer, the best that Bob could do is rip off some of his old script ideas or take old plot points from Meyer's films and weave them into his Starfleet Academy script (kind of like what Orci does with all his work).

The problem with a city like Manhattan is that your routes are completely limited to a relative handful of accessways and, combined with the sheer numbers of people, you can forget about going anywhere fast. The sheer conjestion of pannicky people will preven you from doing anything but walking, bike or no. Honestly, there are just too many factors to dictate what you should or shouldn't do. Such escape plans like boat theft, bridge v. tunnel and which bridge to take, are completely dependent upon weather, conjestion of people, and said monster, that your best shot might actually be to stick it out.

He would show us the way!

BTW as I posted in the other Trek TB, the ship building scene borrows heavily from STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE.

Although, I'm not sure how involved J.J. is on Lost. He's a co-created and he's directed a couple of episodes but is it really his show? Other than Lost I'm actually pretty unfamiliar with his work. I tried to watch Alias once but I couldn't really get into it, and while MI3 was the best of the series, I thought the first two sucked so he had a very low hurdle. All in all, I don't think J.J. has yet to really knock one out of the park.

On a side note, you should have seen the amount of hair I pulled out when dealing with my M-16 back in the mid 80s. I'm still pissed about it...

I guess its hard to keep up for a two hour feature. Thats what she said.

Holy fucking Jebus, this is bad even by Trek nerd standards. You're right -- it would be much better to have more pap like Insurrection and Nemesis but be true to canon, because THAT'S what matters, right? Fucking A.

Personally, I'm just worried about the story being good. They could build the Enterprise at an abandoned Ford factory in Michigan for all it fucking matters.

If I were them, I'd really wind you losers up with the next trailer. Maybe show Spock getting a knobber or something. It'd be interesting to see how many simultaneous aneurysms occurred.

The trailer is a metaphor for the FILM ITSELF being put together.

The ship in the film will not be built by 21st century welders, OF COURSE.

Now can we get over this nitpicking of what is, must I remind everyone, a YEAR EARLY teaser trailer. It's simply designed to tell people that didn't know that a new Star Trek movie is coming.

My point is that this is such a tiny, trivial thing that it's insane to get all worked up over it. My point is that IF it's a terrific movie, nobody will really give a fuck where the damned ship was built except for sad losers, and if the movie sucks, it won't matter where the ship was built.

Get some fucking perspective.