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Ever wanted to see the Enterprise being built? Here ya go, compliments of JJ Abrams!

TURBINES? by Bill Clay	Jan 17th, 2008 02:34:28 PM
The engines have turbines?
Pretty sweet by Count Magpyre	Jan 17th, 2008 02:34:36 PM
That is a pretty cool looking pic
very nice by isispop	Jan 17th, 2008 02:35:37 PM
'nuff said.
BTW.... by Bill Clay	Jan 17th, 2008 02:35:48 PM
That better not be Area 51. Just saying.
too small by Ray Gamma	Jan 17th, 2008 02:38:06 PM
your penis is too small
Needs more flames and silver... by blindambition238	Jan 17th, 2008 02:38:13 PM
Someone was gonna say it
Sweet Fancy Moses! by cutest_of_borg	Jan 17th, 2008 02:38:25 PM
Bee-yoo-tee-ful!
they forgot the Taint Capacitor by Ray Gamma	Jan 17th, 2008 02:39:12 PM
and the chocolate-covered dilithium juice
Ain't it boring news by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 02:39:17 PM
We've seen pictures like this before. It's not a big deal at all. Maybe it was better in the trailer.
Paint job should be last? by jeffv	Jan 17th, 2008 02:39:18 PM
Just sayin'... would you get out the Letraset and stencil on the pretty decals before you'd put it all together? :-)
blindambition238 by DarthFloyd	Jan 17th, 2008 02:39:41 PM
You forgot to add nipples onto the nacelles also!
Yeah, that's the new Enterprise by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 17th, 2008 02:39:42 PM
before they paint it royal blue with red racing flames
Checking this against my blueprints... by LordPorkington	Jan 17th, 2008 02:40:38 PM
...it appears they have the starboard toilets in the wrong place. Oh wait, I just remembered, nobody gives a shit!
Timelines? by DangerMan	Jan 17th, 2008 02:41:13 PM
I remember and reading the Enterprise was built in space? So, does this confirm that Area 51 stuff?
Pretty FX do not trump vapidly pretty actors by gruntybear	Jan 17th, 2008 02:41:25 PM
The FX in this craptrocity in the making were never the concern. It's the tiny 90210 actors who no one can see reprising these classic roles that bring much consternation. Give us a shot of the main cast in costume and hey, maybe all will be forgiven. But until that time, I'm treating this new Trek like the Terminator franchise is treating "T3": it didn't fucking happen.
Fuckin Sweet! by That 70s Venom	Jan 17th, 2008 02:47:19 PM
These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise... to boldy go where no man has gone before... dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun
I'm not worried.... by Brians Life	Jan 17th, 2008 02:48:43 PM
Trek has been needing a re-intro for a while now, if anything just to give it a chance outside of the cult following. Grunty....Simon Pegg, Zachary Quinto, Urban...these are GOOD ACTIORS. Get over it. NO ONE WORRY ABOUT THE COSTUMES as they look JUST LIKE the original, only a bit darker....also, the women have bee-hive like hairdo's and the design is VERY 60's. Just saying...I'm not worried.
COOL! by sirbroiler	Jan 17th, 2008 02:49:07 PM
Looks good - I'm sure Shatner has nacelle envy!
Looks Like Lost In Space by Frodo T. Baggins	Jan 17th, 2008 02:49:30 PM
But not in space? Curious...hmmm Heard the Vulcans are building it. As a favor...
Needs Some Truck Nuts by Frodo T. Baggins	Jan 17th, 2008 02:51:57 PM
And a "Who Farted?" Bumper sticker
My turd-O-meter may go apeshit about this movie... by SpencerTrilby	Jan 17th, 2008 02:53:11 PM
I gotta admit this is looking good from an artistic direction POV.
Continuity.... by Brians Life	Jan 17th, 2008 02:54:15 PM
This movie IS going to enflame the core fans...of which I consider myself. I hear they are trouncing on alot of continuity...like that Robert April and Pike never commanded the Enterprise...it goes right to Kirk after construction. All I want is a good Star Trek movie...haven't had one of them in a while. Peace. But I hear that Zach Quinto is doing a DEAD ON Nimoy.
Hey boss... by metaluna	Jan 17th, 2008 02:54:29 PM
...we fucked up. The toilets are supposed to be next to the games room. Think they'll notice? :D
Well, gruntybear by TheLastCleric	Jan 17th, 2008 02:56:04 PM
It's not as if the original ST cast was comprised of brilliant actors. Also, Shatner was most definitely a pretty boy in his prime, when the original show aired. I'm not a huge Abrams fan nor am I sure this reboot will actually work, but I'm curious how this will turn out.
Atomic Batteries to power....Turbines to speed..... by BetaRayBill07	Jan 17th, 2008 02:57:06 PM
It does look cool though.
That's so awesome. by viola123	Jan 17th, 2008 02:57:44 PM
I really am curious about this movie and think it can be very cool. "Can." I hope it is. There's a teaser before "Cloverfield"? I hope it goes online soon after! :)
Theres Something On The Wing... by Frodo T. Baggins	Jan 17th, 2008 02:57:50 PM
Some....THING! ...wait...a jet engine
um, Brians Life... by omarthesnake	Jan 17th, 2008 02:58:24 PM
considering that they DO have Captain Pike in the cast, what do you think they're gonna do, have him look at the ship and whine "I wish i was gettin' that one..."? As for Robert April, since the animated continuity doesnt really count, neither does he. though it would be a nice nod.
Flames on Enterprise by BetaRayBill07	Jan 17th, 2008 02:59:01 PM
You knew it was coming.
Turbines and Assembly by JML9999	Jan 17th, 2008 02:59:45 PM
1) In TOS The 1701 Nacelles had some sort of Spinning Impeller 2) Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual from 1976 indicated that the Ship was constructed in San Francisco Disasembled shipped into orbit and Final reassembly in orbit.
JML9999 by Frodo T. Baggins	Jan 17th, 2008 03:02:22 PM
Was that from one of the movies? Or script? & If they were infact constructed by the gays. Wheres the Turbine nipples and fabulous VW symbol on it?
There she is..NCC 1701 by Lost Skeleton	Jan 17th, 2008 03:04:24 PM
I love it!
JML9999 by Falcon5768	Jan 17th, 2008 03:04:25 PM
Also "The Counter-Clock Incident" has Robert April (first captain of the Enterprise) also stating that the Enterprise main components where built at the San Fransisco Navy Yards. Its one of those facts that fandom mutated just like Spock was the first Vulcan in starfleet (despite the Intrepid being a ship entirely crewed by Vulcans.)
lastcleric: the difference being . . . by gruntybear	Jan 17th, 2008 03:07:09 PM
No one would have ever mistaken Shatner in his Trek-prime for a just out of high school "boy;" whereas Chris Pine screams, "I just arrived from my CW Network casting call. Where's my copy of Blender, my hair mousse and my bottle o' rub-on bronzer?" I doubt Pine could throw a convincing two-fisted punch to the back of the neck of a brawling Klingdom. Dome-ridged or not.
Fucking dreamed about that last night, wierd. by Mysterious Yobo	Jan 17th, 2008 03:07:38 PM
the fucking thing was flying here there and everywhere. it was cooler than that though, because it was cartoon and had strawberries.
Frodo T. Baggins by JML9999	Jan 17th, 2008 03:07:38 PM
Frodo T. Baggins http://www.amazon.com/gp/reade r/0345340744/ref=sib_dp_pt/105 -4775435-1037201#reader-link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T he_Star_Trek_Star_Fleet_Techni cal_Manual
Well at least Simon Pegg should be interesting by Knobules	Jan 17th, 2008 03:08:40 PM
Id see it just for Shaun being Scotty. And Sylar as Spock. The rest can go back to slumming it with Paris Hilton.
pretty fucking small. thought it was goin 2b MASSIVE by Mysterious Yobo	Jan 17th, 2008 03:08:58 PM
like caps MASSIVE. no BIGGER than that.
Galvatron's ship looks cooler. by GibsonUSA	Jan 17th, 2008 03:09:51 PM

er by Fortunesfool	Jan 17th, 2008 03:09:55 PM
JJ Abrahms made Mission Impossible 3. It was a terrible film. This has been written by a couple of geeks who think that cramming it full of Star Trek injokes will make it a good film. You never get a fan to make a Star Trek film. Doesn't work. Nicholas Meyer didnt like it.
90210 actors were like 27 yrs old in high school by GibsonUSA	Jan 17th, 2008 03:11:15 PM

Pretty impressive.... by Sad_Lieutenant	Jan 17th, 2008 03:14:02 PM
too bad they made baffling casting choices.
I take that back. Forgot about Eric Bana. by Knobules	Jan 17th, 2008 03:14:30 PM
yeah, hes cool. And his name sounds like bananas.
It's a lion! It's huge! by tough_times	Jan 17th, 2008 03:15:05 PM
Sorry, I'll go on a 10 minute joke restriction.
was a good teaser by messi	Jan 17th, 2008 03:16:01 PM
looking forward to this.
Great design! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Jan 17th, 2008 03:17:29 PM
It looks like this film might be a little more of an Earth-centric story now, huh? I'm excited!
looks beautiful by HoLyWooD444	Jan 17th, 2008 03:18:13 PM
can't wait for this
This will be great by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollyw ood	Jan 17th, 2008 03:19:10 PM
This is a big Budget star trek film! That picture looks great; the ship has the old body, but the details, the textures, the lighting... JJ will be bringing the old ship to the future & throwing a mass of new FX at it. It will be a massive leap forward. Bring on the new actors I say... it will be refreshing to see new faces. I'm definitely looking forward to it!
I'm with you 100% Fortunesfool by SpencerTrilby	Jan 17th, 2008 03:19:21 PM
where's Boborci when you need a punching bag?
So a 20-something becomes captain of the Enterprise??? by Bong	Jan 17th, 2008 03:19:44 PM
Wasnt Kirk in his mid 30's when he took command? Now he gets command straight out of Starfleet?
Mysterious Yobo-Size does matter by JML9999	Jan 17th, 2008 03:20:04 PM
The Pre-Refit 1701 Was listed in the Star Trek Tech Manuals at 947 Feet which is over 3 football fields.
I'm gonna watch STAR TREK XI in my front room... by Vamp-AICNchat	Jan 17th, 2008 03:20:26 PM
...with Mr Motivator and Keith Orville.
HEY FRODO CONSTRUCTED BY THE GAYS IS HILARIOUS! by Deus Vult	Jan 17th, 2008 03:21:27 PM
Hands-down one of the absolute funniest presumed unintentional spelling errors I've EVER read on this site or anywhere for that matter. forget the news that bernanke is lowering interest rates and the market's in the toilet, THIS enterprise constructed by the GAYS is the news of the day! where's nice gaius with a song when you need him?
And they give command of this vessel to fresh graduates... by conspiracy	Jan 17th, 2008 03:22:07 PM
riiiiiight. MBAs who don't run like scared bunnies and try to turn hero in Cloverfield.. People who survive a 747 breaking apart at 40K ft. And now A pimply faced crew given command of a brand new starship. JJ..at least make plausible fantasy..really put SOME sense of the "real" into it. However..at least with ILM on the job we know the effects won't suck.
Looks awesome by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 03:22:08 PM
This will be a top 3 favorite movie of this year.
I HOPE THE PHASERS WILL BE SET ON by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION	Jan 17th, 2008 03:22:23 PM
TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
Wait and see by The Bandit	Jan 17th, 2008 03:22:40 PM
I think this film is more for the passive fan. Everybody knows about Star Trek but dont know or give a fuck about cannon. And as a passive fan I have to say I'm interested in the new Trek. I think some of the cast is great, and we shouldnt worry about the names we know. Pine and the like I'm not sold on yet. None of us can really say till it hits. Remember the hate for Craig as Bond? Look how that turned out. For now I'm taking the wait and see approach.
As long as the Captain is not bald again. by GibsonUSA	Jan 17th, 2008 03:24:38 PM
I cannot follow a leader who is bald.
can you use turbines in space? by AmericanMovieFan	Jan 17th, 2008 03:24:38 PM
Maybe i suck at science and physics, etc. -which is a very distinct and real possibility- but how could turbines work in space with no air and thus no wind?
Oh wait...maybe I missed the joke here Frodo... by Deus Vult	Jan 17th, 2008 03:26:09 PM
in reading all this area 51 construction stuff I figured everyone was alluding to the fact that the 1701 was built by the gRays in a51. so when I read your post I assumed you left out the R. but now that I read the entire post I wonder if I got this all wrong? oh who cares? I think the pic looks awesome. I'll see the movie regardless of whether the ship was built by gays, grays or laser rays.
Bong, I believe Kirk was made a captain at by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 03:26:13 PM
age 32. I don't think it was ever mentioned in any of the shows, it was one of the books which as entertaining as they are, are considered non-canon. The Trek Encyclopedia may have something else to say on the matter. It is interesting that Kirk was the youngest captain in the history of starfleet until the one who, well I forget her name, but she made an appearance in TNG along with The Hills Have Eyes guy. It mentioned she broke Kirk's record, then she was killed the same episode. If you remember it was a first season episode where those little scorpion/crayfish things were taking over the bodies of starfleet officers.
1997: Nipples on the batsuit... by Kid Z	Jan 17th, 2008 03:26:20 PM
... = 2008: Turbines on the nacelles!
ships get built in orbit by aestheticity	Jan 17th, 2008 03:27:56 PM
this films going to shit on anyone who knows anything about star trek. whether that will make it successful or not is an open matter. if i was in it for the money id fuck with the whole thing endlessly to appeal to a different audience as well. do you know i dont believe ive ever seen a trek film in the cinema? this wont change that unless i hear great things.
MAN ITS BEEN TOO LONG SINCE I'VE READ TALKBACKS by Deus Vult	Jan 17th, 2008 03:28:17 PM
and I've REALLY missed that hilarious total fucking destruction guy. so good to see the recession hasn't slowed you down.
Can't wait to see this... by 69DUDE	Jan 17th, 2008 03:28:48 PM
on Paramount Blu-Ray Disc! ;)
turbines by HEADGEEK	Jan 17th, 2008 03:29:54 PM
you knuckle heads ever seen star trek? In the nacelles - there was always things turning - those are not turbines as we know them - and the cover that goes OVER them are not in place yet. that said - I think the Enterprise being built on Earth is RETARDED.
I like Pegg But I think Nick Frost would have been better by xmanse	Jan 17th, 2008 03:30:01 PM
Out of the two, they probably hired Pegg because all Americans think Scottish people are ginger.
This has been on............... by RoarsLoudly	Jan 17th, 2008 03:30:04 PM
perezhilton.com since this morning. You folks are getting sloooooow!
Age and Cannon by JML9999	Jan 17th, 2008 03:32:04 PM
Most Sources list the Age of Kirk taking command at between 29-31. Assuming He Graduated at 23 and the USS Farragut his first Assignment not counting the time he spent on the USS Republic while still at the Academy.
Pegg as Scotty is a gimmick casting in my opinion by Vamp-AICNchat	Jan 17th, 2008 03:32:44 PM
Thoughts?
Can an Enterprise land on earth? by GibsonUSA	Jan 17th, 2008 03:32:48 PM
In so it should be able to take off from earth, right? Which would make assembly in space completely cost prohibitive and bad business, right?
Harry... by Vamp-AICNchat	Jan 17th, 2008 03:33:40 PM
...how do you feel about Perez Hilton replacing you as the nets most famous blogger? It pisses me off!!!
Why can't the Enterprise be built on Earth? by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 03:33:40 PM
It's a nice tie to Zefram Cochrane's warp ship that was built on Earth.
They're not turbines by rev_skarekroe	Jan 17th, 2008 03:34:03 PM
They're, um... Gravometric... hyperspatial... velocity tachyon thrusters. Yeah, that's the ticket.
KHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN by Pipple	Jan 17th, 2008 03:35:49 PM
Wrath of khan will still be the best star trek movie ever made. This won't even be able to surpass a hair on its balls. That movie was just too good folks... a damn masterpiece. yeah i said it. But go ahead and try.
Well, at least it still has a saucer and 2 nacelles by zillabeast	Jan 17th, 2008 03:36:37 PM
Orci and Kurtzman tho....ugh.
Grammaton Cleric Binks by JML9999	Jan 17th, 2008 03:37:20 PM
Tryla Scott the TNG episode Conspiracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C onspiracy_(TNG_episode)
Jesus, those ARE Gabe Korener by zillabeast	Jan 17th, 2008 03:40:17 PM

Vamp-AICNchat Pegg as Scotty by JML9999	Jan 17th, 2008 03:40:38 PM
See Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead Simon gives great Flustered.
Jesus, those ARE Gabe Koerner’s nacelles by zillabeast	Jan 17th, 2008 03:41:16 PM
The saucer is different tho. Incorperates elements, thats for certain.
YIPEEE!! STAR TREK teaser on YouTube - At last!! by Vamp-AICNchat	Jan 17th, 2008 03:42:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2i1Mdhuj4uk
Roddenberry was not above a little stunt casting... by Scar Gordon	Jan 17th, 2008 03:43:11 PM
Many of the guest stars on TOS were "flavor of the day" picked from among the contract players, and when he brought one in from outside they were often cheese- or beefcake pinups. I remember my Mom watching every second of Space Seed because of Montalban and ignoring every other episode.
by Omar B	Jan 17th, 2008 03:44:02 PM
It looks great but I have the same issue about it being built on earth, we'll see how they play that.
Gruntybear, you have a point... by TheLastCleric	Jan 17th, 2008 03:44:48 PM
However one can hope that these "actors" will live up to the title. Maybe spend some time in the gym, get a different haircut, etc. Or, they could suck something fierce. Hopefully they understand the gravity of the iconic shoes they are stepping into.
JML9999... by Vamp-AICNchat	Jan 17th, 2008 03:45:25 PM
...Pegg is a very good comedic type actor... but he isn't a very good actor - now he's with the big boys - Eric Bana. His cameo in MI:3 was another gimmick, JJ must of love SOTD.
Speaking of Trek and Irish/English movies by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 03:46:04 PM
I just watched The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill and Came Down a Mountain last night. Colm Meaney was in it and was great as ususal. I'm glad he never got typecast as O'Brien. The movie was okay, it had it's moments, but I've seen better Irish/English comedy. I still haven't gotten around to Waking Ned Devine for some reason.
I'm confused by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 03:47:22 PM
in the teaser trailer is the Enterprise being constructed on EARTH?? Whathafuk? I thought that all of the starships were constructed in space due to their size making it cost prohibitive to build, much less have them take off from a planet's surface.
Thank you JJ... by fractureJonze	Jan 17th, 2008 03:47:51 PM
...for messing up star trek. Just kidding! Looks cool.
you guys are bitching about a ship being built on earth by Kloipy	Jan 17th, 2008 03:49:14 PM
at least they aren't saving the fucking whales in this one
COLM MEANEY PLAYED A WELSHMAN IN THAT FILM!! by xmanse	Jan 17th, 2008 03:49:52 PM

Building in space would be cheaper? by GibsonUSA	Jan 17th, 2008 03:51:34 PM
Having to haul all that stuff up there, much less the labor costs of building it in a zero gravity/air environment? Do they contract out stuff (like the turbines), or is it all in-house? Why would there be a significant cost in taking off from earth? It would be doing that regardless in the future (landing and taking off)right?
It's supposed to be built on Earth & assembled in space by Rickey Henderson	Jan 17th, 2008 03:53:15 PM
How freaking hard is it to get that right? Bleh. Still, the ship does look pretty awesome.
Building in Space by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 03:55:36 PM
The way I always understood it, the ships were so massive that they needed zero gravity to get the thing put together. And as far as I can recall, starships never actually landed on a planet. (they crashed a couple of times on one though) They used shuttlecraft and transporters to move people and equipment from place to place.
Sundancekeed is no Voyager fan obviously by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 03:59:55 PM
One of the better episodes, Voyager landed on a planet where they met Amelia Earhart, and other cryogenically preserved 20th century popsicles grabbed by some aliens.
Rickey, by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 04:01:19 PM
That's why I was asking if the ship was being ASSEMBLED on Earth. Sounds like that's what Harry is bitching about. No one was saying the thing was manufactured in space.
Food Nipples? by Limulus Polyphemus	Jan 17th, 2008 04:02:37 PM
The turbine-like things are fine as long as they get coverings. Here is something from youtube showing both original and remastered versions of the original. Both have moving components behind the nacelle caps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =3l44Xrsgonw&feature=related Can't really get on board with the whole "being built on Earth" thing though.
Never watched Voyager. by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 04:02:52 PM
Believe it or not, when it was first run, my cable system didn't carry UPN. And was Voyager a full size starship? It always looked smaller to me.
I can just imagine... by onephatnelly	Jan 17th, 2008 04:03:03 PM
...the jizz on the monitor of the average Star Trek anorak :oÞ
Xmanse, didn't mean any offense. by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:05:29 PM
Sounds like you must be from Europe, or better educated than I on the geography. England is called England, Great Britain, Britain, The United Kingdom, and the truth is most of us yanks don't know what the differences in the names mean if anything. Meaney's character was Welsh, as you say, but isn't Wales part of Great Britain, or am I just woefully uninformed. I mean Charles is the Prince of Wales so it's all rather confusing to non-Brits, or me at least. I guess I could go on wikipedia and educate myself, but I thought I'd give you first crack.
So what? by Nordberg	Jan 17th, 2008 04:05:41 PM
Maybe building the Enterprise on Earth was a gigantic fucking disaster, so they started building them in space? I don't understand why this is a problem.
CAPTAIN PIKE? by Staldo	Jan 17th, 2008 04:05:45 PM
Did somebody say that captain Pike is going to be in this? For the longest time as a kid, I only had "The Cage" pilot episode on video, and that was my only exposure to TOS, so I thought Pike was the shit and when I finally saw reruns of the rest of the series I was like, "who is this Kirk fool?" Anyway, it would be cool if Pike allowed Kirk to take control on a whim, and then Kirk got his ass booted to a lesser ship at the end of the movie, with the understanding that he had a good track record with the Enterprise should the Captain position ever become open...
Relax by abelkane3434	Jan 17th, 2008 04:08:28 PM
the ship looks cool. We should all be reserving most judgements til we get a true trailer and more stills. as for the casting, someone above metioned Daniel Craig, a lot of people gave that reboot a bitch slapping before it came out and it turned out to be one of the best Bond films ever. Also, even though Star Trek has a large cult following the generla public finds Trek pretty boring these days and it is not on most people radar. This film does not erase the earlier works. We need to let this film stand on its own merits.
Voyager is an Intrepid-Class starship by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:09:12 PM
I don't know how big that makes it, but it would be smaller than the Galaxy Class and Sovereign Class. I think this was the one and only time it landed, so I guess it's the one and only time any starship landed. I could be wrong on that though. If you recall though, Star Trek IV had a great landing sequence albeit a Klingon ship. Voyager was not a perfect show, but I rather liked it. The let's screw around with time episodes, and there were a lot of them, were my favorites.
Harry's right by monorail77	Jan 17th, 2008 04:09:33 PM
Good call, big guy. Pic looks cool to me. I actually thought, on first sight, that this was just a pic of guys building a big set. But I guess its supposed to be an "in-movie" shot? I dunno. And what's all this talk of Area 51? Please explain.
Grammaton Cleric Binks by xmanse	Jan 17th, 2008 04:09:48 PM
No worries dude.Wales is the bit on mid west coast of England that pops out. Meaney is Southern Irish which is nothing to do with the UK.They have the EURO,we don't.They can also dance.We can't. Being Welsh sucks. But at least I'm not English. HaHaHa.
Good point Staldo, Pike was by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:11:11 PM
captain of the Enterprise before Kirk. Although non-canon since it was the cartoon, I believe Robert April was the first captain of the Enterprise. JJ Abrams is going non-canon on this I bet. If there's time travel involved he'll just pass it off as things changed.
Not a problem, by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 04:12:04 PM
But to people who watched (most of) the shows and the movies, it seemed they were always built in space. Plus, these things were so damned big that it would make sense if the Federation was that technologically advanced that that would be the way to go. Just one of those things that doesn't mean anything except to geeks like us who're killing some time.
Karl Urban? by xmanse	Jan 17th, 2008 04:13:41 PM
Anyone reckon Urban can do Southern Gent Accent?
ENTERPRISE PAINT by RicCage	Jan 17th, 2008 04:14:48 PM
Shouldn't they have painted on the word Enterprise AFTER they finished building it? Also, this movie is going to blow. Take iconic characters and re-cast them? The whole reason they were iconic is because of who played them. Now, again, it's 90210 Star Trek...just like the JLA movie would have been.
Grammaton, you're right about.... by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 04:16:08 PM
Star Trek lV. It was a Klingon Bird of Prey and while considerably smaller than a conventional starship, it was big enough to comfortably house a couple of whales as I recall.
See Xmanse, that's what I mean by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:16:21 PM
Us Yanks just don't get it. You're Welsh, but Wales is part of England, but you're not English (At least it looks like that's what you're saying.) I guess that's like someone from Texas saying they're Texan. I dunno. See in the U.S. we have the 50 states, but really don't differentiate. Texas is one of the few exeptions. By the way, I'm half-Irish on my Dad's side. He's your typical full blooded,hot-headed meat and potatoes alcoholic Irishman except he was born in the states. I really should do some more research on my heritage.
Star Trek Begins by Diagnostic	Jan 17th, 2008 04:18:17 PM
Cool. I am having nacelles for diner with white wine.
HILARIOUS. CHECK THIS OUT by abelkane3434	Jan 17th, 2008 04:19:08 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2bualj Check out this recut Dark Knight trailer on youtube. Thi s is comedy gold.
Welsh people rule! I should know, I'm Irish! by EvilGeek1	Jan 17th, 2008 04:19:53 PM

What are the alternatives? by malificus	Jan 17th, 2008 04:20:38 PM
Think a minute. There was no Trek content out there AT ALL, and the most recent stuff has been steadily declining. We get film-sized effects, JJ Abrams (would you rather have Kevin Smith?) and best of all it's based on the Original Series! GOTTA be worth a trip to the cinema-hold me! IMAX!
For the record,I find Romulans dull as Shit. by xmanse	Jan 17th, 2008 04:21:31 PM
If they are in this they are just so boring."Ooh,we're like Vulcans but with less supressed emotions and a bit suspicious". I'm still looking forward to the film though. Oh, apart from Chekov is 12.
Bruce Greenwood as Pike by Staldo	Jan 17th, 2008 04:21:31 PM
Bruce Greenwood is playing Pike. Seems pretty old compared to a lot of the cast. In the past he has played presidents, including Kennedy.(he also played Jack Dunphy in Capote) I'll bet Pike gets killed, unfortunately, hopefully not by those morphing time aliens from Enterprise.
The Enterprise is built at Area 86... by Darth_Inedible	Jan 17th, 2008 04:22:53 PM
'Area 86, the sprawling Federation techno-metropolis that grew from the US government's secret Area 51 base in Nevada was founded by Admiral George T. Kirk in 2159.' - actual script excerpt
Staldo, unless JJ violates the temporal by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:24:28 PM
directive, Pike doesn't die. Pike is alive and well in TOS err um well alive anyway. Beep once if you understand me, and twice if you don't.
Darth_Inedible - what Script? by monorail77	Jan 17th, 2008 04:25:59 PM
What script is that taken from?
2nd Too Small by KentButabi	Jan 17th, 2008 04:26:16 PM
It looks the scale of ENTERPRISE, a mighty fine show! That said, it looks like a cross between the ST:TOS and ST:TMP. They are 1 and 1 so far!
Fukin' love Harwood by EvilGeek1	Jan 17th, 2008 04:26:24 PM
But my favorite out of the three (you know who I'm talking about) is still Dean Haglund. I look like the guy for fucks sake (hair shorter though).
Enterprise on Earth? by captain_kirk	Jan 17th, 2008 04:26:46 PM
What about utopia planatia? also, how does the ship get into the air, if it has no landing gear or runway capacity?
Greewood! Damn it! by EvilGeek1	Jan 17th, 2008 04:26:48 PM

I'm so stupid... by EvilGeek1	Jan 17th, 2008 04:27:39 PM

Pass by Gungan Slayer	Jan 17th, 2008 04:28:00 PM
As much as I've wanted Trek to get some new blood and all, and do not like the direction that this film is taking. Not one bit.
TURBINES.... by Demode	Jan 17th, 2008 04:28:40 PM
TURBINES make sense. In the 60's show, it was pretty clear that there were turbines moving inside the domes. Once the domes are on it will look right. As for the ship being built on Earth... I believe PARTS of the ship where built on Earth, and shipped to space. And it is "cannon" that the saucer section can land on planets. The classic ship actually has landing gear!
EvilGeek1 - hahaha by monorail77	Jan 17th, 2008 04:29:06 PM
Mixin up your Canadian Bruces, my friend! I like both, but I prefer Greenwood. I also like Haglund. Who was the short guy? He looks like Brent Butt from Corner Gas, no?
...and yes, it's got a HEMI. by shagdrum	Jan 17th, 2008 04:29:11 PM

Deus Vult by Frodo T. Baggins	Jan 17th, 2008 04:29:25 PM
It was built in San Francisco. IE, built by the Gays. And it looks FEARCE!!!
I Just Got a Blue Ray.... by Chevron_Engaged	Jan 17th, 2008 04:30:37 PM
That Picture looks grainy. Aside from my audio visual snootiness. I am sticked for this trailer. Will this pic prompt anothger jelous tirade out of the Shat?
hey para hurry up and go blu ya shitheads by skiff	Jan 17th, 2008 04:31:07 PM
I really wana go see this but will not as long as shit for brains paramount support the format war. Wake the fuck up its over. you are doing nothing but luring people who don't know any better to a dead format. Your embarrassing yourself and making a fool of startrek.
by boogiefamily456	Jan 17th, 2008 04:31:59 PM
harry's wheelchair??
harry's wheelchair? by boogiefamily456	Jan 17th, 2008 04:32:33 PM
harry's wheelchair?
Area 86? WTF is that shit? by zillabeast	Jan 17th, 2008 04:33:14 PM
Dude if you are dead on with that, I'm gonna club a baby seal. Fuck that, I'm clubbing a hundred.
warp nacelles and landing gear by captain_kirk	Jan 17th, 2008 04:36:55 PM
I am aware that it has been theorized that the saucer could land separately--but let's face it...TOS never established that. Also, even if it could land, then the saucer is dead...like that fateful moment in ST:Generations when Will Riker said, "Deanna, take the helm!" The saucer can't do more than crash land...it can't take back off.
Kirk does it at warp speed by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 04:36:59 PM
I kind of hope Enterprise will be at least mentioned since the NX Enterprise was the first ship to travel at point five warp.
"Why can't the Enterprise be built on Earth?" by Lemming	Jan 17th, 2008 04:41:14 PM
Because it's not aerodyanmic for a start. That's why Voyager 'landing' was so significant. It's a smaller, sleeker design than the Enterprise. Everyone knows big crazy shaped space ships should be built in space dock. I suppose you think it would be cool if the Death Star was built in Area 51 as well? Fucking hell, man...
Demode.. by Lemming	Jan 17th, 2008 04:42:35 PM
If you are going to put 'canon' in quote marks at least spell it right.
Nice by photoboy	Jan 17th, 2008 04:42:48 PM
While Orci & Kurtzman are clearly cunts, at least the effects look nice.
Landing Gear by Demode	Jan 17th, 2008 04:42:50 PM
It was established in the books that it had landing gear. In the book, the refitted Enterprise takes off from Earth (without the secondary hull) on a deep space mission. ..... I'm not 100% sure, but it may have been mentioned in Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise as well.
Maybe he wanted to blow something up. by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:43:18 PM

Rick Berman by KentButabi	Jan 17th, 2008 04:43:30 PM
Even he made sure the NX-01 was built in orbit. A minor detail I can live with, however, the take off and maiden voyage might be an FX highpoint.
Looks like a combo of the original & refit versions by expert_40	Jan 17th, 2008 04:43:36 PM
Specifically, look at the the way decks 1 through 4 (the bridge and bellow) look. Very refit looking Enterprise. Also, the lack of white paint, going with the exposed metal panel look is very much the refit Enterprise. Of course, the warp nacelles appear to be original series nacelles. And Harry is right, the translucent covers are obviously not on the impellers in the nacelles, which if you saw First Contact, Enterprise, and TOS, all of the tubular nacelles that Cochrane designed had rotating impellers. As far as the Enterprise being built on Earth, it WAS built on Earth and reassembled in orbit. It wasn't until later in the timeline (around the refit era) that ships were built in shipyards around Earth and Mars orbit. As far as the movie goes, I can't fucking wait to see it. Any Star Trek movie without the B-B involvement is worth waiting for. I'm just pissed off that they didn't Ronald D. Moore, who basically wrote First Contact, the shot at totally re-doing the series from his perspective. Imagine Kirk-Spock-McCoy saying his dialogue, which if anyone's ever watching DS9 (the best fucking Star Trek series EVER) or BSG, knows is filled with the kind of REAL humanity that is usually missing from Star Trek and Roddenberry's retarded idea of "perfected" humanity. With "perfected" humanity, there is no drama, no reason to watch. I'm a RDM fan, but I await to see what J.J. has ready for us. I'm just hoping there is a little Jack in Bones, a little Sawyer in Kirk, and a little Locke in Spock.
Area 69 Near The Airport by Frodo T. Baggins	Jan 17th, 2008 04:44:00 PM
Close to "International Affairs" adult male dancing club with all you can eat Fiata Friday. Ya know. For delayed flyers that cant get out of San Fran yet dont yet want to leave.
Darth_Inedible, if that's true it's fucking lame.. by Lemming	Jan 17th, 2008 04:44:43 PM
..not least of all because of the built on Earth shit, but they actually made the founder a relation of Kirk. Is this just one big incestuous galaxy now? Christ it sounds like a fanboy script..
Looks like that part in TMP by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 04:44:53 PM
When Kirk, Spock, Decker and Ilia exit the ship and walk on the hull.
Hmmmm..... by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 04:45:27 PM
Wasn't the Enterprise in Picard's era (Enterprise D?) the first one capable of saucer separation? Don't remember it even being discussed on the original series.
temporal directive by Staldo	Jan 17th, 2008 04:47:02 PM
I thought the whole point of this movie was to violate the temporal directive. Is the directive only that people can't be killed, they can only have their careers altered?
The short guy was none other than... by EvilGeek1	Jan 17th, 2008 04:47:39 PM
Melvin Frohike, played by Tom Braidwood. Hey, hey I got it right. Correct spelling too. Things are coming up Milhouse!
Cannon Films by Demode	Jan 17th, 2008 04:47:52 PM
What ever happened to Cannon Films? I always loved "Masters of the Universe". Just to bad that movie didn't follow "cannon.... er, "canon...
JJ is a talentless ASS!!!!!! by Thelighttoshowtheway	Jan 17th, 2008 04:48:02 PM
Look the kiss of death was given as soon as JJ 'I'll remake Godzilla and try to convince people I'm so smart'said he was a big fan and understood the Trek universe so well. He also said he was a huge Superman fan then proceeded to weave a tale of Superman's non exploding Krypton, chatting to Jor-el at Heaven's Gates, fighting his evil brother and kryptonian buddies after donning his black costume by opening an alien can of pepsi and it leaps onto him. Complete ASS!!!! Oh and by the way all Starfleet Starships are assembled in space and designed not to land in the Kirk era. This is canon and even the previous Enterprise as seen in 'Enterprise' and its sister ship the Columbia are shown being built in orbit. He knows nothing and neither do his wee writer friends
Monorail- It's the jan 2007 draft by Darth_Inedible	Jan 17th, 2008 04:49:29 PM
'After the Eugenics Wars my great grandfather designed Area 86 to be a refuge for Earth's most ambitious scientists, a place for them to escape persecution in a world ravaged by the abuses of scientific knowledge.'
Demode, the books as good as they are by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:49:50 PM
and great in some cases are not considered canon. Case in point would be the two different versions of how Jack Crusher died; two totally different versions.
GibsonUSA by bryan vancampen	Jan 17th, 2008 04:50:23 PM
You sir, are a f'n genius Maybe we should have tried building the International Space Station completely on the ground, instead of modular assembly in low Earth orbit. Yeah, that would have been much cheaper...except for the fact that designing and building a single launch vehicle of the size/power necessary to lift the entire mass of a completed ISS would have cost an order of magnitude more then the ISS program itself.
Xmanse; Comanche Moon by zooch	Jan 17th, 2008 04:52:50 PM
Karl Urban played a cowboy in the tv mini Comanche Moon recently, where he used a southern accent.
I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE GUYS... by BurgerTime	Jan 17th, 2008 04:53:02 PM
...who's gonna get his nose bent out of shape because one of the tiles on the hull is not where it should be. LOL But damn, those turbines just look hokey. I know the conceptual artists and FX guys had to put something in the engine housings we could all relate to, but still... can't quite see turbines working in a vacuum. Seems like the easy way out.
those arent turbines... they're RIMS!!!! by Kennef	Jan 17th, 2008 04:53:14 PM
Kirk is rockin Spinners
I think it looks great!!!!! by odo19	Jan 17th, 2008 04:53:22 PM
Does anyone think that maybe the ship is going to be tested on the ground and then in seperate parts assemled in space. Just throwing that out there.
Sweet. by Yeti	Jan 17th, 2008 04:53:27 PM
Gonna see Cloverfield this weekend and looking forward to the trailer too. :D
The enterprise being built on earth by mukhtabi	Jan 17th, 2008 04:54:00 PM
Is exceedingly uncool. How the hell is that thing gonna get off the ground????
Built on Earth. by CaptainWalker	Jan 17th, 2008 04:54:07 PM

Sorry Staldo it's the whole Back to the Future by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:54:29 PM
or Butterfly Effect thing. Changing one little thing makes for serious reprocussions. Temporal prime directive allows no changes. Otherwise, Voyager's crew could have avoided their scenic trip through the Delta Quadrant on a few occasions.
Built on Earth. by CaptainWalker	Jan 17th, 2008 04:55:41 PM
Rodenberry always said, the Enterprise components were built in the Oakland Naval Shipyards, and then assembled in orbit. Check his notes.
Canon out the window! by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 04:56:06 PM
As you can tell by my username, I am a self admitted trek geek...but not so much that I know the direct element make-up of a dilythium crystal...anyways, JJ is taking liberties with ST canon...the whole area 51 and Kobiyashi Maru thing....yeah the enterprise is built in orbit in the San Francisco shipyards. Capt Robert April is her first commander followed by Christopher Pike. Finally 15 YEARS later, Kirk gets her! I'll accept (because I have no choice) if he makes it be Kirk as her first commander, but I sure hope this is a refit of an already in service 1701. who knows, maybe (maybe) it has to do with the whole possible plotline of the time travelers that come back, kill Kirk and prompt Spock to travel back to warn his younger self?....and somehow it leads to building the ship in A51?....straws, straws...I grasp.
Guys, enough about the turbines by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:56:55 PM
Anyone who has seen TOS has seen that on the nacelles there is something on the tips, under some sort of hull/cover that is spinning and for lack of a better word it is a turbine.
I was right about April by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 04:58:19 PM
I guess that makes me a geek. Cool.
Thank you Harry glad you agree it's retarded by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jan 17th, 2008 04:59:08 PM
to have the Enterprise built on Earth. I could not agree with you more. I pray the other rumors are not true either in regard to April and Pike. Nothing we can do about any of it. The script is written and no changes are going to be made so it is what it is. JJ has a HUGE HUGE shot here to create a cash cow or destroy a franchise with one single movie. Lets hope he gets it right.
Is Robert April even Canon??? by odo19	Jan 17th, 2008 04:59:26 PM
I keep hearing people bitch about this guy not being in the movie. I'm pretty sure he is'nt even Canon.
kennef by sundancekeed	Jan 17th, 2008 05:00:09 PM
That had me on the floor laffin. Now I got this picture of the 'Prise bouncin through the galaxy with the D O double G pumpin outta the stereo while Kirk is blowin the pointy ears dude a shotgun. And Uhura is pourin the Moet in the hot tub. Best crib in tha fleet, yo.
Looks great by mayorofsimpleton	Jan 17th, 2008 05:02:24 PM
But it is just one FX picture. To be honest the teaser image of a blue and gold old school star trek emblem excited me more when that was released. Ship looks good, but that's not enough info to form an opinion.
I think Quinto... by EvilGeek1	Jan 17th, 2008 05:03:15 PM
is gonna be one of, if not the only saving grace of this movie. Admittingly I'm not a HUGE trek fan although I've watched the movies and would gladly watch an episode if it came on tv. It's probably not my place to speculate but my gut is telling me there's something wrong (aside from the neverending continuity problems) with this movie. Something in the core of it is flawed.
Pun intended by EvilGeek1	Jan 17th, 2008 05:04:06 PM

here's a link to the dedication plaques.. by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 05:04:23 PM
http://www.ussanubis.com/plaqu e.htm guess we can add area 51....why? what possible reason (other than Independence Day reference) would there be to Area 51 in the 23rd Century?
Red1701 says it's canon. I say I'm not sure by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 05:05:32 PM
it is canon, but according to the animated series he was the first captain. I read/watched some article somewhere with Roddenberry mentioning he planned on using the name, and may have later changed it. I don't recall the details. Bottom line is it was used in the cartoon. Roddenberry had control of the cartoon I'm sure, and how would they come up with the character unless he gave it to the writers, so take that for whatever it is worth.
The animated series is not canon by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 05:09:19 PM
Only the movies and the live action TV series are canon. None of the books are canon. None of the comics are canon.
Okay, quick wikipedia search confirms by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 05:14:39 PM
the only appearance of April was in the animated series. As far as canon, assuming wikipedia is correct, Roddenberry himself deemed TAS non-canon. While April may appear in the Trek Encylcopedia, that compilation is more of a reference source than canon as they include TAS. The way I look it is if The Great Bird of the Galaxy says it's non-canon, then it's non-canon. Who is anyone else to alter his vision. Having said that, Pike was captain of a fully built Enterprise before Kirk, so we'll see what happens in the movie.
Even the Trek reference books aren't canon by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 05:19:42 PM
Yes, they were written by people who worked on the series, but the writers don't base the episodes on the reference books.
FUCK canon! by Maniaq	Jan 17th, 2008 05:27:44 PM
what's all this bitchin about where the ship's supposed to be bilt and how old is Kirk supposed to be and other craptacular rants about nothing particularly important or interesting? don't you get it? this is a REBOOT! ignore everything you thought you knew about Star Trek and enjoy the friggin ride! FFS! as for the age of the actors, anyone had the thought that MAYBE he's using young(ish) actors that aren't going to visibly AGE in the next ten years or so for future movies?? considering how OLD the TNG cast looked by the time they made their last few efforts, I think it's a fucking BRILLIANT idea to use 20-somethings - hell, you can CALL THEM thirty fucking seven years old ON SCREEN (38 would be a stretch) if you like...
Spock was already part of the crew! by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 05:29:56 PM
in the cage it shows Spock served aboard the fully operational 1701 with Christopher Pike. Spock is at least a few decades older than Kirk, so he joined starfleet and graduated years before Kirk. His lifespan and aging process are much slower than those of a human and he is known to survive well into Picard's time. (plus the thoery is that whatever prompts him to go back in time most likely happens during his exodus on Romulus (after he teams up with Picard and Data)"Unification"
maniaq by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 05:34:21 PM
"he's a maniaac! manniaac oh no! and he's dancin' like he's never danced befoooorre!"....lol jk. you're right...you're right...all that really matters is that JJ was given the reigns to bring a little of that LOST and Cloverfield magic to a franchise that needed a good dose of new energy and faces. I still think he could have just gone the "refit" route with the ship....but I'll leave it alone.
skywalkerfamily...not true. TAS is considered Canon by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jan 17th, 2008 05:35:32 PM
Roddenberry went back and forth with TAS as to if it was canon. A large part of it was his frustration with some of the writers and production team. If you watch the documentary on the TAS box set they state it is canon. Matter of fact there are many things taken from TAS that were used later on in both the movies and the future Star Trek series.
Does this photo confirm that it is built on Earth? by CornNut007	Jan 17th, 2008 05:36:22 PM
Yes, I believe it does. Notice the steam or whatever that is coming out of some of the unfinished parts? I don't think you'd have steam in space. I could be wrong though. How is everyone else deciding this issue? Is there some interview from JJ or some report from the set that they are IN FACT planning to build the Enterprise on Earth? I am basing it off the steam i see in the photo and my limited knowledge of how a gas would act in space (and i stress the work limited). However some pass off fire in space in some movies, and in THAT case maybe the steam doesn’t mean a damn thing.
Edit: Does this photo confirm that it is built on Earth? by CornNut007	Jan 17th, 2008 05:37:41 PM
...act in space (and i stress the WORD limited).
abelkane3434, Dark Knight trailer cool. by SkeletonParty	Jan 17th, 2008 05:39:43 PM
Thanks. As far as Trek goes, as long as sticks to the canon of Galaxy Quest, I'm happy.
Do we really need another Star Trek? by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 17th, 2008 05:44:51 PM
Seriously, hasn't it died on its arse?
hey capt kirk... by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 05:49:15 PM
"What about utopia planatia? also, how does the ship get into the air, if it has no landing gear or runway capacity?" ------------------------------ ------- NCC-1701 D was built at Utopia Planetia then handed over to Picard for command.
Scoops by jtishere	Jan 17th, 2008 05:50:58 PM
The nacelles are equipped to pull interstellar hydrogen through Bussard collectors. The hydrogen is then fed to the hamster that spins the wheel to make the Enterprise fly. Basic 23rd century physics.
April is NOT canon... by expert_40	Jan 17th, 2008 05:50:59 PM
... it is something the uber-Trekkie-nerds hold to be true, no matter how many times they have to be told it is not canon. As far as Star Trek goes, the books, comics, and animated series ARE NOT CANON. This is the opposite of Star Wars, where the Expanded Universe books and storylines are given the thumbs up or down by Jabba the Lucas himself. And YES... the Enterprise was assembled ON EARTH... that IS canon, directly from Roddenberry himself. Stop bitching, Trekkies who think they know better. Stop being like the loser LOTR snobs who couldn't get over the fact that Bombadil was left out of FOTR and that elves showed up to Helm's Deep. This is a REBOOT. There is a reason why there had to be a REBOOT. No one cared anymore. Even the Trekkies couldn't care enough to see the last two horrible NextGen movies or watch Voyager or Enterprise anymore. B-B ran the the series into the ground. Once again, I fully believe they should have turned everything over to RDM (which would be insanely embarrassing for B-B to take, seeing RDM reinvigorate Star Trek), but I am interested in seeing where J.J. takes this. Stop being snobs, Trekkies. Get on the bandwagon now, or get the fuck off. Don't be like all of the LOTR snobs who were so shortsighted BEFORE they ever saw the movies!
I don't like Star Trek by TerryMalloy	Jan 17th, 2008 05:58:16 PM
and this is the first time I've trolled. I still like you guys though.
Building the Enterprise by tk 421	Jan 17th, 2008 05:59:07 PM
Why can't we assume that in this age of technological wonders, what with the breaking of the light barrier and transporters among others, that someone actually had enough sense to build the space elevator which would make it easy to build something terrestrially and subsequently haul it into space. SPACE ELEVATOR!
Enterprise being built on earth = FUCK YOU ABRAMS by greenstyle92	Jan 17th, 2008 05:59:56 PM
You just encouraged me NOT to give you any money.
TAS isn't canon by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 06:00:45 PM
Some of the TAS stuff was referenced in Enterprise, like Spock's home town, but that came from the writers guide stuff.
TK421 and space elevators. by greenstyle92	Jan 17th, 2008 06:02:07 PM
Yes, I'm familiar with the space elevator concept. But if that were true, we should see that elevator sticking up into orbit in every shot of the earth in Star Trek EVER. Unless I'm to assume the built the elevator just to haul up the enterprise then disassembled it. and a space elevator would surely be harder and more expensive to build than the enterprise...
TerryMalloy by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 17th, 2008 06:02:09 PM
I try not to troll myself but there's something about StarTrek that brings it out in me.
Builded on the Surface! by BetaSword	Jan 17th, 2008 06:02:54 PM
@CornNut007: Judging on that Image, it`s built either on Earth, Moon or Mars(so far, there´s no sign for a specific Planet). But as you can see, the Steam is turning into Cloud-forms. As far as I know, Steam would actually leave into Space in a straight stream, as there´s no air to slow it down fast enough to build Clouds that even touches the Hull. Therefore, the Idea of getting the Enterprise built on the Surface, aeparating it into several Parts, to finally assemble it all in Space is quite logical. Also that would give the Design a more understandable Point. And if anyone complains: The Enterprise did enter the Athmosphere in at least one Episode & Offshore-Oil-Rigs are also mainly assemblied on land, before the Assembly in the Sea begins. (written with Wii)
About the turbines by Bagheera	Jan 17th, 2008 06:03:45 PM
they're called Bussard collectors: http://tinyurl.com/37zadw
I'm pretty sure that its in a space dock, NOT on Earth by Spamster	Jan 17th, 2008 06:05:46 PM
How can you tell from this image whether its on Earth or not? You fucking can't. Also, the Enterprise was never meant for atmospheric flight. The stresses for atmospheric flight and flight in a vacuum are completely different. The Enterprise would fold up like an accordian if it flew in a planets dense atmosphere. Even with intertial dampeners. So relax guys, this is a space dock, I assure you. It may even be the Utopia Planitia spaceyards, the future home of the Enterprise-D. Oh my God, I'm such a geek.
expert_40, the problem is that most trek fans by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 06:07:53 PM
rabid or otherwise have so much respect for this body of work that we cannot stand the simple fact that someone wants to take Trek history, go back into the past, and change it. Enterprise didn't do that, although it came pretty close a few times. If JJ wanted to do a post TNG movie we'd probably be all for that, but he's trying to change the past it appears. Call it a reboot, call it a re-imaging, call it what you will it's disrespecting the whole series timeline. That's what fans don't like. Granted you have some whiners about the cast choices. As long as it has a good story, and doesn't try to change the past I'll probably see it, and really don't care too much about cast choices. I mean JJ wouldn't want someone taking his work, and doing a prequel to change it, why would he do the same. I'm not saying his is. Hell I haven't read a script, I'm just saying if rumors are true, and that's all they are are rumors, then he's got problems with the fans.
BetaSword...you have a good point! by Spamster	Jan 17th, 2008 06:08:12 PM
It would make sense to assemble the parts on Earth and then ship 'em into space and assemble the modules together. But that would require an insane amount of energy to lift those modules into orbit.
space-built by pevster	Jan 17th, 2008 06:08:27 PM
it appears to be assembled in space, not the space-suit clad figure on the front of the saucer.... everybody relax, it's gonna be too cool.
Space Elevator by tk 421	Jan 17th, 2008 06:08:49 PM
Is a tether, attached to an anchor in geosynchronous orbit with the Earth. It could be attached to that huge freaking space station. Plus, maybe we never saw the side of earth where it was located. Additionally, I highly doubt that building a tether out of carbon nano-tubes would cost more than a starship capable of self-sustainability for years on end and fucking faster than light travel! Besides, who gives a shit about cannon? It's a reboot. Canon ? We don't need no stinkin' canon.
by pevster	Jan 17th, 2008 06:09:09 PM
I mean "note" the space suit clad figure...
Spamster... by greenstyle92	Jan 17th, 2008 06:09:36 PM
Harry, who has seen the teaser, said it's built on EARTH.
Spamster by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 17th, 2008 06:13:47 PM
Just beam the bits up. Simple as that. I'm sure Scotty could mumble some techno crap and ,voila, one beamed up spaceship.
Harry we have said it multiple times by Falcon5768	Jan 17th, 2008 06:19:46 PM
The Enterprise being built on earth is CANON. It was both in the bible for Star Trek as well as was a line in a Animated Series episode.
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FUCK THE CANON! TREK BECAME PUTRID LIKE HARRY'S FUMUNDA CHEESE by Babba-Booey	Jan 17th, 2008 06:21:35 PM
here's a group of guys that desparately need to develop interpersonal relationship skills, and have first hand knowledge of the proper application of lips upon penis. i share with you a final thought, one that i will be thinking as my darling better half is bobbing her head up and down on my schlong. that thought is: i'm gettin' blown, and the fanboys are stretchin' meat. bless you all. may you all get an std from an orion slave girl at a creation-con.
SPAMSTER: "INTERTIAL DAMPENERS" by BringingSexyBack	Jan 17th, 2008 06:22:04 PM
You're either the reigning geek of AICN or you're a real-life scientist. I hope the latter. Greenstyle is right though - it's being built on Earth. And Bob Orci confirmed it on another Talkback.
Stick on decals or stenciled on? by Ironmuskrat	Jan 17th, 2008 06:26:20 PM
Looks like the big Enterprise ship hull classification and name are already embossed on the hull plates before they are installed. Makes sense, however the idea that the name gets spray painted on the hull by a couple a guys in space suits has always amused me for some reason. Anyway, the new design looks cool and making the engines look like something that may actually make the ship fly isn't all that bothersome for me.
BOB ORCI ALSO GAVE ME A HIGH FIVE by BringingSexyBack	Jan 17th, 2008 06:27:22 PM
but unbeknownst to him I did the hand sanitizer thing when he turned away. His hands are clammy, beware.
BUT WAS THE ANIMATED SERIES CANON? by BringingSexyBack	Jan 17th, 2008 06:30:11 PM
Where can I get my hands on this Star Trek bible? Was it written by Roddenberry himself or his disciples?
Are those rudders? by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 06:33:26 PM
On the back of the nacelles? Why would a ship in space need rudders?
BSB by TerryMalloy	Jan 17th, 2008 06:33:42 PM
Your better half really loves you if she blows you while you type away on your laptop.
@Spamster by BetaSword	Jan 17th, 2008 06:33:48 PM
As far as i remember, there's been an ToS-Episode, where they came into contact with an Propeller-Engined Aircraft, and even beamed the pilot aboard the Enterprise. Also the NX01 had a little dogfighting with Spitfires which had Propellers and Plasma(or Disruptor)-Weapons. So flying around in Earth's athmosphere isn't such a big deal. Also for energy-Amounts: Starfleet-Vessles are using an Antimatter-Matter-Reaction to build up Energy, hell, that's more than enough. In fact, I heard one Scientist talking about the possible Energy-Amount, that even a Teaspoon-full of Antimatter would be enough to leave our Solar-System, so what, if it even uses the amount of a normal Spoon, it would be quite easy to afford. And I also heard from annother Scientist in TV, that even that mentioned Amount is way to high and that less Antimatter should be enough.
Harry... by pevster	Jan 17th, 2008 06:36:06 PM
Who's Harry, and why should we believe him? Looks like it's in space to me...
I can't wait until the 15 minute flyby sequence by TallBoy66	Jan 17th, 2008 06:36:07 PM
That's gonna be super.
TERRY by BringingSexyBack	Jan 17th, 2008 06:42:14 PM
Maybe if I were on a political Talkback she would, because nothing gets me harder than that. That and talking about ST canon ...
Here's how JJ is going back into the past by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 06:43:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =dfx8Nc6VKnI&feature=related
HOW DOES THE ENTERPRISE EXPEL HUMAN WASTE AND GARBAGE? by BringingSexyBack	Jan 17th, 2008 06:44:11 PM
Do they dump it in space like the Star Destroyers did in ESB?
@Betasword by Spamster	Jan 17th, 2008 06:45:33 PM
Yeah the TOS episode was the one where they beamed aboard a fighter pilot who had spotted the Enterprise after it lost control and entered the top of the Earth's atmosphere as a result of a 'slingshot manuever' between Jupiter and the Sun that sent them back in time. Anyway, the pilot turned out to be the father of some famous astronaut who was signifcant to the past history of Starfleet. As for that episode of "Enterprise" if I'm not mistaken, it was a shuttle from the NX-01 that was dogfighting with P-51 Mustangs over San Francisco. I had an absolute geek-gasm over that one. Also let me say that, as a hardcore trek fan, I trust J.J. Abrahms with doing a ret-con of Star Trek. It'll be fun, and if it doesn't work, fans will just cut it out of the canon, much in the way Superman 3 was it relation to that franchise.
Wow. What an incredible feat of imagination! by Laserbrain	Jan 17th, 2008 06:47:01 PM
The Enterprise being built! Who else could have conceived of such a thing? JJ Abrams is a God. Orci and Kurtzman are writers without peer. This movie will rule!
BringingSexyBack.... by Spamster	Jan 17th, 2008 06:48:21 PM
Whoops, I missed that one. I'm a little surprised they chose to go that route, but hey it sounds cool to me! I can't wait to see how it looks on film.
As for the whole BUILT on EARTH thing..... by Dallas1701D	Jan 17th, 2008 06:51:22 PM
It has specifically been stated on screen that the major construction of the Enterprise was done ant the San Fransisco shipyards and that the parts were ASSEMBLED in space at an orbital space dock. The saucer section actually CAN handle the stress of atmospheric, and was always intended to do so, even if just as a lifeboat. If you read the non-canon Lost Years series of books, it was suggested that the saucer was detached from the body of the Enterprise, descended into the atmosphere of Earth, and guided by winged ships with tractor beams to be landed safely at the Fleet Yards for its refit. It then returned to space UNDER ITS OWN IMPULSE POWER to be reconnected. I don't really give a crap if you guys care or not, but just so you know the power of the imagination a writer can use in making anything happen to a FICTIONAL SPACESHIP. All the tech manuals in the world don't mean a pinch of poopie until you're sitting in the theater and a captain says "Engage!"
Ain't it slow news by simndermot	Jan 17th, 2008 06:52:17 PM
Posted hours before on other sites. C'mon Harry and crew, I used to get the news here first! I know the rest of the sites have put a target on your back but lets get back to proper form.
"those are not turbines as we know them" by gotilk	Jan 17th, 2008 06:52:50 PM
.. turbines as we know them , Jim.
simndermot by TerryMalloy	Jan 17th, 2008 06:56:32 PM
Just open up 10 or 11 windows on your computer and hit refresh every second. That way you're bound to get you the most freshest, ripe-y, pungent movie news available.
You know what I hate? by TerryMalloy	Jan 17th, 2008 07:02:52 PM
Turbines.
Enterprise construction by KrellGod	Jan 17th, 2008 07:03:26 PM
Point number 1, according to TOS Kirk didn't start off in the command branch, he was originally a redshirt in security and later made the highly unusual switch from there to command (which I guess was supposed to explain why he tended to think with his fists instead of his brain). Point two, the Enterprise was assembled in orbit because of the nacelle design. It CAN enter into a planet's atmosphere/gravitational field but only once it is fully assembled and operational. The Enterprise did it in the original series in an episode where they went back in time on Earth. Unpowered, the nacelles are too heavy and the support struts would buckle under the pull of a gravity field. But once the ship is operational it has a Structural Integrity Field which holds the hull together under the stresses of gravity and the insanely high accelerations of impulse and warp speed. Point three, why are so many people saying it would be "cost prohibitive" to build the parts on the ground and ship them to orbit? This is Star Trek, people. It's not like this is the first starship they've ever built. Ground to orbit transportation is cheap, fast and easy. They have plenty of ships that could ferry the parts to orbit, but why bother when they have transporter technology? No doubt they have large-scale construction transporters for just that purpose. Besides, the economy of the Star Trek era is entirely different than it is today. It has been repeatedly stated that in the time of TOS there is no more poverty, no need for money as we know it today, etc. Admittedly they never went into the exact details of how the whole system worked, but the point is that getting stuff into orbit is no big deal, they do it as easily as you would zip down the street to the corner deli.
Should have started from scratch by Dazzler69	Jan 17th, 2008 07:07:10 PM
I think the new movie should have been a restart and tweak some things. Make it like the Ultimate line in Marvel.
This is NEW canon. Get the fuck used to it by performingmonkey	Jan 17th, 2008 07:07:53 PM
I know what you're gonna say - 'whine but Nimoy's in it so it IS classic Trek canon so why should Abrams have the right to fuck with it whine' I'll tell you why he has the right - Trek has been shit for years and needs SOMETHING like this to happen. People need reminding of the original crew, even if they're played by different actors. The original series IS Trek. Next Generation universe is something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT in my humble fucking opinion. This movie should pay zero attention to anything post-Undiscovered Cunt-tree, including Kirk's lame death.
Sindermot by TerryMalloy	Jan 17th, 2008 07:08:14 PM
And I say that respectfully, because I have seven talkback tabs on my firefox right now which I refresh every second. Yes, I'm bored as hell. And avoiding my work. And quite lonely. Tear.
KrellGod by Falcon5768	Jan 17th, 2008 07:08:44 PM
Wrong its in the writers bible for TOS, the Enterprise was partially built on earth, with the final fitting out in space. Even as far as TNG ships where built on land and fitted out in space. A Galaxy class hull can be seen on Mars at the Utopia Planitia shipyards in a episode. It was CLEARLY on the planet in multiple parts before being fitted out in space.
TerryMalloy by simndermot	Jan 17th, 2008 07:08:51 PM
Just trying to pump the guys up and get them back on their game. No need for you to be so bossy.
we could all be duped...think about this.... by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 07:09:13 PM
I'll add another two cents....the whole thing about this image and what we've been talking about for awhile now....could be totally wrong. Let's say that this is simply for the teaser?....Spidey had that trailer that didn't actually end up in the movie, right? well who is to say that this ends up or is part of the funal cut? As far as some of the points that were brought up... -it could be spacedock...the excelsior was being finalized in a similiar dock before it was launched. -the exterior spacedock was only used in TMP and not part II or any of the subsequent movies. -Captain John Christopher piloted the USAF surveillance jet that took film of the enterprise in 1960s earth athmosphere -THE BIG THING...Roddenberry stated that due to limited budget during TOS, he couldn't afford money to carry out the effects that would show the ship leaving and entering earth's athmosphere. (that's why the transporters came to be...transporters exist solely due to lack of funds. -The enterprise D became a life ship and was controllable in space as a saucer only section (after Zoran)after the destruction of the array, but due to the blastwave, it was shoved into a nearby planet's athmosphere and crash landed (could it have been soft-landed?...who knows) -Voyager is able to land and take off from planetary bodies, however it is considerably smaller than the "E" series enterprise. -Yes, it is because we do care about 41 years worth of backstory that we are in a bit of an uproar about facts. -those things aren't rudders on the back of the nacelles....the enterprise in TMP was the first to have "fins" on the end of the nacelles. -To add, i have no issue with casting...that looks fine...just story better be good...after a few years off...and yeah, first contact ranks up there with TROK as one of the best ST movies....(insurrection blew monkey balls)
Sorry, TeryMalloy by simndermot	Jan 17th, 2008 07:10:19 PM
Didn't catch your last post.
If you want to pump them up simndermot by TerryMalloy	Jan 17th, 2008 07:15:41 PM
You got to be a cheerleader. You got to be like "You can do it Harry!" and wear a skirt or if you are a male get one of those megaphones. Positive. You've got to stay positive
think about this tards. by cpt. tim	Jan 17th, 2008 07:19:15 PM
what if the movie covers a larger area of time. what if the commie beatle, the swahili lady and points are on the crew when kirk takes command at 35 when he's SUPPOSED TO, but the movie also covers kirks time in the academy. Know how i figured that out? forget it, its wizard shit you wouldn't understand. Also if it steps all over canon then its even better.
hey cpt.tim by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 07:23:41 PM
Enchanter!...I will heed your warnings about the cave's guardian, the Rabbit of Caerbannog...with his huge hairy teeth.
Something positive like this? by simndermot	Jan 17th, 2008 07:26:22 PM
Bicker backer firecracker, bisk boom bah, post the news quicker! Rah Rah rah!
Falcon by KrellGod	Jan 17th, 2008 07:29:58 PM
Um, I hate to tell you this but when the original series was being made there was no writer's bible, Roddenberry and the rest were winging it from one episode to another and making much of it up as they went along. The bible to which you refer was created later after the fact to satisfy the more rabid fans who wanted every little detail they could get about the show. And there's no point in us getting into a Trek geek war of words, the fact is that Roddenberry/Paramount have never explained more about the Trek universe details then they absolutely had to, so there is no definitive word on if ships have to be built in orbit or if they could be built on planet, or which method was used most of the time. The ST movies and TV series have shown orbital ship construction and refitting numerous times, and while I don't recall ever seeing it being done on a planet I wouldn't be surprised if it was. For that matter it wouldn't be the first time that Star Trek contradicted itself...
"Bicker backer firecracker" by TerryMalloy	Jan 17th, 2008 07:31:17 PM
That's funny as hell
Red1701... by pevster	Jan 17th, 2008 07:31:28 PM
Exterior spacedock a la TMP was used in Wrath of Khan... in the only really lame part of the film, when Enterprise leaves drydock (again)...
Scotty is being replaced with Welshie by tough_times	Jan 17th, 2008 07:35:20 PM
and if you don't know what I'm talking about then turn in your card and get the Hell out!
yes, Kirsty Allie.... by red1701	Jan 17th, 2008 07:37:21 PM
was asked by spock to pull the enterprise out of the exterior spacedock (while kirk almost had a nervous breakdown worried she would crash it)
Bicker backer...... by simndermot	Jan 17th, 2008 07:39:38 PM
I have to give Bugs Bunny credit for that one. I miss that rabbit.....
I got it simndermot by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 07:44:28 PM
The Superrabbit episode. Classic.
Absolutely classic. by simndermot	Jan 17th, 2008 07:45:51 PM

Dazzler69 and EvilGeek1 are right by YackBacker	Jan 17th, 2008 07:49:52 PM
I suspect that the premise of this movie is flawed. Aside from the whole canon argument, I feel like the filmmakers missed an opportunity to do something innovative. A Trek prequel is a gimmick in my opinion. Do we really need to see how these characters met? This is such a typical television-producer way of approaching a motion picture. In TV you have 25 or so hrs a season to explore characters, etc. You can delve into back stories, you can do flashbacks (which Abrams LOVES to pull), etc. But a movie is less than 2 hrs on average. And you need to have a compelling story, a necessary purpose to the whole thing in order for it to be worthwhile, and doing retro-Trek doesn't seem very necessary at all, does it? If this is supposed to have any real connection to the established Trek universe (which it does, despite it's differing with the finer points of canon) then don't we already know how this story turns out? I mean, the filmmakers are recognizing established Trek by casting Nimoy as Spock and by not casting Shatner as older Kirk because they don't want to "bring his character back to life, he's dead." Okay, so we're in the same universe, right? What I'm dreading is that Mori's spy article from a few months ago is accurate, that Abrams will pull another television-producer gimmick and take this story into some parallel dimension of Trek. How fucking lazy can you get? I'm sorry, if that does pan out, I will turn in my fan credentials and wait until Paramount/CBS gets their act together and finally gets Trek back to where it belongs-- on weekly television. With a new crew. And a fresh approach. And no more looking backwards at a show that had 25 strong years of entertainment. Star Trek: TOS is done. Please, oh dear Paramount, figure that out and move FORWARD.
It's easier to build the ships on Earth by skywalkerfamily	Jan 17th, 2008 07:50:55 PM
and then ship them out to space because of the radiation and other hazards of building large objects in space.
I have faith that Abrams by veritasses	Jan 17th, 2008 07:59:08 PM
will make an entertaining movie. But the Enterprise being built on Earth.... not sure about that decision. A lot of things

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