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Herc Has Seen The First Two Hours Of Fox’s TV TERMINATOR!

hmmmm.... by NoPIX	Jan 13th, 2008 04:30:27 AM

by Stuart-Renton	Jan 13th, 2008 04:34:07 AM
They just don't seem to be able to get these shows right. How hard can it be to actually have a good storyline with some decent casting? They've got the budget, but where's the good writing that makes a show interesting?
Still, it has to be better than T3: Rise of the Toy Robots by alucardvsdracula	Jan 13th, 2008 04:34:18 AM
or not?
Can't Wait to see the Final Edit! by topaz4206	Jan 13th, 2008 04:39:07 AM
I liked the old leaked pilot okay, looking forward to seeing this episode in 720p glory :)
It looks fucking terrible. by Vek	Jan 13th, 2008 04:48:22 AM
Sure the posters look cool, but the extended trailer I saw was bloody appalling. Somewhere James Cameron is begrudgingly cashing his "based on characters created by" cheque.
Terminator girl is beyond cheesy by SantiagoAtez	Jan 13th, 2008 04:55:39 AM
Not because she's a girl, but because she's a damn cheesy actress. Honestly, her casting and performance almost ruins the show for me.
cancelled? will probably get good ratings with nothing else on by couP	Jan 13th, 2008 04:57:40 AM
stopped myself from watching that pilot from half a year ago, hope it's somewhat decent at least.
Saw the pilot and LOVED it!!! Can't wait for the rest. by HarryBlackPotter	Jan 13th, 2008 04:58:08 AM
If you're in the UK, it's on Virgin 1 starting 21st Feb.
FRANCHISE-KILLER!!! by Ray Gamma	Jan 13th, 2008 05:07:31 AM
I wish they could erase my memory of this, and Terminator 3, and just restart where T2 left off.... and get it fucking RIGHT this time.
fuck all you, t3 was great by angrykirby.tk	Jan 13th, 2008 05:17:47 AM
I get why people hate t3,(some awkward scenes that rip off t2, talk to the hand ect) but it's still an awesome action movie that does't have any dead spots and had some amazing action scenes. fuckers
I enjoyed the pilot by The Great One	Jan 13th, 2008 05:32:26 AM
I saw it at Comicon last year and thought it was cool. Oh, and Herc, the producers flat out said T3 does not take place in this continuity at all. There is a season of story planned out and they said that new kinds of Terminators would show up though they aren't adverse to using some for of the T-1000 at some point. In any case, I liked Lena Headey and thought she made a good Sarah Connor. The only thing I don't like is the fact that Summer Glau's character is decidedly weaker than any of the T-800's that are sent to kill John so far. Just kind of wondering why they wouldn't get a stronger model to protect him. Curious to see how Jones's character will play out in this. Also, in reading the reviews Herc posted, I see there's someone complaining about the fact that the show's not humor based. Why do people think all sci-fi shows have to have jokes? Not every series has to be like Stargate or Firefly or whatever if a given premise doesn't call for it. Anyways, that's my two cents with a penny of digression. Laters.
Exactly what I was thinking! by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 05:36:17 AM
... for what it's worth. Which is probably nothing. "Now. Were I the terminator, I would calmly stroll down into the middle of the classroom as I finished taking attendance. As I wandered by John’s desk, I would put down the clipboard and use my powerful cyborg arms, which can rip the door off a bank vault, to decapitate John and squish his brain to pulp. Humanity doomed. Mission accomplished."
Want to see something really bizarre? by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 05:38:24 AM
If it's still there (it should be), type into youtube "Terminator 3 extra" or "Terminator 3 deleted scene". If you didn't know already, find out how they came up with the T-800 101 model. Warning, you might be just a bit appalled ...
"Class Dismissed" by photoboy	Jan 13th, 2008 06:11:46 AM
Thank you Herc, I couldn't stand that scene either, I'm disappointed that they didn't re-shoot it. Regardless of whether it's insensitive or not, it's just really badly done and ruins your suspension of disbelief. I think the worst part of the scene is that the Terminator can't hit the side of a bus with his gun. In the movies Cameron was always very careful not to have the Terminators miss unless they're being shot or jogged about in moving vehicles. In this series it seems the T-800s couldn't shoot John Connor if they held the gun right up against his head! Still, beyond that it's got some interesting ideas, although I'm sure it will be cancelled quite quickly.
cheers shan by RockLobster800	Jan 13th, 2008 06:14:22 AM
I was more than just a little bit appalled....mean while, Ill still watch this show out of curiosity and because summer glau is i it...mmm...summer glau...
I liked the "early" copy of the pilot that got out by Discosis	Jan 13th, 2008 06:22:51 AM
I'll be watching the show. As for "class dismissed", there needs to be some humour injected into the mix for a TV show to survive, it can't all be doom and gloom. Even Galactica has a few giggles now and then. I didn't have a problem with it. The "early" pilot brought back some forgotten plot points from the movies and quickly established some of the key facts and underlying technology for the series before setting about some action set-pieces. Entertaining.
Shan by optimus122	Jan 13th, 2008 06:23:13 AM
Your talking about SGT Candy?
like robocop the series? by Pipple	Jan 13th, 2008 06:37:16 AM
Just as cheesy and unnecessary?
Summer Glau! by newc0253	Jan 13th, 2008 06:56:38 AM
she's sooo pretty! p.s. T3: Rise of the Machines was a perfectly entertaining film in its own right. It just sucked as a sequel to T2.
Summer Glau! by newc0253	Jan 13th, 2008 06:56:49 AM
she's sooo pretty! p.s. T3: Rise of the Machines was a perfectly entertaining film in its own right. It just sucked as a sequel to T2.
T3 was dire by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 13th, 2008 06:59:11 AM
The fact that they ditched Linda Hamilton and said her character died of cancer says it all really. A soulless cash-in to the two greatest sci-fi/action movies ever made.
RockLobster800, optimus122 by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 07:14:58 AM
RockLobster800 ... I know, really strange, wasn't it. Tonally, the series has been drifting further and further away from the first film which was in some ways almost a horror film. optimus122 That would be the one. Actually, not bad for a comical relief extra but probably just as well that it wasn't in the main body of the film.
T3 Actually Ended well.... by Redfive!	Jan 13th, 2008 07:15:46 AM
But that was it...Plus Arnold really showed his age in that one.
Robert Patrick by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 07:27:34 AM
I hope he can be convinced to make an appearance. There's the 'much hilarity ensues when it turns out he's the human the T-1000 default setting was modelled on' option and there's also the 'he's back as another T-1000' option, we'll just overlook the aging/metal fatigue (he seems to have aged reasonably well though). A variant on that option could be that after someone cooled down the pit the T-1000 fell in, it actually managed to reform itself somehow - and since Dyson is dead, maybe it somehow got Skynet built.
Wait, WAIT!...go back to the "abundant nakedness" by scumbag	Jan 13th, 2008 07:30:16 AM
Tell me more. Why is anybody talking about anything else?
So the Milwaukee guy by Richard Thornberg	Jan 13th, 2008 08:00:12 AM
... has never seen a Terminator movie? Their TV critic. Really? I'd love to know what his picks were for holidays movies on the tube. "Godfather - your guess is as good as mine. Ishtar - Sounds kind of good doesn't it?"
"Herc Has Seen The First Two Hours Of Fox’s TV TERMINATOR!" by SkidMarkedUndies	Jan 13th, 2008 08:11:41 AM
And so has everyone who has the intraweb since August. Nevertheless, Summer Glau kicking @$$ as a femanator makes me GLEE with WONDER and JOY!!! Awesome casting for her and Sarah. Lena has MILF with baggage down to a science.
Who wasn't paying attention, Herc... by danowen	Jan 13th, 2008 08:36:08 AM
Terminator 3's chronology is neatly avoided by a plot-point in the Pilot episode (involving time-travel). This allows them to one day jump back to the late-90s, kill Sarah, and then audiences cue up their T3 DVD for the continuation... heading into the new futuristic trilogy, too, I guess...
Not to beat a dead horse.. by BizarroJerry	Jan 13th, 2008 08:40:08 AM
but the logic over class dismissed isn't there. Weren't Arnold's "cute" lines mostly due to the influence of John and other people? Ah, whatever. I'll give it a shot. There's nothing else new on TV these days.
No by IGoToCollege	Jan 13th, 2008 08:43:42 AM
I made up my mind when Fox started running the shit out of those, "I call shotgun. I call nine millimeter" promos. If that's the best they got, this will be gone by summer.
The main inherent plot problem in overal Terminator story by TheSeeker7	Jan 13th, 2008 08:45:09 AM
as I see it is, and this is really a usual time travel-esque plot hole in all TV and movies it seems. In fact the same general sort of issue was brought up by one of the AICN people (forget who) in one of the most recent Abrams STAR TREK article. In the STAR TREK thing, given that we know part of the plot involves Eric Bana's Nero character goes back in time to try to destroy the Romulans as a people before they really get started (I think) whoever was reporting that came up with a great point -- if you're time traveling ANYWAY, well what's to stop the bad guy from simply going back in time AGAIN if his plan fails the first time? Ya know, he tries, doesn't accomplish it for whatever reason, well so why can't he simply time travel back again, but say, oh a day earlier than the last time (thus negating his original attempt even) and try to implement his plan a second time? And so on and so on, for as many times as applicable if he keeps fucking it up? Well, same thing goes for TERMINATOR. And gee, now I think about it, yea it's pretty much EXACTLY the same point for TERMINATOR. We know that the baddies in the future keep sending evil terminators back in time to try and thwart John Conner as a child, thus making it impossible for him to lead the resistance against them as an adult. As far as we know from the first 2 TERMINATOR films, they've now tried this twice, failing each time. But yea, pretty much same deal -- why can't they simply send ANOTHER terminator back in time... AGAIN... to try and kill John, and really at any point would do, try it when he's only like 3 years old. Or if that doesn't work, try it again when he's made 5. Or 9. See my point? But of course, this kinda kills any drama, and if they thought about this concept, well we wouldn't have a movie would we? (or a film franchise, or now a TV series...) :p Having said all that, GAAAWWWWD DAAAYYYYYUM is Summer Glaus friggin' hot as hell. Even though her character turned out be kind of a real bitch, I do definitely miss her on "THE UNIT". And Herc, you love the abundant nakedness? Seriously? But c'mon, this is network TV style nakedness, so that's such a goddamn tease over and over, I'd rather just have none at all, especially when we're talking about Summer Glaus. Hootchie mama.
CLASS DISMISSED? by Judge Briggs	Jan 13th, 2008 08:45:56 AM
OH GAWD... That sounds awful! WOW!
uhh i hate to break it to you but thats exactly what T would do by BMacSmith	Jan 13th, 2008 08:49:00 AM
they never exercised much tact in the movies, why would he do it here? Terminator would get his target and start blasting away, not calmly walk over. he drove a truck through a police station for god's sake!
Oh and T3 was a good movie... by Judge Briggs	Jan 13th, 2008 08:49:46 AM
Why so much hate?
yeah Saxon that review was completely void after i read that by BMacSmith	Jan 13th, 2008 08:52:42 AM
why would he even review it? his opinion is useless
Terminators aren't sutble. by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 08:59:53 AM
Look at the first meeting between John and the T-1000. He's dressed as a cop. There's a big scary guy that depending on news reports from 1984, John might recognize as a Terminator. The T-1000 easily could have gotten John's confidence long enough for the point blank kill shot. T1 didn't have to nuke the whole police station. He could have staked it out. He also could have sneaked up behind Sarah at the club, etc.
Mr. Saxon by Captain Hollywood	Jan 13th, 2008 09:00:22 AM
That's what I was thinking. And for the record. T3 is NOT a bad movie.
Yes bring back Robert Patrick by johnnyg korrupt	Jan 13th, 2008 09:02:26 AM
Just do it anyway you want. With makeup and cgi they can make him look young again...or keep him at a distance from the camera
Yes bring back Robert Patrick by johnnyg korrupt	Jan 13th, 2008 09:02:49 AM
Just do it anyway you want. With makeup and cgi they can make him look young again...or keep him at a distance from the camera. Main thing is getting him on a diet to lose the flab
Yes bring back Robert Patrick by johnnyg korrupt	Jan 13th, 2008 09:05:45 AM
Just do it anyway you want. With makeup and cgi they can make him look young again...or keep him at a distance from the camera. Main thing is getting him on a diet to lose the flab
Didn't mind the 3rd Terminator by FILMFUNK	Jan 13th, 2008 09:11:33 AM
and if the classroom assasination had played out like you thought it should then the series would have been the shortest series ever! and more shocking than the Sopranos ending!!! come to think of it if the Terminator had subtly walked up to his victims in the first two movies instead of chasing after them with shotguns and huge trucks then they would have pretty short and not very entertaining either!
Didn't mind the 3rd Terminator by FILMFUNK	Jan 13th, 2008 09:12:25 AM
and if the classroom assasination had played out like you thought it should then the series would have been the shortest series ever! and more shocking than the Sopranos ending!!! come to think of it if the Terminator had subtly walked up to his victims in the first two movies instead of chasing after them with shotguns and huge trucks then they would have pretty short and not very entertaining either!
Didn't mind the 3rd Terminator by FILMFUNK	Jan 13th, 2008 09:12:29 AM
and if the classroom assasination had played out like you thought it should then the series would have been the shortest series ever! and more shocking than the Sopranos ending!!! come to think of it if the Terminator had subtly walked up to his victims in the first two movies instead of chasing after them with shotguns and huge trucks then they would have pretty short and not very entertaining either!
With nothing else on television, this series might have a chance by rbatty024	Jan 13th, 2008 09:16:20 AM
It can't be any worse than T3, right? Oh, and Seeker, there are about a million problems with time travel stories. The only exception is 12 Monkeys, but in that case you have to accept that our futures are predestined. That's the only way of correcting the time travel paradoxes.
Everything aside, the series has potential if.... by Han Cholo	Jan 13th, 2008 09:22:56 AM
They can get some people who can apply smarter writing to the show. I mean seriously, a lot of the dialogue and situations just came off stupid and nonsensical. It's pretty bad but if they can just iron out the kinks, it could be a much better show.
Don't waste your time by RongoRongoMu	Jan 13th, 2008 09:29:05 AM
T3 raped the Terminator franchise to death, now Sarah Connor Chronicles is defiling the corpse. Next, the Future War trilogy will be selling the snuff film of it all.
I'll have to admit... by BrandonGK	Jan 13th, 2008 09:33:46 AM
...Terminator without Cameron and Schwarzenegger is definately an iffy proposition, but it doesn't look horrible and certainly has potential. Hell look at it this way, it's either this or American Gladiators.
Terminator Girl may be cheesy, but.... by BetaRayBill07	Jan 13th, 2008 09:33:53 AM
You'd do her. You know you would. Unless you are gay. Which you may be, idk.
I don't think Schwarzenegger is as integral to the franchise... by rbatty024	Jan 13th, 2008 09:56:37 AM
as some. Sure, he was a great part of the first two movies, but I think there's a wider story to be told. Besides, his involvement didn't save T3.
I disagree FILMFUNK by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 10:09:00 AM
In fact, a Terminator completing its mission within the first few minutes of episode 1 could be fascinating if done right. These things have 120 year batteries supposedly, what is it supposed to do once it's completed its mission? A career in Hollywood? Run for Congress? Start a computer company? The possibilities are endless and really, never been explored much (except in a sense in one of the comics that I know of).
I Dunno, what about ... by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 10:14:03 AM
In the first Terminator film, the T800 is able to find Sarah Connor's mother and imitate her in a phone conversation with her own daughter so well that she's completely fooled and gives away their location to it (when at that point, they'd completely given the T800 the slip and it had almost no chance of finding them if they stayed put and told no-one). That seems quite subtle indeed. I agree, the crashing cars through doors of police stations and the like - less so.
I SAW THE PILOT AND ... by timmer33	Jan 13th, 2008 10:19:29 AM
Compared to what else is on tv, it was pretty amazing. It veers from the established movie history, but the mechanics/logic behind this is well explained. The characters are all well cast. The only bit I didn't like was the 30 seconds of action at the VERY beginning. Ignore this and the rest is excellent. "Terminator Girl" was great in it. The reviewer in the article above had some good points, but remember, even the films had things like Arnie saying "Talk to the hand." Frankly, I was surprised by the pilot. If you devote an hour of your life to this tonight, you won't be disappointed. I saw it about four months ago, and have been waiting to see what happens next. If you watch tonight, you'll see what I mean ...
Pilot was weak..show will do ok... by ls420	Jan 13th, 2008 10:35:53 AM
it came off like a fan made film to me, even Summer wasnt enough to save the pilot for me. The bad terminator was AWFUL! I hope they reshoot his stuff....eeek
t3 was ok. i dont see how it raped the franchise by BMacSmith	Jan 13th, 2008 10:39:24 AM
pretty much the same as the others, maybe a little generic and repetitive the ending was great
T3 was 'ok' by br1947	Jan 13th, 2008 10:41:48 AM
The problem is it wasn't T1 or T2. On it's own it's a decent action flick, but compared to it's siblings, well, it's a retard. Most movies compared to T2 suck. About "Terminator Girl"... if it was anyone other than Summer Glau, I might be annoyed. Summer kicking ass brings back fond memories of shows past... Maybe Zoe Bell, but only if she got to be an evil terminator. I'm just hoping it survives long enough that Arnie gets out of politics and makes a "Guest Apperance". That would be freaking awesome.
Milwaukee by Alientoast	Jan 13th, 2008 10:46:40 AM
I thought the pilot was decent...I'll be watching ep2. And this Milwaukee reviewer has NEVER seen Terminator 1 or 2? What the frak? Judging from his review, he probably doesn't like any sci-fi. "I hear people talking about this thing called 'Star Wars', but lets talk about a true gem of the cinema: Heaven's Gate".
sure, Shan by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 10:49:32 AM
Termanators are good at detective qwork but once they get a target in their sites, they lose it and start shooting. Is that smart? Not really But it comes from beinf from a future where everyone has guns (mush more accurate ones) and human life is worthless so the scene in the classroom seems at least consistant.
and about the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel guy... by br1947	Jan 13th, 2008 11:05:19 AM
Huh? How the hell are you an entertainment reporter and miss two of the biggest movies in the last 30 years? Shit, T2 was a freaking cultural icon. I understand people not seeing sci-fi flicks in general but, the Terminator series trancended the genre and brought in people that usually avoid anything scifi. This is why people don't (and often shouldn't)listen to critics.
and just incase you also want to email the Milwaukee guy by br1947	Jan 13th, 2008 11:10:16 AM
jweintraub@journalsentinel.com Really, how can an 'entertainment reporter' not see Terminator movies...
good or bad by Jor-El23	Jan 13th, 2008 11:11:57 AM
it'll do well because there's nothing else on.
*Milwaukee "lady" by br1947	Jan 13th, 2008 11:12:20 AM
stupid pictures right infront of my face...
Talk to the hand. by Billyeveryteen	Jan 13th, 2008 11:18:19 AM
T3 was ass. Remote controled vehicles?? Yuck.
Why all the T3 hate? by kdoc13	Jan 13th, 2008 11:21:35 AM
I will admit that T3 did not have Cameron directing and it didn't have the look to it. But it had all the rest of the essentials. Badass new updated version of a terminator, the chase scene which could be the best of all the terminator movies, No Edward Furlong (always a good thing), Arnold, and the future toys like the hover jet. Awesome. Even the basic story was made to have continuity with the originals, and pulled it off well. Nothing you can do to escape Armageddon? Brilliant! Why wouldn't the Terminator's have secondary targets? I really don't get all the hate on this movie. It was meant to be a bridge to the Future War with the Terminator's movie, and it worked brilliantly. Don't hate, appreciate.
Like a rubbernecker drawn to a car wreck by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 13th, 2008 11:22:39 AM
I'll have to watch the premiere just so I can say with first hand authority that this sucks.
Sgt. Candy sez: by future help	Jan 13th, 2008 11:36:29 AM
this show was never asked for.
I would watch this... by Holy Hell	Jan 13th, 2008 11:37:21 AM
if The Wire wasn't on tonight. I couldn't live with myself if I let my inner sci-fi geek win out over my latent sense of moral outrage at the state of urban America. Damnit- how I long for simpler times...
T3 was a comedy by Pipple	Jan 13th, 2008 11:43:57 AM
that ended with some cool monologue so people would forget about the stupid boob inflation and arnold jokes.
isn't anyone pissed off that T:TSSC rips off ST:First Contact? by captain_kirk	Jan 13th, 2008 11:45:42 AM
The whole torso-on-a-crane thing? TOtal rip off of Alice Krige's intro as the Borg Queen. I find it annoying.
The weird alignment of two scifi classics by johnnyangel	Jan 13th, 2008 11:46:55 AM
The Terminator and Serenity. I'm there, dude.
Sarah's Chance to Live Via Time Travel Quirk by Patrick Casey	Jan 13th, 2008 11:55:58 AM
Thanks for the review, Herc. I believe I read in one review that the series is clearly set in between T2 and T3, and that the usage of Sky-net/Terminator time travel technology creates some kind of an alternate time line, one where Sarah Connor has a chance to live. Kind of gimmicky, but if the series is good I'm willing to go with it. That particular review also referred to some of the writing as Whedonesq, which is also a plus in my book. We'll see.
OLD NEWS! by Sovikos	Jan 13th, 2008 12:13:20 PM
Shit I watched this back in August! Wake up HERC!
Cameron & Cameron by kafka07	Jan 13th, 2008 12:14:55 PM
Herc I agreed with all your points. This show has some good, and some bad, and overall probably a bit more bad than good. I read most of those snipets you posted by the media outlets, some seemed honest, while others reaked of ass-kissing and stupidity. Whether one likes this new series or not, it doesn't come close to living up to T1 & T2. The makers flatter themselves by naming the female terminator after James Cameron.
Show's pretty good by theoyboy	Jan 13th, 2008 12:20:37 PM
Better than T3 (and I own that damn thing). I think the casting was perfect and the new female terminator makes it convincing because of her eyes. The bank vault scene was great. Very creative and I hope for more scenes that show some originality to a series that hasn't had any in over a decade.
Looks like my biggest worry has been realized by tompiltoff	Jan 13th, 2008 01:38:25 PM
Humanizing the terminators. 'Class dismissed'? There's no REASON for that. Comments like 'I see everything' were worked in to make Arnold seem like he was mechanical but still seem badass.
Cameron turned his back on the movie industry by emeraldboy	Jan 13th, 2008 01:40:33 PM
and made a series of Nice looking but boring documentaries about the the bismarck and the titanic all the while using/testing state of the art technology for his comeback next year or the year after that or whenever When Avatar is out. This is the era of the quikly disappointed. If the poster looks shit, the movie will be shit to. I dont agree with all that movie sado-maschism. going to the movies and complaining , saying we wont go and be disappointed and then go and complain how shite the film is afterwards. and then do all over again.
Multiple Terminators perhaps? by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 01:43:21 PM
That's something they haven't really done - a big scene with a free for all with a number of terminators at once trying to kill John. We could chuck in a bunch of police or National Guard and have a big shootout in a junkyard or something, ending with the obligatory one Terminator with one arm and one leg crawling after John Connor who can't walk because he's been shot or drunk too much or something ...
Point by NudeandAroused	Jan 13th, 2008 01:44:43 PM
Here is my point. Like "Lost" we already know the end game here. The Terminators will all fail to kill John Conner. Why? because John Conner exists in the future. You cannot change the past because it is the past. I don't see how the show can work. I will give it a shot. But the conclusion is already foregone.
As for the humour by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 01:49:38 PM
I found the Terminator worked best the less he said. Terminator 1, he had a lot of menace. Terminator 2, the dialogue didn't work anywhere near as well. As for the 'jokes', there was a number of deadpan lines that were quite funny, such as in the gunstore "Wrong" and also when you see the T800's CPU going through possible responses to the landlord banging on his door and what he ends up choosing. Admittedly T1 set up good joke for T2 with the line "Get Out", which was even funnier with the chopper in T2 than it was in T1 and the truck.
Seeker7 by The-Duke-of-New-York	Jan 13th, 2008 01:50:46 PM
If I remember correctly, in the first two films, the point was that Skynet had been defeated and was out of time, and so could only send 2 Terminators. By the time of the third film, the timeline had changed, but I tend to think that it was roughly the same situation. But then, I dunno shit. It's also an action movie. But it at least makes an attempt to explain away that plot hole. Generations III, the comic book series, has an army of parademons traveling back in time by 100 years each time they're defeated by the DCU heroes, also sealing that plot hole. Though, it creates a new one, like, why they didn't attack in the past when at full strength.
Maybe the Terminators won't fail. by Shan	Jan 13th, 2008 01:56:24 PM
What they could do as a stunning plot twist is let the machines win. The tricky way to do this is make the humans think they've won. So in the far future when the humans think they've destroyed Skynet at the very end, suddenly it's revealed key members of the resistance have been replaced (or always were) Terminators and they kill everyone else (they somehow solved that dog problem). Or they put a bomb or something where the victory party was meeting - or something that kills everyone and leaves Skynet victorious and no-one left to go back in time again to stop it. In a nutshell, make all that time travel a distraction for Skynet to line everyone up in the far, far future where it could kill them all. Well, no-one would expect that as an ending would they?
shooting immediately is in character for terminators by troutpencil	Jan 13th, 2008 02:03:26 PM
Missing is not.
yeah, what annoys me... by turketron	Jan 13th, 2008 02:30:41 PM
Is how terrible a shot the terminator in this show is. Ah well, we can't have the heroes getting shot up that easily I guess, so I'll suspend disbelief for now.
poor shot terminators.... by Rameses	Jan 13th, 2008 02:35:44 PM
This was something that buged me in the films, the terminators are sophisticated killing machines , but can't seem to lock on and hit a target twenty foot away!!!???
Everyone knows terminators are supposed to be witty (remember "T by punto	Jan 13th, 2008 02:38:33 PM
"class dismissed" is an improvement over that. so is "we're making a withdrawal". Also, if terminators have been coming back after T2, maybe they came back and changed something that made sarah survive.. It's not like the "future" during T3 is the same as the one during T1 and T2, since they blew up skynet..
Tell me the season when the love story begins... by Johnno	Jan 13th, 2008 02:42:37 PM
The one with the episode of John Connor trying to get laid by this chick terminator while she slowly grows more human and develops feelings...
shit, it cut my subject by punto	Jan 13th, 2008 02:43:29 PM
I was saying "remember TALK TO THE HAND?"
^ You know it'll happen... by Johnno	Jan 13th, 2008 02:51:01 PM
She'll develop so many human emotions that she'd be indistinguishable from a normal human being in time... And that's how the Terminator series ends... with human and robot being a couple showing both their kinds that we can all get along thus no future war takes place and everyone is happy! Robots and their human overlords, thus paving the way for a reeboot or sequel to said series that rips off Mamorou Oshii Ghost in the shell Innocence where robots used for sexual pleasure begin killing their human clientelle thus setting humanity up for another fall and inevitable future war and they might try typing it up into the Matrix and Robocop for good measure so it'll be the TV event of the century!
Class dismissed. by greenstyle92	Jan 13th, 2008 02:51:49 PM
Cut out the "class dismissed" line, and the scene as it plays actually isn't so bad. (though your version does make more sense.)
Weak by loonigrrl	Jan 13th, 2008 02:57:57 PM
Yeah, I watched the first hour online. It just doesn't add anything of value to the Terminator story. It was pretty weak, I doubt I'll be watching the show.
Time lines. by greenstyle92	Jan 13th, 2008 03:01:39 PM
I don't give a shit about the timelines. The time lines of the terminators was always dubious. (You can't reconcile Terminator 1 to Terminator 2. Skynet comes to existence in a time loop whereby Skynet is created from technology in a future where Skynet exists. This is already a major paradox. You can't even reconcile Terminator 1 to itself: John Connor exists because adult John sent Reese back in time to screw his mom. Therefore John Connor causes himself to exist, which is another paradox.) Everybody forgets about Terminator 2:3D at universal studios that posits that Skynet was not taken out by adult Connor but rather 15 year old connor travelling to the future with the same Model 101 that was destroyed at the end of part 2. And honestly, does anything about T3's "fuzzy logic" post postponement of Judgement day make sense? So yeah, I don't mind the liberties taken for the series. Now if someone were smart, they'd gather all these loose timeline threads and explain that when you apply the Chaos theory to time travel, ofcourse you are going to end up with many alternate time lines, not just one. It's very easy for me to believe the timeline split at Terminator 2, causing a Universe A that houses Terminators 3 and presumably 4, and a Universe B that houses Sarah Connor Chronicles. (And presumably a Universe C housing Terminator 2: 3D)
"if not for the WGA strike.... by otm shank	Jan 13th, 2008 03:04:06 PM
we would be watching 24 instead". Yeah...thanks for reminding me.
After the abortion that was season six. by BrandonGK	Jan 13th, 2008 03:08:41 PM

After the abortion that was season six. by BrandonGK	Jan 13th, 2008 03:09:37 PM
I'm happy to let 24 stay off the air for a while longer, absence does make the heart grow fonder.
How can there be abundant nakedness by skywalkerfamily	Jan 13th, 2008 03:10:52 PM
When you don't really see anything?
yeah... by turketron	Jan 13th, 2008 03:23:37 PM
The nakedness is of the blue balls variety. Nothing shown. Wish it was on HBO or Showtime. Something tells me that having sex with a Terminator wouldn't be very fun. Do they even give off body heat? I always thought of the tin cans as room temperature, regardless of if they are covered in living tissue. I'd rather bang a Cylon any day of the week.
I have an idea for 24!!! by greenstyle92	Jan 13th, 2008 03:24:38 PM
Since the strike has it "on hiatus," we should spread a rumor that it's cancelled. All talkbackers and message boarders should just refer to 24 as if it's cancelled. Do that on the internet enough, and people will beleive it's true.* That way, 24 will never come back! huzzah! *two examples of this: Because the season 4 episode of JLU was entitled "epilogue," nerds across the internet got fooled into thinking it was the last episode, Herc included. Also: when Weta was doing the documentary for the restored edition of the original King Kong, they did they're own recreation of the Spider pit scene. This confused one insider who spread the rumor that they had FOUND the spider pit scene, and it got so widely believed that Weta almost STOPPED filming there recreation which was the basis for the rumor! luckily someone got there head out of there ass just in time for that one!
You know, Turketron... by greenstyle92	Jan 13th, 2008 03:28:31 PM
you should try obtaining some living tissue, (like from a pig or something,) apply it to a tin can, cut a slit in it to form a crude makeshift Vagina, and attempt having sex with it. granted, the tissue wouldn't stay alive very long, so you'd have to work fast. But, that would be the closest equivalent to having sex with a Terminator.
This has been available on the web since summer '07. by Mike_D	Jan 13th, 2008 03:32:24 PM
Already saw the pilot, it was impressive.
Very lame show... by JimCurry	Jan 13th, 2008 03:36:20 PM
Boring and lifeless...
T1 > T3 > T2 by odysseus	Jan 13th, 2008 03:51:13 PM
Seriously. I'm not joking.
Now that I think about it... by greenstyle92	Jan 13th, 2008 03:55:55 PM
It seems clear that there must have been 2 alternate timelines BEFORE Terminator 1. specifically, timelines that did NOT have time travel in them. To wit: Timeline -1: The original time travel-free history. John Connor does not exist. Skynet does not exist. However, the following things do exist: Kyle Reese exists. The processor which makes skynet possible does exist, but presumably took longer to invent. Again note, this processor is NOT skynet. But it IS technology which will be used for Skynet. And then someone invents time travel. Since there is no Skynet, it stands to reason there is no war. Never the less, both Reese and the processor must travel back to 1984. Since there is no war, we don't know why they do this. Maybe it was an accident. Maybe Reese worked on the time machine and it was an experiment. So, Reese inserts the processor into his rectum and travels back through time, creating Timeline 0 Timeline 0:He finds a waitress named Sarah Connor and knocks her up, creating John Connor. The processor finds it's way out of Reese's rectum and into the hands of Miles Dyson, who more or less creates Skynet and starts the machine war. Reese of universe -1 dies at some point. there is another reese of universe 0 though, who is younger and joins John Connor's army. John Connor leads humanity to victory over Skynet. Skynet sends 2 terminators, (the terminator of film 1 and the t1000) back through time. John Connor sends Reese 0 back through time. this creates... Timeline 1: this is the timeline that the first and second movie take place in. By destroying Cyberdine at the end of the second movie, the connors have upset the causality of Skynet and the future war and the existence of any future technology. We are to assume, there fore, that there was a timeline schism creating 2 different reconciliatory timelines: Universe T3 and Universe TSCC.
John Connor gets kicked out of high school by kabong	Jan 13th, 2008 04:45:47 PM
for cheating on the Kobayashi Maru test which screws up the continuity. Skynet rules!
Biggest problem with the show - SPOILER by bralli	Jan 13th, 2008 05:38:10 PM
The first movie made it seem like the Time Machine was a MAJOR piece of machinery that the rebels had to capture and eventually destroy. The television series has us accept that a terminator can actually assemble a working time machine (from current day parts and electronics) inside a bank vault!
Loved T1 and T3, Thought T2 Blew by LaserPants	Jan 13th, 2008 05:46:34 PM
T1 was the only "smart" one; the only one worthy or the moniker "classic." T3 was great because it ramped up the camp factor, the exploitation factor (Terminatrix w/ resizable roboboobs! How pervy keen and geekadelic!) and it features the best action set pieces and efx of the bunch. T2, for me, was the low point. For one because I DESPISE the idea of Father Figure Terminator -- absolutely the most ridiculous and corny element of the entire series. For another, that awful Guns n Roses song and video. GnR being, without question, the very epitome of everything uncool. Third, the corny gravitas of things like "no fate but what we make!" Please, Cameron, do lighten up. Finally, John Conner himself. I despised that kid, but I liked the way he was portrayed in T3 as a homeless drug addict. Of course, I know that lots of people love T2 to an obsessive, borderline schizophrenic and disturbing degree. To those fans, please keep in mind that this is only my opinion, and I respect yours, I just don't agree. So please, keep the flames down while feeling free to counter my opinions without resorting to name calling or other silliness. They're just movies after all. Thanks.
The only plot hole involving time travel by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 05:50:30 PM
Is when Reese said the Terminator was sent back first. Now we can pretty much assume that without Reese, Sarah would be dead. Therefore the instantly the first Terminator was sent back, history would change and Reese wouldn't have a chance to go back himself. That's the only real plot hole.
Guns R Roses fucking rules. by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 05:51:21 PM
douche.
My Favorite GnR Moments by LaserPants	Jan 13th, 2008 05:55:29 PM
1) When Axl wanted to "beat up" Kurt Cobain because Nirvana made hair metal irrelevant. Beat up! Haha! How 3rd grade! 2) When Axl, now weighing about 350 pounds with dreadlocks, limped and tone-deafedly squawked through the aborted GnR redux. When is that comeback happening anyway? Oh, I know when -- N-E-V-E-R.
IDUNNO by DamnMichaelBay	Jan 13th, 2008 05:59:45 PM
I Dunno: Predestination forgives all!! Damn Michael Bay!
If they have time machines by skywalkerfamily	Jan 13th, 2008 06:22:45 PM
Why not just go to the past and prevent the time machine from ever being built in the first place?
It's generally accept that a GnR reuinion would kill by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 06:28:58 PM
if Axl ever got this shit together. Nirvana was already on the decline when Kurt offed himself. And Gnr wasn't a hair metal band since 1986.
Slash rules by skywalkerfamily	Jan 13th, 2008 06:30:50 PM
I got to meet Slash last month. I said, "Hey Slash." and he said, "Hey."
Nirvana Was On The Decline? by LaserPants	Jan 13th, 2008 06:53:05 PM
I'm not really even a big Nirvana fan; if anything, I think they were overrated. But, if memory serves, they were pretty much the most popular thing going from 1991 till about, what, 1994 when the dude killed himself? The guy has since been catapulted to the status of legend, with at least two high profile movies made about him, and pretty much unanimous critical and market praise. GnR? Not so much. Meanwhile, all the hair metal bands -- of which GnR was most definately apart of -- fey, glam 'metal' laughed at by hardcore thrash, grind, and other 'core" metal heads -- had pretty much disappeared in their wake. Swept away. Literally disappeared overnight. Of course, they were merely replaced by a genre only marginally better -- "grunge" (aka classic rock mixed with punk). But at least grunge wasn't quite as bad / corny as, say, Poison, Motley Crue, Ratt, GnR, and all the rest of 'em now thankfully locked away in the vault with their hairspray, makeup, frilly colored pirate shirts, spandex, and coke straws. The sign on the door marked "Did People Actually Listen To This Shit? Dang!"
Wow. This is pretty good! by skywalkerfamily	Jan 13th, 2008 07:10:04 PM
Visuals and acting were great for TV series. Nice stuff.
guns n roses..... by MRX67	Jan 13th, 2008 07:12:18 PM
was never considered a 'hair metal band.'
Looks good so far by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 07:17:01 PM
Glau....yum
its ok... by mrph0enix	Jan 13th, 2008 07:17:46 PM
The show is just ok so far...but Glau made it better!
Not since moles on "24".... by uss cygnus	Jan 13th, 2008 07:19:06 PM
Has there been such stupidity on television.
So The Teased Hair And Spandex Was Incidental? by LaserPants	Jan 13th, 2008 07:22:37 PM
Um, yeah, GnR was considered hair metal -- they were hand in hand w/ Motley Crue, Poison, Ratt, and all the rest.
what happened to the celeb reality rehab thread? by nrn	Jan 13th, 2008 07:23:51 PM
It vanished what gives?
LaserPants by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 07:28:18 PM
Like I said, they cut out the glam shit in 1986. After that, mostly everyone too off the make up. It also wasn't close to the syle of glam rock. Obviously you weren't there. But who gives a shit. This show is actually good.
Was she from Usbekistan? by travis-dane	Jan 13th, 2008 07:33:27 PM
We got some pretty hot Terminators here!
I wonder if this Terminator has to follow John's orders too by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 07:35:47 PM
He has to get her before she's too battle damaged...or does he?
¿qué? by notaneel	Jan 13th, 2008 07:36:49 PM
i thought they were supposed to be in latin america training to be rambos...
GnR might have been a hair band but....... by Han Cholo	Jan 13th, 2008 07:40:31 PM
You have to acknowledge that Slash is without a doubt, one of the absolute BEST guitarists in music. Oh yeah and November Rain and Estranged are awesome songs.
Guns and Roses was not hair metal. by Richard Cranium	Jan 13th, 2008 07:44:46 PM
Anybody who doesn't know the difference between the 2 couldn't have possibly lived through that era.
not bad so far but Glau by palewook	Jan 13th, 2008 07:47:57 PM
makes it better. will be sad when fox cancels this in 3-4 weeks.
This is highly derivarive of T2 but for a tv show by I Dunno	Jan 13th, 2008 07:48:19 PM
it's pretty damn good. It won't last the month.
yeah pretty much just T2 with a much lower budget by BMacSmith	Jan 13th, 2008 08:01:25 PM
its tv so what do you expect. its ok.
One hell of a dogfight? by KentButabi	Jan 13th, 2008 08:01:28 PM
I cannot believe David Nutter directed this. That was lame.
I liked it... by Arashikage	Jan 13th, 2008 08:02:08 PM
Have to ignore T3, which I'm ok with, considering T3 ignored T2. And I was wondering the same thing about her cooch; real or metal?
Class dismissed? by dr_john_zoidberg	Jan 13th, 2008 08:02:13 PM
"Class dismissed." I'd have pissed my pants if I'd seen that tonight instead of having to work. Alas, I miss both parts of Terminator AND the new Prison Break tomorrow. Sigh.
I wonder of John Connor loses his virginity to girl terminator by Mike_D	Jan 13th, 2008 08:03:38 PM
mark my words.
Pick a better alias, kid! by ProzacMorris	Jan 13th, 2008 08:04:38 PM
John Reese? This show thinks it's so clever. I think his alias should be Neal Funderbauher. There's no way a "terminator-of-the-week" would catch on to that!
I think that he will fall for a human girl and . . . by ProzacMorris	Jan 13th, 2008 08:05:32 PM
girl terminator won't know how to cope.
AT ONE POINT by lecter1914	Jan 13th, 2008 08:09:14 PM
I thought John was going to come out of the closet. Not that thats a bad thing, but hes a little soft for my john connor taste.
I also think that he will fall for a human girl and . . . by KentButabi	Jan 13th, 2008 08:11:05 PM
girl terminator won't know how to cope. But we will only see that happen in 2009. When the DVD set is released. Which contains three unaired episodes. B/c FOX cancelled it after only six episodes.
Not Bad Actually.. by AustinX420	Jan 13th, 2008 08:11:11 PM
I thought it was pretty good. I had pretty low expectations for this whole thing, but I was kinda impressed.
Mike D by BetaRayBill07	Jan 13th, 2008 08:12:04 PM
Yeah, its gonna happen- book it. Mmmmmm.......Summer Glau......
T for 2 by BurgerTime	Jan 13th, 2008 08:13:20 PM
Not bad. There were a few cheesy parts, but where the first episode really glowed were in its direct links to T2's locations and imagery. The visit to Dyson's house, the police search for Dysons murderer, the time travel effects. Very strong. Its weakest moments were in those scenes where the producers tried to replace the iconic actors. Arnie, Linda Hamilton. It should be a fairly strong action series. I just hope it stays tight and doesn't devolve into the typical prime time teen angst soap opera.
Mixed bag by The_Fredo	Jan 13th, 2008 08:13:44 PM
Ok for first episode it wasn't too bad. It did feel as if they rushed right into the Terminator hunting John part. Rather than the whole "class dismissed" bit, I'd have rather they show the 2 terminators infiltrating the school and slowly hunting John. More like the first movie. But it hasn't done anything to get me to cancel that Season Pass yet. So we'll see...
I'd totally do that terminator by YO MOM'S GOAT	Jan 13th, 2008 08:15:12 PM
The male one. Wait...
Actually better than I expected by YO MOM'S GOAT	Jan 13th, 2008 08:17:45 PM
And I didn't mind the Reese alias. Good shout out to my boy Michael Beihn. There were a bunch of things in there that were tossed in just for fans of the movies. Things your crazy perv uncle who only tuned in to see nubile young naked girls with guns won't catch because Arnold threatens his masculinity. But I did hate that this basically ret-conned all of T-3. I liked T-3.
Just saw Part 1 - Read by Cassie4486	Jan 13th, 2008 08:18:02 PM
I loved it! Sorry Herc, but the scene you hated, "Class Dismissed" was a nod towards Arnold's classic line, "I'll be back". I'm surprised you didn't pick up on it! The series is fast paced, no doubt about it. From the opening scene to the end (love the vault scene!). What I love about it? There's no CGI other than fancy makeup to show the terminator's getting hit. Other than that, its the old movie style of filming! Herc pretty much describes the series. I disagree with the Arnold comment about the new terminator. He gives the Terminator more life than Arnold did walking around in black glasses. Herc I think you forgot, these are different Terminator's, these aren't the same ones as when Arnold was around. These actually pass for human with some personality involved. Hence, the comment, "What model are you?". I think this series has serious potential. It picks up about 2 years after the last Terminator 2 movie (forget about Term 3 movie). And was that the same woman who played Dyson's wife back in the movie version? Looks alot like her including the house!
I'd give it 8 out of 10 by chaseguy17	Jan 13th, 2008 08:21:50 PM
This show can surrvive but i'm kind of doubting (as the fox forums for this show are completely dead) This show was looking like a 6 out of 10 till the last twenty minutes. I'd give bionic woman's premier a measly 4 or 5 out of 10. What made the show work for me was the time travel aspect. They can actually have a show with that, rather than a new weekly terminator who comes after them. I enjoyed the whole 1963 safety deposit box with the time machine stationed there. If they can add more cool time travel stuff, and mess around with that, the show could really take off.
T for 3 by BurgerTime	Jan 13th, 2008 08:27:06 PM
Oh yeah, and one more thing. Herc said that T3 has basically been ignored b/c Connor survives past the 1997 date when she supposedly died of cancer. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "doubling back" on oneself because of time travel mean that there are now TWO Sarah Connors existing in 1997 at the end of episode 1? It now sets up the possibility that ONE of them could succumb to cancer while the other survives. Not to mention that there are now 2 John Connors. That's the beauty of time travel. What Sarah and John are we talking about in T3? You can basically follow either version now, and both stories would be correct. Confused yet? LoL
I think I'll... by mrmgp	Jan 13th, 2008 08:31:24 PM
...pass on this. For me, the whole Terminator saga ended with the second movie.
Is this the same two episodes... by I Hope You Die	Jan 13th, 2008 08:31:53 PM
...that have been around for like a year now? I thought it aired already and got canceled. WTF?
Timelines Again by Aquatarkusman	Jan 13th, 2008 08:50:31 PM
Someone who's been paying attention... tell me if I'm right on the details here. We're assuming that T3 doesn't exist and the deadlines for Skynet becoming operational have moved up to 2011. SCC starts off in 1999, several years after T2 ends. They sent Summer back further in time to create anti-Terminator weapons and a time machine in a bank, proving that Terminators hadn't stopped being produced (i.e. the Joe Morton gambit, based on the second of two time-paradoxes, failed). Now... why did they jump 8 years in the future instead of 3 or 4? If they were actually successful, then wouldn't Summer cease to exist; i.e. her existence proves they were never successful? OW! NOSE BLEED!
...to 2007 and get crushed by an SUV by Hikaru Ichijo	Jan 13th, 2008 08:51:42 PM
I could go for some more Fem-bot whoopin' ass. Too bad it's not on cable.
BTW, I Loved Terminator 3 by Aquatarkusman	Jan 13th, 2008 08:53:53 PM
Too bad the timeline didn't get picked up, but it was a great popcorn movie. Only problem was the remote-controlled vehicles and the fact that "Casualties: 0" flashes across Arnie's eye-screen. As for this series, the main problem is that Sarah and John look like older sister/young brother.
Followed by Ricardo Montalban on Family Guy by Anakin Whoopass	Jan 13th, 2008 08:54:08 PM
"Including my beloved wife." Who knew Family Guy could make a SUBTLE pop culture reference?
I'm out by Giphangster	Jan 13th, 2008 08:55:43 PM
I came to the decision today that will absolutely not watch this show. Ever. Also, I am seriously going to try and forget "Terminator 3" ever existed. Everything after T2 is nothing more than fan-fiction. Period. James Cameron created the characters and this story. This is like some douche writing a sequel to "The Stand" and the book being published as an official sequel. Um, no. Unless King wrote it, it isn't real. It's speculation, pure and simple. Same goes for the Terminator franchise, including the new trilogy.
Not bad by NudeandAroused	Jan 13th, 2008 08:56:03 PM
Not a bad show at all. Will keep giving it a shot. My wife, I'll call her "Clothed and Flacid" recognized Johnny Gavin from 'Rescue Me.'
My take on it... by ZeroCorpse	Jan 13th, 2008 09:13:05 PM
Story-wise, it's OK. I like the basic concept, and the actors are all decent (and in the case of John, even better.) My only problem is that it's so "made for tv" that it's annoying. What I'm talking about primarily is the way the music swells and takes on that "we'll be back after this message" tone and percussive hit just before a commercial break. I can't explain it, exactly, but the way they go to the ad space is just dumb-sounding, and the fact that they film it that way, with a musical swell, big reveal, then black-out with a percussive hit, is just so annoying that it hurts what could otherwise be a film-like experience. Also, they're messing with Terminator science here. The rules of time travel are supposed to be that you can go BACK, not forward, yet John and Sarah going forward is the whole point of this show. It damages the whole story by suggesting they can do this, because it opens up possibilities that were said to be impossible in the movies. Note to people who write the scores for television action/drama shows: Don't "build up" to the commercial break. Really. It sounds stupid when you put that lame-ass "doo doo doo doo DUM!" sort of thing right before an ad. You know what I'm talking about!!! Don't do it. And directors: Please don't use each and every commercial break as an opportunity for a half-assed "reveal." It breaks the mood, seriously. Oh WHY can't American television be like British television? The lack of forced commercial breaks makes British shows seem much more coherent and less cheesy. I shudder to think of what Doctor Who would be like with commercial breaks every ten minutes... "Doctor! It's the Master!" (doo doo doo doo DUM!!! Black out.) {ad for Mucinex, McDonalds, Playstation 3} Yes, I know we very nearly got that, too. I have the American Doctor Who pilot on tape somewhere around here... But that doesn't make it right.
Hold on a minute... by ewokstew	Jan 13th, 2008 09:13:41 PM
This person from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel says they haven't seen any of the Terminator movies? Are you kidding me? This is their movie/TV critic? Yikes!
Bad Terminator Aim by InActionMan	Jan 13th, 2008 09:18:47 PM
Those of you complaining about the the Terminator's poor aim must have missed this in the credits: "All Terminators trained at the A-Team school of Marksmanship. Mr. T Head Instructor."
no CGI? by Bouncy X	Jan 13th, 2008 09:18:54 PM
someone said there was none, did they miss that dream sequence at the beginning with the CGI robot walking through the fire towards sarah? considering the producers on this were involved with T3, i'm surprised they didnt just continue where that left off and maybe make some sorta bridge to T4. i mean i'm sure they did the sarah/john thing because of how hugely popular T2 is but yeah.
That was badass!!!! by jojo-pimp	Jan 13th, 2008 09:21:41 PM
Two hot ass frickin chics, kicking ass...lots of explosions, decent acting. who cares if its 100 percent "canon"! God i hate that frickin term on this website everytime someone tries to take a series in a new direction or something. Its a tv show, and as far as i am concerned, better than half the shit out there right now. I'll be watching it tommorrow night!
Lena Headey..... by jojo-pimp	Jan 13th, 2008 09:22:09 PM
I'd let her dump on my chest :)
Am I the first... by mraig	Jan 13th, 2008 09:22:37 PM
to propose calling the female terminator the "Herminator"?
did anyone watch the so-called "golden globes"? by jig98	Jan 13th, 2008 09:29:10 PM
they were really fucking retarted this year. i hope they don't fuck up the oscars or...there will be blood. no pun intended. i still haven't seen that yet.
I actually forgot about Golden Globes.... by jojo-pimp	Jan 13th, 2008 09:30:16 PM
what a joke this year. sucks though for the performers who worked really hard to earn a nomination or win.
herc reviewed the unaired pilot by hellnback	Jan 13th, 2008 09:33:53 PM
ok so i didn't see the first minute or so of the show tonight, but i will say that the whole incident in the classroom was cut out. no stupid terminator saying cheesy lines was ever seen in the aired pilot. there were other parts that i also missed, so i don't know if they left out the cgi terminator effects. to me it looked like the show started with the camera's view of the road. instead we get sarah wearing a waitress' outfit, like in the unaired pilot, wander into the school and somehow find john conner reading in the library. she tells him it's time to go and they walk outside to be confronted by the police. they get thrown into seperate cars and thats when the "wannabe" terminator" shows up. from there the pilot was kinda the same as the unaired one. herc mentioned that sarah died in 97 but isn't that the date they went back too? now they can set it up to look like she did die that year.
It felt like the Chris Farley Show by jimbojones123	Jan 13th, 2008 09:34:42 PM
Remember in Terminator 2 when you said.... Dyson Must be around still or they wouldn't have recast. Serenity chick, much better looking. The new Terminator Guy blames most of it on his brother (Good to see another hack from "The Nine" sparing it up some more). Does this not only blow T3 out of continuity, but also T2:3D from Universal Studios.
So Cameron's obviously a T-800 or T-850... by ZeroCorpse	Jan 13th, 2008 09:37:32 PM
But what's her model number for her form/face? I mean, Arnold was a T-800 and a T-850, depending on which movie you're talking about, but his appearance designation is T-101. So what's Cameron, then?
If T3 could be cut, why not TPM, AOTC, and ROTS??? by jimbojones123	Jan 13th, 2008 09:38:09 PM
I sense a total Prequel revamping coming around. Lucas will again rape us for billions and again produce a story that we already know and neglect 7-9 AGAIN!!!
Cue Comic book guy voice... by Darth_Nader	Jan 13th, 2008 09:38:58 PM
Gun battle in the first apartment, and the Terminator's bullets can't even penetrate a vintage 70's recliner? It's fairly obvious to me that the Skynet comes from the Terminator they blew up in the vault. You could clearly see it blew into pieces, not vaporized. Oh, and the producers must have been really pulling to get this in for a Sept 07 slot, so the episodes could run in real time. Ooops.
Terminator Chick is a new breed by jimbojones123	Jan 13th, 2008 09:39:27 PM
But she is to SAVE the Terminators!!! Oh, and she is the mom.
It was actually much better than any Sci Fi by skywalkerfamily	Jan 13th, 2008 09:45:11 PM
channel series except for BSG. It was a lot better than Bionic Woman that's for sure. These people could actually act.
i would pound this sarah connor all night by BMacSmith	Jan 13th, 2008 09:47:13 PM
unlike hamilton. she was too manly
Darth_Nader by LoopyDAVE76	Jan 13th, 2008 10:00:10 PM
There was a line about the recliner being reinforced with kevlar, fyi...
Anyone who likes T3 and hates T2... by UMAGA	Jan 13th, 2008 10:06:54 PM
Is a fucking dip shit and wouldn't know quality if it hit them in the faces with it's giant cock.
The John Connor in T3 was better by skywalkerfamily	Jan 13th, 2008 10:09:20 PM
than the one in T2.
I totally agree with Herc by PornKing	Jan 13th, 2008 10:13:33 PM
His comments were dead on. I also can't help but keep comparing Lena Headey to Linda Hamilton, and Hamilton's character was 1000x more bad-ass and hardcore. Yeah, Hardcore, just how I like everything else.
After reading these talkbacks... by poeticwarriorII	Jan 13th, 2008 10:29:26 PM
I can now understand how Superman Returns made as much money as it did. Simple minded twats who are easily impressed with vapid stinking shit. This show was fucking horrible. I'll give it 3 weeks. And by the way, could one of you email fox and tell those stupid fucks to point the "terminator" the way to the weight room next time. Jesus, Harry could've kicked that guys ass.
PornKing by jimbojones123	Jan 13th, 2008 10:36:02 PM
Dude, Mom's been off duty sor 2 years, haven't you been paying attention???
Nice logic, re: bullets and cover by Zardoz	Jan 13th, 2008 10:39:41 PM
It's always suspension-of-disbelief time in the movies when you apply real physics to how bullets travel and impact on objects, but this was ridiculous: Sarah taking cover behind an ottoman chair and not being hit. Jesus, she would've been riddled with bullets! The only reason I plan on watching this crappy show is for the hot women: I would love a Lena and Summer sandwich!
SR didn't really make that much money by skywalkerfamily	Jan 13th, 2008 10:39:53 PM
It made more money worldwide than it did in the U.S.
That was great...much more action than I thought by Rindain	Jan 13th, 2008 11:17:17 PM
I'm hooked if they can keep up this level of action and story movement.
gonna be like BSG--guessing who the next Cylon will be? by George Newman	Jan 13th, 2008 11:25:21 PM

what kind of Cliffhangers will we get? John almost dying? by George Newman	Jan 13th, 2008 11:26:33 PM
Or Sarah? Over and over and over again?
Prediction that ChickBot will be bad at the end of Season 1 by George Newman	Jan 13th, 2008 11:28:15 PM
A unnecessarily drawn-out double cross; "waiting for that perfect moment for no mistakes."
Not bad by br1947	Jan 13th, 2008 11:29:38 PM
Very glad they went with T2 as a starting point and left most of the campy crap out. Granted the "time-machine-in-a-bank-vault" was a bit much, but hey, it's a show about killer robots from the future, why not? As for all the complaining about 'continuity'... it's a time travel series. There is no such thing as continuity when time travel is concerned, especially if it is central to the plot. Start thinking about multi-verse theories and traveling to parallel timelines. One timeline has Judgement Day in 1997, one in 1999, one in 2011, etc. Each time something changes, continuity automatically goes out the window. Sit back, enjoy the ride: There's nothing else on to watch and Summer Glau makes for good tv.
Total Cheese!! by ulcer	Jan 13th, 2008 11:34:14 PM
"Come with me if you want to live!" This first hour was like a Terminator FAN FILM. Re-using plot elements and phrases from the film, around bad writing. p.s.: You're allowed to like FireFly without accepting Summer Glau in this show. She's completely inappropriate here. her character makes no sense. Nothing makes sense, including the classroom scene, mom being protected from bullets from a chair, mom on-the-run but standing naked in the headlight to be seen by anyone in the car, leaving a gun and a time machine back in 1999, how either can terminator find them, how incapable they are at shooting, etc
this show is ASS by future help	Jan 13th, 2008 11:45:32 PM
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Surprised by Cobbio	Jan 13th, 2008 11:46:04 PM
But in a good way. I wasn't expecting much, but the amount of action, nudity, and cop killing grabbed me. Plus, I hated T3 enough to ignore that entire film, so I'm glad this reboot includes a John Connor with a pulse. He's less whiny and far more believable. I'm also happy we don't have watch Kristanna Loken stink up the screen anymore. She was so good as a Terminator that her career went... absolutely nowhere. Not a coincidence Mostow's misfire sucked in every conceivable way. I'm now looking forward to this new series.
why on earth by zooch	Jan 13th, 2008 11:53:33 PM
would anyone have a kevlar reinforced recliner?
Seriously? A kevlar recliner? by Zardoz	Jan 13th, 2008 11:58:31 PM
C'mon, pull the other leg! Man, that's even more preposterous than what I thought in my previous post. And how did they build a time machine in the bank in 1963? And the future gun? So, so bad...
You know you're all going to watch the second episode by MattmanReturns	Jan 13th, 2008 11:59:58 PM
So don't give me this "IT SUCKED!" bullshit. You were all planning on declaring this show's suckage before you ever saw it, with your your collective trigger fingers on the "post talkback" button all this time. Everything sucks at Aint it Cool, so your "opinions" mean nothing. If they did, "Snakes on a Plane" would be the #1 movie in america.
I'd prefer good... by grendel824	Jan 14th, 2008 12:04:10 AM
... but I'll settle for "fun to watch."
Lena soooooooo pretty!!!! by Ka Dargo	Jan 14th, 2008 12:23:55 AM
Damn, does the camera love her or what??!! The show was good and had some cool moments. Hopefully it will last. As for the comment about when they traveled to 2007 and that the female terminator wouldn't exist dont they have to take sky net out first?
THIS SHOW SUCKS by Sappers Forward	Jan 14th, 2008 12:29:49 AM
I knew it was going to suck even before forcing myself to watch the first episode. Really bad acting. They cut a lot of corners in the FX dpt. Bad writing. Oh well,at least they tried. Too bad it's going to kill the franchise. Sorry Ahnald.
a piece of shit by JimCurry	Jan 14th, 2008 12:32:45 AM
Fuck you, Josh Friedman, you suck.
I liked it better than T3. by greenstyle92	Jan 14th, 2008 12:36:18 AM
It was a more direct and appropriate follow up to T2 than T3 was!
The show wasn't bad by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 01:27:14 AM
I love the first two movies. I fucking hate RISE OF THE MACHINES. Now, "Chronicles" isn't as good as Cameron's films, but it is nowhere near the clusterfuck that is T3. I didn't groan or roll my eyes once, but I didn't exactly get a raging boner either. It isn't groundbreaking, but it's a solid show. It also seemed to actually respect the material, which was not the vibe I got from the third film. Unfortunately, John Connor is still too much of the pussy from T3 and not enough of the badass motherfucker from the beginning of T2. You'd think Sarah would've made a man out of him by now, but I guess we have to make due. I got some weird vibes from the mother/son scenes, though. For example, who would stand that close behind their mother when they are both naked? Anyway, I'll probably watch a few more episodes and eventually lose interest, but I can say that about most shows on television.
The real reason the terminator stabbed himself at class... by chaseguy17	Jan 14th, 2008 01:33:41 AM
All of the dreamcasts must have been sold out. At least he was able to look forward to the VMA's that night.
I agree with you there, Prossor by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 02:03:46 AM
But what do you expect? It's television. The show would be over in three episodes if the terminators were up to a Schwarzenegger level of competence. The T-800 would've strolled into that classroom without preamble and gunned down every student in there. Then he would drive to John Connor's house, kick in the door, and blast the shit out of everything in sight. Then maybe he'd chuck a few grenades in there and blow the shit to hell.
The show was EXACTLY what I expected it to be... by Space Disc Jockey	Jan 14th, 2008 02:10:12 AM
..Meh. It was ok. I expected Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles to lack the great story telling/writing of the James Cameron Terminator films...in other words, to be another TV show and I was right. This is a TV series that should've never been made, nor thought of. Consider it, canon. The fact that it even ignores the events of Terminator 3, proves it (even though, Terminator 3 can also be canon). The Terminator franchise should have ended at Terminator 2, just like Alien 3 should have ended the Alien franchise (unless, Cameron/Scott made Alien 5). Now, there were certainly a lot of plot holes and unanswered questions in this episode... 1. Why was a Terminator acting like an every-day, high school teenager? No other Terminator was able to act "human". I don't think Terminators have yet to reach that advancement of acting like a human. I know John says she is "different", but come on... 2. Where the hell was Cameron staying and how did she track down Sarah/John (after 70 days)? 3. Why didn't we see Cameron and the male Terminator appear from the time "orb", like the films? 4. A recliner was able to hold bullets? 5. Why would the Terminator take the time to place a gun in its fucking leg? Not to mention, just using a pistol to kill John? 6. Constructing a time machine and an ion gun in the 1960's? Uh, yeah. 7. Would Sarah Connor really try to get into another relationship? 8. If the male Terminator killed the teacher, why couldn't we see the teacher being killed? 9. Is it really easy for a Terminator to become a student at a school? There are some others, but the point is that the writing is lame. There were some nice action scenes and cool visuals (and Summer looks nice), but I just don't know. I will watch tomorrow's episode, but I also think this show won't live to see Season 2...
It was better than all of Heroes Season 2 by skywalkerfamily	Jan 14th, 2008 02:17:08 AM
so take that and shove it.
RE: bulletproof recliner by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 02:21:34 AM
One of the cops mentioned it was shielded with kevlar. Though I did have a brief "What the hell?" moment.
T3 a comedy? by JacksParasites	Jan 14th, 2008 02:22:40 AM
You're talking about a movie that has one of the greatest downer endings since Beneath The Planet of the Apes. If the film needed humor to balance out the dark, dark ending. And damn was that ending great. I think T3 holds up to T2 pretty well. The whole thing is about that scene when John explains, what id you knew you were destined to do the most important thing ever and truly become great, but it'd mean millions of people would have to die? It's a great dilemma.
sooner or later there's gotta be an evil robot with good aim by Maniaq	Jan 14th, 2008 02:27:31 AM
that's what they said about the CYLONS! I'm not expecting much from this but DAMN I know I'm gonna watch it anyway!
"I'm Sahgent CANDY!" by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 02:28:47 AM
That is one of the worst fucking things I have ever seen. I don't care if they left it out of the movie. They very fact that they spend the time and money to write and and film it is enough. T3 is a fucking joke. I do agree that the ending is good. It's probably the only good part of the movie. It says you can't stop the future. You can postpone it, but this shit is inevitable. Unfortunately, everything leading up to the ending was so shallow and stupid that it definitely outweighs whatever significance it might have.
Damn typos by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 02:30:35 AM
Oh well. It's T3. Fuck you.
Tv show effect on planned movies. by snakecharmer	Jan 14th, 2008 03:13:27 AM
If this show fails will the movies get put on hold? Too me, Terminator is Cameron. I caught the first 5 minutes and I didn't like it. The shooting style of the show sucks balls. I make an attempt to watch the entire first episode but i'm not holding my breath for this thing.
Time Travel by HornOrSilk	Jan 14th, 2008 03:28:24 AM
You know, a show about time travel, and the effects of time travel on timelines could be cool. Where each episode there are "changes" in the people, places and personalities -- sometimes they are on the run, sometimes they are not, all because of what changed from episode to episode. A master plan of world domination is being played out and the terminators are trying to determine the best way - indeed, one episode would have Sarah without John, and the terminators would determine a world without John would be a world with them...
For a small hick town... by otm shank	Jan 14th, 2008 03:31:01 AM
they have one hell of a news team. The bad terminator had barely said "class dismissed" and it was already being brodcasted on the local news break!
Sort of liked it, but by zekmoe	Jan 14th, 2008 05:49:49 AM
there were way too many references and cutesie copys of the movies. "Come with me if you want to live' ? Puh-Lease. That's so Ah-Nold-80's. Still, for TV I thought it was great action and sci fi. It will probably get cancelled.
melting your brain by palewook	Jan 14th, 2008 05:56:04 AM
ok if the machines are stopped in the movies and never exist. how do they go back to 1963 and build a time machine? if they had built it before they were erased from the timeline, wouldn't have also erased what had been done in 1963 also? but if they used the time machine in 1999, after skynet had been lost in time. wouldn't the technology sitting in a bank vault been studied and researched by various agencies? Until.. they became their own grandfathers? (futurama 4tw)
LEST WE FORGET THE FIRST THREE EPISODES OF JERICHO by nrn	Jan 14th, 2008 06:30:03 AM
So The first three eps of Jericho are out. And you'd think Herc, who advertised the show to hell when it was being cancelled wold have at least mentioned something.. OH AND THE NEW SEASON ROCKS
LEST WE FORGET THE FIRST THREE EPISODES OF JERICHO by nrn	Jan 14th, 2008 06:30:33 AM
So The first three eps of Jericho are out. And you'd think Herc, who advertised the show to hell when it was being cancelled wold have at least mentioned something.. OH AND THE NEW SEASON ROCKS
Good so far by Dazzler69	Jan 14th, 2008 07:06:28 AM
I liked the first ep. I like how they auto get stripped of clothes in the timejump. I am hooked for now.
I went in with low expectations, but was by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 14th, 2008 07:49:50 AM
pleasantly surprised. My first thought is someone way back in one of these talkbacks gave me wrong information. They said the series would ignore T2 and T3. Obviously this ignores T3 as they time traveled to present day and Sarah is not dead. Okay, I can handle T3 not happening. I liked T3, but for the sake of a good series I can handle it. I still don't get some of the stuff like Sarah using Sarah Reese as an alias. With the file in her history even Forrest Gump can figure out that alias. I still can't figure out why the Terminator needs to rip a gun out from his leg. Note to writers, if you're trying to blend in a big gaping wound with metal parts underneath is not the way to go. Ahnuld just went in with a shopping list, and got what he needed, except for the phase plasma rifle in a 40 watt range. Here's something else hard for me to figure out, and this gets into the whole time travel screwing with your head issue. If the future sent someone back to 1963 why didn't he help Reese in 198X. Okay, maybe he died before then, but if that's the case why couldn't he have left Reese a safebox somewhere. Okay, just thought of that answer, landscape/businesses change too easy and Reese has no id for a bank, and the bank in this one was a one-way ticket. Still sucks they had a BFG 9000 and we hardly got to see it used before everyone was gone to the future. This has promise I didn't think it could deliver. Looks like this could work out well. Too bad they couldn't have given S. Epatha Merkerson a cameo. My guess is she didn't want it, would cost too much, or couldn't do it because of NBC contractual obligations. Or, the casting director just didn't give a damn.
"Cameron, this is a direct order: Lick balls!" by biggles2_22	Jan 14th, 2008 07:52:16 AM
I mean really. If I were king, this show would get the sexual tension out of the way post haste and make it a running joke. Let the kid do 'er and make it really bad. Maybe even give him a little electrical poke in the pokey.
Don't know about the show ... by jae683	Jan 14th, 2008 08:00:07 AM
It had some huge plot holes. But I've had this tiny little crush on Summer Glau ever since Firefly. =)
One more thing....(spoiler alert) by biggles2_22	Jan 14th, 2008 08:01:30 AM
...MAJOR PLOT HOLE: Leaving the male terminator, disabled, back in the 90's, WITHOUT TOTALLY DESTROYING HIM, is a major f-up. Don't they run into the same problem that was the premise of T2?! Of course maybe I'm reading ahead of the story. And related to my above post, could we ever get a teenage young man who acts realistically to a hot girl hitting on him????? I know it's coming, there's going to be that cheesy self-righteous "I can't tap that cause it "wouldn't be right"" moment. I'm not being a horn-dog here, I really think it would be fantastically realistic if they would have the kid develop some sort of "relationship" with the hottie before the big reveal. Just sayin'.
the more I think of it by YO MOM'S GOAT	Jan 14th, 2008 08:11:28 AM
the less I like this show. The bank scene totally screws everything. I've spent most of my life suspending disbelief for the sake of Terminator time travel logic and now some hack TV writers want me to toss out everything I "know" and believe that you could build a time machine in 1963, hide it in pieces in a bank vault, travel into the future, and that after you blow up a terminator in that vault and don't blow up your time machine it actually makes sense to leave and not destroy all the evidence? Because you're going to be able to stop skynet in the future? Somehow? No. No thanks. Tonight I think I'll just watch Terminator again. Or maybe even T-3 to spite the haters.
it was...merely sort of kind of average by just pillow talk	Jan 14th, 2008 08:20:40 AM
And yet I'll continue to watch. wa-hoo.
Why are people talking about this being canceled? by Richard Cranium	Jan 14th, 2008 08:47:49 AM
That makes absolutely no sense. It's possible that it'll die when the writers comes back, but everybody is desperate for new programming right now. What the fuck would they replace it with? Not to mention that there's nothing else new to watch, so the ratings will probably be halfway decent. 100% chance that all completed episodes get aired.
Why are people talking about this being canceled? by palewook	Jan 14th, 2008 08:50:51 AM
b/c its on fox. they kill most scifi/fantasy programming before it airs more than 4-6x.
Saw it... by radio1_mike	Jan 14th, 2008 08:58:26 AM
I liked T3 in its own right. But it certainly was not a worth sequel to T1, never mind T2. I liked the premiere of T:SCC. Lena Headley did a nice job as Sarah. I like Summer Glau. I am a little worried that the bad terminator was a little dumber than usual, though. But then, it's John destiny to win, so I think he does not win-- gets offed before he can command or whatever, it'd probably be due to dumb bad luck.
Censored TV nudity is all it takes you? by ulcer	Jan 14th, 2008 08:58:30 AM
Censored TV nudity is all it takes you to turn off your judgement, heh? "Pretty great"? Attacking all cricism of this as 'haters'? Are you guys so horny that you can't see this hour was basically an amateur Terminator fan film? Just read above the many non-sense from the classroom and bank scene and more. It's not about this not being canon, it's about this defying logic and being amateur writing. Ho look, a naked back! I guess you're too distracted again to think. Flame on, I don't know what you're defending and why.
The classroom scene was the best part by ZoeFan	Jan 14th, 2008 09:10:27 AM
Until that wretched "Class Dismissed" line that gave me douche chills. Other than that scene, this show is complete dreck. It contradicts T1 and T2 SO much.
More action than "Heroes" S2..... by Mr. Profit	Jan 14th, 2008 09:17:30 AM
There I fucking said it. I don't really like T:SCC, but that is mainly because T2 was such a big deal to me when I was growing up that it is hard to top. But at least this show had more action that the dreck that was Heroes Season 2. Sure this show may not last after the writers do return, but it's a good diversion for me until Lost returns. I don't even pay attention to the fact that Sarah and John blew up Cyberdine 2 years prior to when the show takes place, yet John has seemed to age about 7 years. But whatever. Fuck it. It beats watching Supernanny. And why are people still making a big fuss over TV nudity? You can see tits for free online or on HBO.
Just like T3, it wasn't perfect but I liked it by SpyGuy	Jan 14th, 2008 09:22:31 AM
Anyone who says TERMINATOR 3 outright sucks is obviously exaggerating. The movie was fine and had a solid ending, but just wasn't up to the level set by TERMINATOR 2. The same thing goes for THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES, which so far, is pretty damn entertaining even though it's not perfect. I mean, TSCC is a TV version of a film franchise, so you have to expect some drop-off in quality. Things move along a brisk pace, the guy playing John Connor isn't as annoying as Edward Furlong was, Summer Glau does a decent job as Hot Terminator Chick, and I think Lena will be good as Sarah once we get past the pilot and into the regular episodes. And yes, according to an interview in this month's STARLOG, TSCC picks up after TERMINATOR 2 and is ignoring TERMINATOR 3, so everyone who is pissy about T3 can relax already.
palewook by ironic_name	Jan 14th, 2008 09:24:02 AM
austin powers has the answer for your question.
T3: Nick Stahl as John Conner by kevinwillis.net	Jan 14th, 2008 09:25:40 AM
The television series already has T3 beat on that, alone. And the feminator was stoopid. It should have been another T-1000 type. Could have been female, yah, but T-1000 was almost unstoppable, unless you happened to have liquid nitrogen and a vat of molten iron handy. That being said: Gun in the thigh? Huh? Class dismissed: fine. Time machine and ion gun from 1963--stretched credulity, but cool enough that I'll let it slide. I always wondered why they didn't do more stuff like that. T3 could have taken place in 1963, with the Terminator after the teenage Sarah Connor pitting one Arnie against the other. I would have been cool with that. John Conner seems right, but the new Sarah Conner is the anti-Hamilton. Neither buff nor believably mental. I liked Lena Headley in 300, but here: meh. Summer Glau is a great terminator, but the weird acting doesn't make a lot of sense. Sounds to me like we're being set up for some sort of "John Conner's future rebel-mate had her brain downloaded into the brain of a Terminator" type of thing. Action was good, but am I the only one who felt that there were more commercials than show? It made the thing almost unwatchable. I think I would enjoy it more on DVD, without another ten minutes of commercials for every five minutes of show.
Lucy, You Got Some S'plaining to Do by kevinwillis.net	Jan 14th, 2008 09:28:54 AM
Also, why jump from 1999 to 2007? That puts them closer to doomsday and closer to the Terminators? Why not back in the 60s, so Sarah Conner could work, invest in AT&T and Apple and Microsoft and using her prosperity in the 90s for a leveraged buyout of Cyberdyne Systems and dump the Skynet program. Frankly, I think Sarah and John could do a lot more to fight for the future if they had more time, not less. And why hasn't John made a move on the Glauinator? "Do your boobs feel like metal?" What else has he got to do?
austin powers 2 by ironic_name	Jan 14th, 2008 09:29:40 AM
"Austin is told by Basil (York) not to worry about [time travel inconsistencies]. Then he looks right at us with a smile, and suggests we not worry about them, either."
Also, Linda Hamilton was Buff by kevinwillis.net	Jan 14th, 2008 09:31:24 AM
They shouldn't be showing Lena Headley in tank-tops until she's had some time to work out.
Arnold could have made "Class dismissed" work by DynamixRo	Jan 14th, 2008 09:32:39 AM
With his accent.
How Does the Stupid Terminator Find Them? by kevinwillis.net	Jan 14th, 2008 09:34:06 AM
At Miles Dyson's house--where his wife and kids still live, years after having it all shot to hell by machines from the future. Huh? Then at the bank? Personally, I think all the male Terminators should be Austrian body builders, but perhaps that's just me.
Classic Arnold Would Have Made by kevinwillis.net	Jan 14th, 2008 09:35:01 AM
The exact same movie a whole lot better. In every way. But, that's why this is a television series.
The "class dimsmissed" thing by I Dunno	Jan 14th, 2008 09:41:49 AM
Is exactly one of the menu items that the terminator would have had available as a responses to the situation, if any of you remember Terminator 1. Now if any of you have a script segment, whereby the terminator actually hears a real teacher say "class dismissed" so that we're spoon-fed the fact that he gained that phrase from experience. WITHOUT giving away the fact that he was a terminator then by all means share.
Stalkeye Has Seen The First Two Hours Of Fox’s TV TERMINATOR! by Stalkeye	Jan 14th, 2008 09:42:09 AM
Since August not that it's big news that the pilot was leaked awhile ago, but in spite of the predictable opening dream sequence the series may have some kind of potentual...on a Major cable network like HBO or Showtime. It seems that the Networks have ran out of ideas with the rehasing old franchises like Bionic Woman and now this shit. As for the actress that portrays Sarah, now that's a MILF not Linda Hamilton WTF did Cameron see in her to dump Gale (Ann Herd)?
The "Apalling" Extra from T3 by kevinwillis.net	Jan 14th, 2008 09:42:44 AM
That was stupid, but as good as anything in T3. I especially liked the part where the guy says "I don't know about that accent" and the other guy, with Arnie's voice, says: "We'll fix it." They were right to get rid of it, but it was pretty funny.
When the smoke clears by ArcadianDS	Jan 14th, 2008 09:43:32 AM
Herc and about 250 thousand other people will have seen the first two hours of this. The next hour will only be seen by 50 thousand, and the final two hours - well, I dont think anyone will ever get to see them.
Thought Last Night Was Excellent by BilboRing	Jan 14th, 2008 09:46:28 AM
I did not like the "Class DIsmissed" but the overall show was very clever and well acted and thought out. It negates T3 all together but who cares? T3 sucked anyway. Good show. Hope is keeps me interested.
Milwaulkee Sentinel Journal... by ArcadianDS	Jan 14th, 2008 09:47:34 AM
The reviewer hasn't ever seen the movies. Absorb that - this woman (Has to be, amirite??) wants us to take her opinion of this series seriously, and admits to having not seen the source material. Next issue, she's going to tell us all about flying the space shuttle.
Anyone else get turned on when John was naked w/ his mom and hot by boba_rob	Jan 14th, 2008 09:48:55 AM
Ok, maybe it was just me. But seriously, I thought the first episode was pretty good. A lot of action, and it seems to have remained true, so far, to the first two films and pay them the respect they diserve. The effects and stunts were very good, though I expect the action will subside some once the series gets going. Not liking the bad Terminator dude. He seems like a dumbass. That gun Sarah had kicked ass, as did the time machine scene. Oh, and the Terminator chick is awesome. Loved her in Serenity/Firefly, and shes great here. Very cute and can kick ass more gracefully than Seagal, Van Damme and Snipes ever could.
While I enjoy The Terminator franchise... by Wungolioth	Jan 14th, 2008 09:53:59 AM
...and sorta dug this show, it creates a bit of a fatal flaw in the whole storyline for me. So long as they just keep coming up with someone new to create Skynet, wouldn't it stand to reason that even if they killed John Connor, isn't it possible someone might just step up in his place? They want to make the creator interchangeable, it would make sense the hero is just as interchangeable.
Oh and Why not produce a Robocop VS Terminator series instead? by Stalkeye	Jan 14th, 2008 09:55:22 AM
I guess since the AVP sequel tanked hard,this suggesion is dead by default.I mean does anyone really care about the O'Conners being on the run while being pursued by Robots (not so much in disguise.) I'll give this series a year before it's CANcelled.
Kind of like the slow-witted stepchild of T1 and T2 by skimn	Jan 14th, 2008 09:57:48 AM
But for television in the midst of the invasion of reality 24/7, it was entertaining. I always hate when little things take you out of the show, like the photo of Dyson and his family...Hey isn't that Phil Morris? Jackie Chiles from Seinfeld?? And in the middle of the writers strike, I think Fox will air all the episodes it has in the can. They can rerun House for only so long.
I'd rather see the Snake Plissken Chronicles instead. by Stalkeye	Jan 14th, 2008 09:59:59 AM
That project was supposedly in the works over ten years ago, but since Escape from LA also tanked..well you can imagine the rest. But it's not too late, besides it would be better than some silly remake.Kurt has gotta eat dammit!
"Get the guns...I'll make pancakes." by rbatty024	Jan 14th, 2008 10:07:50 AM
Best line in the show. Overall pretty decent. There were some flaws, like the bad terminator being completely uninteresting and the awful dream sequence in the beginning. It showed some potential though. I'll be watching tonight at least. I mean, what else is on?
Summer by Refuge5	Jan 14th, 2008 10:14:59 AM
Wow she just get's hotter all the time... The show wasnt' bad, but it will have to be more than new city new terminator trying to kill john conner every week before I give it an hour every week... I liked T3 by the way... not the best but over all ok...
Journalist at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel... by Diagnostic	Jan 14th, 2008 10:23:29 AM
They live in a bubble and are isolated from the rest of the world. I am just surprised they did not relate how Masterpiece Theater is real entertainment." I prefer to call the paper the "Sentinel Journal." It really annoys them.
A few rough spots but not a bad show. by kabong	Jan 14th, 2008 10:32:35 AM
The time travel trope allows rebooting. I'm not keen on the TEEN angle, but at least this version of John Connor's destiny eliminates--it is to be hoped--Kate Brewster. Each time Skynet is defeated in the past, changes the future and the next past without changing the destiny of John Connor, which is to defeat Skynet. Worst shot: Cameron saying, Come with me if you want to live. Summer did not seem convincing. Why are terminators such good infiltrators until they reveal themselves as killing machines from the future and then start moving stiffly--like killing machines from the future? Something for Skynet to work on.
I don't think people give enough (any?) credit to ... by Shan	Jan 14th, 2008 10:52:41 AM
... the Terminator in Kyle Reese's flashback sequence who gets into a group of survivors in the first film and mows almost all of them down with a rotary action laser gun. Now that's great shooting by a Terminator as it appeared to have killed upwards of a dozen people or more in 30 seconds. Interestingly enough, the character was played by the best man at Arnold Schwarzenegger's wedding ...
Sorry kabong. by biggles2_22	Jan 14th, 2008 11:00:45 AM
Skynet is busy working on a realistic labia construction. That my friend is how they will enslave mankind!
If the robot looks like Summer Glau by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 11:12:07 AM
A rudimentary hole will suffice.
Saw it, thought it was okay by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 11:17:45 AM
Granted, I don't usually watch TV at all, so I have nothing contemporary to compare it to. I thought some of it was cheesy, and yeah I had difficulty at first getting past the fact that Leady is not Linda Hamilton. But christ, she and Summer are good looking, and that alone might keep me watching. I thought the plot of the pilot was basically a retread of T2. Two terminators, one good, one bad, a visit to Dyson's house and a decision to stop skynet, blah blah blah. But the bank vault was a nice twist. For those asking about the nakedness, we see (spoiler) the heros traveling from 1999 to 2007 in one of those time bubbles, and when they arrive, they're nekkid. Yeah, it would be weird being nekkid with your mom. Especially when she's hot like that. Personally, I was surprised John didn't spend more time checking Cameron out while she was noood. I suspect that they'll develop a romance between the two, since even in the pilot they've already hinted that Cameron "is different." She even eats a potato chip, which we've never seen a terminator do (eat). But Cameron does get pretty shot up just in the first episode. I can't see John having a relationship with a a hot robot chick whose boobs have been half blown-away. I hope they explain the fact that Cameron in in fact a 'hot' terminator. Like, in tonight's episode, have her explain that "You (John) sent me back because I'd have the best chance of getting close to you" (with him being a 15 year old boy and her being a hot chick of about the same age). I mean c'mon, if YOU lived in the future and could send a hot chick robot back in time to screw your teenage doppleganger, you'd do it, right?!
Wungolioth by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 11:29:12 AM
That's a very good point. Seems like between the movies and the show, the heroes keep "fixing" the present to stop Skynet from ever taking over--only to have a new Terminator come from the future and tell them 'oh, it doesn't matter, someone else will create skynet and start the chain of events in motion." So you're right. If THAT's the case, whether John Connor lives or dies shouldn't matter because anyone else could be the person to step up and lead the human resistance. But I think we geeks have realize that this series, like any sci-fi story involving time travel, already has a couple paradoxes, which we choose to overlook just for sake of enjoying the main story and action. Seems like the show is gonna involve the heroes "hiding in time" with new Terminators chasing them each week. And if that's the case, you begin to think, well maybe these terminators aren't so invulnerable after all. They're becoming more disposable, like the Aliens in the ALien movies. But what the hell. It's Terminator, it's produced by Mario Kassar, and it's got a couple hot chicks in it. I'll watch it on TiVo. And hope Leady and Summer have some lesbo action. Because you know, when you're on the run like sarah connor, you can get lonely without a man. You need closeness. Intimacy. Sometimes you need the physical love only another woman could appreciate...
Classroom scene by Automaton Overlord	Jan 14th, 2008 11:35:03 AM
Why didn't he just walk over strangle Connor? My thoughts are these; Connor was looking at him like "oh shit you're a robot". I assume the terminator was well aware of Connor's heart-rate, pupil dialation and all that stuff. With his cover blown, the terminator had to decide between a quick gun shot or a possible foot chase. Here's the deal. terminators weigh like seven hundred pounds or something, yet they have no more traction than a normal shoe provides. Granted, their extraordinary weight would add to the friction, but still. Terminators can run very fast in a staight line, but must logicaly be very poor at changeing directions rapidly. To chase a (presumably) athletic 16-year old around the slick floors of a high school would have been something the terminator would not want to have risked. He made the right choice. I do agree, he would have done better to have found out who the new kid was ahead of time, and walked in shooting, but it's sci-fi.
Obviously in the Terminator Universe, God hates us. by Shan	Jan 14th, 2008 11:42:41 AM
In Terminator 2, we find out that Skynet only comes into existence because of technology sent back from the future by itself in the first place. This is what wikipedia calls an ontological paradox as the information itself seems to have appeared out of nowhere, with no obvious start point. Conclusion - God, who is outside these loops obviously hates us and created Skynet (and the whole paradox) loop to kill most of us for fouling the environment or something like that. We could really throw the series into the surreal by having everyone meet God at the end who says, "Yes, I did it and what are you going to do about it?". For some reason, I envision a Neo meets the Architect at the end of Reloaded sort of set up. Yes, most people would hate it and it'd probably be terrible but - well it certainly wouldn't be expected, would it?
"SAVE SKYNET!" If they can... by Stark Industries	Jan 14th, 2008 11:53:36 AM
build 'Jailbait' Feminators... maybe we should think this 'destroy Skynet' thing a little more... :) I'm sure that we can comeup with something! - Stark
T:SCC was pretty good! by odysseus	Jan 14th, 2008 11:56:45 AM
The show has potential. If they lose the cornball dialogue and find a consistent behavior pattern for the terminators (from the bad guy to Cameron), it will greatly improve. The action could be tighter, too. But I like the cast (still not sure about Glau). I hope they can find a more interesting story line than hide/flee terminator, hide/flee terminator....
I thought it was pretty good for TV by Vern	Jan 14th, 2008 12:02:25 PM
Every time I criticize a big expensive summer movie that sucks (TRANSFORMERS, etc.) I get a thousand people telling me that I'm stupid to expect a great story, characters and thrilling action sequences when it's merely a summer popcorn blockbuster. This despite the existence of T2: JUDGMENT DAY, which I watched after TRANSFORMERS and found that sure enough it still exists and is every bit as great as I remembered it being. And yet here we are with another thousand people saying that I should expect the weekly TV spinoff to be as good as the movies. There better not be any overlap between the people making those two arguments. Anyway, nothing groundbreaking but it was fun to watch. Lena Headley (I think that's her name) was pretty good except for her accent in the last voiceover. My favorite scene was, of course, the one that Herc "despised," you know, the memorable scene. I thought the gun was in his thigh because he was going into the school. This was the year of Columbine. And the gimmick of him going down through roll call to know who to kill was classic (even if I figure he'd have face recognition). The "class dismissed" line that has created so much controversy was perfectly in character for a Terminator, who is not programmed for social skills and does not think he's being funny, he thinks he's making his exit less messy by using his pre-programmed teacher lines. Also the time leap at the end that I already knew was coming (shouldn't have read Hercules article, god damn it) was very smart so they don't have to do half-assed TV version of period detail or change the time period of the movies. It's gonna be awkward though if anybody starts talking to John about where they were when they first heard about 9–11. I think the one major continuity thing I care about is just the character. I don't really buy that the timid John Connor of this and part 3 are the same as that little motorbike riding wiseass from T2. I wish they would give him more of that personality, even if he is more mature now. Also, they should have some reference to him listening to Public Enemy. And Sarah could be a little tougher and crazier in keeping with T2. I don't think they toned it down a huge amount but I just want to see more of that because that's part of what makes her character so classic in T2. She's kind of scary.
It was surprisingly watchable... by Kid Z	Jan 14th, 2008 12:03:12 PM
...only thing that bugged me was Summer Glau still using that same dance-inspired fighting style she used in Firefly... get that gal a new fight trainer!
"I can't tonight, John... by biggles2_22	Jan 14th, 2008 12:03:51 PM
...I'm spotting oil."-Cameron
I agree with everything you said, Vern by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 12:14:59 PM
Either people expect this show to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, or they want it to fail so they can say "I told you so." Then they'll defend T3. I know you're not as hard on T3 as I am, Vern. But I can see where you're coming from. I can accept a person liking T3. Just like I can accept a person liking T:TSCC. And people are whining way too much about the science. "They couldn't build a time machine in 1963." Motherfucker, nobody could build a time machine. Not now, not ever. It's called science fiction.
Snake Plissken Chronicles by palewook	Jan 14th, 2008 12:15:05 PM
that could be pimp, unless it was made by the scifi channel. then skiffy would make snake 18 yrs old, living in his mom's basement, cast a bunch of teenagers in it, and base it in 2008.......
caruso_stalker217 by palewook	Jan 14th, 2008 12:17:25 PM
who was whinning, i did my futurama paradox post for shits & grins. someone would have to be dense to take that serious.
You can go forward by Autodidact	Jan 14th, 2008 12:20:52 PM
You can go forward or backward in time in the Terminator universe, as long as there is a time machine from your starting point. Kyle Reese said "nobody comes back" because he didn't have a time machine to use.
Problems with T3 by Reznik	Jan 14th, 2008 12:22:52 PM
Nick Stahl, Claire Daines, The lack of Sarah Connor, Recycled plot, remote controlled cars, Nick Stahl (i dont know what my problem is with that guy but i just cant stand him). As far as the whole time travel situation, When Skynet does send a Terminator back in time (keep in mind they have no contact with it) do they just stand around and wait? Machine 1:"terminator sent... does anything feel different?" Machine 2:"are the humans still alive?" I mean, is there some way of knowing if it was a successful mission? Like in Back to the Future when Marty McFly goes to the alternate 1985 and his family has money, he got the new truck... and he has no memory of a different childhood... It's really confusing shit. I figure the new series is okay as long as its considered a stand alone... and T3 is okay in the same light. For me though, nothing beats the feel and grit of the original Terminator movie.
"Here" - I[m sure someone else has said it already... by rock-me Amodeo	Jan 14th, 2008 12:31:10 PM
...but if I'm on the run, and no one is safe, then the first thing I'm thinking I would do is STOP ANSWERING TO THE NAME OF JOHN FRICKING CONNER! I would change my name to, uhn, Larry Conner...or something. Or Rip Torn, maybe.
Son behind mom nakedness... by turketron	Jan 14th, 2008 12:31:14 PM
I'm sure the actor playing John Connor didn't mind. poke I'll be watching again tonight... I mean seriously, what else is on tonight at 9pm?
Palewook by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 12:32:16 PM
I wasn't referring to your post. But I've seen other complain about building a time machine and that futuristic gat.
Public Enemy by Neo Zeed	Jan 14th, 2008 12:36:00 PM
I think if John Connor walks into a 2007 Best Buy, and picks up 2007 rap music..he'll be begging Summer Glau to send him back to days of Public Enemy, Rage Against the Machine, N.W.A., etc.. Oh and I thought the show was OK.. It has potential and David Nutter knows how to keep a pilot episode tight and to the point (kinda like what he did with the Supernatural pilot.) I'll watch part 2 tonight.
"Cameron". Nice nod to the King of the World. by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 12:37:01 PM
Wonder what he thought of it... IF he thought of it. Harry! Get on the horn with your pal there and ask him! (Personally, I thought it was pretty good and reasonably true to the source material. Seen a lot worse on TV lately, to be sure. And it's still better than The Phantom Menace, so what the hell.)
Show Premiered to a 11.1/16!!!! This show isn't going anywhere by chaseguy17	Jan 14th, 2008 12:37:49 PM
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratin gs/zap-ratings011308,0,287364. story?coll=zap-tv-ratings-head lines Prison break typically does a 4.5, and 24 gets the 6, 7's or 8's every once in a while. If this show can keep a decent share of its audience....it will stay. Pretty impressive debut
But how did the Terminator get past the high-school metal detect by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 12:38:33 PM
Riddle me THAT, Batman.
ors? by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 12:39:32 PM

I was just thinking of Vern when I wrote my comment above by ulcer	Jan 14th, 2008 12:43:19 PM
I had just read Vern's AvP-R review. The same thing is going on here: horrible writing. The show is just repeating lines, scene from T2 without really understanding how it fits together, why they were cool there. Like fan films do. I was glad to read Vern liked the underrated Blade TV series, now I'm confused.. ;) So what's the point of Summer Glau's character? Isn't this girl here only because of the Serenity scene? Why make a female terminator, apparently without weapons, ability to heal, but somehow programmed to act like a teen in school? Did she also psychically find the school and sit at the exact right desk? that's right.. everything in that school scene is done for us the viewer, not realism, story or character. It's all done to 'look cool'. Side note: Although I can't personally remember anything from T3 except that long car chase scene, James Cameron didn't think T3 sucked : http://tinyurl.com/386du7
Great WhiteNoise by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 12:48:40 PM
I was willing to assume that school faculty and staff didn't have to go through any metal detectors, or possibly even had their own entrance. But if that's the case, then there was no reason to conceal the piston within his thigh. Which for me raised another question. Was the gun there all along? I mean, did that terminator travel back in time WITH that gun? If so, why didn't they just do that in the films? Another thing--if "nothing dead" will go through, why doesn't skynet simply manufacture some type of organic skin-envelope material to keep weapons in for time travel? The terminators themselves are obviously metal and dead inside, yet they can pass through because they are "surrounded my living tissue." Okay--so why not just surround a plasma cannon with living tissue? Like, a skin bag or something that a terminator can simply tear open once he arrives at his destination?
I meant conceal the "pistol" by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 12:50:39 PM
pistol, piston, feh....
ulcer by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 12:50:56 PM
Cameron also ranks AVP over ALIEN 3. I don't know what that does for his credibility.
I think you all need to relax... just a little. by Nesstar	Jan 14th, 2008 12:58:29 PM
First off. here's the shocker It's not real. I know. But just try to handle that little nugget. Now, that being said. The whole theory is flawed. Because if John Connor exists in the same timeline as the machines in the future then they couldn't go back and kill him in the past, because he exists with them in the future. Just like Sara et. al. blowing up cyberdyne in the past won't prevent the machines from rising up in the future. If it'd have worked, Arny, the liquid metal guy, and John Connor would have disappeared on the spot. In fact the whole timeline Sarah was in would be rearranged and she'd go back to being some disco bunny like in the very beginning. She'd have never met Johnny's father because he would have never been sent back into the past. ...Now... THAT being said. Just take the show as exactly what it is. Fiction about robots from the future sent back to kill some kid in the past. The special effects were *AWESOME* for a weekly TV series. The acting was decent. Sarah Connor is a totally sexy bad ass mom. I didn't like how wimpy the kid came off to be but he wasn't horrible. The girl terminator was cute. As for the "Class Dismissed" line.... ...Come On!... How many cheesey lines is arnold guilty of in just about every movie he's ever made. Just deal with it. I hope the series lasts a good effing long time. I'm going to watch every one and record them on my Tivo.
What I don't understand... by herr_howard	Jan 14th, 2008 12:59:45 PM
...is when the SWAT teams arrived at the bank during what appears to be a robbery/hostage situation, they allow some big, semi-metallic, scarred-up looking guy to walk past, crash through the windows (like, was the door locked?) and start ripping the crap out of the bank vault...but they neglect to go in and investigate themselves. HUH? Too many plot holes in this one to let it continue much longer. In my humble opinion, T3 should have started right at the end of T2, with another Terminator activating, only this Terminator's job isn't to destroy John Conner, it's to make sure SkyNet is activated. Trust me, I have it all worked out. Would have been the best Terminator film ever :)
I must concur with Abominable Snowcone by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 01:03:26 PM
Doesn't really make sense, does it? Of course, if you wanna get REALLY macabre, don't grow "skin bags" at all. Capture members of the human resistance, open them up under sedation, pack their body cavities with advanced weapons and use them as "weapons mules" to transport them back. Then, er, discard them upon retreiving the weapons at the other end. Eeeewww. Not gonna sell well on FOX, though. (But that raises another question: how in the hell did they get that weaponry, and the time-travel device, back to that bank vault in 1963? Maybe they did some grievous thing like we're talking about.)
and another thing... by Nesstar	Jan 14th, 2008 01:04:06 PM
Since they seem to have methods for traveling through time within our time frame. Then Sarah Connor can still die from cancer in 1997...
And I did like "Come with me if you want to live" by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 01:11:30 PM
It's like John Connor's Terminator safeword now. God help him if Skynet ever figures that one out... make a Terminator that looks like Kyle Reese, get him in the truck, done deal.
It was a decent premiere by Rickey Henderson	Jan 14th, 2008 01:16:13 PM
Nothing groundbreaking. Problem is, they lack a true hero. The female terminator is pretty bland and uninteresting. Sarah Conner isn't crazy enough. And John Connor is scared shitless. So who's the action hero in this tv show? I'm not asking for Arnie, but you need someone who is at least SOMEWHAT compelling to watch. Otherwise, this is just a B.S. family drama with angry robots from the future.
Great WhiteNoise by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 01:17:38 PM
In the bank vault, Cameron explained some shit about when the bank was built, someone from the resistance came back in time and got a job with the vault engineer. This allowed him to make the time travel components using parts that existed in 1963. Same for the isotope canon, apparently. I guess the idea is, so long as you have the knowledge of HOW to build this stuff, the materials aren't an issue, because nothing exists now that didn't exist in 1963. The periodic table of elements is the same (as long as nothing new is discovered between now and the future). Nesstar. Right you are! That's what I was saying about how we gotta kinda suspend disbelief because we geeks KNOW that time travel plots create paradoxes. Oh, and BTW it IS real--it's all a TRUE story :) I must go on record as saying that as hot as Leady is, I would sooner give the bone to a 1984 Linda Hamilton. Or even 1992 Linda. Plus, I love her hair and eye color. Just personal taste, I guess. Leady is a bit of a skinny minnie. But yeah, I'd 'terminate' her with my plasma canon just the same.
Camron is a... by radjac33	Jan 14th, 2008 01:20:07 PM
TX prototype. No real proof, but her eyes were blue and not red. She did seem more able to "fit in" than the 800 models.
Next person who spells Connor with an E by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 14th, 2008 01:22:48 PM
is banished for 30 days.
Rickey by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 01:23:34 PM
I suspect that the story will eventually incorporate Sarah's old fiancee from 1999, who saw her on TV at the end (in 2007). Based on how deep his relationship with Sarah was, he might just buy the whole robot-from-the-future story and become the surrogate father John and Cameron need. I think the FBI guy will come into play more as well, although probably more along the lines of the police in "Fugitive" who are always just one step behind their quarry. But when Mr. Fiancee Guy told the FBI guy he'd only known Sarah for six months, I was thrown a bit, because frankly it would take me (and did take me) longer than that to get to know my now-wife, and start telling her you love her, and proposing. Six months from meeting to proposing? That's not very long to me. I also suspect that the plot will eventually involve Cameron's coochie, and does she menstruate, and does it taste like strawberries and cream?
Was this actually a sitcom... by poeticwarriorII	Jan 14th, 2008 01:23:58 PM
or are the writers striking because they want more money for producing shit dipped in pig vomit for TV? This show is awful and I can't imagine the IQ that could find this entertaining in any manner whatsoever.
Radjac33 by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 01:27:04 PM
I agree. I assumed the same thing when she said "I'm different" to John, and flashed her blue eyes to Mrs. Dyson. If that's so, I wonder how much TX technology she has built inside her. Is she part liquid metal? Does she have a plasma canon or flamethrower in her arm? Is her ass from heaven?
Valid questions Abominable by Rickey Henderson	Jan 14th, 2008 01:33:20 PM
(especially the last ones). I'm guessing that the fiancee Sarah ditches turns out to be a bad guy (but not a robot). My biggest gripe with the show is John Connor. The scared little kid who needs to get protected by his mom shtick is going to get old real damned quick. Shouldn't this kid be just a little tougher? The kid has seen all kind of crazy robot on robot action from T2... where's the balls on him? Also, I'm really wary of seeing plot twists consisting of characters suddenly turn out to be robots. They've done that shit to death on BSG and it would make no sense to do in this show.
Then again... by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 01:34:45 PM
This series ignores the events of T3, so if Cameron is a TX prototype, I guess we're supposed to pretend she's the prototype of something we've NEVER really seen before. You know, if Cam cannot get pregnant or spread VD, I see no reason why John cannot start having intercourse with her immediately. Unless of course conjugation with her would result in her pelvic servos shearing off one's penis.
"Class Dismissed" Is Indefensible by Stop Apologizing For Garbage	Jan 14th, 2008 01:35:50 PM
I keep reading this crap about Class Dismissed wasn't that bad. It was putrid. It rapes childhoods. The Terminator STOPS. He STOPS to make that quip. He's chasing the person he's programmed to terminate, and STOPS. To make a crack. You people that try to defend this crap make me ill. Just STFU.
Herc described the FBI guys as a Javert-type by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 14th, 2008 01:37:03 PM
Do any of the geeks out there have enough culture to know what that mean? I hope so.
Les Mis = Cultured? by Stop Apologizing For Garbage	Jan 14th, 2008 01:44:07 PM
Wow. Who hasn't seen Les Mis? If you think seeing that means you're cultured, this just in; you're not.
Rickey is very goddamned happy, Xiphos by Rickey Henderson	Jan 14th, 2008 01:53:41 PM
How the hell is Fredo the Manning that is in the playoffs? How in fuck does something like that happen? Look, Eli had two solid drives, but the real stars of yesterday's game was the Big Blue's defense. Next week: (*in NFL announcer's voice) PACKERS! GIANTS! ON THE FROZEN TUNDRA OF LAMBEAU FIELD!
1997 Linda Hamilton by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 02:14:09 PM
Followed up T:TSCC last night with "Dante's Peak" on AMC. Hmm. Dunno, Snowcone. Unfair comparison, perhaps, but gonna have to go with Lena Headey on this one.
Terminators should be next year's 24 threat... by turketron	Jan 14th, 2008 02:14:14 PM
Tony Almeida is really a terminator. So say we all.
Snowcone by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 02:16:25 PM
Good points, all. Makes you wonder how pervasive the machines have been in the past. For example, did they go back and whack Miles Dyson's Ph.D. professor, replace him with a machine and make sure Dyson understood how to create the new AI processors, etc.? I could go on all week.
And TO's not crying anymore, BTW... by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 02:17:58 PM
Nicolette Sheridan gave him her towel to wipe those tears. He's much cheerier now.
TO standing up for Romo was such B.S. by Rickey Henderson	Jan 14th, 2008 02:25:43 PM
What? A little crying and I'm suddenly supposed to believe that he's an ok guy now? This is the same asshole wide receiver who completely badmouthed his previous two quarterbacks after the Eagles and 49ers fell apart... right? And just to clarify and so we're all on the same page, I hate, hate, hate the fucking cowboys. (or anything else that comes from that shity state of Texas). Nothing good ever comes from Texas.
Also, did you know... by Rickey Henderson	Jan 14th, 2008 02:28:40 PM
...that before the game, Jerry Jones put tickets to the superbowl in each of the Cowboys' locker? That's so freaking wonderful. What a worthless shitty Texan.
GreatWhiteNoise by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 14th, 2008 02:31:32 PM
Oops, did I say 1997 Linda Hamilton? Thought I said 1984 and 1992 (T2 Linda). I saw Dante's Peak also, but I can't recall how she looked in it. Lena Heady, THAT's her name--I think I've been calling her "Leady" all day. Duh on me. Hey Stop Apologizing--who are you? I sense you are someone familiar to us, but writing under the new moniker. In other news, I saw "No Country for Old Men" this weekend. Loved it. Even though there were no lesbian karate fights or exploding dinosaurs.
T2 was like the hand of God touching my childhood by Pipple	Jan 14th, 2008 02:36:06 PM
It's one of those movies you'll remember to the grave bitches. I remember it so clearly. It was one summer long ago, and I was bored shitless, then I went to the local video store I frequented back then. This was the days of gameboy pocket, folks. I remember salivating at the display for one of those pieces of shit. God I was dumb fuck, But anyway I rented T2 and oh goddamn it was heaven on VHS tapes none of you kids use today. I watched it twice that day, no instant replay, had to rewind the tape lol, and couldn't believe how damn beautiful and epic it was. So I hold anything that wants to stand beside it to a very high standard and can't compare it to transformers which I don't give a free pass because it was based on a toon. It should have been better but for now it's ok, the sequel should focus on the robots and cut out the unnecessary comedy and it'll be all good. Anyway back to terminator. I'm not sure whether to give it a view because t2 is it, man. Where else is there to go??? the movie is it... not even t3 could do much more than copy it and I'm pretty sure this show does the same... snore.
Rickey's Cleats Need Cleaning by Aquatarkusman	Jan 14th, 2008 02:36:28 PM
Rickey: I fucking hate the Cowboys and Jerry Jones, and would respectfully point out that he is a born California who spent his formative years in Arkansas and whose money-making business was primarily located in Oklahoma.
True, Romo fucked up at the end by Rickey Henderson	Jan 14th, 2008 02:38:35 PM
But he had some terrific drives in that game. One of em was a 20 play 10 minute drive or something ridiculous like that. I was terrified it would destroy the Giants defense. Romo only really fell apart at the end of the game. And as far as fuck ups go, it still wasn't as bad as last year's field goal screw up.
John Connor starts a boy band. by jah_kingdom	Jan 14th, 2008 02:47:34 PM
T3 is more watchable than T2 which is dated and kinda boring.
I'm somewhat new Abominable by Stop Apologizing For Garbage	Jan 14th, 2008 02:53:03 PM
I had an old moniker, UdadILearnedItFromU! But I forgot how I spelled it, so I couldn't retrieve the password. Made this one real quick just to post in this thread. I've probably made a total of 5 posts ever on both. I don't post much. Forgiving "Class Dismissed" was so outrageous, I made this name to post. I've been coming here for years for news though. I just rarely post. But, this crap forced my hand. HAHA.
Bear McCreary does it again by DeCypher44	Jan 14th, 2008 02:55:04 PM
Had a date with the wife last night so I missed. it. Just caught it on fox.com. Very good show. As I was watching it, I was listening to the score. I said to myself, "That's got to be Bear McCreary". Sure enough! That guy is brilliant. And it just made me more pumpded for the next and final season of BSG!!!
No no, Snowcone, you did say '84 & '92... by GreatWhiteNoise	Jan 14th, 2008 02:55:07 PM
...was more of a benefit-of-hindsight argument, or maybe just an unfair tainting by age of the ready comparison in my head. (I also neglected to mention Lena's fine work in 300, which would have tipped it for me anyway.)
Yeah, it was that last quarter where he fell apart by Rickey Henderson	Jan 14th, 2008 02:58:54 PM
Umenyiora and Strahan were the freaking balls yesterday. Those blitzes on Romo were a joy to watch. Honestly, everyone's calling for the Packers to beat the Giants this sunday. Don't be so sure about that. Sure, they're essentially Jesus of Nazareth's team, but the G-Men's defensive line should be able to put some pressure on Farve. Much more than the Seahawks did anyway. Aquatarkusman, thanks for the clarification. No matter what his geographic pedigree, Jones will always be a grade-A jackass.
And my typing by DeCypher44	Jan 14th, 2008 03:03:31 PM
sucks.
Just thought of something... by radjac33	Jan 14th, 2008 03:06:14 PM
When John and Cameron were talking in the hallway she says her father sells tractors, could her "father" be a Cyberdyne CEO? Tractors = HKs. I could be reaching on this but somebody posted that Cameron might flip sides by seasons end. Just wondering
18.3 million viewers bitches!!! by jojo-pimp	Jan 14th, 2008 03:12:40 PM
"Warner Bros. TV-produced “Terminator” notched an eye-popping 7.6 rating/18 share among adults 18-49 and delivered around 18.3 million viewers" Check out Variety's website for the full article!
Vern, in regards to the "Class dismissed" scene… by The Heathen	Jan 14th, 2008 03:18:36 PM
I think the problem wasn't necessarily that he said it, but the guy who is playing the terminator said it with a grin and might as well have winked at the camera. Also, even though he's playing a machine, he's in no way fun to watch like Arnold or Robert Patrick were. The evil terminators have got to convey and exude "bad ass" and the two that were on the show didn't at all.
Really? by Racer Z	Jan 14th, 2008 03:20:19 PM
Some of you really think that this series doesn't stand a chance? C'mon, amidst the writer's strike when nothing new is on? I think this show picked a brilliant time to premiere. And I must say I was impressed. Now I was prepared to hate the idea of this series, but it actually surprised me and made me nearly forget there was a T3. Not bad for a franchise that, by all rights, should have ended with the second film. I'm looking forward to more!
Tony Romo's.... by Aquatarkusman	Jan 14th, 2008 03:37:37 PM
... a great place for ribs being broken!
Dark Angel by Shan	Jan 14th, 2008 03:41:13 PM
Don't want to rain on anyone's parade but it premiered with a massive rating and was gone two years later. I hope that's not the case here but it is important for the makers to remain vigilant about maintain an acceptable level of quality for the show.
This will be the Heroes of this season by Karuma	Jan 14th, 2008 03:54:50 PM
...and with only 9 episodes, up against reruns on CBS, Deal or No Deal on NBC, and Dance War on ABC, it will get giant numbers. It doesn't hurt that Prison Break is the lead in either.
Somewhat disappointing by HarrysNemesis	Jan 14th, 2008 03:58:43 PM
OK, it was disappointing but realistically, very few TV pilots are great 'out of the box.' Most take a little time to get in their groove -- I'll give it a chance and I'm sure most will since there's not much else on to watch. That being said, here's what I didn't like. 1. Acting - mediocre at best. Maybe it's just because of linda hamilton, but I don't buy the chick playing sarah. I buy the other characters, but their acting needs a lot of improvement -- it's very forced. I really don't care for the guy who played the terminator... I hope they send a new one when they catch up to them :) 2. More annoying to me about the school shootout scene than what happened in the classrom is that the terminator can't shoot a kid running at the same speed in a straight line given a half a dozen shots. One miss, maybe -- but did they not program targetting? That terminator can't hit the f'ing side of a BARN!!! 3. Other minor unrealistic bits, like when the terminator is shooting at sarah and she's hiding behind an old cloth back chair and somehow that chair was supposed to shield her from half a dozen bullets.... really, the bullets can't penetrate a chair cushion??? Really?? I know there's a certain leap of faith in a series like this, but you can't just blow off every bit of realism because it's sci fi. 4. Other than the action scenes, the pace was just slow... I disagree with the reviews that there was no plot or story... it just wasn't very interesting for the most part unless it was an action sequence. The action sequences IMO were the only thing that was well done and make the series worth watching over any other tv show. It is nice to see some summar-movie hollywood style special effects and high paced action sequences. If the show improves over the next several episodes it should make it... if not, it won't.
Wait here...I'll be back by The Bandit	Jan 14th, 2008 04:03:30 PM
If the powers that be are smart, this shit wont be back. As many have said already, if T2 is the jumping off point than NONE of this makes any fucking sense. It all flys in the face of the established Terminator universe and just plain common sense for that matter. Lena as Sarah? Great. Other than that, this is trash. And the Teenie-nator? Give us a fucking break. Also how many times can a killer robot come back? It gets old, and less cool, interesting, and we care less. Oh look ANOTHER robot came back from the future. Its just a stupid idea which we all clearly saw last night.
kinda lame by Scorpio1031	Jan 14th, 2008 04:14:47 PM
Some elements of the pilot were ok, but come a little girl terminator. And whats with all the robot gear noises. Maybe if it shot better than standard television. At least make it look like a Terminator movie. New Director and new D.P.
kinda lame by Scorpio1031	Jan 14th, 2008 04:14:52 PM
Some elements of the pilot were ok, but come a little girl terminator. And whats with all the robot gear noises. Maybe if it shot better than standard television. At least make it look like a Terminator movie. New Director and new D.P.
kinda lame by Scorpio1031	Jan 14th, 2008 04:14:56 PM
Some elements of the pilot were ok, but come a little girl terminator. And whats with all the robot gear noises. Maybe if it shot better than standard television. At least make it look like a Terminator movie. New Director and new D.P.
"That's my quarterback... That's my teammate" by JimCurry	Jan 14th, 2008 04:19:16 PM
Boo hoo!!!!!
Heathen by Nesstar	Jan 14th, 2008 04:29:51 PM
I think the way the evil terminator was demolishing that bank vault door was pretty bad ass. But I do agree that this guy was really just a cheap k-mart copy of Arnold. I do hope the series pans out though. It definitely has potential.
OK so far by Banditmania	Jan 14th, 2008 04:40:56 PM

wow by slkboxrman	Jan 14th, 2008 04:51:06 PM
over at comingsoon.net they say that terminator had the highest ratings for a scripted show in 8yrs on fox, and the biggest opening of any show in 3 yrs.... excellent !, i hoped it would do well and it did....cant wait for tonights new episode..
this show is just awful by mfcorleone	Jan 14th, 2008 05:17:01 PM
i mean come on people. saying this is better than T3? Summer Glau? She doesn't look nearly as intense as loken in T3. She actually looks kind of retarted. In a female terminator showdown, loken would skullfuck glau and then turn her into a toaster.
"Class dismissed" line could have been worse by kabong	Jan 14th, 2008 05:23:01 PM
if Terminator also said, "And don't forget to do your homework." Har de har har. Arnold's funny (or bad) lines, such as "I'll be back" fit the situation in which the character utters them. For your homework: diegesis.
How Long? by Oldnewbie	Jan 14th, 2008 05:57:54 PM
Before Fox pulls the plug? This show, like so many over the years, has the potential to grow and be quite the memorable show. Fox however will not allow ths. Why any producer of scifi would wantg Fox as a home for their show is beyond me. I am convinced Foz used it's TV production as primarily tax write-offs for the rest of their empire. Aside from "X-Files" and "24", they've cut short, short changed, screwed up, and just generally fucked up anything else that they have aired. I give this show 4 maybe 6 episodes broadcast, with the rest being hosted on Fox on Demand.
Sorry for the bad spelling... by Oldnewbie	Jan 14th, 2008 05:59:01 PM
I should have proofed before posting...
Sorry for the bad spelling... by Oldnewbie	Jan 14th, 2008 05:59:21 PM
I should have proofed before posting...
Sorry for the bad spelling... by Oldnewbie	Jan 14th, 2008 05:59:22 PM
I should have proofed before posting...
Poor Tony Romo by br1947	Jan 14th, 2008 06:15:41 PM
Now instead of going to the Superbowl, just gets to go home and bang the hell out of Jessica Simpson. Poor Tony Romo :-)
Superbowl would be better. by otm shank	Jan 14th, 2008 06:48:30 PM
You know what the hardest part of getting into Jessica's pants is? Trying to get her father to leave the room.
We would have accepted "Class dismissed" by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 14th, 2008 07:18:08 PM
from Ahnuld. He's had some great bad lines. We just didn't want it from a non-Arnold toaster. 45 minutes to get some more answers hopefully. Cheesiest Arnold line "Stick around" after he impales some guy to a post by throwing his machete or some big-ass knife in Predator.
YOKO ROMO.... by Pennsy	Jan 14th, 2008 07:29:02 PM
That's what J-Simps has been called in Dallas.
Kristen Bell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jessic a Simpson. by Pennsy	Jan 14th, 2008 07:30:15 PM
Man law, this. Good call.
Full of Headey goodness by lukester	Jan 14th, 2008 07:31:39 PM
Was T2 supposed to be set in 97 or am I missing something?
I like Footballplayers...for their MANTITS! by travis-dane	Jan 14th, 2008 07:34:12 PM
thats so masculine!and some nice hard nipples.Is this the "gay men on footballplayers TB"?I hope so!
Agreed Pennsy! Man law! by br1947	Jan 14th, 2008 07:45:00 PM
Man Law also states Simpson is an acceptable consolation prize. Now for the true question, Kristen Bell or the Superbowl? Because you never know when you'll be posed with this question...
Wasn't T2 set in '94? by caruso_stalker217	Jan 14th, 2008 08:32:53 PM
Since John Connor was apparently born in '84 and he is ten years old in the sequel.
9-11 by erichaislar	Jan 14th, 2008 09:09:40 PM
You have to reference it. They missed the biggest thing to happen in the last 25 years, Plus it changed how the world works.It would be silly for them not to at least say something about it.
Lol at the American slam by skywalkerfamily	Jan 14th, 2008 09:10:03 PM
When muslims flew into our buildings.
911 by Alientoast	Jan 14th, 2008 09:18:23 PM
Well, honestly Sarah Conner's first reaction to planes crashing into shit would have been "HOLY CRAP! SKYNET HAS TAKEN OVER AMERICAN AIRLINES!!". 2nd episode was decent. That dude from Dexter seems to die in every TV show he's on. The endoskeleton with the decapitated junk yard dude's head as a "disguise" was pretty creative. I also liked how this episode hints that Cameron isn't beyond killing some innocents to protect the mission, like that nosy cop before Sarah Conner stepped in.
The 9/11 reference by Robstar	Jan 14th, 2008 09:18:58 PM
made me switch the channell. "I can imagine planes hitting buildings, and if i could have seen it, i'd have said....we lost".........WHAAAAATTT?!! im sorry, was that a little bit of Fox propaganda sprinkled over my terminator? BULLSHIT, FOX!!!!!!!! Way to take a show about time traveling cyborgs and then throw in a lil' topical jab at terrorism. I dont post much here, but i was pissed at that and had to say something.
You were pissed they took a jab at terrorisim? by skywalkerfamily	Jan 14th, 2008 09:23:38 PM
I find that a little odd.
Yes by Robstar	Jan 14th, 2008 09:44:44 PM
pissed that in the middle of episode 2 of Terminator: the tv show, instead of doing anything plot related,(that is, whatever plot can come from something like this) They show a slow motion reaction shot of someone learning that for the first time, as they show two guys embelishing it as they act it out in the background. Granted, it was a short scene, but it was still 45 seconds that included a soundbyte that sounded like a line from a campaign commercial for John McCain. And the fact that its on fox dosent help either. ...I may be really off base, but I think that something as fun as the terminator franchise shouldn't even touch real-life events.
The Terminator franchise is fun? by skywalkerfamily	Jan 14th, 2008 09:46:27 PM
When every other sentence is about the end of the world? Uh yeah, that's real fun.
by Robstar	Jan 14th, 2008 09:56:07 PM
its not not fun.
Second hour was good by ulcer	Jan 14th, 2008 10:03:42 PM
This is probably why they wanted to show critics both hours. First hour == cheese.
TERMINATOR: TSCC by wackybantha	Jan 14th, 2008 10:06:03 PM
This may get boring real fast especially since it's a prequel with not much new stuff to share. At least not of anything interesting anyway. I know many have already said it but this series does seem like a really long bad version of T2. The only thing that may help sustain my interest down the line is if they have one main bad terminator played by Robert Patrick. At the very least have one T-1000 on the damn show!!! Sheesh!!!
Fembot Glau is going to use her robo-vagina... by Pixelsmack	Jan 14th, 2008 10:35:40 PM
...and stuff John inside it. Then take him to the future so he can fill other slippery metal twat bots with creamy human Connor pudding. This showing them what being truly human is and ending the war. By the way I loved the pilot!
Enrique is a bad guy now!? by Stop Apologizing For Garbage	Jan 14th, 2008 10:52:48 PM
Childhood raped more with every episode. And the introduction of zombie, Iron Giant reconstituting, Headless Horsemen terminators is just too much. You people will watch anything. This is pure garbage. Imagine if Star Wars was made into a TV re-imagining, and Darth Vader really did accept Captain Needah's apology, and sent him on his merry way. Everyone would flip out. But Class Dismissed, Zombie headed terminators get a pass. You people are the reason this garbage keeps getting made. So forgiving. PS: Patriotism bad, terrorists good? WTF? No wonder I don't read talkbacks so much. Is everyone from California?
Penny Windmore is in everything these days... by jimbojones123	Jan 14th, 2008 11:01:26 PM
I wonder if she "really" does it with the not-quite-step-dad?
New Terminators don't run anywhere near as fast by jimbojones123	Jan 14th, 2008 11:02:37 PM
as Robert Patrick.
Again, when did Serentiy chick get hot? by jimbojones123	Jan 14th, 2008 11:04:30 PM
Yikes... She was totally making John's pants go wild with the flirty touch too. Guess we'll keep waiting to find out "her" story.
Me thinks J-C (yeah, the Jesus stuff is becoming a bit much) by jimbojones123	Jan 14th, 2008 11:05:58 PM
and the Fem-bot had a "thing" in the past. Or Future -- or whatever.. time travel pisses me off.
Overheard Inside Skynet Of The Future... by Cheif Brody	Jan 14th, 2008 11:32:30 PM
Machine 1: Hey...whatcha workin on? Machine 2: Oh a new T-800 series. Gonna send him back to kill John Connor...again. Machine 1: Cool...cool. Austrian accent? Machine 2: You got it. Machine 1: Hey...I got a weird idea last night. Machine 2: Go on... Machine 1: You know how we keep fuckin it up...you know...trying to kill the teen age John Connor? Machine 2: Yeah... Machine 1: Why not send this one back to kill Sarah Connor? Machine 2: We tried that already, dumb ass! Machine 1: I know...but this time...send him back to where she's a six year old girl, like, at recess in school...just put a bullet in her head on the swing set or something? Machine 2: Hey...you may be onto something there... Machine 1: And...like...have him whack her mom...and her grandma while we're at it...you know...just to be safe. Machine 2: Done and done. Wanna go get a beer? Show over.
Speaking of Time by TinkerTIW	Jan 14th, 2008 11:33:43 PM
This is a complete waste of it! Absolutely nothing is happening in terms of advancing the Terminator story. Lots of gunfire, running around, crashes and ...what does it all mean? At least the end of Terminator 3 had that cool fade-out... where's this heading? If I'm going to spend an hour with time travelers on Monday night I much rather it be with Journeyman.
Good enough to keep watching by mrdinky	Jan 14th, 2008 11:38:26 PM
it's not great or even very good. it does have potential. I despise all of the movie tie-ins and bringing back certain characters from T2. and the voice over philosophy. GAWD. make it stop. that's the bad. the good is there are some strong actors who can carry scenes in this. I'm speaking of headey, decker, the EMT boyfriend, and the FBI agent. summer glau is terribly inconsistent. and I know there's a built-in "she's a new model" excuse for that. but fuck that. way too inconsistent. the good is the throwing away of T3, the invention of some drama and battles centered around A) the EMT & FBI agent, and B) the freedom fighters and the terminators sent to kill them. They have created a frame here for a good sci-fi series. The fx and action are superior by network television standards. the writing is average, and average is not going to cut it, but it has potential. unfortunately, they already have 9 eps in the can, and writers are already on strike, so I don't expect any sicnificant tweaks. I guess that's good insofar as we won't get something butchered by producer/network edits, but if it's feces, it's going to remain so. could go either way right now. on another note, what's with the BIONIC WOMAN bashing by the media critics? they can't seriously be saying there's more in the first two eps of this than in BIONIC WOMAN. there's better action. the story? no. although neither is worth talking about. Although one idiot managed to completely ignore the existence of BSG when he (moronically) stated something about a lack of modern sci-fi.
Was that the same actor in the step dad's house scene??? by CaptainGilgore	Jan 14th, 2008 11:39:47 PM
Is it just me or did they use another actor in the scene where John Conner goes back into the house of his mom's old boyfriend? It looked and sounded like John Connor was being played by another actor. Sooooo weird!!!
Nude&Aroused...POINT... by Cheif Brody	Jan 14th, 2008 11:45:52 PM
Wait...we KNOW the ending of LOST? Please, oh wise one...please tell me how LOST ends. Save me the next 3 years of waiting for the conclusion! I'm waiting...
9/11 reference was chilling by MattmanReturns	Jan 15th, 2008 12:10:17 AM
The world has changed a lot since T2. Something horrible DID happen, and to have Sarah Connor acknowledge that horror through fresh eyes was very appropriate. And Jett, I'm not a very patriotic person, I think 9/11 was used as an excuse to start a war with the wrong country, but that doesn't change the fact that you're an asshole. 9/11 was one of the most disturbing events in the history of this country, whether you're patriotic or not. Jesus, what a prick.
THE BIGGEST MISTAKE by arrangedletters	Jan 15th, 2008 12:26:48 AM
I actually enjoyed the show. As far as paradox and whatnot you really can't cover all the bases and still tell a great story. Hell the whole premise of Terminator doesn't work. My one big giant glaring problem was that the Terminator head shouldn't have been able to go back in time as it wasn't wrapped in skin!
Node32774 by darthbinks1220	Jan 15th, 2008 12:36:33 AM
Thank you for rebuffing that cretin Jett. More lives were lost on September 11, 2001 than in Pearl Harbor. We will never forget December 11th 1941, and we SURE AS HELL won't forget 9/11.......ever!
Tonight's episode was better by Han Cholo	Jan 15th, 2008 12:43:13 AM
But yeah I thought nothing dead goes through the time machine. The endoskeleton "surviving" untouched was terribly inconsistent but I'm going to keep watching. Lena Headey is hot in a MILFy kind of way. Summer Glau looks good too.
Another Missed One-LIner by Aquatarkusman	Jan 15th, 2008 12:49:35 AM
Kids start running out of the classroom, and he says "DO YOU HAVE A HALL PASS?" and pronounce "have" as "haf," Arnie-style.
Class dismissed said by Ahnuld by messi	Jan 15th, 2008 01:15:23 AM
would be amazing.
"Talk to the hehnd." by caruso_stalker217	Jan 15th, 2008 01:30:59 AM
And people complain about "Class dismissed."
After watching tonight's episode...this show has the chance to " by Space Disc Jockey	Jan 15th, 2008 01:31:06 AM
I think I was too harsh on the pilot yesterday, partly, because of how the recent NFL playoff games went and the fact that most of the Golden Globe winners were disappointing (except, for Javier's win). Yes, the pilot did have plot holes and some cheesy writing, but as I was watching tonight's episode, I finally accepted that this series is just a new seed and not a branch. I don't view it as a continuation of the main film time-line, but just a spin-off of the ideas. Again, canon. "Chronicles" is a separate entity/franchise of the Terminator films. We shouldn't take it too seriously and keep thinking of continuity. The pilot/series has already fucked around of what was established in Terminator and Terminator 2(and Terminator 3 did the same thing)... So, unfortunately, whatever James Cameron started, REALLY did end with Terminator 2. That was the end of his involvement and his Terminator franchise. Now, the franchise and its future is in the hands of others to mess around with, which bothers me, but I can accept it. This is just a TV series. It's not a Terminator film, so I expect the writing to be less and everything else, to be less. I give Nutter and the crew credit for trying to bring in some new ideas/concepts, rather than just re-using everything. Of course, there has to be references/winks to the Terminator films and I think they do an ok job. These are not the Terminators from the James Cameron films. These are different-acting Terminators (like Mostow's Terminators in T3). Anyway, I liked tonight's episode. Less action, than last night's, but I thought there were some cool ideas/visuals in this episode. However, I didn't like that whole chase sequence with the first Terminator/Summer and the motor-bike stuff, but, I did like this "headless" Terminator. This series has potential and I'm willing to give Nutter and crew more of a chance, since I think this episode was an improvement. I want this series to be good. And...I want Terminator: Salvation to be good...
this show has the chance to "live" by Space Disc Jockey	Jan 15th, 2008 01:34:03 AM
=)
I missed tonight's episode by caruso_stalker217	Jan 15th, 2008 01:35:29 AM
Watched an episode of THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE about JFK's assassination for some reason.
Second ep was better! I have new hope. by Pixelsmack	Jan 15th, 2008 02:10:34 AM
Wow, it just gets better. It's not great but it's 'good'. And if this trend continues it will only get better. I loved the headless T-888 finding it's head and walking around! That was awesome! Some classic Terminator moments there. Like when he walked in to that guys house to get his head.
I watched 7 minutes of this crap by 5 by 5	Jan 15th, 2008 02:19:34 AM
and turned it off. When I started hearing catch phrases from the original movies, like when the female Terminator says "come with me if you want to live" I just got pissed off. People actually get paid to write stupid stories like this?
lol by slkboxrman	Jan 15th, 2008 03:32:40 AM
u must get pissed off alot 5 by 5.....to turn off a show based on that ....loser.....check urself into anger management or play with ur dick....its that limp thing btween ur legs the size of ur lil toe....some people should be denied an internet conncection
9/11 reference by slkboxrman	Jan 15th, 2008 03:47:15 AM
i didnt think it was a patriotic reference....i thought it was just to establish the year as opposed to the one sarah left.... as for 9/11 being disturbing, yes it is disturbing that the u.s govt killed 3000 of its own citizens to justify a war in the middle east....and i live in queens nyc...so take that where its coming from...even more disturbing that since 9/11 more u.s soldiers have been killed than actually died in the WTC , fighting a war we should have never been fighting in the first place...i wish all u 9/11 crybabies would just grow up...prob the same crybabies that thought censoring every image of the WTC for a year or so after it was good too....im sure i speak for most NYers..we wanted to see the towers after that ...and most of us wanted them rebuilt exactly how they were before ...but NYers dont cry, we all got balls, even the women....just a thought
Geezus... by pk68	Jan 15th, 2008 03:54:59 AM
Fucking geeks, it's been on for 2 episodes and you're already pissing and moaning. Move out of your parent's basement and get a life!!
hey, slkboxrman by br1947	Jan 15th, 2008 05:12:42 AM
Fuck you, ya damned conspiracy loving, goat rapin' troll!
Everything fits now T3 by Dazzler69	Jan 15th, 2008 06:55:04 AM
They mentioned T3 last night and Sarah going to die of cancer. Looks like they are not ignoring T3 after all. This series could rule them all if done right. I guess the time machine survived in the future after all with all the resistance and terms coming in. Which is fine by me. Maybe they can work in Kyle Reese somehow?
So even T1 canon is out the door as by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 07:07:03 AM
Terminators now CAN go through the time portal as solid metal. What the hell? Then the body doesn't need the head because the brain is either somewhere else or has a backup including a magic backup of eyes. If that's the case then why didn't the arm run off in T2 when Arnold and crew were trying to destroy Dyson's work? That was garbage though I admit I'll still watch this to see what kind of stupid explanation they have for that. I feel like Annie Wilkes in Misery, you can't cheat on something like this. I missed a few bits, why did John show up at his mom's ex fiancee's place, and then run off. Bigger question is why does the ex care?
SKINLESS TERMINATOR HEAD CAN TIME TRAVEL? by turketron	Jan 15th, 2008 07:15:55 AM
WHAT THE FUCK? Ok, this really bothered me... only living tissue, or something wrapped in living tissue should be able to go through time. DEFINITELY not a skinless T-800 skull. And the whole untouched endoskeleton left behind in a bank that's apparently sitting near the top of the garbage heap after 7+ years? COME THE FUCK ON. I will keep watching, but shit like that bothers me. Not cheesy one liners that you EXPECT from terminators (but of course would be better from Ahnuld). AT LEAST STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE ONE ASPECT OF TIME TRAVEL THAT THE SERIES HAS SET UP. IT'S WHY THEY WERE NAKED AT THE END OF THE FIRST EPISODE. Like I dais, I'll continue to watch, just tighten this shit up. It's stuff like this that pissed me off about Heroes season 2.
Orcus, good theory except for one thing by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 07:54:45 AM
if time travel has been refined to allow Terminators to pass through then Cameron, John, and Sarah would not have landed in the future in the buff.
Since when do Terminators run away like scared bitches?? by Billyeveryteen	Jan 15th, 2008 08:33:43 AM
Regardless, this is 10 times better than Bionic woman, 5 times better than T3, and can't hold a candle to T1 and T2.
Terminator pulled a Bender by turketron	Jan 15th, 2008 10:07:44 AM
It said "CHEESE IT!" and then ran away like he had just stole somebody's quizno's sub. I love how Terminators are constantly getting blind-sided by cars too. LOL.
turketron by arrangedletters	Jan 15th, 2008 10:29:59 AM
read the thread before you post eh?
Grammaton & Turketron by Abominable Snowcone	Jan 15th, 2008 11:34:20 AM
Yeah, you're right about the skinless terminator head bouncing through the time displacement bubble. We know it shouldn't have been able to happen, and I totally missed it when it did happen. And how did the exoskeleton body arrive in the trash heap? Did it simply sit around for eight years? And NOBODY noticed? My ass. If I had a time machine, and Heady and Glau were my love slaves, I would keep zapping their clothes off with it.
Hard for the Cowboys to beat.. by Stark Industries	Jan 15th, 2008 12:29:15 PM
... the Ref's AND the Giants! How may times DID the Ref spot the ball back a yard or more?!? Didja see where he moved it back almost TWO friggn' yards!?! Then it got challenged, so they moved it up two inches for the first down... still ripping them off for a yard or more! In a game of inches, and you take away YARDS(!) it's hard to beat two 'Teams' at once! Oh well... I'm still jealous... Tony gets to sob in Jessica's breasts all off season in Mexico! (Providing that he can get her Dad out of the room long enuf! Maybe her Dad like Mex-Pooty!) Lucky Tony! My Repulsors are wet... crap. -Stark
Jett is Silly by kevinwillis.net	Jan 15th, 2008 12:48:42 PM
You clearly don't live in this country. Hate to tell ya, the quasi-socialist euro-pap you've been spoonfed by other folks who learn about America mostly through television has the same resemblance to reality that Lena Headly had to Linda Hamilton. Or that T3 had to T2. Enough to make you know it's supposed to be the same thing, but plenty different enough, so that they know that it's not. A few Hollywood writers riffing on 9/11 in one episode of Terminator: TSCC does not a nationwide obsession with 9/11 make. If anything, we are sufficiently obsessed. Oh, and if we were such a global bully, you'd all be dead or working in the patriot mines flying American flags over your peripheral continents and speaking English. Being a global bully is, alas, one problem the US doesn't have. Even remotely. Might not be so bad if we did, but we'll never know, because we don't. At the very least, the Phillipines would be a 51st state, and would have gone heavily for Obama in the primaries. Sheesh.
Timelines really screw with your head by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 01:15:18 PM
don't they. No wonder the captain of the Federation timeship relativity went off the deep end. Sorry Orcus, but I don't think 1963 parts would make a better time machine than one with future, more sophisticated parts. Snowcone, the head wasn't sitting around for eight years. When they hopped to the future, the Terminator in tiny blown up by the BFG metal pieces hopped with them. Parts were scattered all over. Johnny Lunchpail on the highway cleanup crew picked up the shiny metal skull (hey, I would too it looks cool) and brought it home. Other parts, or maybe it was one big headless chunk now that I think about it, awoke in the city scrap heap, and went off a la The Headless Horseman to find the missing apendage. Homing beacon or what, who knows. You've already heard my Annie Wilkes rant on that one.
By the way Orcus, unless you already caught by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 01:17:57 PM
your mistake, of course there were other time travel incidents prior to T1. The bank in 1963 ring a bell? Just bustin on ya.
slkboxrman, you're a lunatic by just pillow talk	Jan 15th, 2008 01:43:26 PM
Take your conspiracy theories and shove them up your ass. Orcus, good to see you've been active topside. Beware, Grammaton is on to you with his '63 comment. Mums the word.
For any Marvel geeks out there by Reel American Hero	Jan 15th, 2008 03:00:15 PM
Was I the only person reminded of one of Ultron's many ressurections in the scene(s) last night with the disembodied Terminator head taking over things and re constructing himself. Reminded me a lot of a few parts of West Coast Avengers...#24..I want to say.
The skull had flesh on it when it entered the bubble. by Pixelsmack	Jan 15th, 2008 03:08:11 PM
And was burned off in the process of jumping in time. Network censorship prevented showing the flesh searing off as it spun towards camera. RELAX.
Terminators arre inaccurate? by DocMHumphrey	Jan 15th, 2008 03:23:25 PM
Remember in T2 when ARHNOID shot the hell out of everything with a minigun and didn't kill anyone, he was even able to track said fact. I doubt that a programmed machine that was made for killing would miss a sitting, unaware, horny John Conner in a classroom. Not to be cold, but untrained high-school students/college student have a higher success rate in the same situation. Cheesy dialogue that doesn't fit the characters: "Put them back in their holsters" Enough said.
The Skull Got Zapped by Stop Apologizing For Garbage	Jan 15th, 2008 04:27:52 PM
By her futuristic gun and entered the time bubble a metal ball. This also explains why there is no flesh on the headless body left behind. The skull made it through fleshless. But good effort.
You know why paradox's are endless? by Pixelsmack	Jan 15th, 2008 05:32:43 PM
Because time travel, the actual act of going back or forward to another time period will NEVER be possible. This is why paradox's are such a fuck to apply any kind of 'rules' to. It is silly to think such a thing ever could be. I don't care WTF Einstein was smoking. The only feasible REAL way to travel is FORWARDS and only by "waiting" in a state of suspension. End of story. You cannot go back to something that happened before. There is no database of 'life previous'!
He was living metal tissue? by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 05:57:48 PM
I don't know, but Mr. Orcus I think first you need to stop talking about yourself in the first person. Second, you are banished for spelling Connor with an E. I guess we can let it go in lieu of the shall we say creativity of you trying to explain the time thread. And Pixelsmack, if flesh is burned off then JC, Sarah, and Fembot would be walking around like some reject from Hellraiser. T-1000 aside, Terminators can't go through without their living flesh casing, no can any non-living thing go through. The writers screwed up, but won't own up to it, Orcus' creative time continuum theories aside.
T2 Terminator equals prequel Clonetrooper by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 06:00:18 PM
SCC Terminator equals Episode IV - VI Stormtroopers.
Actually Orcus in a geeky sort of way by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 06:06:05 PM
the first person thing is kind of growing on me.
Uh, duh third by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 15th, 2008 06:35:00 PM
"Me flunk English, that's unpossible"
I got some major love for the Orcus... by travis-dane	Jan 15th, 2008 08:01:07 PM
for talking about himself in third person.travis sometimes does that too(as an homage).keep it up orcus.
Pilot episode for free on itunes by skywalkerfamily	Jan 15th, 2008 08:02:27 PM
Pretty cool.
T1000 by Alientoast	Jan 15th, 2008 09:06:30 PM
The T-1000 and the TX-whatever from T3 had no actual flesh, yet they went through. Plus the TX had fucking WEAPONS as part of her system. The Terminator franchise has been running circles around the "nothing not living can come through!" plot device since T2. Maybe the writers will think of some reason as to why artificial stuff can make it through...maybe there's some other factor besides the meatbag one.
Every "time" a future entity comes "back" by kabong	Jan 15th, 2008 10:12:08 PM
to now something gets changed so that the subsequent time period between that arrival temporal point and the future departure temporal point may be altered. Maybe not much is altered. Or maybe something big, such as the capability of non-living material to be temporally transported. What doesn't change, though, is that in 2029 John Connor defeats Skynet.
T1/TX Exteriors Mimic Living Flesh by kevinwillis.net	Jan 16th, 2008 07:33:07 AM
Or generate the type of life-field required for time travel. It's an arbitrary plot device, anyway, so arguing that the nano-metal surface could mimic the carbon matrix of living cellular tissue seems reasonable. Such devices could also have a high failure rate, or require ten times the energy, or . . . whatever, that's why the machines still send back skin-covered Terminators. Just easier to actually get them back into the past.
In T1 Arnold Shot at Reese and Sarah A Lot by kevinwillis.net	Jan 16th, 2008 07:40:16 AM
And missed. A lot. The T-1000 missed a fair amount. The TX in T3 missed quite a bit. So it's plausible, if not the best way to frame that situation. Also, Summer Glau got in the way. Though why she fell down just because she was shot with a few bullets, I dunno.
Retardness of Skynet... by Ghostball	Jan 16th, 2008 09:16:04 AM
Why couldn't it command a Terminator the first time to go back and use a BOMB against Sarah Connor? Maybe take out its own main nulcear power cell when in her vicinity? What was with all the guns so that it could miss her million times? Or was Waitress-Sarah so stone-cold badass even then that she could survive a mini nuclear 'splosion (but not a bullet)The answer to that is 'no, of course not, what kind of stupid question is that'. And did Skynet, the biggest machine intelligence on the planet, really not possess in 2029 the 1984 home address of the mom of its greatest enemy? Still, Terminator 1 and 2 are all time-classic movies, and 3 was fun with a great ending. Looking forward to Chronicles.
T3 wasnt great, but it wasnt bad either by BurgerKing	Jan 16th, 2008 09:24:11 AM
I enjoyed T3, for as much of a gimmick that a girl Terminator is, the movie still had great action, cool sci-fi and a decent wrap up with a cool ending. Yeah there's too much self-referencing and it doesn't reinvent the wheel, but then again, do any of these "decade later" sequels?
t3 will be better than McGs anyway by BurgerKing	Jan 16th, 2008 09:25:11 AM
If your hating on T3, you'll probably be begging for it back once McG unleashes his vision of Terminator on the world....
Frustrating by Messyjoe	Jan 16th, 2008 11:24:02 AM
I suppose that expectations always exceed reality. Anyway as said above unrealistic scenes detract a lot. I did not expect the mother to appear to be hot for her son and only 10 years older, and be jealous of a 'girl' robot! How do you have sex with a terminator robot? Very carefully.
Oh golly slkboxrman by 5 by 5	Jan 17th, 2008 12:41:12 AM
You done told me. I think I will cry now because you didn't like what I said. I will bend my will to you slkboxrman so that my every thought and deed meets your approval. I do not know what I was thinking slkboxrman when I voiced my opinion without checking with you first. You fucking tool.
I bet if Orcus wrote for NBC by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 17th, 2008 06:48:32 AM
Journeyman would not have been cancelled.

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