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First!
by Jubba
Jan 9th, 2008
08:12:30 AM
I like comics. I'm enjoying Freddy vs Jason vs Ash
Second?
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jan 9th, 2008
08:12:33 AM
?

by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jan 9th, 2008
08:13:10 AM
Phew, glad I didn't put "first" - what a chump I might have looked!
JMS > marvel
by palewook
Jan 9th, 2008
08:17:05 AM
meh. its a silly way to undo the past decade+
JMS' Run(second best after Stan Lee) RETCONNED!!!
by messi
Jan 9th, 2008
08:20:29 AM
FUCK YOU JOE Q. I have been the biggest supporter of your tenure and it's no doubt you have made Marvel mega huge and just owning everything, and with some of the best comics and stories ever written. But to take away every Spiderman story I have ever read just hurt me real bad, after I finished One More Day I couldn't shake off the feeling at the pit of my stomach. It hurts.
When even Straczynski knows Quesada f'ed up Spidey
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 9th, 2008
08:27:42 AM
And this is a guy who had Spider-Man eating people's heads!
Uhhhh that's not the same Karate Kid
by messi
Jan 9th, 2008
08:28:45 AM
the one running around in Countdown isn't the same one as the Karate Kid in the Mark Waid Legionverse(which is the New Earth legion) whilst The Lightning saga and Countdown Legion seems to be Earth 1.
Also, "Ultimate Human" is out?
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 9th, 2008
08:34:13 AM
Super. That's probably the last Ultimate book I'll read (thanks, Warren Ellis!) unless Hulk/Wolverine ever finishes. The rest of the line's really gone down the crapper.
JMS' Run is one of the greatest runs ever
by messi
Jan 9th, 2008
08:40:18 AM
the totem stuff and children of gwen(which was changed editorially) aside, no one wrote Spidey better and wrote better Spidey stories since Stan. And they were some of the greatest comics ever. His run will go down as one of the great runs along side Stan on Spidey and F4. Frank Miller on Daredevil. BMB on Daredevil. Chris Claremont on post Giant Size X-men. Geoff Johns on Green Lantern. Alan Moore on Swamp Thing. Garth Ennis on Punisher Max. Ed Brubaker on Captain America. etc etc
Lost Girls
by bingo the clown
Jan 9th, 2008
08:43:31 AM
You're not supposed to jerk off to it. Try reading it for the story that's going on around the sex. You'll find it's very good.
rev_skarekroe what do you mean?
by messi
Jan 9th, 2008
08:48:29 AM
Ultimate Spidey is still excellent.
Brand New Day... what a copout.
by blindambition238
Jan 9th, 2008
08:51:55 AM
This issue is sort of like the comic equivalent of a "it was all a dream" ending. Between 'Countdumb', all the Crises, Civil War, and this... argh
ASM #545 review
by alfiemoon
Jan 9th, 2008
08:52:23 AM
"The communication between artist and writer is evident in this book" - - - I don't know if you're aware of this, but the final issue was substantially rewritten by Joe Quesada, so that might be why you feel that the artwork represents the intent of the writing so well.
Can't you make the covers a little bigger please?
by testricals
Jan 9th, 2008
09:07:20 AM
Would be nice, also preview of the work?
Ultimate Human...
by rock-me Amodeo
Jan 9th, 2008
09:10:31 AM
Yeah, and I thought about referencing Iron Man as "Tony Stork" but i wasn't sure it would be funny to anyone but the COGS...
Angel story is more interesting than Buffy
by RogueScribner
Jan 9th, 2008
09:24:48 AM
I also think the art is generally better, too. However, characters tend to look goofy or bland in both runs and I wish the time finding cover artists who can make recognizable faces would be spent doing that for inside the books. But hey, at least we have new Buffy and Angel stories to sink our teeth into. For that, I'm grateful.
Yeah, ASM #545 wasn't a badly-written book...
by stones_throw
Jan 9th, 2008
09:27:06 AM
The problem with it is the correct resolution was to have Pete face facts and let Aunt May go. The devil tempts Spider-Man with a deal...and he gives in? It would have been more responsible, heroic and dramatic had he turned Mephisto down and decided to progress with his life with MJ, not to mention allowing for some good Spidey-guilt stories. The resolution we got just came off as immature and selfish (and yes, I realise that technically it was Mary Jane who spoke to Mephisto). And then the last few pages in the new status quo...Quesada (who wrote them) was obviously going for a light and breezy tone, but it just comes off as drab. Peter wakes up, gets dressed and goes to a party. No Spider-Man appearance, no humor or emotion -- I suppose that's what you get when editorial take over writing duties. I mean, I'm still optimistic about the new stuff, but this was a stinky way to get there.
Yeah, USM is still ok.
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 9th, 2008
09:28:31 AM
But I don't like it enough to read it consistently. And it's already starting to get wrapped up in all the crossover nonsense that's coming. I'm just not interested anymore.
Ultimate X-men's taken a real dive though
by blindambition238
Jan 9th, 2008
09:38:39 AM
They had a half-assed phoenix storyline and fell into a time travel pit of nonsense like 616 continuity.
Angel: After the Fall #2
by newc0253
Jan 9th, 2008
09:40:44 AM
I think the art in #2 improved slightly over the art in #1. In the first one, the art was ass-rapingly bad. In #2, the art is still pretty terrible but occasionally it rises to the level of okay.

I agree that the story is compelling enough to make up for the shitty art, but all i think about is how much more amazing it would be if only they had an artist who was halfway decent.

I'm not sure I agree that the Angel story is better than Buffy season 8, especially when the most recent Buffy appeared to hint at a tie-in with Fray and an ultimate resolution that, if true, seems to spell an end to the whole shebang. I think the difference is that we're finally catching up with what happened after Angel went off the air, whereas the same wasn't true of Buffy because we had Angel season 5 to throw up broad hints of what was happening (e.g. the Watcher's Council being reformed).

Overeaction on Spider-Man
by lonecow
Jan 9th, 2008
09:43:04 AM
When will fans stop freaking out every time some huge stoyline takes place. Do you honestly think Peter and MJ won't end up back together? Eventully some writer will take over the book and get them back together. Remember when everyone freaked out over Spider-Man's idenity being revealed? Wow, that lasted a long time. Someone always comes along to stir up the formula, but there are a million other writers who like it the way it was and try to fix it. Thats the problem with comics. There is no consistency. I hope if Bendis every leaves Ultimate Spider-Man, he just stops the storyline there.
The art is why I haven't bought the Angel comic
by Neo Zeed
Jan 9th, 2008
09:54:46 AM
The pencils are so amateurish and the colors are so loud, I can't be bothered. And I've seen every Buffy/Angel episode since it originally aired. I'm not looking for a Travis Charest/Middleton superstar, just give me something like Cliff Richards from the original Buffy comics. I'm sure the story is great, but until they switch artists I'll have to pass.
Neo Zeed
by rock-me Amodeo
Jan 9th, 2008
10:03:22 AM
You must be digging the latest BUFFY, then!
The "retro-fix" gives him mechanical shooters back, not organic
by Thick McRunFast
Jan 9th, 2008
10:04:33 AM
Geez, you guys need editors.
Angel art vs Buffy art
by newc0253
Jan 9th, 2008
10:20:22 AM
Jeanty's art for Buffy season 8 has its problems: he draws some characters better than others and it's sometimes too cartoony for its own good. But Jeanty's art for Buffy isn't just head and shoulders above Urru's art for Angel, it's giant head and giant shoulders atop a giant torso and super-long legs above Urru's art. I think Urru is slowly improving but if his art was on par with that of Jeanty's, i wouldn't have any complaints.
OMD's Magic Mephisto Reset is incredibly stupid
by SpyGuy
Jan 9th, 2008
10:21:10 AM
There are a ton of things wrong with the ending to "One More Day," which many have already listed here and elsewhere. The idea that Spider-Man, Marvel's flagship character whose image has been slapped on all kinds of kids products, would make a deal with the devil (Mephisto) that wipes out his marriage just to save the life of his elderly aunt that is normally one overly-startled moment from a heart attack already is fucking ridiculous.

Just because Joe Quesada thinks there's more story potential in a single Peter Parker (i.e. he can kiss and have sex with other girls and...that's about it, really), he's forced a change that few people actually wanted. And to make matters worse, Peter is now a pathetic twentysomething loser that is living at home again (his Aunt's house) because Quesada thinks that makes him more "relatable" to readers.

Unfortunately for Marvel, most people that still read comics these days are married thirtysomething professionals because they're the only ones that can still afford comics at $3 (or more) per issue.

Anyone heard
by Trik_Ster
Jan 9th, 2008
10:22:33 AM
When Planetary vol 4 will be out?
Will this have all the final issues of the comic or will they need to extend it to a 5th vol?
ASM 545 Made Me Sad
by BilboRing
Jan 9th, 2008
10:29:33 AM
As a father and husband, I see this issue as a complete loss and something that neither of the Parkers would have done. Deal withthe devil? Come on. Peter and MJ have been married for a very very long time. This will mess with a lot of issues and that sucks. Why do this? What do you think MJ said to Mephisto? They even lost their child. That killed me. Civil War ruined Spider-Man. This is the best they could do? I'll keep reading b/c I love the character. But I feel very empty about all of this. Empty and sad.
She Hulk / Leon Spinks crossover?
by Baron Karza
Jan 9th, 2008
11:01:35 AM
You guys missed the boat on that!
welcome back @$$holes.
by blackthought
Jan 9th, 2008
11:10:22 AM
thanks for the reviews.
That Lost Girls review..
by dtpena
Jan 9th, 2008
11:17:20 AM
Eww... TMI!
Why does the art in Angel:ATF suck so bad? Here's why:
by Psynapse
Jan 9th, 2008
11:33:49 AM
$3.99 A FUCKING ISSUE!!! For that kind cover price I should at least be able to enjoy what I'm looking at. RogueScribner and I go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back (as does Thalya with us) as Buffy/Angel fans, but I can't agree with his assessment of the art. Even though it's a story I've damn near convulsed to see continue for art that shitty I'll tradewait a discount from Amazon before I'll give IDW $3.99 (Okay $3.19 for me but still) a fucking month. And yeah, I'm the guy who RAVED about IDW's Great and Secret Show adaptation. Angel's art sucks rancid donkey balls no matter how you fry it.
OMD was a fucking DISASTER
by Steve Rogers
Jan 9th, 2008
11:37:07 AM
Start to finish. HUGE balls-up. The Mephisto angle is awful. Suck my cock, Joe Q. Suck it good and hard, you douchebag. And by the way, Messi - JMS's run one of the best ever? No way.
"I'll keep reading b/c I love the character. But I feel very emp
by Psynapse
Jan 9th, 2008
11:42:05 AM
Way to behave EXACTLY as JoeQ hopes you do. The ONLY way to send ANY kind of message is to stop buying the book. Continuing to buy the books makes you exactly this: A sycophant (Y'know like Nicole Richie used to be to Paris Hilton until she got her own skankbag fanbase). Still buying Spidey books folks? Well, just so ya know sheep tend to get slaughtered.....
It's magic
by sickboy_ukuk
Jan 9th, 2008
12:01:52 PM
we dont have to explain shit!!!
Comic Books
by Trik_Ster
Jan 9th, 2008
12:06:30 PM
are the cash crop of Area 51
Psy is alive!
by Shigeru
Jan 9th, 2008
12:30:27 PM
Sweet.

JMS's run started great, and he won an eisner for it. But it quickly went down the shit-tubes and I can't believe people are saying norman-fucking-gwen, spider-totem BS is one of the best runs ever. I'll take effing MAXIMUM CARNAGE over that garbage, lol.

BilboRing: STOP BUYING THE COMICS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!! IF YOU DON'T THEN YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
trik_ster
by Shigeru
Jan 9th, 2008
12:31:34 PM
...what?
Wow!
by Redbox
Jan 9th, 2008
12:36:38 PM
Not gonna rant, but I'm really surprised that you found "AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #545" entertaining. Bad decisions aside, this was a boring story arc that could have been written in one issue, stretched out to make more money. How you got entertained, by nothing happening, but watching characters act against type and traits, manipulated so heavy handedly by editorial decision, that it felt like crisis on infinite Spider-Earths, tells me you have little to contribute to comic criticism. Could be wrong, I'm just saying I don't read restaurant reviews from people who think culinary history ended at the "Big Mac.". Cheers!
By the way
by Redbox
Jan 9th, 2008
12:45:30 PM
I have read Spider-man since I was 5. In 1991, I quit because it was getting so bad, I didn't care. When JMS came aboard I joined up again. Most of which I enjoyed, some of which was very poor(Gwen babies). Now... I'm leaving again. I love Peter Parker, but I won't pay money to see him smeared this way. He should have had a baby.. Should have had a real dramtic lif instead of dumb DC like magic, and a deal with the devil. If you want Spidey unmarried read Ultimate Spider-man or MarvelAge. If you love this character, you should leave now and hope that sometime in the future, they'll bring it back to something worth reading. Do your own reconning. Cheers!
OMD = Worst. Comic. Ever!
by Blanket-Man
Jan 9th, 2008
12:47:12 PM
Yes, even Comic Book Guy would hate this drivel. A deal with the devil? Yeah, that's Peter Parker, alright. Joe Cue is a moron; he even took his spin control to Howard Stern yesterday (even Howard wasn't buying it, much). As for the JMS run: Eh, it was OK. After the disastrous Clone Saga, the boring Howard Mackie Era, and John Byrne's drek, JMS seemed like Shakespeare. He's no Stan or Michelinie, though.
Shigeru
by Trik_Ster
Jan 9th, 2008
12:53:12 PM
which one?
Making a deal with the devil?
by ian216a
Jan 9th, 2008
01:07:38 PM
Insane. Absolutely insane. Anyone, grief-striken or not, would know that this would be the GREATER OF TWO EVILS. Like Peter Parker doesn't watch Supernatural, I ask you. Also, Peter & MJ know exactly what Aunt May's decision on this would be. So they decide to go against her wishes? Idiots. I got no problem with ret-conning if it is for the best, but this was actually just stupid, character alienating, nonsense. And the rationale for doing it lacks credibility as well. Why would Peter Parker be more interesting if he was looking for a girlfriend? Apart from to 14 year girls that is? Surely the steadily aging marvel customer base is going to be more invested in seeing him deal with wife and kids? Surely? Wouldn't you just be stupid to think otherwise? Wouldn't you? Joe Q may have been a big part of bringing Marvel out of the financial and artistic shitpile it was in in the 90's, but this is just wrong. Either he is showing the early signs of some mentally degenerating disease, or he has been possessed by the revenge seeking spirit of Jack Kirby. Hoping for the latter as that would be cool. Props to JMS for getting his name taken off the cover of that abortion.
aunt may alive?
by foree forehead
Jan 9th, 2008
01:10:04 PM
i thought she died ages ago, in that crappy "straight on 'till morning" story? i loved spider-man in the 80s and early 90s but i doubt i could stomach this modern dreck.
Necessary Evil 1&2
by J_Williamson
Jan 9th, 2008
01:34:27 PM
Thanks for reviewing my comic, Ambush bug! Issue 3 is in stores now along with issue 1 and 2 if any one wants to give them a try.
Amazing Spiderman #545 sucked penis
by dr_john_zoidberg
Jan 9th, 2008
01:40:40 PM
It started off in a reasonably promising arena, but by the end I was ready to stop reading Spiderman comics completely. They'd better fix this shit fast, and BEFORE the Skrulls storyline comes into play.
sorry to barge in... SEXYBACK, you out there?
by worldofwarcraft
Jan 9th, 2008
01:56:56 PM
I'm in brooklyn, trying to see whats up with that Cloverfield party on Stanton. What's up with that? Should i just pop up at the door and be like, "Im a friend of Rob". Help me out here.
Why do comic books have such an aversion to change?
by drewlicious
Jan 9th, 2008
02:03:33 PM
So pretty much all of the major changes to Spider-man's lifestyle have been undone. That whole unmasking fiasco, which made the evening news for some reason, is completely erased and on top of that even Harry Osbourne's death is undone. What the hell? Why didn't you just declare the last few years a dream then? The whole good thing I see coming out of this is that now there is some necessary conflict to ignite some passion between Peter and MJ. Couples are much more interesting when they're so far apart. And maybe we get to see poor Harry being mentally abused by very much alive father. I say whenever Peter and MJ get back together the deal with Mephisto is negated and Aunt May drops dead. But crap like this pisses me off, no one who is dead is ever truly dead. Captain America will probably be back in a year, just like Superman. I'm hoping Ultimate Spider-Man shows some guts and keeps both the Goblins dead. It's been pretty brave so far, turning Gwen Stacey into Carnage and all that.
OMD / BND is a mixed bag.
by TallBoy66
Jan 9th, 2008
02:13:19 PM
OMD was an awkward story, somewhat well told. The story couldn't get over the vibe of editoriality mandated retcon. And using Mephisto as Joe Q was kind of lame. However, Marvel is right where Spidey's main 616 has strayed very far from the character's roots, his great supporting cast is, like, what, nothing? Peter, MJ, and May? That's also lame. But saying Civil War unmasking-happened-but-really- didn't is just also awkward. There is promise in the Brand New Day, but, dear lord, getting there and the specifics of it really does stink.
Angel's art
by RogueScribner
Jan 9th, 2008
02:13:45 PM
I'm not as learned as some folks here when it comes to comic books, but I know what I like. Maybe it's the world of Angel that intrigues me so, but I can't help feeling that there was a slightly better translation of the 'verse in Angel's case rather than Buffy's. Maybe I'm so connected with all things Buffy that any variations in the look and feel of it throw me off, whereas Angel has always been noirish and kinda crazy so it's not so out of the norm there.

But both titles could stand some improvement in the art department, all told. I just don't see how Angel's is really any worse than Buffy's at this point. Maybe the titles aren't selling well enough to warrant better artists, but then I have to think that surely there are some Whedon fans out there who could do a better job.

I can deal with less than ideal drawings as long as the story is worthy, and so far it has been.
Aunt May is a SKRULL!!!!
by Mr. Nix
Jan 9th, 2008
02:23:34 PM
Now THAT would be an interesting twist.
Angel and OMD
by Sin86a
Jan 9th, 2008
02:26:37 PM
Yeah so OMD suck ass. There wa sno redeeming value in this book whatsoever. I don't think I've ever wnated to shove a comic in my paper shredder before, but it seriously crossed my mind. I would've been okay if they were divorced but the new status quo is fucking awful! No one remembers who he is? Really? This changes the entire 616 universe and EIC seems to think it only affects his corner of the universe. Ugh... As for Angel... I really want to like it. But It's SO over the top that I find it hard to get into. LA has literally become hell (for a while now according to the book) and no one has shown up? There should be armies of slayers in there but nope. Sections of LA are now run by demons and there's a whole underground resistance. Why don't they just leave? I love Angel and co. so I'm sticking it out but I just wish it were a little more roped in. The whole Apocalypse in LA thing is killing me. And the art really is awful...
Morrison on Batman
by WavingFlagsInSpace
Jan 9th, 2008
02:32:08 PM
Adding to the various chats slightly, but how does a crossover like Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul get managed? Do Morrison, Dini, Nicieza and whodyamaflip get to work the script together? I only ask because sections of it were shite and I refuse to believe Morrison and Dini could convene to create such nobcheese...
Mr. Nix
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 9th, 2008
02:32:25 PM
You mean if Peter made a deal with Mephisto to save Aunt May's life and she turned out to be a Skrull? That's a messed up idea. I love it.
And BTW...
by WavingFlagsInSpace
Jan 9th, 2008
02:34:53 PM
Could Mephisto be a Skrull? Is that possible?
I am Redbox
by rock-me Amodeo
Jan 9th, 2008
02:44:39 PM
I've been reading Spidey since I was five, so no one is allowed to have an opinion different from mine. If you do, then you're shallow and I'll treat you like crap, just because you didn't say exactly what I thought you should say, as if everyone is supposed to march in Orwellian lockstep with my opinion. And then, after I'm done ridiculing you for for deigning to find anything of redeeming value in something I find icky, I will pretend that I'm above it all by issuing a smarmy epithet after my nasty little diatribe, like "Cheers!"

feh
In other words...
by rock-me Amodeo
Jan 9th, 2008
02:52:38 PM
try limiting your opinion to the comic book, and not give your opinion of someone else's opinion, or else you leave me no choice but to give you my opinion of your opinion of his opinion...no one wins in ad hominem arguments, neither you nor me.
Everyome says JMS Spidey was so great.
by Detective_Fingerling
Jan 9th, 2008
02:57:59 PM
I think JMS run on Spidey has been utter garbage since before Civil War started. I feel cheated by that Aunt May shooting / Kingpin arc and I feel cheated by OMD. I ended my subscription to ASM after reading the 4th issue of one more day and refuse to resubscribe unless it goes back to form and back to one issue per month. WHY do we need three issues per month of the same title? As far as Angel goes, I was only half into the show, so I have no reason to buy the new Angel books - unless they go on sale at my local shop - , but I subscribe to Buffy and will continue to do so.
OIne More Douche
by Jinxo
Jan 9th, 2008
02:58:20 PM
Here's the thing. I hate the idea that they broke up Peter and MJ. But if that story was done right I could have accepted it. There was no need to retcon the whole thing away. That's the laziest way to do it. Hit the &$%#$ reset button. And not on just that plot but on tons other continuity. There was no need. Even if you wanted to do the Mephisto angle (which is ass) it could still be done without gutting the history of the character. If Mephisto could break them up "back then" he could work the same mojo in the current timeframe. Yes, then Aunt May's shooting wouldn't "unhappen" but so what? It's ficiton. You write it different so that she amazingly recovers. But then, of course, Peter's unmasking wouldn't be fixed. Boo hoo. You were the a-holes who put that plot in play anyway. You started it so run with it or find an intellegent way to undo it. And, oh, by the way, the folks writing Avengers Initiative ALREADY DID!!!

If it aint broke, don't fix it. Amazing Spider-Man has had it's problems but nothing so wrong that it required this level of "fixing". Joe Q sez say, "Yeah, that wasn't so good, but wait and see where we go with things now!" Yeah, no. Anyone decent at writing can provide a story that is well written most all of the time without the need to utterly derail things in a massive cluster f*** and then set things right.

Will the new direction be worth reading? I won't be finding out. Sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie but I'll never know because I won't eat the filthy **&%$ers.
rock-me Amodeo
by Redbox
Jan 9th, 2008
03:07:21 PM
Wow! You make me sound like a Nazi! And what did I say to upset you so? I said I didn't like the poor writing and obvious heavy handed exposition. I said that the fellow who write this criticism is not a critic whose opinion I would trust. Oh, it's not about that is it? I offended you didn't I? I made fun of your truest friend, your reason for living? I'm sorry, I take it all back. I'm sorry I spoke ill of the Big Mac. Now, if you're done, crawl back into your well worn crater on the old sofa cushion and don't attack people for being fascist unless you actually look up the word in the dictionary first. Remember my friend, a brain can't just be used without practice, start small with a coloring book before moving to things like public discussion. Be safe and avoid PBS.
Buffy
by Jinxo
Jan 9th, 2008
03:13:12 PM
Not saying I'm not liking the Buffy comics. Just saying in terms of the plot Buffy's feels more familiar and safer. Still enjoyable and well above par. Just that ANgel's plot right now is off the map in where it's headed.
If the Big Mac is my best friend...
by rock-me Amodeo
Jan 9th, 2008
03:32:32 PM
...then the straw man argument is yours. Wokka wokka wokka...
Yo Rogue....
by Psynapse
Jan 9th, 2008
03:33:21 PM
Not for a whole 'nother dollah it ain't! *wink*
I have a question......
by Psynapse
Jan 9th, 2008
03:51:58 PM
Can SOMEONE (@$$es, Cogs, Senior Partners, JoeQ, JMS, Hell....ANYONE) please tell me what is 'NEW' about 'Brand New day'? Seriously, isn't EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. THING. something we've already seen?

I. SWEAR. TO. GOD.-Stay THE FUCK out of the entire state of Florida Quesada, because this pole-smoker WILL be kidney and nut-punching you until you puke what's left your dyspeptic liver you obnoxious, judgemental, hypocritical greasy FUCK. GRRR-MOTHERFUCKING-AARGH indeed.....

Gods below, I beseech thee. Give me a troll to beat on until my rage (seriously I wanna HURT that fuck) subsides to only 'devastated downtown tokyo' levels instead of this nuclear cloud of rage that is making senior citizens near ne keel over (wait...I AM a Floridian, this is a GOOD thing when the old die, believe you me.)

Me too!
by Squashua
Jan 9th, 2008
04:01:52 PM
Where you at, Psy?
rev_skarekroe
by Mr. Nix
Jan 9th, 2008
04:15:11 PM
It would make mephisto's treat even tastier!
Actually...
by Jinxo
Jan 9th, 2008
04:19:08 PM
It should have been like this. Peter and MJ make a deal with Mephisto to save May. Time is reset. Peter wakes up to a "brand new day". He runs out of the house and Aunt May chases out after him shouting, "You forgot your lunch!" at which point she is struck and killed by a truck. No lingering death she might come out of. Splat. Greasy spot. Dead.

I actually would hate this whole thing any which way but to just have fate viciously screw over Peter for making a deal with the devil would make me smile. It was all for nothing jackhole!
rock-me Amodeo
by Redbox
Jan 9th, 2008
04:23:13 PM
Hey Punchy, I never said anything about people not being allowed to have an opinion different than mine, and marching in Orwellian lockstep is pretty much an allusion to fascism, so I don't see what you mean by straw man. I said some heartfelt things about Spidey and I said that the dude who wrote this piece had poor taste if he found anything entertaining in what was a rather boorish bit of execution. This was regardless of whether I approved of the overall story arc. The only arguments made out of straw around here are yours. Remember, comprehension involves both intake and understanding. Now, to top it off, you are mocking Fozzy Bear! I won't have it! You're a dark and twisted soul! How can I respond to that! I give up! Truly, I have been bested, I acknowledge it..... Oh ... Now I get it! No... you misunderstood me. The Big Mac thing... That wasn't a straw man argument... It has a different name. It's called a "Joke." Cheers!
Wait...
by Redbox
Jan 9th, 2008
04:27:01 PM
Were you mocking me as Fozzy Bear or PacMan? There is a slight, sociological difference you know.
For the love of Allah, fix the art in Angel!!!
by captboulder
Jan 9th, 2008
04:44:52 PM
I haven't read #2 because the fucker was soldout in ONE DAY!!!

Man, I have got to get my hands on issue #2!

OMD Killed Spiderman For Me
by LaserPants
Jan 9th, 2008
04:46:39 PM
WHO FUCKING CARES ABOUT AUNT MAY? I mean, seriously, now. I can understand being upset about losing a loved one, but Peter's creepy obsession with her is, well, creepy. So, he made a deal with the devil to erase and retcon the entire Marvel universe, end his marriage, and save Aunt May so she can live for, what, another 6 months? Aunt May is like 98 years old! She's supposed to die! If she dies of natural causes in 6 months, will Peter make another deal with Satan to bring her back? I mean, really now! What is he fucking Norman Bates? TERRIBLE.
I Find Spider-Man Very Relatable Now...
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 9th, 2008
04:47:45 PM
You see, until last month, I was the President of the United States. Just let me say that if you think Mr. Bush has us in trouble, you don't remember what I did. What a mess! Fortunately, my life was retconned, and all of yours along with it. Now, I'm just a humble-whatever-it-is-that-I-d o and you're all of you.

So Spidey does still represent the average guy! Except that it wasn't an old Silver Surfer villain that reconned me, it was a magic tuba I found in the Lincoln bedroom.

Seriously, remember when Spidey was supposed to be a regular guy with problem who happened to have spider-power and fight maniacs? Most people end up in some type of long term romantic relationship ... granted, not most people who read comic books, but...Okay, rather than follow an average married schlub who takes out the garbage, changes diapers, doesn't make enough money and fights Octa-Goblins, we get bad fantasy.

Here's what Marvel won't and can't do: if they want a younger hero that readers in their late teens and early 20s can relate to (and forget about going any younger because kids as a species don't care about comics any more, why not create one? After all, comic book writers and artists are now called Creators, even though they mostly use characters at Marvel that were created by Jack Kirby, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko.

But what about creators rights, Buzz?

Glad you asked that, glad you asked that. What about 'em? Really, are most of the creator-owned crap characters really that valuable? Are they going to be around 5-10-15-2 years from now? Nope. Marvel should pay fairly, but pay somebody like Kirkman or Bendis to CREATE a new character. Not Ellis because, y'know the character would be just like Ellis and just like all the other Ellis characters. I'm talkin' six figures. Yeah, I know the character could potentially be worth more than six figures but that's usually a lot of wasted potential. Nobody is Jack Kirby circa 1964 these days.

Or pay guys like us considerably less than six figures. If Marvel ponied up $50,000 grand I'd sell 'em ownership of...The Blues. Yeah, the Blues. He's not into the Blues but he, uh, can turn into blue energy or something stupid like that. Sure, it'd probably tank in half an issue but Spider-Man would be as consistent, intelligent and enjoyable as a comic book should be.

Stupid Lack Of Edit Feature
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 9th, 2008
04:51:52 PM
You fill in all the punctuation and missing letters on my last post. Do I look like a sissy?

by blackthought
Jan 9th, 2008
04:54:52 PM
I am done with AMS
by marv42134213
Jan 9th, 2008
04:55:17 PM
I grew up with spider-man, going back to the days when he was on the electric company. I learned to read on the classic marvel comics and have collected them for years. This whole retcon thing has ruined buying spiderman books for me. I like ultimate, which is where readers get to enjoy spidey growing up. As an older reader, I went through that as a loyal consumer for many years. I think that things started going downhill with the JMS run with the totem, the other, the offensive take on Gwen Stacey screwing the green goblin, unmasking in civil war, and now making a deal with the devil. I know it's just a funny book at the end of the day, but I am sure I am not the only one that has spent thousands of dollars on these books, followed the stories and now, guess what, they didn't matter cause the powers that be didn't like a married peter parker. It is just too stupid for me to even follow anymore. I pretty much haven given up on comics altogether these days except for a few. I really like fables, Y, ennis's punisher, whedons x-men, and that's about it. It just seems like the big 2 are publishing alot of mediocre stuff and if it doesn't do well, the next guy comes along and it magically goes away. I wish somebody could get ellis and cassiday to bring back planetary and the classic authority. Those were awesome reads that I thought were well written and you could tell that at least some thought went into them. I guess I am just tired of these "big" events that require you to buy 15 titles, then leave you feeling like you wasted your time and money reading them. Sorry for ranting, it just is upsetting to see so little care given to a character I grew up with. But to all of you who enjoy them or don't agree, hey, to each his own. Whatever makes you happy. Hope you all are having a good new year! Peace:>
LaserPants Is Right
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 9th, 2008
04:58:16 PM
Since kids don't read comics, since chronological adults like us do read comics...why not have Aunt May die realistically? No supervillains or gangsters or bad decisions by Spidey.

Spider-Man is about a superhero with real problems. Well, all of us are going to have to face the death of a loved one, especially parents or parental figures. Both my parents are dead. I could relate to a Spidey who voiced that feeling of being all alone...greater in Pete's case because he doesn't have any siblings or even cousins or any other family that we know about. He's It. The top generation. After the grief, it's a strange feeling when that happens, especially since Pete is already an orphan who could have stopped the killer of his second father figure, etc.

Silly me, I thought...
by Burgundy82
Jan 9th, 2008
05:01:13 PM
...that if you wanted good stories about a young, single Spiderman you could just read Ultimate. Guess not. Why couldn't you just die, Aunt May, you dried-up cunt?
Buzz
by Burgundy82
Jan 9th, 2008
05:06:34 PM
That's a fantastic idea, and I genuinely applaud you. Unfortunately, the last NEW character to really carry a brand (and crossover into what could comparatively be called "cultural icon status") was fucking Spawn.
spidey starts off the new year...
by blackthought
Jan 9th, 2008
05:07:51 PM
of comics with such a crapfest. way to spidey. you asshole. where are those spiderman is a dick comic books? what u mean that is superman? i never thought petey was so stupid to make deals with devils and stuff...i wonder if joey q was originally going to use mephisto to magically take away wolverine's smoking habits until he got another idea how to do it? mephisto to wolverine, "logan, i want your nicotine addiction, that is the price you have to pay." mephisto to squirrel girl, "i must have your relationships with squirrels...i must, i must", mephisto to joey q, "i am your father." so when does world war mephisto or civil war mephisto happen?
Marvel Has Just Hired Me To Write & Draw...
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 9th, 2008
05:16:16 PM
SPIDER-MAN & HIS OEDPIAL COMPLEX FRIENDS!

The series will feature Pete/Spidey rooming with Elvis Presley (aka The Karatae King) and Robert E. Howard (aka the Barbarian). Together, these three stalwarts fight evil and moon over the maternal figures in their lives. Here's a preview:

SPIDEY: I just can't lose Aunt May. I can't think of myself or Mary Jane or the daughter we may or may not have depending on current continuity. If I have to choose my wife or Aunt May, it's not a choice.

(Electro nails Spidey with a power bolt)

ELECTRO:That's twisted, man.

Brawling with spoiled rich kid Bill Bixy, Elvis shakes his head.

ELVIS:I know exactly how ya feel, Pete. Nobody ever loved me like mah mamma.

BIXBY:But you had sex with a young Ann-Margret. I mean, have you seen VIVA LAS VEGAS? You make me sick. Don't make me sick. You wouldn't like me when I'm sick.

ROBERT:One has an obligation to the one who brought him into the world. Especially the one who gave birth to him.

THOTH AMON (zapping Robert with a mystic bolt):Is that why you stayed at home with Mama instead of marrying Novalyne Price? I mean, you killed yourself because you mother was dying and you died before her. No one has that kind of obligation. I shall conjure Prozac...

To WavingFlagsInSpace, and everyone else about BND
by dr_john_zoidberg
Jan 9th, 2008
05:43:19 PM
Mephisto as a Skrull crossed my mind this afternoon when I was thumbing through the first issue of Brand New Day. No matter how you dice it up, I fucking hate it. I even bought today's issue thinking it would cliff-hang me to a point where I would go "Ohhh, THAT'S how they're going to fix this shit!!" But no, nothing like that. Peter Makes out with some girl who wants to be in Harry Osbourne's social circle, he flirts with some nerdy forensic student, goes to a soup kitchen where Aunt May volunteers, then *SPOILER******* yells at JJ Jameson so hard that JJJ has a heart attack. I'm seriously over this fucking comic. While I stuck by them ALL of last year, watching Aunt May die slowly over the course of a couple of weeks(taking a fucking year in the comics continuity). Then what? This old bag is STILL alive? Now the cop out is that Spiderman "unmasked" during Cival War, but no one remembers who was underneath the mask?? SERIOUSLY? There were news crews and photographers and interviers there and NONE of them are resourceful enough to look back at the snap shots or videos they took? Bullshit. This had better be some well articulated plan to dive into the Skrull storyline, because Spidey has become stinky, and I'm not sure there's much that can be done at this point to redeem a goddamn thing. Then HULK #1 came out today, and that fucker was like 6 pages long. Completely disinteresting story, and we don't even see Bruce Banner until the last panel. Fuck all, Marvel has put their wiener in my mouth 3 times over the last WEEK, and the taste of penis is getting fucking stale. The powers that be need to man up, drop this bullshit Spiderman storyline, and go back to the dark places that Spiderman was heading. Anyone remember when he(in full symbiote suit) broke into prison and told Kingpin when Aunt May died, he was coming back to slowly fill his lungs with web until he fucking died? Where was that? I wanted THAT issue badly. Now that old bitch is volunteering double shifts at a homeless shelter, and Peter's more of a whiney pussy than ever. God damn you Joe Quesada, you just ass raped Marvel's biggest property, up against a wall, with a 50 foot dick, then walked away from it laughing.
Plot Hole?
by drewlicious
Jan 9th, 2008
06:05:05 PM
Doesn't Xavier have a student who is a healer? And doesn't Spidey know the X-Men? So couldn't he have saved himself a lot of begging if he just called the X-Mansion?
ATTN: JOEY QUESADILLA!
by Shigeru
Jan 9th, 2008
06:05:48 PM
LOOK AT THIS FUCKING TALKBACK! Universal disdain for what you hath wrought! I know you think the internet is a couple dozen shut-in fucktards with keyboards, but in reality we're your effing paycheck, chuckles. Who honestly would look you in the eye and say: "Great idea, let's do it!" to this terrible Spidey story? No one. But I forgot, you're editor in chief, you don't need anyone's approval. >_>
drewlicious
by Jinxo
Jan 9th, 2008
06:18:02 PM
No plot hole. They went out of their way to include a lot point where Peter literally talked to everyone in the Marvel Universe who could possibly help Aunt May and they ALL said, no way, nothing can be done. I believe Reed Richard's exact quote was, "The old bat's crapping out. Dig a hole and get ready to throw her in." Shocking really. Seriously, they went way overboard to say no one could help her.
SPIDER-MAN & HIS OEDPIAL COMPLEX FRIENDS!
by LaserPants
Jan 9th, 2008
06:26:18 PM
Haha! Buzz, that was sheer genius. I'm crying laughing over here! Especially the Elvis bit and the Ann Margaret reference. Beautiful! If only we lived in a world where you could write, draw, and publish that comic and not get sued into oblivion.
Awful, just awful...
by Mr. Bundini
Jan 9th, 2008
07:01:05 PM
Yes, I'm talking about ASM 545. Please send a message to Marvel, folks - DON'T BUY ANY MORE SPIDER-BOOKS! (I was done after the Gwen-Goblin babies...but wandered back with the Unmasking, which I thought was actually kind of interesting...but now I'm gone again.) By the way, I've always disliked Aunt May. One of the most boring characters in the Marvel Universe. And she died once already! Why'd they have to bring her back?? But yes, I hate the retcon too. HURT MARVEL'S SALES and you'll see a correction down the line...
OMD=One Massive Debacle!
by DuncanDisorderly
Jan 9th, 2008
07:05:14 PM
Firstly, I'd like to thank Buzz for his compliments regarding a previous post I wrote regarding ASM#545. Much appreciated, Buzz! Secondly, I'd just like to clarify that I don't have a problem with the ret-con, I just have a problem with the characterisation. Neither Peter nor MaryJane Parker would ever make a Deal With The Devil (TM), it's equitable with Batman carrying guns! Holy Firearms, let's hope Joe Quesada doesn't end up as E-I-C at DC...
Actually, Burgundy, That's My Point.
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 9th, 2008
07:54:49 PM
The main reason we don't get decent new characters is that all ...ahem...cough...CREE-A-TORS hold back their best ideas because they just know they're creating the next Spider-Man.

They're not creating the next Spider-Man.

So we're not getting the best stuff, which means that Marvel and DC don't get many new characters.

Vicious cycle.

I say, new characters don't have to be cultural icons. What's wrong with creating good comic characters? They have a run, maybe the book's cancelled, maybe it's relaunched, maybe the character ends up on team or as guest star, etc.

BKV's The Hood was a great character in a vastly underrated mini, and I understand he's now being used as a semi-major villain.

Hood is a good example. We're never going to see Hood Happy Meals. We're never going to line up for a Hood movie. But Marvel has an excellent character, for which the creator Mr. Vaughn and the artist (because Ditko was right: a comic book character is not created until he or she or it is drawn)should have received huge payments for the eternal rights.

Joe Q < JMS < Marvel
by Mockingbuddha
Jan 9th, 2008
08:07:32 PM
I love B5, and I really enjoyed Rising Stars and Supreme Power. BUT Although I never really followed JMS's run of SpiderMan, (because Ultimate Spidey is THE BEST Spiderman now) I did read two or three of his issues that a friend had at work, and they were HORRIBLE!!! Number one, The Black 9-11 issue. Sentimental tripe. I understand the need to mourn in your writing, but showing Dr. Doom helping the clean up was so stupid I can't stand it! Doom loves breaking buildings and launching them into space! Plus hess the head of a TERRORIST state! Why not invite him to help the clean up? Next, the new red and gold Spidey armor issue. The issue was clumsy and obviously meant to show Spidey using all the suits powers in ten pages or so. I mean COME ON! Spidey gets a bullet proof suit and gets SHOT two or three pages later?!? By a common street thug? And regarding the rest that I didn't read, I heard that he turned Spidey into some weird SpiderGod, turned Gwen into a whore for Spidey's arch enemy, and gave Pete organic webs. Why on Earth would I even want to read this junk. Also, big mistake killing the continuity. The only thing the regular U Spidey had going for it was the continuity since Ultimate Spidey is SO much better and, oh yeah, IT HAS A YOUNG UNMARRIED SPIDEY! Joe Q is an idiot.
Just shoot off another series oh wait....
by Dazzler69
Jan 9th, 2008
08:24:52 PM
They should just put retro Spider-man in another comic and wait a min....Ultimate Spider-man is around. WTF are they thinking with this backward crap. Spider-man needs to evolve. I thought the baby killing was bad a few years back and we got a new Spider-girl series out of it but come on. I like Spider-man confronting JJJ. I like Spider-man in the Avengers. This might be it for me and Spider-man comics.
as much dislike/outrage/hate...
by blackthought
Jan 9th, 2008
10:04:58 PM
that joey q has wrought with his editorial edict on spidey it won't really matter unless the fine ppl don't buy future spidey issues. as long as sales are good, joey q will use that as justification for his retardation...is that the name of his memoir? Joe Quesade: Justifying My Retardation...Marvel Style.
Glad I got out early
by Gorrister
Jan 9th, 2008
10:05:35 PM
I thought Spidermman was all fucked up after the infamous 'Scarlet Spider' storyline. That was when I bailed out on Spiderman and, soon after, comics altogether. The only good thing I will say about this storyline (granted, I haven't read it, just the reviews) is that it undoes both the Scarlet Spider and Peter's 'coming out of the closet' as Spiderman.
After almost 23 years...
by Speedstream
Jan 9th, 2008
10:20:06 PM
I am done w/ Spider-Man. I mean yes - some of the last few years have been questionable. Killing Ben Reilly a few years back - uncool. Period. I wasn't thrilled about the Totem story...but I read on proudly. Making Gwen Stacey some what of an easy, whore-ish, shallow girl - INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING...but I continued to trust and read that this was going to go places...and the unmasking...well...interesting ...and I could swallow that - it made for great drama...BUT THIS. This is an abortion. This is absolute horse xxxx. I hope every single person involved is this feces fest is fired for the disgraceful, misrepresentation of one the best comic book characters every created.
Thank you marv42134213
by Speedstream
Jan 9th, 2008
10:22:58 PM
I feel your pain - considerably.
responce to lonecow and others...
by Speedstream
Jan 9th, 2008
10:28:51 PM
You're right...it may not last long...but this should have never happened in the first place. It's a complete misrepresentation on of who this character is. Have you even seen the first page of Brand New Day...? Sickening! It would have been AT LEAST tolerable if it had been Gwen Stacy and they would have done away w/ the whole "blow Peter in the bathroom to get to Harry" story. Just make it Gwen and go from there. That MIGHT, MAYBE, have been tolerable. And that's about the only tolerable story line I can think of outside of NOT CHANGING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
you're right blackthought
by Speedstream
Jan 9th, 2008
10:30:27 PM
And as stated above - I'm definitely out. Hope for others to follow......
Send a message
by ThomasFlynn
Jan 9th, 2008
10:47:14 PM
Send your copy of ASM #545 to Marvel Headquarters with a note that says "One More Day = My Last Issue." And then, yes, stop buying any Spiderman titles. If that doesn't tell JQ how dissatisfied you are with his 'mandate' nothing will.
It will take awhile for Joe Q to believe this was a mistake
by Jinxo
Jan 9th, 2008
10:54:10 PM
The thing is, the public reaction? He's said he totally expected it. Read an article saying the opening shot of BND was there to intentionally slap the audience and shock them. So right now the upset is "part of the plan". Hey,it's generating attention. I think the only way this will be seen as a mistake is if sales go down and stay down. Even then the belief will be that they just need to give the publuc time to forget and then, once they do and then they get a good solid story, things will go back to normal. He might not be wrong. But, man, I hope he is. Because I am done. Seriously done. I'm so done that even though I love Ultimate Spider-Man I'm tempted to just bail on that too as an across the board cutting of Spidey from my pull. Because when I see Spider-Man in any form right now I kinda wanna throw up in my mouth a little.

And you know they did things this way to make undoing this change almost impossible, so that it will have to stay in place. A double retcon would be way bad.
True Jinxo...but
by ThomasFlynn
Jan 9th, 2008
10:59:14 PM
I think if a few months from now (unlikely as this sounds) Quesada came out and said "you know what, this was a mistake. I admit it. It was wrong and now we're going to fix it" fans would be somewhat acceptant of an additional retcon to fix the problem. Sure there'd be some griping, but overall an admission of guilt and an attempt to fix the error would be a step in appeasing the fans. this is of course not going to happen -- unless everyone who says "Im done, I'm not buying this book anymore" sticks to their guns. If everyone sees a ton of spiderman books collecting dust in their comic shops, we'll know they did.
spider-man can undo the retcon
by Jubba
Jan 9th, 2008
11:08:12 PM
if aunt may feels like she shouldn't be alive and somehow finds out what the deal was that peter made, she could talk to him and they could somehow undo the deal with mephisto...some kind of loophole or alternate deal...harry's soul maybe? anyway here's hoping they undo it by showing that it was a bad call and make it a lesson learned
i want a hug...
by blackthought
Jan 9th, 2008
11:19:23 PM
mary jane is free right?
the back door
by waggy
Jan 10th, 2008
12:12:14 AM
come on guys, it's been pointed out several places that mj's whisper to mephisto is their way out of this mess if the new direction doesn't take.
Retconning the retcon
by Jinxo
Jan 10th, 2008
12:21:50 AM
I do think it could be undone but if they handle it badly it could make things worse. They didn't exactly handle this one well so...

I do think there would be a good story in the fix. I was thinking of that Aunt May angle too. I could see a House Of M situation with people somehow figuring out something was wrong. Maybe things have to be changed back to prevent something bad. So Peter has to switch it back knowing May will die. And then Aunt May can be noble saying if she is supposed to die, so be it. She could even have the chance to forgive Peter for causing her death. Then throw in Harry O. If this goes through, he's dead again. So you have him fighting to stop it. So Peter has to sacrifice his Aunt, has to fight his best friend and cause him to die. And if he fixes things... will things even go back to normal with MJ or have their actions in BND pushed them too far apart? Lots to work with. But I think fans would have to really really raise a stink and boycot Spidey for ti to happen. And even then I don't know. I think Joe Q is just to sure that in the long run he's right to give in.
ian216a - that was f-ing hilarious!
by -=Shin=-
Jan 10th, 2008
12:24:33 AM
I agree with everything you said, but your comment about Jack Kirby has been the only thing I've enjoyed about OMD of BND. Cheers mate! "...or he (Joe-phisto Quesada) has been possessed by the revenge seeking spirit of Jack Kirby. Hoping for the latter as that would be cool."
My problem with all the retconning...
by -=Shin=-
Jan 10th, 2008
12:38:22 AM
Is that all this effort to get a bachelor Spidey never pays off. Mary Jane's died in a plane crash, they've been seperated, Pete was replaced by a clone, etc. Never mind how many times Aunt May has died and turned out to only be hidden in away while in a coma by Norman Osborn or something... I don't think fans would have minded a mind-wipe of sorts renewing Pete's secret I.D. No one really complained when this was done with Wally West - and more importantly, DC characters recognized they had something wiped from their minds - everyone who knew him intimately knew something was 'off.' As most other folks have pointed out, most of the Spidey readers out there aren't young kids. We're an aging demographic and having our characters age with us a bit is probably a rational concept. Seeing Pete live at home with his Aunt May while in his mid 20s made me think he was a douche. My first thought was he should get a job and some self respect instead of mooching off his poor aunt. Wasn't my Peter Parker the guy who was busting his ass so he wouldn't have to mooch off his aunt? For shame, Joe.
Spider-man has been raped
by Rufferto
Jan 10th, 2008
12:44:36 AM
with sloppy retconning ever since Aunt May's original death was erased "revealing" it was actually an "actor" who died. I wonder how Peter explained that to the people at her funeral? Not that any of May's friends would of noticed because the old ghoul outlived them all. I heard even the Lizard was retconned at one point into actually knowing he was Curt Conners and I guess just pretending to be Spidey's friend all a long, which was then forgotten and sweeped under the carpet. That's the most popular retconn device. Ignore it. Editors don't care about continuity anymore, anyway. I have to say though this is the absolute worse period for these books there's ever been. There something asinine happening to the poor character every month. If he were a real person he'd be completely insane by now, not knowing who that he loves is dead and who's a robot or a clone or a skrull.
Also I think Quesada did this
by Rufferto
Jan 10th, 2008
12:50:09 AM
because his marriage sucks. Maybe it's his own personal empowerment fantasy. He's always wanted to make a deal with the devil to be single again. Lol isn't even Mr fantastic and Invisible woman on the rocks?
Now that i reread my post
by Rufferto
Jan 10th, 2008
12:54:41 AM
It sounds pretty sick. Hahaha
You Idiots about JMS' Run. Read again
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
01:23:51 AM
I said apart from the totem stuff and Gwen's children(which was changed by editorial) JMS' run is one of the greatest. You guys are so fucking negative, thet one small thing can make you forget about the more positive side which was fucking amazing.
So the last major shakeup in mainstream comics
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
01:34:34 AM
I mean apart from the great reinventions etc(reinvention of Hal Jordan, Brubaker's Captain America and Iron Fist) the one that actually brought change and stayed that way seems to be the introduction of Kyle Rayner. Fuck. That was more than a decade ago.
Mockingbuddha you fucking idiot
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
01:36:10 AM
you judge JMS' run out of 3 issues. he was on the book for eight years you stupid dumb fuck. talk about fucking stupid.
i hate the scrunchy images in this column
by troutpencil
Jan 10th, 2008
01:39:04 AM
All the graphics and pictures of covers are ugly and it's terrible to look at. It's designed like a 1994 geocities page. This is aintitcoolnews and that's to be expected somewhat, but fuck I don't like those little comic cover images, god.
bacci40
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
01:46:49 AM
the best writer are under 50. Ed Brubaker, Geoff Johns, Garth Ennis and Brian K. Vaughn. I can see other stuff, I mean sometimes reading Waid's stuff sometimes you can tell an old guy wrote it even though I love his stories and with Loeb it's pretty obvious.
Rufferto - On Sue and Reed...
by -=Shin=-
Jan 10th, 2008
02:01:14 AM
I've read in at least one interview with Millar that Sue's 'persuasion' of Namor during Civil War involved her sleeping with the Atlantean king. WTH... I dropped all of my Marvel books today besides Spider-Man Family, USM and Captain America. I meant to add Spider-Girl as a happy f-you to JQ, as recommended by Rich Johnston of the 'Lying In The Gutters' column on CBR and other websites.
Damn! I just paid $4.99 for a comic book.
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
06:22:26 AM
Let's go digital and get rid of paper on a mass scale.
I intend to stop buying comics soon.
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
06:44:28 AM
I might buy the occasial trade, but the books are over priced. The industry is run by fans, not busness people. Bottom line, the business is dying a slow death. I would love to rediscover the characters in a digital format like i-tunes. I would pay 25-50 cents for a digial comic book. The days of buying (and collecting) paper books are over.
Marvel Comics
by Ive Gone Plaid
Jan 10th, 2008
07:20:19 AM
I have been on and off reader of marvel comics for the last goddamn 22 years. As I have gotten older I may have thought a storyline or two was stupid or juvenile, but I respected the people that put the work into a book. With OMD, I finally feel that Marvel comics doesn't respect me. I was never a big JMS fan, I longed for the days of Roger Stern. But I can't really get interested ASM ever again with in such an obvious regression of Peter Parker on top of him acting so out of character leading up to OMD. Good job Marvel, you alienated your younger fans, now you alienated your older fans. Whose left? Whose going to pay $4 for a goddamn comic book that they don't give a fuck about? Music is 99 cents for godsake!
-=Shin=-
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
07:52:05 AM
That means you haven't been reading Ennis' Punisher which is the comic of the decade or Immortal Iron Fist? What the fuck man. joe Q screwed up big time with spidey but Marvel still brings the goods.
Ive Gone Plaid
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
07:55:18 AM
22 years and you don't notice Marvel apart from this atrocity completely changed the face of comics with Joe Q and brough out some amazing shit. Ennis' Punisher, Vaughn's Ultimate X-men, Brubaker's Captain America, Bendis' magical run of Daredevil, Brubaker's Iron Fist. Seems like you were a selective on and off reader.
teethgnasher
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
07:58:19 AM
not really. digital comics are annoying to read. alot of people who use digital comics start buying them now. comics aren't dead, trade paperbacks have given them a resurgence.
I like Buzz's idea of paying fans a pittance to create character
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 10th, 2008
08:07:01 AM
Why not? Fanboys'll do work-for-hire just for the satisfaction of having done it. It's my solution to the writer's strike, too. Hire fanfic guys to write Lost or Heroes or whatever. So they'll never work in Hollywood again when the strike is over - they'll be so overjoyed at having written for their favorite shows for a short span of time that they won't care!
Green Lantern
by Bluejack
Jan 10th, 2008
09:17:33 AM
On a happy comics note, I just read "Rebirth" and "No Fear" and I enjoyed them a great deal. thanks for folk who recommended them. One trend I see here on this talk back is the dissatisfaction with their books lately. I've had similar thoughts until I just gave up my charcter loyalty. I read books that have good writers no matter which charcter is in the book. Some day Spider-Man may be good again. I'm just not going to buy books on a certain character because I have a run. Marvel isn't loyal to their customers so you need not be loyal to them.
Squashua....
by Psynapse
Jan 10th, 2008
09:57:28 AM
I be in Tampa Bay, Dunedin specifically (I was born in Tampa, LOL). Where you at?
Fat Ninja
by ArcadianDS
Jan 10th, 2008
10:03:56 AM
anybody else know how this ended? I remember that he had to unplug a giant fridge in space, but I stopped buying the comic after that.
Viewing a book on a PC Tablet
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
10:04:14 AM
Is that viable? Could a book be read on a tablet PC? Is it being done? Very curious. In my perfect world, I would download my comics on Wednesday nights with something similar to an i-tunes format. Kick back and view them later on the weekend or whenever. The physical books, in my opinion, are expensive. This industry needs new readers. $5.00 comic books ain't the answer. Few parents pay that amount. For the entertainment value, parents will purchase a $50.00 video game at Wal-Mart for their kids.
If you liked JMS's Spidey run you hate the character
by IndustryKiller!
Jan 10th, 2008
10:11:14 AM
That's as simple and as easy as it gets. JMS's run on SPider Man has been a complete and utter disaster and no fan of comics worth their salt could argue otherwise. It's pretty obvious that Messi simply lacks the ability to judge who these character are at their core, he does the same thing routinely with Batman. JMS has been on Spider-Man for eight fucking years and has not written a single memorable storyline nor has he created a single memorable villain. 8 years on a title and you can't come up with a single villain that anyone else will remember or any other writer will want to use? That seems to be a bigger problem with Marvel in general these days. Not only has he not written a single good spider man story, he has written some of the worst in the history of the character. The Unmasking, The Other,Gwen Stacy's children, and One More Day are so ungodly terrible that I'm sure that there are many people out there who have sworn off Spider-Man forever. It was so awful even the writers themselves had to erase it from the characters history. Doomsdaying and cynicism aside, Marvels current editorial staff has probably displayed less understanding and done more blatant and unjustified twisting of the universe than any other in Marvels history. The only defense anyone has for the horseshit going on in every single major title is that it's been too long since we had change in these characters. The slippery slope this line of thinking puts us on is evident in the fact that every single heavyhitter hack writer in Marvel (Bendis, Millar, JMS) desperately tries to warp the character in a narcissistic attempt to leave their personal mark on the character. Therefore leaving it up to more talented writers to clean up the absurd messes these assholes leave. And before you jump on me screaming that I'm some purist who is impossible to please, let me tell you I am not even moderately opposed to change. You wanna make Iron Man a bad guy, kill Captain America, break up Peter and MJ? Fine, I'm all for it, just do it in a way that is organic instead of characters waking up one morning and randomly making decisions that is totally and utterly contrary to who they are.
Fat Ninja - and South Florida
by Squashua
Jan 10th, 2008
10:11:20 AM
I'm selling a couple issues of Fat Ninja on eBay this Saturday.

And Psy, I'm down in the Fort of Lauderdale.
and i was...
by blackthought
Jan 10th, 2008
10:20:38 AM
just in fort lauderdale. hmm...
for comics to survive
by Bloo
Jan 10th, 2008
11:26:54 AM
I live in a itty bitty little town in Kansas. If I watn to buy comics I have to drive at least 100 miles. I know I've talked about htis before on the @ssholes page, but I miss being able to walk into my local grocery store or Wal-Mart and pick up a couple of comics. I'm not tlaking about obscure indy comics, I'm not even talk say LXG:Black Dossier. But if I watnt o read Spider-Man or Superman or Batman or Green Latern or Hulk or Captain America, I can't, I have to plan and make a special trip and with gas rices I can't afford to do that every week. They need to look beyond the 1990's and look into the now. buying an on-line comic to view on my laptop or on a tablet or something wouldn't be ideal but man at least I'd be buying them and not waiting for TPBs. Look at HERO's for example, I read the online comic and when the TPB came out, you know what I bought it because I wanted something tangeable.
Read this weeks Entertainment Weekly
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
11:33:32 AM
Great article about growing up on comicbooks. It's a great read.
Did I say great enough?
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
11:35:02 AM
nuff said.
Messi
by Ive Gone Plaid
Jan 10th, 2008
12:06:10 PM
I agree that anything Slott or Brubaker has done is great. The ultimate lines are also entertaining. But the lack of respect for the fan in the Marvel continuity as a whole is troubling. The civil war storyline was a good plot with unforgivable characterizations and I can't read Spiderman now without thinking about the old character of Peter Parker. WHO NO LONGER EXISTS! And digital comics are great to read other than I have to be in front of my laptop.
McFarlane made the Spidey-marriage great
by Tacom
Jan 10th, 2008
12:06:54 PM
Seriously, the way McFarlane drew Mary-Jane in the late 80s made being married seem awesome! I didn't care if I didn't relate to Peter as much as before. For the first time I actually envied him for having a hot wife!
Did Millar Really Say...
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
12:09:19 PM
...that Sue Richards got Namor on her side in CIVIL WAR by sleeping with him?

Here's my problem with that: Namor isn't some virgin-or-tragically-undersexe d comic book geek/writer. I don't think the Prince of Atlantis with the Olympic swimmer's bod and the 'tude that chicks like probably has any trouble getting sex. This isn't some loser kid that a hot but psychotic high school teacher can seduce into killing her husband.

That's just dumb, and things like that are starting to show Millar aging as a writer. Aging but not maturing. It's supposed to be edgy but it's adolescent edgy. Adolescent edgy is cool for adolescents, but adults should know the difference.

I mean, if I'm in the ninth grade and the Nicole Kidman character says she'll do things to me and let me do things to her if I whack the Matt Dillon character, I'd have said, "Okay, let me get my smokes." Now, it's like:"You know, I've had lots of sex before and I'll have lots of sex again, so I'm going to say not so nice to know ya!"

Namor would probably say something like:"Susan, I have admired your charms in the past but it will take more to convince a Prince of the Blood to committ his Armies and endanger his people."

ANYONE who continues to by Spider-man Books
by Psynapse
Jan 10th, 2008
12:27:33 PM
Is a fucking SYCOPHANT, plain and simple. Suck it bitches, you KNOW I'm right on this.
Joey Q raped my Middle-Age-Hood!!!
by Borgnine JR
Jan 10th, 2008
12:28:56 PM
C'mon they coulda done a fun Spidey with kids. Couldn't you see a frazzled Daddy Parker whipping up some Web diapers? A decent writer who knows anything at all about raising kids could have made Papa Parker a lot of fun. And things like the death of a loved one, while extremely painful, can be forces for postive growth, which would be nice in a comic character. At least Aunt May would have finally been in Heaven with Uncle Ben making him wheatcakes.( How many times has she been dragged away from THAT chapter in her life?) UNcle Ben's probably got the ragingest ghost-boner in Heaven:(
McFarlane Drew A Beautiful MJ...
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
12:30:20 PM
...Somebody doing something different like he did, or JMS did, can make an old comic exciting. But...

...as much as I dislike retconning, I would have probably retconned out the super-model angle for MJ. For me, that was where Spidey as a character junked Jaws. It passed from the enduring concept of regular guy with problems and powers to late '80s wish fulfillment.

Now, Iron Man should have had supermodels all over Stark International...

Web Diapers Would Be A Great Scene!
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
12:36:09 PM
Marvel could do that, and pay somebody to create a younger hero with problems. At this point, Kirkman would probably say,"Well, guys, since I already own Invincible, why should I do one for you?" But the next Kirkman would say,"Cool! I get paid a huge sum for making up a comic character like Invincible or '70s Nova or early Spidey? And it's going to be in a comic and since I'm not a one trick pony I can go off and make up one that I own myself later!"
Borgnine Jr.
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
12:40:15 PM
Uncle Ben Ghost Boner is Great!
Mary Jane = hot MILF
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
12:44:18 PM
Adults would like it, but the little kids wouldn't be aware. It would go over there heads, unlike Sue Storm whoring over Namor.
Sue Storm= Cheater
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
12:45:30 PM
Once a cheater, always a cheater.
Didn't Namor always have a crush on Sue?
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 10th, 2008
01:25:45 PM
Yeah, he could get all the blue-skinned underwater-chick tail he can handle, but what he really wants is Sue Storm.
Right on MJ, Buzz.
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 10th, 2008
01:28:20 PM
The problem wasn't that Peter was married. It's not even that he married a good looking chick. That happens to nerds sometimes. I'm living proof. The problem is that he married a good looking, succesful supermodel. I doubt a single person that can relate to that scenario has ever read a comic book in their lives. With the possible exception of the guy who played Peter Brady.
C'mon guys...
by stones_throw
Jan 10th, 2008
01:35:53 PM
Are you REALLY saying you would want to read about a Spider-Man with kids, or a mortgage, or a steady job? What about after that? Mid-life crisis Spider-Man? OAP Spidey? GRAVEYARD ADVENTURES SPIDER-MAN? If the model for the iconic Spidey is an adolescent/young man struggling to cope with new responsibilities and commitments, what would be the analogue for a Spider-Man who puts his life on the line fighting the Rhino instead of looking after his wife and kids? Neglectful father?

I'm not denying there's appeal in seeing your favorite characters grow and evolve, and I could probably handle a Peter and MJ who were presented as a struggling young couple in the city, which is how it should be. But that's about as far as I think it could and should go. Joe Quesada just talks in soundbites anyway (remember when the unmasking was being hyped as the biggest event in Spidey's history a year and a half ago?) but I happen to agree with some of what he's said recently. Spider-Man's a fictional character. There's only so far you can go before you lose what made him work in the first place. Personally, I think the character is fundamentally changed by having *anyone* to confide in, let alone a wife and kids. Not enough kids are reading comics? Well, having your best-known character who every kid in the world is crazy about bear no resemblance to his most popular versions (because that's all this is, another version -- all your copies of THE CLONE SAGA and THE OTHER are still there to be enjoyed) doesn't sound like a great way to fix that. I'm not really talking about Marvel's current actions - they seem pretty shitty, and making readers spend $9 a month is a sure way to ensure no kids at all pick up your books - but Spider-Man IS a young character, just like Batman lives alone in a scary manor and the FF are a family. Would a married guy with a family still feel that guilty and responsible and motivated to help complete strangers? New characters should be a priority, but I don't see why we should have to lose a great old character along with that.

Right, Rev. I Think Most of Us...
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
01:42:38 PM
...end up with women more attractive than ourselves (Cogs notwithstanding, just ask 'em). That's actually something most fans can relate to at some point. But the supermodel didn't jive with anything else in the book. How can Pete have economic problems or problems getting health care for Aunt May when MJ gets that check from SPORTS ILLUSTRATED? A catalogue model would have been more realistic, or just the hot chick behind the perfume counter at Macy's. Pete and MJ should have been like a sober, less crude Seth Rogen with a more fun Katherine Heigl from KNOCKED UP.
Also, a thinner Seth Rogen
by rev_skarekroe
Jan 10th, 2008
01:59:18 PM
Fat Spidey would be relatable to comic geeks for the wrong reasons.
@$$holes, when you have the Q&A with Joephisto…
by The Heathen
Jan 10th, 2008
02:10:00 PM
Ask him how he thinks that arguably the most popular and kid approachable (not to mention biggest Marvel movie series) character in the Marvel universe is being responsible and making a good decision by MAKING A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL?!?!?!?! And how having Wolverine, a character who has always been a rogue character who is a killer, being a smoker is reproachable?!?!?!? Making a deal with the Devil? Pffft, no problem kids! Smoking? Now that's bad. That's were the Da Q draws the line. Get the fuck out of here. Clown shoes. I must say though, the unified hate for OMD is nice and this column is the second most discussed article currently. That hasn't happened since the days of Cog prominence I think.
stones_throw
by The Heathen
Jan 10th, 2008
02:20:05 PM
Maybe not exactly that, but yeah, I'd like to see a character who has been around over 40 years grow. Now he still lives with his Aunt, can't hold down a full time job, isn't married, etc. Peter Parker doesn't just have it bad - he's an official loser. With great power comes great responsibility like getting your own house and maintaining a job. The best example I can give currently with charcters growing and still being good is first Batman. He has a kid, his ward has grown up and become Nightwing while his new Robin is now his adopted son. His a part of the Justice League and he's made some mistakes with things like Brother Eye. It's a deep history that all is as much of Batman as him living in a mansion alone and having a bat grapple and bat signal. Second, Brubaker on Captain America has moved forward the legacy and series of Captain America. It's so good that I hope Steve Rogers doesn't come back. He was able to have Bucky return in a non magic mutant wall punch cheese way and build that character up until you WANTED him to be Cap. The worst thing that could happen to that book is if Steve Rogers returned and that's saying a few things: Brubaker is great, and characters and stories can progress even if it is in the slowed down hyper time of the comic book universe. That's my opinion on that at least.
OMD goodies
by stones_throw
Jan 10th, 2008
02:27:27 PM
Watchmen meets One More Day. Probably the best part of this whole mess.

http://tinyurl.com/3a7pca

And JMS on his falling out with Joey Q here: http://tinyurl.com/24tq8o . Pretty interesting stuff.

The intent was good, the execution was crap
by Jinxo
Jan 10th, 2008
03:01:57 PM
The real bad thing with the retcon is it is hateable on multiple levels. So everyone can hate it for their own reason. Pitching years of continuity haters to the left, all of you who hate the deal with the devil, those who think erasing the marriage is crap please go wait in the hall and those annoyed that Harry has been undeaded head to Conference Room C. Oh, forgot you folks who think crazy mysticism has no place in a major Spidey moment... wow, we're gonna need a bigger room.

The idea of getting Spidey back to his roots isn't horrible. I get the thinking. But it was done so badly on so many levels and I don't think fully did what it was supposed to. As people point out, single older Peter at home with his Aunt is sad. To fully reboot you'd need to find a way to also return Spidey to being a teen. Because more than the other crap that really was what defined Spider-Man at the start. Much of the rest - loner, living at home, no money, fearful of trusting in others - are actually just outgrowths of being a teen.

So here's a question. For the sake of argument, assume returning Spidey to his roots was needed. Anybody got a better scenario. I have to think even the worst idea anyone here could conjur up would be better than what we got in OMD.
Starting the ball rolling...
by Jinxo
Jan 10th, 2008
03:10:03 PM
This is all vague and general but... Pete and hsi friends gather for a high school reunion, mad scientist, time travel scheme goes wrong, the end result being the deaging of the original central players (including Aunt May). Maybe they still have their memories but lose their emotional maturity. Definitely raging hormones to screw things up. I dunno. But being 15 or 16 MJ and Pete couldn't really stay married.

Okay that is not the best idea in the world. Off the top of my head and all that crap. But crap as it is, dea-ging via science and maintaining what went before still seems better than crazy magical deal-with-the-devil rewrites.
"It's magic, we don't have to explain it."
by The Heathen
Jan 10th, 2008
03:32:59 PM
"Well, actually, yes, you do. Magic has to have rules."

Bravo to JMS.
My take on a Spidey retcon?
by The Heathen
Jan 10th, 2008
03:44:42 PM
I think it would need to be a Marvel version of a DC Crisis. More than just Spidey, but the entire 616 universe. It'd also be good of Marvel to say in the way DC said, "Uhh, hey, things are pretty jumbled up and complicated and there's like three versions of each character. So we're going to try and fix our mistakes and make it somewhat more easy to follow." Now DC just has to come up with an excuse for why Countdown is so crappy and get their direction back that they lost this past year (despite the awesome Sinestro Corps).

If you want to get Spidey back to the definitive Spidey then you'd have to do it everywhere. For the Avengers, the X-Men and so forth. Wasn't the Ultimate Universe supposed to be a form of that though? You have the easier to follow definitive version in the Ultimate U and the convoluted continuity in the 616?

The thing is, it's pointless to talk about because anyone could easily think of something better, but the chances of it happening are next to nil. It's like Buzz's great posts on how the prequels could have done this or that and it sounds great, but then it's super depressing because that chance has come and gone and the changes we wanted to happen are only in our minds as fan fic, and I don't care much for fan fic no matter how good it is.
On MJ As Girl-Next-Door Hot vs. Supermodel Hot
by LaserPants
Jan 10th, 2008
03:55:50 PM
Just a side note, but thats why I thought the casting of Kirsten Dunst as MJ was so perfect -- she's totally girl next door, obtainable hot.

And on this COMPLETELY RETARDED "deal with the devil to save my aging aunt" bullshit, how much better would it have been if MJ was the one who got shot? So Peter would have to sacrifice his marriage in order to save MJ, not his aging aunt who is knocking on deaths door anyway. As stupid as the magic retconning is, I could at least relate to it on an emotional level if Pete sacrificed his marriage in order to save his wife. But sacrificing his marriage to save his aunt? Thats beyond creepy, its corny and ridiculous. And no sane adult with a healthy psychosexual profile could possibly relate to that. I reckon Joey Q and JMS are men with some serious, serious emotional issues to come up with something so simultaneously retarded and creepy. Its also highly unlikely that either of them have ever been in a long-term relationship that didn't involve some form of monetary transaction for services rendered.
So, Spidey loves old Aunt May MORE than MJ???
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Jan 10th, 2008
04:15:30 PM
What an idiot!

Aunt May's older than dirt and has died more times than a porn star's hair. IT'S TIME TO LET HER GO!

The character adds NOTHING to the comic anymore and keeps Peter from ever really growing beyond what he was back in the 60s!

And what does it say about Peter that he'd LITERALLY make a deal with the Devil himself and trade a lifetime with the woman he married and CLAIMS to love in order to cling onto his chronically sick and old "mommy figure?"

Aunt May should've died a long time ago, but instead, we're not only stuck with her, we lose Mary Jane, whose marriage to Spidey actually made him transition to actual adulthood.

What an idiotic and pointless decision. I'm SURE we'll get YEARS of brilliant storytelling out of the continuing lives of Peter and his Auntie May. >:P

IndustryKiller! shut the fuck up
by messi
Jan 10th, 2008
04:21:37 PM
you're a fucking stupid loser who likes nothing and just complains about everything. this is the guy who compared spidey 3 to batman and robin. you stupid dumb fuck. if you liked JMS' run you hate the character, god you are so fucking stupid, everyone says how JMS is the best writer after Stan, that no one wrote Spidey better and his character better than JMS(after Stan). I love your comments. you're the person who gives aicn the reputation as the site filled with cunts.
JMS on spidey
by marv42134213
Jan 10th, 2008
05:23:31 PM
I enjoyed some of his work on AMS, but I don't think he was the best writter after Stan Lee. I thought it had some good moments, but alot of it was just hype that didn't measure up (the other for instance). I also wonder how Stan truly feels about the whole Gwen Stacy saga. Stan is a class act and I imagine he would put some kind of nice spin on it, but I think that storyline was really offensive to the original creators. I wish instead of all this spidey stuff, the powers that be at marvel would have continued having JMS write Squadron Supreme. I thought that was an awsome book and was just getting better, then it just disappeared on a huge cliff-hanger. JMS has done alot of really great work and my hat goes off to him. I just don't think his run on spidey was his best stuff. I give him props for stating that he didn't like the retcon and wanted his name off the book at the end. I think marvel has shown a lot of disrespect to long time readers in the past couple years by having these characters we grew up with all of a sudden do things they would never do. Just re-read Civil War if you need any examples, because there were plenty in there. Don't get me wrong, there are still good marvel books, but I think they are giving their flagship titles the shaft. I just think they screwed the pooch on this one and are going to lose alot of loyal, longtime readers. Which includes me.
Joey "Retard" Quesadilla On Howard Stern
by LaserPants
Jan 10th, 2008
05:24:16 PM
Heres a pretty funny clip of Joey Q trying to explain why he ruined Spider-Man forever. Its pretty clear that most of the crew think its completely retarded as well: http://tinyurl.com/2gtmyt
What did MJ whisper to Mephisto?
by DuncanDisorderly
Jan 10th, 2008
05:28:52 PM
" Joe Quesada fucked me, Peter Parker fucked me, I'm betting third time's the charm...Big Boy...
Stones...
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
05:37:47 PM
I don't want to see Spidey age at a normal rate. That's dumb. He'd be about 63 years old. AARPzing Spider-Man.

They shouldn't have aged him much in the first place. The jump from high school to college seemed alright, but beyond that doesn't work too well. We have to suspend disbelief. "Yeah, I can buy the spider-powers but the guy's not getting any older than he was when I was 11." Well, we're not 11 any more and it's a comic.

That said, they did age him and they needed to shake up the book so they had him get married, as we all know. Okay. Most people do get married in some fashion. Somebody made MJ a super model. Not what I wanted but they could have had her be scarred just enough in an accident or something to do away with that.

Since they did all that, why not go with it? Yeah, Pete can't pay the mortgage and the kid is biting other kids in pre-school but Doc Ock has built secret reactors under the city. Have to defeat him and remember to get Spidey Jr. her vaccinations.

Realistic people with problems as superheroes. Comic readers are older now. The kids may not be coming back to comics.

Meanwhile, no one is creating anything new. They used to call themselves writers, artists and editors and they created things. Now, they use other people's characters and call themselves creators. They wail about creators rights. "I created that chick that Iron Man had sex with. I want my creators rights." No, bubbe, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee created things of value. Your creations probably won't be that valuable, so take the money and run.

I mean, it's not that hard. We need a young hero with problems. Meet PFC Lee Kirby, USMC. He's 20 years old, lost his legs in Iraq and somehow merged with a native spirit. We'll call him the Djinn. When Iraq war vets and Persian Americans start dying, the Djinn goes into action. He realizes that if he helped them, he can't turn anybody down. Marvel can have it for $50,000 grand because I just made it up off the top of my head and can do it all day. I can also do a concept sketch. Probably won't last a year in the shops, but if it does Marvel has a potential icon and $50 grand makes a nice addition to my Cayman Islands account. And I sign a thing saying I'm not going to cry if they make a bad DJINN III movie because I got $50 gs. And we get a young hero with problems and Spidey doesn't get a bad storyline.

$50,000 Grand?
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
05:46:28 PM
I'd like to see that. $50,000 Large or Big, too. Stupid lack of edit feature.
I Looked at ASM #whatever in the shop 2day...
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
05:50:32 PM
...It didn't look like JQ wanted to take Pete back to his roots. Pete didn't have roots like that. Science geek with a few hard won friends, Joe. Harry was a snotty rich kid at first, pals with Bully Flash, as if Reggie Mantle and a mean spirited Moose were tormenting a spider-powered Archie. Harry and Pete only became pals when Spidey hospitalized the Goblin and was checking on him and Harry mistook it as concern and a bid for friendship. And all those chicks...we're back to wish fulfillment. Might as well stick with the supermodel.
Sue and Namor
by Buzz Maverik
Jan 10th, 2008
06:00:39 PM
There was always an attraction between them. Namor was the exchange student out to steal the top student's hot girlfriend. Since I hate retconning, I'll say that Namor was going to do what he was going to do anyway and when he had the opportunity with Sue, he saw it as an added bonus.
About Peter being too nerd for a model
by Rufferto
Jan 10th, 2008
06:39:25 PM
When Stan put MJ and Gwen in the book they were all over Peter. I guess it's wish fulfillment. Buzz is dead on comparing it to an Archie, Veronica Betty thing but I don't think his marriage is that unreasonable. You have to remember what a selfish, shallow party girl MJ was until Gwen died. Peter had a lot to do with changing that. The character had personal problems relating to her abusive father and her parent's failed marriage that made her scared and run away from the responsibility and burden that being married to Spider-man would create for her. I don't remember who was responsible for adding this depth to an almost empty headed character but as I recall Peter proposed to her twice turning him down the first time and the second time she admitted that she knew that he was Spider-man (apparently found out when they were neighbors a time where he did not ever even personally meet her) and a lot of her ditziness was an act so she didn't have to get close to anyone or take anything seriously.
what i liked about jms run
by Rufferto
Jan 10th, 2008
07:10:03 PM
See when shmucks like Mackie (or was it Byrne?) brought Aunt May back she was exactly the same as she always was. It was ridiculous and obvious there was no reason for her to be around and there was no forethought in the decision other then they were afraid to have Peter find baby May instead and to go on with his life as an adult. Peter had outgrown her support and endless coddling when she died and having her around again also brought back his dependency for her. What JMS did was have her learn he was Spider-man and he did bring their relationship to a new level by doing so. If I was as much in control as apparently Quesada seems to be I would be very tempted to give her death back it's meaning that it had in Amazing Spider-man 400 again and make the new one a duplicate or fake somehow then have her die again. The touching story that jms wrote is the only thing that would keep me from that. I'm sure there are ways to get around it though. You just need to put careful thought into it. I'm not a fan of erasing continuity but it could be done respectfully. It's obvious what problems having her around still causes. I respect the way he wrote her. I also enjoyed Spider-man's first battle with Morlun. Or rather I like the unorthodox way he defeated him. That was a pretty suspenseful fight and I actually feared for the character. I compare it to the original appearances of Venom and what a threat he used to be. Any additions or attempt at retconning Spidey's origin however I feel was unnecessary. If there was any? I am not exactly certain. It seemed it was going that way and I haven't read much after that so I'm not sure how that was resolved.
Aunt May = Ma Kent + Pa Kent
by teethgnasher
Jan 10th, 2008
08:20:16 PM
There you go. Aunt May is fucking gold. The reason why Superman Returns exceeded expectations was due to the inclusion of Ma and Pa Kent. It was box office gold and Joe Q knows it.
Sue Cheated on Reed?
by Rufferto
Jan 10th, 2008
08:38:41 PM
That's really scummy and out of character. There are so many cheating whores in the Marvel U now that they warped everything into the anti marriage/relationship