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Big TREK update! Footage seen! Script read! Tidbits galore!

first? by occidere	Jan 5th, 2008 05:29:19 AM
probably not.
cool by occidere	Jan 5th, 2008 05:29:42 AM
I think I can die happy now that I've been "first".
They will do MANY re-shoots after the strike is over by DarthMrBelvedere	Jan 5th, 2008 05:40:24 AM
of course they will. This movie HAS to work and make a lot of dollars or many, many, many, many Paramount employees will lose heir jobs
Kurtzman and Orci by We	Jan 5th, 2008 05:51:41 AM
I'm hoping there'll be a 20-minute totally hilarious skit where the Enterprise and its crew hide in Kirk's backyard!
Sounds more and more like complete ass! by Horace Cox	Jan 5th, 2008 05:57:06 AM
With every tidbot of news this things sounds worse and worse. if the script is that awful (and it sure as hell sounds like it is utter shite) they should just go on hiatus until the strike is over and then hire some real scribes to unfuck the whole project.
Talented director?? by Frye777	Jan 5th, 2008 05:58:39 AM
WHYWHYWHY? I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND? Because of that suckfest MI3??? Plus Kurtzman and Orci have never written any good: Zorro2? MI3? Transformers? Fuckin hacks all of them! BUT KEEP UP AICN! SUCK THEIR COCK!!
So this is basically James Cameron's Terminator time travel deal by NoPIX	Jan 5th, 2008 05:58:57 AM
RIGHT?
Oh bollocks - maybe Enterprise didn't do that much damage... by Charlie & Tex	Jan 5th, 2008 06:01:11 AM
...as at least the spirit of Rodenberry was there (or in the final series). If this movie is a box of shit, then it looks like it rests squarely on the heads of the writers, as JJ Abrams has a real feel for the universe, and you have to feel for the poor bastard not being able to iron out wrinkles in the thing which he's doomed to cop shit for upon release. We all remember how well Nemesis turned out with a writer who didn't know the trek universe at the helm ("...but I watched all of the movies in preparation, and I want this bit, this piece, that bit...") and we can still hope that things can be changed once the deadlock has been broken - reshoots are a proud tradition of the Berman era Trek movies...uh-oh...
Kirk by bubcus	Jan 5th, 2008 06:13:56 AM
Classic/Original Star Trek was all about Kirk, Spock, and McCoy and their interaction. Hopefully they have enough purists onset to keep things en par. I'm crossing my fingers but won't get my hopes up.
The Writer's Strike will help the film... by cameron1975willi	Jan 5th, 2008 06:15:08 AM
I am very happy with all of that news. I am very sorry that they don't seem to have found a cameo for Shatner. I still hope they do, even though it'd be tricky to fit Kirk into a story that doesn't make the aleady choppy timeline seem too ridiculous. Anyway the strike gives the fim makers time to work on the script. A similar thing happened to Spielberg when he found himself working on character development in lieu of the faulty mechanical shark.
Again I Ask... by TheBladehelm	Jan 5th, 2008 06:23:39 AM
Just who in holy fuck are they making this movie for? Most people who aren't into Star Trek aren't going to see any thing with the words Star Trek in the title (or be fooled when they call the show just Enterprise, for that matter)and Star Trek fans don't want and for the most part don't support the notion of a non-Shatner Kirk. I love Star Trek. I have been a Trekkie since before people even thought of the alternative moniker "Trekker" and I have a radical suggestion: Let Star Trek Die. The only thing that will be accomplished by trying to beat this horse any further is the sullying of what has already come.
FREE MR. NICE GAIUS! by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 06:24:46 AM
Apparently, his account got fucked up and AICN is ignoring his pleas for help. We need the Cthulhu dance, dammit! Spread the word.
The BladeHelm you are wrong... by cameron1975willi	Jan 5th, 2008 06:26:33 AM
mark it on the calendar and always remember that you were proved wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt on this day. Now get off your XBOX and go out on a date.
My expectations are now drastically lowered by theycallmemrglass	Jan 5th, 2008 06:55:03 AM
I dont care about the continuity since this is a reboot anyway. But what they are doing to Kirk's character is almost heresy! I'll still watch it (unless I hear terrible reviews) and see how it pans out but I am wary now.
Why Respect JJ? by teamneedle	Jan 5th, 2008 06:59:14 AM
What has he done? He gave up on Alias halfway through. He really ISN't involved with lost, just has his name on it and directed the pilot. MI3 is just alias on the big screen. and now this.... ?????????? He hasn't earned shit yet.
I grew up on Kirk and Spock and Scotty etc on TV by FILMFUNK	Jan 5th, 2008 07:18:10 AM
and you will never replicate the charm and atmosphere of the original even with dodgy flying rubber puke monsters and scary Ass head aliens But none of the movies were any use except Wrath Of Kahn and all the recent Trek stuff I've never watched so i'm looking forward to a big budget StarTrek that can finally do the Universe justice in scale even if it has a cast of OC like teens, so did Starship Troopers and that worked!
Why mst they keep doing this fucking time tavel shit. by testricals	Jan 5th, 2008 07:23:18 AM
Its gotten way boring now.
This movie will suck donkey balls by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 5th, 2008 07:29:17 AM
Trust me
Oh look, Kurtzman and Orci... by photoboy	Jan 5th, 2008 07:35:24 AM
... after birthing that abomination TINO, they have moved on to ruining Star Trek. If that script description is true this film is going to be utter shit. And did I read that right? They're going to make Kirk the captain of the Enterprise right after he graduates from the Academy??? That's bullshit, we all know Kirk worked on several starships before he earned his own command, even though he was the youngest captain in the fleet. I think Star Trek Nemesis is about to get a new companion in the "shittest Trek film ever" department.
Just like EP 1-3 by Dokkalvar	Jan 5th, 2008 07:39:31 AM
This is a story that doesn't need to be told and will do little more then leave the old-guard fans insulted. JJ Abrams, if you wanted to do something neat and inventive for Star Trek you should have gone with a new group of characters with a different story-line. Or better yet, just make something spacey that isn't even Star Trek. This has Epic Fail written all over it.
I support the tribbles on this one by Pipple	Jan 5th, 2008 07:40:15 AM
with my balls
"KLINGON BASTARDS!" by Keith Maniac	Jan 5th, 2008 07:42:08 AM
Yes, but most importantly will Kirk fuck a green bitch ?
No Khan=No ticket for me by Dr Gregory House	Jan 5th, 2008 07:59:25 AM
Unless there be Klingon boobies...
So... Kirk is an ass by Zappary	Jan 5th, 2008 08:20:20 AM
With no natural talent or smarts. Great. And they put him in command of a ship, fresh out of the academy? Not as a junior officer or anything? Oookay then.
Cameron1975 by joeelliott	Jan 5th, 2008 08:22:21 AM
"I am very happy with all of that news. I am very sorry that they don't seem to have found a cameo for Shatner. I still hope they do, even though it'd be tricky to fit Kirk into a story that doesn't make the aleady choppy timeline seem too ridiculous. Anyway the strike gives the fim makers time to work on the script.." Uh... no it doesn't. They aren't supposed to work on shit (written) during the strike.
I don't dig Star Trek by MatDGZ	Jan 5th, 2008 08:23:05 AM
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN 'THE MIST' WILL BE RELEASED IN THE UK!!!!!! PLEEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEE!!!! !!!
Making Kirk a cheating bad boy with street smarts by Yeti	Jan 5th, 2008 08:29:09 AM
Is there way of trying to get the same demographic in the theatre. Oh...joy.
I don't like what I'm reading... by Bald Evil	Jan 5th, 2008 08:36:18 AM
...but I will wait til I see the finished product to swing the hammer of judgment. And damn right the Enterprise was built in spacedock!
Kirk is a Captain right out of the Academy?? by Gorrister	Jan 5th, 2008 08:40:56 AM
Why on Earth is Kirk put in command of Enterprise right out of the Academy? Also, Enterprise was built at the San Fransico Shipyards, wasn't it? (I could be wrong, I'm not the 'geek' I used to be). Is Robert Aprile going to be in this? I've heard Pike is, but why is that? Pike was a young captain, so he probably wasn't in command of Enterprise when Kirk graduated the Academy. (Oh yeah, I forgot, Kirk is put in command straight out of the Academy) lol
Yeah but where's Sly? by jack-torrance	Jan 5th, 2008 08:41:31 AM
Weren't we promised another 20 days Q&A with Sly before the release of RAMBO?
Oh, come ON... all of these rumors are completely FAKE. by Nosferatu Jones	Jan 5th, 2008 08:52:30 AM
And here's why... Source #1 CLAIMS to have read the script and that he hates it... but gives us NO real examples of WHY or ANY OTHER "spoilers" outside of the whole Kirk thing which has already been fed to the Internet masses and could have been slightly embellished by anyone with half a brain. Source #2 CLAIMS to have seen the new Enterprise... but gives us NO real description, other than "it's more detailed." Yeah, right. Even I could have sent THAT one in. And Source #3 makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I have no idea WHAT the hell he's trying to describe. Is he saying Qunito can't do a proper Vulcan salute, so they digitally inserted Nimoy's hand? Maddeningly vague. So, in the end: Bullshit, bullshit and bullshit. Use your brains, people... there's absolutely NOTHING here.
Area 51?!!! by Horned One	Jan 5th, 2008 08:53:17 AM
I can buy that Kirk was a carousing asshole with raw talent. It was always made clear that he is a damaged individual, and in fact I think it's his obsession with women (perhaps trying to fill some emotional void in his life... no pun intended) that makes him the perfect starship captain, since he just transfered his obsession to his ship and his crew. Sure he still "gets to know" strange women, but his first love is always the Enterprise. I can buy all that... but Area 51?! WTF!! I am hoping beyond hope that the name was used in the script as a placeholder for a name they hadn't come up with yet, or that it's shorthand for dock 51 of an orbital shipyard.
I can guarnetee you the first source is a fake by Falcon5768	Jan 5th, 2008 08:54:22 AM
He spelled out to the letter the plot line of Shatners Kirk's Acadamy years novel, and NOT the movie.... THAT IS NOT THE MOVIE. Seriously Quint how could you even post this... even the crew have not seen more than the pages they are shooting. The security on this set rivals Cloverfield. Your doing a real disservice posting this guys lie.
Also we KNOW the ship is built in space by Falcon5768	Jan 5th, 2008 08:57:10 AM
about the only thing we DO know about this script is the ship is build in space, as the teaser attached to Cloverfield is the ship being built..... IN SPACE OVER SAN FRANSISCO
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!! by BetaRayBill07	Jan 5th, 2008 09:00:20 AM
Aww man they made Kirk into a young tool when he should be a stud. Right on the money here-expectations are now drastically lowered :(
This will suck mightily and we know it by V'Shael	Jan 5th, 2008 09:02:59 AM
Kirk graduates and is given a ship immediately? The Enterprise is built at Area 51? This sounds like a ton of crap.
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT STAR TREK!!! by dundundles	Jan 5th, 2008 09:08:32 AM
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT STAR TREK!!!
BUT will Kirk say MY BAD? by BRUTICUS	Jan 5th, 2008 09:33:51 AM
If Kirk doesn't say MY BAD. I'm not going.
hey Kurtzman and Orci? sound familiar? by BRUTICUS	Jan 5th, 2008 09:40:21 AM
seriously. does this talkback remind you of anything? Yeah, when you pissed all over the Transformers mythology. The film should make money but we will still hate you.
The script sucks? SO WHAT??? by Blue Lord	Jan 5th, 2008 09:41:14 AM
Yadda yadda yadda...Most movies receiving negative reviews still make sh*tloads of money and most important: I tend to like 9 out of 10 of those movies. What do Pirates of the Carribbean 3, Alvin and the Chipmunks and the German animation flick Lissie und der Wilde Kaiser have in common? They all got horrid reviews and I've seen them more than once in theatres (with POTC 3 holding my all-time record of ten times in theatres!)... So, if the new Trek script is really that bad: BRING IT ON! They're up for my new movie-going record! And then thre are those movies with positive reviews: The Bourne Ultimatum, No Country for Old Men...BORING! A bad review sounds like an award to me these days...and I'm certainly up for the ride! See you in theatres, Jerky Kirky...
Hey, Abrams, Kirk isn't an idiot! by ChronoB	Jan 5th, 2008 09:43:40 AM
This shows Abrams and gang know nothing about Trek. Starship Captains have to be some of the most well-educated, well-rounded people in Starfleet. Kirk would have been smart enough to reprogram the simulation on his own, AND bang a girl. Way to screw up the character, Abrams. And Trek fans do not want to hear the words "Star Wars" in reference to the look of Star Trek. I have very low expectations for the look of the Enterprise. Looks like Abrams is giving Star Trek the same stellar treatment he once gave Superman, except someone had the sense not to let Abrams make that movie!
Blue Lord by BRUTICUS	Jan 5th, 2008 09:44:31 AM
Pirates three? Alvin and Chipmunks? more than once in the theatres? OKKKKKKKKK, you're opinion probably counts to your moms but not here.
Oh, he's scratching that itch alright. by KentButabi	Jan 5th, 2008 09:45:14 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb here when I saw that all these reports of JJ wanting to change things but not doing it b/c of the strike is complete bullshit. 1) The script is well guarded. Not even the stars of this flick have seen the whole thing. He can change whatever, whenever. No one will know. 2) Studio has put a lot of $$$ on this; their not going to fuck up this movie for the sake of the writers. If they cared about them, we would all be watching TV right now. 3) JJ is at work. He is working. He is not going to half-ass anything. I'm not worried.
First source is full of azzzzzzz by optimus122	Jan 5th, 2008 09:47:00 AM
He loves JJ so much that he takes extra joy in lying and trying to destroy the dudes movie..lmfao , smells real bad to me..I am positive the first guy is full of horse shit...but I will wait and see because he is some hack who deserves my respect? HAHA no..
Those two writers are just going around ruining shit! by tile_mcgillus	Jan 5th, 2008 09:48:00 AM
WOW! THe writers are gigantic assfucks who write like seventh graders on a sugar binge. I hope both of them get the AIDS and explode on their families! Yeah. I'm pretty mature around here.
And they're obviously confusing Area 51 with that other film... by Nosferatu Jones	Jan 5th, 2008 09:53:28 AM
...from Paramount, called, uh, INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL, anyone???
Bruticus by Blue Lord	Jan 5th, 2008 09:54:59 AM
My opinion is the only one that counts...to me!!! You are entitled to your own opinions. So why do I bother signing up and positing it here? Well, because I'm sick of others posting their equally insignificant opinions without me. --- That said, in the end it comes down to cash. NEMESIS, which was ripped apart on this site in early 2002 and which I saw five times in thetre then, didn't make that money. Other ripped-apart movie like POTC 3 and Alvin do and no one, even not the devine critiques here at AICN had denie that fact! POTC 4 is upon us at some point and Alvin 2 and 3, too. And there is absolutely nothing AICN or any other internet reviewers can do about it! And in case Trek XI makes more than 150 Mio. bucks, I don't give a flying f*ck about reviews...in case it doesn't, there are fortunately a lot of insanely successful franchise flicks with bad reviews out there to prove your insignificance...
No Country For Old Men is boring?!!!! by MontyPigeon	Jan 5th, 2008 10:01:40 AM
Not enough chipmunks and pirates for your retarded little mind to actually understand what you were watching? Best film of the year hands down.
Well...BOX OFFICE counts... by Blue Lord	Jan 5th, 2008 10:10:28 AM
I'm not even denying I'm a retard...geek...freak...whatso ever...but in the end, it comes down to box office: No Country... 44 million against POTC 3 317 million against Alvin 160 million counting...Now, though being boring Bourne WAS a success, and NEM, though being ripped-apart was a bomb...we will see what happens on 12/25 this year...
Dear writers.... by Head In A Box	Jan 5th, 2008 10:13:08 AM
James T. Kirk served as an instructor at the academy BEFORE his posting to the Starship Farragut where he served as Lieutenant for a couple years. WELL BEFORE he was EVER posted to Captain of the Enterprise. If Kirk is made Captain straight out of the Academy, it's clear that you're tossing out the original canon and trying to create your own. And fuck you for that.
OK Blue Lord by BRUTICUS	Jan 5th, 2008 10:15:00 AM
If you can admit that you are a retard, geek, freak etc.. Why can't you just admit that your taste in movies sucks balls? And has less significance here than those of us who are not retarded?
Head In A Box by BRUTICUS	Jan 5th, 2008 10:16:03 AM
They did it to Transformers... why not Star Trek?
I came here to say that the first person to say by smackfu	Jan 5th, 2008 10:19:15 AM
"trekker" instead of "Trekkie" is getting an atomic wedgie after the forum, but it was already done. TheBladehelm, tell your mom you're going to be late for supper.
"Talented director"??? by SpencerTrilby	Jan 5th, 2008 10:26:06 AM
Except a few shitty TV episodes and a lame first feature, he's hardly a director, much less talented. Just a sly producer.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! by uss cygnus	Jan 5th, 2008 10:31:01 AM
It's over, Johnny. It's OVER!!
Nobody Asked For An Onscreen Recreation of the Kobayshi by A-COD	Jan 5th, 2008 10:31:43 AM
I don't want to see how Kirk beat the Kobayashi Maru. It was a memorable line of dialogue in Star Trek 2 but there's no need to rehash it. Why waste valuable screen time? Come up with your own stuff
JJ Abrams Is Going To Rape My Childhood by uss cygnus	Jan 5th, 2008 10:34:48 AM
Abrams is apparently using the "Idiocracy" model of filmmaking to guide him as a literal interpertation of modern society. Will Kirk have a beer and cheet on his wife at Buttfuckers, too?
Nimoy said he shoots in March on Late Late Show by BrandLoyalist	Jan 5th, 2008 10:37:04 AM
He was on the destruck Craig Ferguson show last night. Doesn't totally rule out the 3rd rumor I s'poze; probably don't need full scale production up and running to get a shot of someone's hand.
Was a script really read, by aboriginal	Jan 5th, 2008 10:38:47 AM
tidbits really seen? Tired of these behind the scenes wannabes dishing their biased two cents on something they haven't gotten a real clue about. When the credits roll then the shit can hit the fan.
Typical TEEN crap. by kabong	Jan 5th, 2008 10:39:33 AM
Conditioning people not to expect anything but cheating. Don't allow people to dream that a starship captain could be an exemplary individual. Turn everything into a sour joke.
Irresponsible Captain...Kirk? by Zadillo	Jan 5th, 2008 10:43:50 AM
Somehow this sounds more like a live-action version of the anime "Irresponsible Captain Tylor" than Star Trek.
And Another Thing, Childhood Raper.... by uss cygnus	Jan 5th, 2008 10:46:18 AM
The Kobyashi Maru is NOT a class. It is a test of CHARACTER. KIRK re-programmed the simulation so that it was possible to rescue the ship. He defended his actions by using the logic of his not believing in the "No-Win" scenario, which therefore demonstrated and justified the end to his means. And he was given a COMMENDATION for it, he was not villified. That was the start of his legend in Starfleet...but since when has CANON meant anything to assholes like you? Is Tyler Perry going to play Jar-Jar Binks?
A better trek movie by BUCK.STARBLASTER	Jan 5th, 2008 10:46:20 AM
Forget that blasphemous piece of crap they are putting together.how about a horror movie about jj abrams making a star trek movie.plot synopsis:mysterious deaths begin occurring on the set of jj's trek reboot.A disgruntled treekie perhaphs?or something more sinister!As the body count rises all evidence points to the ghost of roddenberry,returned from the grave to put a stop to this abhorrent mess!with only abrams,the kid who plays young kirk and gay spock left alive it's a race aginst time to finish production before the studio puts the kibash on the whole thing.Suddenly jj,gay spock and young kirk actor find themselves cornered by the killer.As the huge silhouette approches brandishing a phaser,the three are paralized with fear.It's the ghost of roddenberry!!or is it? The creature believed to be the venerated creator stops cold before finishing his victoms.without warning the "ghost" pulls off his face (scooby doo style)revealing himself to be...shatner!!! In true captain kirk style the iconic shat swoops in to save the day once and for all.end credits roll.
Let me see if I understand this by I am_NOTREAL	Jan 5th, 2008 10:46:59 AM
Is the first guy saying that in the script, Kirk graduates from Starfleet Academy--as an ensign, I guess, or whatever the Starfleet equivalent--and immediately takes command of the Enterprise? I know that part of Kirk's story was that he was at the time the youngest ship's captain in Starfleet history, but surely there's some indication of time - hopefully years - passing. Cause if not, that would be so, so, so, so, so, so very bad.
They should have done a DS9 movie instead! by captboulder	Jan 5th, 2008 10:55:13 AM
but nooooo! We just had to do another Kirk and company film, even if they're toddlers!
Fuck the haters, and fuck the fandom. by critch	Jan 5th, 2008 10:55:26 AM
As said, these are pretty much all bullshit. Nobody's seen the script, the footage, or Quinto shooting anything. Fuck the haters. This thing is gonna rock. You can always tell when a movie is gonna be successful. When AICN hates it, and the fandom is up in arms. Fuck the haters, and fuck the fandom. Nobody gives a shit if Kirk was an instructor, or what he did. And Shatner isn't in this one cause HE DIED ON SCREEN. He wasn't in the last 3 movies either, gonna bitch about them? In the words of your God, GET A LIFE!
yeah it's a reboot, but it has time travel, and old spock.. by lex romero	Jan 5th, 2008 10:55:46 AM
..and old series continuity. Why? What's the point? I thought the reboot was meant to seperate it from teh old series, not use it as an excuse to have more time travel and more ways to link it with the old series. Surely that won't help bring new fans to the film?
Academies are for life not just initial training... by merchantofdeath	Jan 5th, 2008 11:08:26 AM
Remember that in the military people go back and forth to military academies and colleges throughout their careers - not just for initial training, but also as they climb the ranks -junior officers, staff college training, senior officer training, etc, etc. Some of these will be upto a year long and senior courses will be more heavily weighted to command and strategy matters than junior courses - so perhaps Kobyashi Maru is part of a senior officer staff / command course, in which case he could well go straight to his frist command afterwards.
If the crew is all attending Starfleet High School together by kabong	Jan 5th, 2008 11:11:59 AM
then continuity and canon are disrupted. This is an attempt to reboot with TEEN crap. The time travel is a cover for when the movie, inevitably, flops. If you can't be faithful to the Trek ethos, then produce SPACE TEENS and be honest about it.
wow by Fortunesfool	Jan 5th, 2008 11:18:00 AM
JJ Abrams holding the camera steady long enough to line up 2 different shots. He's really moving on as a film maker since headache:impossible 3
oops I ment victim by BUCK.STARBLASTER	Jan 5th, 2008 11:21:04 AM
But you get the point.
I guess they threw the canon out the window. by haywood	Jan 5th, 2008 11:21:29 AM
Kirk was a great character in the old series. From what I gather he was a serious student, driven self motivated and had no time for practical jokes as stated by the character finigan in the episode "shore leave". Throughout the old episodes one can piece together a glimpse of a young Kirk who drives himself to be the best he can. Kirk, also served as an Lieutenant on the Farragut before he joined the Enterprise. So going from the Academy and becoming Captain is a far throw from what the original shows have set up. Gone is the Hornblower feel of the character to be replaced by Harold and Kumar go to starfleet. A real shame as it would be interesting to see what it really would take to make a great starfleet captain. The idea that Kirk and Spock meet while in the Academy is strange, it harkens back to what Luca$h did with the Star Wars Universe, he actually made it smaller instead of larger, by having everyone meet at Lukes home planet. What is next Baby Star Trek? Where they all meet in the crib? All those characters Kirk, Spock, McCoy should meet for the first time on the Enterprise that is what brings them together. The safety for the ship and its crew, and the idea of exploration. So the original shows had a more realistic take on the idea of the first meet than what this film intends to be. People meet new people in jobs all the time, they serve, interact, help one another and do their duty, then when its done they either go different ways or not. Hopefully what we are hearing in terms of rumors is just that, but if that is the way they tend to go, then I will be waiting for the rental.
time travel sucks by christ_opher	Jan 5th, 2008 11:24:15 AM
why does spock have to time travel in order to "pass on the torch"? why not have two parallel story lines something along the lines of princess bride.. spock is on some mission to romulus..(blah) but hes traveling with a younger person, who asks him about the first time he met james kirk. connect the two plots with some central romulan theme and it would be great.. don't they love flash backs in LOST?
Three Spocks? by I Dunno	Jan 5th, 2008 11:28:11 AM
Leonard Nimoy said there will be 3 Spocks. Is he senile and can't count or will there be a Spock baby?
Will Sulu ride a leopard in this one? by spud mcspud	Jan 5th, 2008 11:35:53 AM
Is there room for Kumar in this flick? Someone should donkeypunch JJ for this. Only nekkid green bitch can save this flick now.
The minute I walked out of Transformers, I knew this was gonna s by zillabeast	Jan 5th, 2008 11:39:00 AM
Of course I didn't walk out of Transformers till the credits started rolling, but that's only because the g/f wouldn't let me. Otherwise I would have peaced the minute Shia appeared on-screen.
kirk by nora inu	Jan 5th, 2008 11:39:52 AM
why did i read this post?? now i'm scared about this movie. and Trek cannon established numerous times that kirk was a studious, nerdy bookworm at the academy and it was only later that he came out of his shell and became so roguish. this made him the opposite of picard who was a wild child at the academy and then became more strait laced...and i agree, not sure about all this abrams love...
by christ_opher	Jan 5th, 2008 11:40:01 AM
how about a story line like this: an alien race that kirk dealt with on his first mission (who cares who it is) comes to earth and wants to speak to kirk or they will destroy earth (basically the plot of star trek 4: save the whales) but kirk is dead... so spock has the idea to go to the mirror mirror universe to get that kirk... you know that evil one. then spock has to explain to evil kirk why he has to help them, which is done through flash back. spock explains what a douche bag good kirk was at the academy (cheating on test) but how on their first real mission kirk redeemed himself saving/killing/whatever the same aliens that are threatening to destroy the earth in the present.
Kirk was a good student, rogue captain by AnimalStructure	Jan 5th, 2008 11:42:30 AM
This is ridiculous. By all accounts Kirk was a stellar Starfleet student who only became rogueish once on the Enterprise. This contrasts with Picard who was a bad boy at the Academy but got his shit together and was the anti-thesis of Kirk as a captain. And if Kirk is such a bad student, why would he be given his own starship right out of the gate? Would he not have to crew on various ships before getting his own? This whole story sounds terrible. No surprise since JJ Abrams is involved. This guy has not made one quality thing yet.
This is actually a fiendish plan... by spud mcspud	Jan 5th, 2008 11:44:39 AM
Go with me here, people. They release a ton of disparaging remarks about this movie - including Plant-Boy and Lying Bastard's as above. We all froth at the mouth and get mightily pissed over this news. We wait for the movie. Instead of sucking outright, it ends up a tepid pissbucket of a remake - but because we are expecting a slurryload of warm shit, we all re-appraise what we think of the movie, everyone goes "It's not the shitstorm we expected", it does well opening weekend and for a few weeks after... and JJ and Paramount make just enough dollar to make more of these fucking abominations. DO NOT LOWER YOUR EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS MOVIE! THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT! THAT'S WHAT THEY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT!!!!!
AIQN by Kingdaddy	Jan 5th, 2008 11:52:51 AM
Seems like Aint It Quint News lately and I, for one, LIKE IT! Keep up the good work and GREAT reviews Quint! Cheers...
Whyyyyyyyy???? by damned-dirty-ape	Jan 5th, 2008 11:55:00 AM
I've said it before and i'll say it again. Trek is all about going forward, not back. You can't change 40 years of canon unless you are doing a total reboot, which these obviously aren't. I just can't get excited about this. They aren't fantastic writers in the first place and with no rewrites allowed i'll be very suprised if it's not a big steaming pile of shit. I might be pleasantly suprised, but i doubt it. Paramount don't give a flying fuck about the franchise, they just want to squeeze as much money from this cash cow as they possibly can before it akes it's final breath. Fuck Paramount!
You guys are idiot by Invisiblething	Jan 5th, 2008 11:56:18 AM
Yep, I said it. Idiots. I mean, you seriously believe these people? NO ONE has seen the script, and besides, as Falcon said, it's the plot to Shat's book that this "source" is describing. Anyway, I reserve all judgment until I see it. And btw, 90 percent of people in these tb's hate EVERYTHING, and seriously need to relax and let everybody have their own opinion without calling them names. I mean, we are civilised human beings, right? Right?
Yep...Sounds like the O.C/90210 in Space. by conspiracy	Jan 5th, 2008 11:59:39 AM
THIS is what happens in Hollywood when someone gets branded as the creative genius of the week, as Abrams has, and the studios give them a blank check...self indulgent shit. Why even bother calling this mess Star Trek? Why not a catchy ONE WORD title...like "TREK"..to go along with other hip shit like "Lost" and "Cloverfield". This sounds so bad I most likely won't even bother to steal it off of Limewire.
Civilised? by damned-dirty-ape	Jan 5th, 2008 12:00:48 PM
How dare you? I take great pride in being a fat, angry, useless, world hating, disgusting geek who hasn't seen sunlight in 3 years. Then again invisible i see your point. I just can't seem to get excited about these thinds anymore. I don't get why everything has to be a reboot
JJ Abrams Raped my Childhood! by conspiracy	Jan 5th, 2008 12:01:13 PM
Someone had to say it.
double standard by Invisiblething	Jan 5th, 2008 12:01:54 PM
And yes, I recognise the double standard in me calling you all idiots.
Obviously fake.. by Hotscot	Jan 5th, 2008 12:01:59 PM
It's the new studio approach of misinformation. Flood the media with fake spies, "inside info" etc. so that even if the genuine script is leaked no-one will be sure. Guaranteed that's the approach.
JJ Abrahms by damned-dirty-ape	Jan 5th, 2008 12:05:41 PM
I've no doubt the man is talented, but i still can't shake his terrible superman script from a few years back. If thats his idea of adapting established franchises, then things will be dire
I agree with many others here..Why all the Remakes/Reboots? by conspiracy	Jan 5th, 2008 12:08:34 PM
Because Hollywood is full of itself, and has figured out "if we just release it, they will come"... No need to be creative anymore. I'm just waiting...the Remake of Star Wars..you know its coming! The minute Mr. childhood memory Rapist Lucas kicks off or decides to finally cast off the thing since he loathes it so, some hack will remake it..with a "harder edge", more "realistic" in keeping with "todays" expectations.
Worse than Superman Returns by Musicballs	Jan 5th, 2008 12:10:09 PM

dirty ape by Invisiblething	Jan 5th, 2008 12:10:11 PM
Hey, about the only thing on me that gets any sun is my left arm that hangs out the car window as I drive, so I'm with ya there But as far as the movie, from what I can tell, it jumps from on point in time to another, so it's not a High School Trek Musical. I doubt we'll see the crew at the acadamy togther. But, again, who knows? I'm looking forward to it with much fear and trepidation. The biggest thing this has going for it is Nimoy's involvement. Believe me, he doesn't need the paycheck. On the strength of that alone, I will give a chance. Nimoy is very protective of Spock and Star Trek.
Kirk can suck my balls by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR	Jan 5th, 2008 12:15:45 PM
Picard was better anyway. What a load of horseshit I'm reading here anyway. That first guy is about as much a source as I am Wil Wheaton. Like someone said upthread, if he's read the script, why not spill something meaty? The other two may have something in them but are still too vague to get excited about. And what a surprise: 'boo fucking hoo, they're messing with canon'. Who gives a shit? Newsflash: this franchise was DOA when Abrams got his overrated paws on it. If he can gets fans interested (I'm not talking about the rabid diehard fuckwits that would see a dead Shatner corpse acting via electroshock treatment before someone else gets the Kirk role) while making a ton of cash from a broader audience, then he deserves some kudos. If you want to go canon then we'll need the Borg Queen, kids and dog showing up every thirty seconds and Ethan Phillips making a cameo. The time travel angle is gash but if it clears out 25 seasons + of clutter and retains the good stuff, then it'll work for me. I know plenty of Trek fans that only watched from TNG onwards and a movie like this is the only way they would watch anything so closely associated with the donkey's ball original series, a hammy piece of shit of a show that gives sci-fi a bad name. There are more of us out there losers. I'm off to cook with my attractive girlfriend in our flat before going out in the real world for drinks and then to my rewarding and well-paid job on Monday. Eat my ass you Shatner-lovers
Invisiblething by damned-dirty-ape	Jan 5th, 2008 12:22:01 PM
I have to admit, even though i can't get excited about it, i am very intrigued about what will be done. I still think that the trek universe should continue forward instead of back, but at least we are still getting trek rather than nothing at all so i'm thankful for that
Tidbits? More like tidSHITS! by fractureJonze	Jan 5th, 2008 12:24:14 PM
Kirk a captain right out of Starfleet? Thats like Magnum PI being born with a mustache.
Who are you working for? by damned-dirty-ape	Jan 5th, 2008 12:26:40 PM
I have a decent job too, and my own house, i go out a fair bit too. I even have a girlfriend, but mine is going to look like her mother in about 10 years so i'm pretty pissed off about that one. You have me beat there
If this is all true JJ can go fuck himself. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jan 5th, 2008 12:27:23 PM
This sounds like total shit. He will be as hated as Uwe Boll if this all pans out as truth.
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT STAR TREK!!! by dundundles	Jan 5th, 2008 12:32:44 PM
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT STAR TREK!!!
I kind of agree with Merchantofdeath by Kyzer The Medic	Jan 5th, 2008 12:35:53 PM
Its believable that it could have been a leadership course at the academy between the time he was a junior officer and got his first command, they only said it was at the academy, never actually specified WHEN at the academy, all in all, I have to say its a believable and acceptable possibility...
But what if the guy who read the script is one of these.. by DerLanghaarige	Jan 5th, 2008 12:42:51 PM
...stereotypcal Trekkies, who live in her mother's basement and label everything as "worst something ever"? Okay, maybe he is right, but what if?
Ah, forget this Star Trek stuff... by KazamaSmokers	Jan 5th, 2008 12:49:37 PM
It's the big budget MERCY POINT movie that's really gonna rock!!
Turds in Space by Trik_Ster	Jan 5th, 2008 12:50:02 PM
and time
Why does Abrams keep using Kurtzman and Orci?!?! by odysseus	Jan 5th, 2008 12:56:10 PM
He's brilliant -- they're utter hacks. Maybe now that he can't change their hackneyed dialogue on set due to the strike, he'll finally realize it -- the hard way.
JJ Abrams by disfigurehead	Jan 5th, 2008 01:02:32 PM
Is the new Jar Jar Binks.
I'm not that interested in continuity. by rbatty024	Jan 5th, 2008 01:06:43 PM
The series has ignored continuity over and over again, so there's no way it will fit completely within the confines of the recent TV shows (Warp 10 changes depending on the episode and the change in the Klingon look was ignored for quite a while). Just give us a good movie with characters we love.
Kurtzman and Orci-How do these two keep getting work? by Jobacca	Jan 5th, 2008 01:07:56 PM
Seriously-everything they've written reads like complete and utter crap,and in interviews they've demonstrated that they have no love for or knowledge of the properties they're given to adapt,yet somehow these two tools are attached to damn near every fanboy script in Hollywood? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? Fuck you Kurtz and Orci...fuck you both right in the ass.
Walking pile of books... by Demode	Jan 5th, 2008 01:14:02 PM
Wasn't Kirk called a "walking pile of books" or something in his academy days in the original series? Anyways, I can't think of kirk being a bad boy in the original. he was just a student who cheated to try to make his mark. As for him getting the Enterprise fresh out of the academy...no way. He served on another ship till he was a Lt in classic Trek. I don't buy any of these spoilers.
Fuck these reboots by Dr. Egon Spengler	Jan 5th, 2008 01:14:26 PM
I'm with everyone who's tired of this shit. Stop trying to fucking "re-imagine" or "re-invent" our favorite movie franchises - STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THEM FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST! The problem is, this country is full of sheep and will flock to just about anything Hollywood cranks out. YOU'RE ALL FUCKING SHEEP I TELL YOU!!!
Sounds like STAR TREK misses a golden opportunity (again) by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 01:24:52 PM
They could have made something fresh, epic and innovative but instead want some half-baked time travel plot where a Romulan wants to kill Jim Kirk as a baby. Lame.
I have faith in Abrams by veritasses	Jan 5th, 2008 01:25:58 PM
and will withhold final judgment but that sounds rather weak. Bad writing. And Kirk sleeping his way to cheating on the Kobayashi Maru is just plain wrong.
First interracial teabagging on the big screen by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR	Jan 5th, 2008 01:32:18 PM
But to really blow the liberal Trekkie minds have Sulu be the one dunking Uhura. Would Shatner have been up for this movie if Uhura could've used his face as a toilet?
Fuck canon right in the ass by performingmonkey	Jan 5th, 2008 01:48:59 PM
If you all love canon so much why the fuck do you want Shatner's Kirk back, seeing as he was killed in Generations (which IS canon)?? I say let Abrams do what the fuck he wants with Trek canon. If he doesn't have that freedom he can't tell his story and would just be a restricted Trek fanboy checking the encyclopedias and forums every 2 seconds. 'By all accounts Kirk was a good student.' Fuck those 'accounts'. If it gives him a good character arc in the movie, for him to turn from cocky cheating student to excellent captain, then so be it. The one thing I DON'T like is the idea of old Spock meeting young Spock. Not because of canon but because it already sounds tired.
1% of ship interiors? by lookleft	Jan 5th, 2008 01:51:35 PM
I know the dude says he isn't a trekkie, but come on. The Federation ships were designed from the inside-out over the past 40 years. We have seen more of them and their innards on the various series alone than any ships in all the Star Wars movies combined. All we ever see in Star Wars are a bridge, a hallway, and an elevator shaft. And god help those writers if they think they can sell the Enterprise as an Area 51 gadget.
Script Reader Debunked? by tweedleshawn	Jan 5th, 2008 02:04:47 PM
Orci himself commented on the TrekMovie site that whoever reported on the script has NOT read the script. Believe who you will. I'm just sayin'...
Area 51 built Enterprise = flames on optimus by Mike_D	Jan 5th, 2008 02:07:56 PM
lame.
Deja Vu by flossygomez	Jan 5th, 2008 02:11:40 PM
I predict that Star Trek will go the way of Superman Returns, not by being too faithful to previous films, but by veering too far away from what made the original series great. The charm of the character triad of Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
Orci is over at Trekmovie crying about AICN by picardsucks	Jan 5th, 2008 02:12:06 PM
Says rumors are false and whining that AICN never liked him. Makes me believe everything above is 100% true. Also he didn't deny anything in particular more like spin than anything. Too bad Trekmovie was a great site but seems like it has become a mouthpiece for the producers.
Just let Trek die for a while. by ImYerNumber1Fan	Jan 5th, 2008 02:12:28 PM
And bring it back after it rests for a decade. Sometimes the best way to reboot a franchise is to let people forget about it for a while. And why go back to do more time travel crap? Is this Back to the Future or Trek? Why not give us the Federation 100 years after TNG? New characters, new stories--The NEXT Next Generation!
Reboot vs Trek Canon... by ZaphodBeeblerox	Jan 5th, 2008 02:16:55 PM
It almost seems as if the writers (and maybe JJ) are forgetting that if they are going back to the graduation from Star Fleet to be their 'jumping off' point for continuity as far as the series is concerned, then everything that happened PRIOR to that graduation would have occurred as previously has been established in the Trek universe. For example, as Kirk said in TWOK, he reprogrammed the KM simulation, NOT that he banged some babe to do it for him. I also believe that the Enterprise was in no way built a product of Area51. (Hey, why not just tie it in with Indy and the Krystal skulls as well using that Area 51 tie in??) Grand scale and scope can only go so far to compensate for a script that creates it's own problem. If JJ wanted to completely change the entire Trek Universe and everything that had already been established, then he shouldnt have got Nimoy involved, because with his involvement a person would at least like to hope that Abrams wants to keep some aspects of Trek Canon intact. I dont know..I'm starting to have mixed feelings about this.....
Trek -has- died for a while. by I Dunno	Jan 5th, 2008 02:16:58 PM
No one watched Enterprise so that doesn't count and it's been 6 years since the last movie. Paramount still makes too much in merchandise to keep it out of the public eye for too long. Going back to the Kirk/Spock well though just says "I got nutin". Section 31 movie, FTW
Orci & Kurtzman - who could have guessed it'd suck? by krack	Jan 5th, 2008 02:21:10 PM
I mean really? A script by he screenwriters of Transformers? That screenplay was like a Hemingway novel.
Ditch this and make it a reality-based Trek tv show... by Darth_Inedible	Jan 5th, 2008 02:24:52 PM
Build an enormous self-contained Enterprise set complete with simulated controls, systems and encounters and lock a group of twentysomethings into it for 12 weeks after a training period.
Bet by Trik_Ster	Jan 5th, 2008 02:29:45 PM
they have cloaking devices waaay non-canon
Shipyards in Trek by DJJester	Jan 5th, 2008 02:34:02 PM
The Starfleet Shipyard is Utopia Planetia, its an orbital shipyard. The Enterprise could never land on a planet so having it built on one would sort of make a problem for launching it or is logic not in this picture?
Sounds pretty lame by kafka07	Jan 5th, 2008 02:37:17 PM
I'm no trekkie, but why would I want to see a Trek film that doesn't honor the original material at least a little? Talk about cheating.
Hahaha by Cat Gravity	Jan 5th, 2008 02:38:59 PM
Christ, Quint, why would you even post that first review? I don't care if it's from a trusted source or not.
Entertainment Weekly had the right answer for this franchise.... by Dasher	Jan 5th, 2008 02:41:41 PM
They ran an article several years back about how to revive movie franchises that were, at the time, dead or near-dead (Bond and Batman were on the list). For Star Trek, the article recommended an all-new cast of characters created specifically for films and not connected to any of the previous TV series. This would have enabled the filmmakers to create something fresh. So on the basis of what we're getting, it sounds like Paramount REALLY took that advice to heart. ;)
thank you all for caring so much about Star Trek by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 02:52:24 PM
Controversy is good. This "review" lowering expectations is good. Bring it on. Maybe we'll put flames right on the side of the Enterprise just for fun.
POTC 3 10 times?!?!?!?! by spectrebeeyatch	Jan 5th, 2008 02:54:26 PM
I'm sorry but I still can't get that out of my head. I could not stand watching 1/2 of that movie but someone saw it 10 times? You are insane that must be what it is because how did you not kill yourself? POTC 3 is in my top 10 worst films of 2007. Also that first post is BS he didn't read the script so just wait and see when this comes out in theaters.
I Support The DS9 Movie On This One by uss cygnus	Jan 5th, 2008 02:56:04 PM
Sisko comes out of the wormhole with Ezri Dax, looks at the camera, and says "We're puttin' the band back together. We're on a mission from the Bajoran Gods." Orgasmic Trekking, I tell ya.
mask-a-tron!!!!!!!!! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Jan 5th, 2008 03:01:39 PM
Excellent Jesus Christ Superstar reference there, mate! lol
Could people please stop making the your/you're mistake? by Freakemovie	Jan 5th, 2008 03:02:35 PM
I'm halfway down the talkback and I've seen it about eight times already. I'm usually not a grammar nut but that's just blatantly pathetic.
Enterprise from Area 51 biggest problem by wilsonfisk89	Jan 5th, 2008 03:03:24 PM
hope this isnt true, or gets rewritten, lame.
Bob Orci, you rascal! by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 03:05:53 PM
Flames on the Enterprise! But seriously, are you using Area 51 in the new movie?
RE : TheBladehelm by Real Deal	Jan 5th, 2008 03:12:28 PM
I'm 53 and I'm willing to bet I've been a ST fan longer than you! I say give them a chance! I'm really sick and tired of " Let Star Trek die ". Berman is finally gone and there are no TV series to pick at. Does anyone remember that ST left us for 10 years last time and came back stronger than ever! Before you start this wasn't because of Gene Roddenberry. The first movie was so mishandled it almost killed it. Roddenberry was the creator and should be respected but I don't think he understood how to be a good movie producer. I think a reboot can work if handled properly. I also wouldn't judge too much from rumour reports this early in the game. Wait for the finished product. Then if it's truly lousy tear away! Until then no more " Let Star Trek die " crap. Not if you're a real fan!
Rodenberry... by ZaphodBeeblerox	Jan 5th, 2008 03:25:07 PM
Back in college, I had the privilege of meeting Gene Rodenberry when he came to our college as part of our lecture series and I was on the Student Union Board so I got to go the reception with him afterwards. This was right when STNG was getting ready to roll before the cameras. What struck me most about him, was that he really had this incredible sense of optimism for mankind. That no matter how crappy things might be, that as a race we will persevere and do what's right compared to doing what's most convenient. In its best moments, Trek lived up to those ideals...in it's worst moments, it thumbed its collective nose at them. The more that I am reading about how Kirk is being treated in this movie, the more I see something that is getting away from those main principles that Rodenberry tried to interject into his tales....
Don't give properties to fans by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 5th, 2008 03:26:25 PM
They fuck it up. Bring in a gifted writer, as they did with Meyer who had no previous knowledge of Trek. This movie is from the writers of Transformers for gods sake. Only in Hollyweird.
Area 51 by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 03:27:17 PM
Let's see. Area 51 is a place where we supposedly keep aliens and spacecraft A SECRET. In Star Trek, earth KNOWS there are spaceships and aliens. You might've even heard of one of them. His name is Mr. SPOCK. You do the math.
Area 51 simply REFITS Enterprise by mustang_dvs	Jan 5th, 2008 03:30:49 PM
The little gray aliens in the Nevada desert add the flames and nipples that weren't installed at the San Francisco shipyards (ironically).
Rewrite? by Kid Z	Jan 5th, 2008 03:43:09 PM
Maybe, if this friggin strike EVER ends. More likely though is the suits release it as shot in order to get the product out there. Yeah, this is sounding reeeal good...
Not Happy... by jorson28	Jan 5th, 2008 03:48:38 PM
I've been a Treker of sorts since a classmate in the sixth grade started calling me "mon capiton" (why, I don't know) and my curiosity was peaked. The Next Generation was / is cool, but Kirk and Company are Trek incarnate and I still don't like the idea of this movie being made. It feels like a big-budget SNL skit and I'm afraid that's exactly how it's going to come off. Sure, Kirk's a skirt chaser, but one with class and intelligence -- unlike what we're likely to get with this Chris Pine's interpretation. In "Where No Man Has Gone Before," the central crewman-turned-bad-guy talks about Kirk when teaching at the Academy and says if one didn't think they'd sink in Kirk's class. I'm not saying make Kirk a teacher, but don't make him a complete joke. I think this is a clear case of "Star Wars" loyalists trying to get their claws on the competition and convert it to the dark side (to use the "Star Wars" vernacular).
Rewrite by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 03:49:39 PM
Even if the strike ends, we'll be the ones doing the rewriting so abandon all hope ye KO haters.
See, I was hoping they found Spock in the Hoover Dam by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 03:51:32 PM
Oh well...
Serious question here by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 04:00:27 PM
Why would the Romulans want to only kill Kirk as a child (or before he's born)? Why not kill Franklin Roosevelt or Jonah Salk or countless other, earlier figures in history that would have seriously derailed mankind's course towards space exploration? Or kill Zefram Cochrane? He invented warp drive AND made first contact with the Vulcans. I am of course being hypothetical here because the point is that killing baby Kirk poses logical flaws as a villainous plan. Are all villains logical? No. But if you have Time Travel capabilities, you're usually pretty fucking smart. So... I do not buy the current premise.
So Kirk is a terrible student.. by otm shank	Jan 5th, 2008 04:01:27 PM
who always screws things up because he doesn't give a damn. Then he gets to be a leader even though he is unqualified......Oh I get it! This isn't Star Trek at all. It's just a cover for JJ's new movie, The George W. Bush story!
Area 51 in Trek? by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 04:03:00 PM
Have you no shame? So I guess the Enterprise was built using parts from the alien ships collected and hidden at Area 51. Maybe they even used the alien ship from INDEPENDENCE DAY that was kept hidden in Area 51.
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE TRIBBLE HOMEWORLD. by dr.bulber	Jan 5th, 2008 04:06:20 PM
big miss on this.
Good question, Yackbacker by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 04:11:32 PM
No need to kill Kirk. Why not just take a page from BACK TO THE FUTURE. The Romulans can go back in time and stop Kirk's parents from hooking up like Marty McFly. Better yet, the Romulans can travel back in time and steal Papa Kirk's bottle of Viagra or have the pizza delivery guy knock on the door at the opportune moment so that Kirk is never conceived.
Thick-cut fatty fatty ham. by milla jovovich	Jan 5th, 2008 04:12:45 PM
There is no Tribble Homeworld.
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IF Bob Orci is really around, I gotta give him kudos by SpencerTrilby	Jan 5th, 2008 04:20:06 PM
... for going that far in the biz without an ounce of talent or integrity. Good job indeed. But I'm gonna stick with my first feeling: it's just a lame fan impersonating his idol.
The facts are these: by MasterShake	Jan 5th, 2008 04:20:06 PM
The Enterprise was Naval Construction Contract #1701 and was built at the starfleet shipyard in orbit above San Francisco. Canon describes Kirk as being a bookworm and having a stick up his ass when it comes to having fun. HE reprogrammed the Kobiyashi Maru scenario, not some Kirk groupie he leads along. Kirk wasn't a captain right out of the acadamy. It is well known he served as an ensign and was promoted to lieutenant abord the Starship Farragut. I am a diehard TOS fan, and this movie already sounds dead to me.
NoHubris-- or better yet, why not SAVE Edith Keeler? by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 04:21:28 PM
She apparently helps the Nazis win WWII, according to Trek! Or send a Romulan ship back to Earth c. 10,000 B.C. and wipe our cro-magnon ancestor's asses with phaser fire? Or save the dinosaurs from dying off, keeping them at the top of the food chain? Or keeping us from ever knowing the pleasure of indoor plumbing! How can we fly into deep space if we can't get rid of our feces?!?!?!?!? Too bad that in a Universe of possibilities for a new story, we get "It's a Wonderful Kirk."
SpencerTrilby by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 04:29:43 PM
Thanks dude. It truly is a monumental task to get hired again and again without having an ounce of talent or integrity. Thank you for noticing. I think it's Alex Kurtzman's cooking that does it.
Tidbits Galore by TheNorthlander	Jan 5th, 2008 04:31:14 PM
What Bond movie was she in?
YackBacker - EDITH KEELER MUST LIVE... by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 04:36:21 PM
...(a take on Spock's line "Edith Keeler must die" from CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER). That would be a much better story arc and would even make a great title. Although you really nailed the whole problem with this incarnation of Trek and covered it all with "It's A Wonderful Kirk." But keep Old Spock. He should be the one who gets his wings instead of Clarence.
I have no interest in flaming you, Bob Orci by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 04:36:22 PM
You're a successful screenwriter, hat's off to you in all sincerity. And I get that J.J. and Co. want to re-boot fan interest in the franchise which may require taking certain liberties with canon. But wasn't there ever a moment where you all thought "Hey, let's do some actual exploring"? I think keeping it limited to Romulans killing off baby Kirk is not what will bring in new fans (or enamor old fans for that matter).
Take it with a pinch of salt. by NachoNegro	Jan 5th, 2008 04:37:47 PM
I am a trekkie, and I'll tell you now - Area 51 == Bollocks. It doesn't make any sense. Kirk being given the Enterprise straight out of the academy == bollocks. Given them some credit - they are rebooting, so there will be some canon changes, but 22 year old ensigns don't get given the flagship of the fleet - it just doesn't make any sense in any way. For the record, in canon Kirk was 35 when he was given the Enterprise, and even that is waaay young. As far as him sleeping with a cute programmer is concerned, that I can accept - it fits with the character for me. Kirk is not a computer programmer, not in any sense. But he would not have got through starfleet academy without having a good basis of knowledge. Reboots are all very well, but Abrams is not stupid enough to blatantly flaunt logic in a franchise that has always lived and died on a realistic, logical structure to it's playbook.
Trek 4 showed us that any asshole can just fly into the sun by I Dunno	Jan 5th, 2008 04:40:05 PM
slingshot around and go backwards and forwards in time. The Borg could obviously do it at will but only tried it once. For some reason there was no galaxy-wide war over the Guardian of Forever. The Bajorans have an "Orb of Time" that let Sisko and co go back to that Tribble episode. If you fly into the Nexus, you can go to any time or place you want (even though Picard picked the worst possible time and place). So any yahoo dickhead can go back in time and fuck things up. It's time to drop that lazy plot device.
YackBacker by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 04:41:02 PM
Couldn't agree more.
Ouch! by Jack Colby	Jan 5th, 2008 04:42:24 PM
The movie sounds downright terrible now. Oh well, they can do a proper reboot again someday. My main question is, what's to keep the director from suggesting things to actors? That's part of the director's job, it need not fall under his writing duties. I know other directors have done this on films and never consulted the writers. Abrams needs to wear two hats here, and keep them separate in his mind.
Bob Orci, please continue to do what you do... by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 04:43:26 PM
...as a writer in demand. The comments are should be seen as "flavorful" suggestions.
...comments should be seen... by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 04:44:02 PM

...comments should be seen... by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 04:44:03 PM

You're welcome, "Boborci" by SpencerTrilby	Jan 5th, 2008 04:44:25 PM
but my guess is it has more to do with lowering the mainstream audience's tastes with silly humor, mediocre dialogues, lousy character development and no artistic ambition other than reaching the lowest common denominator. Worthy of a Hack Pack life membership indeed. As for me, I'll enjoy sneaking into STINO with my buddies and ripping it apart like I did with MI3. Dude.
I Dunno, I agree by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 04:44:35 PM
Romulans could go back and kill the whales George and Gracie from ST IV and that would fuck up the Federation real good. It's all kind of a never-ending silliness with this time travel.
Off topic: Bob Orci, any news on the strike? by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 04:47:07 PM
Anything?
Wow by FastEddie8139	Jan 5th, 2008 04:49:24 PM
I didn't know who Bob Orci was until I read this thread and checked IMDB. That's one craptacular body of work.
I support the "phantom menace part 2" crowd on this one by Pipple	Jan 5th, 2008 04:50:30 PM
And holy shit the writer of the movie's here? I believe it... seemed like the type to come to hell and dance with the devil. Well tranformers was pretty average so I don't like you much...
and then... by FastEddie8139	Jan 5th, 2008 04:52:49 PM
Is he really in here fighting with the fans like some petulant kid? Good idea, alienating the fan base for a movie franchise that literally cannot attract new fans.
In Year of Hell from VOYAGER.. by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 04:54:08 PM
...Kurtwood Smith's character changed the timeline without time travel by using a temporal weapon which altered the timeline by the click of a button. A device like that makes better sense IMHO. Apologies for the mistakenly doing a double post.
Orci & Kurtzman Must Have Incriminating Photos on Somebody by JaySmack	Jan 5th, 2008 05:02:23 PM
How do the two WORST screenwriters in the world keep getting jobs? MI3 was pure shit and Transformers was a reeking piece of celluloid sold completely on CGI. I know those two assholes got a 3 picture deal with Paramount (starting with the Island and continuing with Transformers) but who at Paramount thought these morons were worthy to carry a Star Trek reboot? Every script those two write gets worse and worse! Abrams is one of the assholes who likes to hire his friends. I just hope he can overcome their shortcomings. He can't complain about how bad the script is either. He chose these guys knowing they can't write worth a fuck. And the jolly folks at AICN will pimp this shit regardless of whether it's good (highly unlikely!) or total shit! Let's see these shumucks run interference for Paramount so Harry can keep getting text-messages from Abrams. Pathetic. Let's hope Abrams uses the strike as his chance to dump Orci/Kurtzman and realize that just because they're his buddies doesn't mean they have a lick of talent and sure as hell doesn't mean he has to keep tossing them work.
KIRK CHEATED by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:02:50 PM
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Fuck this movie!
NoHubris, that was a good two-parter by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 05:03:03 PM
Smith's villain was a pathetic sort of guy too. But he was a human-- human in the sense that he wanted to restore his civilization and be reunited with his wife. What's Nero's (Eric Bana) motivation? We don't know yet. If it's just to be a badass that took down Kirk as an infant, that's a huge letdown. If there's something of substance to him (and his plan) then maybe there's some hope to be had. Maybe.
SpencerTrilby by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:03:49 PM
You think quite highly of my influence. First you don't believe it's me -- you think it's a fan impersonating me. Now you seem to think we can affect mass audiences expectations to mold moviegoers into accepting our nefarious hackery. I wish I was as large an influence in reality as I seem to be in your mind. Thanks. And if only one of your buddies likes it and tells a friend who pays to see it, it will make up for the ten dollars you will owe us for sneaking in -- better make sure all your friends are as open minded as you are and that they hate the movie BEFROE they see it.
yackbacker by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:05:55 PM
Nothing worth reporting yet.
J.J. Abrams by zooch	Jan 5th, 2008 05:07:53 PM
Everyone loves you for helping create LOST. People love LOST because it's an original concept, creative, exciting and new. People also like Cloverfield for many of same reasons. But you didn't choose to direct that. Instead you decide to waste your time directing Mission: Impossible sequels and a Star Trek rehash? Why?
I think Boborci is the first "talkback celebrity" ... by krack	Jan 5th, 2008 05:09:31 PM
... that everyone wishes would just go away and stop posting. Could we get WalterB back here instead? Or maybe Stallone? I'm hoping Bob and Kurtzman get the Smurfs and Fraggle Rock franchises next. I didn't particularly like either of those when I was a kid and it will keep them busy and far away from the stuff I'd actually care about them ruining.
jaysmack by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:09:43 PM
Yeah! Abrams sucks! If our script sucks it's not our fault! It's his stupid fault for hiring us! Down with Abrams!
Bob Orci by NachoNegro	Jan 5th, 2008 05:11:06 PM
Assuming for a moment that you ARE Bob Orci, I sincerely hope you don't fuck this up. For now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Bob Orci, is there anything more you can say by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 05:17:28 PM
Other than that you think the "reviewer" hasn't read the script? Obviously you can't tell us about the movie in specifics, but you're a Star Trek fan from what I've read about you. You know what I'm driving at here?
Fan interaction by Zath_ras	Jan 5th, 2008 05:17:28 PM
Hey, Bob, you're responding more to comments here than on Trekmovie. All things being equal, I did like some of "Transformers", but any time the bots were on screen it was awful. The Island was so-so, but that was a Bay film as well. I certainly hope J.J.s more down to Earth directing style allows your script and the characters within to shine (unless the tidbits above are true).
Area 51? by Premiere Warlord Bush	Jan 5th, 2008 05:17:29 PM
If it turns out the Enterprise is built in Area 51, I'm not going to bother watching this. I'm not even a huge Trekkie but I know enough about that universe to know the whole Area 51 thing is out of place and just a dumb move entirely.
fast eddie by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:17:31 PM
Who's fighting? I'm truly just here having fun the weekend before having to go back to work. Mean no disrespect to anyone.
The whole Queer Spock thing will either make it or break it by dogphart3000	Jan 5th, 2008 05:18:26 PM
Kirk lied people died
nachonegro by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:18:32 PM
open mind is all we ask. Thanks.
Boborci, here's a way to prove it's you ... by krack	Jan 5th, 2008 05:20:02 PM
Tell us on what page number of the shooting script Spock's tribble pisses on Kirk's foot.
krack by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:21:46 PM
page 1 for sure. No sense in saving the good stuff for later.
Boborci by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:25:02 PM
You're not Boborci. You're a troll...oh, wait... maybe you are Bob Orci.
Boborci by NachoNegro	Jan 5th, 2008 05:28:00 PM
That's fine. But I've walked into many Star Trek films with an open mind, and had that open mind butt-raped repeatedly. Just remember that your high watermark is Star Trek II, and that above all, Star Trek has to make sense. It's not Star Wars. A 22 year old Kirk getting command of the flagship of the fleet makes no sense. Still, I'm sure you know that. Having him steal it? Now that I could accept. Anyway, You've got an open mind here, and you've already got my $10.
Boborci, thanks for the laughs. by SpencerTrilby	Jan 5th, 2008 05:28:18 PM
and by laughs I mean your silly defensive attitude. Not The Island's plot, Mission: Impossible 3 characterization, plotholes and dialogues, or even TINO or Legend of Zorro as a whole. That was where my open-mindedness called it a day.
S.A.T. Question #1 by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:28:36 PM
David Mamet is to great writer as Bob Orci is to...
Spencer tribly sucks dick by optimus122	Jan 5th, 2008 05:30:06 PM
That is all , faggot
what! he's a bad student!??? by geraldbeans	Jan 5th, 2008 05:30:28 PM
oh my god! he's a bad student! well that's it, I refuse to see the movie if he's a bad student! how dare they make kirk a bad student! i mean, that's no-way-will-I-see-it-now worthy. bad students ruin every movie!
So ok by Orionsangels	Jan 5th, 2008 05:31:05 PM
When watching the 60's TV show. I know have to accept that younger spock before all the events on the show. Saw his old self?
Yackbacker - Bana's a good actor... by NoHubris	Jan 5th, 2008 05:31:26 PM
...and can do pathetic. In MUNICH, I recall how he agonized about both the complexity of his mission and the consequences of his actions. If the script allows, Bana would give Smith's Annorax a run for his money. BTW I'm partial to DS9 but that two parter is one of my Trek favorites. It wouldn't hurt JJ and this new Trek team to do a viewing of those episodes.
S.A.T. Question #2 by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:32:54 PM
If you were looking up the word "Hack" in the dictionary, whose name would you find as an example?
oh my dear spencertrilby by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:34:17 PM
just having fun here. I thought flamers had thicker skins. I'll be more gentle with you from now on. And thanks for going to see everything we do, even if you sneak in and hate it.
Bob. Gun. by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:35:35 PM
(Gunshot) Going to need a moment or two alone, boys.
SAT QUESTION #2 by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:36:33 PM
Wait, let me guess! BOB ORCI!
BTW by optimus122	Jan 5th, 2008 05:36:38 PM
MI:3 was pretty damn entertaining as was Transformers and Lost rules..what have you done with your life spencer besides make your parent hide in shame over what has become of their combined DNA. BOBORCI , the talkbackers are mostly assholes as you can clearly see..this place is all that is bad with the internet..everything is negative and everyone here thinks they are smarter then the professionals...heck most of these asswipes hate this site yet they live on here like little douchebags..I can't wait for the movie , I know its going to be far better then anything we have seen lately from that franchise.
Oh, I'm sorry. The correct answer to S.A.T. #2 was... by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:40:23 PM
Michael Bay. Yes, Michael Bay.
Hey Bob, here's a question ... by krack	Jan 5th, 2008 05:43:29 PM
When you two decided to have the Autobots "hide" in the kid's backyard in their robot forms (instead of on the street as cars) - who came up with that fucking winner of an idea? You or the mongoloid with the laptop sitting next to you? Or was it the jagoff who thinks flame paint jobs are hip and trendy?
S.A.T. Question #3 by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:44:10 PM
A writer in Hoolywood is A. Important B. Not Important C. A Tool D. A Closet Homosexual
lashlarue by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:44:32 PM
DAMN! Now you're going to tell me I'm not even on the top ten list of hacks, aren't you! WHY, GOD, WHY?!
SAT #3 by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:45:26 PM
That one I do know. All of the above.
Any time, Boborci by SpencerTrilby	Jan 5th, 2008 05:46:26 PM
but count me out for Transformers 2 - Starscream's revenge. Too busy playing MI3-related drinking games with my homies (like "1 pint every plot hole", or "Binge when you cringe") or comparing its dialogue with Team America's. I'll wait for The Island 2 instead.
Bob Orci by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:47:48 PM
No, seriously dude, you're cool. :) Good luck on the movie.
Word up, NoHubris by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 05:48:11 PM
DS9 was indeed much stronger than VOYAGER. VOYAGER was a missed opportunity-- think about it, a ship stranded in an unexplored part of space just to tuck tail and rush home. They were on the most depressing of all journeys. Where's the pioneering spirit in that? All I want out of this new movie is a return to that form. And make certain that Kirk is a legit hero, not a too-clever-for-his-own-good cad. Kirk is a military man with a generous heart. He inspires those around him. He's smart. And he's a persistent sonuvabitch. I'll be there for the new movie's opening no matter what, but I've been screwed over by Trek in the past. If this movie doesn't deliver, I'm not sure if I'll be back for more.
krack by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:50:09 PM
Me and the mongoloid sitting next to me came up with it together. Steven Spielberg's and Micahel Bay's favorite scene.
Is he gonna play emo boy acoustic guitar music... by Christopher3	Jan 5th, 2008 05:50:17 PM
Over slo-mo shots of the cast weeping? Cause that's what he does on Facility/Alias/Lost.
I've been downloading The Original Series on XBOX by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:51:34 PM
It's amazing how good those old episodes really were. Never really watched them before, untill now. Mirror, Mirror is my favorite one so far.
And will Paramount undo their HD-DVD esclusivity soon? by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 05:52:36 PM
Blu-Ray is going to win the war. Unless Bill Gates and a bunch of Romulans go back in time and kill off all of Sony.
spencertrilby by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 05:53:48 PM
wait just a minute... Starscream's Revenge!? Great idea! Mind if I use it?
Wow- "exclusivity" by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 05:54:28 PM
Effin' edit function, Harry. Please?
a celebrity on a tb? by ironic_name	Jan 5th, 2008 05:56:07 PM
and you guys aren't fellating him? madness!
off topic by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:56:07 PM
What's Tom Cruise doing at the Redskins vs. Seattle game?
I wish Romulans would go back in time and by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 05:56:07 PM
tell me to order the beef at that last wedding I went to in August. The chicken was terrible!
Ironic_Name by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 05:59:37 PM
Define Celebrity.
Hey Bob Orci, who's a bigger douchebag? by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 05:59:46 PM
John Logan (BATS, STAR TREK: NEMESIS) or Akiva Goldsman (BATMAN & ROBIN, LOST IN SPACE)?
"Me and the mongoloid sitting next to me" by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 06:00:15 PM
I dont say this often because I hate typing it, but ... ROFLMFAO Hey Yack what's doin up north?
Lashlarue by YackBacker	Jan 5th, 2008 06:00:38 PM
Proving he doesn't suck dick for fun.
KIRK HAZ A BEER AND CHEETS ON YEOMAN RAND! by ironic_name	Jan 5th, 2008 06:02:34 PM

OH, THE NEW TREK WILL FEATURE TIME TRAVEL? by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 06:03:57 PM
How fucking original! Bob, you genius! Are Harve Bennet and Nicholas Meyer still alive? How's about getting them to make this movie so it can be ... what's that word I'm looking for ... oh yeah .. good.
Akiva Goldsman by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 06:04:11 PM
One word: Dreamcatcher
Lashlarue by ironic_name	Jan 5th, 2008 06:04:37 PM
tom was suckin some dick in the lockers. or using his MIND BULLETS to KILL UNBELIEVERS!
HEY BOB ORCI - DO YOU SMELL YOUR OWN FARTS? by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 06:05:46 PM
Maybe it's time to stop as it's obviously affecting your ability to be a writer.
yackbacker by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 06:05:59 PM
missed your question earlier. If you really wanna read a lot about what we've had to say go to TREKMOVIE.COM.
HOW ABOUT INFUSING SOME PHASER KATA IN STAR TREK? by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 06:08:09 PM
For background on this exciting concept, see TBers Grammaton Cleric Binks or Xiphos.
My cousin is a mongoloid. by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 06:08:51 PM
That hurts, Bob.
the portrayal of Spock will make or break the film. by George Newman	Jan 5th, 2008 06:11:29 PM
Seeing Quinto onscreen with Nimoy will highlightthe chops and gravitas that he will seriously have to make up for. Simple mimicry will not suffice for a believable Spock. the portrayal of Spock will make or break the film.
off topic by Lashlarue	Jan 5th, 2008 06:11:58 PM
Go Redskins!
HEY BOB ORCI DO YOU WRITE WITH A COMPUTER OR CRAYONS by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 06:15:04 PM
on toilet paper?
bringsexyback by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 06:15:36 PM
Good One! Nice to see your ability is unaffected.
PHASER KATA = DEATH BLOSSOM by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 06:16:11 PM
I know you know nothing about Death Blossom, Bob Orci ... that's a reference for real sci-fi fans.
bringsexyback by Boborci	Jan 5th, 2008 06:16:15 PM

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