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Updated! Brandon Routh Is Evidently Still The Man Of Steel!

SR SUCKED! Good riddance! by BanannaHammock	Jan 4th, 2008 09:09:53 PM
YUP
I was FIRST!!!! by BanannaHammock	Jan 4th, 2008 09:11:43 PM
Who gives a FUCK??? Got an HD-DVD Player 12/25/07. It became a dead technology on 01/04/2007. Glad I kept my reciept!
I'm calling bullshit on this one by performingmonkey	Jan 4th, 2008 09:13:03 PM
I bet you anything there's just been some crossed wires and some over-excited, Routh-hating cunt saw that he's not doing Justice League and has these masturbatorial fantasies in his head of someone other than that 'weedy model' filling out those tights. It's bullshit. Why recast when Routh was right? It wouldn't happen unless Routh refused to return or couldn't for some reason. And would they recast Lois too? No. Go back to sleep.
There is a very small percentage of the population... by mraig	Jan 4th, 2008 09:13:14 PM
Who happen to look exactly like Superman. Christopher Reeve was one. Brandon Routh is another. Probably not the smartest thing to let him go if you've got him.
Took You Long Enough by PickedUp	Jan 4th, 2008 09:13:21 PM

Whoops by Captain Hollywood	Jan 4th, 2008 09:13:35 PM
Our bad - Warner
This is old fucking news by PickedUp	Jan 4th, 2008 09:13:59 PM
Ain't it... variety articles.
Routh was great by skywalkerfamily	Jan 4th, 2008 09:14:35 PM
I hope the Superman sequel bombs. Why go through all the trouble of getting ANOTHER person?
C-YA! by A-COD	Jan 4th, 2008 09:15:03 PM
No loss here, Superman Returns was awful. WB is doing the right thing. Hopefully Singer is next. They had a chance and they blew it.
Stupid move... by spectrebeeyatch	Jan 4th, 2008 09:15:37 PM
He was PERFECT. Sure SR lacked action but he still was very strong and deserves a second film. Fuck JLA movie because of this bs "youn casting" I don't want babies playing my super heroes. I hope that shit bombs and bombs hard.
Can't say there's much hope for Supes anyway by Han Cholo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:15:53 PM
I think in this day and age Superman might be the only wholesome superhero character. So much that he's pretty much without flaw which is why I think Singer slapped super-kid in there which did not work and was quite frankly, pretty awful. But the thing is Superman isn't an interesting character anyway, unlike Batman who has many flaws and is the most human of all heroes, super or otherwise. Me, I'll be waiting to see what they do with Dark Knight and I'm sure Nolan won't let us down.
good by Funk4America	Jan 4th, 2008 09:16:17 PM
fire everybody on the POS film
So you're tellin me there's a chance! by droids22	Jan 4th, 2008 09:16:25 PM
I look at this way at least there's a chance we can a great Superman movie. Since there will never be another Star Wars film ever our chances for an Empire Strikes Back killer are gone.
Singer by ForkTongue	Jan 4th, 2008 09:17:37 PM
His style didn't bring much so I don't mind if he leaves the Supes sequel. I just wish he would have stuck with the completion of the Xmen trilogy.
I told you so (enjoyed saying that) by krack	Jan 4th, 2008 09:17:54 PM
All you Singer pole-smokers ready to admit yet that there will be no Superman Returns sequel? The studio has simply put it in Japanese inspection. Routh was the only thing in the film done right - if he's gone, there's absolutely nothing left.
Brandon Routh by nicky	Jan 4th, 2008 09:20:16 PM
Moriarty - I agree with most of what I remember from your review. The entire cast (well, maybe minus Kate Bosworth) might have been fine with a different story. It was like Singer somehow convinced the studio to make a sequel about an older, more jaded Lois & Clark - and the studio convinced Singer to cast young, teen audience friendly faces as if it was a re-boot. The two ideas were incompatible.
Routh was great as Superman. by Rev. Slappy	Jan 4th, 2008 09:21:13 PM
Not so great as Clark Kent. I am one of the people who thought Superman Returns was flawed but and ultimately good film. Didn't Singer have a lot of problems with the studio on it? I know they shut the film down for a few weeks so everybody could decompress.
Isn't Singer doing like fifty other films anyway? by jimmy rabbitte	Jan 4th, 2008 09:21:17 PM
...so by the time he's ready to do another Superman, Routh will be old and grey... ...not to mention the fact that no script can even be written anyway...
I heard Singer was gone too... by Librerarian	Jan 4th, 2008 09:21:25 PM
...which would be a shame. I thought Routh was a serviceable Superman, but not excellent... they could probably find someone better. I feel that Singer, however, was just getting warmed up and would have delivered a really great sequel like he did with X2. Hopefully the studio will take a deep breath and give Singer another chance with this (and maybe a few Superman graphic novels).
Once again this site hates everything by skywalkerfamily	Jan 4th, 2008 09:21:42 PM
But loves shit like X 3 and Alien 3.
Retarded by ballyhoo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:22:11 PM
Fuck the idiots that act like Superman Returns sucked. I personally don't have any problems with it, in fact I love it, but the people who do dislike it go way overboard. Fuck WB for throwing way too much cash at SR to begin with, and then freaking out when they didn't get it back. Fuck WB again for not seeing that the one and only thing that most everybody seems to agree is that Routh was perfectly cast. Fuck fate now that it seems I won't see a sequel to SR and actually see where the story would go. Fuck fuck fuck.
agreed by tranpkp1	Jan 4th, 2008 09:22:46 PM
1. AICN was slow on this one? 2. Routh was NOT the problem w/ this movie but almost everything else was. 3. Spacey and Routh are terrifically cast. The rest weren't. Shoulda been more to the versions in the DCAU in Superman TAS/Justice League Unlimited. Between Superman 1-IV and SR, I feel like I've seen the same GD movie 5x.
I'm sorry... by Massage...Bored	Jan 4th, 2008 09:23:37 PM
...but didn't Supes Returns make it's moey back and then some? Isn't that a successful picture because sooooo many do not end up making their money back? Why does every reviewer say it was a monumental failure when it really wasn't? I'm really getting sick of reading a new update on the Man of Steel and having to sit through a paragraph of cheap digs on Returns. it wasn't fucking Ishtar!
This is both good news and bad news.... by Playkins	Jan 4th, 2008 09:23:55 PM
BAD because I thought Routh was GREAT as Superman. GOOD because it might mean we'll get an older, wiser-looking cast in general for the sequel. Just so long as Kate Bosworth isn't back as Lois. Bleeeechhh! Worst casting ever.
reboot the entire thing like The Hulk by wash	Jan 4th, 2008 09:24:15 PM
SR was horrible, and this is coming from someone who like every other Singer film in existence.
No Routh, no Supes by aboriginal	Jan 4th, 2008 09:24:16 PM
It's like Marvel trying to reboot the HULK. WTF? The fuck up isn't in the choice of the actor or the director, but in not resolving a script that satisfies both the popcorn munchers and the hardcore fans. Lucas still has it right that whatever you do you're not pleasing everyone and screw it and make what the fuck you want. Gee, w/o a dog of a flick what would ya'll have to bitch and moan about?
SR wasn't great by THE KNIGHT	Jan 4th, 2008 09:24:20 PM
But Routh worked well with the material he was given.
Superman sucked, but Routh didnt. by BMacSmith	Jan 4th, 2008 09:24:23 PM
He channeled Reeve perfectly. A proper SUperman movie would probably take a gigantic budget, and it won't get one. shame.
Routh was good, the movie sucked BALLS!! by TallBoy66	Jan 4th, 2008 09:24:59 PM
Yeah, that flick was horrible, too bad about Routh, though, he showed promise. When he wasn't peeping or catching stuff, that is.
Routh was hand stroked by Singer himself by dogphart3000	Jan 4th, 2008 09:25:23 PM
Singer is now looking for his Brokeback Mountain after he finishes with the queer nazi thing
SUPERMAN CURSE??? by THE KNIGHT	Jan 4th, 2008 09:27:53 PM
Is this another case of the Superman Curse???????
Routh was the best thing in SUPERMAN LIFTS THINGS. by MaxTheSilent	Jan 4th, 2008 09:29:33 PM
Because Kate Bosworth was woeful as Lois Lane and Kevin Spacey didn't look like he knew where he was half the time. Who spends $300 million dollars on an action-less superhero movie? Maybe Lex Luthor should have been a Kryptonian after all.
Listen.... by BetaRayBill07	Jan 4th, 2008 09:29:39 PM
This is a shame. First, the guy friggin' channeled Christopher Reeve- especially as Kent. Next, does anyone out there understand why Returns was like it was? Singer had to reintroduce Supes to another generation. Yes the film has its issues I get it. But......ugh Routh was the bright spot next to Spacey as Luthor. Kevin should hold out of the sequel in protest. This sucks.
Another case of .... by irrelevntelefant	Jan 4th, 2008 09:29:46 PM
headupassitis routh and spacey were great casting, but the script was very "chick flick"
haha ah yes good ole SUPERMAN LIFTS THINGS... by BMacSmith	Jan 4th, 2008 09:35:24 PM
with a shard of kryptonite in his back. Very stupid.
Routh was perfect by skywalkerfamily	Jan 4th, 2008 09:35:48 PM
He acted great in the part, and he was one of the best things about that movie. The movie had a great cast, but the story kinda sucked.
Sad news if..... by Zerofun	Jan 4th, 2008 09:37:06 PM
Its confirmed.. Routh was a great Reeves follow up .. better than that weasel from Hellboy they where saying was going to play supes in the JLA movie(not sure what the latest news on that is). Routh was good and superman returns was ok .. i think getting rid of singer and Routh is a mistake .. just look at how good X2 was after the original. I just think it would suck for Routh to get dumped given that this was his first big role and he did a good job .. he deserves another shot.
Routh was right for Singer's vision, but... by Gwai Lo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:37:06 PM
He's not going to work in a film that isn't a Dick Donner circle jerk. I was really skeptical about him when he was first cast, I thought he was too young and not lantern-jawed enough. When Superman Returns finally came out I was suprised to find that he was one of the most successful things about the film. But I don't think Singer should be allowed another shot at Superman because he clearly doesn't understand the character, and if it's not Singer's movie then I doubt Routh will work in whatever the new context is. I would say just scrap Superman Returns, forget trying to tie it in with Justice League (or American Heroes or whatever bullshit they're calling it now) and do a completely different angle. My suggestion? Make Superman old and jaded, make the people turn against him by declaring him some sort of fascist overlord, make Lex Luthor the president, and then present Supes with some big insurmountable foe to beat that will win the people back. I would suggest Doomsday, but I don't want to see them get into the whole Death and Return of Superman debacle.
by Omar B	Jan 4th, 2008 09:37:46 PM
I really do hope this is a rumor because he's an amazing Superman, I can't see anyone else stepping in and doing the part as well ... unless they bring Chris back. You've got supporters Brandon!
just admit.. by soup74	Jan 4th, 2008 09:37:58 PM
this is the smarest thing they couldve done. people want to enjoy a souperman movie, but singer painted himself into too many corners.
DWAYNE JOHNSON FOR SUPES!!! POWERS BOOTHE FOR BATS!!! by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 09:38:56 PM
As much as I'd like to see the Smallvillecast (with a returning John Schneider) get a shot at a bigscreen spinoff (even with it being ultra-shitty right now), it's highly unlikely it'll happen. Maybe a straight to dvd flick, but other than that? I'm not holding my breath. The way it's lookin', we'll probably get a solo flick of the JLA Supes before any Returns sequel or a Smallville film. Which is sad, because as much as I despised Returns, I loved the introduction of the "son" storyline, and if they don't get to continue that at some point it'll be a real shame. There's so many ways you could tackle that revelation. How could you possibly say "no" to a event that has more potential than anything in the properties history? I'm not flatout against any of the directions WB has took (after seeing Fox's efforts, it could be worse), but I am a little disappointed that they can't seem to make up their minds on what to do with it. A little retconning (and actual support) here and there would fix Smallville. A little cast tinkering (Lois, White) and having Singer on a tighter leash would fix any Returns sequel (Please, no more odes to Donner and Star Trek, it's getting old.). But Warner Bros., from my perspective, has just throws up their arms whenever an attempt to relaunch the franchise gets some bad word of mouth and are to eager to take the time to go another direction than correct past mistakes. (I kinda wish Fox was like that with X-men though.)
'souperman'? by soup74	Jan 4th, 2008 09:39:06 PM
why did i type that? i wasnt even making a joke.
I don't buy the whole by Gwai Lo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:41:01 PM
"reintroducing Supes to a younger generation" thing. Who doesn't know who Superman is? 3 year olds know who he is. Do you know any three your olds that would sit still through Superman Returns? It would have been a better idea for them to actually re-introduce Superman, rather than catering to a decades old fanbase that probably doesn't care how much Routh looks like Reeve. Either do it Begins style and reboot the whole thing from scratch, or just show us something different than what we've seen before while keeping the basic motifs and characters intact. Continuing where Superman II kind of left off was a bad idea, can you imagine if Christopher Nolan had tried to make a sequel to Batman Returns?
Kinda sad by beetlegeuse	Jan 4th, 2008 09:41:13 PM
cuz Justice League will be twice as bad as Superman Returns
fucking retarded by Judge Briggs	Jan 4th, 2008 09:42:44 PM
Good going Warner's... make him the scapegoat to a movie that did just fine... fucking re-re-s... almost very Fox of them!
Routh was the only good thing in Superman. by ganymede3010	Jan 4th, 2008 09:43:34 PM
Eventhough I adore Kevin Spacey he is no Gene Hackman. Routh was the only source of light in this 200 minute borefest!
Weren't they going to cast Rupert Evans as Supes in JLA? by Gwai Lo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:44:04 PM
He's not even six feet tall, and he played the milktoast loser in Hellboy. Good call, WB.
Gwai Lo by Zerofun	Jan 4th, 2008 09:44:17 PM
Having doomsday in a superman movie will lower it to the level of AVP-R IMO.. A mindless beast with allot of strength doesn't make for a good epic story.. or at least it would be hard. And we dont want to go the way of Spiderman-3 and batman and robin with the multiple baddies. I think there has to be better bad guys in supes rogue gallery. maybe brainaic..dark sied.. i wish they could do Zod .. that would be a sick remake .. hes one of the best bad guys because he has the brains and the brawn to back it up.
NIC CAGE NIC CAGE! by Series7	Jan 4th, 2008 09:46:02 PM
Nic Cage Nic Cage Nic Cage!!!!!!! OH please say it is going to happen!!!!!!!!!!
Am I the only one who LIKED Superman Returns? by TheSeeker7	Jan 4th, 2008 09:47:03 PM
Granted I didn't absolutely love it (then again few films I do) but I've never understood all the hatred for it, especially seeing as we got a competent director on it that we wanted, and that they didn't wind up handing over the keys to someone like McG. Yea it had some flaws but I felt it was enjoyable.
Routh was a such a good Supes by ZO	Jan 4th, 2008 09:47:18 PM
that hes been in absolutely nothing since and doesn't even get callbacks for any A list role. Anyone else find that suspect?
"Nolan had tried to make a sequel to Batman Returns" by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 09:48:33 PM
That's exactly what he should have done in terms of the look. The DC films are assbackwards. Supes should be a fantasy character in a realistic world, Bats should be just the opposite.
Routh was perfect. by Bellock	Jan 4th, 2008 09:50:01 PM
And the film was great. Didn't it earned more money than "Batman Begins" ? So what's the problem ? Does Warner wants to come back to Catwoman's age ? That would be a shame. Let's hope it's just a stupid rumor and Singer and Routh will be back.
Zerofun by Gwai Lo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:50:07 PM
I just brought up Doomsday as an example as a formidable foe that can actually give Supes a run for his money, but the other ones you mentioned do as well. Bottom line, Supes has to actually fight someone in the next movie. Lex should always be a presence, but whether its General Zod or Brainiac Superman needs someone with actual powers to go up against. Otherwise, you get "Superman Lifts Things" as others have mentioned. The epic story shouldn't come solely from the presence of the villain, I think the other tentative plot points I brought up would provide enough dramatic tension.
The more I think about it, the kids will LOVE the Justice League by ganymede3010	Jan 4th, 2008 09:50:31 PM
Us grown folk will hate it. But the teenagers will make it a sucsess. What sad day that will be.
Mr Saxon by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 09:51:57 PM
Singer DID NOT "let X-3 turn into the pile of shit". He was driven away from that project.
The original report on Variety also claims "The Dark Knight" wil by Hammer2Fall	Jan 4th, 2008 09:53:40 PM
I'm calling bullshit on the whole thing based solely on that.
...will be rated PG. by Hammer2Fall	Jan 4th, 2008 09:54:13 PM
Fucking subject line cutoff.
They might have meant PG13 by Gwai Lo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:55:17 PM
Which is what Batman Begins was rated.
Routh is the Klinton Spilsbury of the 2st Century by Uncapie	Jan 4th, 2008 09:56:06 PM
And you know it!
With all the news & non news the DC flicks have... by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 09:56:58 PM
...been getting, when is Marvel (specifically the Paramount flicks) gonna throw us a bone? Isn't it about time we get a EW publicity shot of the Hulk model?
I'm beginning to doubt the Incredible Hulk will even make by Gwai Lo	Jan 4th, 2008 09:58:53 PM
its release date. Isn't the Hulk like... a complicated CG character? They're still filming that badboy and it's due out around the same time as the Dark Knight, which doesn't have nearly as much post production work to complete. I'm saying that based on the fact that Nolan uses CG sparingly
JLA is going to be _______ by Zerofun	Jan 4th, 2008 10:00:03 PM
L A M E. Is going to be Smallville with more heros. It will make money... and it will most likely suck. you cant have that many great hero's in a movie unless the movie is 4 hours long. this movie will run 90mins for the A.D.D youth. Why the hell is the director from HAPPY FEET doing it unless they want to aim it at a young audience ? I want more gladiator style hero movies .. Batman begins touched on it, they tried with superman returns, and hulk which i think both where ok but could have been better .. why cant we get more quality like that .. SR and Hulk may have been boring .. but ill watch them 10 times before i watch ghost rider or fantastic four. i hate to say it but for some reason i judge a movie by its run time .. the further under 2 hours a movie is the more it sucks. i usually wont see a movie under 90 minutes.. seriously .. look at your favroite movies and there run times .. there is a trend .. for me anyway.
Routh needs to come back! by Kirbymanly	Jan 4th, 2008 10:00:17 PM
He was definately the best thing about that film (as well as the plane sequence)
Welling will be the new Supes... by Philvis	Jan 4th, 2008 10:00:47 PM
With the Smallville season ending at episode 15 and Kristin Kreuk already leaving to do that Streetfighter movie, that is the greenlight for Welling. Word on the street was that that WB really wanted him, but there was a scheduling issue and possibly something to do with Gough and Miller holding things up. The casting announcement delay is possibly due to WB waiting for Welling to be freed up and the writers strike seems to have done that. I would definitely put my money on Welling taking the helm now and that is a good thing. Of all the names mentioned as possible JLA Superman, name me one that made any sense at all other than Welling. No one else came even close to fitting the bill. I feel bad for Routh because Singer signed his death warrant with that 2 hour homage to Donner's Superman. He should have started from scratch and made it original instead of a Christopher Reeve tribute film.
Welling sucks. by Zerofun	Jan 4th, 2008 10:03:45 PM
I liked him at first .. but Routh is a better actor and the writing on smallville has made welling in to a pansy of a superman.. hes a knob.
Bring Routh back by kafka07	Jan 4th, 2008 10:05:28 PM
Singer sucks. Welling sucks. But Routh isn't so bad.
Can we all agree now that "Returns" was a failure? by uss cygnus	Jan 4th, 2008 10:06:00 PM
Singer...go back to "X-Men". Please. "Hello, Moira. Charles?" DEMANDS resolution.
That movie will be Blu-Ray Exclusive by dtpena	Jan 4th, 2008 10:06:07 PM
The war is over!
Hey, if WB wants MELTING OWL, I'm all for it. by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 10:09:34 PM
But, they're gonna need to retcon out the wahzoo to make that happen.
Routh a better actor? by Philvis	Jan 4th, 2008 10:09:54 PM
I am sorry, but I didn't hate SR. I also didn't think it was great. I think a great opportunity was blown and it went from potentially being a blockbuster to something of an average film. I really can't see how you can say Routh is a better actor than Welling. Routh didn't have much acting to do in SR. I think he was beat into submission to mimic Christopher Reeve, so I cannot call his performance great acting. It was merely a great impersonation. He wasn't given the opportunity to truly act in that film. I am not saying Welling can command a Oscar worthy movie, but his acting has dramatically improved the past couple seasons of Smallville. He has been exuding Superman on that show for over a season now. I think Welling would bring more to the table than bringing in anyone else. He knows the character better than anyone at this point. Sure he may get typecast, but Welling can't eat from making The Fog and Cheaper By the Dozen movies his whole life.
in a better world (but not perfect) by future help	Jan 4th, 2008 10:12:27 PM
Singer would of directed X3 and Wolfgang Peterson would of directed Supes.
Variety was reporting both Singer and Routh were Gone by MMacKK	Jan 4th, 2008 10:14:02 PM
And what a fucking poor decision.
uss cygnus by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 10:14:24 PM
Nah, IF he does go back, which I doubt he would for various reasons, including the fact that Fox doesn't need him (as seen with X3's gross), he should pull another Superman Returns and make that proposed X3-X4 doubleshot.
Mad! by MMacKK	Jan 4th, 2008 10:15:18 PM
Good news on the update!
They gotta bring UNSOCIABLE HAMMER along as well as... by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 10:18:31 PM
Glover, Mack, and Schneider. It wouldn't be right that the people that carried the show all these years get the shaft.
Retarded ballyhoo by igotbigballs	Jan 4th, 2008 10:25:19 PM
Fuck idiots who say people who say SR sucked are idiots. It DID suck. Singer SUCKS too. His X-Men movies were mediocre at best
Why the World Doesn’t Need Superman by Gorgomel	Jan 4th, 2008 10:27:23 PM
because SR sucks!
ROUTH = FALL GUY by Mullah Omar	Jan 4th, 2008 10:28:12 PM
Routh was good as Superman and I don't blame him at all for the rest of the film - which I thought was mediocre at best. If anything, the studio should have fired Singer and kept Routh; the buck stopped with Singer, not Routh. I wish Routh the best of luck - and I wish Singer would get back to making better films.
Oh, well how about that... by Mullah Omar	Jan 4th, 2008 10:31:04 PM
The story has now been updated and it turns out our chains were yanked.
We'll see Routh again. by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 10:31:47 PM
Chances are he'll be in the Warcraft flick at some capacity.
BIG MISTAKE!! by CeejayNightwing	Jan 4th, 2008 10:32:31 PM
Singers SR was both closure and reintroduction to a Superman for today's audience even though the film lacked enough major action spectacle. Brandon Routh was simply the best Suprman ever to fill the role, i grew up in the 70 with everyone proclaiming Chris Reeve as fantastic but he was cheesy as hell and other than his great face, he was a cornball superman with half a physique. Same goes for Margot Kidder as Lois Lane, she was goofy, bow-legged and not exactly pretty to look at. In terms of doing what Lois Lane was supposed to do, NONE OF THE BIG SCREEN LOIS LANES EVER DID THAT, no real investigative reporting into the villan's plans or unveiling his plots etc, getting captured and having Supes come to save her - EXCEPT Kate Bosworth, so diss her all you want but she actually performed the only decent Lois Lane character onscreen without looking like an anorexic bunny rabbit in a skirt! I say kick Singer off the project but keep Brandon he was superb! Kate was great but i'd rather they recast with an actress who doesn't have to dye her hair just to be a brunette. Give the writing duties for the next Superman film to people who know what they are doing like Paul Dini or Rich Fogel, and give directing duties to someone like Michael Bay who's no nonsense, quick at completeing shoots and likes to deliver spectacle with an extra bang. Yes, Bay directs like he's making a Coke commercial but this is Superman, not Citizen Kane! Whatever happens, KEEP BRANDON ROUTH, he's a godsend, the man got his body language perfectamundo when performing the flying scenes, way better than the cheesy poses of Chris Reeve and more true to the character in the comic. Singers excellent homage to the Richard Donners Superman is done with and its time to move on, so now give Brandon Routh a chance to progress the character past that particular hiccup WB! (and kill the son of Superman in the next movie, just don't pretend it all never happened like they did with ang Lees Hulk, that's just juvenile)
Well fudge. by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 10:33:30 PM
Thanks for killing that one glimmer of hope Mori.
Thank God I created an account just to react to this by SachMan	Jan 4th, 2008 10:35:46 PM
Good personally I liked Returns sure it was not amasing but it had a lot of ground to lay if it were continuing of the original Donner movies. Fact is you know Singer will bring out the awsomness in the next outting just look at his X men films, and even if he does not return then whoever they get can just focus on making a Great action pact movie, Fact is Routh is the BEST chioce and they should Stick by him, regarless of the director, JLA thou sounds like the biggest TURD waiting to happen but hey, I just hate it when they replace actors in big movie franchies for no reason (HULK) when all they really had to do was make a better sequal rather than forget the whole thing happened, I meanif your gonna forget the shit then at least wait a few years or a decade so audience can stomach another reicarnation off HULK Sups whatever. Hell these superhero movies are getting way too overblown these days any
Meh... by The Scarlet Claw	Jan 4th, 2008 10:37:14 PM
The cast of Smallville SHOULD have been given the Supes franchise. Routh playing Reeves is just embarrasing. Wellig's Clark has dignity and depth, Lex is spot on, and the women in Supes life are perfect. Not only that, but Wellig playing Supes in a Batman teamup would be perfect if the perfect Dark Knight were cast as an older, wiser, darker and nastier foil. There has only ever been one Batman for me, and before you say nay nay, watch the film where this guy plays a chef traveling on a train with his daughter/neice, (I forget which). It's a GREAT Batman movie, without Batman. Steven Segal. There...I said it. The jawline, the delivery, the physical precense and badd assary. Damned if he ain't Miller's Batman.
How about asking that "very high-ranking mole"... by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 10:38:53 PM
...if Bosworth is coming back. We need Anne Hathaway as Lois Lane, regardless as to who is playing Supes.
Meh 2...The Re-mehing by The Scarlet Claw	Jan 4th, 2008 10:39:11 PM
And furthermore, Superman Returns was an insult.
I also liked Routh by Eaglet1138	Jan 4th, 2008 10:39:59 PM
The only problem with SR was the ending, it needed to be something bigger. But I'd love to see a sequel, even with the same team.
Supermans II and III were the insults by skywalkerfamily	Jan 4th, 2008 10:46:17 PM
Cheesy shitty sequels. IV also sucked.
Hackman vs. Spacey by DougMcKenzie	Jan 4th, 2008 10:52:03 PM
Hackman's Luthor was arrogant, boastful, smiling, opportunistic, and distrustful (and had low expectations) of others. Spacey's was cold, sociopathic, managerial, calculating, and enterprising. While both would reach the same plan; Hackman's would get it right away, miss most of the flaws thinking it was genius, and involve as little people as possible; Spacey's would work it out over time, add redundancy and back-uos, then set his henchmen in motion only to have the human factor screw it up. To illustrate the opening scene, when Spacey said "The rest is mine" coldly looking away and leaving, Hackman would say it smiling and tell the old ladies family to leave "His" property. Spacey's might have worked better with less of a dragging story, but it just add more to the dullness and lack of charisma to the movie.
Routh wasn't the problem with SR by Funketeer	Jan 4th, 2008 10:55:49 PM
Singer was.
LATINO REVIEW = RETARDS by Mose Schrute	Jan 4th, 2008 10:58:06 PM
Isn't this the site that continued to insist J.J. Abrams was off the STAR TREK movie -- even after J.J. repeatedly confirmed to Harry that Latino Review's "scoop" was a load of shit? If so, please don't waste any more of our time with more links to Latino Review's embarrassing "exclusives."
A great "What If" topic by california_mtz	Jan 4th, 2008 11:08:05 PM
What if Singer never left X3 to go make Superman? Then, X3 would have been good and Superman would have been better or at least not have been resigned to limbo status after $300 Million was spent on it. Now, the X franchise and the Superman franchise are both tainted. Sigh, if only someone could go back in time like the ghost of Christmas future and alert Singer to the travesty of his deciding to leave X3 for Supes...
Y'know, that doesn't make any sense at all. by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 11:12:35 PM
"Right now, Routh is still Warner's choice to return if they make another stand-alone SUPERMAN film." If Justice League is as big a hit as they hope it will be, and given the fact that there's already spinoff flicks in the works. Why would they continue Returns? The next stand alone Supes flick would most certainly star the JLA actor. Sure they say Routh is still in NOW, but I'm wiling to bet they'll drop him if his thing's successful.
Why hasn't Routh been in anything else? by joeelliott	Jan 4th, 2008 11:25:15 PM
... because he can't act - plain and simple. He was picked on looks (Mori's wife's actions only strengthen this). I'm not saying that Superman needs to be trained in Shakespeare, but he should be able to carry a scene or two and not be upstaged by all the pretty things brought to you by way of computer.
After all these talkback posts..... by wackybantha	Jan 4th, 2008 11:27:57 PM
....the story is bogus!!! Hilarious!!!
I doubt there will be a sequel by Jack Colby	Jan 4th, 2008 11:31:14 PM
They are probably not kicking anyone put yet because there aren't any plans for the movie to be made. No sense in announcing people not being involved when there's nothing to be involved with is there?
Welling is the best by messi	Jan 4th, 2008 11:39:39 PM
With Smallville heading more into Superman direction, Welling is playing more 'Superman' and even if it's little, he completely nails it and you believe it. When he saved that kid at the damn, it was just a nod but man was it perfect. And when he confronts Bizarro knowing he is beyond his limits, also perfect. The thing with Welling is that the hard part of the character is a believable Clark Kent, a post crisis one at least and that one he comepletly nails, he makes him a realistic person that isn't campy and boy scout or a 'square'. He is just a decent human being with a heart of gold, an everyman with neutral tastes in everything(apolitical, doesn't like music or movies) who just does the right thing. Season 7 has especially shown this with Clark. He is the post crisis Clark Kent and if he nails that, being the public heroic persona of Supes shouldn't be too hard.
FACT: Justice League without Routh and Bale will suck! by J-Dizzle	Jan 4th, 2008 11:39:41 PM
You know its true, especially if Bale isn't involved.
but no Welling for this horseshit by messi	Jan 4th, 2008 11:40:10 PM
fuck that, no association with this teen titans movie.
Rosenbaum's Luthor is God by messi	Jan 4th, 2008 11:48:41 PM
comepletly annihilates Hackman and Spacey's pathetic jokes. A completely realistic Villain who becomes evil over a long time, not a light switch like the comics. Fascinating portrayal, has put Luthor up there with Dr Doom.
It was the best news for the 70th Anniversary of Supes. by hank henshaw	Jan 4th, 2008 11:54:42 PM
Bryan Singer simply doesn't get what Superman is about (besides lifting stuff). The next Superman movie should be based on the slightly less flawless "Byrne version" of the character. A Superman movie inspired by another Superman movie that was inspired in the Silver Age Superman, in this day and age, was a bad idea. LexCorp CEO Lex Luthor > Petty criminal Luthor. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out who thought that Supes having a kid was a great idea to have in film.
Rosenbaum's Luthor is God, but... by Shermdawg	Jan 4th, 2008 11:56:08 PM
...his scenes with Lana over the past two seasons have been awful.
I just got off the phone with HD DVD by Trik_Ster	Jan 5th, 2008 12:07:23 AM
they said they were winning the format war. They said if I posted the news here I'd get a BIG PHAT CHEQUE.
The only bad thing about SR was... by cornponious	Jan 5th, 2008 12:10:44 AM
that they used the same plot as in the original movie. Same old thing. Lex Luthor wants real estate, and he tries to kill Superman with kryptonite. And there are missles. Boring.
Routh Is Dry. But Superman For Sure by Frodo T. Baggins	Jan 5th, 2008 12:29:25 AM
Not to mention a good person. And I qoute "As long as they keep making Superman movies. I will be in them" That touched me because. Fuck. Why wouldnt Tobey Maguire or any of the X-men be so devoted? Hes got character.
Steven Seagal for Batman!?! by otm shank	Jan 5th, 2008 12:42:17 AM
Inspired casting Scarlet Claw. I can see him now with his belly hanging over his utility belt. In one thrilling white knuckle scene we could watch him split his tights at the ass when he attemps to crawl into the batmobile. I LOVE IT!!
I'm sick of "High Ranking Moles" by Philvis	Jan 5th, 2008 12:44:08 AM
Ask your mole what the hell is up with the JLA cast. If he/she can't answer that, I know they are full of it talking about how they know who is doing what for a sequel/standalone film that doesn't even have a script or anything yet.
Steven Seagal's Batman... by Philvis	Jan 5th, 2008 12:48:23 AM
His Robin would definitely have to be a rapper with a foul attitude.
Routh's Acting by darkkelt	Jan 5th, 2008 12:53:37 AM
if you look at the behind the scenes on the hd dvd or dvd of superman returns you can see brandon routh can most certainly act and has real presence when he moves. the problem was the script and what he was asked to do and the way he was shot. having him be still and having the camera always moving around him like he was a god sucked the humanity and soul out of the film. in the original it was who are you. I'm a friend. in this film it was all about how jesus/alien/god like he was. it was possible to create conflict without this. riffing off the original designs and using marlon brando was a great idea. redoing the plot from the original was a bad one. nothing against kate bosworth but she was wrong for that part. young actresses in hollywood right now seem to be lipgloss and very little else. she was too young and just didn't have the experience or chops to play that character. better casting would have been maggie gylanhall. I'd believe she was a hard as nails reporter with a kid. even the kid stuff could have worked if handled right and could definitely be fixed in a sequel to give it emotional context thats not forced or sprung on people letting louise mingenbach fuck up the colors in the suit was a terrible idea and removing the symbol from the cape was too. it made us all smile to see that symbol large as life whether we saw superman from the front or back. I really hope warners retain the good things that were in the film and fix the things that were cocked up like the suit and the plot and the miscasting. bryan singer is a good director. based on usual suspects he's a great director. its just unfortunate his first big fuckup had to be with a character we all love so much I do hope warners don't make the mistake of just throwing the whole idea out and going back to the crappy ideas they wouldn't greenlight for 10 years. we need a sequel. we need one that repairs the fuck ups , casts brandon, shoots him the right way. recasts the parts of lois lane gets the right story with the right mood , the original music with the right colors. they weren't afraid to recast the katie holmes part , they shouldn't be afraid to recast lois. if I was to describe SR it would be muddy and muted in every way. something superman should never be. he should have texture sure. be he needs to be bold and bright
Notice that JL announcement never came? by captboulder	Jan 5th, 2008 12:53:40 AM
Lucky the writers strike is still going on!
I'm with the majority by Varakor	Jan 5th, 2008 12:54:28 AM
In that SR was really bad. Routh and Spacey were great though. But warner should consider a big screen smallville movie where Welling finally gets the chance to wear the cape. Maybe toss in an appearance by Bruce Wayne (it can be his return to Gotham and passing through smallville), easiest 100 plus mil weekend ever made. That way WB can end the SR line and start with something fresh. Maybe a new trilogy based around smallville series. I think it can work.
Sorry meant that JL casting announcements! by captboulder	Jan 5th, 2008 12:56:18 AM
nuff said!
I want another Superman movie more than Batman by futureman3000	Jan 5th, 2008 01:01:23 AM
I want Superman Returns 2.
Only thing wrong with SR was... by onephatnelly	Jan 5th, 2008 01:30:30 AM
Kevin Spacey. Don't get me wrong, I adore KS but thought he was all wrong for Lex Luthor. There was no humour and charm in his portrayal IMHO. He phoned his performance in. Brandon Routh, however, was great casting and the movie wasn't as bad as some of the fanboys make out. I'd definitely want to see Man of Steel made, but without Spacey.
Superman Returns 2 ... the shithole from whence it came by Live.	Jan 5th, 2008 01:31:37 AM
Anyone who wasn't brain dead knew the sequel wasn't happening.
Why wasn't Parker Posey cast as Lois Lane? by Live.	Jan 5th, 2008 01:35:39 AM
Because Singer is a douche, who cared more about respecting Donner than respecting Superman's characters.
RIP waxy Robo-Routh by Live.	Jan 5th, 2008 01:44:22 AM
you were a terrible actor and a worse Superman, but at least you had the generic handsomeness of a mall mannequin.
Just be thankful by onephatnelly	Jan 5th, 2008 01:46:29 AM
... that Brett Ratner didn't direct this. It would have sucked balls much worse than any effort by Singer.
Evidently by I am Batman	Jan 5th, 2008 02:10:36 AM
The Man of Steel is still a scrawny, squealing, mascara-wearing pussy.
Brad Bird's Superman by Live.	Jan 5th, 2008 02:15:46 AM
would please children and adults. It could keep the legacy alive for the next generation. If we want Superman to be vital and thriving into the far future, kids today need to learn to love him. Right now he is "old, tired, and boring" to them. Kids wear their Spiderman pajamas to bed, dreaming of Captain Jack battling Batman on the high seas. To them, Superman is just a character for old folks wrapped in nostalgia. That's just sad. There is no reason today's kids shouldn't love Superman as much as their parents and grand-parents. The bone structure of a great character is there. He just needs a great storytelling director and charismatic actor to flesh him out.
Can't wait... by I am Batman	Jan 5th, 2008 02:23:27 AM
to see Spacey take him from behind again. "Now fly." RETURNS couldn't have been gayer even if it had been internet porn featuring a furry guy in leather, slobbering on a bodybuilder's jockstrap.
muscle suit wearing imposter by Prossor	Jan 5th, 2008 02:36:54 AM
can't even go through a rigorous bodybuilding routine like Reeve did. i guess they're only somewhat into the roles as much these days.
I thought Routh was awesome. by WONKABAR	Jan 5th, 2008 02:57:40 AM
And yes, JL with Bale and Routh would have been sweet. Marvel sounds like they have the right idea with Avengers
GEEK COMBINED EFFORTS by Kirbymanly	Jan 5th, 2008 03:05:46 AM
Regardless of what you think of "Superman Returns"... I think we're almost all in agreement that Routh is a pretty damn good Superman/Clark Kent, given what he had to work with. We've done it before and let's do it again... Raise your voice and to let them know that Routh needs another shot at this!
Philvis by TheRealMoriarty	Jan 5th, 2008 03:28:58 AM
They are completely different franchises, and the decision makers on each are different groups of people. They are on different development tracks, and I am only telling you that I am confident... MAN OF STEEL is not a dead issue and Routh is definitely in the picture at the moment.
Let's Pray It's Never Tom Welling by Queefer Bukkake	Jan 5th, 2008 04:10:26 AM
I'd take Danny Devito over Welling. Please don't ever let this reject play Superman.
glad he wasn't replaced by sum1 YOUNGER, but still would like ca by ironic_name	Jan 5th, 2008 04:12:00 AM

caveizel by ironic_name	Jan 5th, 2008 04:14:52 AM

brad bird sucks dick for loose change by ironic_name	Jan 5th, 2008 04:16:32 AM

Kirbymanly by messi	Jan 5th, 2008 04:23:32 AM
you mean a damn good christopher reeve impersonater. That was silver age bullshit. I hate the bumbling Clark. Welling's Clark is how it should be, one a few years down the track since he's a few years from Superman, but the idea is right.
Queefer Bukkake by messi	Jan 5th, 2008 04:27:15 AM
You know fuck all about Superman, Welling's Clark is a younger version of a post crisis Clark Kent. Jeph Loeb, Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch also agree. Suck a dick. Plus physically he is exactly like Superman.
Welling's Clark "a few years from Superman"? by Sledge Hammer	Jan 5th, 2008 04:58:30 AM
Welling is fucking 30 for Christ sakes, if he's still got a few years to go then he'll be retired by the time he wears a fucking cape. "oldest...Superboy...ever"
Superman Returns 2: Super kids united by Pipple	Jan 5th, 2008 05:06:28 AM

Superman Returns 2 .. angsting like a teenage emo girl by Live.	Jan 5th, 2008 05:15:10 AM
all waxy Routh needed was lots of black eyeliner to complete the feel. Even full on goth girl was beyond achieving for this limp dickless take on Superman.
Why are people reacting to Variety? by the ageless stranger	Jan 5th, 2008 05:19:07 AM
It doesn't actually SAY anything we didn't already know regarding Routh; "The next Superman we will see on the big screen will not be Brandon Routh, but a younger Superman among a cast of youthful superheroes in The Justice League." The NEXT Superman. It doesn't say anything about Routh definitely not being back for a stand-alone Superman film, it just says Singer won't be. (and I'm not believing that yet either) And we already knew that the JL film would be before the next Superman anyway, so what have they told us? Variety has done this before, where they post a story full of vague references, and the rest of the internet jumps on it, calling it fact. Until I hear something more reliable than a collaboration between Variety and a Latino Review mole, I'm not buying it.
FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!!! by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 06:03:23 AM
C'mon, AICN, let him back in! It's not like you banned him or anything. Fix his account! Cloverfield is almost upon us and we need the Cthulhu dance!
Superman Returns by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 5th, 2008 07:31:47 AM
one of the worst films i've ever seen in my life. Totally lifeless. Routh's not to blame though. Singer is.
Supermman Returns as in "Redux" by Stalkeye	Jan 5th, 2008 08:01:48 AM
Singer should have completed the XMen trilogy, and done us all a favor instead of having Ratner helm X(lax) 3. Another reason to hate on SR.
Why cast Routh? by Dr Gregory House	Jan 5th, 2008 08:03:02 AM
Lexington Steele IS the obvious choice.
will there even be a superman sequel? by BMacSmith	Jan 5th, 2008 08:39:20 AM
in ten years?
The real problem by SCUBADONC	Jan 5th, 2008 09:01:42 AM
Why don't we ever get to see superman's rogue's gallery in these movies? I love superman and love routh was great, but take a lesson from batman. His villians make him cool. Give us parasite! Hell, give us doomsday for one movie and the aftermath of supes' death for the next movie. Or go batman returns and focus the film on the villians. I think we've had enough of luthor.
glad theyre making JLA as elseworld by pipergates	Jan 5th, 2008 09:15:57 AM
the DC universe is rich enough to be handled in a variety of different styles. glad they realize Routh wasn't the problem too.
Singer was the problem, not the actors... by Freefinger	Jan 5th, 2008 09:25:13 AM
Even if I totally disliked the Lois Lane choice I still feel that Kate would've been an idiot to pass this opportunity when it was made to her. Some could also argue that she should've read the script before signing because it was clearly on paper that Lane would become the worst character to have ever grace the screens since she became a horrible mother and is ready to dump a man that helped her with her kid knowing full well that he was not the father, but that would be another post. Routh and Spacey for me were very good choices, spacey for the acting talent and Routh for the look(It'll be determined if he does have any acting skills in the next movie since SR had no actual lines or story for the main character). I'll blame Singer totally for this mess, him and his two idiots screenwriters. They tore the shit out of every character. 1) Jimmy: Even though they did a perfect replica of the 50's Jimmy, this is the new millennia so a more up to date and less "Oh gosh it's Clark!" character would've given the character some integrity, some reality and would not have looked so freaking ridiculously gayish. Look at what they did on Smallville, yes they made the younger guy the same age as the rest but he as more substance than a banana peel. 2) Perry: WTF!!! This is the guy who tears hole in the floor for a news story; in this one all he does is stand there and do nothing, then walks out of the building to see Superman grab the damn globe... The guy never even yells to his reporters to get the story all he does is look at them and says "Well.. What are you waiting for, go out there.." In a calm matter, WTF!!! That isn't Perry.. 3) Lane: Way too much issues for this one to even mention other than deadbeat mother who'll whore herself at Superman the first time she sees him over a good guy who helped her build a 20 million dollar house on a reporter's and helicopter pilot salaries... I'm guessing Singer didn't do his research on salaries. 4) Luthor: actually the only character that did not go thru a major change, so kinda good for that, but! If you're doing anew Superman movie, why not update the Main villain to the same status he has now in the comics? Make it that he got out of prison as they said, then went back to stealing and all that stuff and so that he wouldn’t get caught he built/stole an empire named/renamed it Luthor Corp and is seen by the public as one inmate that changed his ways so they now like him because he projects that people can change, yet he still does all of this evil crap in the background... Nope, they go with the story that makes him a billionaire by stealing a dying woman's money when we all know that any rich as hell family would've counter the testament and won since she signed it without proper legal representation and that the signature was done on her last breath which would make her unable to have done an objective choice. I guess when you get 12 year old retards to write your story you sort of miss those legal technicalities. 5) Superman/Clark: I'm still amazed that they were even part of this movie. Heck a maximum of 10 lines I think for the major character? Gotta be a record for a speaking lead role! He did nothing with this one; the damn guy returns from his dead world, he dresses back up as Clark and goes back to the old job, C'mon! Even Supe's gotta be depressed and you just can't just jump right back in like that. All the character does is stands on the farm, throws a baseball, then stands in the Planet building and looks like an idiot, goes for a beer with jimmy and whistles for a cab. Superman he saves a plane that is about to crash on the same day he came back (Wow talk about coincidence, if I inspected this one the first one I would talk to is the man himself "Explain to me why you come back and suddenly everything goes crazy, you must be behind all of this!"), then he flies around for a while saving the world again, then tries to mess up a relationship between Lois and White, peeps on them, become mad when he sees someone went into his crib but didn't clean up after MTV, goes to save the deadbeat mom who almost kills her son and the only man with some dignity in this movie... hell... this Superman his a disgrace to the legend they built. 6) that damn Kitty character: why.. why give Luthor another idiot girl? Make the character stronger give her an IQ that would be more realistic, not a challenger to a potato skin... 7) Kal Penn... Why even give the guy a role when you cut off everything and make him another idiot around Luthor... He's Indian at least make him do something that looks like he's using that brain! All of this mess was created by Singer, so if he's off the next one then that would also take care of the double mint twin retards that helped him with this shitty movie, so just that would make the next movie better than Gigli which would mean profit potential for WB. Now let's get a real film director on the next one, get Kevin Smith for Christ’s sake, hell give it to one of the head writers at DC Comics at least the character wouldn’t be ripped to shreds and we could do a whole "Batman Begins" theme where all the other films never existed, Singer wanted to get the fans to forget Superman 3 and so on by making his movie right after Supe's 2, but all he actually did was make us want to forget his botched attempt...
Superman was fine by BRUTICUS	Jan 5th, 2008 09:51:48 AM
The script had very nice superman moments. But overall, wholeheartedly, the script SUCKED ASS!!!! First point being, Superman wanted the crystal, the small piece of his heritage back, he was pretty clear to Luthor about that. Then he never even bothered to look for it when Luthor dropped it?? Second, the kid.... I'm sorry but you're CLONING Superman. Now their are two Superman. Don't you see how this kills the strength of the character? Knowing that there is another out there (even if it is a child) like him? Superman should be the only one, at least for a movie that was a reboot in only the style of a continuation. It was still a reboot.
Spacey was good as Luthor, Routh was good as Superman by BRUTICUS	Jan 5th, 2008 09:53:49 AM
BUT THE SCRIPT SUCKED
Glad to hear Routh is going to return. by rbatty024	Jan 5th, 2008 10:32:47 AM
Superman Returns was a nice return to form for the beleaguered series, and even though it had a few minor problems, it was largely a well crafted and clever film. I for one am looking forward for both Routh and Singer to return to the series.
Routh was very good in the part. Singer should be dumped. by Piltdown Joey	Jan 5th, 2008 10:45:05 AM
!
Oh yeah...Spacey needs to be dumped as well. by Piltdown Joey	Jan 5th, 2008 10:48:06 AM
!!
So Now Who Directs? by Jazner	Jan 5th, 2008 11:00:06 AM
Personally, I want to see Singer finish what he started. I liked SR, and moreover, X2 blew the doors off of the first X-Men. So Bryan is still my first choice. That said, I want a darker movie in SR2 featuring a new villain like Braniac. That said, put Ridley Scott directing and Jason Issacs as Dr. Fine. I'd see that movie.
Singer and the script where the main by veritasses	Jan 5th, 2008 11:09:05 AM
problems with SR. Singer is a very good single scene director. He knows all the little things to include in a scene, he knows exactly how to shoot each and every one of them and how they're all going to fit together. If he had a better command of understanding how to take these scenes and build them around a strong, credible, fun hero's arc that rises up to a big finale he'd be gold. But he doesn't really understand the Hero's story as well as some other directors/story tellers so his films feel somewhat underwhelming... X, X2 and SR were 'ok' but weren't great, impressive films because the stories and the way he built up the stories on screen lacked cohesion and testosterone. They certainly were not what representative of what a superhero movie could or should be.
Brandon deserves to be Superman for as long as he wants. by riskebiz	Jan 5th, 2008 11:29:22 AM
He was great as Kent/Superman. It is not his fault the film didn't perform to expectations. In fact, one of the only bright spots was him. They found their Superman ... they should stick with him. Stupidest thing they ever decided was not using him for JLA.
routh was great! by BUCK.STARBLASTER	Jan 5th, 2008 11:47:12 AM
Routh was not the problem with superman returns. the movie was boring.slow paced and boring.lois and lex were totaly miscast(sorry you could tell that space did not take it seriously)and the plot was retarted.the costume sucked to(I heard the fashion designer say that she did not like all the primary colors,well thats fucken superman!get used to it!).routh however was perfect.I do not care if he sucked brian singers cock to get the part(he did)he was great.screw justice league.we all want a superman batman with routh and bale.
A Valentine to a More Innocent Age by FlyingToupee	Jan 5th, 2008 11:52:50 AM
SR was a very good, character driven film. It certainly had more heart than TRANSFORMERS, PIRATES III, SHREK III and all of Michael Bay's films combined. What it lacked was action, but that is something that can be remedied in a sequel. The idea that Superman and Lois can't have a kid are just juvenile fanboy rantings. Characters need to grow, a film with wall to wall battles and no plot might please the PS3/XBox generation, but it would ultimately be empty. We'll see the results of something like this firsthand when that trainwreck of a JLA movie is foisted on the public.
I'd take Danny Devito over Welling. by FlyingToupee	Jan 5th, 2008 11:56:10 AM
Supes to Lois: You lousy minx I should have had you spayed! You sent out all the signals, and I don't like you anymore! Supes then uses his superbreath to send Lois flying through space, where she finally lands on the moon and has a big fight with Nuclear Man.
JLA smallville the movie would work by BUCK.STARBLASTER	Jan 5th, 2008 12:05:21 PM
cast routh as supes, erika duance(best lois ever!)as lois and rosenboum as lex(he is great!).loosely base it in the smallville universe and focus on the relationship between superman and batman(dark vs light)with the other jl members as the supporting cast.It would make millions.alas, the wb just does not get it.
BALTAR by DoctorWho?	Jan 5th, 2008 12:09:23 PM
Moriarty mentioned this in a talkback here a day or two ago...said this is not the monster, AICN has been flooded with those pics and to please stop.
Routh needs a better movie, like Clooney as Batman by JDanielP	Jan 5th, 2008 12:22:40 PM
In the end, it doesn't matter WHO is in the superhero suit...when the movie isn't quite what it needs to be. And I stick to my guns. Clooney could have been a great Bruce Wayne/Batman, under the right direction. He could have been fantastic, as I believe Routh can be. It's just a matter of capturing all the right elements on screen, you know?
That is, Routh and Clooney need better material. by JDanielP	Jan 5th, 2008 12:29:28 PM
Sometimes, I need to be more clear. Sounds like I was slamming "SUPERMAN RETURNS", with my previous post-heading. It's not that I thought "SUPERMAN RETURNS" was horrible. I just didn't think it was that good. "BATMAN AND ROBIN" on the other hand,...now THAT is a horrible movie. But it was NOT George Clooney's fault.
Chris Crocker as Superman! by I am Batman	Jan 5th, 2008 12:33:57 PM
You know, the "leave Britney alo-o-o-o-o-o-ne" homosexual kid. Seriously, he isn't any less suited for the role than Routh is.
Still think Routh is out... by Philvis	Jan 5th, 2008 12:35:27 PM
I have nothing against the guy. Thought he did well enough, but it was 100% imitation of Christopher Reeves on a tribute movie. From what I have been reading around the way, Warner Brothers didn't want it known that Routh was out yet, so now you are going to have a misinformation campaign to combat the real news...something WB is good at lately. I fully expect to see Routh replaced by the JLA Supes if all goes well with that. If he isn't good for him...just pray for him that the next standalone Supes film doesnt go the direction of SR.
Superman Returns sucked by hallmitchell	Jan 5th, 2008 12:40:53 PM
And I don't blame Routh at all. Remember the hype going into the film. Bryan Singer and his writing team were coming off X men 1 and 2. Kevin Spacey was signed. Yet the film sucked big time. Little action, too soap opera. A massive dissapointment. Bryan was too busy paying homage to Superman one and two. I think it's such a shame that the last three superman movies have been woeful. It will easily be another ten years until you see another superman movie.
And what they should do. by hallmitchell	Jan 5th, 2008 12:46:23 PM
Dust off the Kevin Smith. Superman script. Make it. And I blame Tim Burton for sabotaging the Kevin movie.
Thanks for the update... but what about the Singer/out rumor? by Kirbymanly	Jan 5th, 2008 12:47:45 PM
That was part of the original story as well
I thought Routh made an excellent Superman by odysseus	Jan 5th, 2008 12:59:01 PM
They should use him again.
The reboot idea is awful, whether it's Supes or Hulk. by rbatty024	Jan 5th, 2008 01:03:12 PM
If you want another directions (i.e. more action, less thought) that's fine, but don't ditch the previous efforts. I wish they hadn't done a reboot on Ang Lee's Hulk. I for one loved the original. It was thoughtful and took the material seriously while acknowledging the pulp roots (pretty much what everyone was asking a superhero movie to do until they realized that meant less action). They could have easily started the film with Bruce Banner on the run in South America and made it into a more action oriented film without doing away with the first movie. Likewise, it would be a mistake to reboot the Superman franchise. Let Singer do a more action oriented Superman if you want, but don't ditch the first film. I actually like characterization and thoughtful metaphors about our world, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't mind an action filled Superman or Hulk so long as they didn't piss on the first film. You can be sure I'll be downloading the Hulk movie this summer.
Superman should be noble but a hardass! by Hotscot	Jan 5th, 2008 01:06:35 PM
While I respect Brandon R and his efforts I felt he was too bland and lightweight. (Maybe that was the direction though.) And why oh why do many people feel that he should be channeling Chris Reeve? Lets move on...not back. Let's have different interpretations of Supes, not just the wide eyed hick/naive pretty boy from the country. If you haven't already you should check out the graphic novel Kingdom Come. That's the superman I want to see. A man not a kid. Real drama, real sense of danger, not just contrived scenes of catching and lifting things. And Luthor? What a joke in SR. Luthor is supposed to be a ruthless genius who squashes and kills any opponents who inconvenience him, not a comedy clown. (In fact Spacey should have played him like his character in Seven. Genius scary psycho.) I guess to me the Superman movies feel too juvenile when what I really want are the type of stories I read in the Superman comics today. If you read those you know what I mean.
Smallville is weak, Welling is wooden, Durance overacts badly, a by JTStyler	Jan 5th, 2008 01:11:14 PM
but Rosenbaum as Lex owns. Let me clear something up for all you Smallville fanboys. If you shat a turd and ate it every day, eventually you would think that that turd was caviar. Smallville has good effects and Rosenbaum, everything else in it is turd. Welling is Superboy nothing else, he suffers from that well-known CW affliction - MTA-itis. Model-turned-actor - he is so wooden. Lana Lang's character is a simpering and deeply stupid character who still hasn't figured out Clark's identity. Durance - great rack but mistakes overacting for charisma. Oh and don't get my started on the yearly re-set button. The writing and dialogue are atrocious - that Justice League episode made me feel physically unwell. Smallville is basically Roswell meets Dawson's Creek plus a liberal bastardised sprinkling of the Superman myth. Thank God for the Luthors and Schneider - great performance. Rosenbaum is the closest to comicbook Lex we have ever had but even he sometimes cannot rise above the mediocre writing. Welling should never be Supes and I have no interest in Smallville the movie and I'll wager neither does the general public. I'm not sure Welling wants that either, risking being typecast for life. Keep Routh - he was great, new writers. Simple solution. Oh and kill this Justice League joke. The Styler has spoken.
Even for a character driven movie by veritasses	Jan 5th, 2008 01:19:13 PM
SR was underwhelming. First of all, people don't go to big budget, iconic, summer release, super hero movies for a quiet "character driven" experience. But forgetting that, SR underperformed as a character driven piece as well. A good character driven movie needs much better dialog, character interactions, relationships, motivations, supporting sub plots etc. SR missed on all those marks. If it's supposed to be a character driven piece then everything needs to support that. All the emotional moments were also just rather flat. All the scenes depicting romance, longing, anguish even the comedic moments. And the acting for some of the key roles (namely Lois, Luthor, the kid) were weak. Clearly though Singer does have talent and SR wasn't a terrible movie.... it was just clearly not all that it could've/should've been.
I've tried to watch Smallville several times, but... by rbatty024	Jan 5th, 2008 01:20:02 PM
didn't make it through a full episode. I don't mind a little soap opera in my TV, but you have to first make me care about the characters. The acting is wooden and the dialogue is worse.
Routh should be SUPERMAN in JUSTICE LEAGUE by Demode	Jan 5th, 2008 01:27:31 PM
The Superman movies need a reboot. New Director. New cast. New Superman. I would rather see Nolan direct a new Superman movie after his Batman 3 gets made............. That said, I think Brandon Routh should be sent over to Justice League. He really is a great Superman. It gets rid of all the weak links from Suerman Returns... no Spacey, no Bosworth, NO KID... but keeps the #1 thing that worked in the film. I think it would be smart to keep him and have him be Superman in Justice League. Superman Returns can serve a 'prequel' to the Justice League movie in that regard. It also helps keep SR selling in DVD sales, and allows it to be packaged with a Justice League trilogy.
PS. Superman Returns is a good film but.... by JTStyler	Jan 5th, 2008 01:30:13 PM
SR is a good film. Yes, it should have been great, yes it has flaws - needs more action etc. But Brandon Routh was great, plane sequence was fabulous and Spacey was rather good. What is more disturbing is that a lot of people in the geek community seem incapable of seeing thing in shades - things are always black or white. The movie is either Oscar-worthy or dogshit. It's quite sad. We flock to mindless movies like Transformers, Live Free or Die hard (which lacks any soul compared to the previous 3) we make excuses for soulless, company-driven dreck like Ghost Rider and Fantastic four: it's fun, it's for the kids - yadda, yadda yadda but along comes SR trying to tell an emotional grown-up story and we tear it a new one. I can forgive Ang Lee's Hulk - at least it didn't fail for a lack of ideas. You lot are the very reason why we had to suffer through FF 2... because you condoned FF1. Hope you're proud of yourselves. With any luck, Incredible Hulk will be full of action but devoid of any intelligence. We are very quick to turn on people - Bryan Singer is now the Antichrist after SR when after x1 and 2, he was a legend. And the homophobic abuse is frankly juvenile. Let's go back and retcon X2 - it's not really one of the greatest superhero movies of all time - it's dogshit really. Singer is a shit director - after all Usual Suspect is overrated. X3 was better than X2. Sam Raimi is now a know-nothing hack after Spiderman 3 and should be strung up. My fellow geeks, grow up.
if nic cage plays supes.... by irrelevntelefant	Jan 5th, 2008 01:51:09 PM
exactly which color kryptonite give him male patern baldness?
He's the lead, he's the main problem by AlwaysThere	Jan 5th, 2008 02:01:41 PM
He should be gone, even if it isn't already.
looks too young by ZeroCorpse	Jan 5th, 2008 02:47:35 PM
Not authoritarian. Looks like Superboy. Bleh.
New Story/New Villans by Prefect Maximus	Jan 5th, 2008 03:05:44 PM
Need new villans. Have a gang rob a bank. Supes swoops in too save the day. The gangs leader gets horrible disfigured. If you have to have Luthor in the movie he rebuilds the gangs leader into METALLO, who returns later in the movie to take on Supes. Have Mercy Graves, someone like Kate Beckingsale as Lex's kickass bodyguard. Or do a movie where Supes takes on Solomon Grundy in the beginning and Luthor experimenting on his own Superfreak creates Parasite. Just need new villans I say.....Oh yeah and have Bruce Wayne appear in Smallville as, wait for it, Bruce Wayne, he can clash with Lex in a big Power/Money deal like outbidding him for something like a government project or important real estate and sweeping Lois or Lana off their feet while in town and also assisting clark against Lex.
Mr. Nice Gaius? IN TROUBLE? by 'Cholera's Ghost	Jan 5th, 2008 03:29:41 PM
[dons cape] To the batmobile! Free Mr. Nice Gaius!!!
Superman Returns Was Awesome by Colier Rannd	Jan 5th, 2008 03:36:52 PM
Brandon Routh is Superman. The movie was about a billion times better than that snooze fest Christopher Nolan made (of course that could be several movies as he doesn't make any other kind). If they dump Singer and go with KungFu Superman you all get what you deserve, it's just a shame fans of SR will have to also pay for your idiocy.
Routh is the least of the worries. by mrfan	Jan 5th, 2008 03:41:37 PM
How about getting a better script from new writers. If this is happening please excuse my being late to the game. Most of the blame of SR should be on the director. Get a new one also.
singers's SR is logochannel filler by nevahagin	Jan 5th, 2008 03:44:54 PM
sequel instructions for Warner Bros that will put the "MAN" back in superman; ok yes SR was a gayfest but you can transition it back to a hardcore actioner-- you just have to neatly tie up and chuck the sissy stuff in the first 15 minutes. 1. Lane concludes that Clark is a douche and weds White.we dont even show the wedding. its just a headline kent wakes up to. 2. Kent burns and spurns her by winning custody of the kid,leading to an unexpected result; he is barred by court order from working at The Planet and near Ms. Lane. From this point on the daily planet offices are never again seen in the movie. that world is finally closed off to Kent and the audience for the rest of the film which finally forces this into NEW possibilities. 3.Kent's new gig is at the FAUXNEWS building, (in a new city)where he has to endure warmongering asshats and Bill Oreilly, where his new "olson" is Tucker Carlson and his new "lois" is a flirty Ann Coulter, which makes him regret his new bizzaro environment. 4. Kent's raising of the kid in a new city as well as healing his wounds will have to wait when a bigger and badder main villain ZOD returns(yes, Terrence Stamp) with a vengeance. (plug-->Zod2008.com) the side villain geneHackman the genius returns with posey kumar and better schemes, among them = a supersuit giving him the same powers of flight, a lethal rocket version of ripley's worksuit . Throw in Sam jackson as Brainiac causing trouble in europe. because it's time for the arena to be global and have at least 3 or 4 villains. female baddie somewhere, the kid turns bad, and cliffhanger ending. you have to make shyt as difficult as possible for Routh to make a sequel worthy. new music, new title sequence, old 80's costume. Routh could rebound under nongay tutelage. the key word is action. As in ACTION DIRECTORS. bruckheimer/bay, donner, tony scott, paul greengrass, and people who even mention smallville just need help. directors (especially gay ones)get lost in set design, scale and scope and miss the essentials. look at a little indie called "waydowntown" that has a superhero in it played by Mike Eberly. note the swift urgency he puts in the role plays his role. that's what superman is supposed be.
Nevehagin... you want in "non-gay"... by Kid Z	Jan 5th, 2008 04:07:58 PM
... But you wanna include that trannie-from-hell Ann Coulter? WTF?
sure. i said you have to make it difficult for the Routh by nevahagin	Jan 5th, 2008 04:14:49 PM
oh and Routh has to go on 60 minutes to defend steroid charges. MIKE WALLACE: did you ever use anabolic substances? ROUTH: "nope, just Lidocaine and B-12."
That's right, 'Cholera! by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 04:35:46 PM
MNG needs us! The call must be heard! Hate put him behind bars, but love is gonna bust him out! In a totally non-gay way, of course...
Since when did MNG get banned? by Turd Furgusen	Jan 5th, 2008 04:43:04 PM
He's one of the few decent posters. First guy to reply to a question I had a long time ago when I first signed up. I hope they let him back. I agree that Routh was good. He'd be better with a better script and plot
Save our Superman!! by boyblue	Jan 5th, 2008 04:45:48 PM
Smallville is fine if your fucking 12 and dont know any better. Welling will forever be the plank from Cheaper by the Dozen!! Superman Returns may have had it's faults, but I loved it, my kids loved it, fuck everyone I know in the real world loved it!! Routh, Singer et al all deserve a second crack at it since the first was a great stepping off point and we have been told the next would up the ante in all areas. Bring on the Man of Steel!!
Scott Porter Superman in JLA by zooch	Jan 5th, 2008 04:56:29 PM
The guy from Friday Night Lights. I think he's the last one who was rumored to be the favorate to play Superman in JLA. If SR sequel gets scrapped, could he be the new Superman?
Turd by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 05:00:31 PM
He didn't get banned. There is some glitch which is preventing him from logging on to AICN talkback. He's e-mailed both Harry and Mori about this but received no reply. Since he has done nothing wrong, he rightly refuses to adopt a new moniker. It is now up to us to rally support for our esteemed comrade. FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!
Routh Should Keep the Role by Wolfman Nards	Jan 5th, 2008 05:13:11 PM
Okay, so people didn't like the whole "Lois and Clark have a love child" thing but honestly, what other director is going to WANT to take over that story line? Singer needs to come back and redeem himself. I personally thought it was a pretty great movie. It wasn't your typical Super-Hero movie... it was more of a closing of the Richard Donner/Christopher Reed story line. Now all Singer needs to do is make his "Wrath of Kahn" as promised. If they recast Superman then I won't see it.
Oh yeah.... by Wolfman Nards	Jan 5th, 2008 05:15:40 PM
And Justice League is on track to be just awful. Straight to DVD anyone? You have Batman already. You have Superman. Just stick with it. There is in no way possible that a movie with "Wonder Woman" in it will have any credibility.
Why does everyone hate SR so much? by Lemming	Jan 5th, 2008 05:22:37 PM
Nothing wrong with it, apart from too long maybe. It was alot less cheesy than the original and tied in with it easily enough..You've all been on the fucking kryptonite as far as I can see.
Thanks Doc by Turd Furgusen	Jan 5th, 2008 05:26:42 PM
I totally agree. Free Mr. Nice Gaius, please. He could try to contact Steadfast Networks too.
Who is MR.NICE GAIUS and why is he in trouble? by travis-dane	Jan 5th, 2008 05:28:02 PM
I understand he is a TB,but what really bad thing must have he posted to get in trouble(since I witnessed the Silverfinger thing I dont get the whole banned and coming back thing)?Can somebody explain?Or is it a insider joke or something?
JESUS I AM BLIND!idiot travis(looks sadly at Doc`s post) by travis-dane	Jan 5th, 2008 05:31:21 PM

It doesn't seem to be a joke. by Turd Furgusen	Jan 5th, 2008 05:36:58 PM
MNG and Doc have been on here for years. I signed up six or more years ago. People usually say something pretty offensive to get kicked off. (ie: racist) I don't think MNG would do anything like that, he's a pretty decent guy. I hope they fix the glich and get him back. If nothing else, for the cthulhu dance.
If MNG had been banned... by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 05:43:08 PM
...all of his posts would have disappeared and I think the banned actually get notified in some way that they've been booted. According to MNG, he discovered that he suddenly just couldn't log in anymore. He's tried appealing to Harry and Mori but hasn't received a response yet. He's a troll-slaying champion and all-round good guy, the latter being a particularly rare commodity in talkback these days. FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!
How long has he had this problem? by Shermdawg	Jan 5th, 2008 05:55:44 PM
I've had this problem a few times. There's the glitch where you'll enter your sign in info, and it will appear it didn't register. Then if ya close your browser, and go back to the site you'll now be logged in. Then there's the glitch where you leave the site, come back and you're mysteriously logged out, you can't log back in, the exiting/relaunching browser solution won't work, and the only way to fix it is to dump your cache and restart your computer. (This one happened a lot after the "upgrade" to the site last year.)
Hold on, MNG! ATTN: AICN Moderators by 'Cholera's Ghost	Jan 5th, 2008 06:00:14 PM
This is an official letter of inquiry regarding the status of Talkbacker Mr. Nice Gaius a.k.a. "MNG" a.k.a. He Who Bears The Cthulu Dance. His presence is requested for his anti-trolling services, Cthulu Dance Mayhem, and all-round good guyness, the latter, indeed, being a rare commodity on the boards. May love bust him free! (in a totally non-gay way, of course)
Thanks, Shermdawg by 'Cholera's Ghost	Jan 5th, 2008 06:03:38 PM
Mr. Nice Gaius, if you're out there, and can hear me, heed the glitch report of Shermdawg. It may be the beacon of hope you've been waiting for. Don't give up!
Troll slayer`s are cool!Maybe we should all E-MAIL the dudes.. by travis-dane	Jan 5th, 2008 06:07:12 PM
who run this site?
Routh didnt do a reeves impression... by Zerofun	Jan 5th, 2008 06:11:02 PM
Routh didn't do a great Reeves impression .. he did a great superman impression.. STFU you donky lovers that say otherwise.
PRESIDENT BALTAR by ironic_name	Jan 5th, 2008 06:12:04 PM
aicn didn't run the pic because its ancient, and not cloverfield. buhbye.
Too bad. Hated Routh. by samsquanch	Jan 5th, 2008 06:25:36 PM
popular opinion around here, I know. The guy just didn't look anything like Supes. I would have bought 47 year old Nic Cage and his pouty lips and brown hair more than soap star Routh and his fake blue contacts.
Superman Returns was brilliant. by Bellock	Jan 5th, 2008 06:41:11 PM
For me, Singer's best film. It moved me deeply, as "Secret Identity" moved me as a comic book. Of course, you have to love comic books, and to understand the mythology. I think, however, that "Man of steel", should be directed (by Singer of course) as a more mainstream movie, to make the franchise durable. Finally, i have to say i don't understand the argument about this film. It made more money than "Batman Begins", has more memorable sequences (give me just one from BB that can stands the camparison with the falling plane in SR), and permitted to discover a new actor (fortunately, everybody agrees with this).
Maybe we could... by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 06:42:19 PM
...get together and do a talkbacker "We Are The World" or, more appropriately, "Ain't Gonna Play Sun City" type of record for MNG?
How about... by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 06:45:58 PM
...an immediate cessation of all actions against trolls until MNG is released?
"Relocation... by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 06:50:17 PM
...in a foreign cyber-land, 'Carceration of Gaius I can't understand, I, I, I, I, Iiii ain't gonna bitchsmack no trooooolls!"
Still nothing from HEADGEEK or MORIARTY?WHY? by travis-dane	Jan 5th, 2008 06:56:06 PM
Aint we worth it?
I guess that's the problem with you SUPERMAN RETURNS haters by Mr Incredible	Jan 5th, 2008 06:58:38 PM
You just didn't "understand" it. Bullshit. The movie sucked. Plain and simple. Start over again. Keep Routh and really give him something to do the next time.
Guys... by TheRealMoriarty	Jan 5th, 2008 07:03:08 PM
... it's being addressed. I've forwarded the problem to our tech guys. I can't fix it myself, and I'm not sure what happened to his login, but we'll get to it as soon as possible. No one's trying to deny him access to the site, okay?
You did it DocPazuzu! by travis-dane	Jan 5th, 2008 07:08:12 PM

Mori by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 07:21:35 PM
I don't think anybody thought it was intentional, just an annoying glitch of sorts. Thanks for the action taken.
I'm glad that was untrue by CherryValance	Jan 5th, 2008 07:59:00 PM
Routh is perfect, imo.
Routh is a great Superman/Clark by veritasses	Jan 5th, 2008 08:15:57 PM
He really did a fantastic job. And with the right story and screenplay (and if Singer stays out of the writing process), Singer could be the right director. But I really wouldn't mind if some other proven, credible director were given the job.
Something People Keep Forgetting About SR by Colier Rannd	Jan 5th, 2008 08:34:32 PM
Superman Returns is not a stand alone film and that's something everyone keeps forgetting. It's a setup. It sets up the next movie. It's probably meant to be part one of a trilogy. No one had a problem with Batman Begins being boring as hell (how many times do we need to see his origin? Right, so shut up about Luthor returning too). Why? Because even though it would put an insomniac to sleep, it was a set up for the next movie. Which will probably be boring too but at least we'll know

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