...not to mention the fact that no script can even be written anyway...

routh and spacey were great casting, but the script was very "chick flick"

The bone structure of a great character is there. He just needs a great storytelling director and charismatic actor to flesh him out.

Another reason to hate on SR.

Some could also argue that she should've read the script before signing because it was clearly on paper that Lane would become the worst character to have ever grace the screens since she became a horrible mother and is ready to dump a man that helped her with her kid knowing full well that he was not the father, but that would be another post.

Routh and Spacey for me were very good choices, spacey for the acting talent and Routh for the look(It'll be determined if he does have any acting skills in the next movie since SR had no actual lines or story for the main character).

I'll blame Singer totally for this mess, him and his two idiots screenwriters. They tore the shit out of every character.

1) Jimmy: Even though they did a perfect replica of the 50's Jimmy, this is the new millennia so a more up to date and less "Oh gosh it's Clark!" character would've given the character some integrity, some reality and would not have looked so freaking ridiculously gayish. Look at what they did on Smallville, yes they made the younger guy the same age as the rest but he as more substance than a banana peel.

2) Perry: WTF!!! This is the guy who tears hole in the floor for a news story; in this one all he does is stand there and do nothing, then walks out of the building to see Superman grab the damn globe... The guy never even yells to his reporters to get the story all he does is look at them and says "Well.. What are you waiting for, go out there.." In a calm matter, WTF!!! That isn't Perry..

3) Lane: Way too much issues for this one to even mention other than deadbeat mother who'll whore herself at Superman the first time she sees him over a good guy who helped her build a 20 million dollar house on a reporter's and helicopter pilot salaries... I'm guessing Singer didn't do his research on salaries.

4) Luthor: actually the only character that did not go thru a major change, so kinda good for that, but! If you're doing anew Superman movie, why not update the Main villain to the same status he has now in the comics? Make it that he got out of prison as they said, then went back to stealing and all that stuff and so that he wouldn’t get caught he built/stole an empire named/renamed it Luthor Corp and is seen by the public as one inmate that changed his ways so they now like him because he projects that people can change, yet he still does all of this evil crap in the background... Nope, they go with the story that makes him a billionaire by stealing a dying woman's money when we all know that any rich as hell family would've counter the testament and won since she signed it without proper legal representation and that the signature was done on her last breath which would make her unable to have done an objective choice. I guess when you get 12 year old retards to write your story you sort of miss those legal technicalities.

5) Superman/Clark: I'm still amazed that they were even part of this movie. Heck a maximum of 10 lines I think for the major character? Gotta be a record for a speaking lead role! He did nothing with this one; the damn guy returns from his dead world, he dresses back up as Clark and goes back to the old job, C'mon! Even Supe's gotta be depressed and you just can't just jump right back in like that. All the character does is stands on the farm, throws a baseball, then stands in the Planet building and looks like an idiot, goes for a beer with jimmy and whistles for a cab. Superman he saves a plane that is about to crash on the same day he came back (Wow talk about coincidence, if I inspected this one the first one I would talk to is the man himself "Explain to me why you come back and suddenly everything goes crazy, you must be behind all of this!"), then he flies around for a while saving the world again, then tries to mess up a relationship between Lois and White, peeps on them, become mad when he sees someone went into his crib but didn't clean up after MTV, goes to save the deadbeat mom who almost kills her son and the only man with some dignity in this movie... hell... this Superman his a disgrace to the legend they built.

6) that damn Kitty character: why.. why give Luthor another idiot girl? Make the character stronger give her an IQ that would be more realistic, not a challenger to a potato skin...

7) Kal Penn... Why even give the guy a role when you cut off everything and make him another idiot around Luthor... He's Indian at least make him do something that looks like he's using that brain!

All of this mess was created by Singer, so if he's off the next one then that would also take care of the double mint twin retards that helped him with this shitty movie, so just that would make the next movie better than Gigli which would mean profit potential for WB. Now let's get a real film director on the next one, get Kevin Smith for Christ’s sake, hell give it to one of the head writers at DC Comics at least the character wouldn’t be ripped to shreds and we could do a whole "Batman Begins" theme where all the other films never existed, Singer wanted to get the fans to forget Superman 3 and so on by making his movie right after Supe's 2, but all he actually did was make us want to forget his botched attempt...

But overall, wholeheartedly, the script SUCKED ASS!!!! First point being, Superman wanted the crystal, the small piece of his heritage back, he was pretty clear to Luthor about that. Then he never even bothered to look for it when Luthor dropped it?? Second, the kid.... I'm sorry but you're CLONING Superman. Now their are two Superman. Don't you see how this kills the strength of the character? Knowing that there is another out there (even if it is a child) like him? Superman should be the only one, at least for a movie that was a reboot in only the style of a continuation. It was still a reboot.

Hate put him behind bars, but love is gonna bust him out!

In a totally non-gay way, of course...

I agree that Routh was good. He'd be better with a better script and plot

It is now up to us to rally support for our esteemed comrade.

FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!

People usually say something pretty offensive to get kicked off. (ie: racist) I don't think MNG would do anything like that, he's a pretty decent guy. I hope they fix the glich and get him back. If nothing else, for the cthulhu dance.

According to MNG, he discovered that he suddenly just couldn't log in anymore. He's tried appealing to Harry and Mori but hasn't received a response yet.

He's a troll-slaying champion and all-round good guy, the latter being a particularly rare commodity in talkback these days.

FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!

buhbye.

'Carceration of Gaius I can't understand,

I, I, I, I, Iiii ain't gonna bitchsmack no trooooolls!"

Thanks for the action taken.

Expecting you back with the force of an Adama-Atmo FTL Jump Maneuver.

And as for all the kids out there who liked Returns better than Begins, don't worry, when you grow up you'll watch it again and all the confusing parts will make more sense.

Superman Returns was SINGER'S vision... A screwed up, badly-regurgitated copy of Donner's films almost 30 years ago. The man has ZERO imagination when it comes to superheroes and only lucked out with X-Men because they fit his M.O. of self-pitying whiners who feel they can't fit in. When he tried to shoehorn Superman in that mold, what did we get? A whiny, loser stalker who abandons his responsibilities and loved ones for YEARS to go on an obvious wild-goose chase, and upon finding out he's fathered a son, simply says "I'll be around." What an ASS. And what a CRAPTASTICALLY CRAPPY when to do Superman!

The only thing Singer deserves is a super-kick to the nuts for making this film. The LAST thing he should ever GET is ANOTHER chance to make a Superman movie.

Oh, yeah... and Kevin Spacey's Luthor DID stink. Stop with the wig-wearing, idiot henchmen Luthors, already!!! Quit screwing around and just hire BILLY ZANE, so we can FINALLY have a threatening, charismatic Luthor who'll actually seem like a real threat! >:O

X3 was so scattershot that it couldn't competently juggle the few subplots it managed to squeeze into the film. The Kitty Pride, Iceman, Rogue love triangle disappeared for such a long time I almost forgot it was still a part of the story. Why was Rogue jealous again, because Iceman was skating with Kitty Pride? That was an obviously shoehorned conflict. The same is true of the Angel subplot. It was unnecessary and was shoved into the film for no reason.

Or how about Cyclops dying off screen. I kept on expecting him to pop back up. Killing off Prof. X was so poorly done I laughed out loud in the theater.

The final fight was also ridiculous. What are the Pheonix's powers again, to stand around while other people are killed? She's supposedly the most powerful mutant on the planet and she just sits there. It doesn't make any sense.

Look, say what you will about Superman Returns but the moment you suggest that X3 was better then you're regulated to the cinematic moron pile. Go read a book, although I'm sure there wouldn't be enough action for you.

It's a Doctor Who character. As a longtime DW fan, I had to let you know. :)

Mr. Nice Gaius 2: No more Mr. Nice Gaius

Waaaaah, singerman shat on my fanboy dreams. Bryan singer raped my childhood and then wiped his shit smeared cock in my Christopher Reeve-esque hair. WAAAH, SUperman is a loser stalker, jacking off in the bushes outside his nasty crack-whore ex-girlfriends bedroom. Waaah- Kryptonite continents are stupid, real-estate scam is stupid, Singer made my big blue boy scout into some kind of faggy jesus, WAAAAAH, Routh was shit, Should have been that cunt from that soap opera, etc, etc, etc.

BTW- that Kryptonite continent thing was fucking stupid, and it was NOT clear that your interpretation was what they were aiming for. I missed it (but I may have been asleep).

Although it was a deeply shit film, it was released 2 summers ago- and the sequel will not make an appearanc until 2009 at the earliest, so can we all let go of it now?

So we're going to argue about this for another 2 years then- I suppose the greatest missed opportunity of the 21st century so far deserves it.

Plot holes, superkid, bosworth, the stalking, spacey, The stupidity of the real estate scam all combined to make it worse than X3.

And that's saying something as when I saw X3 I marked it as worst film of the summer (little knowing SR was so awful).

Forgot to say boybue- I hate smallville.

I can almost hear his excuse: "but officer I was trying to figure out if there was still a place in this world left for him"

"I don't care, Superman, You're hanging around outside a kid's bedroom window."

Yup, stalking.

It was terrible.

many, many people thought it was fucking creepy and certainly not behaviour you associate with Superman.

And as for turning up in the kid's bedroom to deilver his big Kryptonian speech (something he had patently failed to live up to) that was just gross.

It really is depressing that the most heroic character was the poor mug stuck with Lois.

Where is Kal El Vis when you need him?

Break it down even simpler, anyone else caught standing around outside a house at night peeking in would be arrested for, y'know, STALKING. Or voyeurism, or whatever it's called depending on where you live. At least they didn't show him tugging his red undees down and bopping his kryto-hammer. It's a sociopathic kind of behavior, the I-almost-hope-I'm-caught-doing -this-creepy-act. All the sociopathic homersexuals where I live all go to this one particular park at night to do their "thing," even though they know that the police know about this place, and that they'll be arrested, which they are, and brought to court, where they get to meet ME! Yay! Superman Returns felt like that to me. Creepy.

IMO, it's Singer that has to go. He's fucked up two comic properties now. And, yes, I do mean two. If you know the X-Men, then you know that the film is not even a close, decent interpretation of the source material. You may have seen good movies, but they were hardly representative of the X-Men source material.

Anyhow, the only concern I have about a Supes sequel is that the absence of Singer may result in a less coached Routh, presuming Singer was the one who indeed coach Routh in the first place.

To go Wrath of Khan on the Superman sequel would mean dumping the director of the first movie (Robert Wise for Nicholas Meyer) and feature the cast from the Star Trek tv show (instead of recasting).

So, to go Wrath of Khan on the Superman sequel would be to DUMP Singer and star the cast of Smallville. ROTFLMAO! So by all means lets go Wrath of Khan on the Superman sequel!

Ignorant Singer and his ignorant parrots are a never ending source of amusement.

Boyblue, sorry you can't agree with this- but doing it once was more than enough. It was downright fucking creepy.

Or maybe, you're just full of shit and like to present yourself as more cultured and intelligent than the rest of us, but then have to frantically crawl back from indefensible positions.

And I've seen siither now, and it is just plain shit. It isn't cool. It isn't cheesy fun. It's just shit.

Fuck off once and for all.

So not only are you pompous, hypocritical, condescending and otherwise vile, but you're also a coward.

How do you like them apples.

Oh, and just out of curiosity, how on earth did you get al your posts deleted in the bond thread?

If you're going to criticise someone in those terms use Microsoft Word's spellcheck and then cut and paste. It doesn't help you when you misspell "incomprehensible"

It should either have been "text"- which is also pretty awful or it should have been another phrase.

I think you did learn it off an American, but are now too ashamed to admit it.

So Jarv asked you a question, what happened to all your posts in the Bond talkback?

But the little worm repeatedly said that he "learnt his English from a native" and would only take instruction from a native- i.e. a non-colonial. It was in response to the Doc.

Frequently, American English is at a higher standard than native Engish- ever hear a scouse, or a geordie. Accents that are painful on the ears.

I think this explosion of fury I'm having at him is fuelled by the disappointment of seeing him deleted but not banned. He's such a little worm.

And just watch, he won't respond in any timely fashion. He'll wait till he can post 4 pieces of gibberish that will go unanswered.

Because he's a coward- with balls the size of raisins.

I bet he's also a closet Bay-fan and owns something shite like Pearl Harbour in his DVD collection. He protests the way that you do when you are at university and you are trying to cover up the fact that you shagged a fat girl- and are on the sharp end of derision from your peers.

You are a drippy little whore.

Where you at M-O-M?

Beacuse he's a drippy little whore.

Memories is an oxygen stealing disgrace to any species. Even the humble dung beetle

First of all, Superman isn't Superman anymore - he's a super creepy peeping tom who does nothing but strike crucifiction poses.

Lois is a dud whose character was so uninteresting I barely remember what she had to do with the movie.

The kid was simply crap. I should have been having a blast watching Superman wrap iron girders around bank robbers and out-witting Lex Luthor. Instead, I got to try and figure out what the hell was wrong with this kid, and why if he's so sickly all the time he can suddenly push pianos around. It made no sense. At all.

Oh, and apparently Kryptonite is only deadly and causes Superman to lose all his strenght when it's convenient for the scriptwriters. Despite the fact that it's been established that merely being within ten feet of a baseball-sized chunk of K is enough to make Superman go limp with sickness, he can lift AN ENTIRE MOUNTAIN OF THE STUFF INTO SPACE before being affected. Changing the rules to suit what you want is lazy, lazy, writing and worse storytelling.

And some of you think Singer is suddenly going to turn that turd of a set-up into a gold nugget of a sequel? Ugh. Bring on Justice League, maybe Miller will understand the character.

I've not paid any attention to the tber with that screenname, and suggest if he annoys you so, do the same.

If they kill the kid then it may be forgivable, but other than that....

The prototypical superhero, the original superhero story, is still the one we haven't gotten yet. What the fuck is wrong with the world?

singer on the other hand, belong in the same group as fincher, aronofsky, nolan, etc. they can craft truly brilliant stories, but i doubt they have the imagination for designing spectacles. that's why the x-men films always feel so small. all those superpowers around, and the best singer could do is a one-on-one fight. and when he tries to be play a geek, the result is downright idiotic - magneto with his idiotic plot/machine to turn human into mutants, lex and his island. he doesnt have it. it's been proven again and again. no need to see him screw up another shot.

it's time to hire a geek director for the next movie.

that's why the moment bale dons the mask, the movie starts to feel stupid. ra's' plan to destroy gotham is just as idiotic as magneto's or lex's plan. the same with scarecrow's exit in the film. both singer and nolan have no clue how to design superhero customes either.

what saves nolan is that batman has no superpowers. the best you can ask from a batman film in terms of action is perhaps a cool car chase or fight scene. anything bigger and it'd look unbelievable in that world. but with something like superman, just like spider-man, you have the license to go absolutely crazy! if the best you could think of is for supes to lift plane/car/boat/statue/whatever (for pete's sake, how many more stuffs can he lift in that one movie??? is he a dock worker or superman?), then you just know the director simply dont have the imagination.

So what he needs is a geek adviser to tell him what to steal.