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Fidel Castro Has Discovered The Fountain Of Youth? Images from Soderbergh's CHE epics emerge!!!

nice by Muldoon	Jan 4th, 2008 03:33:23 AM
looks badass
Wow by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jan 4th, 2008 03:36:35 AM
Very impressive looking. Never heard about this film till now but I am very interested in seeing the final once it's finished.
Heh heh, very subtle, Harry... by seppukudkurosawa	Jan 4th, 2008 03:43:47 AM
Slipping in that Huckabee remark at the end of your intro in the certain knowledge that the ensuing talkback would explode because of it. Chuck Norris wants us to vote Huckabee as well... Hot damn, it looks like Mike's got all bases covered then!
Wow. by Psyclops	Jan 4th, 2008 03:56:45 AM
The resemblance is pretty striking. I wonder how this will turn out.
where's that hat. it is so in nowadays. by couP	Jan 4th, 2008 04:36:01 AM

Soderbergh's So Overrated!! by Redfive!	Jan 4th, 2008 04:40:42 AM
I know im gonna hate the Oscars come a years time.This hack always gets a nod and people just dont shut up about him.He's a dimestore PTA and hasn't got shite on the Coens.
Castro Supports Liberals Harry by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 04:44:09 AM
He always has. It was never a conservative anchor that interviewed him after all. Always liberals. The liberal mentality is based on the same doctrine of socialism that Castro based his own government on. Don't forget: Che=homicidal murderer who killed his own people in cold blood! Not a Goddamn ati-hero! They were both badguys which all communists tend to be. Yeesh.
Viktor by seppukudkurosawa	Jan 4th, 2008 04:48:28 AM
Do you have BC in your handle because your over-simplistic politics are from the Stone Age?
Is this film aimed at US audiences? by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 04:57:20 AM
Other than a few misguided wanna-be Kommies, I just don't see Che as a figure that people will pay good money to see in theatres. The Kommies lost the cold war because, as Frank Zappa once said, "The first word out of a child's mouth is MINE!" Really, who wants to see another film about some murdering ideological loser? I s'pose there are enough Komrades on the rest of the planet who may be interested but this movie is going to go straight to video in the US. Even then, I still won't watch it.
Conservatives will place the anti American tag on this movie! by ganymede3010	Jan 4th, 2008 05:07:57 AM
I'm sure Soderbergh is going to show the C.I.A's pivotal role in bringing down Che, and for that the Conservatives will be against it. Eventhough it's true.
whats so impressive about... by metaluna	Jan 4th, 2008 05:48:45 AM
...a guy in a tent with some face fuzz smoking a pipe? What's so impressive about that? I could do all that in my back garden! What am I missing here?
Not so ganymede3010! by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 06:06:17 AM
Conservatives have always aplauded the CIA's involvement in bringing down a known genocidal maniac (ie Che). Libs always make the CIA look like badguys.
¡Viva la Revolución! by CuervoJones	Jan 4th, 2008 06:07:07 AM

seppukudkurosawa, how typical... by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 06:09:11 AM
Instead of a logical debate, you settle for juvenial insults. Exactly how are you defending Che?
It's Chris Klein! by mr.brownstone	Jan 4th, 2008 06:33:54 AM
That's what he'll look like in 20 years after hitting the bottle too hard and moving to Costa Rica.
That ain't Castro! by TheBloop	Jan 4th, 2008 06:34:34 AM
Those are some shots of Rick Baker’s makeup for “The Wolfman”. You know what really ironic? The Hollywood elite’s love for Che (and all things communist), while they never really realize that their $20 million per movie lifestyle would be impossible to have under a Marxist system. Unless of course they were whoring around with some top commie government officials, who skim all the money off the top, secretly living the life of a rich capitalist. And at the same time they preach about peace they ignore the fact of the millions killed in the name of Communism. When is the last time a Hollywood actor protested for reparations for Pol Pots killing fields or Stalin’s round up and massacre of “dissidents”?
EL CHE was a murderer who enjoyed killing, did it for fun by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 06:38:20 AM
He could kill you if you looked at him wrong. He even killed children without a second thought. As kid he killed cats for fun. Read a book! This is the hero of the extreme left. They wear him on T-shirts, get tatts of him. Libs only admire him because he went against the establishment, against the man.
Good point TheBloop by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 06:39:59 AM
It is always funny how libs try to compare rebublicans to nazis when Hitler based his ideals on Marx's works. Just like Stalin, Che, Castro and modern Libs.
AICN is getting a hard on right now by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 06:42:57 AM
They made a movie about their favorite communist murderer.
You cannot blame Harry by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 06:59:06 AM
He lives in a Liberal Matrix. Every morning, like most Hollywood Libs, he reads the New York Times, watches liberal news shows (CNN and everyone but FOX) and then hangs out with liberal actors and directors everytime he's visits LA. They don't know anything else except the same propaganda.
Politics, commies, Liberals, blah blah. Fuck off. by Knuckleduster	Jan 4th, 2008 07:01:44 AM
I heard Terrence Malick was involved or had a similar project in development before Soderbergh started his. Anyone know anything about that?
Politics, commies, Liberals, blah blah. Fuck off? by classyfredblassy	Jan 4th, 2008 07:05:29 AM
A little hard given the subject matter of the film. Maybe you are looking for the "Juno" talkback.
Info I found on Malick project by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 07:09:08 AM
For his fourth feature, Malick considered directing a biopic about Che Guevara, and wrote a screenplay for it, but later relinquished the project to director Steven Soderbergh. He chose to make The New World instead, the script of which he finished in the late 1970s. The film features a romantic interpretation of the story of John Smith and Pocahontas, filmed in the usual transcendental Malickian style. The film was scheduled for limited release on December 25, 2005, and for general release in mid-January 2006; it was nominated for an Academy Award and received largely positive reviews during its theatrical run. Over one million feet of film was shot during the isolated filming schedule, resulting in a final film which ran for 150 minutes before Malick decided to temporarily withdraw the film from release and re-edit it into a 135-minute version.
i like the tshirts that say by ironic_name	Jan 4th, 2008 07:10:51 AM
cli-che. and tony montana killed for fun too, but everyone loves that crazazy cububan.
Every see those t-shirts with the famous by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 4th, 2008 07:33:57 AM
Che shot then underneath it says simply "Commmies aren't cool." Yes, I can respect fighting a corrupt system, but it's how you do it that makes it legitimate or not. Try reading Animal Farm. The last page sums it up. Actually check out thoseshirts.com for the shirt. My favorite, which I bought for my brothe is "celebrate diversity."
Can't wait to see Che's death squads in action. by Mace Tofu	Jan 4th, 2008 07:40:24 AM
I heard it was AWESOME!
Kevin Klein can play the older Fidel by theycallmemrglass	Jan 4th, 2008 07:54:13 AM
I even thought it was him at first glance at these pics
No C.I.A. necessary by HarrysNemesis	Jan 4th, 2008 07:58:05 AM
Conservatives (and people of any intelligence) won't like the movie because it will be the typical hollywood glorification of communist murderers offering no real criticism of them, but holds them up as cli-che'd heros. It doesn't matter how many innocent people were killed and put in prison, these guys are 'heros' to the left. I can see why they would be if you're a communist, otherwise not so much. The actor does make a good castro though. The movie is destined to bomb though as liberals don't like to see political commentary movies unless they're michael moore documentaries (see all the anti-iraq war movies that have bombed in the last few months as example). Average americans won't be interested. Conservatives will threaten a boycott :)
franka potente is in this too by AllieJamison	Jan 4th, 2008 08:13:56 AM
I remember reading a little article in which Franka Potente described her summer, how she was going to do some kind of Boot Camp training for this film and how much she was looking forward to work with Soderbergh. Those pics look great.
Leave out the politics by johnnykool	Jan 4th, 2008 08:27:18 AM
...fat fuck!
Soderberg remaking Red Zone Cuba?? by Samuel Fulmer	Jan 4th, 2008 08:41:30 AM
I'm Cheroke Jack!
What the hell? by Omar B	Jan 4th, 2008 08:49:49 AM
A movie about Castro? And I heard about an upcoming movie about Che? What's with these Hollywood types and their love for communists enslaving murderers.
What's next an Oliver Stone movie about Hugo Chavez? by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 08:49:59 AM
Oh yeah that is happening. I know a lot of you from the extreme left hate bush country and republicans, but resorting to being friends (Sean Penn) with communist leaders, just to show how against the extreme right you are, is fucked up!
Remember Motorcycle Diaries? by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 08:59:29 AM
Next is "Postcards from the Rine". About a misunderstood German boy in pre-WWI Berlin who paints for money. Leo DeCaprio will play a young Adolf! Just kidding... I hope!!
I'm actually pretty excited.. by T 1000 xp professional	Jan 4th, 2008 09:08:41 AM
..but that's just the hopeful and hungry for a good Cuban heritage movie directed by Soderbergh boy inside of me....All you talkbackers that have said this will be a GLORIFICATION of these bastards are probably going to be proven RIGHT...It's no fun for hollywood to make a movie that goes against these guys might probably sound too conservative and that might very well be :::gasp::: TRUE....I really enjoyed The Motorcycle Diaries and without any knowledge of the actual written work I semi-ignorantly/naively approached froma standpoint of "hey this probably happened before he was a bad guy" ...... This Che movie is gonna be a difficult sell. HarrysNemesis mentioned a boycott, I wouldn't doubt it.... My insight tells me so...so does the fact that I live in Miami :P ....I really do hope they do it the right way. please stevie please
This Years Little Ms Communist by hatespeech	Jan 4th, 2008 09:11:06 AM
Chopping Heads off for Freedom! Communism rocks.
That beard is fake! by Nice Marmot	Jan 4th, 2008 09:20:37 AM
He's one of the Others!!!
Please Harry! by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 09:38:22 AM
We love AICN! Please leave your politics out of your news!
Commie lovin' hollywood stars by HarrysNemesis	Jan 4th, 2008 09:43:40 AM
It's not about being 'against the extreme right' -- these guys really are communists (Danny Glover, Sean Penn, etc) -- they never outgrew that high school phase of 'gee wouldn't it be great if the world ran this way'. Of course the only thing they wouldn't like communism is it taking THEIR $$$ away, but communism rarely works that way in the real world. The elites do well in communism just as they do in capitalism -- look at the old Soviets or even Cuba today. The elites always do well. Who suffers? The poor people who are 'lucky' to be equally poor instead of there being some haves and some have nots. You can't eliminate poverty by outlawing prosperity and preventing class differences goes against human nature. Those who hold power and prestige in society will always be elevated in class because they have the power to make it so. Does Castro live like his average citizen? Don't think so. The other thing liberals love about communism is that communism has no tolerance of individual rights -- therefore as Castro did -- you can get RID of those who disagree with you -- the old fashioned way. Let's put it this way, if Sean Penn or Danny Glover had their way, about 40% of the population (AT LEAST) would be either in jail or dead for their political beliefs, and they would have no problem with the government trampling on our rights to make their political philosophy a reality. In the spirit of Castro, they'd love to see every elected republican strung up if they could because they're 'evil.' Interestingly, it is rarely evil to want someone else dead for having conservative political beliefs (to a hardcore liberal such as Sean Penn, Danny Glover, etc). I will give this to Penn -- he does have balls -- going to Iraq and such. Can't say the same for Glover, who only hangs out with tyrants who wish to harm our country when there's no actual physical risk to him. At least Penn walks the walk even if I disagree with him.
Retarded conservatives show their brain bumps by Sepulchrave	Jan 4th, 2008 09:51:16 AM
..by taking that fatuously ironic Huckabee joke at face value. My God, you people are stupid. Don't you pick up on ANYTHING?
Piling on by 5thBusiness	Jan 4th, 2008 09:55:31 AM
Okay, i hate bringing the politics into this movie shit, but it's sort of unavoidable here. I'm a total left winger who believes firmly in a social safety net, universal healthcare, etc. Having said that, communism sucked. And Castro, while he did positive things for many of his people half a century ago, is a monomaniacal despot who has done, and continues to do, awful things to most of his people today. And don't get me started on "Che chic". Btw, has anyone seen the "Onion" world atlas? There's an awesome photoshop of Che wearing a Che t-shirt. Hey Soderbergh, you know what a real hero looks like? Try Lech Walesa or Vaclav Havel, men who tried to shine the light of humanity into the black night of Soviet era communism.
morGoth, this is Cuba, not Middle Earth by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 09:55:37 AM
didn't know you had any interest outside of Tolkien's writings....heh. and you know some Francis Vincent Zappa-lore too? I'm impressed. as He would have said, "the torture never stops".
Saw "Che" and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt by conspiracy	Jan 4th, 2008 09:56:35 AM
Just love how the clueless prance about in "Che" T-shirts...mindless about how this arch villain sent thousands to their deaths world wide. Who knew murderous criminals were so cool! Hey kids..why not collect them all...Buy your "Che" shirt today and I'll throw in a free Pol Pot shirt and a "sick" hemp Stalin travel tote!
Not to mention.... by Sepulchrave	Jan 4th, 2008 10:00:18 AM
turning a film about a historical figure who is (regardless of his personal flaws) still VERY popular in most of Central and South America and well worth a movie or two. Just because the right has no psychotic revolutionary heroes worth putting on a poster; hold on: they have no artists, comedians or rock stars either.
but you're wrong, people wants to see this by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 10:05:02 AM
in South America for sure, and Europe, even in the States i bet. It is after all a revolution, blood and all that sells you know? And as much as you may dislike commies, they did start out as the underdogs and beat a powerful & corrupt state protected by the gringos...if only to end up even worse, thats debatable.
CHE FASHION by banbury	Jan 4th, 2008 10:09:48 AM
http://tiny.cc/A78xg
Sepulchrave once again proves liberals can only stoop... by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 10:11:08 AM
juvenile insults. Harry is a liberal. Everyone knows that. He is going ga-ga over a movie that will glorify a not like Che. You're the one who doesn't get it. Just like most of Hollywood these days.
Ugh, I't's like 'freerepublic' around here by Sepulchrave	Jan 4th, 2008 10:13:23 AM
Social justice is here to stay, psycho cavemen libertarians. Get used to it.
Che was a murderer by Spastic Jedi	Jan 4th, 2008 10:15:47 AM
Why do people glorify him? The guy was a murderer of children for gods sake.
Che the killer, or Che the doctor? by kafka07	Jan 4th, 2008 10:29:47 AM
I won't pretend to know everything about Che, and I don't presume that he was a man of heroics or justice (or a murderer, as some talkbackers are declaring), but I do want to learn more about the tumultuous period during which he lived.
'Libertarians? by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 10:30:19 AM
Hardly. Try conservative traditionalist. Your social justice is what got millions of Russians killed during the reign if the USSR. I hope you're proud of that and being one step to the side of a nazi.
kafka07 read a book. by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 10:33:25 AM
There are several very objective books out there.
at least Che pulled the trigger himself. Now Bush..... by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 10:44:49 AM
sends kids to do his dirty work. and he's just the latest stooge of the big money mafias.
He looks like Nigel Planer by DrManhattansUnit	Jan 4th, 2008 10:50:25 AM
and there's no evidence Che killed children, unless you count the bald assertions of the same right-wing nuts who either murdered JFK, or wanted to.
wow by Jarek	Jan 4th, 2008 10:52:20 AM
The cold war-fuelled beliefs held by the majority of this board are kind of frightening. Every story has two sides, do some research.... don't just swallow what you've been told by the US's perspective on the whole situation... it's not entirely wrong, but it's not as black and white as everyone seems to think it is.
Yay Deathsquads! by manzoniman	Jan 4th, 2008 10:53:55 AM
Che' sho' is good at some killin'! Castro, what a humanitarian. I can't wait to see them both kick ass in slow motion. Sure we can't get a decent comprehensive 9/11 or Iraq propaganda film, but we can turn out crap like this and "Redacted", no problem.
The problem with communism... by Batutta	Jan 4th, 2008 10:59:42 AM
...isn't that the idea is terrible. It's that we live in a world of limited resources, so distributing those resources equally ends up making everyone poor.
MIKE: Yes, that's really Castro by Osmosis Jones	Jan 4th, 2008 11:05:19 AM
TOM: Uh, hello, Mr. Dooby Brother. ~ CROW: That's Castro, y'know.
The only thing funnier than people who think it's cool by smackfu	Jan 4th, 2008 11:05:40 AM
to have Che Guevara on their T-shirts , are the people who invariably cry out 'learn who Che Guevara was, he was a murderer!' as though it's some kind of revelation. It's common knowledge. On a fundamental level, you are only saying this because in the ever-raging internet forum pissing contest, you feel this gives you a victory over your opponent, he thought he was smart for having a communist revolutionary on his shirt, you've proven you're smarter by correcting him and informing him that if he rose to your level of intellect, he'd see the error of his ways. Now I'm sure as you read this, you're mentally debating it, but here's the thing that proves it. How many times have you seen someone wearing a Charles Manson T-shirt? Did you stop to preach to them and educate them on the fact that Manson was a serial killer? Probably not. Because you assume that the guy wearing the Manson shirt knows exactly who he is, and you're not going to appear smart by 'informing' someone of something everyone knows. But with Che, you've assumed it's not common knowledge that he was a brutal killer, so by 'informing' people of that you feel you appear a little bit smarter. Only the thing is, Che's status as a bad man is very, very common knowledge. So you saying this in a forum is like saying 'Don't you know Manson was a serial killer?' to someone wearing a Manson shirt. Yes, they know, and you now ironically seem dumber for having assumed they didn't.
Thanks for the feedback, ViktorBC by Knuckleduster	Jan 4th, 2008 11:07:17 AM
Classyfredblassy, you're right. This is a talkback about Che Guevara, after all. But isn't this site primarily for filmlovers? It just seems that, no matter what the topic, there's always some 'Republican vs Democrat, wacko right-wing vs wacko left-wing' subtext to every fuckin talkback these days! What the fuck is wrong with you fuckin Americans? Surely this isn't the place for it. Are you people like this on a daily basis?
CROW; [writing] Get...real...beard by Osmosis Jones	Jan 4th, 2008 11:07:58 AM
Cherokee Jack...? ~ Yeah...I'm Cherokee Jack!
You're right Knuckleduster by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 11:21:51 AM
But you have to convince Harry Knowles 1st.
People talk so authoritatively... by BrooseTheScharuk	Jan 4th, 2008 11:22:55 AM
...like they were there, or even alive when all of this happened. Either angle you look at this kind of subject from, you are going to see it through a haze of hearsay and misinformation, built up over years and years by those involved, those on the sidelines, and those who weren't involved at all but have opinions nonetheless. We're all just ill-informed wankers who talk a lot of shit we know relatively little about. Having said that, my belief -- as misguided as it may be -- is that the majority of misinformation and manipulation of facts and perceptions comes from the US government, or elements within it. Many will likely disagree with that, but I believe that history (both past and future) will prove this to be true. I don't say this to be gloating or vindictive; I'm not out to insult anyone. It's just a very very sad truth. The ideals and principals on which America was founded are truly great and noble, but I think that the rich are wiping their asses with that stuff now. That's who's in charge and has been since the country was sold out to bankers in the early 20th century: outrageously rich individuals who don't give a flying fuck about you or me, whether we speak for or against them. Or maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I am, but at least I'm willing to entertain the idea.
LOOKS LIKE KEANU REEVES by BringingSexyBack	Jan 4th, 2008 11:30:54 AM
Vive La Matrix Revolucions!!!!
I could give a fuck about political parties by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 11:53:06 AM
I just don't like commies, but what I hate more are American loving commies, especially the ones that treat communist leaders like heroes. Yeah you Sean Penn! It's fun to go visit these bastards isn't it? Ride around with them. Go live there then. Go live with your hero.
GOTTA LOVE HOW SEAN PENN KEEPS GETTING DEMONIZED by BringingSexyBack	Jan 4th, 2008 11:57:41 AM
It's the embodiment of the "no good deed goes unpunished" principle. Penn's not personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, but Bush, who is, has fucking fan base here. What hypocrisy. And I'm no Commie-loving Castro fan either. To me Cuba is a fascist dictatorship, and has nothing to do with Marxism.
pipergates, you ignorant slut! by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 11:58:55 AM
Hey dude, how's it going? Heh, believe it not, I do have a life (and knowledge of other things) outside LotR and now (yay!), the Hobbit. So, did you actually read my post above? I do recognize that many other folks outside the US, particularly in South America, idolize Che. I guess being one of those Loathsome Baby Boomers kinda gives me a life-long disliking (see: hatred) of any and all things Kommunist. One possible exception would be Ho Chi Minh as he was a nationalist first and Kommie second. I read up on ol' Che and Castro when I were but a tween and, I agree, they both started out with noble intentions but murderous means will never, ever justify any end. Though I ostensibly agree with you about Bush, I hope you agree that the context is different. In the context of a "revolution," atrocities certainly occur just as they do in traditional declared war. Most everyone can recognize it as a fact of armed conflict that any side will see their combatants do this. However, we are discussing a specific individual who not only ordered but actively engaged in pulling the trigger on his perceived enemies…not only on the battlefield but execution style. Would Bush, theoretically, have ever done anything like that? I contend that any human being on the planet has that potential but, of course, he never did (Cheney, on the other hand...) Are you saying we should go back to the type of conflicts where only the leaders duke it out? Wouldn’t that put, say, Bin Laden in the same boat as Bush then? After all, he sent his goons to do the actual dirty, and I mean dirty, work. Moot discussion anyhoo as that’s just now how armed conflict on a national level works…would that it did! Finally, it were the Thingfish what said that, not Zappa (snicker).
I'm hispanic by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 12:01:22 PM
I grew up around all this shit. My relatives were there. I know all the stories. I know the truth. You fuckin gringos just see it from a far. Communist aren't for the people. It's all bullshit. Hugo Chavez, Castro. These bastards live like kings while their people live like shit. It's all an act. The only people that get any benefits are the rich tourist and celebrities. Who bring in the Money. They're treated like royality. So of course Sean penn. Ed Asner, Robert Redford, all these commie lovin pigs, have nothing but nice things to say about these commie bastards. Funny thing is, Hugo Chavez is laughing at them behind their backs. You don't understand spanish. He says things about hollywood celebs and Americans that isn't registering with white America.
Fuck Bush! by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 12:07:17 PM
What, not supporting communist leaders now means you support Bush? Bush isn't America. He's a fuckin mistake. That'll hopefully be corrected soon come this election.
Agree with you 100% Knuckleduster. by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 12:14:03 PM
I wonder sometimes if the right in the US knows any other word besides liberal (with the left it's Nazi). Harry did kick it off with the Huckabee comment so any and all US political discussion in this TB are certainly not in the realm of "Off topic bullshit!" Having been banned and having all my loverly, loverly post deleted in the past, I can attest that one should stay on topic. Hah, as if THAT TB rule is rigourously applied! Oh yeah: Does the subject Che really justify two freakin' movies?!! WHo does Soderberg think he is, Peter Jackson? That was for you pipergates {[:^)
this site is full of a holes. by JacksonsPole	Jan 4th, 2008 12:21:32 PM
i can't even read the talk backs. all of the snarky ignorance makes me disgusted. this is my final post and the final time i read this site. thanks for the 'memories'...
JacksonsPole by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 12:29:40 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Or do, if you're into that kind of thing.
No Node32774 doesn't hurt at all by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 12:30:15 PM
I was born in America. I'm more apple than you. Fuck those Mexicans! Hehe. Most of my family are US citizens. We just happen to be hispanic. You can call me Spic too. I don't care. I've called spanish people spics. I speak english first. Spanish is secondary. I never did embrace the spanish culture. I hate spanish TV and their annoying music. I use gringo to refer to white america because I've heard other spanish people use it.
Bananas by Jonas Grumpy	Jan 4th, 2008 12:30:53 PM
They're remaking that old Woody Allen flick? Who's playing the Conrad Bain role?
BTW, Serial Killers and Mass Murders are Cool by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 12:31:49 PM
When they do it for "social justice". Social Justice: The Ends Justify the Means, No Matter How Horrible. Yay, liberalism. Bill O'Rielly? A pernicious evil. Muslim honor killings? Well, you have to understand their culture. Communist mass murderers? Hey, at least they were trying for social justice! What did your guy do? Cut taxes for rich people! That's much worse that the wholesale slaughter/starvation of 25 million people.
I wanna vomit when i watch fox news by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 12:34:41 PM
Hannity is the worst. He honestly believes in that adam and eve bullshit, like Bushy. Sad backwards people. Brainwashed by their upbringing.
What about Killing for fun for Social Justice? by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 12:36:46 PM
Che enjoyed killing. He actually got a thrill out of it. Then its ok? You can't get more evil than that.
OrionsAngels: Gringos by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 12:37:35 PM
I'm reading a book called "Spanish for Gringos", to try and learn some basic Spanish. Should I be offended?
Killing for Fun and Social Justice by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 12:39:29 PM
It's the perfect liberal icon! Unrestrained hedonism (for the elite) in the pursuit of Utopia!
I think we should all be offended... by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 12:47:34 PM
and take everything said to us via the internet on a personal level, haha!
I'm Offended You Would Say That by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 12:49:39 PM
You . . . you . . . you Talkbacker, you!!!
BTW, That Guy Really Looks Like Fidel by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 12:50:11 PM
I think this movie will make a good DVD rental. Seriously.
Che + Soderberg = by BoggyCreekBeast	Jan 4th, 2008 12:51:03 PM
When is the new Indiana Jones movie coming out?
Back in the USSR by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 12:51:40 PM
I only know from what I have read from witnesses. Death marches and concentration camps and even canibalism from mass starvation. You don't like the rich becauce anti-capitalists have told you to do so. Actually, I should say convinced you of their "evil". It is not like in the movies. Liberal policy is, come up with a great idea that makes you rich and you will be punished for it. For every Lex Luthor there's 10 Bruce Waynes ot Tony Starks.
Actually, Even Creepy Capitalists by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 12:58:00 PM
End up being restrained by the market, and end up serving the public out of their own self-interest, or die. They don't have to be inherently philanthropic (in fact, the big philanthropist tend to endow non-profit organizations that, within a generation, become staffed and run by academics agitating for socialism and against capitalism). The free market ends up serving the customer, and much of the "evil" of the free market are actually result (in one way or another) of government interference or legal regulation trying to "improve" on the markets. Attempts to control prices or prevent price gouging always result in what? Hoarding and shortages. Free market pricing (even gouging) results in supplies getting to where they are most needed the quickest. If gougers can get $10 for a bottle of water in a disaster area, that area will not want for water--and the huge influx of water-bearers wanting to make $10 a bottle on water will end up driving down the prices! But, no, elite socialists know better than the free market, so price cap flu vaccine, driving most of the makers of the vaccine out of the business so there are shortages--that are then blamed on the pharmaceutical companies!
AVPR by DeckardBladeRunner	Jan 4th, 2008 01:00:54 PM
So when are Dutch 75 and Gheeker McGhee going to wheigh on Predator working with Che to attack the evil capitalists, and their non egalitarian henchmen, THE ALIENS.... ...Wolf ROCKS with that shoulder cannon- BLASTING the ALIENS from the USA with CHE using the LAZER NET to catch the ones who escape... Fucking FOX PLANTS....
BringingSexyBack, what the?... by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 01:01:01 PM
Marxism is the basis for Communism. Cuba is comunist. Marxism always ends up as a toltarian state. It has failed every time it has been implimented my friend. Sean Penn is an idiot for hanging with dictators. Would you defend him so easily if it had been Hitler?
Every Rich Capitalist in the World by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 01:02:33 PM
Could be (and may be) a selfish little shallow price, and the free market still works--because if they screw their customers, or just don't serve them as well as the next guy, they are going to be put out of business. When they want to screw the little guy (which big business often does), where does it go? To fat cats on Wall Street? No, my friends. Big business goes to Big Government when it wants to secure itself a monopoly or drive legitimate competitors out of business. If you're a (relative, but still billion dollar) small fry fighting a big successful company, nothing like bringing the DOJ in on an anti-trust case. When Pan-Am wanted a monopoly on air-travel, did it try to buy every other airline (well, yes, but not everybody was in the market to sell). So did it try to drive everybody else out of business with competetive pricing? Nope--it went to the government, and demanded that the government pass a law making them the only legal airline in America! Didn't work, but the hothouse environment of the heavily regulated air travel industry still makes that an unpleasant field to work in and with which to do business. But I digress.
AVPR? by DeckardBladeRunner	Jan 4th, 2008 01:02:46 PM
So are the Aliens communists? Or is the Predator a communist? That shoulder cannon just SCREAMS social distribution and equality to me, but the face huggers, attacking that pizza delivery boy....
Selfish Little Shallow "Prick" by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 01:03:47 PM
Is what I meant to say. I've met lots of rich assholes, small business owning assholes, etc. But the free market makes them serve their customers or perish.
Aliens are Communists by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 01:04:33 PM
Predators are Capitalists. I think it should be obvious.
AVPR... by BoggyCreekBeast	Jan 4th, 2008 01:05:24 PM
"attacking that pizza delivery boy" Oh, thanks for ruining this eventual DVD rental! ;^)
Predators are Capitalists? Nope... by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 01:08:17 PM
They act like Spartans. If you knew your history you would know that Marx "borrowed" some of his ideas from ancient Sparta. Predators are Marxists.
For the FOX PLANTS Dutch 75 and Gheeker McGhee by DeckardBladeRunner	Jan 4th, 2008 01:11:27 PM
I'm hoping to gain their affection by working to turn all talk backs into a AVPR discussion. And I think that the PREDATOR is in fact a communist- he has that hot southern rebellion leader thing, fights with the USA in south america... ... The ALIEN is more of the US corporation run amok- McDonalds Culture trying to assimilate the poor central and south american characters (Vasquez) etc. to become just like them- CONSUMERS AND CAPITALISTS!!! CHE and THE PREDATOR vs. ALIENS and the USA in 2008 (tagline: "what side will the predalien take... whatever it picks, WE LOSE!!!) FUCK OFF PLANTS
Che has become a cartoon character by luis1210	Jan 4th, 2008 01:13:54 PM
He is just a T-shirt made in chinese sweatshops for all the rich liberal people to wear while they protest drinking coke and gatorade!! Whatever his ideology they don't care. Also all this artists coming to my country (Venezuela) and supporting this fucktard we have as president it's sickening, especially danny glover who is an opportunistic prick, he comes here only for money. The last year we had visits from Oliver Stone, Kevin Spacey, Sean Penn, Danny Glover and Naomi Campbell, all endorsing a hateful president. Being antibush doesn't have to mean being pro intolerant leftist. Besides Chavez is only a power hungry bastard, no ideology whatsoever.
ViktorBC and HarrysNemesis by PurityOfEssence	Jan 4th, 2008 01:16:23 PM
I would consider myself to be conservative (though I did not and would not vote for Bush - their is almost nothing conservative about that man or his administration) in many ways - I don't care much for gun control, I think that taxes of the citizenry are too high especially those who make very little, think that to much money goes into government bureaucracies /agencies, and a whole list of other things. But you two sound like a couple of nuts. No one has even seen this damn movie - what makes it a glorification. Nemesis how the hell do you "know" that Penn would willing line people up and execute them. Because he associated with a man who is an asshole? Grow up - you demonize Chavez because of his politics not his actions. We have allies that do the same fucking shit and worse - its just that they aren't socialists, we talk and talk and talk about all the shit other people do but we never look at ourselves. Our "Liberal" and "Conservative" presidents have used sanctions against nations that we have deemed evil. Those sanctions aren't don't harm the command and control structure, they harm the populace who because, the uncaring tyrant at the top isn't going to be to concerned that the people at the bottom are getting worse.
Predator vs. Bush by DeckardBladeRunner	Jan 4th, 2008 01:18:46 PM
Did Wolf the Predator vote for Bush, or Kerry...or Obama?
Oh Wingnuts!!! by Garamond	Jan 4th, 2008 01:19:31 PM
You Foxtards just crack me up. I'm as liberal as the day is long, most of my friends are liberal. I know no communists, none. You are just repeating your talking point like a good little sheep. Seems like you all are just reading out of the McCarthy playbook and forgot to update the terminology. Silly wingnuts. Seriously, turn off Fox Noise, do some research on your own, and come back to reality. The majority of America misses you.
Garamond by DeckardBladeRunner	Jan 4th, 2008 01:29:03 PM
So, as a liberal, do you side with the PREDATOR?
The majority of Ameicans are Christian and by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 01:42:32 PM
...traditionalists with Conservative values. A history lesson for you: McCarthy was looking for commies in Government, the congress was picking on celebs. You do know communists Garamond! They are called the ACLU. ACLU founder Roger Nash Baldwin left behind an institution that is fundamentally un-American and subversive to the principles upon which America was founded. He was a 'self-proclaimed' comunist and the rganization, which liberals adore, is still pushing his agenda. Modern liberalism is based on socialism. Big government, lax morals, banishment of religeon, etc. That's why so manu talkbackers are upset. We know why Harry is so excited about this movie. Because he believes the bile about Che being a hero. I feel sorry for him.
luis1210, you're awesome! by Spandau Belly	Jan 4th, 2008 01:52:21 PM
I totally agree with you. Kids in my city are always sporting Che shirts, ask them who he was and they can only tell you "he was a revolutionary", ask them what revolution, what were his beliefs, his tactics, what did he achieve, and they don't know.
by Garamond	Jan 4th, 2008 01:53:47 PM
hurm....
Goddammit Harry by Saluki	Jan 4th, 2008 01:58:21 PM
From one Liberal to another, grow up. Your site is infested with backwards ass kids that haven't seen sunlight in ages. Stirring up shit with them is a waste of our time. Raise the flag, don't just wave it!
excellent!!! by Ray Gamma	Jan 4th, 2008 02:03:34 PM
Anything that puts the wind up the fat Neo-Con Christian Right cunts in the USA is fine by me. Plus these photos make it look very authentic. Soderbergh is a high-quality artist.
As a Liberal, Garamond Sides by kevinwillis.net	Jan 4th, 2008 02:05:42 PM
With the Aliens. It's obvious. As a typeface, he is entirely overused.
As defined by Viktor... by Garamond	Jan 4th, 2008 02:10:24 PM
RUN, CHILDREN, RUN, THE ACLU IS COMING! Kudos, Viktor, you were able to fit in a whole bunch of Neo-Conservative talking points into one little post. Good for you. Your Sean Hannity coffee mug is in the mail.
"The majority of Ameicans are Christian and... by seppukudkurosawa	Jan 4th, 2008 02:11:45 PM
"...traditionalists with Conservative values. A history lesson for you: McCarthy was looking for commies in Government, the congress was picking on celebs. You do know communists Garamond! They are called the ACLU. ACLU founder Roger Nash Baldwin left behind an institution that is fundamentally un-American and subversive to the principles upon which America was founded." Are you implying that the essence of being an American is being a Conservative Christian, and, if you don't follow that ethos, you're un-American? Meaning, anyone who doesn't follow the majority opinion on their country's politics is Un_insert country here_? I'd hate to live in your homogenised little world, ViktorStoneAge.
It will be on the History channel for weeks on end... by Philvis	Jan 4th, 2008 02:14:05 PM
Make what they want, I don't care. Just don't turn the films into introspective pieces where it "shows" how these figures were just misunderstood and not all that bad. Show them for what they were; a bunch of murdering villains who preyed upon their own peoples for their benefit, not the peoples.
At least I'm not Comic Sans by Garamond	Jan 4th, 2008 02:14:18 PM
I agree, very overused font.
AVP Requiem by DeckardBladeRunner	Jan 4th, 2008 02:16:43 PM
Are the Aliens Christian Conservatives? Hmmmmm?
by Garamond	Jan 4th, 2008 02:18:17 PM
I agree that the Che shirts are stupid. Maybe this film will bring to the light of day the truth of these men, so people can just move on.
Deckard... by Magma Suit	Jan 4th, 2008 02:20:30 PM
Yes, the Predators represent tax and spend, secular humanist, anti-Christmas blue state liberals.
Marxism IS the source BSB... by DoctorWho?	Jan 4th, 2008 02:21:19 PM
Its the model all these dictators followed. Read a book.
The Blue State Predator by DeckardBladeRunner	Jan 4th, 2008 02:29:03 PM
Magma- what does the shoulder cannon symbolize in hte PREDATOR's politcal agenda?
Answer to seppukudkurosawa by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 02:36:26 PM
Not exactly. The model of a conservative is conserving the values this nation was based on. You have the right to say or believe anything you want. Many conservatives believe that Liberals want to change those rights by converting this "capitalist republic" into theocratic socialist dystopia one ACLU lawsuit at a time. Indeed, look out the ACLU is coming! They have defended known terrorists, child molesters and other predators for their agenda. Americans, despite having, for the most part, Judeo-Christian values, are unaware of this. The 1st amendment protects Americans, for example, from a National religion like the Church of England. There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. Hugo Black created that term. A member of the Democratic Party, Black represented the state of Alabama in the United States Senate from 1926 to 1937, and served as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States from 1937 to 1971. Widely regarded as one of the most influential Supreme Court justices in the 20th century, he was nominated by President Franklin D. Roosevelt and confirmed by the Senate by a vote of 63 to 13. Black became a member of the Robert E. Lee Klan No. 1, a branch of the Ku Klux Klan in Birmingham, in 1923. His hatred of emigrating Irish Catholics influenced him to "reinterpret" the Bill of Rights to fit his desires. Hence, seperation of Church and State.
Mysterious Yobo: Marxism doesn't work by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 02:40:17 PM
It never has. It has been tried over and over again and always ends in misary.
Back to movies: Part II by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 02:43:11 PM
Has anyone seen a Natinal Treasure 2 review on AICN???
No, but I did seen NT2, Book of Secrets by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 4th, 2008 02:48:24 PM
I like it the first time I saw it when it was called The Goonies.
See by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jan 4th, 2008 02:48:49 PM
Me flunk English, that's unpossible.
America:vote TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION 2008! by travis-dane	Jan 4th, 2008 03:26:39 PM
He would bring the only right thing to the ASSHOLES at FOX studios,Geecker McFuck and all the other PLANTS and SHITHEADS on our lovely PLANET and that is:TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!So to ALL AMERICAN TB`s:Let`s bring TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION TO THE OLD 1600!
Viktor, why don't you go and try and get by Sepulchrave	Jan 4th, 2008 03:32:16 PM
your oliver North biopic made? Or how about those guys who were trained at the School of the Americas? Or Pinochet. You know: your heroes. The ones who are forcing campasinos to pay for privatized rainwater and have defoliated Peru so often that coca is now the ONLY THING that will grow there. I've been all over that continent; I've seen how those people live and I know that they know WHY. And they have every right to want to burn your smug State Department ass into the ground for what you've paid for and had done.
Sepulchrave...sorry amigo by Philvis	Jan 4th, 2008 04:00:18 PM
but you don't know what you are talking about. My wife is from Peru and there are not large areas deforested from DEA/CIA missions etc. making the peasants farm coca instead. People grow coca because it is profitable, whether it be for illegal or legal uses. South America has always been in shambles and will stay in shambles until everyone is educated there. The "leaders" there prey on the uneducated masses by promising this and that and in the end the people get more taken from them. It's the oldest trick in the book. The government comes in and confiscates land from the rich and redistribute to the poor. The poor who don't have the management skills do not know how to run farms, etc. and they take loans out readily given by the govt for equipment and such. Since their farms are doomed from the start, when it comes time to pay back the gov't, they are unable and the govt then takes the land, effectively taking from the rich through the backdoor. The corruption never ends. People like Che and Castro manipulate the poor just like scum like Chavez is doing now. They use the people to rise to power to help them out, but in the end, it is just to serve their means and the cycle never ends.
YOU GUYS ARE SIMPLIFYING............. by Alexander Luthor	Jan 4th, 2008 04:04:51 PM
...some really complex issues. Yes Che and Castro have killed people and yes Castro is a dictator and freedoms are limited in Cuba. BUT, look up Operation Condor on wikipedia. These guys came to power and led political and social (and yes, militaristic) movements against equally and in some cases more brutal authoritarian regimes that were supported by the US government either openly or covertly. Look at the assasination of Allende and the placement of Pinochet as an example of how this worked. Or look at the history of the Contras and the Sandanistas in Nicaragua, El Salvador etc. I was totally against most US foreign policy decisions over the past 50 years since my time in college and in grad school a guy that grew up in El Salvador during the war between the US backed, tyrannical Contras and the Sandanistas was going on. His monther was a supporter of the Sandanistas. She was captured by Contra forces and tortured. He told me of how they used elictricity to shock her vagina for god's sakes. He also told me of picking up dead bodies from the war in his neighboring villages and how the carnage was so total that you had to look down a dead body's pants to determine if they were male or female because their faces and physical features were either destroyed or burned off. His first memory is his mom teaching him to write and his village was attacked. The grenades and bombs going off and shaking so much that she told him to put his pencil between his teeth so that he wouldn't bite his tongue off during the explosions. Living in these areas of the 3rd world is hell for all types of people (conservative, liberal, authoritarian or communist). And that's when I realized, for myself, that the world is not simply right or wrong. It's a series of bad choices. There are no good choices or political philosophies that work 100% of the time. Communism did bring some equality to people's lives but it also took away a lot of their freedoms. Socialism spread wealth in some cases and was used as a cover in other cases to consolidate power ( think Hussein in Iraq). But socialism in western european countries had really changed people's lives for the better. On the flip side the fall of communism has totally changed many of the former soviet blocs for the better. Communism as Lenin and Stalin practiced it was clearly a failure. That said, my friend growing up in El Salvador was brutalized and so was his family because they supported a POPULAR and populist movement that was socialist and was much better in terms of treatment of the people in his home country then the right wing groups. And our government secretly supported his oppressors. All I'm saying is, we are nearly 20 years past the end of the Cold War . America is clearly capitalist. But it is also made of socialist policies. Social Security. the movement for national health care. Medicare. Medicaid. Hell, even our education system as well as most of our utility and road and highway systems are run on socialist policies. Worker's compensation, the right to form a union, sick days, protections against sexual harassment....all socialist in origin. Not capitalist. It's time we put those simplistic notions of politics and good and evil aside. Outside of clear demons like Hitler, Bin Laden, Kim Jong Il in North Koreain Iran and a few others that you already know there are mostly conflicted, complex, gray-area style political leaders in our history. This could be an interesting movie if it properly situates the communist revolutionary spirit of that time within the context that these people were genuinely rebelling against oppressive forces and in so doing became oppressive in their own right in order to hold up their high ideals. That is what is so interesting about power and ideology. So don't count a movie out just because it's about questionable people or people who's ideologies you don't necessarily agree with. Put it this way, if a movie about Hitler came out directed by PT Anderson and starring Daniel Day Lewis and it examined his life, the social, political and economic strife of early 20th century Germany and the xenophobia against non-whites and the birth of jingoism and how it relates to power, politics and society in general. If a movie like that came out and it looked cool and tried to be authentic then people would probably be something we would all line up for as serious movie fans. Some of you just need to get over it. I know socialism is still a 4 letter word to many of you but it is here in america and it's not going anywhere. My family and friends have personally benefitted from social security, welfare policies and job re-training programs run by the government (socialist). And the others of you who hate capitalism also need to get over it. This is a capitalist country and sometimes conservatives win and enact policies that you may disagree with (like limiting civil rights of homosexuals or starting wars preemptively on less than solid evidence). But I would rather then have their say then tell them that they can't vote or have any say at all and that anyone that questions what I believe should have to be imprisoned or not allowed to vote. What do ya think, guys?
Sadly, Memories-Of_murder... by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 04:06:34 PM
...the right in the US truly don't see any difference between a liberal (whatever that actually means anymore) and a Marxist/Leninist communist. The Rove/Coulter/Lumbaugh propoganda machine has totally brainwashed many people in the US. Che and Castro could've only dreamed of such power and Goebbels is happily and proudly watching it all from Nazi Hell. And speaking of Fidel and Cuba, why don't we just drop the stupid embargo and let good ol' capitalism introduce democracry to Cuba? Hey, worked in the ex-Soviet Union, Vietnam and China so why not Cuba? Yeah, I know it's a stretch to call them democratic but I speak in relative terms.
Tell ya what I think A. Luthor... by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 04:20:47 PM
...the CIA's activites in Chile were done in the context of the Cold War. See my post way up about how things get justified (for good or ill) during war, cold or not. Not saying what the US did in Chile was morally right, in the absolute sense, but it was yet another example of collateral damage during the execution of a war. By comparison, would you call for Chuck Yeager to go on trail for war crimes? He mentions an episode in his first book where he and his wingman were ordered to strafe a column of French civilians just to clear a road for advancing Allied troops. Absolutely horrible and disgusting but that sort of thing just comes with warfare. I'm quite sure some of those surviving civilians hate the US to this day as a result but I hope they see that we helped drive the greater evil, Nazi troops, out of their country. I despise what we did in Chile and I won't try to rationalize or excuse it away but would you rather be living under the tender mercies of the U.S.S.R. today or still enjoying freedom? Tough call, yes? Though I daresay I know what most Chileans would answer...a very bad choice on the part of the US.
Mysterious Yobo: by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 04:25:39 PM
Communism will never work (see: Zappa statement above)...it is in direct defiance of that most basic human instinct...selfishness. It remains to be seen about Chavez but I'm betting he'll end up as yet another Kommie leader who ends up being dictator for life, living high on the hog and in the end, getting lynched by "the people."
Time Bandits....anyone by kirttrik	Jan 4th, 2008 04:26:14 PM
Che and Castro meet up with the Time Bandits...and then the hilarity ensues. Che.v.TB 2008
My aren't you an eloquent writer Yobo. by DoctorWho?	Jan 4th, 2008 04:37:53 PM
That must mean you ARE a gentleman. Im duly impressed. You must be college educated as well. Let me spell it out for you, I'll be gentle... Any political practice or theory that is based on an interpretation of the works of Marx and Engels may be called Marxism. The dictators being refered to by me are/were Communist. You sir, are a douche bag. Your "repressed anger and frustration" should be owned by yourself and your untamed mind. It amuses me to own you as such. You are hence known as my 'Bitch Troll'
2 Movies???? by movieman742	Jan 4th, 2008 04:44:48 PM
So are they just like a long 4 hour movie splint in two, or two seperate stories?
anchorite by Ray Gamma	Jan 4th, 2008 05:00:00 PM
Take your head out of your arse. America IS the bad guy.
Predators are Rastafarians by JackieJokeman	Jan 4th, 2008 05:20:43 PM

Sepulchrave, re: "the right has no..." by Immortal_Fish	Jan 4th, 2008 05:40:22 PM
"the right has no psychotic revolutionary heroes worth putting on a poster; hold on: they have no artists, comedians or rock stars either." Hey, brainiac... one of our guys running in the primary is an actor in a drama presently airing on national television. Furthermore, one of our best presidents this century was once an actor. As for comedians and rock stars, there are Dennis Miller and Ted Nugent. And if you opened your eyes, you would see that there are many, many more. This is the part where you say none of these folks count, or they have no talent and suck anyway, or you bash me for some reason, or... Because after all, this IS talkback.
Ray Gamma, re: "America IS the bad guy." by Immortal_Fish	Jan 4th, 2008 05:57:42 PM
Oh. It's all clear to me now. Thanks!
TOO SOON!! by Pageiv	Jan 4th, 2008 05:58:08 PM
SPOILER It has a happy ending!
Che, Fidel, JFK, Roosevelt, Bush, Stalin, Hitler, Johnson, T.R.. by conspiracy	Jan 4th, 2008 06:06:47 PM
Peas in a fucking Pod...Every one of them Empire driven, liberty oppressing,murderous interventionists hell bent on molding the world to their vision no matter the cost on lives or money. The only films worth making or seeing about these types of historical figures are documentaries...and I do not mean the silly Michael Moore type either. Now throw on that Che/"9-11 We will never forget" T-Shirt, turn on your System of a Down/Sean Hannity..and go back to your shared dreams of big government forcing your world view on your neighbors and the rest of the planet. The rest of us are going to go back to talking about movies...and in between figure out how to put a stop to this New Left/Socialist/Fascist/Neocon bullshit.
proletarian hobbits of the world, unite! by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 06:18:04 PM
Some friends worked wtih Sodebergh's crew when they filmed in La Paz, Bolivia, and were blown away with what they saw. We got to see a little trailer of Benicio being Che in the u.n. in new york, all in black and white. Looked amazing. Just like seeing a documentary with Che Guevara somehow closely resembling Benicio del Toro ...morGoth, i do hope you see the film(s), whatever your political view be. There's got to be a lot of interesting visuals of bloody combat, dirty intrigues, etc. Should make for a hell of a story. I dont think Soderbergh is the kind that would paint one side the saint and one the villain. But I bet he will do what he can do show some c.i.a. atrocities and the like. Fidel looks great, wish they had glued a bigger nose on him(like a real troll's), but he sure looks real. and grimy. and he got Stinkfoot, baby.
"It doesn't matter how many innocent people were killed and put by ebonic_plague	Jan 4th, 2008 06:20:42 PM
"... these guys are 'heros' to the left." I am no desire to waste precious oxygen "debating" you cro-mags, but damned if that wasn't the pinnacle of sadly ironic hilarity for this talkback. We create our own reality, indeed. Eat a big bag of dicks, dittoheads.
anybody calling themselves morGoth got to be nazi by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 06:21:25 PM
anyway, no? identify with the dark side?
Looks like Burt Reynolds by ImFixingtoDie	Jan 4th, 2008 06:22:06 PM
Too well-groomed.
"...put in jail..." by ebonic_plague	Jan 4th, 2008 06:22:06 PM
at least give me an orchestra music swell if you're gonna cut me off.
LOL Bitch Troll... by DoctorWho?	Jan 4th, 2008 06:26:23 PM
You truly are a tool. Never address me again.
Immortal Fish by ebonic_plague	Jan 4th, 2008 06:28:40 PM
Miller and Nugent? You think between the two of them they could sell out a state fair these days? And, just curious, if the hollywood elite is the enemy of truth and justice, why do the republicans always nominate them? I suppose if all you need is a puppet to mouth party talking points, has-been actors is the way to go.
No pipergates... by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 06:51:31 PM
...ya gurt ninnyhammer. The posting handle comes from when I used to be addicted to playing Quake online. I figured the "dark enemy of the world" a fitting name for deathmatch playing (everyone in the game is your enemy), yes? I just started using it when I first started posting here because I was too lazy to come up with another clever handle. Nope, sorry to disappoint but I've nary a Nazi bone in my body...I heartily despise the far left and right in equal proportions. I've been alternately called liberal/conservative scum so I s'pose that makes me a moderate. Tell ya what, I WILL watch these flicks when they come out on video just to display my objectivity...how's that? BTW, hope you didn't get pissed at my "ignorant slut" attempt at humor...I were only funnin' ya and it's from an old Dan Ackroyd SNL skit.
if you were liberal you would be morHobbit by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 06:52:47 PM
heh
likewise man by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 06:55:18 PM
glad youre open to see them films
Well said luis1210! by Orionsangels	Jan 4th, 2008 07:06:56 PM

Hah, right you are ebonic! by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 07:08:58 PM
Ted Nugent is about as shitty a guitarist as, evidently, Che was a successful revolutionary! What anybody ever saw in that no talent hack (unless you're a hunter, I s'pose) is beyond me. “Wang Dang Sweet Poontang", what a class act. And please: "I had no idea those were hash pipes on our album cover (Amboy Dukes)." Natch, Miller is as humorless as Nugent is on guitar. OK, he did say one or two funny things once but his humor mostly appeals to those who have a lemon stuck permanently up their asses.
what i saw from the teaser is worthy of big screen by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 07:09:31 PM
even if they be commies. just pretend they're kind of rogue men of gondor fighting against the orcs who later become corrupted by their success and their paranoia. but seriously, looks like Soderbergh is making oscar-grade movies here. my filming friends claim he's holding them back for oscar-season.
Oh, now Hobbits are liberals? by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 07:16:38 PM
I have personal evidence that Farmer Maggot was a Sharkey sympathizer! "Folks are queer in those parts!" A typical right wing gay-bashing remark from Gaffer Gamgee concerning the Tooks! OK, I admit Frodo may have leaned a bit to the left but that was only after Sam turned him down for Rosy Cotton...a known stoolie for the Sherriffs!
once a maggot always a maggot by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 07:23:56 PM
"a tree born twisted will never straighten out"
I do hope that's the case piper. by morGoth	Jan 4th, 2008 07:26:04 PM
And, yeah, I did actually enjoy (mostly) "Motorcycle Diaries" though I think it tended to overly romanticize Che. Hmmm...I've always envisioned orcs as Kommies. "I'll have your number and report you!"
how long for news about the hobbit-films? by pipergates	Jan 4th, 2008 07:48:06 PM
hang on there McKellen! orcs are commies? i imagine Tolkien had a more Teutonic image in mind. Ringwraiths are the SS.
Huckabee LOL by dasheight	Jan 4th, 2008 07:58:16 PM
If Huckabee wins, prepare to have nothing but G-rated family films at your local cinema for the next four years. His wife has already started campaigning against Hollywood, and Huckabee has said that R-rated films "corrupt the morals of the American youth". So, good luck with Huck, Harry.
P.S. by dasheight	Jan 4th, 2008 07:59:55 PM
Not to mention the fact that he said that all AIDS patients should be quarantined and that homosexuality is an abomination.
We've already had the definitive Che movie by chrth	Jan 4th, 2008 08:08:23 PM
Evita.
dasheight: are you new here? by chrth	Jan 4th, 2008 08:09:35 PM
There's no way Harry would support Huckabee. Harry's a lipstick liberal. Nice to see that Huckabee's wife has something in common with Tipper Gore, though.
He looks like a scruffy latino Columbo, kinda... by The Dum Guy	Jan 4th, 2008 08:23:28 PM
At least in the first pic.
Here is a link to a couple reasons why this movie shouldn't be m by BostonAlex247	Jan 4th, 2008 08:28:18 PM
http://cubaarchive.org/home/in dex.php Just link to all the lives these two devils have ruined. ive never posted, but as a cuban american this movie makes me puke. the story of che' and fidel is far from epic, its tragic in the sense that they've ruined the lives of so many ppl for an ideology that any dumb person could tell you could never work. I with this site was more about movies again, instead of politics. CUBA SI CASTRO NO
VICTORBC: CUBA IS CINO by BringingSexyBack	Jan 4th, 2008 08:58:47 PM
Communist In Name Only. Pure Marxism, or pure Communism, as I understand it, does not provide for a party or leader of perpetual power to control everyone. Cuba, the Soviet Union, China - all are totalitarian fascist states that only use the label of Communism to mask its true state. If I'm wrong, someone who is versed in Marxism please correct me. I'm just a Capitalist pig.
Che Guevara was a murderer, and your t-shirt isn't cool. by briantag	Jan 4th, 2008 09:01:14 PM
To all those kids who proudly wear Che Guevara shirts or hang posters of the guy on their wall - listen to people who actually understand history and know that he killed thousands of innocent people en route to undeserved stardom. You don't know anything about him - so throw your stupid t-shirt away and quit trying to be "revolutionary." And if you agree enough with that to join the Facebook group on the topic, here it is, beootches: http://www.facebook.com/group. php?gid=2207390078
Che Guevara was a murderer.. by briantag	Jan 4th, 2008 09:02:27 PM
Fuck it, the FB link didn't work. But you guys get the idea.
ebonic_plague, re: by Immortal_Fish	Jan 4th, 2008 09:06:25 PM

BSB: You're close by chrth	Jan 4th, 2008 09:11:52 PM
The original communism as conceived by Marx and Engels did not have any leadership. However, it was Lenin who came up with the idea of Vanguard Communism, namely, a ruling class dedicated to proletarian values. In theory, after the working class is enlightened, the vanguard can die away. Oddly enough, that has never happened. Some info from Wikipedia (with links to the original text): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W hat_is_to_be_done (remove spaces)
ebonic_plague, re:"(exactly what I thought would be written here by Immortal_Fish	Jan 4th, 2008 09:23:08 PM
"Miller and Nugent? You think between the two of them they could sell out a state fair these days?" BTW, thank you so much for obviating what I predicted. So very satisfying. Those are the only two names I mentioned earlier, so they are the only two that count. Of course. Back to point, could they pack a state fair? Certainly. You underestimate. Yes, they could pack a venue in this day and age, especially considering that Peaches and Herb can still pack a venue in my own neck of the woods in the bluest state of MA. And therein your underestimation lies ignorance. "And, just curious, if the hollywood elite is the enemy of truth and justice, why do the republicans always nominate them? I suppose if all you need is a puppet to mouth party talking points, has-been actors is the way to go." Excuse me? Where exactly do I mention how the hollywood elite is the enemy of truth and justice? And what evidence do you have that accounts for how the republicans always nominate them? What exactly do you mean?
Evangelicals and the R rating. by Rev. Slappy	Jan 4th, 2008 09:25:25 PM
I am a church-goer but not one of the crazy ones. Growing up we were always told it was bad to see R rated films. It's kind of hilarious to see Christians bash Hollywood and then totally buy into how Hollywood rates its own content. It was also hilarious how some Christians advocated taking small children to see the Passion of the Christ.
ebonic_plague, re: "has-been actors" by Immortal_Fish	Jan 4th, 2008 09:29:10 PM
BTW, how does this even apply, considering the Republican hopeful dropped out of his contract from a program that CURRENTLY AIRS on national television? Reagan was a has-been when he ran. Fred Thompson is not. You, sir, are ignorant. Which is not synonymous with 'dumb', but I leave the composition of your response up to you.
Mysterious Yobo is proving my earlier point... by ViktorBC	Jan 4th, 2008 09:31:20 PM
Again! I present history and facts and you can only present juvenile insults. Thanks buddy! Keep up the perfect record of not being able to make a point by point counter-argument. I am waiting for your witty retort...
www.aint-it-commie-propaganda.co m by uss cygnus	Jan 4th, 2008 10:08:40 PM
Movies like this are treasonous garbage. I'm surprised we haven't had a "Osama Bin Laden: The misunderstood humanitarian" movie yet.
I'm a Barack kinda guy by HEADGEEK	Jan 4th, 2008 11:16:15 PM
Like the cut of the man
Be careful Harry, you know what they say by chrth	Jan 4th, 2008 11:22:15 PM
Once you go black, you never go back. Although when it comes to Obama vs Hilary, you gotta go with Bros before Hos.
Communism is evil by danec	Jan 4th, 2008 11:52:55 PM
Why? The proof is in the pudding. Every communist party that has ever come to power anywhere, has been brutal to the extreme... Brutal dictators will kill to take power, communists take power to kill. These guys shouldn't be glorified. I shudder every time I see one of those Che posters or t-shirts. You want to read the truth about communism? Go here: http://ninecommentaries.com/
VICTORBC by danec	Jan 5th, 2008 12:22:27 AM
You should check out that link I posted. Every communist regime in history, without exception, has been an absolute disaster for humanity. Why? You can be sure it is not because Marxism is some benign ideology. It is real twisted stuff. People need to be clearer on what communism is. I don't know if this movie does glorify Che and Castro, but no average person would accept a movie that glorified or treating Nazism as acceptable, why do people consider communist things acceptable? As bad as fascism is, Communists have killed far far more people than Nazis. Another interesting note: talkbackers above have said that communism is not much worse than other types of ideologies. There have been brutal, authoritarian regimes that have reformed and moved towards a normal democracy, the KMT in Taiwan is an example. However, never has a communist regime ever done this. Communist regimes have only ever lost power when they collapse and the sooner the better.
I HOPE HILLARY BECOMES PRESIDENT by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 12:39:49 AM
Just so Anchorite can have that long-overdue fatal heart attack. Fuck you you stupid twat pig fucker.
ALTHOUGH I REALLY LIKE USS CYGNUS by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 12:40:52 AM
Somehow he comes off as a very endearing kind of guy.
SORRY WRONG TALKBACK by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 12:42:03 AM
Sentiment stills holds though.
Danec by jmyoung666	Jan 5th, 2008 01:15:02 AM
Your point has little to do with Communism as most of the brutal communist regimes replaced more brutal fascist/capitalist regimes. For example, no one who knows anything would argue the Sandanistas were worse than the Somoza regime. Also, What Bush is doing in Iraq is worse than anything Che did. Just because he does it through beaurocracy and proxy does not mean otherwise. As pointe dout elsewhere a truly Marxist regime would be much more democratic than anything we have ever had in America. I don't agree with Marx's ideology on purely economic terms, but it is no more prone to totalitarianism than other Western ideologies.
Power corrupts.. by otm shank	Jan 5th, 2008 01:15:57 AM
and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Conservative, liberal, marxist, leninist, communist, or even the fuckin strip mall rent-a-cop. Give a man a rope, he wants to be a cowboy.
otm -> Halle-fuckin-lujiah! by quantize	Jan 5th, 2008 01:37:46 AM
Well said...all these fuckin weenies political point scoring like they think they have something worked out for sure
Immortal Fish by ebonic_plague	Jan 5th, 2008 01:48:22 AM
Yeah, you mentioned Miller and Nugent, two has beens who only get attention from people like you because they've "reinvented" themselves as partisan hacks. Miller hasn't been funny since he cut the mullet and Nugent is responsible for some of the worst music since Yoko, both now have careers solely based on the amount of conservative cock they suck. If those aren't the best two examples you could think of, then name some conservative entertainers who aren't has been hacks. And yeah, I guess I forgot about Fred Thompson's long and storied acting career, it must be the way he melts into his roles entirely. His dedication to the craft is undeniable, and I'm sure his Hollywood star is inevitable. I'm sorry if my composed response put blasphemous words in your mouth, as I'm sure your household rings with the praise of the good deeds of the noble hollywood elite on a daily basis. Feel free to nitpick and loophole your way into "winning" this "debate," unfortunately I'm without my copy of Robert's Rules, I guess I'll just have to resort to the usual talkback dirty tricks and refer you to the aforementioned bag of dicks the next time you feel the need to address me. GOOD DAY, SIR!
ALEXANDER LUTHOR AND ALL OTHER LIKE-MINDED IDIOTS... by ninjatracksuit	Jan 5th, 2008 06:32:26 AM
Hey, yo - check this out: http://www.therealcuba.com/Mur deredbyChe.htm Simple as a smack to the face, but to the point. Do some digging if you need more information from the esteemed source of your choice. The man was responsible for the murder of innocent families and children. Period. How can you argue with this, or even try and justify it with politics or the 'in this time/period of turmoil' argument? Some lines you just don't cross, because, well - after that it doesn't matter how grey you try and paint it, there is just wrong and right. What Che did was wrong - not just wrong, but morally detestable (along with his companero, Castro - see why people in Cuba and Miami were dancing in the streets a while back when they thought he had died?)...And here's the thing - to those that tire of the nag 'Che isn't a hero, etc'...Most people in America don't know the difference between Cuba, Haiti, Latin America, and South America...So when some chic douche waltzes up with their newest Old Navy Che swag...Well, they need to know the truth about him asap - 'cause more than likely their precious new textiles were made in the nation that is the prime example of how horribly a communist state can flay the right of the individual...oh, at 3 cents an hour. Manbearcapitalcommunistpig reigns supreme these days.
'One of our best presidents was an actor' by Sepulchrave	Jan 5th, 2008 07:59:46 AM
that old MYTH. The guy who brought down communism whilst wearing a diaper. The great deluder. The Iran Contra dealer. Reagan was the biggest emptiest bladder of wind who ever flew over the White House. And Fred Thompson is DEAD in the wind, along with his teenage wife. DEAD. Watch for his withdrawal by the end of this week.
Hillary Clinton started out a NIXON campaigner by Sepulchrave	Jan 5th, 2008 08:02:20 AM
that's ALL you need to know about her. She's a vacuous control freak, a bad lawyer, a lobbyist's dream who'll do anything, say anything, marry anyone to get some sort of control. She has NO PRINCIPLES. Read Counterpunch's articles on her career for the full picture. Hillary is RIGHT-WING, she always has been.
The JOKE is that 'Left-wing' in the USA by Sepulchrave	Jan 5th, 2008 08:04:38 AM
is Central-Right everywhere else in the world. You have no left-wing. That's why your children are shrinking from malnutrition; the only kids in the developed world who are doing so.
give em hell sepulchrave by pipergates	Jan 5th, 2008 09:05:18 AM
maybe they'll wake up one day
Your right Sepulchrave by ViktorBC	Jan 5th, 2008 10:35:09 AM
That's why places like France and Germany are now socialist nations with bigger problems than the US right now and really crappy economies. Good example! By the way Bush haters: You sound just like the people that said what Roosevelt did to the Nazis was worse than anything they did to us! History does repeat itself! Iraq is better off and Afghanistan will be the hot vacation spot to go to in 5 years.
M-O-M, SEPULCRAVE by BringingSexyBack	Jan 5th, 2008 02:41:36 PM
Outside of John Edwards, no Presidential candidate interests me. I may go the Ron Paul route ... I have to research him a bit. But if Gore / Hagel jumped in the race the day before election day, they'd get my vote. Easy.
Minor Leagues by Prefect Maximus	Jan 5th, 2008 03:10:47 PM
Is the first part gonna be about Castor trying to make a Major League Baseball team ans injecting steroids in his body??? Hahahahahahahah!!!!!!
Oops!! by Prefect Maximus	Jan 5th, 2008 03:11:17 PM
Spelled Castro wrong.
"Iraq is better ofF" thanx to Bush?!! Thats the most ignorant... by pipergates	Jan 5th, 2008 03:15:03 PM
How many civillians have been killed since the invasion? Saddam was a butcher but a selective butcher. He kept the country in some kind of order. Now its in ruins. It's become a shooting gallery for fanatics and is in barely contained civil war, you fool. And Afghanistan will be a vacation-spot only for mercenaries, extreme thrill seekers and lunatics.
pipergates and Prossor you're wrong by ViktorBC	Jan 5th, 2008 03:57:15 PM
Stop reading the New York Times. Hussein killed more of his own people by several fold more than were accidentally killed by Americans. He was a genocidal maniac. Currently the coutry of Iraq is in a process of repare if you been payong attention to recent reports from the AP. Attacks are happening less and less every day. Unlike yourself I actually keep track of global news not anti-American hyperbol. By the way, Reagan knew economics and how the world works better than anyone. He knew the Star Wars program didn't work and couldn't work during his adminstration. Recently released documents reveal that it was a plan to scare and ultimately bankrupt the Soviet Union. Guess what? It worked! We spent quite a bit on Star Wars, but the Russians spent many times more on upgrading their outdated military to compensate for the US threat from space. No more COLD WAR. By the way again... Reagan based his "Reganonics" programs on economics policies started by JFK. Kennedy was a huge tax cuts guy! You guys are pretty smart you just have a one sided view of reality. Seriously.
by shagdrum	Jan 5th, 2008 04:14:19 PM

Soderbergh's CHE "epic" POS.... by shagdrum	Jan 5th, 2008 04:15:49 PM
Brought to you by capitalism
Prossor and pipergates by shagdrum	Jan 5th, 2008 04:32:00 PM
That was hilarious... some of the most ignorant crap I have ever read! Please post more, I love seeing people making fools of themselves! HA!
Hey Harry... by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 05:07:46 PM
....FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!! He hasn't been banned yet AICN won't let him back in. What gives?
No more Mr. Nice Gaius? by shagdrum	Jan 5th, 2008 05:13:42 PM
Say it ain't so...
Not if we can help it, shagdrum! by DocPazuzu	Jan 5th, 2008 05:15:55 PM
Spread the word!! FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!
Left and Right alike crapping brimstone! by Jesus of Suburbia	Jan 5th, 2008 05:42:52 PM
As soon as I saw the headline, I knew the Talkback would devolve in this way. People condemn Che for supporting a brutal dictatorship that torments its people, forgetting that what he helped supplant was a brutal dictatorship that tormented its people WITH AMERICA'S BLESSINGS AND MONEY! I wonder who will respond in an outraged-blind fury at that?
I can't believe how many ignorant hicks post here. by jmyoung666	Jan 5th, 2008 05:44:46 PM

What did Gaius do? by seppukudkurosawa	Jan 5th, 2008 06:43:39 PM
You know, other than use every talkback as an excuse to pick his fellow talkbackers to pieces, rather than comment on the subject at hand?
I just had to work in the quote... by shagdrum	Jan 5th, 2008 07:18:28 PM
from where the "Mr. Nice Gaius" name came from. What is the issue with that?
Jesus of suberbia... by shagdrum	Jan 5th, 2008 07:25:29 PM
You are outraged that we chose the lesser evil? Get a clue when it comes to foreign policy. We allied with the USSR in WW2 and Iraq in the early 1980's. You can't expect us to only ally with perfect and pure foreign powers; we would have no allies. Look past your idealism
Will there be a scene where Castro falls down flat on his face? by MrMysteryGuest	Jan 6th, 2008 12:04:01 AM
That oughtta be a laugh riot!
ebonic_plague, re: "GOOD DAY, SIR!" by Immortal_Fish	Jan 6th, 2008 08:18:49 PM
O&A much? At least you have decent taste. FWIW, I mentioned Nugent and Miller, WHILE EXPLAINING how they would be used against me. As explained for reasons IN THE SAME POST you replied to, they are the only ones that you were intent to focus on. Again, thanks for making the case for me. There are many more conservatives in the entertainment industry. Why should I bore everyone reading this with facts that can easily be googled? Why? Because it is so much more easy FOR YOU to divert the subject to a tangential. You are such the textbook definitive liberal. All high and mighty. Ready to claim victory. Even here you are diverting the topic from where it originally was focused. Why talk about anything that ultimatley matters when we can instead blather about how many conservatives there are in the entertainment industry as well as how many tickets can be sold at the local fair they may figuratively be featered at. You quibble about your own subjective skills of Miller and Nugent. Meanwhile, my son is a skilled carpenter, non-unioned, and can't find a job because of the illegal infiltratiuon. And you seek solace in a trial lawyer, or a WalMart board member, or an islamic school child? ...? At least I can lay my head to rest easily each night. Yeah, even with the incredible huck.
There is a Left Wing In the US by kevinwillis.net	Jan 7th, 2008 09:05:59 PM
The only have political power in certain urban areas and and in the judiciary. The major political candidates aren't radical lefties, as such--most are classical liberals or populists (though hardly center right). But who cares, this is a fucking movie sight. Obama will be our next president. Mark my words.

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