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Wait a minute... who's in STAR TREK now? The dude in the dress?

I think...FIRST! by Stupendous Man	Dec 30th, 2007 04:06:24 AM
hehe
ZEMECKIS for THE HOBBIT, CUARON for DEATHLY HALLOWS by Vesuvio	Dec 30th, 2007 04:06:27 AM
Fuck everything else, just for the sake of it.
ok...i see what this has to do with Cloverfield... by the_man_from_Rio	Dec 30th, 2007 04:11:47 AM
and what on space is a kobayashi maru?
there she is! THERE she is!!! by Pipple	Dec 30th, 2007 04:18:29 AM

Does he play an alien? by kafka07	Dec 30th, 2007 04:33:07 AM
a transvestite alien?
I don't believe in a no win situation by prunkhaft	Dec 30th, 2007 04:34:02 AM
unfortunately this movie seems to be just that. I was giving this whole prequel concept the benefit of the doubt, but casting Tyler Perry (!) and a bunch of smoldering soap opera stars is a bad sign. man, kirstie alley was super foxy in wrath of khan, as a side note. especially in the lift when her hair was down. I can't believe she got so fat. Her and kelly lebrock.
Big opening weekend guaranteed. by Saluki	Dec 30th, 2007 04:55:11 AM
Hideous drop off and no legs guaranteed. That is the Tyler Perry factor.
bring your hankies by SpanksterOfLove	Dec 30th, 2007 05:04:26 AM
"Tyler Perry's Madea's Star Trek The Motion Picture" looks to be the most heart-warming Star Trek movie to date. Thank you Tyler Perry for not being afraid to wear a dress whilst teaching us all how to laugh and love.
Will he have the chainsaw? by caruso_stalker217	Dec 30th, 2007 05:05:04 AM
Will he go after Kirk with the chainsaw?
Tyler Perry presents Star Trek starring Tyler Perry by Han Cholo	Dec 30th, 2007 05:10:47 AM
Directed by Tyler Perry
no sarcasm intended here, but... by BadMrWonka	Dec 30th, 2007 05:12:51 AM
has Tyler Pery ever been in a film that didn't have "Tyler Perry's etc. etc." as a title? makes the "Tyler Perry's Star Trek" jokes a litle too apropos... I vote they put Robin Williams in the sequel as a tribble!
I hate the talkbackers version 2000000 by optimus122	Dec 30th, 2007 05:12:58 AM
Everyone has to be so witty , say something title related , everyones a comedian..please all of you fucking die already.
Who? by photoboy	Dec 30th, 2007 05:20:28 AM
Never heard of him, and a look at his IMDb page shows I've never seen anything with him in. So what's this about a dress?
DIARY OF A MAD VULCAN WOMAN by Napolean Solo	Dec 30th, 2007 05:39:52 AM
I couldn't resist.
dudelookslikealady!!!!!! by ironic_name	Dec 30th, 2007 05:41:15 AM
myspacebarisbrokenandi just remembered i can press return for a space.
Hurray! I'm NOT a geek! (Or maybe just not a Trekkie) by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 30th, 2007 05:46:38 AM
Reading this was like reading a Spanish novel for me. I have no idea who this Tyler guy is or the incident it's talking about. And now I'm going to have to look it all up. Thank God!
she told me to WALK DIS WAAIIII N TOWK DIS WAHEY by ironic_name	Dec 30th, 2007 05:50:38 AM

Can't be any gayer than adding Whoopi Goldberg to Star Trek by Fatboy_Roberts	Dec 30th, 2007 06:02:27 AM
and that seemed to work well.
Wait with the hate till you saw him in Trek. by DerLanghaarige	Dec 30th, 2007 06:06:06 AM
Then you can hate him. But so far we only know him playing that one woman. Maybe he is bad in another role, maybe he is good. I guess we all have to wait for actual footage till we can judge him on that.
I'm a little confused... by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl	Dec 30th, 2007 06:14:44 AM
..is this film going to be a fresh start or a love letter to the Trek fans throughout the years? Everything I've heard so far seems to reference old ST episodes and movies quite a bit.
If Abrams is going to get this right... by jimmy rabbitte	Dec 30th, 2007 06:29:33 AM
...and I do mean "if"; then this is the type of subject matter he is going to need to include. Dealing with the ramifications Kirk faces after rigging his K.M. test is very smart idea. As was the suspiciously strategic "leaking" of this information. The film still has another year before release; but now it will be a year in which Trek geeks the world over begin anticipating the release, rather than decrying J.J.'s Trek 90210 casting choices. A very strategic leak indeed. Oh... and Spock blows the whistle? What the...?
"Perry opens big" by ironic_name	Dec 30th, 2007 06:34:00 AM
heheehhehe.
"Spock blows the whistle" by ironic_name	Dec 30th, 2007 06:35:15 AM
hehehehehehehe.
Stick a fork in this production... by moondoggy2u	Dec 30th, 2007 06:42:17 AM
There is no way, EVER, that I will watch Starfleet Academy 90210. Who gives a toss abou a bunch of ensigns (no matter their names) running around, whining about girlfriends, grades, or the Dean putting them on double-secret probation? This will be akin to the dreaded Wesley Crusher episodes that were strewn about Star Trek: TNG. I'm forced to agree with Jack Colby: the references are overblown and lazy. Ah well, I stopped really caring about Trek after All Good Things...
Not a big deal. by Prof. Pop-Cult	Dec 30th, 2007 07:01:52 AM
Perry is an actor, and he's been cast to play a small role. It's probably just for one scene, essentially a cameo -- like Christian Slater's appearance in ST-VI. It's stunt casting but I can more easily imagine Perry fitting into the Trek universe more so than Slater.
Tyler Perry's Green Lantern: The Blackest Night by messi	Dec 30th, 2007 07:07:33 AM
Starring Tyler Perry in Tyler Perry's Green Lantern: The Blackest Night. Written and Directed by Tyler Perry.
I agree with Jack Colby by Dr Uwe Boll	Dec 30th, 2007 07:09:57 AM
This may be inoffensive casting but still, how do we know that there won't be more - maybe JJ can throw in a Baldwin brother or a cameo by the Olsen Twins. I keed I keed, but still... Tyler Perry? This is a mite Gay'tarded. I'd prefer it if the New Trek didn't take the Rob Zombie Halloween path onboard as a template for its casting decisions (Oh look, isn't that Dee Wallace!). Not that I have any say in the casting anyway... ho-hum. Happy New Year talkbackers! (a tad early but I'll be flouncing about who knows where when the time comes).
Who's Tyler Perry? by Yeti	Dec 30th, 2007 07:21:32 AM
And what was he in, Bossom Buddies?
Hey ruven76.... by BYOBkenobi	Dec 30th, 2007 07:38:33 AM
His "Loyal Following" is, well...black people. His comedies are targeting the black demographic, just like his TV show. Black people on a Friday night are not looking to go see Little Miss Sunshine, they want things they can relate with so by default, his movies are gonna make impressive bank because it's a guaranteed sale to blacks.
But.... we knew that already by The Chosen	Dec 30th, 2007 07:45:05 AM
It's been months that we had known (i at least) that the first appearance of Kirk in the movie will be the moment when he cracks the test.
STAR TREK Jumped The Shark When It Became Respectable by LaserPants	Dec 30th, 2007 07:46:54 AM
Cmon, you all know that the best elements of Star Trek were the original super campy shows. When it started getting all serious and respectable and well written and well acted, it fell off. I mean, dang! Patrick Stewart is a respected Shakespearean actor! He's too good for Star Trek. Now Shatner, Shatner with his barely competent overblown method acting is what Star Trek is all about. Bruce Campbell should be the new Kirk -- he is much better suited to the role than Matt Damon. (It is Matt Damon, right?) On the Tyler Perry thing... I'll accept it only if he dresses in drag and acts like a raging stereotype of a cantankerous old black lady. Perhaps the crew will reverse the power couplings and go back in time and crash into Tyler Perry's latest awful movieverse causing much slapstick, eye bug outs, and Perry's barely contained raging closet homosexuality.
gratz JJ by palewook	Dec 30th, 2007 07:48:13 AM
another reason i couldn't give a shit about this shaky cam train of a hacked script. who exactly did you blow to get the direction work?
This whole fucking reboot is Kobayashi Maru by Laserbrain	Dec 30th, 2007 08:04:42 AM
No-win scenario.
"barely contained raging closet homosexuality" by Dr Uwe Boll	Dec 30th, 2007 08:08:59 AM
and "barely competent overblown method acting" - lol. This is very true.
Laserbrain and LaserPants... by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 30th, 2007 08:10:35 AM
Are you two related?
Hmmmm! Interesting! by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 30th, 2007 08:15:23 AM
Now that I've read up on Kobayashi Maru, I'm quite intrigued. I especially like the fact that one of the characters in The Usual Suspects was named after it because he presented the other characters with a 'no win' situation. Praise God for Wikipedia.
No Relation Between Myself and Laserbrain by LaserPants	Dec 30th, 2007 08:21:45 AM
Other than our mutual affection for the laserbeam! Verily, though we are not related by blood, we are all brothers in the Light of the LASER! Zap!
Read this somewhere already by aboriginal	Dec 30th, 2007 08:25:59 AM
Like about . . . three plus weeks ago. The tying of the old and familiar with the strange and new for the hardcore fans with he 'ol Koby-maru bit. Ya know it'll be the opener and Kirk'll say something prophetic that'll tie into STII.
Dune Trek: Gom Jabbar vs. Kobayashi Maru by Iowa Snot Client	Dec 30th, 2007 08:27:52 AM
It's on.
. . . and his last name is Sisko by aboriginal	Dec 30th, 2007 08:29:15 AM
Who wants to bet??? Just wanted to throw that one in there. "We are all one big happy fleet!"
JEsus Tapdancing Christ... by Kid Z	Dec 30th, 2007 08:31:27 AM
...This thing's gonna suck!
Diary of a Mad Black Starfleet Officer by LargoJr	Dec 30th, 2007 08:32:45 AM
Well, at last they are TRYING to avoid casting cliches.. yes?
Tyler Perry Presents... by Iowa Snot Client	Dec 30th, 2007 08:40:23 AM
Madea's Aerosmith Tattoo Starring Tyler Perry with Steven Tyler and Joe Perry
Who's Tyler Perry? by cornponious	Dec 30th, 2007 08:45:12 AM
I've never heard of him. And I don't understand the dress comment. But then, I don't watch TV. I like the rumor, though.
wow... by Varakor	Dec 30th, 2007 08:47:54 AM
You guys are talking about Perry as if this trek film is going to revolve around him when in fact he has a cameo. Really it's no big deal, kudos to him. I'm curious as to how this new trek film will play out. I don't wanna say it will suck out right, I want to finally see a good freakin trek film because its been awhile. I'm still pissed there was no DS9 film... KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN NNN!!!!
Divided by JKR3	Dec 30th, 2007 08:50:42 AM
I'm not quite sure what to think. This is the weirdest casting possible, probably, but I see no reason to dismiss it, as we still haven't seen any real footage. Some of the casting is pretty dang good, actually, particularly Pegg as Scotty and Anton Yelchin as Chekov.
Re : LaserPants by Real Deal	Dec 30th, 2007 09:04:53 AM
You're obviously young. The camp only came later with age. And that is part of the charm of ST however it has always had it's serious side. It became respectable in the first year. The fact people still like to see Shatner chew up the scenery doesn't make the whole show campy. It became extremely respectable with " The Wrath Of Khan ". People also like to watch the over acting in that one as well " Khannnnnnnnnnnn! " just had to say it. However if you think that made the whole show campy you've missed the point entirely.
star trek's now gunna have an uber christian message shoved down by sbessiso	Dec 30th, 2007 09:09:56 AM
everything will be solved by going to church!
Yep by LaserPants	Dec 30th, 2007 09:12:29 AM
35 years young! Don't think I missed the point -- I know they were trying to be serious. The sad fact being that trying to be serious often results in unintentional hilarity -- the true strength of the original shows. When every week the crew has to visit whatever set is available -- western, 1930s gangster, et al -- you can't take it too seriously or you look silly. THE NEXT GENERATION was the first time it seemed like it wasn't a joke to me. I suppose the movies were meant to be serious too, but theres no way to get past the implicit humor of the cast and their universally bad method acting.
Wow, once again you have to be either a minority or a women to b by Angry Mike	Dec 30th, 2007 09:18:12 AM
Ever notice that in the post Rodenberry world, only women and minorites pop up as Admirals that the Captain had to answer to. White men in authority only appear when their characters turn out to be evil. There may be an exception or two, but that's the case most of the time.
Tyler Perry is a Cross Dressing Fag by kenichi tanaka	Dec 30th, 2007 09:29:47 AM
Frequently Admired Girly-Man? Now we have cross dressing transvestites in Star Trek? Come on, JJ, add more insult to injury. Why don't you cast Jim Carey or Drew Carey and make this movie more of a debauchery. Why don't we make it more politically correct and call it INternational Trek. After all, Star Trek sounds too Americanized.
Let's see Angry Mike..... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 09:33:03 AM
The director is white, the main characters are white, they've even added a white male side show (Tyler Perry). Everyone knows that the token black face has to be of some minor importance because he/she only has fifteen minutes of screen time before they are killed.
SCREW THIS AND DO A DS9 MOVIE. by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:41:10 AM
Tyler F-ing Perry?!? PUH-LEEZE.
which brings me to another...... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 09:41:58 AM
of J.J'S soon to be hyped up flops.....Cloverdud.
DIARY OF A MAD BORG DRONE by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:42:11 AM

DIARY OF A MAD NOMAD PROBE by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:42:27 AM

DIARY OF A MAD BETAZOID STARRING LWXANA TROI by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:43:08 AM

DIARY OF A MAD TRILL HOST by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:43:47 AM

DIARY OF A MAD GORN by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:44:11 AM

DIARY OF A MAD DELTAN STARRIN PERSIS KHAMBATTA by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:44:49 AM

Angry White Guys Are Hilarious by LaserPants	Dec 30th, 2007 09:45:28 AM
Angry Mike, do you really feel offended / oppressed by having people of color and women in positions of authority? Perhaps you too fell into some kind of Star Treky time warp? I think you'd feel right at home in antibellum Kentucky circa 1835. Let me guess, you're one of those racist/anti-semetic frat guys from BORAT? How's the lawsuit coming along? I bet that Jew has the best lawyers! It must be tough being an oppressed white man. I mean, dang, all that power and influence and you still have to treat non-white, non-male, non-christians with respect and common human dignity?! What the hell went wrong with the world?! The south will rise agin! Soons yall get off the meth and Jeebus! Yeeeeehaaaw!
TEMPLE OF THE DIARY OF A TIRED JOKE IN SPACE OF DOOM by LaserPants	Dec 30th, 2007 09:46:54 AM
We get it, thanks.
You're Welcome...LOL by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 09:48:05 AM

And the token black face award.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 09:56:53 AM
in Star Trek goes to......Zoe Zaldana(whoever the fuck she is).
It would kick ass if Young Khan was the Academy bully by smackfu	Dec 30th, 2007 09:58:14 AM
who pushes Kirk's lunch tray in his face and attempts to beat him up at really inconvenient times...
It better not ... by Zerofun	Dec 30th, 2007 09:59:18 AM
SUCK. Star Trek is this shit.. i hope they don't do to this, what fox has done to aliens and predators. I'm a little worried, but everyone says the script is great. I didnt think the nemisis was bad, I wish they would have stuck with the future of Trek and not a prequel.. but lets hope its going ot be bad ass. O and Tyler Perry sucks...even his TBS commericals suck.
Makes sense by Josh Acid	Dec 30th, 2007 10:01:59 AM
UGO said it...It MUST be true. Because the success of a new Star Trek movie won't be determined by people like us who generally don't like Tyler Perry. This is the best scoop since we learned that Ryan Phillipe was going to be playing Leatherface. Keep up the good work!
"Dude in the Dress"? I thought... by Arch_Stanton	Dec 30th, 2007 10:03:40 AM
I thought you were going to tell us that Rudy Giuliani was going to be in the flick.
actually white mike is right by smackfu	Dec 30th, 2007 10:04:26 AM
In Next Generation all of the Admirals that ever contacted Picard to give him orders were either black, female, or both. It's just interesting that they almost went to pains to make sure they weren't portraying a future where 'the man' was in charge lol. And yes, the only time white male Admirals gave Picard orders, they were evil dudes with hidden agendas.
make that 'angry mike'. by smackfu	Dec 30th, 2007 10:06:17 AM
Though both are right, technically.
who else thought Jamie Farr? by Cotton McKnight	Dec 30th, 2007 10:06:35 AM
Or am I just old?
It'll give the movie another 10-15 million at the box office by godoffireinhell	Dec 30th, 2007 10:09:01 AM
And that's reason enough. It'll bring in a section of the audience that otherwise wouldn't go near a TREK movie.
I once asked my father why there aren't any Arabs in Star Trek by smackfu	Dec 30th, 2007 10:09:47 AM
he said 'because it takes place in the future'...
Kobayashi Maru by The Dude Abides	Dec 30th, 2007 10:09:59 AM
All Kirk does to beat the test is to reprogram the simulator. How exciting will that be to see him hotwire a comp uter?
Kobayashi Maru by godoffireinhell	Dec 30th, 2007 10:11:32 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K obayashi_Maru ---- That's right. Fuck renting a TREK movie that doesn't have Tyler Perry in it!
Bashir on DS9 is an arab by c4andmore	Dec 30th, 2007 10:12:29 AM
his mother was a camel
Ooooh, the Starfleet High School test. by kabong	Dec 30th, 2007 10:18:52 AM
That's the key part of ST canon . . . for 12 year old demographic. Jar Jar Abrams isn't going for any science fiction or galactic spectacle.
So, we'll see the TF Twins' take on the Kobayashi Maru... by Le Chevalier Noir	Dec 30th, 2007 10:19:19 AM
... out of the greatest character dev incarnation of Star Trek EVER. Well, I guess I should've seen that coming. I just hope nobody loses their bladder in compensation of something else in this one. Alas, everyone deserves a second chance... especially if the previous sample of work was a Bay movie.
STAR TREK: DIARY OF A MAD BLACK VULCAN! by J-Dizzle	Dec 30th, 2007 10:24:14 AM
With Christian values!
How About Next Article You Write by Internet Thug	Dec 30th, 2007 10:27:23 AM
You provide some fucking information about the person you are name dropping? Fucking pathetically piss poor journalism right there.
Just one more thing to add... by Le Chevalier Noir	Dec 30th, 2007 10:33:17 AM
I'll personally mangle any Hogrove schoolboy who tries to fuck up the rep of a legend like Leonard Nimoy with a shitty script.
Why... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 11:00:29 AM
Is Leonard Nimoy in a prequel?
And... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 11:02:06 AM
why is he playing Spock? Seriously.
Hell yes! Zemeckis on the Hobbit :D by Evil Hobbit	Dec 30th, 2007 11:05:21 AM
And Cuaron on Hallows. Perfect.
Is he the token black guy of the movie? by Yoda's Ball Sack	Dec 30th, 2007 11:23:06 AM
Say it aint so .........
I was hoping you'd say Eddie Izzard by Succatash	Dec 30th, 2007 11:28:47 AM
I was hoping Dude in Dress would be Eddie Izzard. Don't know who this guy is.
RuPaul as Uhuru's slutty granmaw that called in a few solids to by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Dec 30th, 2007 11:33:42 AM
Tyler Perry's an AMATEUR!
Kobayashi Maru by justcheckin	Dec 30th, 2007 11:41:05 AM
OMG, I know what that is... I am a geek. Tyler Perry, he'll be fine for the part. Good stage presence as a guy. HAHA
WHO THE HELL'S THE CHICK... by 24200124	Dec 30th, 2007 11:43:30 AM
In the Maxim ad on this site?! Goddamn, she's hot.
For those of us that aren'tTrek Fags by Nuck81	Dec 30th, 2007 11:46:08 AM
WTF is Kobayashi Maru
THE MAKING OF A STUPID STAR TREK MOVIE AS USUAL by BringingSexyBack	Dec 30th, 2007 11:49:11 AM
Star Trek is dead. Dee Eee Ay Dee Dead.
KOBAYASHI MARU IS SULU'S GAY LOVER by BringingSexyBack	Dec 30th, 2007 11:50:37 AM
He caught him sucking on Kirk's dick at the academy. It's a big part of Trek lore and intergral to Kirk and Sulu's relationship.
DIARY OF A MAD STAR TREK REUNION by BringingSexyBack	Dec 30th, 2007 11:54:00 AM
With Kirk and Kobayashi sucking each other's dicks.
Never heard of the fella by BADBOYBROM HC	Dec 30th, 2007 11:54:35 AM
Done anything worth watching?
Get Shatner in This NOW!! by picardsucks	Dec 30th, 2007 11:58:33 AM
So we get some B list transvestite but still no Shatner????? At least Perez Hilton will like the casting.
Believe it or Not Fellas by T 1000 xp professional	Dec 30th, 2007 12:04:10 PM
MARK my words this guy will do a good job... Yes I saw Diaries of a Mad Black Women had some decent parts and performances in it. Some parts were even funny. Of course the movie had the whole overdone racial stereotype thing going for it, but it actually wasn't that lazy just done pretty well(hated the inspirational music montage that every single African-American movie has lol, time to move forward please).... Oprah influence got my ex's mom to rent the movie so there you go( watching it was an extreme example of compromise). ANYWAYYSS, Tyler Perry seems like a pretty intelligent dude as well as a decent actor that I think will fit perfectly into the universe....It's a small role anyways, and I really don't know why you guys are hating on this movie so much. It seems to be shaping up pretty well.
I wish... by Rei-Ginsei	Dec 30th, 2007 12:05:58 PM
The last ST series attempted to channel classic Trek, and look how that worked out. Remember when they mentioned the Clone Wars in Star Wars - and then years later they showed you the Clone Wars in the prequels? How many people here imagined something a million times cooler than what we saw? Sometimes it's nice to just drop little bits of info like that and then let the audience make up their own story behind it - you don't need to go back and show/explain everything in detail. If they wanted to return to classic Trek, they should have done a movie set in the same time period but on a different ship. And hey, Jack Colby - don't ask for original content, because that's how you end up with stuff like "Voyager"... Haha! J/K! (not really)
"White men in authority...turn out to be evil." by Bill Clay	Dec 30th, 2007 12:11:09 PM
Just like real life!
I've only seen Diary of a Mad Black Woman by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Dec 30th, 2007 12:23:45 PM
and it was pretty good. I started to watch Madea's Family Reunion, and turned it off after ten minutes or so. Thing is you know that if a white writer producer director made that movie the NAACP would bea all over them. Stereotypes are only funny, and only allowed, if they're done by the race in question. Didn't hate reunion for any racism or stereotypes, just thought it stunk. First five minutes or so and some dude makes a special spa/bath morning for his fiancee after its hinted he beat the hell out of her the night before. So he's got musicians, bath attendants in their bathroom, and he disrobes her in front of them, and she slips into the tub. Boy, talk about geek fantasy that ain't even close to real life. Oh Tyler Perry can act, even without the makeup although he thinks he's a better actor in it. Maybe I'll rent another one, but Family Reunion just soured my taste. I would like to see Perry in another role just so I can see him in roles he didn't create himself.
"if you don't know what Kobayashi Maru is..."? by SkinJob69	Dec 30th, 2007 12:33:15 PM
This is for talkbackers on AICN?? Yeah- and if you don't know who Jesus is go to amazon.com and order the bible.
more scoop on Perry's role by Loosejerk	Dec 30th, 2007 01:06:18 PM
His character's name is Grando and he carries a black lightsaber....in his pants.
I didn't know what Kobayashi Maru was... by JimCurry	Dec 30th, 2007 01:35:47 PM
I looked it up... Sounds gay.
Kobayashi Maru is Kaisar Soze's attorney by I Dunno	Dec 30th, 2007 01:36:54 PM
Duh.
Unfortunatly they couldn't do a DS9 movie by I Dunno	Dec 30th, 2007 01:42:58 PM
Way too much back story. Bajor, the occupation, the prophets, the wormhole...it's all too much. The only time there could have been a DS9 movie was Star Trek 9. It could have been about the Dominion War, instead of whatever the hell Star Trek 9 was about. It could have focused on the war and it wouldn't have been as necessary to introduce all the rest of the DS9 mythology. They could have made a kick ass Star Wars-type action movie before the prequels ever came out and it would have killed. At the same time they could have introduced the DS9 and maybe even the Voyager crew so they'd have somewhere to go with future movies. BUT NO! Here we are with Kirk and Spock. The only DS9-type movie that could work is a movie about Section 31. That would have been kick ass if done right. Think '24' meets Trek.
I was hoping for Eddie Izzard by Larry of Arabia	Dec 30th, 2007 01:53:56 PM
That's what came to mind when you said dude in the dress. That would have been cool.
I support the southern megachurches on this one. by epitone	Dec 30th, 2007 01:56:24 PM
Get the word out on the grassroots level, preachers! You can't spell Jesus without a J, and JJ's got two of 'em!
USELESS POST!! MODS TAKE NOTE !! by dr sauch	Dec 30th, 2007 02:00:46 PM
CAN I PLZ HAV JOB AT AICN LULZ MY OPINION ARE PARALLEL TO URS!
DIARY OF A MEDIOCRE FILMMAKER: by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 02:07:29 PM
The Tyler Perry Story.
STAR TREK: THE GALACTIC JOKE by leobloom	Dec 30th, 2007 02:20:06 PM

Shit, I thought it was Steve Tyler and Joe Perry by I Dunno	Dec 30th, 2007 02:31:33 PM
I thought Aerosmith was going to be in this. Fuck!
Lol I was thinking.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 02:36:58 PM
the same damn thing. Oooookay, obviously Perry was thrown in to get blacks (like myself) to watch this movie.
But..... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 02:39:15 PM
I will not see this movie cause of Cloverdud... what are you going to do J.J, have the enterprise run into a meteor and kill the entire crew?
And TO ALL OF YOU.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 02:42:11 PM
with the diary jokes stop it. Your racism is showing.
Gosh... I guess the only thing cooler... by Roguewriter	Dec 30th, 2007 02:50:00 PM
... than rehashing the Kobayashi Maru story for another STAR TREK movie to psych out the fanboys and make them think they're getting worthwhile fare... Gosh, I gotta go with naming characters in the latest 20th Century Whore AVP shlockfest "Dallas" and "Yutani" just to make us giggle-slobber. Pathetic. And stunt-casting issues aside, what, the only token role anyone can find for black men now is president/mentor/CEO? The guy is talented as shit; he couldn't play Chekov? I mean, if Walter Fucking Koenig can get tapped to play Chekov, surely they'll hire just about ANYBODY, right? Criminy. President or CEO. It's the only bone black actors can get thrown nowadays. It's the 21st century answer to druglords or disposable Klingons...
Racism? by I Dunno	Dec 30th, 2007 02:51:17 PM
Yes, on a site that makes fun of everything, don't make fun of the black man or it's racism.
Shatner 0 - Gay Transvestite 1 by picardsucks	Dec 30th, 2007 03:02:00 PM
Just what the film needs a transvestite!!!! Herc, for the love of christ what's the real deal on Shatner's status???
I Dunno... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 03:05:15 PM
let's see, perhaps it wouldn't be so obvious if there were more black characters in the movies. I've seen you guys attack Will Smith on the other thread and now AICN (And Harry I love your work but you're wrong) places this thread up because they knew it was going to turn into a hate/insult fest. Seriously, we (meaning blacks) don't have many movie stars in Hollywood who has the impact Tyler Perry has. He's a positive impact on the black community in a day and age when we are in desperate need of positive role models. Of course you don't understand what I'm talking about cause it's a black thing.
Transvestite??? by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 03:11:13 PM
When Dustin Hoffman portrayed a woman in Tootsie, did you label him as a transvestite? Again, your racism is showing.
You created this Harry... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 03:16:38 PM
And I spun it. Who is more wrong my man? skywalker, aren't you special.
This Article is OLD and a Waste of Time by Brians Life	Dec 30th, 2007 03:18:24 PM
So, what now are we gonna have talkbacks for EVERYONE that is cast to do a bit part in movies. I didn't see a post that William Fitchner was in DARK KNIGHT...where were you fellas on that?! And DUDE, the Kobayashi Maru news has been on WIKIPEDIA for weeks. I like Tyler Perry...good actor...his addition to this movie certainly doesn't make or break it though. JEEZ!
It's a Black thing? by Angry Mike	Dec 30th, 2007 03:28:03 PM
Trek has become so ridiculously PC, it's, er, ridiculous. Just to re-iterate, ANY time Pichard was contacted by some admiral to get orders, it was always a Female, and if it was a male, he was always Black. When the Admiral turned was white, they were either incompetent or had a hidden evil agenda. And that doesn't just go for Trek, it can go for just about any medium, and it is getting frustrating to constantly see this because in the real world, it ain't like that. That isn't racism, that's reality.
the point is... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 03:28:25 PM
there have been many comedians who have done serious roles. You can't pigeon hole someone for a "role" they played in then start insulting them for it when they want to branch out. But I agree with a previous post by ruven76 who hit the nail right on the head. This is nothing but stunt casting. I compliment you ruven on an insightful post that was honest and direct.
- by CarmillaVonDoom	Dec 30th, 2007 03:29:03 PM

Watch out Nosferatu Jones by CarmillaVonDoom	Dec 30th, 2007 03:29:51 PM
"Harlan Ellison's Watching" ;P
I see Mike... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 03:34:20 PM
so you believe that all sci-fi movies should have females and minorities play servitude roles only. 'Yessah massah Kirk I is comin with that ray gun right away sah'.
Star Trek: The Wrath of by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Dec 30th, 2007 03:36:11 PM
The Itis.
MRX67, when black actors have dignity by I Dunno	Dec 30th, 2007 03:51:52 PM
You rarely see them mocked. Do you see anyone laughing at Morgan Freeman or Denzel Washington? Their recent films, maybe but not the actors themselves. But this guy seems to just perpetuate the stereotype of the black man as a clown. You should be holding marches against this guy alongside Spike Lee, not bitching at us.
I hope they don't screw up this scene. by FlipPA	Dec 30th, 2007 03:54:04 PM
IMHO, this scene has always been a great off-camera moment. I hope bringing it on screen isn't Star Trek's version of midichlorians - then again - Star Trek has done plenty to sell out their own franchise in advance. I'm just nervous about anything that will make this reboot of the ST universe even worse than what it became of Berman and co.
"Tyler Perry audience"-- bull by Mgmax	Dec 30th, 2007 04:18:55 PM
"What does this mean for Trek? It means that "JJ Abrams just bought himself Perrys loyal army of followers. And that means a nice chunk of the black demographic, a demographic not counted on for movies like Trek." Obviously you don't know that the audience for sci-fi always skews more heavily black, that's why there was Lando Calrissian, black power Klingons in the newer Trek series, Pluto Nash, and so on. Adding Tyler Perry doesn't add anything that Trek didn't already have-- a strong black following.
They didn't make a DS9 movie... by mr.brownstone	Dec 30th, 2007 04:26:04 PM
so that more than 38 people would see it.
Pluto Nash? by The Heathen	Dec 30th, 2007 04:31:44 PM
You went from Lando Calrissian to Pluto Nash?!?! I don't think much of anyone from any race saw Pluto Nash. As for Star Trek, I don't think it's crazy to think having Tyler Perry in the new movie will attract that stars specific audience. The series was running tired for everyone including the single white male nerd. Perry just doesn't have the "black demographic", but more so the 30-40 year old women and their daughters who are usually black that go see his goofy family comedies demographic. That's an audience Star Trek never had and casting Perry could help. Who knows? I guess it's interesting none the less.
Soo... by RevengeOfJobu	Dec 30th, 2007 04:31:48 PM
This guy is gonna have about 5-10 minutes of screen time? If that...
To the racists: by CharlesUlyssesFarley	Dec 30th, 2007 04:43:51 PM
You can be any color, including black, so eat it, MRX67. Yes, that means FUCK YOU, brotha. Just so you see how all your black-centric-ness (also read: RACIST) affects us all, regardless of ethnic origin: I've been reading AICN for at least 4 yrs now and this is the first time I've felt angry enough to post. You know why most of you haven't ever heard of Tyler Perry? It's because you're either not a racist, parading as a christian, a christian parading as a decent person, or you're just not "multi-cultural". Hmph! And yes, I have watched the Madea movies, my wife made the mistake of renting a bunch after a co-worker told her how funny they were. She squirmed at the subtle racist innuendos, too. Just so's that all y'all ignoramuses knows: I am neither black nor white, I just feel the need to set these racist fucks, who think that they're not racist at all, in their place. There are racists within my own race that need to be taught a lesson, too. I'm not going to reveal my racial background, because, like 98% of us, I hate the stereotypes, too. I just don't go around preaching how evil everyone is, except my own people of course. Wake up. Unclinch those buttocks and love your fellow human, regardless of race/color/creed/whatever.
Isn't Tyler Perry the guy out of Aerosmith? by pokadoo	Dec 30th, 2007 05:00:14 PM
I suspect'Love in Teleporter' will be the tie-in theme song.
BTW-To keep the thread going...Somewhat. by CharlesUlyssesFarley	Dec 30th, 2007 05:04:25 PM
I'm a Trek fan. Do you people remember that it was multicultural from the start? Not just the bourgeois roles either. This saddens me about this talkback. I really want this movie to be excellent, also. I pray for JJA to make it the best movie he's ever made. Besides, TP won't be in the movie for long, so, people, quit freaking out that the movie needs a fork stuck in it. IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET! Stupid fucks. My apologies for those that I have inadvertantly offended, but FUCK YOU to all that don't even know that you should be offended. Shame on you. Just so we're clear: Just because I'm from another culture other than white, I am NOT automatically going to back up someone's inexcusable racist comments or actions. "The MAN" is not white. "The MAN" is the people in power who abuse it without a sense of hesitation or remorse. Yes, it could mean women, too.
As A Proud Kree Warrior (Blue Skinned), I Too Am Coloured by LaserPants	Dec 30th, 2007 05:05:56 PM
Can't we all just get along? Hold hands across the galaxy and sing songs of peace, love, and understanding? Stop the violence y'all. Erase the hate. Cuz thats wack, yo. POICE!!! No, seriously, whatever. Terry Perry sucks, but does he suck any worse than any of the other bad method actors of the Trekverse? Not really. I'm sure the man will be able to do an admirable job of explaining the 11th hour deus-ex-machina contrivance that saves the crew from its latest comedic misadventure in breaking the prime directive. (Ever notice how the Enterprise ALWAYS breaks the prime directive? They're not supposed to meddle in the affairs of aliens cultures, but thats all they ever do! The Federation is deeply in denial of what it actually is.)
Tyler Perry is a fucking racist by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 05:34:14 PM
That "subtle" innuendo and those "clever" stereotypes aren't funny. And while we're at it, am I the only one who instantly hates those "funny" movies where a man wears a dress? I'm sorry, but that shit just ain't funny. It's no funnier to me than that asshole comedian who always uses the fucking puppets. If you have to rely on a gimmick, your shit just ain't funny. And you know this to be true.
Worst Trek casting announcement so far by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 05:35:25 PM
It's official: JJ Abrams can smoke my pole. Fuck this movie.
But then maybe Perry isn't racist... by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 05:38:12 PM
He may make movies for a black audience, but he is one white-acting snowflake motherf***er. So white, in fact, maybe the conservatives could give him a job like Condoleeza or Clarence Thomas. (AnimalStructure, this is your cue to enter the thread and act a fool.)
Crossing dressing Tyler dude is fine by picardsucks	Dec 30th, 2007 06:08:10 PM
I'm sure the transvestite will be fine. Don't care what color he is though I was hoping for Edward James Olmos to appear and let's see, hmmm, cast list, hmmm yup no Latinos!!! Bloodthirty Nazi Racists!!!!! You people are a bunch of whackos!!! Anyway I want Shatner in this!!!! You hear me SHATNER!!!!!
Tyler Perry's Tyler Perry the Motion Picture With and By Tyler P by IAmJack'sUserID	Dec 30th, 2007 06:13:45 PM
With the subtitle Star Trek below it. Tyler Perry is a self-absorbed cross dressing loser who really lacks talent, but is successful because we grade on a curve.
Firstly...... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 06:15:50 PM
Harry put this thread up because he knew his following was going to post whip Tyler and that's exactly what most have done. If you read his post for this thread you can tell he was stoking the fire. Initially I was thinking of Steven Tyler cause never in a million years would I have thought that Tyler Perry would be in a Star Trek movie.
but.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 06:18:39 PM
then I started reading others posts and I had to go back and read Harry's post again.
As for you Charles.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 06:25:28 PM
I'm not going to throw insults 'brotha' but I will say this. Judging from your 'rage' you appear to be one of those individuals who sticks his head in the sand and pretend things are just fine. This thread where many attacked Tyler not for his acting abilities but because he plays the role of a very amusing grandmother. If we had people like you around during the civil rights movement blacks would still be sitting in the back of the bus.
Pluto Nash? by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 06:31:10 PM
That's one I think even Eddie wishes he could take back...along with a few others.
i'M STILL WONDERING.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 06:37:14 PM
Why Leonard Nimoy is in this movie. Does he arrive from the future or what? And if Nimoy can be in this movie why not Shatner unless Shatner was asking for too much money. Hell bring them all back.
JJ Abrahams - Stunt casting - you're missing a trick- INDIA! by Mr_X	Dec 30th, 2007 06:48:30 PM
There s whole movie going population out there who would watch if you put some bollywoowd actors in a cameo. Amitabh Bachan has enough gravitas to be a starfleet admiral. or if youy wnated 20 something lieutenants sha rukh kahn, hrithk roshan or even ashwarya rai. they have millions of followers in the east, and not just india. you'd have the box office sewn up there. and they'd actually start watching some rebooted trek. And yes, it'd be nice to see some indians out there in space
Angry Black Man aka MRX67 by smackfu	Dec 30th, 2007 06:52:53 PM
You're letting your Angry Black Man stereotypical personality cloud what Angry Mike is getting at. There IS a noticeable level of PC-ness in Hollywood and TV, where casting and story decisions are BASED ON RACE which is the essence of racism, is it not? A non-black example of it would be how in the past 6 years, every single tv show (ahem 24) that features an apparent terrorist attack by middle eastern terrorists, by the end it turns out that it was really evil white industrialists, or some former soviet sect that was behind it. Even that HBO series, Sleeper Cell featured a muslim terrorist group, that consisted of like 1 actual Arab, and the rest were all white, russian, french and black. Which is perfectly normal right? I mean you see terrorist bombings every day on CNN being perpetrated by Al Qaeda sells consisting of white guys, french guys, and black guys, right? You see the producers/writers don't want to be accused or perceived of being racist, so they always make the terrorists turn out to be a 'safe' ethnic group, by 'safe' I mean one that won't raise a big stink about it. There is no white irish lobby that is going to picket Fox because the bomber turned out to be an ex-IRA guy, so they go that route. It's the same with minorities in power in tv and movies. No one is saying 'white people should only be shown in power' on tv and movies, we're saying that it's peculiar and blantantly obvious PC casting, where execs are making casting decisions around racial quotas. It's the same on reality shows, every one has the exact same cast. In every reality show there must be: an equal ratio of blacks to whites, or failing that, there must be more blacks than whites. Because if there are more whites than blacks, that's racist. So there must be equal, or less white people present as compared to blacks. Also an equal ratio of women to men. There can be more women than men, but not more men than women. Because that would be sexist. There must be at least 2 asians, preferably Chinese but Koreans will do in a pinch. There must be at least one gay guy, one mom-ish middle-aged woman, and at least one grizzled old man, the kookier the better. The point Mike and I are trying to make, which I'm sure will be lost on you, is that the very steps that Hollywood takes to make sure something doesn't appear racist, are based on race and are inherently racist. Not that any one race should be consistently prevailant, but that the decisions should not be made using this stupid, PC race quota. I would be just as refreshed if I turned on Survivor one year and saw that there were like 9 asians and 3 or 4 whites or blacks. Or all blacks, or all whites, something that would indicate that the casting was based on the people who applied, and not a check-sheet of racial quotas to maintain some kind of weird PC-equilibrium with all races equally represented.
Umm Smack.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 07:05:41 PM
I don't know what reality shows you've been watching, but all I ever see are the token blacks. The shows you named all had token blacks (only Survivor had two). Let's break it down...Okay we know survivor had two, big brother had one, the amazing race two (which technically counts has one since they were eliminated together.) Need I go on? If there is PC in casting then I sure as hell don't see it. And if there is a quoto then someone should tell NBC, CBS,and ABC because not one of those damn networks have a minority in a starring role. Oh we got co-stars, but no starring roles.
Coolsies, fuckers, Coolsies! by pdennett316	Dec 30th, 2007 07:06:50 PM
The awards should be called Coolsies (TM me), that is all. COOLSIES!!!!
Point...... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 07:14:58 PM
Awhile back a sit-com came on the air called South Central. It was about a struggling single black mother trying to raise a family in South Central. That show was nixed because of ratings. Now let's see, the majority of the Nielson family (those folks who decide for you and me what we watch) are white. Of course they aren't going to relate to a show like South Central just like all of you can't relate to Tyler Perry. Thank God for cable who don't adhere to the racist Nielson Company.
um, Kirk is dead by I Dunno	Dec 30th, 2007 07:17:14 PM
DEAD! No Kirk for you.
Yeah, we whites just can't handle by I Dunno	Dec 30th, 2007 07:19:34 PM
what Tyler Perry is laying down. All that deep, nuanced satire and social commentary. He's like Jonathan Swift meets Dame Edna.
And I'm not Angry.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 07:21:38 PM
not about this because that is the world in which we live. Racists who claim they're not racist but attack a man for the role he plays instead of his acting ability.
Who teh fuk is Tyler Perry? by Man_of_Stool	Dec 30th, 2007 07:22:21 PM
Am I missing something? Is he somebody who pwns teh suk? Or pwn, period?
I dunno... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 07:23:27 PM
aren't you special.
i liked by Zozma	Dec 30th, 2007 07:52:34 PM
tyler perry's family reunion, and that gun toting broad he plays. Couldnt care on way or another that hes in star trek. good for him, role doesnt seem anything major, and with j.j. at the helm, a consice, "meh" sums it up for me.
captboulder is right!!!! by picardsucks	Dec 30th, 2007 07:54:25 PM
Now get us Shatner!!!!!!!
And Tatsuya Nakadai as Admiral Nogumo by picardsucks	Dec 30th, 2007 07:56:46 PM
!!!
Tyler Perry's Diary of a Token Black Admiral by JustyHakubi	Dec 30th, 2007 08:18:38 PM
Hollywood is full of left-wing nutjobs who worship at the PC altar... this is news? As for Perry, he's getting a bit part of no plot significance. It's like casting M as a woman in James Bond. You have to keep the whiny libs happy so the movie crew will get invited to the parties. If the movie sucks it won't be because of him. I'm confident that he can play soldier for his 5 minutes of screen time. Maybe he's always been a closet trekker and wanted to get in a film, who knows?
Maybe it will be like that Christian Slater cameo... by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 08:21:59 PM
in Star Trek V--quick and painless.
DIARY OF A NO-TALENT ASSCLOWN by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 08:24:38 PM

Why not Chappelle as Black blind ADMIRAL... by travis-dane	Dec 30th, 2007 09:10:15 PM
...who thinks he is WHITE?
Autistic.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 09:16:17 PM
You are truly special and I mean that my brotha. Peace Out!
Oh boy. by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 30th, 2007 09:30:57 PM
I love how people can read Harry's mind as to why this story was posted. Insinuating that it was for racial reasons. Guys, have a look at the top of the story. Quint posted this. He posted it because UGO broke the story and he linked back to UGO's site for the original story. So far the only racism I've seen has been here in the talkback. Nice one, guys.
Tyler Perry looks like a Klingon by Series7	Dec 30th, 2007 09:40:56 PM
In that picture. That or he looks a lot like Michael Dorn??? Makes sense that they pick Perry, he is hip and in right now. Pretty much everyone else is at the top of their game. Minus the guy playing Kirk, this'll be his break out role. Like the guy from Balls of Fury (I don't know, the commercial was just on and that guy isn't really known. OHHH MAN! Now the preview for In the Name of the King is on! Awesome combo. 'fart noise')
pUTTPUTT.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 09:41:59 PM
I never said that this story was posted for racial issues. I said that Harry posted this story because he knew it was going to be open season on Tyler Perry. Harry knows his audience and if you bothered to read his post you can see he got them revved up by stating 'that gouy in the dress'. He could have mentioned Tyler's movies or stage plays but he referred to him as the guy in the dress. If you think Harry is innocent then you're wrong.
Does anyone by Series7	Dec 30th, 2007 09:45:14 PM
Else think that this movie may just turn out to be a parody movie? Pretty much everyone added to this movie is known for comedies? Also who thinks that the Shat man not being in the movie is just a big lie?
Again. (sigh) by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 30th, 2007 09:48:01 PM
QUINT posted this story. You feelin' alright? Maybe you lie down. Hey, the Colts are playing! Go watch the game. It's tied.
Michael Dorn by Series7	Dec 30th, 2007 09:48:46 PM
I mean Tyler Perry is a huge draw for the crowd that likes him. Which includes my white 50 plus mother (which I DO NOT live with! I swear I DON'T. I just live in a house she owns....). When this movie comes out I bet she'll see it if she knows Tyler is in it. Actually I just realized my mom is a Trekie. So she'll probably see it anyway. But some of my coworkers who talked about seeing Tyler Perry on stage would probably go see it because he's in it. Maybe not twice like they did with Why Did I Get Married but I bet they'd see it.
Oops, Titans just scored. by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 30th, 2007 09:49:18 PM
13 to 10, Titans!
My bad...Quint..no wonder by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 09:52:44 PM
he posted the cloverdud story. Yea, you got me Quint.
"Maybe you SHOULD lie down." by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 30th, 2007 09:52:51 PM
I might lie down myself. I can't edit. Oh well.
Time to get some critical thinking..... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 09:58:29 PM
and I need it after messin with you clowns. Peace out brotha!
oK SAXON... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 10:14:45 PM
You're special too.
Me! Me! Me! Me! Meeeee!!! by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 30th, 2007 10:16:11 PM
I wanna be special too!
I actually admire Tyler Perry by Han Cholo	Dec 30th, 2007 10:21:41 PM
From what I understand, he was a homeless person who essentially went from rags to riches. I really liked Diary of a Mad Black Woman, aside from its shortcomings and religious overtones, it was a solid film. Although the best black movie I've ever seen was The Inkwell. That movie was hilarious.
A black actor who should get more recognition by Han Cholo	Dec 30th, 2007 10:23:48 PM
Blair Underwood. Why this dude isn't in more movies, I'll never understand. I actually think he's a better actor than Denzel Washington and better looking.
Shit. by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 30th, 2007 10:24:44 PM
Mr Saxon is a meanie. (Walks to other side. Sits and pouts.)
GOOD ENOUGH TO REPEAT ON TWO TALKBOARDS... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 10:25:27 PM
Just saw the Iron Man trailer and i feel redeemed. Finally something good to talk about! If you haven't seen the trailer go get! Black Sabbath Iron Man serves as backdrop music....damn that was fucking awesome!
Xiphos, I know, I know... by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 30th, 2007 10:27:24 PM
He did fess up about the Quint thing though.
Han Cholo by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 10:33:18 PM
Your rights to speak out here are now revoked as your opinions are rather shite, as was THE INKWELL. And Blair Underwood better than Denzel? Um, no.
No Han.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 10:37:16 PM
best black movie was Juice. It had that godfather feel to it at the end.
This is why I give you guys hell.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 10:38:55 PM
Someone comes on here with an opinion you don't like and you trounce on him. Cruel you are a piece of shit man. But you already knew that didn't you.
Artie Lange Comes Out Of The Closet to Sulu... by uss cygnus	Dec 30th, 2007 10:54:07 PM
And the whole incident is recorded in the conference room and played back on the Howard Kirkstern show. Hilarity ensues.
If they are so weak Xiphos.... by MRX67	Dec 30th, 2007 11:05:32 PM
Why critique them. Why bother responding to any of my posts. No soup for you!
Attention talkbackers by systemsbroom	Dec 30th, 2007 11:09:09 PM
The term "politically correct" or "PC" was coined by right-wing radio host types as a straw man to help demonize a whole slew of behaviors that are otherwise pretty uncontroversial. There is no "PC agenda" or altar of PC-ness, as some random talkbacker above referred to. Just a realization, often driven by pragmatic business sense or just plain human decency, that it's a nice idea to try to avoid needlessly offending people. As for the news du jour regarding this star trek prequel thingy, my hunch is that Mr. Perry can neither help nor hurt this movie. It stands or (more likely) falls on its premise alone.
Are You People Serious? by DeeJay	Dec 30th, 2007 11:34:04 PM
Harkening back to the Christian Slater cameo and considering Nichelle Nichols "history" with Gene Roddenberry, Perry’s minor role is likely to be a step forward. Not only does Perry bring-in experience playing multiple characters (via make-up) in one movie, his presence provides an interesting challenge to the science vs. faith argument that is sometimes raised in relation to works of science fiction. Still, JJ Abrams probably isn't likely to be "Golden Compass-ed," so it’s not unreasonable to consider the possibility of studio executives having crunched data that reveals many of Perry's fans to have an interest in sci-fi. While that may sound astounding to AICN posters who grasp onto an inane image of the Perry audience as a monolithic and sequacious cluster of African Americans, it actually wouldn't be surprising to anyone halfway informed. This discussion has been entertaining, though. Beyond the bad jokes, I’ve read posters like Angry Mike slander logic (by contradicting himself with his overuse of the term "always”) and Austistic License emotionally abuse data interpretation (you should change your handle to Regression Analysis, braniac). Smackfu… you do realize that it’s already silly to have so many humans in charge of an intergalactic Federation (which is propaganda at its best) and that a quick view of world demographics exposes the main shortcomings of Star Trek casting as the historic under-representation of Asians and overrepresentation of whites, don’t you? One might view Star Trek casting as being too “PC” if they believed the village of the future looked like an extrapolation of them and their drinkin’ buddies, though. Like it or not, folks, MRX67 brings up some valid points. Question; did Abrams' casting of Winona Ryder generate an entire thread on AICN?
MRX67 by DeeJay	Dec 30th, 2007 11:43:47 PM
You're points are largely valid... but "Juice?" I can get with Cholo's recognition of "Inkwell," even though a lot of people can't decode much of what was going on in that movie. "Juice," however, seemed to reach a particular point of silliness when the kid started outsmarting grown men. Kinda' like "Mummy Returns"...
"Now you got the juice..." by Cruel_Kingdom	Dec 30th, 2007 11:44:39 PM

I Should've Written "Intragalactic," and not "Intergalactic" by DeeJay	Dec 30th, 2007 11:47:30 PM

From the by Series7	Dec 30th, 2007 11:49:53 PM
Guy that directed a couple of episodes of the office. Starring The guy from Shaun of the Dead, Harold from Harold and Kumar, the guy from that joke of a movie Pathfinder, with Eric Bana reprising his corny Hulk role and Tyler Perry comes this years feel good comedy event Star Trek for the Masses. With cameo appearances by Leonard Nimoy and probably William Shatner.
Series7....... by T 1000 xp professional	Dec 31st, 2007 12:02:19 AM
sounds good to me lol
Seriously, who the PHUCK cares about a small part for Perry? by The Founder	Dec 31st, 2007 12:26:17 AM
You can deny it all you want, but you're a racist or have some racial problem if you're bitching about a small part that a black man who's an actual actor is going to play. Perry isn't going to show up as Madea. I've seen the man play a regular role and he's fine for whatever part JJ is giving him.
Perry is an actual actor, much like Travolta or Hoffman, who bot by The Founder	Dec 31st, 2007 12:31:55 AM
Why is it a problem if perry has some bit part? Their are quite a few respectable actors who put on women cloths for a role. Perry is no different. The man is an actor, who was also denied by Hollywood before he started doing his own shyt. Looking back, I'm sure Perry is glad that Hollywood rejected him, or otherwise he wouldn't have made over a 100 million dollars to add to his personel fortune. He'd be just another black actor, who's not Will, Denzil, Sam or morgan. He'd probably be on Law & Order SCU or something.
"a small part for Perry" by ironic_name	Dec 31st, 2007 12:41:14 AM
heh
Well at least they haven't cast Ben Stiller in it yet... by br1947	Dec 31st, 2007 12:49:39 AM
I love Trek, and agree it needs a major, major, MAJOR reboot, but the more I see of this... the worse feeling I get. I have a horrible, horrible visions of this being very "Starsky & Hutch" or "Dukes of Hazzard" style remake. Damnit...
Good Points on Perry tho... by br1947	Dec 31st, 2007 12:53:06 AM
alot of people had crappy roles in their past. Saw Forrest Whittaker on "Species" earlier today on AMC, totally forgot about that.
OHHH!! by br1947	Dec 31st, 2007 01:04:55 AM
"Where No Fan Has Gone Before" episode of Futurama is on now... nice!!!
Ruven by DeeJay	Dec 31st, 2007 01:05:37 AM
It's too bad you feel that way, despite Perry's having played multiple characters in almost all of his movies. That is, save ones like his most recent outing (where he only plays one young professional male character). I hope you don't consider yourself a Trekkie or Trekker, as the manner of typecasting you proport was just the type of thing that was said to limit James Doohan's post-Star Trek career.
I wonder who will be cast as Welshie? by br1947	Dec 31st, 2007 01:10:01 AM

MRX67 by Varakor	Dec 31st, 2007 01:13:16 AM
Dude I can understand your anger against the talkbackers here, but honestly these forums are never pro/con black, white or any other race. Even JJ Abrams faced the wrath of the talkbackers when he penned the Superman script that had Luthor as a kryptonian, Krypton never blew up and a whole bunch of other funky shit that may have been better than Superman Returns. Remember when Harry "released the hounds" at one of his signings and soon after pulled his articles then bashed the talkbackers? Now that was some good times.... No actor/director/producer of any color is safe from the talkbacks. so what they make fun of perry, so what they make fun of him in a dress, so what they make fun of his films, tomorrow we can get a JLA announcement and this thread will be forgotten until a solid trailer comes out. Lots of people/films have been bashed in these talkbacks and a lot of their bashing was moot because a lot of films went on to success (Transformers 2007, i don't care what anyone says it kicked ass).
TREK is DEAD! by HExTeXly	Dec 31st, 2007 01:23:10 AM
Long live Trek.
This makes perfect sense by johnypanic	Dec 31st, 2007 01:27:14 AM
To expand the Trek fanbase into the urban community. Let's face it, Tyler Perry is to black people what crack is... to, uh, black people
johnnypanic by Varakor	Dec 31st, 2007 01:33:43 AM
hehehehehe you made milk come out my nose. LOL
Varakor by DeeJay	Dec 31st, 2007 01:35:06 AM
First... despite its utter silliness, I also enjoyed "Transformers." From a logistics standpoint, I think the movie was a wonder of filmmaking. That said, I hearken back to my question as to whether there was an entire talkback geared towards Winona Ryder being cast in this very same film. Ultimately, the issue isn't whether a man in a dress is a funny image... it's why Perry (who is to be in how many scenes?) having a minor part in this movie is seen as significant enough to be the source of an entire talkback on AICN. The concern is not with how people respond to the question, but why this particular question was raised in lieu of any related to the other performers tied to this project (most of whom will play a more significant role). How would you explain this?
What Makes Even More Sense... by DeeJay	Dec 31st, 2007 01:44:39 AM
... is that Abrams did this simply to aggravate people like Johnypannic. An added benefit would be to get the Johnypanics out there to reveal their true colors. As an aside, the urban community embraced Star Trek a long time ago--- probably before you were born, fellow poster. Varakor... I hate to tell you this, but that white stuff coming out of your nose isn't milk.
DeeJay by Varakor	Dec 31st, 2007 01:47:14 AM
I am certain there was a talkback on Wynona being cast. Anyone who was cast for this film had a talkback about them. There have been countless talkbacks based on actors/actresses either having major or supporting roles. Have you been reading AICN since the incarnation of star trek 11 was strewn about? As I recall most of the talkbackers wanted the series laid to rest for awhile and come back fresh. As I recall JJ was bashed for even thinking of a reboot. So don't try to make reason for this particular talkback, white/black/hispanic/asian actors and actresses have all faced talkback wrath so don't take this particular talkback to heart just because Tyler Perry is black. If any black actor needed saving from a bashing you should stand up for Michael Clark Duncan when he was cast as Kingpin. Nuff said.
I'll forgive the.. by Varakor	Dec 31st, 2007 01:53:09 AM
not milk coming out my nose because you're angry. But why you're angry, well dude stick around AICN for awhile and you'll see on your own.
Guy in a dress by hamslime	Dec 31st, 2007 02:19:46 AM
I thought you were referring to Eddie Izzard. That would have made me watch this. Tyler Perry... not so much.
Varakor & Xiphos by DeeJay	Dec 31st, 2007 02:30:46 AM
Varakor... unfortunately, I've been around AICN for somewhere near a decade and, unfortunately, this entire exchange is nothing new. Still, how can you be so mendacious to claim that this talkback has nothing to do with race after you’ve lauded a comment where someone specifically besmirches "black people" in this discussion? If you have a moment, please re-read my posts. Before this response, my only reference to African Americans was saying that Perry's audience wasn't a monolithic Black group. The people who’ve insisted on making this a race issue, it would seem, are the very people (Angry Mike, Autistic License and Johnnypanic) you're defending by inference. While your civility is appreciated and you seem like a good person, your defense of their behavior only brings you to their level. Xiphos... okay, then where are the links to the Winona Ryder and Eric Bana-specific talkbacks? Perhaps they had "witty" titles that make them a challenge to find in the archives?
captboulder, just don't talk about candlejack or you will di by ironic_name	Dec 31st, 2007 02:56:46 AM

br1947, about welshie by ironic_name	Dec 31st, 2007 03:00:18 AM
ian cusack, desmond from lost.
in a fat suit, of course. by ironic_name	Dec 31st, 2007 03:01:34 AM
WELSHIEE!!!
"reverse the polarity of the shields!" by ironic_name	Dec 31st, 2007 03:02:58 AM
"can you form a rudimentary lathe?"
First.... by Varakor	Dec 31st, 2007 03:03:15 AM
My initial response was toward MRX67 and his being upset that Tyler Perry is being made fun of when infact many actors and actresses have been the brunt of many talkback spewage, second Johnnypanic's joke was funny and if that pisses you off then Dave Chappelle's Tyrone Biggums must REALLY piss you off (and I laughed my ass off at him for doing that) Black people can make fun of themselves and any other race, why is it so wrong if someone else does it? lastly you ask Xiphos to post links to eric bana and Wynona Ryder articles yet in the same breath you state you've been around AICN for near a decade? Near a decade and you're angry about this and a crack joke? Sorry dude I've heard a LOT WORSE on these pages. A LOT WORSE.
I'm with MRX67. If I was an autistic, albino I'd be insulted... by The Dum Guy	Dec 31st, 2007 03:11:23 AM
'Cause those "types" of people are never portrayed in a flattering way, nor appreciated when they are on screen (I'm thinking of Powder).
Kind of good news... by Galilee	Dec 31st, 2007 03:24:17 AM
I am no fan of Tyler Perry's work, but being a white guy from an upper-middle class upbringing, I wouldn't be. I do know that he can act, and as an actor I think it is about time he was recognized.
Quint(not Harry, sorry Harry) knew he was wrong.... by MRX67	Dec 31st, 2007 04:32:46 AM
for placing a bullseye on Tyler's back. He gave me a Cloverdud thread though so I ain't mad anymore.
I don't qualify because I'm Mister Positive around here 99% of t by the podosphere	Dec 31st, 2007 05:37:26 AM
Kevin Smith laid the smackdown on you haters. Listen up bitches: http://tinyurl.com/ys6e93
Say what you will about Madea by Series7	Dec 31st, 2007 07:14:45 AM
But if us Trekkie nerds have anything to worry about the casting of this movie its...Karl Urban. The more I've thought about that casting the more I realize its a horrible choice. I mean Bones is either kind of a background character or its a Spock/Kirk/Bones adventure. Hopefully JJ doesn't make Bones one of the main stars. I mean Karl Urban was good in LOTR and Bourne, if you even knew he was in those movies? I didn't. The guy is the most forgettable actor of recent.
Joe Perry for Kirk's Dad!!!!!! by Diagnostic	Dec 31st, 2007 08:02:43 AM
Yeah. One up PotC:awe.
how does this scene wash with a star fleet commendation? by captain_kirk	Dec 31st, 2007 08:15:20 AM
After all, Kirk got a commendation for original thinking, per McCoy, Leonard H., Son of David. I could see him getting yelled at, but he should get some redemption in there, shouldn't he?
tyler perry by captain_kirk	Dec 31st, 2007 08:22:02 AM
what I think JJ is trying to do is to pepper the movie with "big cameos", ie, the kind that big Oscar-type dramas do to draw everyone in by saying "EVERYONE is in the movie!" Stuntish, perhaps. However, completly appropriate
MRX67 by Mr_X	Dec 31st, 2007 08:40:15 AM
is not me * backs away slowly*
Do they have a part for Larry the Cable Guy? by Omegaman	Dec 31st, 2007 09:09:55 AM
Because thats what this is like. Abrams is an idiot.
Diary Of A Mad Black RedJac by uss cygnus	Dec 31st, 2007 10:08:26 AM
Talk about a "Wolf In The Fold"...
Cusack would be a good Welshie... by br1947	Dec 31st, 2007 10:19:54 AM
I'm thinking Ioan Gruffudd would work too Welshieeee!!!
I knew you were a total douche, LaserPants by IAmJack'sUserID	Dec 31st, 2007 11:23:56 AM
I love it how you're automatically a racist if you disagree with the casting of Tyler Cross-Dressing Perry.
This is NOT about casting a BLACK man in the role... by Angry Mike	Dec 31st, 2007 12:26:35 PM
It's about ALWAYS casting either a woman, a black man, or an alien in a role of authority over the Captains in Trek, and the ONLY time a WHITE man is cast is when he's a doofus or evil. What is so hard to understand about that?
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT STAR TREK!! by dundundles	Dec 31st, 2007 12:27:30 PM
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT STAR TREK!!
Angry Mike by DeeJay	Dec 31st, 2007 01:24:40 PM
You're just stirring the hornets' nest, right? That's why you've written the exact same contradictory statement about 3 different times, isn't it?
Varakor & Xiphos by DeeJay	Dec 31st, 2007 01:45:26 PM
Varakor... yes, there's been worse, but that doesn't mitigate some of the things written in this talkback. Actually, I'm not mad, just dissappointed. Also; I asked for links because I've yet to be persuaded that any similar Ryder or Bana-focused talkbacks existed. Please feel free to prove me wrong. Xiphos... as you know, there's a difference between having some jokes spread-out through various chats and focusing an entire talkback on the critic of one person having a bit part in a movie. One of those scenarios likely shows a certain amount of malice.
Every actor at some point in their career works on star trek by George Newman	Dec 31st, 2007 02:12:31 PM

Non issue by ewokstew	Dec 31st, 2007 02:21:26 PM
He will probably be in it long enough to say a few lines and then be gone. You're right..it must be a slow news day.
I'm way behind on this... by AntoniusBloc	Dec 31st, 2007 02:39:53 PM
Who are being cast for the major roles, Kirk, Spock, Mccoy? It seems to me for this to work, those roles would require big name actors, who can act. Otherwise, this will be tough to pull off. The original cast had almost perfect chemistry, never duplicated in the modern start trek series, probably because they never came up with better characters, and a better mix of characters.
I keep repeating because some don' by Angry Mike	Dec 31st, 2007 03:07:46 PM
There is nothing contracdictory about it, I keep repeating it because some keep taking what I'm saying and changing it. Is there anything racist about my statement?
Dude if you're dissapointed now by Varakor	Dec 31st, 2007 03:30:36 PM
after visiting this site for nearly a decade, then you may as well just cut your losses and stick to visiting other sites with less commentary, because this is the way the talkbacks have been for as far back as I can recall and I have been here for about a decade, which is why nothing surprises when it comes to the comments made here. and i will repeat NO ONE, no actor/actresses/ or even fellow talkbackers are safe from insults in the TB. So what? Tyler Perry is gettin ripped on? get over it dude. as I've said previously this will be old news in a day or 2 and someone new will be the brunt of insults. As for finding a specific link about Bana and Ryder, I'm with Xiphos it's been done and he doesn't have to show you specifics links because again by your own words you've been here nearly 10 years and you've seen worst. Let the Tyler thing go and throw out some jokes of your own. You wanna rip on a white actor, asian actor, hispanic actor. then go for it because if you don't someone else will.
If any group of people should be upset by Trek it should be... by br1947	Dec 31st, 2007 04:28:50 PM
the Red Shirts. Very few ever saw the 45 minute mark of the show.
by br1947	Dec 31st, 2007 04:31:32 PM
http://tinyurl.com/9t69m
I Am Jack's Inability To Read And Comprehend by LaserPants	Dec 31st, 2007 06:02:12 PM
Umm, sweetheart, I didn't accuse anyone of racism for disliking Tyler Perry. I think he sucks too, but reckon he's competent enough to rattle off whatever 11th hour deus ex machina contrivance saves the crew from their latest transgression of the prime directive. If you read my post, and, more importantly, understood it, you would discern that I made the comment in regards to Angry Mike's misplaced anger, delusion of oppression, hilariously disturbing white male angst, and sense of unease in regards to the fact that Star Trek dares to feature people of colour and women in roles of authority. The implied idea of a truly equitable future between all races and genders really freaking out present day racist angry white guy types who inexplicably see themselves as oppressed even though they still maintain the clear edge in the social order. Understand? But then again, I get the sense that your not the type of guy who reads all that much; to say nothing of the whole crucial comprehension aspect. So, good luck! Have a great New Years Eve! Yay!
oh god.... by seniorspeilbergio	Dec 31st, 2007 06:24:07 PM
This is going to suck. Just because it's in the past doesn't mean you have to reference every single conversation Kirk and Spock ever had about there past. You want to blow me away? Show me shit I've never heard them talking about before. Stuff you would never have suspected, like here's one: why not make Kirk a geeky bookworm who GROWS into the mythical captain and ladies man we know by the end of the story. How about that? Was that so fucking hard?
Who Is The More Blatantly Gay Duo? by LaserPants	Dec 31st, 2007 06:27:42 PM
Batman and Robin ~or~ Kirk and Spock???
Important story on racism- by SkinJob69	Dec 31st, 2007 06:36:57 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3bh6uu
I Always Thought Jennica St. Foxxx Was A Racist! by LaserPants	Dec 31st, 2007 06:50:05 PM
You can always tell the way she makes that grimace whenever she's being triple penetrated by various people of colour. Actually, she makes that face when its all white guys too. Hmm. Still, its pretty clear from that video link SkinJob69, that even the porn industry isn't without its social transgressions, predjudices. and peccadiloes. When will the madness end? WHEN?!?!
Yes, LaserPants- by SkinJob69	Dec 31st, 2007 06:52:40 PM
It's filthy and disurbing...in the bad way.
excuse me ladies... by seniorspeilbergio	Dec 31st, 2007 07:03:54 PM
but this was a thread about Star Trek right? Just checking.
Apparently you haven't read much of the thread, senior! by SkinJob69	Dec 31st, 2007 07:06:10 PM

Hey systemsbroom by JustyHakubi	Dec 31st, 2007 07:26:22 PM
The term and concept of "political correctness" has been around long before right-wing talk radio began to use it as a pejorative.
no, i haven' by seniorspeilbergio	Dec 31st, 2007 08:12:52 PM

No, I haven't SkinJob... by seniorspeilbergio	Dec 31st, 2007 08:13:46 PM
Why would I waste my time doing that?
Oh, two more things.... by seniorspeilbergio	Dec 31st, 2007 08:31:20 PM
Not every actor in Hollywood who's a Star Trek fan should be cast in the movies or shows also JJ Abrhams= overrated. Joss Whedon= underrated. That is all.
Karl Urban is Bones??????? When did this happen? by The Founder	Dec 31st, 2007 09:14:19 PM
Urban as Bones? I don't see it.
Perry's cameo isn't going to make Blacks flock to see trek. by The Founder	Dec 31

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Wait a minute... who's in STAR TREK now? The dude in the dress?