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Herc’s Seen Tonight’s Final Episode Of JOURNEYMAN!!

so sad.... by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 06:41:36 AM

I really hope Sci-Fi channel picks this up by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 06:44:09 AM
This blows.
Just watched Ong Bak last night.... by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 06:44:57 AM
so I would like a giant statue head to fall on top of Zucker. Does that count as my Christmas wish?
I keep hoping that Moon will 'time jump' by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 07:03:26 AM
into my bedroom. I realize there would be an awkward moment or two with the wife, but I'm sure we could get past that.
Here's hoping... by fanboy71	Dec 19th, 2007 07:12:51 AM
That NBC will see the error of their ways and return Journeyman to us next season.
It's dead by Jor-El23	Dec 19th, 2007 07:21:23 AM
sadly. even if the strike lasts into the winter or early spring, and they need to bring back established shows like Journeyman, Chuck, Bionic Woman etc...won't all the actors be off on other projects?
I still like my giant statue head squashing idea better by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 07:22:19 AM
No Zucker = No cancellation (one would hope)
AND THANK GOD by Series7	Dec 19th, 2007 07:22:59 AM
Lets us be done with the Journey man TB. Which only turns into a why isn't there a Reaper/Chuck/Flight 28 Down/Dexter/Yo Gabba Gabba TB! Seriously enough with Boringman.
good point Series7...why isn't there a Reaper post? by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 07:29:41 AM
or a Chuck post? Or a Flight 28 Down post? Or a Dexter post? Thanks for mentioning that!
So when is the next episode of REAPER? by SpyGuy	Dec 19th, 2007 08:01:21 AM
Aren't there two episodes left to air? I needs me some Ray Wise awesomeness.
I Missed Monday by BojTrek	Dec 19th, 2007 08:03:48 AM
Can I download it for iPod Touch somewhere?
This show was never about Steve Perry, was it? by tonagan	Dec 19th, 2007 08:19:56 AM
Now everyone go watch Life on Mars, which TV Guide calls "Journeyman done right."
One of the biggest mistakes ever in TV by CeejayNightwing	Dec 19th, 2007 08:28:40 AM
This show has been solid from the start and only kept getting better as it went on. The idiots who palmed it off as just another Quantum Leap without giving the show its due appreciation are as brainless and blind as the studio execs who cancelled it. Bionic Woman they put a fortune behind trying to keep afloat and exceptional shows as good as Journeyman has become gets judged by its viewing figures? Do these guys ever WATCH any of these shows themselves, or are they simply system analysts who can only communicate in the language of numbers? BojTrek, yesterdays episode was great, Dan leaves something behind in the past and the future technology changes dramatically!
Series7 feck off! by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 08:31:25 AM
and let us lament on the passing of a superb series, instead of the crapfest ( apart from dexter) of shows you watch. NBC execs, you have gained entry into the seventh level of hell for the demise of this show and your network. This weeks epsiode was another superb show, god damm i'm gutted. if there is a higher power please let another network see the light and pick it up
excuse me powers that be by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 08:38:13 AM
Is the final show on tonight?
Pennsy semi-exclusive: Heroes Volume 3 trailer by Pennsy	Dec 19th, 2007 08:43:15 AM
Via Michael Ausiello of TV Guide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =5iBLZ_4rTuQ
Journeyman seemed like Quantum Leap by Jor-El23	Dec 19th, 2007 08:47:52 AM
at the beginning. I still liked it just because the leaper was going back and forth from the past to his present life so they added the new wrinkle of missing time, his family dealing with it, etc...but then they add another layer with Livia and then Dr. Langely and they just keep layering and it becomes much more.
I'm with Tonagan...LIFE ON MARS is JOURNEYMAN done right by SpyGuy	Dec 19th, 2007 08:59:18 AM
"My name is Sam Tyler. I had an accident and I woke up in 1973. Am I mad? In a coma? Or back in time? Whatever's happened, it's like I've woken up on a different planet. Now maybe if I can work out the reason, I can get home..." There is no way David E. Kelley will be able to recreate the awesomeness of DCI Gene Hunt. He's too much of a Jessie!
Livia is assumed to still be alive as an old chick by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 09:17:41 AM
She would be 84. Maybe I should look her up....
Old Livia... by Strabo	Dec 19th, 2007 09:23:54 AM
...there are several episodes where Livia shows up on Dan's travels in the past to help where she brings a car. Dan asked her where she got the car in one episode. Livia replied that she borrowed it. An educated guess is that Old Livia is still alive, or at least, her 1948 husband is, sometime in Dan's present (or at least during his sojourns in the past) and that she's borrowing the car from herself or her husband. Mr Saxon, your best bet is torrents/newsgroups. I believe Sci-Fi has aired the Christmas Specials at the start of the new seasons when they start airing them six to nine months after they debuted on the BBC.
Im staying spoiler free on this one. by Mezzanine	Dec 19th, 2007 09:24:01 AM
Yup.
Trik_Ster, why do you say that? by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 09:28:07 AM
Please elaborate. I think he's top-notch in this show, and though I've never seen Rome, people have raved about him in that as well.
Mr Saxon, are you one of the Santas in the mall? by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 09:29:31 AM
Just curious since you are filled with so much Christmas spirit (are your instructions in Spanish as well?)...LOL
Giving up on NBC... by Philvis	Dec 19th, 2007 09:41:27 AM
Minus Chuck, NBC isn't giving me a reason to watch anything new they put on. Heroes, which I loved the first season, stunk this season. Journeyman is a great show I happily watch each week and am very disappointed in NBC apparently dropping it. The Monday 10 o'clock hour on NBC is a death wish. I invested a few months last year on the Black Donnelly's and that was axed pretty quick. Whatever happened to changing the time you put a show on before you give up on it? I realize NBC pools all their money on ER and Deal or No Deal, but they really need to stop giving up on shows so soon before they do anything to better the ratings. Hey, we do have fresh Conan and Leno shows coming back on Jan 2nd though...woohoo(sarcastically said).
Mr Saxon by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 09:52:13 AM
I must admit, you killed me with that last response. That would be a great line for a talkshow host, no? "All I speak is the motherfucking truth."
nah...just called "The Motherfucking Truth" by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 09:58:20 AM
hosted by Samuel L. Jackson.
Life On Mars Series 2 is on BBC America... by Christopher3	Dec 19th, 2007 10:23:10 AM
Right now. They're two eps in. I find it more "Vanilla Sky" than "Journeyman" myself. Good show though.
life on mars was excellent by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 10:35:36 AM
but LOM is recommended, (im in the uk, hardly watch uk tv, but that was something special.) LOM and journeyman are two different kettle of fish. as someone said b4, all they have in common is time travel. like csi and sledgehammer. motherfuckers. god i wish this strike continues and cripples nbc i really do. JEFF FUCKING ZUCKER DAMM YOU!
JEFF FUCKER by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 10:36:50 AM
im grasping at straws now
Life on Mars sounds screwed up by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 10:39:26 AM
I wish I could watch it. I'm sure the American version will suck.
how depressing, by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 10:41:03 AM
there's absolutely nothing on tv to shout about. 24, is turning into a turd like heroes, BSG last season ( yeah yeah loved teh ftl jump) was lacklustre.
it's become a barren landscape for good shows by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 10:42:54 AM
But Gladiators is coming. How fucktastically....lame.
LIFE ON MARS is availble on dvd by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 10:43:23 AM
it lasted 2 seasons ( thats how long is was envisaged for) check them out. you really do have to start form the begining. as the first 20 minutes you'll figure out whther you love the show or hate it. there's always torrents
Mr Saxon for doctor who by semisaj	Dec 19th, 2007 10:44:06 AM
http://www12.alluc.org/alluc/t v-shows.html?action=getviewcat egory&category_uid=547 Try this site a couple of days after it is aired and it will stream the show...no downloads required
recommended viewing by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 10:45:19 AM
dexter so far has ben going really well. i enjoyed brun notice for what it was. house this season has been excellent, truely brilliant. since im running out of quality programming i'm going to start n shows that i missed first tiem around, ive heard deadwood is good, so i'll give that a shot
recommended viewing by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 10:45:22 AM
dexter so far has ben going really well. i enjoyed brun notice for what it was. house this season has been excellent, truely brilliant. since im running out of quality programming i'm going to start n shows that i missed first tiem around, ive heard deadwood is good, so i'll give that a shot
just pillow talk for life on mars by semisaj	Dec 19th, 2007 10:46:23 AM
http://www12.alluc.org/alluc/t v-shows.html?action=getviewcat egory&category_uid=9672 Come on guys do you not know about streaming sites?
Dexter--with spoiler by semisaj	Dec 19th, 2007 10:48:20 AM
You gotta love Doakes...one of the best TV characters ever...cant believe they killed him...this is the best show on tv at the moment!!
I agree-spoiler by optimus122	Dec 19th, 2007 10:52:01 AM
Killing Doakes took some balls..he added a lot to the show. I hope they add some new talent next season.
Dead Zone and 4400 aren't coming back either... by tonagan	Dec 19th, 2007 10:53:18 AM
http://tinyurl.com/yobrsz
optimus122 by semisaj	Dec 19th, 2007 10:58:00 AM
Thats why Dexter is consistently the best show on tv at the moment, because they do the unthinkable..from what I have been told series 1 and 2 have been based on the books...and a 3rd series would be totally new material that has nothing for it to be based on..still gutted about Doakes anyone who can swear that fluently is always good..I believe he is the only American who could say the word c*nt better than us Brits
many thanks semisaj.... by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:04:12 AM
Just watched the first few minutes (at work), and I love the little kid in the alley "smash his face in" when the cop is chasing that dude from his house. I really wish these were on Netflix though.
wow dead zone and 4400? by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 11:06:26 AM
dead zone last season was absolute crap, with micheal piller gone, it just went into a tailspin. but what a kick in teh teeth for fans that the whole armgeddon storyline that was thought the whole series was not concluded. what a fucking joke! honestly the 4400 fortold exactly what is happening to heroes, the mini series was excellent, then the pseudo mulder and sculler partnership came to teh forefront and it went absolute crap. they had such a great headstart and the story telling went down the fucking tubes. baby into adult wtf?!?!? not surprised about the 4400. and heroes which is essentially teh same is heading down the same route. FUCK YOU NBC!
life on mars by semisaj	Dec 19th, 2007 11:08:35 AM
is going to have a new season with a different character..who i think will also go back to the 70's and will have a female lead...man that site is the single reason i am not as productive at work as i should be..lol
just pillow talk by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 11:08:58 AM
first twenty minutes.. remember!
back to journeyman by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 11:12:28 AM
I Love this show!
The last season of Dead Zone was horrible by Flash Thompson	Dec 19th, 2007 11:13:44 AM
They killed Walt (one of the best characters on the show) which opened the way for Johnny to play house with Sara. So we get a whole season of cutesy crap. They wanted to pull in more females and wound up turning away the rest of the male audience that was the back bone of the show. The last season was horribly painful. So the only show left on USA that is interesting is Burn Notice. Monk is way past stale and it's follow on show Psych is geared to down syndrome and serious head trauma viewers.
Mr_X...I'll even watch the first episode in its entirety by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:19:00 AM
Yup, I'm that ambitious. And Journeyman is quite a lovable little show, especially when Moon shows her ta-ta's....
and onto her chest? by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:26:29 AM

and before you know it, it will be here by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:43:43 AM
and then gone... Some stupid network better pick this up! What the hell am I going to watch during winter? I wish football (American my fine friends from across the pond) was on every day during winter....
I expect a chorus of 'DAMN YOU, ERIC BALFOUR' before long by Pennsy	Dec 19th, 2007 11:45:23 AM
As he's her fiancee'.
After Monday, I cannot believe they are cancelling this show . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Dec 19th, 2007 11:51:09 AM
The writing is stellar, the consequences of time travel, the whole Langley twist at the end . . . this is SO MUCH BETTER than ANYTHING going on TV right now, or even at the beginning at the season.
Address for letter writing: by SkidMarkedUndies	Dec 19th, 2007 12:08:50 PM
Park, Joanne Senior Press Manager - NBC Entertainment Publicity (Project Assignment: “It’s a Wonderful Life” “The Singles Table” “Journeyman” “The Office”) Phone: (818) 840-4579 Fax: (818) 840-4943 Email: joanne.park@nbcuni.com Also... Jeff Zucker c/o NBC Re: Journeyman 30 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10112 or NBC Universal, Inc. Attn: Keep Journeyman 30 Rockefeller Plaza 5224 New York, NY 10112-0002
Eric Balfour needs a big statue head to fall on him by just pillow talk	Dec 19th, 2007 12:09:30 PM
Or a FLAMING LEG KICK.
Easy there, Mr Saxon.... by Pennsy	Dec 19th, 2007 12:11:20 PM
!
NOOOOOOOOOO!!! by skydemon	Dec 19th, 2007 12:14:29 PM
Final Episode Ever!! Is there any Hope???
Thanks SkidMarkedUndies... by kdoc13	Dec 19th, 2007 12:15:04 PM
My boxes of Rice-A-Roni are on their way.
Can't read anything here until after I have watched by Big Jim	Dec 19th, 2007 12:53:59 PM
the episode. Want to savour it as much as possible. Will see you all at 11:00.
holy shit people have anger issues. by Executor	Dec 19th, 2007 12:54:58 PM
it's a decent show, but nothing to get worked up over. kill zucker, kill other talkbackers, lmao. someone needs to up the prozac.
"holy shit people have anger issues." says the executor by Mr_X	Dec 19th, 2007 01:00:43 PM
DAMM YOU JEFF ZUCKER!
Oh inverted world by GIVL	Dec 19th, 2007 01:05:59 PM
How the hell does inane stuff like Chuck and Life get renewed and an engaging show like Journeyman gets the boot? Also, the last string of episodes were all top notch. Now there's even talk that the crapfest titled Bionic Woman is not really being cancelled. NBC, WTF?
orcus, gotta agree about usenet... by Bill Clay	Dec 19th, 2007 01:25:05 PM
Filesharing is WAY too insecure. A usenet provider with long retention is the best entertainment value for your money. Even UK shows appear on usenet within 24 hours of airing.
It's dead, Dan. by Spank	Dec 19th, 2007 01:27:33 PM
NBC seems happy to let JM go, especially with their CRAP reality shows going, as well as that full season order on Chuckie and ol' Medium starting up again. JM was just too over their heads, and apparently too intellectual for many talkbackers here- just remember folks quality shows like this are RARE- so hope you're loving The Biggest Loser and that Choir show cuz you're gonna get lots more from this network before you see much more intelligent fantasy or sci-fi. Gotta LUV it!! Finally folks, Life On Mars is a GREAT show, but FAR from "Journeyman done right"- that's like comparing Andromeda to Babylon 5- night and day folks, despite their simularities. I can't be anything but pissed off at the NBC execs for not giving JM the same opportunities it's given Friday Night Lights, or even Chuck (which probably chased off more Monday veiwers from anything intelligent later at night than helped). Morgan isn't even a third rate Sock (from Reaper) and I'm sure that Chuck's writers could never match the quality in plotting and dialog found in a single ep of JM- sad to watch when you have the 2 to compare to each other- again night and day. One positive light to the NBC execs was their deciding to chop the Heroes season off when they did- Hope their writers take the break to learn more about PROPER comic style plotting and not be SO redundant next year. Maybe they should go after a few comic writing vets (is that the same Gerry Conway writing for Law and Order that wrote for Marvel in the 70's?-- HIRE HIM!)and not folks currently writing (well, not "writing" per see- more "rehashing") current comics. Watch this net sink even farther before it remotely gets better. I'll be pateintly watching the news for some exec firings REALLY soon- not for their treratment of JM, as much as ALL of their "wonderful" programming choices. Hope their resume's are in order... With the strike on, what better time for them to stke out Friday or Saturday nights for choice reruns of shows they've already paid for, like Battlestar, JM, even Surface, Heroes (1st season) and even (gulp!)Chuck- with perhaps production commentary, or behind the scenes info on the shows (like BBC America does- stuff that can go into a collector's dvd collection), heck, they could run the revamped Treks from Paramount and probably make better numbers that what they're getting now, but NOPE- here comes the next season of The Biggest Loser!!! Well, really, the "biggest" losers are all of us folks looking for GOOD entertainment isn't it?
Kristen's single - she said so herself in that Complex Mag by Pennsy	Dec 19th, 2007 01:51:39 PM
interview. But Ali Larter is off the market; she's engaged, I heard yesterday. Cherry Hill, NJ representin'.
The series' biggest pro was its biggest "con"... by Colegegraduit	Dec 19th, 2007 02:08:12 PM
Journeyman’s strength was how we saw the lead character return to the present to see what he’d done. We see what happened to this or that character as opposed to a hologram from the future saying, “Okay, the future is a nicer place now; time to quantum leap!” Yet the downside of this was how too much time in the present reduced the ability of the “past,” to create any needed nostalgia. His time in the past was too short to enjoy the premise of time travel. He just jumps back, says hello, tells a milquetoast to marry the girl he loves, and then he leaves. This is probably why the set decorators clearly didn’t bother to do anything to alter “San Francisco” in the past, even in the most subtle way. I remember an episode of Freaks & Geeks where I was fascinated by a little detail like a video game rack in the background, filled with original boxes of Atari 2600 classics. Even when Quantum Leap lacked the budget to add such detail, Sam would narrate an anecdote or two about each time period: what he liked about it, and in a sense, why he loves to time travel. That’s the sort of FUN that this series should’ve had. It didn’t…and it’s probably cancelled now.
HaLo. by Pennsy	Dec 19th, 2007 02:13:16 PM
Hayden. Milo. You heard it here first. Even if it's the talk of TV without Pity's Heroes boards.
Life on Mars spinoff by Don Lockwood	Dec 19th, 2007 03:41:59 PM
Is called Ashes to Ashes. Gene Hunt is the main character, but there's a new female character who comes from 2008. First episode is supposed to air around February 2008.
A Journeyman TB and not one single... by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 04:08:14 PM
FAMMIT!?!? That's just wrong.
DAMN YOU JEFF ZUCKER DENIS by polyh3dron	Dec 19th, 2007 05:06:45 PM
DAMN YOU JEFF ZUCKER DENIS
Mr. X by VegasRon	Dec 19th, 2007 07:28:52 PM
Deadwood, absolutey. I love that show like the sweet love I want to make to Zucker's puckered ass with a cheese grater and some tobasco.
Wow Mr Saxon by br1947	Dec 19th, 2007 09:21:44 PM
The Rice-a-roni substitute was unexpected, but quite funny!
Fucking Jack. by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 09:32:39 PM
Gotta love it.
"Because I'm supposed to be dead' by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 09:33:47 PM

How loud do I have to yell? by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 09:39:22 PM
I WANT THIS SHOW TO STAY!!!
I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE... by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 09:39:23 PM
This may be the last time I get to watch this show, just because some GOAT-FUCKING. SEWER-SNIFFING, CORN-IN-MY-SHIT NIBBLING, SELF-LOBOTOMIZED NBC COCK-SLOBBERERS COULDN'T ORDER A FULL FUCKING SEASON.
SLOBBERERS. by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 09:40:20 PM
FAMMIT!
15 minutes left by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 09:43:57 PM
and I need more, MORE, MORE!!!
NBC execs are stupido. by MacFaux	Dec 19th, 2007 09:47:01 PM
muy muy stupido. incompetent. junkmunchers. Fammit! What a waste...greatness just wasted.
WTF? by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 09:48:07 PM
Seriously. I'm now just fucking SICK that this may be all we get. Holy shit.
So he took Evan's place... by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 09:49:28 PM
how can they give me a satisfying conclusion in ten minutes. Fammit, I'm going to boycott Whoppers now!
Last 10 minutes better have a lot more by HarrysNemesis	Dec 19th, 2007 09:50:27 PM
I was promised answers, damnit!!! One of the best episodes of the season, too!
Would also boycott Circuit City but by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 09:51:36 PM
That's already a given. And not watching Clash of the Choirs. Wow! This will be easy.
"You...are the last one..." by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 09:55:54 PM
'I wish I could talk about it.' GODFAMMIT!
Tech Support! by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 09:55:58 PM
Great elevator scene!
THANK GOD!!!! by HarrysNemesis	Dec 19th, 2007 09:56:03 PM
I guess a few questions were answered... ah well.
Katie... by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 09:59:04 PM
I may just throw my television out the window.
What a class act. by Steve_Dooku	Dec 19th, 2007 10:00:30 PM
Great show. All around.
At least this gets some semi-closure... by br1947	Dec 19th, 2007 10:01:30 PM
although I am still pissed. Mr Saxon's Rice-a-Roni substitute is sounding beter and better the more I think about it...
Can I at least get a Season 2 Comic Book?? by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 10:01:40 PM
Pretty please?
ARRRRGGGHHHH! by mansuper	Dec 19th, 2007 10:02:13 PM
Why are they canceling(pardon me, not renewing) this?? Fuckin' bastards. I can't remeber the last time I really liked something on network television so much that I tuned in for every episode!
This sucks by Dkev00	Dec 19th, 2007 10:02:40 PM
Unlike Bionic Woman, I felt JM was really starting to get it's legs in recent weeks.
Journeyman 'Bluecoats' by MacFaux	Dec 19th, 2007 10:04:01 PM
Dan's Navy p-caot..cause if it worked for Firefly..why not Journeyman? Awesomness. Booooo! NBC MotherFammers. Hoooray! Bluecoats.
NBC is a bunch of retards!! by HavokJD	Dec 19th, 2007 10:11:30 PM
Journeyman is great!...what are we gonna get in the timeslot instead? more choir bullshit?!?!? FFS NBC pull your head out of your ass and keep Journeyman goin.
So let the fan fiction begin... by br1947	Dec 19th, 2007 10:15:43 PM
What do you think, he just kept leaping, or knowing that he and Katie would never have a normal life together, did he will himself to leap back and prevent their relationship to give her a better life? When he asked his son if he knew how much he loved him, kinda gave me that impression.
Well, THE END or not.... by ZapruderEye	Dec 19th, 2007 10:17:19 PM
...that was beautiful. Thank you Mr. Falls!
I feel like I just got donkey punched by NBC by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 10:17:32 PM
and the humiliation didn't stop there.
This sucks. by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 10:18:44 PM
Just a fantastic episode, and it completely blows that this might be it. The stuff with Evan was gold, pure and simple, right from the get-go, alternating between hilarious and WTF in equal measure. Jack was awesome at the lecture, just great and totally in character. HUGE questions regarding the ability of people to somehow 'remember' the apparently overwritten past...I'm just sick. I think it would've been easier to take if they'd just phoned in the last few eps, but they didn't, and kudos to them for that.
And yeah...HUGE THANKS TO KEVIN AND CAST AND CREW. by CatVutt	Dec 19th, 2007 10:21:47 PM
Sincerely. Great, great work.
GRAVITAS and a Fuck You NBC by Snaieke	Dec 19th, 2007 10:33:03 PM
Well done Kevin Falls. Well Done indeed. NBC you are on notice, you get zero cancellations left for shows I like for a period of 1 year if you violate this I will be force to abandon watching your programs in favor of more successful networks.
I sent an email to NBC by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 10:42:39 PM
expressing my disappointment. I urge you to do the same!
Thanks to Falls, Cast, Crew for an amazing show! by The Devlinizer	Dec 19th, 2007 10:43:41 PM
and fuck NBC in the ass for being such cock smoking cum chugging aids monkeys for cancelling it. From this moment forward I am NEVER EVER EVER EVER watching nbc ever again.
FAMN YOU JEFF ZUCKER DENIS by polyh3dron	Dec 19th, 2007 10:52:50 PM
FAMN YOU TO HELL
RARE Closure Here by Spank	Dec 19th, 2007 10:57:52 PM
Thought it was cool that everyone got to say their goodbyes, Dan "knew" what was going on, his wife accepting and agreeing to be his anchor, Livia saying goodbye, and in the end the "proof" to Kate that it wasn't all in Dan's head. Just great. So, unless the NBC execs want to start this over, on a better night, with a little more respect, then I say let it be. NBC still has all the eps on their site (for now) and Amazon has an open e-mailing list so folks can be notified when the dvd set is coming out, and quite frankly considering the network dolts in charge that is as much as we can hope for. Probably lucky that all the eps got aired in the first place. Everyone involved with the show should be VERY proud of their work, even if it did go unnoticed and misunderstood. This was a CLASSIC and VERY SMART show, even if it was only 13 episodes. Bravo!
ahem..(cracks necks/knuckles) ahem... FUCCCCCCCCCK!!! by soup74	Dec 19th, 2007 11:00:18 PM
FUCK THIS IS/WAS A GOOD SHOW. i agree with the way devlinizer handled it. thanks to everyone involved with journeyman, it was a wonderfully entertaining 12 hours. i would love it to continue, but if i cant at least i enjoyed it while it lasted.
oops.. by soup74	Dec 19th, 2007 11:02:01 PM
was it 13 eps? i thought it was 12. okay well either way 12 or 13 entertaining hours.
So sad. So very, very sad. by gotilk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:13:53 PM
It was a great way for a show to end , considering no-one could know for sure that it would be ending. (honestly, the last few minutes felt like it was a planned alternative rather than the way the episode was originally meant to end, all the way down to the rest of the episode feeling rushed in order to deftly tack on the extra footage) But this show, and ending touched me in a very personal way that I am almost afraid to admit here, but feel compelled to. .....
Sounds awesome... by VegasRon	Dec 19th, 2007 11:15:09 PM
...I deliberately didn't watch the mid-atlantic early feed so I can enjoy it ucluttered by work and with Xiphos and the other PSTers. 45 minutes to go!
So sad. So very , very sad. (cont.) by gotilk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:17:44 PM
A few years ago, I tried a little experiment of my own related to these things. Now, don't assume I think I am or know time travelers or something completely insane like that. I do not. I even started a group to follow the results in livejournal called "Dear Tomorrow". There was a satellite being sent up with a "time capsule". Anyone could send a message to the future. http://tinyurl.com/2d7auf (cont.)
Great episode. At least it had some closure by Big Jim	Dec 19th, 2007 11:20:53 PM
But I will miss it. One of the very few shows I took the time to watch live. And I know I said I would watch CSI Miami from now on as a Fuck You to NBC but I've thought about it and I really hate CSI Miami and my viewing habits aren't monitered anyway so it would be a futile gesture and the only person it would adversely affect is me by having to watch that dreck. So at 10pm Monday I will probably watch that night's previously recorded episode of Chuck or Heroes, sans commercials. I loved the line "I'm getting married in two hours and fifty years ago".
So sad. So very, very sad. (cont. pt 3) by gotilk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:24:38 PM
So I sent this very specific message to what should be 50,000 years in the future. It was pretty simple. If there are time travelers, I asked for a visit. In a specific place, specific date, specific hour. The weeks waiting for the meeting time were exhilarating. When the time itself came, my heart was beating out of my chest. Deep inside, I knew nothing would come of it. But that little possibility, that little glimmer of hope made it one of the most exiting moments of my life. So the time came. I noticed nothing unusual except a young couple browsing a few feet away and glancing back at me occasionally and saying something to each other. And here's the weird part... It was the shoes. That's why that aspect (mentioned again tonight) caught my attention. These 2 people has the weirdest shoes. Style and material. I even mentioned it in the livejournal group. (scriptwriters google much??) I even joked that it was "always the shoes, huh?". So that really threw me a curve. (cont.)
I'm not giving up yet... by Tom Reagan	Dec 19th, 2007 11:25:58 PM
I not prepared to turn this talkback into a wake. Call me hopelssly optimistic. I did send an email to NBC begging them not to cancel this show (I followed the only email info I had--provided in an above post. If anyone has any other relevant email addresses pass them along). I'm also going to go to Amazon and get on this DVD pre-order list. I encourage others to do the same.
So sad. So very, very sad. (cont. pt 4) by gotilk	Dec 19th, 2007 11:30:07 PM
In the end, it was just probably a weird couple that wore similar clothing and shoes, and they never spoke to me. I felt far too weird to actually approach them or anyone else there that day. But it is something I will attempt again through messages sent by other means. For fun. Honestly. I am pretty nuts, but I'm not insane. However, if I ever show up here saying that I've made contact with time travelers, I AM officially insane. Because if I did, in fact, ever meet anyone and have a conversation, I would be afraid to tell anyone. I'd hate to end up in the same place as Evan. But lastly, I will miss watching this show for many reasons, and some of them are personal. The fact is, it was entertaining as hell and it will be missed. Bring it back, Fammit!!!
Tom by localhero12	Dec 19th, 2007 11:30:40 PM
I wish I had your optimism. I feel like the more I wish for the shows return the more likely I'll be let down.
To the professionals. by Tom Reagan	Dec 19th, 2007 11:31:14 PM
Whether this was the last episode or just the capper to an excellent first half/first season, I too want to send out my thanks and appreciation to the folks who made this show what it is. Thanks Kevin Falls and the writing staff. Thanks to McKidd and all the other talented actors. Thanks to the directors, the production dept, the grips, et al. You guys make the others look like amateurs.
Fuck You NBC. Stay In Last Place Forever... by DrTobiasFunke	Dec 19th, 2007 11:41:22 PM
I'm done with this piece of shit network. Canceling great shows like Journeyman rather than attempting to reschedule them (since it's on against both CSI AND Monday Night Football) shows exactly why you're coming in dead last, hopefully forever. Studio 60 and the Black Donnelly's didn't stand a chance. Nothing you put on in that timeslot stands a chance. Give up on the slot and stop dumping shows with potential. Losers.
Dueschenozzles at NBC!!!! by Ka Dargo	Dec 19th, 2007 11:57:56 PM
Great ending having her see the jump and the cool ripple effect. And finding out that he became a traveler right when that other one died was pretty sweet. Lets all go watch those retards singing in choirs now......DUMB ASS NETWORK CHEAP BASTARDS!!!!I guess it's shit over quality if it makes those assholes money!!! And how do those stupid ass shows make money anyway? Who's watching that choir shit???
Adding to the choir shit!!! by Ka Dargo	Dec 20th, 2007 12:01:31 AM
I had to check it out just to see....holy hell that is ridiculous horrible shit!!!! Bunch of dueschebags singing stupid old songs and dancing around like morons!!!! Wasting beautiful Maria Menoonnoouuss!!!
sad goodbyes by ulcer	Dec 20th, 2007 12:11:38 AM
Livia to Dan.. we won't see each other for a while..
"She's one of us... by VegasRon	Dec 20th, 2007 12:22:34 AM
...you can tell by the shoes."
That was awesome by Strabo	Dec 20th, 2007 01:00:25 AM
This is such a great show, NBC. Please, pick it up for the second season. I promise to buy the DVDs. How could you possibly let a show as good as this slip out of your grasp? Give it another season. Give it a chance to find an audience. Keep Kevin McKidd around. The guy has talent. Don't let this show die. Now for some story commentary... I really really liked tonight's episode. I've been too lazy to make this comment before, but I've been thinking about the way the series arc should play out. My thinking was that Dan should keep going back, changing things, and coming home, only to find that everything changes ever so subtly every time he goes back. That everything changes, over time, to such an extent that he ends up being a stranger in his own life. The man who saves the world...for everyone but himself. See, the tragedy of Dan Vasser is that, unlike Doctor Sam Beckett, he actually gets to go home...but it doesn't matter, because home isn't exactly like he left it. That this is a home for a Dan that doesn't exist. Having his son replaced by a daughter, Caroline, was a wonderful glimpse into the kind of alternate time line mind-fuckery we could look forward to on the series. Tonight's episode featured the logical conclusion of that arc. It was about a man who changed things so much that he no longer recognized the world around him. I really wish we could see more of this series.
Well, by VegasRon	Dec 20th, 2007 01:00:55 AM
at least it felt like a finale. This is total bullshit. Fuck NBC.
NBC... by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 01:00:58 AM
...you do WANT people to watch your network... ...right?
Damn, it was just getting good. by slder78	Dec 20th, 2007 01:04:12 AM
Kudos to cast and crew of Journeyman you did a great job. My only critique is that for a show like this, it took too long to establish the story for the short attention span people.. If the last 3 or four episodes were shown earlier you might have gotten a larger audience. As it is, if it had to end tonight, you ended it on a perfect note. "Katie."
I want to help Livia... by El Mario	Dec 20th, 2007 01:08:05 AM
Reporter Dan Vasser never stopped leaping.
Incredibly disappointed. by jgsugden	Dec 20th, 2007 01:08:20 AM
Time travel is the hardest genre of Sci-fi to pull off. Journeyman did it better than any show that tried. I am incredibly disappointed to see it go... I honestly think this could have been a revolutionary show for Sci-fi if NBC had believed in it. I'll always wonder if it was the strike that did it in.
I agree with everyone here. by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 01:13:27 AM
What a great show. If it is coming to an end, that was as good as we could hope for under the present circumstances. I STILL THINK THE SUITS AT NBSEE'YA SHOULD BE GANG RAPED BY THE CLOVERFIELD CREATURES!!! SWELL UP AN' POP GUYS!!!
Well said, Slder... by VegasRon	Dec 20th, 2007 01:14:42 AM
...that "Katie" was especially toucing, in light of the other traveler's fate. My favorite show of the year(I refuse to say series, denial is a bitch).
touching by VegasRon	Dec 20th, 2007 01:15:53 AM
fuck it, i'm getting drunk tonight, fammit.
Re:I really hope Sci-Fi channel picks this up by WONKABAR	Dec 20th, 2007 01:16:24 AM
For real, any way the show can come back would be great. Maybe the strike could help, if NBC decided to rerun the show it could maybe build up a bigger following. I don't know, I have a feeling that somehow this show is going to return one way or another...in some form or another.
You'll have to understand... by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 01:17:19 AM
...I'm a bit pissed right about now.
Xiphos by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 01:19:07 AM
No sense at all...
best hour of Journeyman ever by the_fin	Dec 20th, 2007 01:26:27 AM
Its so sad that America (as per the ratings system that NBC cares about) can watch clash of the choirs in droves (5.0 share from zap2it) and journeyman right after gets a 3.1. Thats just inexcusable. WTF neilson families!?! Despite how good i and many other internet users think this show is. America apparently is shrugging its collective shoulders at it.
Wonderful episode. I can't bear to call it "The End." by cuthbert84	Dec 20th, 2007 01:30:31 AM
I loved this episode and I love this show. I had already written a letter to NBC (via their website) asking to save the show. I am now going to write a letter thanking them for at least the half season, but shunning them on ending such a wonderful series. Everyone involved should be commended, from the show's creator to the writers and the incredible cast. I'm hesitant to single out one person in the cast, because everyone is so good, but Gretchen Egolf has a way of completely communicating everything in a scene in an instant with only the look in her eyes. I'm looking forward to owning the season on DVD and having a big marathon one weekend. To everyone involved: This show should be a badge of honor to you for the rest of your career. Wear it proudly. It is well deserved. And one more little bit...I'm a sound designer for TV (not "Journeyman", unfortunately) and I wanted to give my kudos to the people who did the sound work on that Winnebago scene at the top of Monday's episode. Top notch.
Let's try out the new 'catch phrase'. Shall we? by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 01:31:09 AM
FAMMMMMMMMMITTTTT!! FAMMIT!! FAMMIT!! FAMMIT!! FAMMI T!! FAMMIT!! FAMMIT!! Ah hhh. That's better. No it's not! FAMMIT!! FAMMIT!! F AMMIT!! OHHHH! HAMBURGERS!!
Perfidia . . . by One-Eyed Willy	Dec 20th, 2007 01:47:05 AM
Sad to see this one go . . . Here, from Wiki: "Perfidia (Spanish for "perfidy") is a popular Mexican song about love and betrayal written by Alberto Domínguez (1913–1975). Aside from the original Spanish, other renditions exist including English and instrumental versions. The English lyric is by Milton Leeds. The song was published in 1939 and became a hit for Xavier Cugat in 1940." 'Love and Betrayal' . . .how fitting
P.S. . . . . . Perfidy by One-Eyed Willy	Dec 20th, 2007 01:48:31 AM
per·fi·dy /ˈpɜrfɪdi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pur-fi-dee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun, plural -dies. 1. deliberate breach of faith or trust; faithlessness; treachery: perfidy that goes unpunished. 2. an act or instance of faithlessness or treachery.
NBC guilty of Perfidy then.. by gotilk	Dec 20th, 2007 01:50:42 AM
Hang 'em.
My wife thinks it's her fault... by Ravenwood In L.A.	Dec 20th, 2007 01:50:44 AM
Anytime she likes a show, it's doomed to cancellation. She came in late on this one, but quickly realized how great it is/was and now, it may be gone... Real shame. It was a show that just kept getting better. (In the event it WAS my wife's fault, she asked that I pass on her sincerest apologies to everyone.)
OK. I was pretty pissed at NBC too, but then... by Executor	Dec 20th, 2007 01:58:53 AM
...I looked over at Kurt Russell, and he was laughing pretty hard, so I guess it is okay.
Now McKidd can get a better show. by AnnoyYou	Dec 20th, 2007 02:03:02 AM
That is, when the writers' strike is over, which at this rate will be 2010. Anyway, the supporting cast on Journeyman was awful - there was no sense of ensemble, no personality to any of them -- and I think this is what really deep-sixed the show. Also, I've just realized that I don't LIKE McKidd playing an American -- his rhythm seems off. At any rate, I hope someone gives him a show worthy of his talents - Journeyman wasn't it, and this speedy cancelation is proof positive of this.
Perfidia. Hmmmmm. by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 02:04:34 AM
It works on so many levels. It's almost like the JM producers were trying to say something. Something like... FUCK YOU!! N! B!! C!!! THANKS FOR STANDING BEHIND US!!! NOW PLEASE TAKE THAT KNIFE OUT OF OUR BACK!! PLEASE!!!
I'm still angry. by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 02:07:03 AM
still.
I'm happy with how it ended by DynamixRo	Dec 20th, 2007 05:09:29 AM
If it comes back, great, if not, at least we got an awesome last episode. Everything that had Evan in it was excelent, the dance scene in particular. Then there's the talk with Landley(I really liked his answers) and the great final scenes with Katie & Dan. Congrats to everyone involved in the show(and even NBC for airing the last episodes) for delivering such a top-notch conclusion.
"Katie..." by Bill Brasky	Dec 20th, 2007 06:29:49 AM
Man, I just don't know where to start with this. I really wanted to love this show from the start. It took a little while, but I really warmed up to it, around the time that Elliot Langley (sp?) started to show up. I really loved his wife and I have started to enjoy the Brothers Vasser; now that Jack believes what is going on. I finally got my wife into it about 6 or 7 episodes ago and now she can't believe that it is over! That is really too bad, coming from a woman who hates Lost, Heroes, Chuck, Jericho, and just about every other show that I love. ---And the way that the show ended, with him sitting there, watching her sleep and waking her up as he 'travels.' What a classy way to end a show. I am saddened but very satisfied with how they ended it.
A GREAT DAMN EPISODE by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 06:38:38 AM
I've kind of breezed through most of everyone's comments, and everyone has hit it on the head. The introduction of Evan was just great, and the questions Dan asked: did his death lead to Dan's travels? Elevator scene with Langley...great. Jack was great yet again...in the hall...and the private moment with Katie...the one that got away. Strabo, great commentary bud. You are completely right, they could really fuck with Dan's mind in future episodes. As Evan said, it only takes a "nudge". Oh, and fuck off AnnoyYou. Sorry, but you can't say anything bad about this show. Join the Darkside L.H.Puttgrass...give in to your anger. And Strike down Zucker!
Bill Brasky by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 06:40:47 AM
You know what's funny? My wife is the same way...this show just 'engages' people to watch it. While I sent a 'politically correct' email to them, for here I say to NBC: MAY YOU DIE A HORRIBLE AND PAINFUL DEATH BY A GIANT STATUE HEAD TOPPLING ON YOU.
I still havent watch it by Mr_X	Dec 20th, 2007 06:46:07 AM
bloody utorrent. i'm going to savour this like a fine wine tonight. FUCK YOU NBC! FUCK YOU JEFF MOTHER ZUCKER
you are in for a treat Mr_X by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 06:47:33 AM
Clear your mind of any ill thoughts towards ZuckerFucker until after completely watching the episode. Then resume the undying hate that he warrants...
Sigh.... by Steve_Dooku	Dec 20th, 2007 07:15:35 AM
I kept eyeballing the clock, savoring every minute and pushing down the sadness that this was likely "it" for the show. Never EVER felt like that for any show. I am still grateful we got to see all the episodes, so I begrudgingly thank you NBC. (Jerks) Kevin Falls and crew: Great fucking job guys. Wow. Just wow. You negative jag-offs are clueless, and the reason shows like "Choir" exist and for that you have my deepest sympathies as your lives must be completely and utterly pathetic.
in no way related to Journeyman...but I thought it was funny by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 07:23:35 AM
This is about twenty minutes from where I live...I will be on the lookout for shady clowns from now on... FAIRFIELD — Police had no trouble spotting the suspect wanted for recent vandalism on Reef Road — there wasn't anyone else running through the seaside neighborhood dressed like a clown. Gary Heussler, 20, a student at Fairfield University, was charged with interfering with an officer and breach of peace. He was released after posting $500 bond and is scheduled to be arraigned Dec. 27 at Bridgeport Superior Court. According to police, the shenanigans started when Jonathan Desautels, a Reef Road resident, heard pounding outside his house about 12:30 a.m. Sunday. When he looked out, he saw a man in a clown suit pounding on his Nissan sedan in the driveway. Desautels shouted at the man and the clown replied with un-clown-like epithets and ran off. Police broadcast a description of the suspect — big pink-and-black flowered dress, big-booted feet. Police Lt. Michael Walsh said Heussler, a Hamden resident, ran from the vandalized car to Bravo Restaurant on the Post Road. "That's a considerable run, from Reef Road to Bravo's, especially in a clown suit," Walsh said. Officer Mark Fracassini spotted Heussler on the Post Road and ordered him to stop, police said, but instead Heussler allegedly swore at the officer and continued running. Officers eventually had to tackle Heussler to take him into custody, police said. They said he smelled of an alcoholic beverage. Police had no explanation why he was dressed as a clown.
DId any of you guys watch "The Lost Room"? by Mr_X	Dec 20th, 2007 07:28:25 AM
i thought that was brilliant. no idea why sci fi didnt pick that up and went with painkiller jane. agin more clueless execs.
Is it time to replace "pulled a Fox"... by Kid Z	Dec 20th, 2007 07:47:59 AM
... (meaning abruptly cancel a show without giving it a chance) to "pull an NBC"? Of course Fox has cancelled shows after only one episode, at least NBC gave Journeyman half a season. Lastly, if they want to cancel shows, cancel Heroes... ain't no way that catastrof**k's gonna get revived... network interference, the loss of Bryan Fuller and Kring beings a dickhead has driven the stake into that mess.
Is it time to replace "pulled a Fox"... by Kid Z	Dec 20th, 2007 07:48:11 AM
... (meaning abruptly cancel a show without giving it a chance) to "pull an NBC"? Of course Fox has cancelled shows after only one episode, at least NBC gave Journeyman half a season. Lastly, if they want to cancel shows, cancel Heroes... ain't no way that catastrof**k's gonna get revived... network interference, the loss of Bryan Fuller and Kring being a dickhead has driven the stake into that mess.
Just got done watching this excellent episode by indyjonez100	Dec 20th, 2007 07:58:24 AM
Why does this show have to go now! It's really, really hitting its stride. At least we got some answers to some of the questions just in case the show does not come back.
Saying it's like Quantum Leap by Steve_Dooku	Dec 20th, 2007 08:01:29 AM
It had way more in common with "7 Days" than it ever had with Quantum Leap.
A question by pelty	Dec 20th, 2007 08:17:49 AM
You all have summed it up perfectly: one of the better shows I have ever seen. I really enjoyed it and have done my letter writing to NBC. But I have something I do not understand: why does Livia think that she and Dan will not be seeing one another for awhile? Is it because Dan now "understands" his mission now and her guidance is no longer needed? Sorry to be obtuse, but I would appreciate your insight...
Wow... by Philvis	Dec 20th, 2007 08:33:59 AM
Awesome episode last night. I REALLY hate to see this show go to cancellation land. A bad judgement call by NBC execs.
Perfect ending for an abrubtly cancelled show! by CeejayNightwing	Dec 20th, 2007 08:35:18 AM
For once a good show getting canceled managed to deliver some closure before being prematurely dumbed into oblivion. This was the best new show of the year by a long shot, given a better schedule time-slot it would have doubled its viewers at the very least. I can actuallu buy the DVD when it gets released and watch it over and over as a mini-series instead of a season as intended simply because of the intelligent way Kevin Falls produced the final episode. NBC have shown their awareness of their own product to be utterly non-existent and their decision making to be a billion levels of stupid! My highest praise to the excellent cast and crew for this show, I hope they all go on to better and more prosperous futures that don't involve that dumbass network NBC aka N-othing B-ut C-rap! Moon Bloodgood please return to my screens asap, you sexy beast! XXX Kevin McKidd - First Lucius Verneus and now Dan Vasser, YOU DA MAN and don't let anyone tell you different! Kevin Falls - Talk to the Sci Fi Channel PLEASE!! and loose NBC's telephone number the next time you visit the toilet!
Thank you for the closure, but I wish it could stay. by hansello	Dec 20th, 2007 08:41:18 AM
Loved this show. So sorry to see it end. I really hope that there is some kind of future for Journeyman. Thank you NBC for 13 great episodes of television. Here's hoping that some one else can provide a lifeline, or that NBC has a change of heart.
Great way to go out by MiserableRainGod	Dec 20th, 2007 08:58:30 AM
Just want to say I agree with everyone here that it was a great last episode, but too bad it had to be a last episode.
Great show by Blood T Cat	Dec 20th, 2007 09:29:48 AM
Really was perfect for it's timeslot. It was great to have a show that wasn't about the hipness of being twenty something. No wacky sidekicks or forced weirdness. It was unfolding in an interesting way, very character driven.
classy way to go by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 09:40:52 AM
Thank you Kevin Falls and the cast of Journeyman. Rarely have I felt a pit in my stomach when a show goes black. So, so, so good and I hope the show becomes a cult classic when the DVD comes out. Real relationships, real characters, and the end was just perfect. Also, thinking about Dan's final talk with Livia where he says "I feel like we're not going to be seeing each other for a while" was just PERFECT. As was the last 30 seconds. PERFECTION. Even the idea of the Journeymen dying out - GENIUS. I don't even want to speculate anymore more where this show could've gone, but I'll be imagining Dan journeying for the remainder of his life, with his wife waiting for him, his brother supporting him, and people's lives being changed for the better. Bravo. Also, not giving up hope. Someone tell something I can do to help and I'm there.
FUCK you nbc by RaveX	Dec 20th, 2007 10:28:21 AM
this was a rare case where I didn't really care for the show in the first couple of episodes, but over time, ALL the characters grew on me. dan, livia, kate, jack... all of them. I'm not a hater, and I like to watch heroes, but was the 3rd season to start with frakkin A-bomb dropping on all the characters other then elle and hiro, I wouldn't mind. over here at JM, dan is cool as fuck, livia is so damn sweet, jack has turned from annoying to badass, and katie is probably the most understanding and supporting wife EVER! so once again, FUCK YOU NBC!
Small Comfort by KingKirby	Dec 20th, 2007 10:31:38 AM
To say "at least we had closure" is very small comfort. I had invested my time every Monday night as well as my interest in this program...one of millions of people who watched...not enough millions of course. The writing was very good, the performances even better. Some wonderful OMG moments, too, including when Dan's son came in and saw him disappear. But still, at least Kevin Falls saw that with the writing on the wall about ratings (and the then looming Writers Guild strike) it would be a good opportunity to bring things to a perfectly constructed, if unwanted, conclusion. I still curse ABC for letting "Invasion" die without at least giving us a two hour conclusion movie to their cliffhanger season finale. At least networks use to give shows different chances...'Well, it didn't work here, let's try it over here', but now it's "It didn't work here, get rid of it!" The networks all need to go back and give more shows a chance, like NBC did with "Cheers!" and "Seinfeld" and "Friends". True enough that those were half-hour sitcoms that anyone could jump in on if they'd never seen it before, but look at "Quantum Leap": "Trapped in the past, Dr. Beckett finds himself leaping from life to life, putting things right that once went wrong and hoping each time that his next leap would be the leap home"...they told you the set-up each week, so anyone could join the adventure (I actually like that "Pushing Daisies" does it now in it's opening narration each week). Well, anyway...thank you Kevin Falls, the writers, the cast (especially Kevin McKidd), and yes to NBC too, for giving us at least 13 quality episodes of "Journeyman". So says the King.
"I'll leave the light on" by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 10:41:59 AM
That probably was the single best "last" episode I've seen.
Just wish this show would continue by indyjonez100	Dec 20th, 2007 10:45:01 AM
I could see this show on USA Network especially now they axed the 4400 and the Dead Zone. Come on, give me an early Christmas present and pick up this show!
NBC officially worse than FOX by Spastic Jedi	Dec 20th, 2007 10:50:28 AM
Screw NBC. Last nights Journeyman was sooooooo good. They wrapped it nicely if it is all over and yet left it open ended. Best show of the season, better than Bionic Woman, Pushing Daisies, Cane, Life, Heroes, etc.. Nbc is officially worse than FOX.
Heroes: Volume 3: Villains Sneak Peek Trailer! by zooch	Dec 20th, 2007 11:20:39 AM
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Pissed beyond belief!! by Paradox99999	Dec 20th, 2007 11:22:30 AM
NOT only did they cancel Journeyman, which I LOVE....but...if you were watching the last episode (Weds. Night) in the Boston/New Hampshire area, that damn choir show ran over by 12 minutes!!....so what do I hear when Journeyman starts????..."We now join Journeyman already in progress"....Thanks NBC and may you all die (well maybe not die...how about, "get gang raped and beaten")
Brilliant show - great ending by Ninja Nerd	Dec 20th, 2007 11:24:20 AM
Wow. The last 10 minutes of this episode hit me harder than the MAS*H and Twin Peaks enders. I wish I had a wife like Katie. I did send multiple e-mails to NBC, but I don't think we have a chance with this one like we did with Jericho. And of the two, 'Journeyman' deserves to live more. But NBC is even more retarded than CBS, so this is toast. DAMN IT ! ! ! The only saving grace is that they did manage to leave the show in a good place. If there's a "Festivus Miracle" and the show comes back, the continuity will be in good shape.
Anchorite... by Tom Reagan	Dec 20th, 2007 11:53:17 AM
I wish you had given me proper warning...some things can't be unseen.
Paradox. by CatVutt	Dec 20th, 2007 11:58:48 AM
I'm in NH...Channel 7? I was watching the HD feed and got the whole thing.
CatVutt by Paradox99999	Dec 20th, 2007 12:10:58 PM
Wow, thats too weird then. I was watching it on the HD feed too (channel 807). Funny thing is it seemed to only happen to me!!...I talked to a friend in Merrimack and he got the whole thing. Did yours start at 10pm...or did Choir run late? For me it was 10:12pm...I will never forget that time because i was screaming, "Its fuckin' 12 past ten and the fuckin' choir is still on!!...You have to be fuckin' kidding me!!..I can't beleive they are still fucking on!!!"......and I would swear they were literally stretching choir out...they were sloooooooowly interviewing the last choir...joking around....smirking at me...etc...etc (I would even swear that one of them flipped me off)
"Can I watch?" by I Hope You Die	Dec 20th, 2007 12:24:14 PM
What I love about this show is it has BALLS. Every consequence of the premise is explored. The people behave in a realistic way. They ask all the questions you would ask. It's one of the most tightly scripted and satisfying television shows I've ever seen. Compare this to the usual trash where the plot evolves on the premise that nobody says what's on their mind and consequences are ignored. It's like night and day.
Caroline is Daughters Name. by Dragulf	Dec 20th, 2007 12:36:40 PM

Hopefully folks will KEEP posting.... by soindianachris	Dec 20th, 2007 12:46:52 PM
...to both this talkback and sending feedback to No Brains Corporation for not renewing JOURNEYMAN.
ATTENTION JOURNEYMAN WRITERS! by I Hope You Die	Dec 20th, 2007 12:51:17 PM
Thanks for a great show. This comment is redeemable for one hand job.
What a great show! by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 12:55:20 PM
I'm still fucking pissed. N. B. C! (Spits on ground.) Fuckers!
Suggestion for Journeyman fans by Spank	Dec 20th, 2007 12:56:35 PM
I would suggest that all those who enjoyed the show to pile over to NBC and keep watching it, whenever you can, from beginning to end, for as long as NBC keeps it on their site. Let them see there was a fanbase-PLUS rewatch the shows for all those great little touches. THEN, after watching an ep- THANK NBC for keeping it online and tell them how damned awful of a choice it was on their part to end the show. FINALLY, just on the Amazon e-mail list to be notified when the set is available so, perhaps, the production company and crew can get a little "thanks" from us by their residuals on the show. This was a RARE and GREAT show, so make sure your friends all know what they missed, or dissmissed. I can't wait for the dvd set myself, and I hope there are a few commentary tracks and interviews added as well. This show was too good to just stop at 13, but really, do you REALLY want sci-fi to pick this up? They'll have McKidd fighting aliens or dinosaurs in no time, I promise you. Sci-Fi never took Torchwood (BBCAmerica's highest rated show EVER) probably becuase it was too adult and over their heads, I have a feeling that if they took on JM they would treat it worse than NBC did (if such a thing was possible).
the finale is still settling in by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 01:22:13 PM
And I keep thinking about. Everyone's final look, final words, everything. Thank little baby jesus I DVR'd it, becuase I have a feeling I'm going to be watching those last ten minutes over and over again, and keep chocking up, over and over again. The more I think about, the more I find it one of the more fufilling finales I've seen since ST: TNG (which is probably at the top, up there with TP).
Do you think we can get Tony Jaa over by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 01:25:48 PM
and do a FLAMING LEG KICK to Zucker's left nut? We'll save the right nut for one of his flying elbows.
JOURNEYMAN iS DEAD .... Get Over It by DS9Sisko	Dec 20th, 2007 01:35:08 PM
[b]Journeyman[/b] is over. I love the show, I really genuinely do. Kevin McKidd and Gretchen Egolf are fantastic and the storytelling has been terrific. However, the ratings are --in a nutshell -- disastrous. Monday's episode registered a 4.4 Neilsen rating. It's 18-49's were worse. Wednesday's episode registered a 4.6 household with a measly 1.7 18-49 demo. (Per Hollywood Reporter). That's just fatal. I applaud the efforts of those who want to save [i]Journeyman[/i] and I would support any effort to get the show moved to SciFi, for example. But even I would cancel its NBC run with numbers that low. These days, due to the internet and instant reactions, every time a great show is cancelled prematurley fans tend to rebel and act as if it is the end of their world. But the truth is that the television landscape has been a brutal, unforgiving place for-practically-ever. Fantastic shows like [b]Eastside/Westside[/b] (60's), [b]Executive Suite[/b] (70's), [b]Palmerstown USA[/b] (80's),[b] EZ Streets[/b] (90's), and [b]Profit[/b] (2000's) are a teeny sample of shows that should have lasted longer but didn't. The way that some fans carry on you'd think networks didn't start "punishing" them until the axing of [i]Wonderfalls[/i] and [i]Firefly[/i], although the facts, history and common sense tells us otherwise. The bargain that you and I as viewers have made since commercial television began was that the networks would put on shows and depending on how many people watched on what night in what time time slot depending on the strength of the competition, the show would survive or the show would be cancelled and something else would take its place. There is no expressed "right" to have any show on the air, as some fans now like to think. [i]Journeyman[/i] is a show, despite its passionate following, did not gain enough traction and in fact failed even to hold steady to enough households or 18-49's or any other measure that would keep it on the air. I can understand the desire to save one's favorite shows, but a lot of the response we see here and elsewhere to a doomed show like [i]Journeyman[/i] amounts to little more than mass hissy fits among the faithful. 4-5 million viewers trending downward is guaranteed cancellation on broadcast prime tv and I think a whole lot of fans should be grateful that the show lasted through its 13 episode pre-order because otherwise it would have surely been ditched long ago. Thanks to Kevin Falls for a fantastic series, to the stars for putting on a hell of a show, and the writers for such interesting stories. I, for one, will be purchasing the complete series when released on DVD.
you mean NBC won't listen to mass hissy fits? by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 01:50:04 PM
I do understand what you are saying DS9Sisko, but 'great' shows don't come along that often as you know, so it's just very frustrating to have one end prematurely.
dang it by coachaaron	Dec 20th, 2007 01:50:26 PM
great last episode. if this is the end, i really loved how they tied it up, epecially with dan and katie. the sci-fi channel should snatch this puppy up as fast as humanly possible and plant it right beside BSG in april. i wouldn't miss a second of it. bravo journeyman. yet another great show killed for 5 dumb reality shows by moron execs.
1. Sci Fi can't afford this show by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 01:57:11 PM
not by a long shot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YkzY343nKm0 Nice Journeyman clip. Someone want to post the last 5-10 minutes on You Tube (of the finale)? Pretty please. Any yes, technically Journeyman SHOULD be cancelled, but look at FOX with AD - they at least gave it 3 seasons (granted more of a critical hit), but Journeyman COULD have garnered that praise. It was just starting to get noticed by critics in the last two episode. DS9, there's nothing wrong with bitching, or hoping for something good to happen even if there less than a 1 % chance of it hapenning. It's called hope, passion, and someone people just like standing up for things they like/ are going to miss. Stop raining on our parade - if we want to be sadists we can be sadists. hell I know people still campaigning for Odyssey 5 to come back.
btw ditto, suit by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 01:59:28 PM
STFU.
Also, Herc, your thoughts? by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 02:01:17 PM
You like it? Pretty emotion-free post. I realize Whedon didn't write it, and Dushku's not a guest, but still...
Paradox. by CatVutt	Dec 20th, 2007 02:05:47 PM
That really is weird. Yeah, I flipped over to 807 at 10 and it was just starting. Bizarre.
too bad she wasn't an 'intelligent' bimbo by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2007 02:06:06 PM
though, would her cans have suffered for that intelligence?
Sci Fi CAN afford this show by smackfu	Dec 20th, 2007 02:07:59 PM
because it's special effects budget is nil. That liquid ripple effect when Dan travels is neat but I don't think it's costing them a mil per episode or anything. The show is completely character driven and rarely has any special effects, and since Dan only seems to travel in his own lifespan there are no expensive sets and costumes. This show is a deal for Sci Fi because it's a sci fi show with a cult without the expense of a sci fi show.
Thanks Journeyman "Fan" by Tom Reagan	Dec 20th, 2007 02:08:08 PM
Apparently the only way to react to the end of a great series is to quote Nielsen's and say "I'd cancel it too". All other forms of appreciation are marked as hissy fits? You respect the show but not the folks who also love it? I really appreciate you coming along and giving us the talk, Dad, but I'm going to continue to bitch about the knuckleheads at NBC. I understand not being able to keep a low-performing show on the air. I'm not an idiot. But I also recognize that NBC has done nothing to really support this show. So, let the hissy fits rage on.
Tom Reagan Johnson's right! by Steve_Dooku	Dec 20th, 2007 02:15:56 PM
...well he is.
My 2 Cents. by Det David Mills	Dec 20th, 2007 02:19:39 PM
It is so great to see all of my thoughts and feelings are shared in this TB. I have never felt so saddened by the cancellation of a show. I too have a pit in my stomache and am very, very close to boycotting NBC. If they cancel FNL I will never forgive them. I say we boycott NBC during sweeps week! That'll give 'em the kick in the pocketbook they need. Damn fine show! Damn Fine!
Steve_Dooku Johnson is right about Tom Reagan Johnson's being ri by zacdilone	Dec 20th, 2007 02:21:10 PM
We will now read from Matthew, Mark, Luke...and DUCK!
End of the "green filter" Show by Mazzer	Dec 20th, 2007 02:50:56 PM
Is it me, or did last night's scenes from the past look even greener than usual? I think they went WAY overboard on color styling those scenes -- pretty yucky. Anyway, a reasonably neat closure, given the circumstances.
XIPHOS & NODE32774 by DS9Sisko	Dec 20th, 2007 02:54:56 PM
Now that you have purged yourselves of your prepubescent, little dicked, single pubic haired sissy fits aimed at me, I would surely like for you to explain in a logical and fact-filled way how anything I said about why Journeyman got cancelled is flawed or wrong. I await your reasoned and reasonable responses.....but I suspect WMD's in Iraq will be found sooner.
just capped the last with the first. by chiahead	Dec 20th, 2007 03:03:01 PM
Way cool. I dig the way the first night ends with the zoom into his retina and the last night ends with the zoom into hers. And he's in the same chair and stuff. Really nice. "I'll leave the light on" as a response to "I'll always come home." and so much emphasis on Katie's struggle versus Dan's in ep 1. Bravo, Falls & Co., for finishing what you started HOW you started it: thought provoking, character driven drama couched in very subtle sci fi. love it.
Maybe now, they can bring Farscape back... by _Maltheus_	Dec 20th, 2007 03:05:03 PM
I like JM and would have continued watching it. It seems to me, that whether you're talking Neilsons or political polling, nobody knows how to do it in the 21st century. Traditional techniques fail to grab a broad sample. But regardless of ratings, you have to sell your product before you can start relying on accurate feedback. If a good show isn't doing well, then the first response should be to figure out a way to sell it better, not just give up. But Hollywood types don't understand their product well enough to do this. It's really quite sad, seeing all that money left on the table. Not to mention that it was nice having stuff to watch on a Monday.
A good ending... by Zardoz	Dec 20th, 2007 03:07:47 PM
Well, Journeyman's over and it went out with a bang. It essentially answered all of the series' questions and had a very satisfying conclusion. (that final shot of the wife seeing Dan Jump was very well done) Sure, we could have used a little more background, but all in all, it worked. Sometimes, less is more...
this one doesn't have to go. by av238	Dec 20th, 2007 03:13:08 PM
I've registered with talkback only to post about my adoration with this show. I think NBC had a quality production here, and I'm sad to see them make a decision that's causing so much grief among what appears to be a strong collective of passionate fans. If I knew that boycotting NBC could make a difference, I would give it a try. But really, what else is there to watch? Reality TV is so mundane. Journeyman fans: You guys have good taste in entertainment. Let's just keep hoping that one day we get a little bit more out of this show.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Mr_X	Dec 20th, 2007 03:26:07 PM
shit. i came back home as quickly as i could, and watched the episode. thoughout i was thinking was a fucking brilliant ep, and the last minute. i kept on glancing at the clock wondering how long i had. and then tragedy, i had already read the spoiler that herc had added so i knew the last line. fuck. fuck fuck fuck fuck. what a brilliant episode. as one poster put on here, a brilliant ending on par with ST:TNG. there's so many stories left. it's just tragic. TO THOSE INVOLVED IN CREATING THE SHOW WHO ARE WATCHING. We the fans got it. we really did. To cast and crew thank you for creating these 13 episodes.
TO NBC & THE HATERS by Mr_X	Dec 20th, 2007 03:27:18 PM
FUCK YOU!
Sisko by VegasRon	Dec 20th, 2007 03:41:27 PM
I'm going to repeat what Xiphos said...NBC pimped the fuckall out of Bionic Woman and did shit for Journeyman, it easily had the least amount of promos of any show this past fall on NBC. So I can blame NBC for a couple of things...piss poor promotion and not sticking by what is obviously a quality show. So take your ratings and stuff them squarely up your ass. And furthermore, just STFU, nobody wants to hear it today. PAX JOURNEYMAN!!!
hooks by Mr_X	Dec 20th, 2007 03:41:34 PM
elliot langley and his research. for all we know, dan has visited him in the past, and thats why langley knows so much about time travel. what happens if dan is stuck for an extended period of time like liv was. crap. so many frikin story arcs here. do you think the other time traveller died because his "reality" had now completely ceased to exist? FAMMIT!
I liked the way Evan just dropped dead. by I Hope You Die	Dec 20th, 2007 03:42:03 PM
I think they were doing something particularly clever with the way Dan experiences time vs. non-travelers experience time. Everybody else lives in a many-worlds scenario where changes in the past cause the future to change (or branch off). But Dan lives in a scenario where if something happens that would alter his time-line (like Evan surviving so he couldn't "take over" as a traveler at that time), Nature intervenes to correct it. Dan experiencing time differently in this way explains why he can remember the way things were in different time-lines and doesn't cause paradoxes with himself (like losing his motivation to go back in time because a person he saved didn't die). The internal logic of this show seems to make a lot of sense.
Mr_X by Strabo	Dec 20th, 2007 03:51:10 PM
The biggest unresolved Elliot Langley question is how was Langley able to call Dan on his cell phone while he was in the past? That is a HUGE question. It implies that Langley knows much more than he let on in that final conversation, that he has the ability to travel in time, or at least access to the technology that allows time travel.
R.I.P. Journeyman by BandWFrog	Dec 20th, 2007 04:22:16 PM
Just wanted to add my name to the list of enthusiastic fans of this gem of a show. I was on the fence after the pilot (but Livia popping up unexpectedly + the ending with the digging of the ring got me to watch the 2nd ep.) and watched the first 3 or 4 episode as “background noise” while working on my laptop. But by ep. 5 the laptop was in its case and my full attention was on the show. I convinced my wife to give it a shot and brought up her to speed and she was hooked by ep. 7. These last two episodes were great. Last night finale was superb. The concept of time traveling was handled beautifully and smartly. There were so many ideas to explore. So kudos to ALL involved. We’ll really really miss you. I blame NBC for not showing one iota of support towards this show. Guess I’ll have now one more hour on Mondays to spend on the Xbox. Make that 2 ‘cause I’ve given up on Heroes after the crapfest that this 2nd “season” was. Side note to Xiphos: When you talk about Jeff Zucker buying shows for NBC that he produces himself, I think you mean Ben Silverman. The guy who founded Reveille (The Office, Biggest Loser…) and is now co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and NBC Universal Television Studio. Not that it makes much a difference as both of them are douchebags for cancelling JM. PS: I never post on this site. How do you do Paragraph Breaks?
Actually, DS9's ratings got worse towards the end arc. by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 04:23:27 PM
But that's just because everyone is FUCKING RETARTED FAMMIT! I'm watching the finale again tonight, and am going to pre-order the dvd's now. I keep thinking about this god damn show and keep getting a pit in my stomach about it, because the relationships were just so fucking well written. Dan and his wife were the most believable couple (given the circumstances) I have yet to see on television, and they only had 13 episodes. I'm really going to miss this show.
anyone else kinda depressed? by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 04:25:43 PM
got me a serious case of the bummers. Literally the first time a show has done this to me.
smackfu by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 04:30:04 PM
they really CAN'T afford it. I think I read it's about 2-3 million. Just look at the shitty film quality Sci Fi shoots their shows on man! Even BSG shoots in Vancouver and on bad cameras, so they have to make everything really dark. Journeyman also has a massive music budget (which I would argue they don't need), and the fact that Fox makes the show doesn't help anything AT ALL. Shooting all on location in San Fran is also very expensive, and could not be relocated to Vancouver without really hurting the show. Never would happen, and even if I did I don't want Journeyman to look like the Dresden Files (but It'll still never happen).
GO TO NETGROCIER AND... by NeoMyers	Dec 20th, 2007 04:58:25 PM
Send Rice-a-Roni to: Mr. Jeff Zucker President NBC Universal Television Group 30 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10112
how did langley call Dan in the past by ulcer	Dec 20th, 2007 05:15:21 PM
That's the answer I'd really want to have. Langley looked like he knew essentially nothing in this episode. But he did manage to call Dan _in_the_past a few episodes ago. Also, he was pretending to not know Dan in the other episode, but he has already gone twice to see him at his office!! Ridiculous!
dan was confused by Mr_X	Dec 20th, 2007 05:28:43 PM
he didnt know if something he had done on his past travels meant that those meetings with langley ever happened. that guy who played the politician? he played "number 1" on the sttng epsiode where everyone loses their memeory
FUCK by Mr_X	Dec 20th, 2007 05:41:58 PM

langley clearly did not spill ALL The beans by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 06:04:36 PM
He might have been working for one of those malicious groups he was babbling about.
Journeyman should go to USA Network by thevision	Dec 20th, 2007 06:26:29 PM
4400 and Dead Zone are gone, I think Journeyman would thrive on USA. I read on another post it won't happen because Journeyman is not produced by NBC/Universal. I would've liked to see more alternate timeline episodes, i.e., Jack marrying Katie. Here's hoping Kevin Falls tries to shop the series to another network, if not it was great series finale with Katie finally seeing Dan warp out of time.
Best new show this season. by Ayii	Dec 20th, 2007 06:28:29 PM
I hope this show continues on.
also, what would happen if Dan filmed himself by PVIII	Dec 20th, 2007 06:29:36 PM
porting, and then put it on national t.v.?
NBC by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 06:51:29 PM
You ARE dead to me. No, really! Get the fuck away from me! I'm done with you!
It's Christmas. by L.H.Puttgrass	Dec 20th, 2007 06:57:28 PM
And I'm still pissed.
Amazing by Jor-El23	Dec 20th, 2007 06:59:56 PM
Best episode of the sadly shortened run of this show. I can't believe people don't watch this but I really can't believe that people hate it so passionately.
Xiphos: NBC & Its History by DS9Sisko	Dec 20th, 2007 07:00:26 PM
There is absolutely no denying that NBC has supported a number of low-rated shows that went on to great acclaim, higher ratings, and/or multiple awards like Friends, Law & Order, etc. But the first problem with your maggot infested logic is that those shows have been few and far between. For every Seinfeld, NBC cancelled Sonny Spoon, Ferris Beuller, The Fanelli Boys, Working It Out and Parenthood. For every Hill Street Blues, NBC ditched a Father Murphy, McClain's Law, and Lewis and Clark Show. For every Scrubs, NBC took an axe to a US: Undercover, Emeril and Three Sisters. Why aren't you outraged that those LOW RATED SHOWS were cancelled? Why are you not huffing and puffing your smegma breath over the injustice of it all? Those shows had THEIR fans, many of whom thought they were fantastic. The second problem with your Bush-like fact twisting is that today's competitive environment makes it harder than ever for a show of ANY kind -- good or bad -- on any network to break out no matter how much promotion it gets: witness Cane on CBS, the regrettable Bionic Woman on NBC, and the collossal failure of Drive on FOX and the near total collapse of an entire network schedule (MyNetworkTV). No matter how much NBC promoted Journeyman (and they could have done better), that would not have necessarily given the show a better shot at higher ratings. But please, don't let inconvenient truths get in the way of your tortured indignation. My point was that as much as Journeyman really deserved to be a hit, the numbers were not there to support it. Period. No show on BROADCAST NETWORK TV other than the CW can or will survive with 6.6, 5.7, 4.4, 4.6 Nielsen ratings trending DOWNWARD. Journeyman could have survived if its 18-49 demos were through the roof, but they were horribly bad (1.7 in the final episode). Journeyman might have made it if it had a significant upscale audience share earning incomes of $65,000+ like The West Wing did, and The Office & 30 Rock do now. But it h

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