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Oh, Awesome! It’s King Kamali At The Montreal Pro! Must Have Been A Dark Night For This Joker! Catch It Quick!

First. by j_ky2002	Dec 16th, 2007 06:53:06 AM
Time ever.
right... by Soma Imp	Dec 16th, 2007 06:53:39 AM
what the hell is moriarty talking about?
Third of fourth? by GeekyAnimeNerd79Beyotch	Dec 16th, 2007 06:57:06 AM
Zomg!
The trailer by biffy88	Dec 16th, 2007 06:57:08 AM
I just want the theatrical trailer thats around on the internet so be the only trailer. I want to go into this film without seeing the best bits on the trailer
better quality by ironic_name	Dec 16th, 2007 06:59:24 AM
good job yt'er.
This is about eight hours of old news, guys. by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:01:25 AM

This is about eight hours of old news, guys. by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:01:26 AM

Ill wait for it by harosa	Dec 16th, 2007 07:02:20 AM
I assume by the setup its the Imax footage? I'll wait til i catch it in Imax myself, why spoil one of the only reasons I'm seeing I am Legend at an Imax theatre for in the first place.
What the fuck does the headline have to do by j_ky2002	Dec 16th, 2007 07:02:23 AM
with the fucking trailer? ANyone else confused, or just drunk like me?
Double, well, triple post by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:03:29 AM
Echoooooo! Anyway, there are all ready downloadable versions around.
j_ky2002, The headline is stupid by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:06:37 AM
It's just a better, cleaner version of the IMAX Prologue. It's been on SHH for almost half a day...of not longer. Trailer today at http://atasteforthetheatrical. com/
A little drunk by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:09:05 AM
Excuse the spelling. I got some Heinekens in me. BURP! This place needs an edit bitton for serious.
Feels like "Heat" meets Batman by SID 8.0	Dec 16th, 2007 07:09:36 AM
Every little bit I see of this makes me want to see it more.
Heinekesn.... by j_ky2002	Dec 16th, 2007 07:10:17 AM
Are shit next to Bud Ice.
I think the headline by Vesuvio	Dec 16th, 2007 07:10:27 AM
Is to avoid tracking by WB.
Vesuvio by j_ky2002	Dec 16th, 2007 07:13:05 AM
Well, that makes sense.
holy tapdancing by BobWalnut	Dec 16th, 2007 07:19:37 AM
mother of fuck.
If the headline is to avoid detection... by loafroaster	Dec 16th, 2007 07:20:11 AM
...why the hell did they include the words 'joker', 'dark', and 'knight'? Kind of defies the purpose, guys...
Anyone Who's Seen This in the IMAX Theaters by Playhouse	Dec 16th, 2007 07:21:36 AM
Can anyone who has seen this in an IMAX theater comment on the quality? We're obviously getting a distorted version caught at weird angles through vidcam phones or whatever. Is the sequence polished and "final cut" ready? It seems like it at points and then at other points it feels like it is still a working print. Can those that have seen this in person comment?
Heat + Point Break + Killer Klownz From Outer Space by That 70s Venom	Dec 16th, 2007 07:24:24 AM
I'm diggin it. Nolan will deliver us the goods. :)
loafroaster by ironic_name	Dec 16th, 2007 07:28:43 AM
the link at youtube has the name. wb is scouting youtube, maybe aicn will get less wb checks.
Actually, its Night, not Knight by Vesuvio	Dec 16th, 2007 07:32:39 AM
But I'll agree about using the word 'Joker'. They could use Jester or something else.. if WB is engaged in a search and destroy operation that's a word they'll be definitely looking for.
Well... by Brendon	Dec 16th, 2007 07:33:52 AM
...the cop thriller elements are present and correct. I suspect this may turn out to be a lot more interesting than the last film - Bat Day Afternoon beats the American Idol winner of SuperHero films any day of the week.
Hey, is it Mickey really holding a gun up there? by Vesuvio	Dec 16th, 2007 07:36:24 AM
While that blonde cartoon girl viciously checks out his genitals? What a fucked up world, my friends.
WHATEVER DOESN'T KILL YOU.... by Lashlarue	Dec 16th, 2007 07:37:20 AM
"Hey, where's the other guys?" :)
Vesuvio... by That 70s Venom	Dec 16th, 2007 07:41:32 AM
... dude, if WB is engaged in a search and destroy operation, they will most likely check AICN and other spoiler sites anyway, so they would come across it here I am sure.
RE: Playhouse by movieman742	Dec 16th, 2007 07:43:39 AM
I've seen it in Imax. I don't think it's that bad of quality. It is the finished print since this prologue will be playing in front of something on Imax until the release in June. It is way better than the trailer quality that is going around but I would still tell you to go to Imax to see it if you can. It's honestly unfuckingbelievable in that size and quality.
Download and keep it since it will disappear... by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:46:02 AM
...off YouTube
TheDesolateOne... by That 70s Venom	Dec 16th, 2007 07:48:14 AM
... how do you download and keep a YouTube video?
Link by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:49:27 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ 170gww
That 70s Venom by ironic_name	Dec 16th, 2007 07:50:29 AM
depends on your machine, just google download youtube video.
I just gave out a link. No work necessary by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:51:31 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ 170gww
Sweet thanks! by That 70s Venom	Dec 16th, 2007 07:57:23 AM
Appreciate it Desolate
That 70s Venom by TheDesolateOne	Dec 16th, 2007 07:58:19 AM
Don't mention it.
ThePilgrim... by That 70s Venom	Dec 16th, 2007 08:01:16 AM
... I'm sorry man I don't care how astute your eyesight is, that video is too poor of quality for you to sit there and nitpick the fuck out of it. Besides, even if you're right, I won't believe it until I see it in 1080P in Quicktime or in the theatre.
Michael Mann's Batman by DURANGO66	Dec 16th, 2007 08:06:33 AM
NO!!! nothing like it stupid this is playing way on a different level!!! its above that michael mann wished his stuff looked this good
William Fichtner... by That 70s Venom	Dec 16th, 2007 08:08:48 AM
... he was such a fucking pussy in HEAT, so it's refreshing to see him as a complete shotgun-toting badass in this clip. He's a damn good actor.
DURANGO66 why are you... by That 70s Venom	Dec 16th, 2007 08:11:34 AM
... hating on Michael Mann? Dude, when we were drawing HEAT comparisons that was complimentary, not derisive. Michael Mann is a wonderfully talented director, and to compare him to Christopher Nolan is nothing short of flattering. So if that clip reminds us of HEAT, that's a GOOD thing. Have you ever seen HEAT, dude???
If Kamali is a bodybuilder... by Bobo_Vision	Dec 16th, 2007 08:32:50 AM
...tell him to punch the back of that guy's huge head who is blcoking the bottom left of the screen. Actually, I didn't watch this after the first 30 seconds. I am looking forward to this, so I want minimal spoilers, and will only watch the trailers.
Holy Badass Batman!!! by RedRum1977	Dec 16th, 2007 08:35:58 AM
I am so really for this to hit!!
THAT'S how you shoot an action sequence by ZoeFan	Dec 16th, 2007 08:36:59 AM
I almost multipled!!!!!
Watched it! Spoilers and all! by Lashlarue	Dec 16th, 2007 08:42:05 AM

Reminds me of Michael Mann's HEAT, but with clowns! by HarryBlackPotter	Dec 16th, 2007 08:43:55 AM
Excellent. Can't wait to see the other 115 minutes!
It's like visual crack! by Lashlarue	Dec 16th, 2007 08:48:09 AM
So, does The Joker have the "war paint" inside the mask? Or does no one notice? The windows were tinted on the van. And no one seems to be close to him. What about Fitchner? Was he badass or what? And the head robber? "I'm sure the Joker told you to kill me." Awesome. Comparisons to Heat are righteously deserved. Can't wait for this one. You're kicking ass Nolan!
Damn, knocka!!! by spiderinside	Dec 16th, 2007 08:54:02 AM
That was sweet. Those clowns are so effed looking. Ledger's creepy as hell. And Fichtner! Gotta love the Fichtner. If the rest of the movie is half that awesome, we've got a classic on our hands.
No look gunshot FTW by I Dunno	Dec 16th, 2007 09:04:44 AM
Got to love the no-look gunshot.
HEAT sucked. by James Westfall	Dec 16th, 2007 09:13:51 AM
Dark Knight will suck worse.
James Westfall.... by judge dredds fresh undies	Dec 16th, 2007 09:20:42 AM
If god exists he will strike you down for such blasphemy.
Maybe it was the quality, but... by Buckys_Kick_Ass_Arm	Dec 16th, 2007 09:26:07 AM
The content wasn't too impressive for me. Maybe cuz it was daytime and NOTHING in Batman films happens in the daytime... especially a fuckin' bank robbery. Joker's way?
downloaded it last night by Turd Furgeson	Dec 16th, 2007 09:26:30 AM
and have watched it a number of times now. This movie is going to blow us away..
Fantastic... by DanielKurland	Dec 16th, 2007 09:35:53 AM
Love how realistic it looks and really enjoyed Ledger's voice in the scene. It's so nice to actually see the voice and face together, and see them work in context.
"where're the other guys?" BLAM! by sith_rising	Dec 16th, 2007 09:50:13 AM
can't wait!
That's what I want to see... by SkinJob69	Dec 16th, 2007 10:07:43 AM
A villian who actually does real evil on the screen. This certainly sets up the Joker as an intelligent, scheming, cold-blooded criminal threat. So many comic villians are portrayed as cute, costume-wearing, "dialogue-ing" wusses that one wonders if they are really dangerous at all. This footage leaves no doubt about Nolan's Joker- Kick Ass.
looks good by christpunchers2007	Dec 16th, 2007 10:09:07 AM
as long the entire movie works like a cat & mouse game between the creative joker and an even more creative batman things will work fine. And please, less "Rachel" this time please. And I would really love to see them break the mold by having Batman in plain daylight, a crime can happen outside at any time, Batman shouldn't be confined by darkness, otherwise he's just a supercop with shifted hours.
WHERE'S THE BLOOD????? by ludmir88	Dec 16th, 2007 10:12:13 AM
NO BLOOD? Not that dark anyway.
NICE THE UNDERCOVER HEADLINE. SO ILLEGAL SO SECRET!!!! by ludmir88	Dec 16th, 2007 10:16:00 AM
AICN RULZ!!!! ONLY TODAY. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
King Kamali on aicn. theres something new by messi	Dec 16th, 2007 10:17:06 AM
never thought i'd hear that before. he used to be a good bodybuilder.
Awesome camerawork, shitty forced exposition. by Fish Tank	Dec 16th, 2007 10:19:53 AM
They're trying too hard with the exposition here, but the pan along the length of the bank is astounding. Pace is great too.
This was awesome at Imax by shitstorm23	Dec 16th, 2007 10:29:02 AM
I could not pay attention to I am Legend, I was just too giddy after seeing that. Ledgers voice as the Joker sounds creepy, but not over done. All kinds of kick ass. Don't know how I'll manage waiting to get to see this. I am Legend was actually pretty decent, but I guess I went in expecting complete shit. Good pacing, seemed like it was 30 minutes long. The CG "vampires" were awful though, after seeing the initial workups I can't believe they didn't just scrap it and get real people.
FANTASTIC by nogimmick	Dec 16th, 2007 10:48:45 AM
good god, i can't wait to see this movie!
Actually has kind of a nice 70s/John Carpenter vibe by kevred	Dec 16th, 2007 10:50:06 AM
There's something just a bit hammy & pulpy about the lines and the way they're delivered, which was kind of surprising. And that intersection of visual realism + blunt line delivery (and somewhat showy lines) reminds me, in a good way, of some of Carpenter's best early-to-mid-80s movies, or Dirty Harry flicks, or the like. I really enjoyed that quality of it. Between the two clips we've seen here, this is starting to look like quite a good film--maybe even the most comfortable fusion yet between our reality and the comic book one. I hope it's better than the last one. I like Nolan, Bale, Neeson, and the rest of the cast, but it bored me so much that I couldn't even finish it. And the origin sequences seemed like some other movie. Looking at these new clips, I can now see Begins as just setting the tone and changing the expectations. I think the DC villain collection pales to that of Marvel, but this makes me think there is more good "re-imagining" material left for DC characters.
Oh yeah by CuervoJones	Dec 16th, 2007 10:50:48 AM

One flaw by Nuck81	Dec 16th, 2007 10:52:53 AM
He doesn't leave a Joker Card
Fantastic, so let the hating begin, perfect! by Stormwatcher	Dec 16th, 2007 10:54:41 AM
Awesome, like Cloverfield, it was awesome!
Nothing really given away... by seanny_d	Dec 16th, 2007 10:54:41 AM
It kinda reminds me of a 6-minute teaser in the same vein as the Spider-Man WTC teaser. Nice little introduction to how the Joker operates, but nothing really given away as to the overall structure of the story. The only real spoiler here is that the Joker kills people. And I don't think that's much of a spoiler at all.
Definitely informed by 70s film. by Felix Buckman	Dec 16th, 2007 10:59:50 AM
Agreed, kevred. Go back and watch 'The Conversation' or 'French Connection,' and you can see how it influenced this film as well as 'Heat.' I love the efficiency of the storytelling -- how much context they provide in such a short amount of time, e.g., how Joker set up this heist, who they're hitting, how entrenched the mob is in Gotham, and so forth. Frankly, I'm stunned at how good it looks. This clip totally cements my opening day attendance.
Ok can this be clarified for me once and for all..... by DirkD13"	Dec 16th, 2007 11:00:51 AM
Is this sequence a prologue to the main feature (like Hotel Chevalier was to The Darjeeling Ltd), or the first 6 minutes of the actual feature? I've heard different reports from various people and need some clarification, thanks gents and ladies.
Intense.... Wow!!!!!! by crackerfarmboy	Dec 16th, 2007 11:01:39 AM
A psychopathic Joker, that's EXACTLY what I want to see.
wheres the joker card?? by BurgerKing	Dec 16th, 2007 11:07:23 AM
NUCK is right, he didnt leave a joker card
Kane & Lynch Anyone? by aceattorney	Dec 16th, 2007 11:07:46 AM
The video game, Kane & Lynch has a multiplayer mode called Fragile Alliance - you play bank robbers with incentive to kill each other for a bigger slice of the pie.
The Penguin should be by Herald_o_Galactus	Dec 16th, 2007 11:26:24 AM
Paul Giamatti... too bad he did something like this in Shoot Em Up. Maybe Ray Winstone in an 'emperor penguin' role from abroad, as a big intimidating heavy who is smarter than he looks. This was so awesome.
Nuck81 by christpunchers2007	Dec 16th, 2007 11:27:59 AM
Maybe he did, we might see it in a later scene when the cops sweep the place.
At last a REAL CRIMINAL by garofellatio	Dec 16th, 2007 11:32:01 AM
FINALLY a villain in a comic book movie who actually commits crimes to get rich. Most villians in comic book movies eith destroy things at no profit to themselves or, if they commit actual for-profit crimes, it's to finance some particular goal. At last, the greatest criminal in comics gets to be an actual crimial onscreen!
Y'know William Fichtner coulda been the joker! by Raymar	Dec 16th, 2007 11:36:10 AM
He is already all types of crazy in Prison Break.
garofellatio by WolfmanNards	Dec 16th, 2007 11:41:24 AM
The only reason Joker would ever rob a bank as such would be to have money to perpetrate a scheme of his. Joker only commits crimes because he thinks they are funny. That's what's unique, and frightening about the character. He doesn't care about being rich, or having power, he only seeks those factors to have the ability to commit grand violent schemes just for the sake of his own morbid sense of humor.
This will be better than Batman Begins. by zodiac1012	Dec 16th, 2007 11:51:40 AM
Can't wait.
"Give him his pants, or this'll happen to you!" by Dickless	Dec 16th, 2007 11:54:13 AM
I liked this clip a lot and can't wait to see the rest of the movie, but it completely reminded me of this Kids in the Hall sketch: http://vids.myspace.com/index. cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual &VideoID=480055
Giant web by Thunderbolt Ross	Dec 16th, 2007 11:55:18 AM
Why did they skip the part where the school bus ends up in a giant spider web at the end?
Kids in the Hall sketch by Dickless	Dec 16th, 2007 12:01:46 PM
http://vidsearch.myspace.com/i ndex.cfm?fuseaction=vids.indiv idual&videoid=480055
I don't know what it is about by Dr.Poots	Dec 16th, 2007 12:12:05 PM
rubber clown masks that turn me on, but they just do. Oh, like you people don't have fetishes?
Nosferatu Jones by jfp2007	Dec 16th, 2007 12:25:27 PM
That big cheesy subway scene from Begins wasn't done in CG. It was done using huge models (including the entire crash sequence) with subtle CG enhancement via Batman jumping out of it and the monorail tracks themselves; however a lot of the stuff with Bats hanging down from the cars was also real.
Well, spank my ass and call me Charlie! by uss cygnus	Dec 16th, 2007 12:31:02 PM
A realistic joker! You have my attention.
He did leave a card... by jfp2007	Dec 16th, 2007 12:31:36 PM
..that was Joker venom or whatever you want to call it that was coming out of that tube in the bank manager's mouth. He will nice and smiley when we see him again. Who's to say he didn't leave a card and we'll see them pick it up later. Also, you can't really tell from this craptacular clip, but the bus side ways District 22 which probably has something to do with Harvey Dent and Joker's "it's all part of the plan" vendetta against him (based on the online viral campaign plus the verbal audio clues on those 10000 viral websites they have going for this movie).
Batman? by MC-909	Dec 16th, 2007 12:36:48 PM
There's a new Batman movie coming out? Who's in it?
Anyone else think the trailer will officially premier at 8pm? by Reynard Muldrake	Dec 16th, 2007 12:55:49 PM
at atasteforthetheatrical.com?
Wolfman Nards by garofellatio	Dec 16th, 2007 01:10:14 PM
Oh, I know, you're absolutely right, I just meant that, I got tired of super criminals in comic book movies who just destroyed things. I dunno how things are now, but when I read comics, the villains (including the Joker) didn't have day jobs and they stole stuff and robbed banks, you know, to make money. But yeah to the Joker the money itself certainly would be a much smaller concern than raising hell and amusing himself. I guess therefore it's ironic that the first real "villain robs a bank" scebe in a comic book movie would feature The Joker. (I don't count Doc Ock in SM2 because he specifically was going to use the money to rebuild his thingamajig. Still not right... uhh... I'm tired of bad guys being good guys gone bad.
looks great, but the "why do they call him the joker" line shoul by Mr. Waturi	Dec 16th, 2007 01:10:53 PM
"wear's makeup to scare people"-clunky, unnecessary exposition. otherwise, very cool.
anyone complaining about the subway scene by Happy Boy	Dec 16th, 2007 01:13:49 PM
is sheep with no will of his own
MC-909 by Mike_D	Dec 16th, 2007 01:15:19 PM
George Cloony.
8 and 28 diemembered by kudos_eb	Dec 16th, 2007 01:17:06 PM
i bet the trailer will be online at 8:28 tonight
FUCK Val & Tim by johnyaztec	Dec 16th, 2007 01:17:54 PM
This Batman makes Val and Burtons Batman look like a bunch of pussy's. All other to think diffrent can suck cock willingly.
Black Batman? by johnyaztec	Dec 16th, 2007 01:20:46 PM
I'm waiting for a Black Batman, due because America is racist it will never happen.
Damn, I hate when they show this stuff this early by Mr Incredible	Dec 16th, 2007 01:25:15 PM
Looked good, though. The movie won't be out until JULY. They've already screwed the pooch on keeping The Joker's appearance secret. I hope he has more surprises in the movie like a damn deck of metal throwing cards. Think I'm kidding? Go to www.bladeplay.com.
Awesome! by Der-Rabe	Dec 16th, 2007 01:26:53 PM
Simply Awesome!
DirkD13 by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 01:34:12 PM
There's little doubt this is actually the first minutes of the movie. They wouldn't film something like that and NOT include it.
I've seen enough by Hoots Mon	Dec 16th, 2007 01:36:09 PM
That was awesome, but job done now guys. No more trailers, websites or posters until the film opens.
Black Batman... by Der-Rabe	Dec 16th, 2007 01:37:08 PM
I myself am waiting for a black Paris Hilton but that will never happen either.
Looked damn good. by TattooedBillionaire	Dec 16th, 2007 01:45:34 PM
The next few months will be tough waiting for both Indy and Batman. I know the waits will both be worth it, though!
That 70's Joker by kafka07	Dec 16th, 2007 01:45:37 PM
Definitely has a 70's vibe. And love the way they portray him not only as theatrical, and psychopathic/homocidal, but also a cunning criminal mind. Batsy will have to become more of a detective in this one. Hopefully they'll release an official version of this online soon. Ain't no IMAX theater near me that I can see this on, sadly.
70's Venom I completely agree by DURANGO66	Dec 16th, 2007 01:46:37 PM
Michael Mann is a master of his craft, I own 3 versions of HEAT. It is one of those movies I can never get tired of watching, However sitting before the IMAX screen and seeing those 6-7 minutes of TDK blew away anything I had seen before It blew my mind!!!! and I am %100 faithful on this movie!!!!
Well shot, but lacks atmosphere by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 01:53:34 PM
The trailer on the other hand was loaded with atmosphere. Hmmm. I'll wait to judge.
w-o-w man thats intense. bat-heat. movie of the year. by pipergates	Dec 16th, 2007 02:06:06 PM
nolan's the man, give im an oscar already.
crow vibe by mrjoshua6272	Dec 16th, 2007 02:10:57 PM
i thought the look of the trailer had a bit of a the crow vibe to it
on imax by ballsxcrew	Dec 16th, 2007 02:19:08 PM
so much better on imax. the shot where they zipline off the roof and you get a glimpse of the streets below gave you the dropping sensation whilst in an imax theatre. so amazing. really though, if youre thinking about going to see i am legend purely to see this clip, please wait. i am legend was the biggest christian propaganda movie ive ever seen. and it didnt even present itself that way. damn tricky bastards trying to bring us over to the dark side by messing with our emotions!
There was a black Batman by Varakor	Dec 16th, 2007 02:21:23 PM
It was one of those one shots that Stan lee did on his interpretation of the DC characters. He kinda looked like Man bat in his costume and to me the book was kinda corny.
why so serious? by mrjoshua6272	Dec 16th, 2007 02:26:13 PM
can anyone makeout who he is saying it too?
Agreed on the dialogue kevred by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 02:29:28 PM
I liked how it was sort of pulpy, but purposefully so and used to good effect. Stands in contrast to Goyers dour and overly obvious Begins script, thank God.
New Joker poster by Crestfallen	Dec 16th, 2007 02:36:02 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3e5adw
Meh by Thylacine	Dec 16th, 2007 02:38:42 PM
Burton's Batman films are still the benchmark for me- dents (no pun intended) and all. I just can't stand this "realistic" approach to a guy who dresses up as a bat. All the exposition and dull attempts to fold in political thriller or heist style film making only make more clear the faults of these films. With no sense of wonder, intrigue or even spectacle- they become rip-offs of better written films- only with weirdly dressed characters who feel the need to explain every action they commit. I for one am not looking forward to a batman film with a "realistic" anything. What's the point?
Something about that didn't flow right by chaseguy17	Dec 16th, 2007 02:40:58 PM
Obviously there is going to be bias because it's a videocamera recording, and the sound was muffled. It also could be a rough cut. it just seemed like they didn't get the message across as clearly, for someone in the general audience to fully understand what was going on. It was just too quick. If I hadn't read up on it, I wouldn't really found the scene very compelling. They should have had a longer conversation with one of the goons, talking about how he got recruited...and then maybe some fear in his voice explaining..."he told me to kill so and so when he finished his job". The thug conversations in that cut...just seemed rather sloppy...and probably confusing. I didn't like how it flowed. Maybe i'm just weird.
And before you people jump all over Thylacine by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 02:41:18 PM
No he is not advocating a Joel Schumacher cheese filled cartoon. He advocating something with a little more life in it than what Nolan imbued. Something just a bit outside of our world, considering that Batman couldn't exist here and Batman Begins, despite what people like to think, didn't further the cause that he could.
Thylacine is absolutely right... by hypnotron	Dec 16th, 2007 02:49:25 PM
Chris Nolan's attempts to make Batman seem like a realistic possibility make these new movies in many ways far sillier than those that have come before it. Batman is a silly idea, there is nothing profound about it, its just about a weird rich guy who gets dressed up in a Batsuit and fights other weirdos in costumes. The killing joke is about the most honest Batman comic because at least it deals with this issue...Batman Begins took itself so seriously it is pretty much laughable 'unless they have a microwave emitter powerful enough to evaporate Gotham's water supply'....I mean come on, thats not much more credible than the Anti-shark spray from the 60's film! Both are equally ridiculous, just one of them has a $200,000,000 budget! So this will have great stunts and effects, but so what, lots of films have that. But I guess the Freudian weirdness of Batman is a big draw for a lot of rabid geeks who don't see it as such!
First! by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 02:55:39 PM
that clip was pretty sexy; the only part i didnt like was the dude toting the shotgun, didnt really seem to fit. And yes, you are weird chaseguy17
I find by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 02:58:45 PM
all of the batmans to be abstract from realism; its a theatric experience, this new batman has appeal to me because it seems grittier than the others and more entertaining than begins (snorefest). Not because of how realistic a bus going into a bank seems to be.
Wow, AICN Posted This? by Saluki	Dec 16th, 2007 03:06:12 PM
This bootleg isn't honestly good enough to show as a news story. You don't even see the row of buses that the Joker escapes into at the end. See it in IMAX people. Trust me.
Yeah, I see M.Mann and shades of Blade Runner too. by DoctorWho?	Dec 16th, 2007 03:06:19 PM
Good stuff. And FishTank is right, the dialog seemed a little forced on first viewing. Still, I love it.
oh by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 03:12:37 PM
ok,lol.
Realism and Batman (re: Thylacine, IndustryKiller, hypnotron) by Crestfallen	Dec 16th, 2007 03:16:55 PM
The (re)depictions of the Batman mythos necessarily requires fantasy elements; certainly Batman could not exist in the real, modern world. Nolan's first foray muted many of the explicit fantasy elements (Ra's Al Ghul's immortality; the gothic, ethereal atmosphere, etc.) but not entirely. Most films and fictional characters require some suspension of disbelief; even Jason Bourne, despite the gritty "realism" of those films is ultimately implausible in reality. It's a modern notion that fantasy must have some imbued with some realism in order for it to resonate with viewers. This may be nothing more than believable characters who respond in plausible ways to their atypical, fantasy situations. Batman has always been one of the more "realistic" of superheroes, with little scifi or supernatural/paranormal elements. His motivation is clear and makes sense within its own narrative. Nolan respects the Batman mythos; in no way is the material taken lightly. It is played straight. Whereas, "Batman and Robin" seems created as a self-parody, inherently mocking the very story and characters it purports to tell. Schumacher drifted towards the campy elements of Batman where Nolan has taken the recent serious presentation and gritty realism of the comics which place Batman in a society and world view much like our own. I personal prefer Nolan's take, so far, to that of Burton and most definitely Schumacher.
I'll bite. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 16th, 2007 03:18:30 PM
"Batman" is a silly idea. So is every other guy/gal who dresses up in a costume to fight crime or is born with a mutant "superpower". However, the fact that BATMAN BEGINS portrayed a legendary comic book character in a more realistic manner does not make these films "far sillier". In fact, quite the opposite. It's the realism that makes one feel that real consequences are at stake. Nolan managed to make a film about a "silly idea" that wasn't silly. He crafted an intelligent and emotionally involving story that didn't make (a lot of) people feel stupid about watching another goofball superhero movie. In the process, he overcame the god-awful taste left by the Goth-camp franchise that proceeded him. So, I'd say that most folks are looking forward to what TDK has in store because of this approach.
Batman Begins = Terrible Movie by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:20:14 PM
I don't see how anyone got into this movie. Everything about it was undeniably bad. I just can't help but think that this is not going to be any better. Everyone is so used to eating turds now that when they are given piss to drink to wash it down, they think it's lemonade. Shame on you for doing this to the rest of us.
Actually... by Tourist	Dec 16th, 2007 03:22:37 PM
...Begins was the first and so far only Superhero film that worked for me. I don't believe they took it in a more realistic direction either, they just treated it like a worthy film concept. They put time and attention into the development of the characters and stories and created a world, that although closer to ours than those of the gaudy stage looking Burton flicks, was not in anyway realistic, but perfectly supportive of the character. Without having to resort to stupidity to justify it. I think Begins worked perfectly at making people like me, who detest comic book superheroes, actually get interested in one. Understandably fans probally don't agree, since they like their favourite characters to look retarded.
i got into by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 03:23:13 PM
the scarecrow, he was bad ass, fo sho. the rest of the movie...not so much. maybe i have a man crush on cillian murphy?
"Why so suck?" by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:25:41 PM

Thanks to a little friend named Keepvid.com by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 03:26:12 PM
I'll be having access to this sweet little number long after WB catches wind of it.
"Why so stupid? by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:27:49 PM

Lord Nerd by zodiac1012	Dec 16th, 2007 03:28:17 PM
Batman Begins is the best superhero film ever.
"Why so shitty?" by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:28:33 PM

"Why so silly"? by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:29:25 PM

On the other hand... by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 03:29:31 PM
Are you starting to get a little suspicious? Thursday, the new trailer unofficially hits online, lasts 2 hours, then it gets pulled and WB's all like, "ah, if you liked that, then you'll LOVE it in Quiktime on Sunday." And now it's Sunday, and not only is the one getting it's official (re)release, but MORE pirated footage hits? They've been leaning on the power of viral advertising hard on this one. I'm starting to think all this pirated trailer shit ain't a coincidence...
The "attention" paid to teh characters in Begins by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 03:30:02 PM
certainly didn't extend to the villains of The Scarecrow and Ras Al Ghul, who were treated as little more than window dressing. It also didn't extend that far into Bruce Wayne. There was nothing in the Begins origin story about Bruce Waynes character that one couldn't have easily devised on their own given the circumstances. The fact that He'll never get over his parents death and uses Batman as a symbol of justice are not anywhere near fresh ideas int he Batman lore. It basically spent an hour stating teh obvious and showing us a piss poor training sequence that couldn't in a million years resulted in Bruce Wayne becoming the greatest human fighter on the planet Earth, which he is supposed to be. It also neutered the fact that Bruce Wayne is also one of the most brilliant minds humanity has to offer.
"Why so shoddy?" by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:31:08 PM

Lord Nerd, recommend a movie, then. by MrSandwich	Dec 16th, 2007 03:32:28 PM
What out there is worth your attention?
Tourist you said it all champ by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 03:33:20 PM
It works for people who detest "retarded" superheroes....except the ones who dress up like a bat.....and drive impossibly nimble megavehicles through downtown and never get caught despite the fact that we have something this day and age called helicopters, and anyone who works at the company who built the machine would have recognized it. And the ones with villains who turn the water supply into a LAKE OF POISON GAS!!!! Oh my! Yup, I bet all that realism worked for you Tourist.
I like how when... by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:34:38 PM
..Bruce Lame got all Ninjafied in 30 minutes, kicked all of the ninja's asses wrecked the entire GI Joe ninja compound fell tumbling down the side of Mount Fuji....then he brushes himself off and grabs a plane back to office. Great Fucking Movie...I see everyones point on this.
I liked BAD BOYS TWO by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 03:35:58 PM
Batman begins would have pwned if it was done by Micheal Bay! Flame On!
Recomend a movie? by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:37:26 PM
Hmmmm. Let's see.....Ummm. Since you liked Batman Returns how bout I suggest "Battle Beyond the Stars".
Exactly noiretblanc by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 03:42:02 PM
Which is exactly why the drawn out origin story was pointless. It told you nothing new about Bruce Waynes character, nor did it work as an effective transformation into the greatest fighter and one of the most brilliant minds on Earth. It was wasted time.
shakespeare by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 03:44:49 PM
is so fuggin ovverrated, he catered to the peasants of his time; his work is mediocre! jawohl mein fuhrer!
overrated* by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 03:45:54 PM
edit function? whats that?
I also like how... by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:47:30 PM
...everyone tries to sound so intelligent when trying to identify with a comic hero movie. hahaha
this is probably going to be something.. by seekshelter	Dec 16th, 2007 03:47:45 PM
like that spiderman bank robbery trailer.. that wasn't actually in the movie..but gave you a little something to check out.
"Why so Shakespeare?" by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 03:48:37 PM

Oh please Noiret by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 03:49:10 PM
Stop apologizing. Let's hypothetically say it could outrun the police on the ground, to say nothing about a fucking car driving on rooftops, they would have a fleet of air support following this thing. Which the vehicle could absolutely not outrun. As for Fox covering up for Wayne, dude Waynetech would have spent millions upon millions constructing a vehicle like that, there would be tons of engineers working on the technology to make it happen as well as corporate suits checking in on where the progress is on this thing they are investing so heavily in, not to mention the governments whose militaries would be interested in purchasing it and the people who originally rejected the design. There would have been tens if not hundreds of people with intimate knowledge on the Batmobile.
Had a very Pelham vibe to me... by Sledge Hammer	Dec 16th, 2007 03:50:43 PM
Very cool, and Ledger's voice worked for me better in this sequence than it did in the teaser. Really looking forward to this.
lol, industry killer by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 03:55:05 PM
delving into the economic mechanizations of a sociopath in a miniature tank. thats great. the end of batman begins licked balls, imho, omgz the water vaporizer is going to have everybody huffing agent orange, and ichabod crane over there is nigh unstoppable. no im not trying to make a point, its just funny to me.
someone get industrykiller into a director's chair...he obviousl by carrotjuice	Dec 16th, 2007 03:55:24 PM

Begins is the best superhero film by odo19	Dec 16th, 2007 03:57:04 PM
Thats right, you haters make me fucking sick.
What the hell are you tb's talking about? by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 03:59:46 PM
Shakespeare, Bad Boys 2, Battle Beyond the Stars, Orson Welles. Let me add to the discussion by giving my take on The Vagina Monologues. WTF?
the vagina monologues by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 04:01:37 PM
what a cunningly deceptive title that was. almost as sneaky as the pos primeval
Logic is "antagonizing"? by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 04:06:46 PM
I'm just stating the obvious Noiret. It doesn't matter if it's obsolete, the company still spent millions on it and people still spent a chunk of their lives constructing it and overseeing it. There are plenty of concept cars that never see the light of day but if someone went mowing people down in one the company would know exactly where the fuck it came from.
Can I make anymore suggestions for anyone? by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:07:23 PM
ahahah.How about...ummm....Ernest Saves Christmas? You Batman Beginers might like this most excellent title.
Camus can do, but Sarte' is smarte'. by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 04:10:02 PM
The post modern philosophy of Derrida has little relevance when compared to our geopolitical global reality. Further more, genitalia is little more than a symbolic metaphor for our individual fears of extinction. That said, televised programs that glamorize sex and violence only add to this current state of cultural apathy. We should pet more dogs, and spend time laughing with children. At the end of days it will be the hedonists and drunkards that will save our pathetic skins.
"Why so Sarte?" by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:11:51 PM

Indubitable standards must prevail by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 04:18:01 PM
Throw your swords into the river my sweetlings and dance naked on the roof of the world. "Boobs" is a common refrain for jealousy.
Ok Yack, on a metaphorical level I can see where by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 04:18:25 PM
you are coming from. Some of the themes it's working with are present, although Goyer drills the theme of fear into your head far too much. And I really should say before I go on that I'm harsh, but I don't think it's a horrible movie without any merit. But I think on an execution level maybe they tried to fit so much in that it becomes a master of none of it. The origin story is the best ever put to screen, it's also the only one ever put to the big screen. I think as far as smaller stories of young Bruce Wayne go the few episodes of the animated series in which it shows Wayne training with his former master are the best around. But in the film the actual training of Bruce Wayne is present but rushed, I would rather have it implied and fill in my own blanks than have a montage that looks like it took place over about a month of time and doesn't even come close to delving deep enough into the mechanics of how Bruce Wayne became the single greatest fighter of crime in the world. It's very very uneven. You speak a lot of Ras Al Ghul, I felt the character was done no justice in Begins. He exists solely as a platform for Bruce Wayne to leap from into Batman rather as a character with nuance of his own and one of the greatest villains in Batman's cache. Same goes for The Scarecrow. There is a reason why Spider Man and Batman are maybe the two greatest traditional superheroes, and a large part of that is their amazing rogues gallery. If you waste the villains, you waste a big part of the hero. There is a reason after all that whenever the Joker shows up in Batman's life he becomes the focal point of the story, and that is because he may in fact be more interesting than Batman himself. But that's up for debate.
Indubitable standards MUST prevail... by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:21:23 PM
..which is why noone should go see these steam pile. "Throw your money into the river my faglings and dance naked on the roof of the theatre. "Sense" is a commone refrain for jealousy.
Thanks... by HExTeXly	Dec 16th, 2007 04:25:14 PM
...Now I don't have to go and see that steaming pile aka "I Am Legend" this weekend. What there was, was good. I like the casting, the pacing, the confusion, and the pay off. Brilliant. Now all we need is another two hours like this...and we're good.
Indubitably by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 04:30:04 PM
Profound nuance bewilders common man.
Did anyone hear about Will Ferrel being The Riddler? by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 04:31:00 PM

Oh boy, the part of college with no practical value by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Dec 16th, 2007 04:31:15 PM
When's the damn trailer coming?
Noiretblanc you are making up totally... by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 04:32:02 PM
absurd things that conveniently allow Bruce Wayne to get away with it through a series of coincidences. I'm presenting the inner workings of every corporation in the world. Once is more logical than the other here. The point you haven't attempted to contend is the strongest point, and that is that hundreds of people int eh past would have seen this thing, that is just factually the way it would have gone down. Someone would recognize it considering there isn't another tank car with a rocket engine around. Also the cops would have had helicopters chasing him, which is standard procedure for any high speed chase. but then again I suppose I can't win because you will come up with some imaginary budget cuts in the police force that unfortunately made it a necessity to sell all their helicopters to Metropolis.
Will Ferrel = Riddler? FUCK NOOOOOOO! by GQtaste	Dec 16th, 2007 04:33:24 PM
That has to be the worst fucking idea i've ever encountered on this site ever! And that's saying something.
Huh? by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:34:29 PM
I don't get it. ahhaha
This is the most overly wordy and weird TB yet by Yeti	Dec 16th, 2007 04:36:55 PM
Kudos you ninnies. Makes me look almost lucid.
You guys... by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:38:08 PM
...are boring and nerdy. I'm going over to the "Superman is Stronger than the Hulk" talkbacks. Fuck this shitty shit. hits refresh button to see if anyone has replied to me, then heads on over to the SISTTH talkbacks
the thing with the internet... by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 04:42:05 PM
is that it polarizes views. Begins is far from a bad movie. But it's not a perfect Batman movie sent down from heaven either. It's pretentious, but not nearly as pretentious as the Spider-man sequels are. (Raimi, if all you wanted to make were a couple of movies about a shy, socially awkward nerd who inspite of himself manages to date a Grade-7 girl, you should have just made that, instead of making those movies and trying to convince me they were Spider-man movies.) Like it or not, you kind of have to think that the Batman franchise is using the "auter" approach. I know that's not what anyone intended, but that's just what's happened. If you want a perfectly made iconic, definitive Batman, that's the 92-97 cartoons. With the Batman films, you just have to know that every 2 or so they bring in a new director who's going to do a wildly different take on the character. None of the Batman films will be definitive and hit every fan's G-spot, but they don't have to be. Each interpretation has brought us something of value, and added to the overall fabric of the Batman myth. For the sake of Geek Cred, my favorite Modern Superhero movies are X-men 1 and 2, followed By Begins. Then Spider-man 1, then X-men 3, then Spider-man 3, then Spider-man 2, and so on in that fashion...
My life just called. by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:43:16 PM
It wants me back.
That's why i'm in LA testricals by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 04:44:54 PM
Maybe not to do EXACTLY that, but you know....
Greenstyle pretty much just settled this by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 04:47:21 PM
great post man. I'm not sure I don't think you are being a little easy on the Superhero genre, which is pretty terrible on the whole and needs to be criticized , but great post nontheless.
Stop dissin' Goyer... by lynxpro	Dec 16th, 2007 04:47:27 PM
Save the fanboi h8 for the true party guilty of high crimes against cinema...that being Akiva Goldsman.
X3 and SM3 were horrendous by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 04:49:33 PM
Up there with Batman and Robin in their ridiculous portrayal of their respective characters. The other films are merely mediocre. Face it a brilliant superhero film has yet to be made, except for maybe The Incredibles, but that doesn't count.
I just don't get spider-man 2. by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 04:50:39 PM
It's a whole movie about Tobey Maguire staring blankly at the wall of his little apartment, looking like he's either about to cry or that he really needs to take a shit but is out of TP, as he mutters the name Mary Jane over and over again. The same Mary Jane who is a total selfish golddigger with desperate needs for attention, causing her to be a drama queen. Peter, Dude, I know that you got your first orgasm because you saw Mary Jane take her training bra off through your bedroom window and you starting yanking your crank, but it's time to move on to girls who aren't totally lame. aside from a little extra chunk, Gwen would definitely have been a trade up. Seemed she had a life that didn't totally revolve around herself.
I'll be serious for a moment by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:50:48 PM
I thought that "Batman Dead End" was a great little take on Batman. No one here has even mentioned this one. What gives?
Batman Dead End by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:52:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Hjp0I_ okX0w Go watch. Very cool for what it is.
Black Batman? by rourke	Dec 16th, 2007 04:52:39 PM
wouldn't work sorry - would be like having a white Black Panther - that trailer kicked my nuts into the stratosphere
That was GREAT! WB better show any more footage by Space Disc Jockey	Dec 16th, 2007 04:55:02 PM
Too bad the video cropped the bottom, but damn that was fucking great! Reminds you of Heat, but I love what Nolan has done here. This is the evil Joker we have been waiting for. As for the complaints about it taking place in the day...um, I think that was a great move. Instead of having it take place at night, I think it's more interesting to have a "dark" scene, take place during the day. Yes, we have seen movies that have bank robberies take place, during the day, but this was a better approach, than having the Joker rob the bank at night. I also noticed that the Joker didn't leave a card, but maybe he did and we just didn't see it. It would've been nice if he threw, or placed the card near or on William, before leaving.
Noiretblanc by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 04:56:22 PM
This is why I AM Lord Nerd. I AM..here to educate. I'll be writing a bible as soon as I get a publishing deal.
That was GREAT! WB better NOT show any more footage by Space Disc Jockey	Dec 16th, 2007 04:57:16 PM
Too bad the video cropped the bottom, but damn that was fucking great! Reminds you of Heat, but I love what Nolan has done here. This is the evil Joker we have been waiting for. As for the complaints about it taking place in the day...um, I think that was a great move. Instead of having it take place at night, I think it's more interesting to have a "dark" scene, take place during the day. Yes, we have seen movies that have bank robberies take place, during the day, but this was a better approach, than having the Joker rob the bank at night. I also noticed that the Joker didn't leave a card, but maybe he did and we just didn't see it. It would've been nice if he threw, or placed the card near or on William, before leaving.
sorry for the double post by Space Disc Jockey	Dec 16th, 2007 04:58:06 PM

You mean that one where Aliens and Predators show up? by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 04:58:12 PM
At it's very best, Dead end is like a decent fan fic. Better than you expected, but definitely not the real deal. Then the Aliens and Predators show up. And not just Aliens and Predators, (Excellent movies with shitty sequels,) but Alien VS. Predator. (Which is a separate franchise because it just sucks so much. If AvP were really part of the Alien Canon, it wouldn't matter how masterful the first two alien films are, you'd have to classify the Alien films as a franchise that by and large sucks.
Is this still up? by Barry Egan	Dec 16th, 2007 05:01:25 PM
I am shocked Warners hasn't forced it down.
Hulk IS stronger, that's why Doomsday is boner Hulk by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 05:01:31 PM
I mean bony. Bones popp'n all over that hack character.
I want to see A Dark Knight Returns JapAnimated Feature by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 05:03:04 PM
Everything else would then be mute.
It just didn't work for me. by Thylacine	Dec 16th, 2007 05:06:52 PM
I guess I like my Batman more romantic, and a bit more thoughtful than what's been coming out since Burton left. The characters just weren't as interesting to me in Begins. The sterling moment in the Batman films, for me, is when Selina asks Bruce if they have to start fighting, when they realize who each other are. People who fight in masks, going to a costume party out of costume. The way they interact, and the situation that conversation takes place in, make the characters real- rather than just explainging where they buy their gadgets from. Burton was able to invest in his characters a sense of place, where Begins just takes a real world place, sticks some fake buildings in, and then proceeds to tell you where Batman got all his stuff from. If Burton's movie's suffer from anything- it's that they're dated firmly in the 90's, often relying on one liners (most of them very good) and stunt casting (most of them very good) that show their age.
Dial Up by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 05:07:25 PM
Some of you must be on dial up cause' your response's and comments are coming in waaaay to late. It's just not funny or even relevent by the time that modem finishes all of it's sounds and your Netzero comes online.
Beyonce' to be cast as Batgirl. by kirttrik	Dec 16th, 2007 05:09:00 PM
This will be post Nolan.
such a fun experience by ballsxcrew	Dec 16th, 2007 05:09:02 PM
at the bridge midnight showing during the "announcement" more people cheered when the clip was mentioned than what feature they were about to see. i had to laugh when the guy said "the dark nights" clip though.
Perfect. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 05:14:13 PM
I always wanted the true crime/detective HEAT-ish Batman spiced up with uber-villains, that's just me. Yes, that rocked so hard it blew my hair to the back of this auditorium.
Peter Dinklage as the Penguin by SideshowScott	Dec 16th, 2007 05:14:15 PM
.
Looks great! by Fing Fang Foom	Dec 16th, 2007 05:14:19 PM
Woo hoo!
Taking shots at dile-up users... by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 05:23:46 PM
is just cheap. I may personally be part of the broadband era, but bashing those who aren't is lame. It's jut you being an elitist bastard. Believe it or not, there are people out there who have less disposable income than we do.
Greenstyle -92 1/2 by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 05:27:00 PM
How do you know my broke ass aint sittin' in a library on the net with a 30 minute time limit? ahaha
IndustryKiller! is totally right, though. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 05:30:53 PM
About the batmobile in Begins. I was thinking those same points as I was watching the movie. Also, secret society of Ninjas engineering the fall of Rome, etc. went way too far. But you know what? Despite all that I still loved Begins. There were scenes that totally resonated with me. For me it was truly great from casting right down to its ubiquitous Fear theme. I knew it was the sign of a great movie when not even the row of teenagers in front of me paging and texting the shit out of their cell phones and making snide comments on the movie did absolutely NOTHING to ruin it for me. That's the ultimate in invincible theater experience right there. It was like the movie itself was batman, blocking and returning everything thrown at it. Truly one of the most memorable theater experiences I've had.
Well, I guess you could be one of those self-depricating by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 05:31:12 PM
post-self awareness weirdos. But you seem to be keeping up with the conversation. and earlier you made the point that someone on dial up would NOT be able to keep up with the conversation. Which means you either really are on broadband or you yourself nullified your own point.
"I may personaly be part of the broadband era" by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 05:32:54 PM
Thank you ROBIN HOOD. I like how you went ahead and distinguished yourself as a broadband user so as not to confuse you with the poor scum that you so verbaly guard.
3 library cards by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 05:35:41 PM
That gives me an hour and a half here. ahahah
FINALLY! A Batman movie that feels real! by Violator90	Dec 16th, 2007 05:37:57 PM
Now this is chocolate cover pussy juice indeeded! The Joker is exactally what the comics have made him: psychotic and a criminal master mind! This is how Batsy is suppose to be! A Fucking Decective! I love this Michael Mann-style scene, I hope TDK comes out looking more like this scene because if it does: we fans are witnessing the evolution of our beloved superheroes into more gritty and true version of their comic book origins. CAN'T FUCKING WAIT NOW!
Library card access. Fuck yeah. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 05:39:52 PM
That's gangsta. That's how I rolled for over a year.
Heat this is NOT by ZoeFan	Dec 16th, 2007 05:41:30 PM
Anyone who compared this scene with the Heat bank robbery scene apparently don't use their eyes to see. The only thing that these scenes have in common is that they are bank robberies. Michael Mann tends to shoot things more straight up. Whereas Nolan is shooting this sequence with a lot of angles and movement. These scenes look NOTHING alike. What are you people talking about?
That's it!!! by greenstyle92	Dec 16th, 2007 05:41:51 PM
Try to find a way in which I'm being back-handedly condescending and secretly insulting. That's MUCH worse than your out-and-out asshole-ism! I also love how you changed your tune when I demonstrably caught you in a lie.
Ooops I just depricated myself. by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 05:42:29 PM
Well it was just a little shart. No big deal. I'll wipe when I get up.
The librarian... by Lord Nerd	Dec 16th, 2007 05:50:34 PM
...just asked me to be quiet. Seems as though you're not supposed to laugh out loud and shart yourself in a public library.
re: Heat by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 05:53:23 PM
I for one wasn't talking about the actual directorial style shot for shot, but "essence" if you will. Just the down-and-dirty realistic crime the Joker is employing, the demeanor of the robbers being more like actual criminals instead of cartoon henchmen, etc. Heat sprang to mind. Sorry. (O' you crazy film students!)
The bad parts of begins were Goyers fault by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Dec 16th, 2007 05:56:17 PM
Obviously.
GHEEEY by Kai_Mah'gra	Dec 16th, 2007 05:58:52 PM
....that is all.
Surprised, the youtube trailer still online... by wadi77	Dec 16th, 2007 06:25:17 PM
Guess the title helps... Now where's the official online trailer? No trailer at the atasteforthetheatrical.com yet.
WHO'S THE IDIOT LAUGHING AND TALKING???? by J-Dizzle	Dec 16th, 2007 06:54:50 PM
And the camera angle sucked!
kaspian by Reynard Muldrake	Dec 16th, 2007 07:04:00 PM
thanks! i see that now (that it will be then, not the actual trailer). my guess is the way things are going, you won't be able to buy a ticket to the movie without jumping threw a shload of website and clues come july. ha.
WTF!!!! by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 07:25:10 PM
That wasn't the joker, that was Freddy Krueger and Jason all rolled into one.
A SAD DAY.... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 07:28:12 PM
So this is the improvement mighty hollywood has made to the batman series. It's disgusting! What parent in their right mind would allow their kids to go see this flick?
Trailer's up guys by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 07:30:47 PM
Just fyi
And we wonder.... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 07:32:31 PM
What's happening to our children? I'm not trying to be some pansy here, I love my shoot 'em up movies also but Batman is suppose to be kid friendly. It's fine for twenty somethings and up but come on!
fantasy vs. realism by non-existent-man	Dec 16th, 2007 07:34:45 PM
are you kidding me? Do we really want to go back to the seven-thousand different toys selling suits and shitty ass non-plausible gadgets from batman forever and batman and robin. As far as BB goes, it was the closest summarization to Miller's Year One on the screen. But I agree with the other posters comments on not involving the elements of Batman's escape artistry talents by Zatana's father or the fact he has a background in forensic and chemical sciences. Wayne/Batman is a great deductive thinker who picks up on the subtleties that others miss at a crime scene, murder investigation or etc. AND Cmon its fucking comic book movie, disbelief is needed but fuck me sideways I dont want another fucking BAT movie where he carries around a BAT AMERICAN express card or see some neo gothic SEAL embraced gotham city. I would have loved this movie to be a killing joke adaptation but i don't think it would work after BB as well as mainstream audiences could stomach it and there's obviously the Moore factor. All in all this movie will be a fantastic if not decent, please for the love of fuck sake stop the hating because if I ever see another fucking retarded singing MR. freeze or a emo version of SUPERFAG i'm gonna gouge my eyes out.
"What parentwould allow their kids to go see this flick?" by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 07:36:15 PM
Yeah, keep sending your kids to mindless saccarine bullshit so they can grow up and listen to bubble gum pop, have shitty taste in everything, and be boring carbon copies of everyone else. That'll make the world a better place!
So.... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 07:37:43 PM
what do you tell the sixteen and below who want to see this movie then?
LOL... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 07:40:29 PM
So sending them to a violent movie about a comic hero is your remedy? Think about that (God forbid) when some youngster walks into a school and starts shooting up the place.
This isn't in the movie, right? by j_ky2002	Dec 16th, 2007 07:42:25 PM
Isn't this supposed to be a stand-alone type intro, as Nolan was already pushing over two hours for TDK? So you can watch it without spoiling anything.
Please tell me you're joking MRX67 by IndustryKiller!	Dec 16th, 2007 07:42:38 PM
First we are ridiculously blaming school shootings on videogames, now Batman??? You can't possibly be that stupid.
Grow up MRX67. by Mostholy	Dec 16th, 2007 07:44:54 PM
Or, better yet, go read a Bob Kane comic book. There's been murder and mayhem from the start.
phoenixmagi by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 07:45:59 PM
Batman WAS fighting a personal fight with the villains in Begins. To me it was the whole point. He was first fighting a struggle with himself, then with shadowy villains overcoming their warped sense of justice and establishing purpose as a vigilante. Now the real challenges come--Joker, etc.
I bet.... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 07:46:01 PM
You won't take your kids to see this movie if you have any? And if you do then that explains all.
Why so serious? OFFICIAL TRAILER IS ONLINE by daveyf	Dec 16th, 2007 07:47:26 PM
www.atastefortheheatrical.com
I don't know. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 07:48:19 PM
I kind of liked the fact that Bruce was went at it with villains who were unknown to the general public. Because it was HIS fight. His movie.
I'm not trying.... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 07:50:33 PM
to be politically correct here. I grew up on Marvel comics and the such. Batman was a hero then in a transitional time. So much of our kids youth is being taken away from them piece by piece to the point where most don't know how to be kids anymore. All I'm saying is that this movie is going to take away another piece of their youth.
Trailer Online!! by wadi77	Dec 16th, 2007 07:54:48 PM
atasteforthetheatrical.com
Ugh. by Mostholy	Dec 16th, 2007 07:59:23 PM
MRX67, it's not Chris Nolan's responsibility to make family-friendly entertainment of a character that, in many incarnations, has had more of an edge than your kids can apparently take. And it's not like theaters are lacking for kid-friendly movies. So, please, drop the op-ed and get over yourself. Your kids look at worse stuff on the Internet or the school bus EVERY DAY.
MRX67 by WhoDis	Dec 16th, 2007 07:59:39 PM
Um... Batman still is the hero of this piece. And I'm pretty sure "we" will be rooting for him to kick Joker's ass, just like always. And since when is media entertainment supposed to raise kids anyway? I'm tired of parents and religious people taking away my movies "piece by piece". Everything's gotta be PG these days. Fuck 'em. It was a long, hard road for Batman fans to get these two movies, we don't need to bring it back down to the Adam West days.
WHODIS.... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 08:06:26 PM
Do you have any kids?
MRX67 by WhoDis	Dec 16th, 2007 08:09:50 PM
What does that have to do with anything? Go read Mostholy's post if you still don't get it. After reading the rest of your posts, I'm almost deciding that you are just trolling anyway.
Why so Gheeiiyy? by Kai_Mah'gra	Dec 16th, 2007 08:10:46 PM
...that is all. (And I'll keep doing it bitches!!!)
A misleading trailer... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 08:12:53 PM
Especially after seeing the unathorized clip AICN has so graciously bestowed upon us.
I thought so... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 08:15:23 PM
Nothing against you but it's different when you have kids. Your entire reasoning process changes. In other words, you start to grow up.
Good God, MRX67 by Mostholy	Dec 16th, 2007 08:17:45 PM
Get over yourself, just because you decided to spawn. It's the easiest thing in the world to breed, and doesn't make you any more special or enlightened. See above.
Not looking for an argument.... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 08:20:01 PM
I voiced my opinion and obviously you don't agree with it.
Nice one, MRX67 by WhoDis	Dec 16th, 2007 08:21:55 PM
Everyone in the world who doesn't have kids hasn't grown up yet. Right.
Mostholy... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 08:23:14 PM
My kids are going to want to see this movie because it has Batman in it. As a father I have to tell them no. Then I have to explain why they have to go see Enchanted instead? My ratings as a father will drop worse than our current President.
by the way by WhoDis	Dec 16th, 2007 08:23:23 PM
please bring your "opinion" to a more active BATMAN trailer talkback so I can have a good laugh : http://www.aintitcool.com/node /35084
Wonder if this is actually in the final movie by ahdvd	Dec 16th, 2007 08:35:46 PM
Think it would be really cool if this were released legitimately on the web and then NOT included in the final movie, or perhaps included in a branching version when it's out on DVD? It would make for an interesting campaign strategy
MRX67 by ahdvd	Dec 16th, 2007 08:47:07 PM
How old are your kids? Are they even old enough to be the key age for reading 'THE DARK KNIGHT' comics? The problem isnt with this version of Batman, this is the truest version of Batman that exists and the majority of fans realise this is the version that they expect and want - not because of the material, but because of the world they live in, this Batman reflects 'the real world' more than the 70's tv show and shcumacher's movies which are just laughable nowadays(If i had kids i wouldnt let them watch those because i would want them growing up with some taste).
MRX67 by Bill Brasky is one sick sonofa	Dec 16th, 2007 08:47:55 PM
I am so glad the state allowed you and your homosexual partner to adopt ... CONGRATS
anyone who claims to be a 'nerd'... by sidburnd1	Dec 16th, 2007 08:52:39 PM
on a regular basis to other people, has some sort of sad identity problem and hasn't caught on to that awkward silence, every time, after their REGULAR proclamation. And on a side note, Im really looking forward to the dark knight.
MRX67 is a turd-sandwich by TwistedFilms	Dec 16th, 2007 08:59:52 PM
Seriously dude, if you think your kids are going to go on a shooting spree because they watched The Dark Knight you have some terrible parenting skills and raised some weak minded little ankle-biters.
MRX67 by jerseycajun	Dec 16th, 2007 09:01:34 PM
Do I have to start sounding like an ABC after-school special to tell you that sometimes being a good parent means making unpopular decisions for your kids? Tell them they can watch it when they're older.
lol mrx67 you must be kidding.. by T 1000 xp professional	Dec 16th, 2007 09:07:48 PM
There is no way you can be serious.... What incarnation of Batman did you think was acceptable? If you don't feel like this is appropriate for your kids then don't take them or complain about it either. Since when was Batman MRX67 Jr. friendly? was it when Batman took a gothic turn in film in the late 80s, or when the Batman villains were killing and raping in the comic books?Would you also rather Batman fight a missionary joker who donates to charity and leaves Christian message tracts wherever he thinks there's a need for God's love. Batman not fighting bad people is bad for film and bad for your kids. Kind of sends a mixed message 'ya know... Your decision as a father for this pretty good interpretation of how a Batman film should be is your own business. I can understand you choosing not to take them. You're the only one who knows your kids and what they can handle. I'm even going to help you out a bit on your decision and make you aware that it probably is going to be pg-13 for a reason( the same as the previous batman movies which seem your children are already fans of)....With all due respect your parental guidance according to your children's age and supposed maturity level are not the universal standard for this movie or any Batman stories, so please don't complain and ruin it for the rest of the class.
grammar and spelling are overrated lol by T 1000 xp professional	Dec 16th, 2007 09:11:15 PM

MRX67, what school do your kids go to?? by ilikekiddiepwn	Dec 16th, 2007 09:15:40 PM
Just curious.........
Those complaining about Begins... by BLEST	Dec 16th, 2007 09:26:27 PM
are welcome to their opinions, but I can't see how they arrived at them. Begins was made by the director of Momento and The Prestige. It starred the actor from Equilibrium and American Psycho, surrounded by the BEST cast in any comic/superhero film...PERIOD. And all involved did their finest work to make the most realistic, awesome, dark, serious version of Batman seen yet. It may not be without plotholes or snags, but it's clearly the BEST version we've had to date.
MRX67 by J-Dizzle	Dec 16th, 2007 09:29:31 PM
"My kids are going to want to see this movie because it has Batman in it. As a father I have to tell them no. Then I have to explain why they have to go see Enchanted instead? My ratings as a father will drop worse than our current President." And why is that everybody else's problem? If you're not allowing your kids to see a movie that you don't feel they're old enough to see yet then.... good for you! You're doing your job as a parent. You're kids aren't supposed to love you because you're their friend let's them do everything they want, they love you because your their (gasp!) Dad! Just don't go telling everyone else what movies they're allowed to see or make and we should have a happier society. Merry Christmas to you and you're family.
MRX67 has a good point by Sudynim	Dec 16th, 2007 09:32:35 PM
Watching this first 5 min. clip or whatever, I definitely got excited at the fast pace suspense...and sorta...realism of what would only be seen in a comic. But is it kinda more violent than we expect from this genre? I don't think so, not necessarilly. Besides, if it's rated PG-13 then "Parental Guidance" is required for anyone underneath anyhow.
MRX by GreenGeezer	Dec 16th, 2007 09:46:37 PM
Baiting the masses again? No lions here my friend. Only bats and cards.
"Why so sexually frustrated?" by Fat and Curious	Dec 16th, 2007 10:07:32 PM
Answer: All of the above
MRX67 by CMBat	Dec 16th, 2007 10:08:14 PM
I have kids. I'm so sick of the world being about just kids. It isn't. If you truly did read the old, original Batman comics, they were DARK. He was called the Dark Knight, for Christ's Sake. It wasn't the Adam West TV show. This is exactly what Batman is supposed to be, and if you don't think it is appropriate for your kids, then tell them so and don't let them watch. That's part of being a parent. It doesn't make you right. Kids aren't violent because of video games or movies. If you read the profiles of the kids that have been involved in school shootings, it's a pretty simple profile, and almost the same in all cases...absent parents who don't spend time with their kids and pay attention to them. Kids need attention. Take em to the damn movie and talk to them about it, and your kids will turn out fine. Man, I'm so SICK of the BS from all the whackos that think we can create some perfect world just for kids. That world doesn't exist, and you're missing what causes the problems anyway.
The perfect world you speak of by Fat and Curious	Dec 16th, 2007 10:12:13 PM
A perfect world is a world where grown men don't post nerd fodder on movie message boards. And sadly, as long as people like CMBat keep cloaking their young ones in Green Lantern underoos, that perfect world will never exist.
people by Zozma	Dec 16th, 2007 10:37:07 PM
mrx67 simply propogates bullshit. dont pay him mind. he was on for days about how cloverfield was certain to have voltron.
If I may presume to draw a dated analogy... by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 10:41:12 PM
The new batman is like Cherry Pie. And you haters are like the dad sayin' "ya ain't gonna swing with my daughter no mo'" But, it's still gonna happen.
MRX67 by CountZero	Dec 16th, 2007 10:58:53 PM
First of all, ignore the douches in this TB. I understand your problem, but I think you have to stop thinking in such black and white terms. You're a guy who clearly has an interest in this movie (that's why you're here talking about it) but you feel like it's not appropriate for your kids. Your kids want to see it because it's Batman. Fair enough. Explain to your kids that they can see it when they're a bit older, and placate them by treating them to something Batman-related that is age-appropriate - like a dvd of the animated series. Take them to see a different movie that they will enjoy. Take them to another activity. Get them some Batman comic books and read it with them. Play a game with them. Something. There's no need for you to be a bad father in their eyes, you just need to think it through a little...
First of all..... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 11:08:15 PM
I kept this board alive for a few weeks with my rants. I also promoted the film for which I never received credit from the powers-that-be. On this issue, however, I'm dead serious. Batman should be for kids....or perhaps that may be an issue on this talkboard.
No sure what everyone complains about... by WEBmonkey	Dec 16th, 2007 11:12:11 PM
But I'm damn sure glad to see a serious comic book movie. Blast me all you want, but I go to movies to escape reality and enjoy myself. Some of you haters should start. If you don't like how it looks, move on and let us fans have a chance to be happy for a product we've been longing for.
Count... by MRX67	Dec 16th, 2007 11:14:18 PM
I loved the eighties Batman because it was a movie I could watch with my kids. Yea they began to suck after the first one but still it was kid friendly (of sorts). These guys want a Joker that kills with no reason. Heck, some of them don't even want Joker to die in the end. It needs to be said again: Let's change the name of the villian to The Bin Laden that way we can relate to the insanity and violence.
At one time, batman was for kids. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 16th, 2007 11:17:51 PM
Now batman is for hard muthafuckas. Bring the ruckus.
Kids can have... by Kenny8	Dec 16th, 2007 11:42:22 PM
..comics, the animated TV series, direct to DVD features and Batman in the Justice League. This looks like Batman for adults. Watch it with them when they grow up.
MRX67 by jerseycajun	Dec 16th, 2007 11:43:54 PM
The big question is: Why should Batman only be for kids? It's not like the subject matter can't handle stuff a little more weighty and interesting to an adult audience. Certainly stories that involve crime on some level have an adult appeal to them as well. There is no logical reason Batman can't be aimed at an older age bracket, and in the end, it's not yours or my decision to make. It's being made that way whether you like it or not. Balk at it all you like, it's not going to stop the movie from being released except to your tailored expectations.
What the fuck is Voltron? by Fat and Curious	Dec 17th, 2007 12:09:47 AM
Seriously.
Voltron is in Cloverfield by Lt. Kaffee	Dec 17th, 2007 01:21:03 AM
but seriously, this looks freakin awesome now... and i wasn't hat big a fan of batman begins
Industrykiller! is the biggest film geek/loser by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 01:35:34 AM
next to Jeremy Smith from Chud. The guy is the most pathetic attempt at life that I actually feel sorry for him. he likes nothing and just scream 'loser'. You fail at life more than equates to that guy. Some shit he says is hilarious.
MRX67 I feel sorry for your kids by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 01:37:06 AM
they will probably turn out to be dumb fucks because of such a dumb fuck father.
Batman Begins... by That 70s Venom	Dec 17th, 2007 01:40:04 AM
... there were things that I liked and things that I didn't like about Batman Begins, just like there were things that I liked and things that I didn't like about Burton's films. One of the annoying things about Batman Begins was that redundant musical score that pulsed along throughout the entire movie. You know, having that musical score would've been nice, but in moderation. Is there even a single scene in the whole movie where you don't have riveting action music playing in the background? Hell, you can even hear it right at the beginning when Bruce is playing with Rachel as a child. I'd rather watch the movie with the volume muted and subtitles on. Nolan seriously needs to cut a Director's version of the film and tone down the fucking tedious music.
That 70s Venom by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 03:30:53 AM
wrong. that score is brilliant. maybe you should see it a few more times. completely brilliant music. alot of musicians agree too. obviously you have only seen it once, there is a lot of non action music playing throughout the film, the most notable being the Ra's Al Ghul middle eastern film which is incredibly powerful. This is Mogwai amazing. isis amazing music. actually better than isis.
Messi, I love you too by IndustryKiller!	Dec 17th, 2007 04:57:18 AM
Seriously man, I really really love you. Even if you insult people you've never met and know nothing about without a shred of an argument behind it. God bless my brother.
shred of an argument? by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 05:37:40 AM
you mean your posts don't speak for themselves. ie saying 'spidey 3 was as bad as batman and robin' and all your other posts. plus i've read people talking shit about you on other websites. "it's like that guy industrykiller from aicn"
Batman Begins musical choice. by Dokkalvar	Dec 17th, 2007 08:02:12 AM
Well I usually don't get high and watch movies, so the steady pulsating musical score wasn't a problem for me.. if fact I kind of like it.. sort of reminded me of John Carpenter's movies.. Also it's basically a stripped down version of Elfman's score. It kept the theme but lost the silly embellishments.
I couldn't resist watching it... by just pillow talk	Dec 17th, 2007 08:17:30 AM
sigh...I can't wait for this movie.
Stone 'em anyway by Sigmar25	Dec 17th, 2007 08:22:50 AM
Read the first Joker comics - 60 years ago he was the same bastard that he is now. If you want to hide your kids in the dark then just take out their eyes ;)
Comics Code.... by ilikekiddiepwn	Dec 17th, 2007 08:28:44 AM
is a self-imposed rating system. Nothing says Batman HAS to be kid friendly. Batman is a cultural icon (much like Christmas, Santa, etc) and is therefore free to different artistic interpretations. If you don't want your kids watching a dark Batman then go watch Shanghai Noon with them again.
Why rip? by Subculture	Dec 17th, 2007 08:48:40 AM
Why do so many people download things that rip the flv when you could simply get the tmp file from the cache, and rename it to flv? I mean, it's a piece of piss.
I feel for MRX67... by Mistahtibbs	Dec 17th, 2007 09:05:54 AM
My 3 kids, 6, 9 & 11 love to watch the kids movies and I even took my 11 yo to see Transformers and found the horny Shia bit with the hottie and the parents mentioning masturbation to be unnecessary for a movie that kids will be watching. Having said that I'm looking forward to watching a whole slew of flicks with my kids when they're old enough where we can have a conversation, if necessary, and where their world-view is a little more firmly entrenched (yeah, I'm a Xtian)...if that makes sense. They want to see the Harry Potter movies, LOTR, those sorts of films and we'll watch them as they get older. I'm a parent I have responsiblities. I'd LOVE to watch Nolan's Batman with my oldest but it's just too intense at this time. Mind you MY parents took me to see JAWS when I was 9 and the one-eyed head in the hole in the boat scared the bejeezus out of me and yet it's one of my favourite films. So. TDK? I am THERE! Just not with my kids. That's in the future.
Batman by grendel69	Dec 17th, 2007 09:19:22 AM
I remember reading Batman comics in the 70s as a wee little kid that were scary. The Joker killed people. Batman went up against guys with axes and knives. Some of those 70s and even early 80s books bordered on horror. Although Fran Miller is often given credit as making Batman more serious, I think that bullshit. Look at the issues Adams and especially the Gene Colan era. Theres a axe wielding maniac on every cover. As for violent movies,I was watching violent movies at a very early age and Im not disfunctional or have emotional problems. As long as your kid understands that what hes seeing isnt real, it shouldnt be a problem. Not sure how old your kid is MX, but Batman will be PG13. Hell I was watching Halloween,Apocalypse Now,Dirty Harry,Death Wish, The Warriors, etc and dozens of violent kung fu flicks all before the age of 10. BTW, the trailer and preview kick ass.Cant wait for June
Overprotecting kids nowadays by grendel69	Dec 17th, 2007 09:27:02 AM
I also think its funny how people who grew up in a real age of freedom are so overprotective and restrictive nowadays. How many parents here that dont want there kids to see R or even PG13 movies used to go into R movies WITHOUT a adult back in the 70s or 80s? Back when theaters didnt enforce the age restrictions of the ratings system.And Im wrong, remembering where I lived at the time, I must have first seen Dirty Harry and Enter The Dragon when I was 7 or 8 years old not even 10. Your kids are going to see this stuff anyways, with or without you - wouldnt you prefer if they saw it with you and then you can talk with them about it afterwards?
Yackbacker by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 09:35:06 AM
unfortunately Batman has more adult fans than kids. They may say yeah batman is cool and play ith their toys, but it's the adults who watch the movies and buy the comics. They had their childish batmans, let us have our Comics version now. Plus the comics code authority is such bullshit, they have no power whatsoever and are there for no reason, they can put the stamp that is barely visible on the cover so the standard comics reader who is over 18 can open it up to find batman at a crime scene with dismembered bodies everywhere.
Mistahtibbs by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 09:39:09 AM
why should transformers change it just because kids are going to see it, when the major demographic is adult who grew up with the show. they are the ones that made transformers a blockbuster.
Pansy parents by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 09:42:48 AM
By the time I was 4 I had Robocop, Predator and Commando constantly in rotation in my VCR. By 7 it was Terminator 2, Terminator 1, Enter the Dragon. Between then it was every 80's martial arts movie you could think of kickboxer, kickboxer 2, the american ninja series, double impact, all the van damme movies. Tell your kids it's not real and raise them with a sense of compassion and nobility and common sense and things will turn alright.
MRX67 you fuck by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 09:47:18 AM
"They want a joker that kills people for no reason". THE JOKER DOES KILL PEOPLE FOR NO REASON! Too fucking bad. If you wanted Batman to stay or kids, maybe you can go back in time and incite kids in the 80's to buy comics, because they stopped and the age bracket grew and it's the reason Batman matured along with it's readers. You got your kid versions batman forever and batman and robin. Enjoy them. I want my hardcore crim movie involving a badass vigilante chasing a psychopathic serial killer. Pansy.
phoenixmagi by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 09:58:54 AM
that's what made Begins so memorable for me. that bats was fighting a personal fight. that he fought Ra's who represented a direction he could have taken. The fact that Ra's is the most dangerous and powerful villain i've pretty much ever seen(not counting those with superpowers) but it's his mind, the fact that he is unstoppable and doesn't care, that he will kill you to do what he thinks is right and doesn't care if he dies in the process. that scene where he reveals himself to bruce and everything he says, i mean he's destroying a city, that is one of my favourite scenes ever. not just the way it was filmed and the music, but the dialogue, the acting. just amazing.
Fat and Curious by messi	Dec 17th, 2007 10:00:41 AM
what the fuck is wrong with dressing your kids in green lantern underroos? green lantern is something inspirational to look up to. plus have you read sinestro corps war? that shit was brutal. i doubt you can say grow up to someone and making it seem like green lantern is a childish thing. Sinestro Corps War was fucking brutal.
I know I'm late and all... by dauphin534	Dec 17th, 2007 10:21:31 AM
but did folks really think the WB was gonna ask AICN to pull footage of their COMMERCIAL? It's free advertising! WHy would they want less people to see it?
Yeah the "do it for the kids" argument doesn't fly by IndustryKiller!	Dec 17th, 2007 10:37:26 AM
If this guys 11 year old can't watch Batman Begins, a tame movie by any capacity when it comes to violence, then that is his kid's problem. I was watching far more brutal films than that when I was his age. I think we can all agree that much of pop culture these days is too watered down and the American public only gets more base in their tastes as time goes on, part of that problem is our ridiculous gladhanding of kids. When I was growing up they had films like Labyrinth and Legend, not to mention films by Jim Cameron and Ridley Scott or other sci fi/fantasy films in which parents of the day were far more apt to let their kids watch than today. Hell they even sold realistic guns in toy stores (oh my!). We need to stop raising our kids on banal tripe, kids like to be scared a little, I know I did. And if they don't understand it, maybe it'll make them think for themselves a bit, and that isn't a bad thing. Hell maybe they'll grow up with some taste and a personality. The kids today who are shooting up schools are the ones who just missed the violent films of the 80's and realistic toy guns. Violence has nothing to do with pop culture and if you blame movies and music for violence then you are taking the blame off the real problem, yourself as a parent.
The point Yackbacker is you don't HAVE to say no by IndustryKiller!	Dec 17th, 2007 10:42:32 AM
Take your kids to something a little more advanced. If you are on the fence, see the movie without them first and then decide. A Batman movie is not comparable to the entirety of the internet. Movies certainly haven't gotten more violent, with the exception of the occasional Hostel film. Hardcore porn and real life death and violence on the internet is much different than any incarnation of The Joker, no matter how dark he may seem. And just to put a prologue on that last post, I don't think Labyrinth and Legend are all that violent, but if they were released today parents would bitch about the scary images, which their kids would undoubtedly still love and not turned into a deranged killer from seeing.
Obviously inpired by Mann, has FEEL of "HEAT" by JDanielP	Dec 17th, 2007 11:00:05 AM
The people whom are comparing this opening to Michael Mann's style...and Mann's "HEAT"...aren't alone. I immediately had that impression upon watching this. And I absolutely LOVE that about it! And THIS is exactly what gets me fired up for "THE DARK KNIGHT", while not nearly as much upon seeing the full-length trailer. Don't get me wrong, as the trailer makes the flick look interesting enough. It's just that I feel that...while only judging from "BATMAN BEGINS" and what little we've seen of "THE DARK KNIGHT", there's a lack of focus on certain elements of Batman, mostly from a visual perspective. Yet, this sequel may give our title character more depth. (And that would be a good thing.) But there continues to be that artist in me that wants that visual pop, even while maintaining Nolan's more lifelike take. Batman's suit should be a knock-out of coolness,...while true to the basic/iconic image we know, and yet still be functional. (For the life of me, I don't understand the problem in design, despite the obvious challenges.) I really do love this opening....while I crave much more from our title character. (And by the way, those whom want to dissect this opening with film school reasoning, dismissing a connection to the work of Michael Mann, are getting it all wrong. This is about how it FEELS more than anything else. And in my book, you're not seeing the forest because of the trees. And I'd compare how a movie FEELS to the forest, while the techniques used are the trees, if you get my meaning.)
On the subject of 'dark'. by Mr Gorilla	Dec 17th, 2007 11:42:41 AM
If a film is 'dark' that doesn't necessarily mean it's good. Nuff said.
Parents: Just Say No by AssWhole	Dec 17th, 2007 11:56:41 AM
I have two kids, 6 and 4. My oldest boy (then 4) wanted to see Batman Begins but I told him no. I had seen a midnight show of Begins and saw some idiot parents laughing at their 4 year old shake and cry and scream when the Scarecrow pulled out his hallucinating shit. (The kid was covering his eyes, but his dad gleefully pulled his hands away, whispering, "Oh come on, watch, watch.") I was mortified. So yes, I was strong enough to be my son's bad guy and say no to his repeated requests. This argument about Batman being for kids is bullshit. Does that mean I should assume Will Ferrell in the "Land of the Lost" film version will be kid friendly just because the show I grew up with was? And who would be to blame if I haul my kids to said movie and my little ones witness Will mounting a female Sleestak from behind and grinding away? Being a parent sucks sometimes because you have to say no; with that territory may come tantrums, crying, etc. My kids want to see the Scooby Doo movies; I say no because I also don't want their brains to rot. You pick your battles. Be the parent and stop blaming the filmmakers for their adult treatment on your beloved nostalgic characters. In other words, grow up.
Parents: Addendum by AssWhole	Dec 17th, 2007 12:09:54 PM
Oh, and just because a company makes a movie tie-in toy doesn't necessarily mean that you, as a parent, have to buy that hunk of plastic. Nor does it mean that you have to force your kid to watch the movie if you have indeed purchased that movie tie-in action figure. I don't blame the companies for trying to make a buck. But I'd blame myself if I succumbed because I felt like I HAD to get that movie ticket or tie-in toy because my kiddo was inundated with commercials. Find the spine, parents.
MRX67 by matalo	Dec 17th, 2007 12:24:36 PM
Chief, I hate to flame, but "innocent" statements like what you make are what is wrong with this country.... Placing blame on everything and everyone else..... Do you have kids yourself?
kudos azzwhole by tha plow	Dec 17th, 2007 01:15:38 PM
i agree with you totally. it annoys me the shiz that parents expose their kids to. i'm not all self righteous or anything, but c'mon. taking your 10 year old to see saw iv. really? what is wrong with this world?
dauphin534... by 7pointedstar	Dec 17th, 2007 02:35:38 PM
Obviously, they did - since it's been pulled from YouTube. The reason why? Simple. WB also owns and stands to make money on I Am Legend, the movie which this clip is EXCLUSIVELY attached to. It helps to generate interest in I Am Legend, which, in turn, puts more money into the pockets of Warner Brothers (and their sister Dot). Marketing, my friend.
THE HILLS HAVE EYES opening day...Parents take pre-teen daughter by T 1000 xp professional	Dec 17th, 2007 02:49:51 PM
Crap i just remembered this horrible instance. When the movie came out this girl toddler was watching The hills have eyes sitting right next to me ..Every now and then after the not so bright parents slowly registered a strong scene(rape scene, dad burning at the stake) they would give a delayed reaction 5 minutes later covering the child's eyes, sometimes they wouldn't even do anything and be in shock themselves.( a funny/stupifying instance was the mom getting freaked out then jumping to her right hugging her also scared husband while turning her head away from the screen. Her daughter was to her left by the way). During all of this you can tell the kid was in shock with her eyes wide open not having a single clue whats going on the screen...Wow... those retards were bugging me so much that I ran out of the dirty guilt inducing looks and I arrived at the point of the burden being placed on me of actually telling this parentally impaired couple something. Telling a parent what to do with their kids is not an easy or tactful thing, so I was kind of dreading this. I leaned over and respectfully(the most I could) and humbily told the mom if she really thought her daughter should be here. She gave me this blank ashamed stare and nodded told her husband and left the theatre with the kid..... just decided to share that with you guys, and i'm also sure it bugs a bunch of you when you hear a young kid cry in some crazy R movie. "What the hell, a kid's in here?!"
YIKES, T 1000 xp professional by Sudynim	Dec 17th, 2007 06:09:28 PM
Hee hee hee, that was a pretty funny/terrible story. Common sense doesn't seem to be all that common anymore.
Why... by MRX67	Dec 17th, 2007 09:09:49 PM
Can't people debate on a subject without it turning into name calling. Man, if I was the same guy from this summer I would rip into you messi but I will leave it alone because it's pointless.
Wait... by TheRealMoriarty	Dec 17th, 2007 10:13:44 PM
... this was BATMAN footage? I'm shocked! I thought it was some old bodybuilder dude. I never would have posted BATMAN footage. I'm really sorry about that, fellas.
Man, the whole kid thing ... by Dr.Poots	Dec 18th, 2007 02:58:54 AM
The problem with ratings on TV, film and music these days is that the people who enforce them fail to realize that you can't enforce responsibility. How anyone could think to bring a small child to The Hills Have Eyes is beyond reason. We're not talking Batman here; heck, we're not even talking Jaws. Hills is non-stop heavy stuff, from what I've been lead to believe. That some jackasses decided that a night of leisure was more important than properly caring for their daughter is evidence of the flaws of the ratings systems of all media.

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