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But more importantly...
by photoboy
Dec 15th, 2007
04:55:55 PM
Tate has said this will be her only season, so at least we don't have to suffer her for very long.
How many regenerations will that be?
by Vortex3500
Dec 15th, 2007
05:00:12 PM
The good Doctor has to be running out soon, right?

by wuher da brewer
Dec 15th, 2007
05:01:22 PM
Rose Tyler is coming back for a 3 episode story arc this season.
Regeneration Station
by GuyGardner
Dec 15th, 2007
05:02:33 PM
A time lord can regenerate 12 times, thus meaning there can be 13 "Doctors". Tenant is the 10th Doctor, so, there can be three more.
So, if he leaves, why have the specials "season?"
by Logo Lou
Dec 15th, 2007
05:07:21 PM
I thought the whole point was to give him time to do theatre. If he's leaving why not just move into the next season with the new guy... or gal.
Well duh...
by clockerz
Dec 15th, 2007
05:15:02 PM
It's not exactly new news. The biggest question should be, why bring back Tate at all? She brought nothing to the show and her part was basically lifted from her "comedy" show. Still, at least I get to letch at the lovely Piper once again!
Shall we try for three?
by Almega
Dec 15th, 2007
05:21:52 PM
Since the return of the Doctor, we've had an actor do one season, the next do two seasons, shall we find an actor that will hold on for a whole three? We're running out of regenerations!
Regens
by clockerz
Dec 15th, 2007
05:28:14 PM
They'll probably rewrite the rules and have more, just like they did with the Tardis and its cloaking device..
I get all my news from Catherine Tate
by tonagan
Dec 15th, 2007
05:32:39 PM
and she usually delivers it shouting and sneering.
Tennant will have done three seasons
by Sil
Dec 15th, 2007
05:45:01 PM
Almega - Eccleston did Series 1, Tennant did 2 and 3, and is currently filming 4. The BBC have also confirmed that he'll appear in three specials in 2009, which Tate backed up in her interview today (the BBC News article conveniently ignores this). Even if he does leave after the specials, he's still the longest-serving Doctor since Tom Baker.
Tardis cloak
by jbs0209
Dec 15th, 2007
05:47:27 PM
I haven't watched more than 1 or 2 of the new series but ...

In the old show the Tardis was able to automatically take the form of something that would fit in with its surroundings. So, go to 1800s American Plains, the Tardis turns into a TeePee. Go to 1960s London it turns into a police box.

And way back in episode #1 with Dr. #1 the Tardis broke. It got stuck as a police box.

In the Tom Baker era and a few times after that, they would try to fix the various broken bits of the Tardis. So, that is probaly what your remembering, Baker getting the Tardis's cloak to work for a little while.

Now what they changed the rules to in the new show, I have no idea. But would like enlightenment.

Cloak
by clockerz
Dec 15th, 2007
06:03:46 PM
In one of the newer eps, the Doctor says that he can change the look of the Tardis but has become attached to the police box style..
sil
by aestheticity
Dec 15th, 2007
06:04:04 PM
is that longest in years on the show or longest in number of seasons? it doesnt feel like long to me. i never really liked him anyway.
Fuck Tennant, when is Russell T. Davies leaving?
by punto
Dec 15th, 2007
06:45:15 PM
they need to get a real writer to head the shows. That guy has great ideas, which all become 40 minutes of exposition.
And she would know . . . how?
by mascan42
Dec 15th, 2007
07:01:52 PM
Tennant is already signed for the three 2009 specials, so there's proof that she's talking out her ass. After that, it's anyone's guess.
the Chameleon Circuit
by INWOsuxRED
Dec 15th, 2007
08:07:49 PM
is what would make the TARDIS blend in with the environment if it wasn't broken. It seems that when the Doctor attempted to fix it, the TARDIS changed, but it didn't wind up actually blending in, and eventually it went back to the police box.
I also thought the specials
by INWOsuxRED
Dec 15th, 2007
08:12:28 PM
were in place to hold Tennant over, and theoretically to give some time to transition from RTD to someone else. I'm not sure I'd buy anything Tate says though. It could also be a ploy by Tennant's people to get him more money.
yeah probably not
by lvcannon
Dec 15th, 2007
08:12:51 PM
i seem to remember an interview with tennant where he said he'd keep doing who as long as they let him i mean that could change at all but i dont think the interview was all that long ago
Hope this isn't true.
by Kurutteru Yatsu
Dec 15th, 2007
08:19:45 PM
Only just started watching Who this year when I borrowed series 2 on DVD, skipped back to Eccleston for series 1 and just downloaded and watched series 3 last month. David Tennant is doing an excellent job in my opinion and I'd really like to see him stick around. Oh and Orcus, to answer your question yes, the TV movie Doctor is canon.
About the Specials...................
by axcel1
Dec 15th, 2007
09:01:05 PM
When i first heard about them, it was to give David Tennent time to do other things so he would come back for another season(series)and it was going to be 6 specials(including the xmas special), when did it cut to 3?
don't miss this
by catlettuce4
Dec 15th, 2007
09:06:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =22-J4rm7trc
bring Eccleston back!!
by chromedome
Dec 15th, 2007
09:27:43 PM
best ever
Chameleon circuit was tinkered with by 6th Doctor
by jeffv
Dec 15th, 2007
09:36:40 PM
Colin Baker's Doctor was the one that was trying to get the Chameleon Circuit working again, except that instead of the TARDIS blending in, it would just change into absurd shapes. I recall one where I believe it turned into a pipe organ in the middle of the cargo hold of a space ship, and they had some trouble finding the door. (I'm a little disappointed that the new TARDIS interior has police box markings inside. That's just supposed to be the camoflauge on the exterior, not a physical connection to the interior.) The Master's TARDIS *did* have a functioning Chameleon circuit, and you saw it in operation during the Tom Baker era (Logopolis, I think?). The thing would materialise in its previous camoflauge, and, then, after a few seconds in its new surroundings, change to blend in.
No Timelords...
by Kenny8
Dec 15th, 2007
09:37:24 PM
...so no set limit on the amount of regenerations. That's my take on it. Besides the Master has survived long after his supposed "final" regeneration.
And, about the 13 lives...
by jeffv
Dec 15th, 2007
09:39:30 PM
If they were to respect continuity, the Doctor is supposed to split in two during his 12th regeneration, something like that transporter accident that split Kirk in two in Star Trek: TOS. The evil half called himself the Valeyard and tried to steal the Doctor's remaining generations (he had six at the time) in order to extend his own life.
I always liked the idea of "degeneration"...
by tonagan
Dec 15th, 2007
09:40:31 PM
Somehow changing the doctor to one of the previous actors. Good way to bring Eccleston back, or anyone else for that matter, like Paul McGann, damn it.
@Kenny8
by jeffv
Dec 15th, 2007
09:41:40 PM
Yeah, that's a point, they didn't explain why the Master could regenerate. He'd been stealing lives in unconventional ways (for a Timelord) ever since he was first introduced, since he'd already used up all the regenerations. He took over the body of Nyssa's father in Keeper of Traken, he took over the body of an ambulance worker in the Paul McGann special, ...
Tom Bodet, the one trick pony....
by Kenny8
Dec 15th, 2007
09:42:10 PM
Man, that ancient Dalek vs stairs gag never gets old. It's still as funny now as the first time you posted it. The repetition and predictability of seeing it on every Doctor Who talkback here makes you a comic genius. I wonder why professional stand up performers just don't rely on one joke for their entire career?
@Jeffv
by Kenny8
Dec 15th, 2007
09:47:40 PM
Yeah, the Doctor has even broken some rules that he couldn't before (Father's Day) because of the Timelords being extinct. He also seems a lot more attracted to young Earth females than he used to!
Why doesn't the 12th and final regenerated Doctor
by kabong
Dec 15th, 2007
09:55:32 PM
come back in time and visit? Why aren't all the Doctor Who stories about the 12th Doctor?

Anyway, regarding actors and rumors: actors are professional ingratiators; they live to make you like them, so they will say anything in interviews if they think it's what you want to hear.

Maybe the specials will be spin-offs??
by Barrymore
Dec 15th, 2007
10:02:09 PM
Will the 2009 specials be Tennant-lite stories along the lines of Dalek Empire, The Adventures of UNIT, The Time War, Ace and the Temple of Doom, and/or...The Ten Doctors????
possibly means yes.
by ironic_name
Dec 15th, 2007
10:06:37 PM
The great Paul McGann.....
by Kenny8
Dec 15th, 2007
10:13:25 PM
...as the 8th Doctor in the crappy TV movie does count.
Don't forget it already been established...
by Kenny8
Dec 15th, 2007
10:19:54 PM
..in the old series that the limit on regenerations could be circumvented. In the "Five Doctors" The Timelords offered the Master the ability to regenerate again ("a whole new life cycle") if he would rescue the Doctor.
One season with Tate will do that to a man...
by Lenny8
Dec 15th, 2007
10:22:34 PM
... and Kylie ain't helping either.
They F@cked up in NOT telling the Time War Story
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Dec 15th, 2007
10:52:34 PM
For the cheap thrill of having a brooding Doctor, the producers put perhaps the greatest event for the main character as a background story. Just imagine how amazing it would be to see the Doctor destroy Galifry...?
RTD Needs to Go
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Dec 15th, 2007
10:53:23 PM
....Now!
Do a Time war special with McGann
by vadakinX
Dec 15th, 2007
11:00:50 PM
I'd love to see that. Bring McGann back and do a special about the Time War and show that whatever the Doctor does to end the war, destroying both the Timelords and the Daleks caused him to regenerate, with Eccleston making a cameo appearance at the end, thus tying everything together.
thanks Kenny8 - you beat me to it
by Maniaq
Dec 15th, 2007
11:19:35 PM
The Master was offered another cycle of regenerations (for some reason I always thought it was 10) for services rendered in The Five Doctors, so he should be around long after any other timelord, including the good Doctor...

I remember hearing the name Valeyard before but never quite knew who that was - so he's a bearded Mirror Mirror Doctor is he? Can anyone enlighten me?
I actually have a story for the Time war....
by vadakinX
Dec 15th, 2007
11:31:04 PM
Came up with it a while back, was gonna submit it to BBC but thought it was too crap.

Basically, the time War started because the Daleks wanted to rewrite history and become the dominent species in the universe so they began searching for an ancient Timelord device called the Temporal Displacement Generator that would wipe anything it was used on from existence. They began searching through Time and space for the device in secret and it also transpires that the real reason the daleks wanted the timelords to deliver the Master to them in the TV Movie was so they could probe his mind to see if he knew where the device could be found.

Eventually, the Doctor discovered the dalek plan and went to the Timelords, hoping they would put a stop to the Daleks search but the Timelords refused to get involved. It wasn't until the Daleks destroyed Arcadia (the Fall of Arcadia), which the Doctor tried and failed to stop, that the Time Lords decided to act. So the war began, through time and space TimeLords and daleks battled, as the Daleks searched the universe for the device. They found it on Earth in the 85th Century AD and took it to Skaro where they armed the device...it would change history across the entire universe, leaving Skaro and the Daleks alone as the only sentient species.

In a last, desperate move, the Doctor went to Skaro and battled his way to the location of the Temporal Displacement Generator, but he was too late...once the device was activated, it was impossible to stop and history began changing across the universe.

And so the Doctor realised that the only way to prevent it from changing the entire universe was to connect it to the tardis and use the power of the Time Vortex to localise the effects of the device to Gallifrey, where the device was created. The Doctor knew that if gallifrey was wiped from existence, the device would never exist and a built-in paradox supressor would prevent a never-ending loop...But if Gallifrey had to be sacrificed, then the Doctor would make sure that Skaro went with it, so he managed to set the device to affect those planets only...and so the time war was ended...and the Doctor...his proximity to the Time Vortex had protected him from being wiped from existence, though it did cause him to regenerate.

And that's essentially what i would have done had i been given the chance...except it would be revealed that gallifrey and Skaro hadn't been destroyed...instead they were sent back in time...to before time itself..before the beginning of the universe, frozen, forever....which would allow for a return of the Timelords and Daleks of gallifrey and Skaro respectively, in a future series.

Patrick Stewart for the next Doctor!
by Demode
Dec 15th, 2007
11:55:56 PM
How amazing would that be? In all of the older series, the Doctors were all around Patrick's age. I think he would be a great fit. He has also expressed an interest in being in the show.
The current rumor about the 2009 specials
by SpyGuy
Dec 16th, 2007
12:19:22 AM
If you buy into the rumors, these 2009 specials will focus on the Time War somehow and will include Paul McGann's involvement. What's up for speculation is, will these be "untold" Eighth Doctor stories or will they feature the Tenth Doctor with occasional flashbacks to McGann and the Time War?

Personally, I'd prefer to see the specials as full-fledged Eighth Doctor episodes, if only to give McGann more screen time and to boost his story count beyond the 1996 TV movie and the Big Finish audio adventures. The big question, though, would obviously be...would Christopher Eccleston return for a regeneration scene into the Ninth Doctor? Here's hoping...

does the X-Mas 2007 special get shown in the U.S.?
by Zardoz
Dec 16th, 2007
12:56:51 AM
Just finished watching Season 3. (or the 29th!) Really, really good. I especially liked the episode "Blink". And the three-part story at the finale. ("Last of the Time Lords".) Very nice. Is the new show premiering this X-Mas day in Britain? Does it repeat in the States? Or will it play on the internet? "The Voyage of the Damned". Cool...
Just watched BSG S3E04 again
by jbs0209
Dec 16th, 2007
01:18:58 AM
I just finished watching BSG s3e04 again.

God what a disappointment this show is.

How can such individually fantastic elements (acting, sets, concept) be put together is such an unfulfilling way? The whole show is just massive potential unrealized.

I feel like Charlie Brown with the football.

Regenerations
by Stuart-Renton
Dec 16th, 2007
01:22:00 AM
Actually, this whole stupid 12 regenerations thing is entirely dumb. There's enough evidence in the show to say there's an unlimited number as there is for the stupid 12 limit. Now the Time Lords are gone, the Doctor could regenerate indefinitely. Of course, he won't, the writers will pander to the fans - who will demand a reason for additional regenerations. But when I quiz Who fans on this topic, they simply bluster. It seems fans are adamant on this stupid issue - to the point that they'd see the show end because of it. But the 12 regenerations was added by a crummy writer in the '80s for some weird kind of crummy impact and should go back to the cess pit where it belongs.
Piper
by optimus122
Dec 16th, 2007
01:46:30 AM
http://www.radiotimes.com/show s/the-secret-diary-of-a-call-g irl/main.jpg
As long as Tate dies horribly
by alpha
Dec 16th, 2007
02:02:45 AM
I'll be happy
What, another rumour?
by MarkPhantom
Dec 16th, 2007
02:13:22 AM
The whole 'David Tennant is leaving' thing turns up courtesy of some news story somewhere all the time. He'll leave when he'll leave. Maybe a few series or so, or maybe in the middle of a fifth one, who knows? He seems to enjoy, and as long as he does, we will.
David Tennant quitting
by flashshirt
Dec 16th, 2007
02:20:17 AM
It would seem that several things are on the go here. Firstly, there was never talk of six specials only three plus a christmas special. Secondly, the idea was that David Tennant could then do some Shakespeare and the BBC hoped he would then do another series as the Doctor although it wasn't definite. Thirdly, another story says that the actor who played The Master in the last series had been approached to play the Doctor. We also know that Catherine Tate was only signed up for one series, Freema Agyeman is going to appear in Torchwood and Doctor Who and Billie Piper is coming back for a few episodes. Russell T Davies is also moving on to pastures new but with the excellent range of writers and directors used for the series I don't think we need to worry.
answered my own question...
by Zardoz
Dec 16th, 2007
02:23:08 AM
Yes, this year's X-Mas special is just 11 days away! And Kylie Minogue's the companion! Cool! I guess I'll have to wait a year to see it, though...(wah, wah, waaah!)
actually Patrick Stewart could potentially make an EXCELLENT Doc
by Maniaq
Dec 16th, 2007
05:26:07 AM
*potentially*
Show needs to not be so Earth bound.
by Dingbatty
Dec 16th, 2007
05:41:12 AM
I want to see more planets and their histories.
Earth bound adventures aren't as expensive
by Yeti
Dec 16th, 2007
06:05:53 AM
to produce as alien ones. It's also the reason they use the same sets "New Earth" "Girdlock". Must stay within budget!
there is a british actor in talks
by emeraldboy
Dec 16th, 2007
07:35:38 AM
or there was to replace tennant. I read on teletext a couple of weeks a go and think it might be Derek jacobi. but I cant be sure.
John Lydon as the new doctor!!!!
by Ben_Gazzara
Dec 16th, 2007
07:38:10 AM
I heard some jackass on another site bring up Lydon before Eccleston got the job. He even photoshopped him into a couple of Dr.Who novel covers. I think it's a great idea.
FUCKING STOP!!!!!
by R L S
Dec 16th, 2007
08:43:48 AM
For the love of God, please stop this dual numbering of the seasons! It doesn't depend on how you count it, it's the fourth season, not the 30th! It's the fifth, not the 31st! Just fucking stop it!!!!
Rumors...
by ckane123
Dec 16th, 2007
09:33:55 AM
Posted some of this in the last Who talkback, but what I have heard from a couple of sources is McGann will be in Series 4 in flashback (this is going to be the "give the lead actors a break" episode) and the Time War is covered at length in the last four episodes of the series, featuring Davros. And that Tennant MAY be done after the three specials, and they are talking to Paul Simm, believe it or not, to replace him...
is douglas adams' estate getting paid for the christmas show?
by jccalhoun
Dec 16th, 2007
09:38:40 AM
Since the stuff on the official dr. who site has revealed that the christmas special takes place on spaceship titanic, does Douglas Adams' estate get paid for the idea?
Specials
by supertoyslast
Dec 16th, 2007
09:52:51 AM
I didn't think it had been confirmed that Tennant would be in all 4 of the 2009 specials, since the press release at the time was rather cagey. However, it would make sense for Tennant to be in the 2008 Xmas special and at least one of the 2009 specials otherwise it would have suited the BBC better to continue straight into a fifth series with a new Doctor. I hope that there is a surprise regeneration at the end of one of the specials and that the casting is kept secret this time. Four full series with Tennant in the role would be too long for me, as well as making it tougher on the next guy to fill his shoes.

Also, since there are two ways to count the number of series, it does depend on how you count it. Otherwise we'd be referring to Tennant as the 2nd Doctor rather than the 10th. Although I can't see why people get so worked up about it.

The question will
by emeraldboy
Dec 16th, 2007
10:00:44 AM
the dr then have a split personality. interesting questioning. AS simm was the master and the master was given an indian burial at the end of season. Will the dr be battling two forces internally (themaster trying re-assert himself) and externally. hmmm
Time War in specials?
by Rolnikov
Dec 16th, 2007
10:18:28 AM
SpyGuy - I doubt those rumours about the specials being McGann in the Time War are correct. If you read Russell Davies' notes in The Flood graphic novel, they make it pretty clear that Eccleston fought in the Time War, not McGann. That's because he was happy for the comic strip to tell McGann's story all the way up to and including the regeneration, after which they would have left a gap for the Time War, before picking up the story again once the Doctor had met Rose. Of course, he could change his mind about that, and so could any other future producer. As for the gap year with specials, no one ever officially said it was so Tennant could take a break. I've always gone back to what Phil Collinson said in the Radio Times in response to a letter asking why Doctor Who wasn't in HD - because you'd have a bigger wait between seasons.
regarding The Master...
by lynxpro
Dec 16th, 2007
10:49:33 AM
The Master used up all of his regenerations way back when... In "The Deadly Assassin" back in Tom Baker's era on the show, he tried to unlock the Eye of Harmony on Gallifrey to expose himself to unlimited energy so that he could prolong his life. When that failed, he popped back up and stole the power of The Keeper in "The Keeper of Traken" and he gained the ability to possess a body. In "The Five Doctors" the Time Lord High Council offered him a new set of regenerations in exchange for working with The Doctor. He never received that new cycle because he was an idiot. Later on, in the last story from the Classic Series in 1989, "Survival", The Master had been infected with the Cheetah Virus. When Doctor Who returned in the 1996 tv movie, The Master again was the central villain. The Daleks (not shown onscreen) exterminated him for his high crimes and The Doctor was given the unusual assignment to return The Master's ashes to Gallifrey. The Time Lords probably were going to upload any memories retrieved from his ashes into The Matrix. Anyways, The Master arose from the ashes as a snakelike goo that could hop into another body. The retcon explanation was that The Master had found this parasite creature that he could transfer his consciousness into [if I recall, this was in Terrance Dicks' "The Eight Doctors" novel] which was native to the planet Skaro [Dalek homeworld]. The Master's execution was staged and a cover for his attempt to steal The Doctor's remaining lives [which the Valeyard had tried to do earlier in "Trial of a Time Lord"]. Obviously, the Daleks went along with this since it was a way to do away with their ancient nemesis. The Master was shown to have eyes similar to what he had in "Survival" from the Cheetah virus, but they looked more reptilian and menacing than prior. The Master then tried to use the link to the Eye of Harmony which at least was inside The Doctor's Type 40 TT TARDIS [all of the early models of this version of the TARDIS had been decommissioned] to transfer all the remaining regenerations of The Doctor - 5 - to The Master which was living inside the dead body of Eric Roberts. Of course, The Master failed and got sucked into the Eye of Harmony which either timelooped his ass back to the events prior to "The Deadly Assassin" and made him crispier then a meal from Kentucky Fried Chicken, or it truly killed him. It should be noted that The Doctor tried to save him but The Master refused and allowed himself to be sucked inside the Eye [which is the nucleus of a captured black hole]. Flashforward to the current series, and it was revealed that the Time Lords brought The Master back from the dead (and obviously with a new regenerative cycle) to fight during the Time War but he became a coward and used the Chameleon Arc and hid.
Tennant IS in the 2009 specials
by Sil
Dec 16th, 2007
10:52:04 AM
The original press statement: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffi ce/pressreleases/stories/2007/ 09_september/03/who.shtml "In 2009, Doctor Who will return with three specials starring David Tennant, with Head Writer, Russell T Davies." Tennant has also said "I'm taking a break after Series 4, but I'm coming back to do more Doctor Who".
AS for douglas adams est.
by emeraldboy
Dec 16th, 2007
10:57:29 AM
i have no idea, look at how along it took the bbc to settle its dispute with the est of terry nation. in the UK and Ireland we have series. To take an example rte's longest running Soap Fair city is in to its 20th series. If that were an american show it would be its 20th Season the same applies to Pat shortts Kilinaskully which is into its 5th series or if it were American it would be 5th season. Dr who's regeneration was a brilliant way of ending one actors contract. They introduced a new dr for that series untill his contract ran out. it takes a very brave actor to star in a show whos future was always in doubt. Everyone hates skyvester mcCoy, so when the axe did fall they were glad to see the back of him. but no the character.
Why Can't They Just...
by garofellatio
Dec 16th, 2007
11:20:11 AM
Wrap up the RTD era at the end of the 4th season, and have both producer and lead actor go, and make the 5th season, on schedule, with all the excitement of a new production team and new Doctor? Or have a slight overlap of either producer or current Doctor, as they often used to do on the old show (which ran for 26 seasons, so they must have been doing SOMETHING right)?
doctor who: caprica
by captain_kirk
Dec 16th, 2007
11:58:38 AM
here's my idea for a great space-filler for doctor who. there should be a mini series about the time war, starting with Doctor 8, Paul McGann, fighting Daleks, and ending with him being "killed" and regenerating into Christopher Eccleston. Fill in some blanks. Another note--yes, the Doctor does become evil somehow in Trial of a Time Lord...going back in time to kill himself. Therein lies an interesting dilemma that was pointed out to me--in the Doctor's future, Gallifrey still exists. Gallifrey will return one day....it has to.
Ye, mr_sinister, people watch the show...
by ckane123
Dec 16th, 2007
12:01:08 PM
It's averaging 7 to 8 million viewers in Britain, not to mention millions of viewers who torrent it or watch it rebroadcast in the US and elsewhere. Or the hundreds of thousands of DVDs sold worldwide. So, actually, "Who" in Britain is drawing over four times the average viewers per week than the last season of Star Trek: Enterprise, with a much higher percentage of the total population. So, not only do more people watch it than Trek, it's more like Britain's "American Idol"...
it was pertwee you fools!
by captain_kirk
Dec 16th, 2007
12:06:15 PM
Pertwee's doctor (after having previously pissed off the Time Lords, was forced to regenerate into Pertwee. They basically forced him to stay on earth, disabling the Tardis. He spent many episodes trying to fix it, including trying to fix the chameleon circuit, with often unpredictable results.
BOLLOCKS!
by smallPNS
Dec 16th, 2007
12:24:11 PM
Am I the only one tired of hearing about the creative superiority of British television, especially the BBC, while the idiocy of both the broadcasters and the actors is so clearly evident? As an American I am in the minority, as I watch British telly, and have been impressed by some of what I have sampled. Shows such as Dr. Who, Bodies, The Green Wing, Black Books, Little Britain, The Graham Norton Show, and The Office. However, the majority of what I catch on BBC America is endlessly repeated and complete crap. This is a situation any American is used to when watching our own television programs. (Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap)

The main difference is quantity! The average U.S. broadcast network show has 22 episodes in a single season and if not cancelled will return for another 22 episode run. Until the last 5 years, a show would not be repeated more than twice until the magical 100 episode mark was reached and the show could then be sold in its entirety for repeats in syndication 5-7 days a week. The reasoning being that no one would watch repeats unless there were enough to view consecutively for several months without having to cycle back through again. If a show was cancelled after a single season or did not make it to 100 episodes it was generally not aired again. The producers of programs realized that to reach the 100 episodes and achieve financial success required that the actors (and often showrunners and writers) were bound by multi year contracts with an opt-out clause by the producer if the show were cancelled. American audiences were taught to expect long runs and that their shows would return about the same time each year for another season. (The original season was 26 episodes, allowing a single repetition of episodes before the next season began)

Compare this with the British system. A show would be financed for a limited run of 6-13 episodes with no guarantee of future seasons. The actors and staff were under no long term commitment if another season was eventually funded nor was the program scheduled to return automatically the next year unless cancelled as was the American practice. (Thus Brit shows having series instead of seasons) A new season might begin in 1 year, 3 years or never. The producer or showrunner would wait until funded or until they felt confident in the scripts produced. This resulted in a system of endless repeats and an average British show achieving the equivalent of a single American season over several series.

This gets me to the crux of my arguement. Why the Hell can't British television grasp the simple concept of a multi-year contract? If you have a talented writer or actor and you think you may have a possible hit, for God's sake hold onto them! It is immensely frustrating to hear that Mr. Tennant and Mr. Davies will be leaving Dr. Who and that the fallow year of 2009 forced on the fans is for naught. Both will be lost regardless of this special arrangement. If not for Dr. Who Mr Tennant would not be in the position he is in now to cherry pick any role he favors. Mr. Davies should likewise be grateful for the rare gift given him. I do think Mr. Davies is a talented man, but my only fear in his departure is a weakening of the show without him in command. I will NOT miss his writing skills as I believe as most do that his episodes are among the weaker of the series.

Another example of this affliction in British television is Ricky Gervais. Although he is an acknowledged comic genius, he cannot manage to come up with more than a dozen episodes for any show he creates. Then I and my fellow countrymen are supposed to bend over backwards to celebrate his genius. Does anyone in Britain think that if an American writer was given an indefinite amount of time to create a script instead of weeks and had not 22 but just 6 to write that the quality would not be the same or better. Take any season of an American show and subtract the weakest half, then compare that to a British show. What if the 1st season of Lost was the entire series? Look at wildly popular shows in Britain like Life on Mars that ran less than 22 episodes in its entirety. What if it ran for 100 episodes or if all the episodes were written and filmed at one time? Do you think there might be filler episodes or episodes not as great as the main? The American Emmy awards changed their rules so that Ricky Gervais would have the chance to win an Emmy. Under previous rules his shows had not qualified as there were less than 13 episodes in a season. Previously shows of 12 or less in a season were considered to be a mini-series or special. The number was changed downwards to 6 so that Mr. Gervais' show Extras would qualify! I believe in quality but I also believe in quantity. If you don't feel the same, ask yourself, "Would I have been as pleased with The Office (UK) if only a single episode was made?" I think the answer is NO and that genius is bore out through the sum of the whole and that artificially lowering the number of the whole to just those few most prized and carefully nursed is chicanery, and that leaving a series after 2 dozen episodes for fear of typcasting or lack of character growth is cowardly as an actor and prevents the evolution of that character as realized by someone who has garnered their abilities to fully give life to a role.

Hey smallPNS...
by tonagan
Dec 16th, 2007
12:33:40 PM
That was a well thought-out, well-written piece. Not sure if I agree with it 100%, but I liked it.
smallPNS
by spud mcspud
Dec 16th, 2007
12:55:25 PM
Well put. That was quite well thought out. Not sure if I agree either - there are single movies of two hours or less that should be left as they are as they tell the story in its entirety and to lengthen them - or, God forbid, sequelize them - would be to water down and weaken the story. I am thinking specifically of ROAD HOUSE - did we need that sequel? HELL no! - and of the hash Lucas made by making the prequel trilogy. But then, I'm definitely in agreement with you that LIFE ON MARS was WAAAAY too short. And it had a cop-out ending. Ptui!

On the other hand - can't wait for RTD to go (fuck off, stupidly written episodes and overly heavy-handed issues-driven moralising! BAH!) and for Catherine Tate to go (buck the trend - have THAT Companion die a horrifying death! Offscreen, obviously - can't traumatise the kids, man) and for Tennant to either be given some decent material or for someone on another channel to write a decent sci-fi show to rival DR WHO with. PRIMEVAL doesn't count.

Not sure what to expect from VOYAGE OF THE DAMNED. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Don't like the Doctor's posturing speeches about saving the world, either - would a 900-year old Time Lord be such a fucking egomaniac? Only when RTD has written the dialogue. Who knows.

'Scuse the pun.

smallPNS
by JonJonB
Dec 16th, 2007
01:20:50 PM
It's not that Gervais can't come up with more episodes, it's that he's watched too many good shows outstay their welcome and turn to shit. The longer you drag a show on for, the more ideas you need to keep churning out and the quality inevitably drops. The most fitting example in this case is obviously the American Office. It already made characters and situations wackier than the original because American networks apparently don't think their viewers understand subtle comedy, but now that it's got like five or six times the number of episodes Gervais' version had in total, it's just become a complete cartoon. Ricky's said many times that he wants to be proud of his shows, so I think to him a "filler" episode or one that's "below average" just isn't acceptable, and he's not even willing to risk another series for any price if he feels there's a danger of the quality dropping. There's also the fact that most US sitcoms have a TEAM of writers, whereas The Office had Gervais and Merchant. Two guys, who wrote and directed all of it (one even taking up acting duties) and were heavily involved in most other aspects of the production. Same went for Extras, except BOTH went in front of the camera this time, meaning more work for them all round. One other thing to consider is that British TV is nowhere near well-funded enough to make a season of television as long as the US, not with the same production values at least. (Besides, all the very best US shows bar a select few are the cable shows with only 12 episodes per season, which is on track to become the UK standard for most of the popular dramas, so there's got to be something to be said for Gervais' methods)
I don't need a Doctor Who Prequel
by INWOsuxRED
Dec 16th, 2007
01:44:07 PM
Another story where we know what happens, where the audience is basically told they are too stupid to fill in the blanks. Another "big war" type story that every basement dwelling dork would gladly watch over finely written stories with excellent acting and chracterization. I just don't need Doctor Who as a Will Smith movie. I'd prefer to continue to move forwards, thank you.
@captain_kirk
by jeffv
Dec 16th, 2007
02:14:16 PM
No, Pertwee's Doctor was busy trying to repair the Dematerialisation Circuit, not the Chameleon Circuit.
Patrick McGoohan as Dr. Who.
by Uncapie
Dec 16th, 2007
02:53:53 PM
That would be interesting!
McGann
by Don Lockwood
Dec 16th, 2007
03:31:55 PM
Can someone tell me what the deal is with him? Why do people think that movie and he in particular are so great? I found the film and the characterizations to be off mark and the acting to be average to mediocre. I know it's canon since drawings of McGann show up in the Doctor's notebook, but what makes people like that film so much?
People don't like the film
by INWOsuxRED
Dec 16th, 2007
03:58:56 PM
they like McGann and don't think he was given a fair chance to play the Doctor.
@Don Lockwood
by SirFlibble
Dec 16th, 2007
04:26:49 PM
I don't know anyone who likes the movie. Personally I enjoyed McGann as the Doctor. He over acted a little bit but I suspect that was more because of the mess they were making. I think if he was to be in a British Dr Who he will be much more subdued and Doctory (mind you in an hour and a half is not a long time for a Doctor to really establish their character) and personally I'd like to see more of him.
Subdued?
by lynxpro
Dec 16th, 2007
05:01:03 PM
Really. As if Tennant's Doctor was subdued or nuanced. There are three handicaps to the current production of Doctor Who... 1. Not shot on HD from the get-go. Even Torchwood is shot using HD. 2. RTD writing too many damn episodes. When he's limited to a few episodes, he writes good material; when he writes too many episodes - which he does - the majority of the product is krap when compared to what Cornell and Moffat churn out. And 3. which is tied to 2., too few episodes per "series". If they only do 13 episodes (plus the X-Mas specials), every single episode should be a hit out of the ballpark. But alas, this is not the case. There's always been more than 1 groan-worthy episode per series of RTD Who. You just can't do that with so little content. I'll be much more happy with Moffat in control of the series. And yes, Paul McGann would have rocked had he been given at least 22 episodes to do. He also signed to a 5 year 22 episodes per season contract but alas, Fox didn't greenlight it back in 1996.
RTD has been given
by emeraldboy
Dec 16th, 2007
05:10:50 PM
far too much largese.
Head in a Box: Doctor's age
by Billy Goat
Dec 16th, 2007
05:31:36 PM
I vaguely remember an episode from the black-and-white era mentioning that the Doctor was 600 years old. So, maybe he goes off and takes long vacations between companions.
The trailer for VOYAGE OF THE DAMNED gives The Doctor's age
by SpyGuy
Dec 16th, 2007
05:43:47 PM
"I'm The Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I am 903 years old and I'm the man who's going to save your lives and all six billion people on the planet below. You got a problem with that?"

Can't. Fucking. Wait.

Dr.'s age
by jbs0209
Dec 16th, 2007
06:05:01 PM
IIRC William Hartnell spent most of his life on Gallifrey.

So, maybe 840 of those 850-ish years were spent in safety. Now he is out in the rough and tumble.

Just a thought.

who says weve watched him permanently
by aestheticity
Dec 16th, 2007
06:16:54 PM
since hartnell came on screen. the dr couldve aged hundreds of years in between the hundreds of episodes weve watched him in. and he rebelled from the timelord society as... a grown timelord, as it were. so until he was 600 life was quiet, and since then hes been dying all over the place.
Trailer????
by axcel1
Dec 16th, 2007
06:44:03 PM
What Trailer??? Where Trailer??? Please tell me where I can find the trailer for the xmas special.
4th Doctor
by INWOsuxRED
Dec 16th, 2007
07:06:59 PM
When Tom Baker went back to Gallefry, he ran into a contemporary who was still on his first regeneration, and the Doctor seemed rather embarrassed to have blown through so many so fast.
Trailer for the Christmas Special
by ckane123
Dec 16th, 2007
09:01:47 PM
Be here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =goh43zwnZVo&eurl=http://www.t vtonight.com.au/2007/12/who-vo yage-of-damned-trailer.html You're welcome.
Yes, Head in a Box, McGann is the Doctor in the Time War...
by ckane123
Dec 16th, 2007
09:03:22 PM
We will see him fight it -and die over it - this coming series.
Tennant was just on the Extras special...
by tonagan
Dec 16th, 2007
09:27:39 PM
As The Doctor. Kind of a depressing finale, that was.
And because ckane123 can't be bothered
by Don Lockwood
Dec 16th, 2007
10:42:38 PM
..here's the link in friendly tinyurl format:

http://tinyurl.com/yv5btx

Why are you people so fucking lazy?

Hire Timothy Dalton as the new Doctor
by Big Dumb Ape
Dec 17th, 2007
04:44:00 AM
I liked Eccleston a lot for the vigor he brought to the role, but I have to say that I really love Tennant in the part. I just think he's been incredibly charismatic and done a great job of acting through and through. So I really hope that he does stick around and that much like Jonathan Frakes infamously said while making TREK: NEXT GEN "there are a helluva lot of worse things then having William Shatner's career." In other words, in some cases its not bad luck at all to be typecast in an iconic role that will truly set you up for life.

That said, if Tennant were to leave, you know who I'd love to see take over the part? If we can start tossing out dream names? Timothy Dalton. All these years after being Bond, he looked great in HOT FUZZ and he still exuded his own level of vigor and charm. And he's older now and would make for a bold, more mature than Tennant Doctor as well. Besides it doesn't seem like Dalton's THAT busy with things, so maybe he would be interested in heading over to London to do the show for a short tenure. Hell, I'd love to see him be the Doc for a season or two...

Patrick Stewart for The Doctor!
by spud mcspud
Dec 17th, 2007
06:02:29 AM
Yeah, I know someone else said it earlier, but if you riffed against his past personas - ie made his Doctor as unlike Picard as possible - this could really work. Stewart understands that gravitas you get from Shakespearian training, and brought to weighty material such as what Cornell and Moffat come up with, he'd be awesome. As much as I like Tennant, the thought of Patrick Stewart up against Derek Jacobi as The Master gives me a delicious shiver. That would KICK ASS!

Make it so.

No actor over the age of 50 will be cast as the new Doctor
by SpyGuy
Dec 17th, 2007
07:40:24 AM
DOCTOR WHO producers are going to keep casting younger Doctors that can run, capable of action sequences, and have a decent amount of sex appeal without looking creepy traveling with 20-year-old female companions.

As cool as it would be to have a Hartnell or Troughton type Doctor again, especially with someone the calibre of Patrick Stewart, I'm afraid the days of a "grandfatherly" Doctor have passed long ago.

I've said it before and I'll say it again
by Purgatori
Dec 17th, 2007
09:34:03 AM
get Sean Pertwee to be the next Doctor. He'd rock and he looks like his dad which would be a great tribute.
smallPNS
by INWOsuxRED
Dec 17th, 2007
10:28:15 AM
The finale of Extras, and the run of the show in general, seemed to address much of your complaints about British television, as well as show why the American take of simply churning it out till everyone is sick of it isn't a better alternative. I personally would prefer a small run of a singular vision that come out at the "artists" pace over an inconsistent team of writers churning filler episodes with the occasionally hyped plot advancement every sweeps until the networks jump in and change the intended ending and force needless extra seasons on us.
Thank You, Thank You..........
by axcel1
Dec 17th, 2007
10:55:50 AM
To both ckane123 & Don Lockwood for the trailer links. As for David Tennant leaving, I hope he stays until his hair turns white!!!!(But, I think it would be fun to have John Simm take over the role for a short time.)
Michelle Gomez (Sue White) as the next Doc!
by EvilWizardGlick
Dec 17th, 2007
11:17:12 AM
She meets the criteria by not only being Scottish but an excellent actress that can pull off the Docs goofiness.
And Troughton to Pertwee allows for more regens.
by EvilWizardGlick
Dec 17th, 2007
11:21:42 AM
Watching the Timelords force the Troughton to Pertwee regeneration makes one wonder if there really is a limit. Romana ran through so many bodies while trying to find the correct one.

My take is INTENTIONAL regeneration allows the docs to have a near infinite amount but FORCED (death) has a limit.

Paul Mcgann
by thedoctor28
Dec 17th, 2007
02:31:45 PM
Anyone who thinks this guy sucked never watched the older series. This guy NAILED the DR. Ever since Tom Baker left I had to get *used* to all the dr's. Including the last 2. Mcgann I was comfortable with right from the first line he spoke. He was the closest to the Tom Baker Dr. we all loved so much. McGann needs to come back!!! I really hope we do get to see him, I think he was great. maybe the movie wasn't the greatest, but he NAILED the DR...!!!
BTW
by thedoctor28
Dec 17th, 2007
02:33:26 PM
Spoken as a true American lover of Dr. Who. I've been watching since 1979
The Doctor's Age/Missing Adventures
by ThomasFlynn
Dec 17th, 2007
03:14:46 PM
Don't forget that the Doctor has had a ton of 'off-screen' adventures associated with each incarnation. So just because a regeneration only lasted so long on television, chronologically it could have last much longer.
BRIT TV QUALITY/TENNANT LEAVING
by smallPNS
Dec 17th, 2007
10:25:31 PM
Once more into the breach...

I'm not sure if what I stated was fully understood, so I'll attempt to restate. I DO NOT believe British television is better than American television, nor do I believe the obverse. It's comparing apples and oranges. For the international posters I think you'd be horrified at how little non-American entertainment, outside of animation, is viewed by American audiences. The posters on this site are FAR more likely to have some knowledge of British television than the average American.

An observation: Here in the USA there is a strange duality to how British entertainment is viewed. The only place the average American sees British television is on the local PBS station. (public broadcasting partly funded by the government with a mandate to provide "high-quality" entertainment, educational and arts programming, and local content) This is the closest America comes to the BBC model followed by the vast majority of the rest of the world. PBS is watched by perhaps 10% of the population at any one time. Part of the reason for the low viewership is the perceived elitist tone and the showing of British television considered more intellectualy stimulating. Thus on PBS you'll find a HUGE amount of coproductions with the BBC of nature and science shows, (many of which I'm sure are given a new voiceover and shown in Britain and worldwide) newer dramas from the BBC such as Inspector Morse, Agatha Christie and Foyle's War and ENDLESS repeats of As Time Goes By, Are You Being Served and Keeping Up Appearances. If you want to watch an 18 part history of Jazz or the Civil War (American), or if you want to see this week's show about World War II, then PBS is the place for you! There is an undertone of an American inferiority complex seeming to say: "You can be better than you are, You can be British!," or "This is what intelligent people like the British are watching." Theresponse of most Americans is "If this is smart television, then I'd rather be a dumb-ass and watch CSI."

It seems to me that the rest of the world, especially the Commonwealth nations, have a great deal more of British television along with the dreaded low-brow American fare. In the USA BBC America is only available in 14 million homes and according to British posters is a pale imitation of British television. An amusing fact for Brits: On BBC America before most shows there are instructions on how to turn on closed captioning as British accents are unfamiliar and difficult to understand. I doubt there is a similar disclaimer before American television shows internationally.

My post was to highlight a possible reason for American television domination: the sheer amount of programming available and the knowledge that your favorite show will be around for awhile. It is very common for American television shows to run 100+ episodes and constantly have fresh shows, while British shows have no consistency with additional seasons and often run as few as 20 episodes over SEVERAL years. Look at a hugely popular show form Britain such as Coupling. Fans loved the characters and stories and yet were rewarded with a total of approximately 24 episodes over 5 years. Compare thus with an American show like Friends or Seinfeld, each with north of 150 episodes over 9 years! Compare the best 6 episodes of Friends each season with the 6 episodes each series of Coupling and I think you'll see Friends had better episodes. Even if you think some shows went on too long, the beauty of television and dvd sets is that you determine the series run! X-Files ran 9 seasons but I only count 1-7, Frasier ran 10 seasons but I only count 1-7, Will & Grace and That 70's Show ran 8 season but I count onlt 1-7 for each. I don't dicount the whole show for the slide in quality at the end, and if a particular episode is dreadful, I DON'T WATCH IT! Can any British fan of the Office, Extras, Life On Mars, etc. claim that there was no more room for character development or stories to be told? As for the argument the American office is past its prime, I disagree. There have been a few clunkers, but the majority have been excellent.

The best proof I have for my argument is Dr. Who. If asked before the reboot if it should be restarted, the average Brit would probably have said no with a tinge of nostalgia. Consider the current run that would have been aborted if the less is more people had won the argument. Going into its 4th season of the reboot, Dr. Who now has had an extremely long run for a British series and according to numerous sources is still running strong. As far as the vision of a single writer, I have to point out Mr. Davies as an example of the fallacy of this. The episodes he scripted are among the weakest and some of his decisions have been less than well thought out. How many fans loved Ardal O'Hanlan's baby kittens, the rhino headed creatures or reacted with glee at the thought of Catherine Tate as a new companion. When Mr. Davies leaves there is no talk of production ending or the END of WHO. Many such as myself will be grateful for Mr. Davies contribution and look forward to an improved Dr. Who. I believe the showrunner who will replace him now knows what does and doesn't work and will have the freedom to steer the show in that direction even if it doesn't fit with Mr. Davies original plan.

Of Course, I Could Be Wrong.

I'd be inclined to think you have got it totally wrong...
by slapshot
Dec 17th, 2007
11:40:45 PM
New Who has, for me, hit it out of the park every episode. (Yes, I even liked "Fear Her"; yes, I LOVED "Love and Monsters"). With Brit shows, you get quality; with most American shows, you just get quantity. I mean, really: how many "brilliant pathologists" are there? How many times can the CSI people encounter a bizarre murder? Or serial killer? Or whatever? How many times can House have a patient walk into his office with a disease so rare that only two or three doctors in the world have ever even heard of it, much less treated it before? Did we really need 26 episodes of "Friends" each year, some of them "supersized" (overlong) extravaganzas? "Friends", in retrospect, is kinda funny; "Coupling", by the brilliant Stephen Moffat, remains a classic. (Few other things: RTD has said that his choice to be the next Doctor would be Harry Lloyd, "Son of Mine" from the Human Nature/Family of Blood two-parter. And for whoever posted it above, the man's name is JOHN SIMM, not Paul, not "that guy that played the Master"....) (And how the hell do ya do paragraph breaks here again???)
Oh god please no...
by clockerz
Dec 18th, 2007
04:17:16 AM
On the TV this morning (GMTV for those who want to know), they claimed that Jennifer Saunders will be the next and more importantly, first female Doctor. I truly hope this isn't true. Any of you who don't know who she is, Absolutely Fabulous. She played Edina.
Female Doctor..
by clockerz
Dec 18th, 2007
06:40:45 AM
I just hope it isn't true. The ladies can't complain, they have the Sarah Jane Adventures....what more could they want?;)

So if rumours are true and we DO have a female Doctor, who will tag along with her? Graham Norton?
Harry Lloyd for the Doctor
by spud mcspud
Dec 18th, 2007
08:27:24 AM
He'd have my vote: he's young, charismatic, and totally convincing in his acting. He'd be an interesting and fresh direction in which to take this series. Which is why it will NEVER happen.

The other reason, of course, is that Harry Lloyd is in Budapest filming the Saturday night BBC replacement for Who when it's off, the criminally under-rated ROBIN HOOD, in which Harry plays Will Scarlet. After the extremely interesting character developments with the character Alan-A-Dale, they'd be daft not to use Harry to his full potential in Season 3 (although I think Little John is the most under-used actor in the series thus far). And while talking about ROBIN HOOD: can't they just kill off Keith Allen now and cast another, more believable Sheriff of Nottingham? Season 2 has moved this series out of the realms of pantomime: Allen seems unable to move with it.

Back on topic: Harry Lloyd for the Doctor. I'd like to see that. Especially with Lucy Griffiths (Marion) as the new Companion. Mmmmmmmmm.....

Go young! Rupert Grint as the Doctor!`
by ZeroCorpse
Dec 18th, 2007
09:51:39 AM
Think about it. He'd be highly entertaining. If not him, then how about a Rik Mayall Doctor?
Mike can be the Brigadier from UNIT
by tonagan
Dec 18th, 2007
12:47:02 PM
But who would Alexi Sayle play? Wait a second, he was already on Doctor Who...
Don't make The Doctor a chick
by The Gipper
Dec 18th, 2007
03:35:10 PM
That is the worst idea since they made Starbuck into a chick on BSG. A chick Doctor would be craptacular. If you're going to do that, have some other female Time Lord appear.
Harry Lloyd?
by clockerz
Dec 18th, 2007
03:59:41 PM
Hell no. It was annoying enough bringing in Martha who was the supposed cousin of a Torchwood employee. We want fresh faces, not one we've already seen.

@ZeroCorpse, actually yes I agree. He's a cracking actor and his comedic tendancies would add well to the Who universe.
smallPNS, you're right, but...........
by axcel1
Dec 18th, 2007
04:32:02 PM
I don't(and I'm sure other people)watch a tv show just for the main story of the week, I(we) also watch the growth of the characters in the tv series. The Data of STTNG in year one is not the same Data in Star Trek Nemesis. The Daniel Jackson in Stargate SG1 year 1 is not the same in year 10. The changes in character are so different the longer the series is on. (In both series,the way they think, also, the bond of friendship between the main characters grows the longer the series stays on. I'm sure if Torchwood or The Sarah Jane Adventures filmed more episodes per year, we would see more in character growth.
just to hit some recent posts...
by omarthesnake
Dec 18th, 2007
05:39:41 PM
The Gipper: "a chick"? "a chick doctor would be craptacular"? Very convincing arguments, Quagmire. Now come join us in the 21st fucking century...... Clockerz: Really? You'd rather not have a first-rate actress like Freema just because she played a bit part on one earlier ep? Hell, David Tennant was in several Doctor Who audiobooks already, let's disquality him from playing the Doctor!
Bring back the dude from Heroes...
by impossibledreamers
Dec 18th, 2007
10:01:57 PM
Sorry... The few new episodes I tried to watch are much more entertaining with him in them. He's a bit dark, but also funny. The one with him in it and Simon Pegg (Shawn of the Dead) was not bad. WJ
Romana
by catlettuce4
Dec 18th, 2007
10:20:42 PM
I wonder, is Romana still alive somewhere?
@omarthesnake
by clockerz
Dec 19th, 2007
05:03:08 AM
Freema a top class actress? Where did you hear such a thing?;)

She was wooden all the way through season 3 and her family were equally tree like. She didn't gel with the Doctor as well as Billie Piper in any way shape or form. As for Catherine Tate, you'll be singing her praises next:P
Tennant NOT Quitting
by themanicgerm
Dec 19th, 2007
07:41:12 AM
check the bbc website
BBC Link
by clockerz
Dec 19th, 2007
07:47:17 AM
For those of you who want a direct clicky:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/ent ertainment/7151102.stm
season 3 was a let down
by smeagol2
Dec 19th, 2007
08:40:03 AM
Only a few good episodes in that season and I did not like the last one. With Anthony Head was the Master. Hope season 4 is better.
BBC denies everything
by INWOsuxRED
Dec 19th, 2007
09:50:01 AM
they denied that Piper was leaving, they denied Freema was leaving (even if she is coming back for a bit). I think they may have denied the Doctor would regenerate at the end of Series 1 as well.
An Old Doctor get real.
by ROBE
Dec 19th, 2007
10:24:30 AM
Where is the logic in the Doctor regenerating into an actor who everyone can see is way older than the last. If you were going to regenerate would you want to have an older or younger body? Most Doctors have been replaced by a younger actor or if older by an actor who at least didn't look older. The oldest actor to take over was Jon Pertwee who was 50 replacing an actor who was nearly 50 (anyway that was a forced regeneration). During the first few hours of a regeneration a Timelord can still alter their body, so Romana simply tried a few temporary shapes for her 2nd body and the Doctor was able to grow a new hand. The Valeyard was an evil entity taken from between the Doctor's 12th and 13th incarnations.
I am going to say something which may brign to down the wrath of
by emeraldboy
Dec 19th, 2007
10:47:04 AM
I have been watching dr who since childhood. When I thought of how donna noble annoyed everyone, i thought to myself was there ever a character in dr who that was as reviled. I remember when Colin baker got his new assistant perry. She looked nice and then she opened her mouth and the whining didnt stop untill she was axed by the bbc by popular request. even the tabloids got involved and asked the bbc to put the dr who fans out of thier misery and turf her out of the TARDIS. which they did eventually. Catherine Tate is in the same position. Everybody hates her(have seen over largessed show and glad its gone) and dr who fans have lobbed brick after verbal brick in her and the bbcs direction and finally Having seen nearly all three seasons of the new who, i have grown very tired of the sheer amount of running, they do on that program. More than likely I will miss the Dr who christmas special as I always do. I will come on here and there will be who will say its the best thing they have ever seen. I grew tired of watching dr who. Which thanks to russell t davis has become the most repetitive show on tv and I agree the american academic Bonnie Greer, who stopped watching dr who because all the plots went absolutely nowhere.
catherine tate is coming back with christmas special
by emeraldboy
Dec 19th, 2007
03:24:28 PM
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
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