Because let's be honest, friends of mine. This movie might look and sound awesome but in the end it's just going to be comic book character fighting comic book character, with some clever comic book character plan to rule/fuck up the world that gets foiled and the girl gets captured and comic book character has to go save her and beat the other comic book character. But the Indy movie, I honestly don't know what to expect. I'm looking forward to Batman but Indy is the movie of the summer.

so i have a feeling that this story kinda goes that way. Face it, if you want to look like a clown, are already nutso, and need to go commit heavy crimes- do you go by some drug store halloween makeup that will rub off in the wind?- or do you grab the cheap, lead filled old expired white industrial paint you have laying around your abandoned warehouse?

my guess is the latter, and there's no tellin' what enough treatments of that will do. if anyone wants to try, let us know. in every pic it looks like the black and red run, but the white (that in early pics looks so thickly applied) begins to stain and crack off, revealing his skin kinda looks grayish white as a result.

we can hope?

WB is selling this shit so hard that it's going to be the letdown of the summer. Every fanboy will go in having so many dreams of a movie that'll never be. It's going to be like MIB2, where every plot point, every gag, and anything even remotely cool was spoiled before you even bought a ticket.

We've got months to go and WB has got the hype machine so far into high gear that they can't see that they're oversaturating the market with pre-packaged buzz.

I'm going to see this movie, with the slight hope that it won't suck. However, I've got no faith in WB, Nolan's crappy re-envisioning (hated Begins), and Brokeback the Clown.

You're one of those geniuses who think the internet is a fad. This is the first step for this information, kiddo. It starts here and goes...there...and there. It's viral marketing at it's best.

You're name says it all.

You'RE the one insinuating that this is a fad and useless. Your Star Trek comparison is a fucking joke. Most people don't even know or care about that movie.

This is called sewing the seeds you knob.

bah...you're too stupid to reach. I can't pander to a denominator as low as you.

Now break your pills in half from now on.

I'm glad that Nolan and co. have decided to aim for the non-douchebag demographic, because we are obviously getting how great it is.

And Heath Ledger has never been menacing. Not even when he spat into his palm.

Please explain to me how Begins had the character more in the role of a detective than did the first Burton flick.

I don't dig on Burton's Batman flick as definitive by any stretch. And yet, at least his Batman could fight, figure stuff out, and invent his own stuff. Nolan's Batman can only fight... not that we can decipher much of it. And that's kinda it. Lucius Fox was the one that invented stuff and figured everything out.

Take Fox out of Nolan's Bat and you eliminate the detective aspect of the character.

Immortal...Huh... Okay,Nolan's Bruce Wayne is no inventor, but he /is/ a detective. He surveils the bad guys, using long distance mics and enhanced hearing and taking photos surreptitiously and even dressing like the homeless. I'm sorry if you missed it, but the Begins movie is like a procedural action flick for vigilantism rather than cops. Standard cop-show detective undercover work. As for '89 Batman, that Bruce Wayne used his superkickass computers and such to solve the Smilex mystery. I guess he was supposed to be a chemist, too, to know how to identify it, and a bit of a weirdo.

Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne is a favorite of mine; edgy, weird, and seemingly at a loss for how society works. But his Batman hasn't aged very well...a superhero who can fight but has to move his head with his shoulders to look around? Yeah, good luck with that when most of the guys will have submachine guns...His tear-away rubber mask also gives me the jibblies.

In a fight, straight up, Nolan's Batman would snatch Burton's Batman right off the set of Halloweentown, and the sickening crunch you hear from the dark would be the REAL Dark Knight teaching that phony a lesson.

To me, Batman has been the Denny O'Neal version...lean, mean, and relies on his stuff as well as his mind, but the criminals are scared of him, because he's to criminals what criminals are to most folks. Nolan's Batman harkens back to those days, for my money.

Batman '89 would welcome a Robin character because it would be 'off-the-wall' and 'unexpected'. Nolan's Batman would NEED a Robin to keep him from becoming a brooding, dark monster all the way through, focusing only on the grim and ugly things in life.

Lucius Fox, to be fair, didn't invent jack, he oversaw R&D on all the gadgets that Wayne needed to use in his nightly crusade against those who would prey on the fearful. So, no points for him, it's to give the movie versimilitude. No one in the 'nearly real world' of Begins is a chemist, scientist, detective, inventor, multibillionaire. They tried to make it comic-book-y, but not to stretch the suspension of disbelief wafer thin.

I fall in the camp of '89 was a good Batman when you compare it to '68 Batman. And has memorable moments, and was one of my favorite movies for a LONG time. But Nolan's Batman IS Batman for today, like it or not. And yes, he needs a new director of photography for the action pieces involving multiple foes, or something to give us more than the horrified faces of the criminals witnessing the brutal maiming of their cohorts.

But, then again, I want to FEAR the Dark Knight...to understand that when your buddy Knuckles doesn't reply to your call, you know that soon, you'll feel the mailed gloves around your body parts and then the screaming and breaking begins, and you wonder if Batman's going to leave you alive, or go too far this time.

I can't wait for this flick.

If I might add to the unrealistic of Burton's Batman, Batman's costume also featured eyeshadow attached to the mask (as seen in Batman Returns); and a thick leather cape that never got in the way (during the scene in which Batman first encounters Jack Napier, where he is hits a man with his forearm from behind a wall, you can plainly see how two very different capes were used in that scene).

As for Robin, I actually hope that Nolan NEVER gets around to him. There are soooo many ways to wrongly portray Robin. But that won't stop me from suggesting a portrayal of my own liking:

First of all, change Robin from a 14-year-old boy to a 14-year-old girl. Not only is that presedented by comic book cannon, but it's also much more alluring. (Robin IV was a girl, and so was the Robin from TDKR.) Next, completely revamp the costume. Even Tiny Toons made fun of the fact that Robin's costume serves only to draw fire away from Batman LOL. Let's try a costume composed mostly of blacks or very dark greens, with some equally dark reds. Give the girl a mask that covers much more of her head. Between she and Batman, she needs the protection more than he does, right?

So, you want to make someone notice your movie...you make a poster like this, and put the Batman logo at the bottom. The Begins poster was just the symbol made of bats right? I can't remember, because it was just simple, without anyone's face. Both of the posters don't show faces, really, just iconic images of the two main characters...Batman...and the Joker. You see just this poster, and you're intrigued...

Let's compare this to Batman and Robin's menagerie of banners hanging all over the lobby, showing everyone from Bane to Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze, including Batgirl's sausage casing suit, and the Bat-Nipples, et al. For crying out loud, they SATURATED the marketing with those posters for EVERY character. As an aside, around the same time Judge Dredd was coming out, and I was looking forward to it. When they unmasked him, it was more than a little disappointing, but the media blitz wasn't in the mix there, I did actually see it in the theater, and I liked it...but because I like Sly in just about any damned thing....So, you see, this isn't oversaturation or preferring the enemies to the heroes...not yet, anyway.

I can see the point in emphasizing the Joker as being a little pandering to the set that would like it. BUT. If the average filmgoer sees this poster, what it will do is remind them of the last five minutes of the last flick, and get them in the mood for a new Batman movie, and wondering what the hell this new Joker is all about.

Finally, ask yourself if in this age of kids who think it's the height of comedy to gang beat up one of their peers and set it to music and put it up on YouTube, that 'Wait 'till they get a load of me.' is going to even penetrate their media gummed brains. Yeah, the 13 and ups I know...(a few younger relations, and their friends)...they'd laugh their asses off at the Nicholson Joker, and would like this (and I HATE MYSELF FOR USING THIS WORD AT ALL...) "juggalo" Joker. This, too is the Joker for our times. Not the avant garde anti-establishment 'tortured artist' but a sick fuck with a lot of knives. This guy would give Batman a run for his money, because his plans are not simple criminality or epic world-domination, they're just unbridled mayhem wrapped around a sick turd's sense of humor.

I think the actual poster should show just that white wall with the Batman logo/Joker face. Most casual guys wouldn't know right off who Ra's Al Ghul is, unless they watched the Animated Series faithfully or caught the episode with him in it. But EVERYONE knows that when you say Batman...his main nemesis is The Joker, and that's what people were excited about at the end of Batman Begins.

- Vanity turned into Self-Loathing

- A run of the mill criminal somehow driven mad, or already mad, and looking for thrills

- Revenge against society or one man he sees as his rival for the attention he craves

What would I like to see in a Joker in the films that would make me happy? The Joker started as a roman a clef of the myriad grotesques in 'Dick Tracy's' rogue's gallery, in my opinion. He morphed into a showman as time went on, getting more and more outlandish with his schemes to defraud and demoralize the citizens of Gotham and make Batman look like a damned joke. Finally, around the 70s, Joker had to compete with darker Batman villains like Two-Face's more brutal turn, and the horrific Man-Bat...so the Joker stepped up his game and became ruthless as well as flamboyant, as in the JokerFish escapade. I want a film version to be true to the universe it sets up. This Joker would be out of place in, say, the old Batman TV-Show. Just like Egghead or the Liberace villain (I can't remember the name at the moment) would be woefully out of place with their cleverly and hackneyed-named henchmen in Nolan's Batman universe.

The question isn't 'what is or isn't the Joker' really. The Joker has been a lot of things over the years. He's gone from typical criminal with a gimmick into THE icon of the 'bad clown'.

What I want is the prototype for the Miller 'Dark Knight Returns' Joker. A man whose obsession with Batman becomes a struggle of ideologies and wills with the arena being Gotham City.

Sorry, I'm a comics/movie dork, and I love the Nolan Batman. If you don't like this movie, it doesn't change my opinion one bit. Woe to those who allow 'haters' or 'fanboys' to waver their opinions one way or another. I personally think this is great for what Nolan has done before. Sorry if you pine for the days when Cesar Romero had a goddamned moustache under his makeup, and constantly mugged for the camera, and upstaged the Riddler...Hey, the past is back that way, and it's a nice place, from what I understand.

I'll forge ahead, thanks, and take the great with the bad.

Real dragons don't EAT Matthew MacConneheys(or try and Spell his name, either for that matter)...anyways. I'm not 'sold' on this franchise really, I watched Bats Beguines June of '05, thought 'And-?', haven't bothered w/ it since, will def. give this one a lookee too, but-always preferred Bats Forever and head on over to yet another shot of Iron Man doing the Top Gun thingie over the Mojave. You know you wanna, too.