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Cap'n Jack is Michael Mann's PUBLIC ENEMY number one!!

Anything with Depp by filmcoyote	Dec 6th, 2007 04:26:44 AM
Has me there. Hell, i even watched the last two godawful Pirates movies. Todd is brilliant. Can forgive Mann for Miami Vice and the last 30 minutes of Collateral. Sure with Depp he'll get his mojo back. One to look forward to.
Anything by Mann by codymr	Dec 6th, 2007 04:36:30 AM

Anything with Slusho by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 6th, 2007 04:42:29 AM
..is always good. Does this have Slusho. It better have Slusho.
Anything without a dumb "First!" by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 6th, 2007 04:44:23 AM
..is also good. Well done filmcoyote.
Anything that doesn't involve Michael Bay by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 6th, 2007 04:46:17 AM
..is usually a good thing. Especially if it involves big transforming robots that shout out their own names. This movie features neither which gives us all hope.
Anything that isn't coated in chocolate and pussy juice by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 6th, 2007 04:50:37 AM
...will not go past Harry Knowles' lips. And Harry likes his food so he does.
Anything that features Christian Bale is always good except... by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 6th, 2007 04:52:54 AM
...when it's directed by MCG. He could be Christian Bale's Krytonite although this is currently only a theory.
Anything that has Depp doing a strange accent by IAmMrMonkey!	Dec 6th, 2007 04:55:31 AM
..is usually a winner. There have been few exceptions to this rule. Hopefully Mann will realise this fact and make Depp do a wacky accent. I suggest something completely offbeat and strange. How about Japanese? Depp hasn't tried that one yet.
I thought WGA was on strike!!!! by IndyJonze	Dec 6th, 2007 04:56:45 AM
So much for Mann's allegiance to the WGA and the strike. This is a deal that just came together if Depp only just committed to the film. I guess he's always looked out for number one. Because, being the perfectionist that Mann is, there's no way he doesn't tinker further with the script. I hope for his sake (and the entire industry) that a deal can be reached before Mann goes into production - but when an industry icon signs onto a film during a WGA strike, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. One expects it of McG, but not Mann.
Thought for a second by kwisatzhaderach	Dec 6th, 2007 05:06:04 AM
John Barrowman was going to be in a Michael Mann film!
Forgive Mann for Miami Vice? by kwisatzhaderach	Dec 6th, 2007 05:09:25 AM
Only for making a great film that stood out in a summer of schlock.
I wish someone would paint some flames by GenreBoy	Dec 6th, 2007 05:15:20 AM
on the grown-ass babies on here. Who gives a shit about Michael Bay in a story that has Michael Mann and Johnny Depp? Honestly. I dig Mann's style, I wonder if this will be shot on those HD cameras he's been using. One things certain. It'll own Asses. Michael Bay's And the people who bitch about him.
Michael Mann is always good news... by JackPumpkinhead	Dec 6th, 2007 05:50:16 AM
(And yes, with his record, he can be forgiven for Miami Vice 2006)... John Depp, on the other hand, is nowadays always bad news.
sounds awesome by palewook	Dec 6th, 2007 06:13:25 AM
seriously. 21 jump street meets miami vice with a budget and a script.
sure, what the hell, I'll go see it by ATARI	Dec 6th, 2007 07:15:18 AM

Mann and Depp teaming up? by Motoko Kusanagi	Dec 6th, 2007 07:22:39 AM
I'll definitely watch that flick!
If It's One Thing Depp Doesn't Remotely Exude by Aquatarkusman	Dec 6th, 2007 07:29:44 AM
... it's "tough guy."
And Don't Bring Up Donnie Brasco by Aquatarkusman	Dec 6th, 2007 07:31:09 AM
Bruno Kirby with a bad toupee was 20 times more menacing than Depp.
Mann is the MAN by ZoeFan	Dec 6th, 2007 07:34:12 AM
Excluding Collateral, everything he touches is amazing.
that sounds fucking great to me by just pillow talk	Dec 6th, 2007 07:35:30 AM

Johnny Depp is a curse by Spandau Belly	Dec 6th, 2007 07:37:52 AM
He's the great actor who makes terrible movies. Other than that first Pirates movie his entire resume is full of fantastic performances in lousy movies.
Curse of Depp???? by Samuel Fulmer	Dec 6th, 2007 07:53:33 AM
Crybaby, Edward Scissorhands, What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Ed Wood, Donnie Brasco, Dead Man, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Blow, Pirates of the Caribeen Trilogy, Finding Neverland, Sleepy Hollow, and From Hell lousy movies??? Sure he did garabage like the Astronaut's Wife and Secret Window, but those are anomolies. Please put down the glass pipe pronto!!!!!
New Michael Mann projoect by Samuel Fulmer	Dec 6th, 2007 07:55:52 AM
I hope this one actually proceeds. He's been atached to a lot of stuff lately, with every single one of them falling through. If I recall he was suppossed to be working on another crime flick with De Niro called Frankie Machine and something with Will Smith called Empire.
Lousy movies?! by filmcoyote	Dec 6th, 2007 07:57:57 AM
Spandau, what about Edward Scissorhands and Ed Wood? Those are great movies
Samuel Fulmer... by ZoeFan	Dec 6th, 2007 08:00:57 AM
2 Things: Thank you for beating me to naming all Johnny Depp's good movies (Nightmare on Elm Street is an honorable mention). Second, it does seem that Michael Mann and Martin Scorsese always get linked to a million projects, but then they never come to fruition.
On an unrelated note by filmcoyote	Dec 6th, 2007 08:01:10 AM
USA today has a bunch of Speed Racer picks up. Has that been on here yet or did i miss it? They are saying "revolutionary" but looks Tron/Spy Kids style to me! Link here: http://www.usatoday.com/life/m ovies/news/2007-12-05-speed-ra cer_N.htm
DEPP + MANN = I'M THERE by BringingSexyBack	Dec 6th, 2007 08:41:32 AM
This is, in a word, awesome.
DONNIE BRASCO WAS A BIT ANTI-SEPTIC FOR A GANGSTER MOVIE by BringingSexyBack	Dec 6th, 2007 08:43:28 AM
but don't get me wrong, it's still one of my favorite movies because of Depp and Pacino's chemistry. And Ann Heche was great. But it lacked grittiness for a mafia film.
Jesus, Quint . . . by Nice Marmot	Dec 6th, 2007 08:45:15 AM
... I'm a fan of the Apatow-niverse and all but you might be the proponent that finally gets me sick of it all. It's cool you created a talk-back for Year One, but you couldn't stop dry humping it before you created this one. Grab the reigns, man . . .
I demand that Depp wear a huge clock necklace by GibsonUSA	Dec 6th, 2007 09:07:52 AM
Fight da power!!
Samuel Fulmer, filmcoyote by Spandau Belly	Dec 6th, 2007 09:21:47 AM
Samuel Fulmer, I did say that I liked the first Pirates film, but did not like the sequels. And yes, I liked What's Eating Gilbert Grape and Nightmare On Elm Street. I guess the main dividing point is whether you like Tim Burton's filmmaking and I don't. I feel he creates great atmosphere and has the good sense to keep casting Depp, who is a talented actor, but Burton just can't build a story in a way that I fidn meaningful. For some people inventive production design is enough to make a movie, and I guess those people are Tim Burton's fans. When I saw Pan's Labrynth it felt like the movie Burton has been failing to make his whole career. Pan's L made me really realize Burton's shortcomings. As for most of those other movies, I feel like they actually make my point. I don't think BLOW was very good, but had great acting from Depp and Cruz. Same goes for Donnie Brasco. Both of these movies felt like tired cliched with only good acting to redeem them. Sorta like this new American Gangster movie of Mr. Scott's. So I guess we'll just have to agree that Depp is talented, as is Michael Mann, and disagree on Depp's films. PS I have not seen Finding Neverland, it looked boring.
Miami Vice is a great movie. by FailureAtTheCave	Dec 6th, 2007 09:22:45 AM
And you are all douchebags.
Death Proof's Director on Miami Vice by Samuel Fulmer	Dec 6th, 2007 09:43:31 AM
From Film Ink magazine “Now, hands down, the movie I hated the most of this last year was Miami Vice. That was a piece of beep For so long, Michael Mann has been one of the truly great auteurs in Hollywood cinema, but I also thought that Collateral was a sell-out piece of beep He was reeling from Ali, so he obviously wanted to make a movie with the biggest movie star in the world. So he gets the first script that comes along and it’s like a poor man’s Michael Mann script. Just so he can make a hit with Tom Cruise! So I thought, ‘Okay, he’ll get his beep together again on Miami Vice…’ [Gasps] Collateral is The Insider compared to Miami Vice! Miami Vice is one of the dumbest, most beep-up, most uninvolving, no chemistry, ugly looking movies I’ve EVER seen in my life! I just had such a big emotional feeling about that film! That movie looked like such beep That cinematographer [Oscar winning Aussie Dion Beebe] is so vastly untalented. I mean, that blue smeary beep Apparently ugly is the new black!”
The hate for Miami Vice really surprised me by Spandau Belly	Dec 6th, 2007 09:51:22 AM
I could understand people who wanted more Hollywood action stuff being underwhelmed, but people HATED this movie with a passion. I really liked it, but then again I also enjoy the use of my legs which is apparently "so 90s".
QT said that!? by GravyAkira	Dec 6th, 2007 09:55:15 AM
If thats true Sam Fulmer, then I have to give my man props for sticking to Mann like that. Miami Vice was one of my most anticipated films of last year, the end result was bullshit. That movie is what has me on the fence about HD cameras. But then again, Fincher kicked ass with Zodiac. But I do expect a return to greatness Mann. No man who made Heat should have made Miami Vice.
Spandau Belly by filmcoyote	Dec 6th, 2007 09:56:26 AM
A good argument well made sir. And Finding Neverland was very dull. That fits your original statement perfectly, he's good but the film's not.
I'd like to hear Mann's thoughts on Death Proof by Spandau Belly	Dec 6th, 2007 10:36:43 AM
That would be an interesting an far less manic rebuttle. Hell, why not let Mann remake Death Proof and Quentin do his own Miami Vice flick? It could be an interesting "alternate version" deal.
Miami Vice was a gritty, deep undercover uneven masterpiece. by GQtaste	Dec 6th, 2007 10:42:51 AM
Miami Vice was a gritty, deep undercover uneven masterpiece.
Michael Mann is hit and miss by KristianUK	Dec 6th, 2007 10:55:28 AM
Heat is amazing, Ali was amazing. Collatorall was a piece of shit with so many holes it could have been a whore house and Miami Vice was an incredible let down. The trailer had me hard. The film had me inverted. Who gave a shit about the characters?? Was there any relationship at all between the two main characters??? Oh and did anything happen at fuck all???
I like the idea of "Let's switch directors". by Garbageman33	Dec 6th, 2007 10:58:19 AM
I think you could get some pretty interesting movies that way. My boss had a good call the other day. He suggested Wes Anderson do the next James Bond flick. Sure, it'd probably be a trainwreck. But it'd be amazingly art-directed.
Oh, and let's not forget "Before Night Falls". by Garbageman33	Dec 6th, 2007 11:01:15 AM
Also, Once upon a time in Mexico. In fact, Depp is almost always good as a supporting actor.
do it Sam Peckinpah style by kafka07	Dec 6th, 2007 11:25:21 AM
make it violent
Honestly, I love Michael Mann, but... by DanielKurland	Dec 6th, 2007 12:14:59 PM
ever since Miami Vice, I really find myself not caring what he's been up to. I'll check this out, but I'm going to have the lowest of expectations even though he still has a great overall body of work.
Ejo Captain Jack.. by tme2nsb	Dec 6th, 2007 12:31:53 PM
Bring me back to the Railroad track...oh wait, wrong Captain Jack...
Collateral and Miami Vice by ZoeFan	Dec 6th, 2007 12:48:59 PM
Let's get some facts straight. The Collateral script had been floating around Hollywood for about 10 years until Michael Mann picked it up. Most of the time (but not every time) a script that is floating around that long isn't worth a sh*t. So to this day it still befuddles me what Michael Mann saw in that script that no one else had the previous 10 years. Especially someone of Mann's caliber. Secondly, I think most people missed the point on Miami Vice. People generally complain there was no chemistry between Crocket and Tubbs. I tend to disagree. If you're expecting chemistry like the TV show, forget about it. It wouldn't work in the motion picture. The motion picture is portrayed in a very real life format. There's nothing real life about Don Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas's relationship in the TV version. Both Foxx and Farrell do show chemisty. But it is in subtle little moments like when Foxx reminds Farrell to not get so deep that he forgets which way is up. Remember that the Miami Vice shoot itself was completely hijacked by the fact that everything that could go wrong did, including multiple hurricanes. Therefore Mann was not able to shoot his full vision of the film.
ZoeFan by Spandau Belly	Dec 6th, 2007 01:11:44 PM
I think you're right about Miami Vice in that it was intended as a serious movie and not as a Starsky & Hutch style spoof on the 80s and some old show. Whether Mann got to film his complete vision or not, I don't know. If you something Mann intended to do with this film but couldn't because of hurricanes or whatever, please share. I kinda disagree with you on the idea that no director would touch Collateral because it was obviously "garbage". They don't make many movies like Collateral anymore, for the last ten years Hollywood has been writing movies around special effects sequences. Collateral had only old school action such as some shoot-outs and foot races. The Bourne movies are the only films I can think of from the last ten years to build entire successful films around this type of action with no big effects monsters or wire-fu or insane car stunts. And if you think Collateral is an incomprehensibly huge mis-step for an A list director, then gianormously collosal is the only term befitting Hannibal, A Good Year, The Terminal, Lady in the Water, Gangs of New York, Rollerball, Timeline, Authur and The Invisibles, and Death Proof.
Michael Mann film ranking by Samuel Fulmer	Dec 6th, 2007 01:49:24 PM

Michael Mann film ranking by Samuel Fulmer	Dec 6th, 2007 01:52:06 PM
1.Thief 2.The Insider 3.Manhunter 4.Heat 5.Last of the Mohicans 6.Miami Vice 7.Collateral 8.Ali 9.The Keep
Tommy Hanson by larry sellers homework	Dec 6th, 2007 01:53:07 PM
Are you honestly suggesting that Depp isn't badass? He fought a bear on JumpStreet. Blam.
Tarantino should ditch postmodernism by Samuel Fulmer	Dec 6th, 2007 02:00:57 PM
For at least one movie. He's spent so much time quoting film history in his past couple of films, that I think he's lost sight of making a really good movie. I really don't get why he uses Ennio Morricone's old film scores in his films. Morricone is still alive. Why not get him to write a score? Quoting music from old movies like Blow Out and The Bird With the Crystal Plummage is just going to remind audiences of better films by better filmmakers.
And by audiences I mean by Samuel Fulmer	Dec 6th, 2007 02:06:15 PM
People who have actually seen Blow Out and The Bird With the Crystal Plumage. Mann and Tarantino are interesting that they tend to deal with a lot of the same material, but they do it in two totally differnt styles. Mann is a modernist and Tarantino is a post-modernist. Mann treats violennce as something dirty, Tarantino usually (with the exception of Resevoir Dogs) treats violence as something humorous.
"Young Dillinger" with Nick Adams by Uncapie	Dec 6th, 2007 02:21:59 PM
Okay, so it hasn't got much to do with historical fact, but it does have have Robert Conrad, John Ashley and Mary Ann Mobley in their early days of acting and that makes it a guilty pelasure film. Also, John Hoyt as a lecherous doctor.
Then there's "Dillinger And Capone..." by Uncapie	Dec 6th, 2007 02:24:01 PM
With Martin Sheen as "John Dillinger" and F. Murray Abraham as "Al Capone." Hey, it was made by Roger Corman; what did you expect, "King Lear?"
Depp, you cunt, where's The Rum Diary? by Stuntcock Mike	Dec 6th, 2007 04:54:38 PM
Arr
Spandau Belly... by ZoeFan	Dec 6th, 2007 04:56:02 PM
Some info on Miami Vice: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0 ,,1217272,00.html
thanks, ZoeFan, that was enlightening by Spandau Belly	Dec 6th, 2007 05:56:15 PM
A good read, I normally hate EW, but that was pretty good. I still like the film a lot, and I think most people's problems were the tone and the lack of action and humour, so even if Mann had got to film that South American minimall shootout ending and had Foxx on location for more Cuban stuff, the people who hated this film would've still hated it. But that was interesting.
damn this sounds awesome by seabiscuits	Dec 6th, 2007 07:16:24 PM

Why the fuck is everyone trashing "Collateral"? by Burgundy82	Dec 6th, 2007 08:47:59 PM
I liked it. A lot. And I know I'm not alone on that. "Miami Vice" on the other hand? Steaming horse shit. "No chemistry" is right. If the best example you can come up with is Tubbs telling Crockett not to get in too deep (yawn), I'm really not convinced.
Burgundy82... by ZoeFan	Dec 6th, 2007 09:22:30 PM
If you're expecting a heart to heart between Crockett and Tubbs in the movie version, that's not real. In real life, cops of Crockett and Tubbs' nature are hardcore people that have to play the game. The game is not overly involved "I care about you buddy" speeches or "this girl is no good for you" speeches. Real life is an occasional reminder that if your partner is getting too deep, "remember you're a cop, do your job". As for Collateral, there's nothing to the movie. If it wasn't for Tom Cruise starring and Jamie Foxx co-starring, this movie is straight to DVD material. There's nothing intriguing about this movie at all. It's like, ohhh Tom Cruise plays a killer. SO WHAT? The story sucks and has about THE most cliched ending ever. Which is exactly why this script was floating around Hollywood for about 10 years before it got picked up by Michael Mann.
How would this fit into Depp's schedule? by Bobo_Vision	Dec 6th, 2007 09:34:05 PM
He's set to film 'Shantaram' next once that annoying strike is over, then 'Rum Diary'. So this would have to start filming in 2009 at the earliest.
Not a novel by Mgmax	Dec 6th, 2007 10:42:50 PM
It's a history of the gangsters in that era, mostly in the midwest, and the early days of the FBI.
Yeah, could be cool by Tourist	Dec 7th, 2007 12:37:23 AM
Mann is probally the most overrated director the world has ever known, but still. I would much, much rather see Depp do Shantaram first.
Mann States... by Tourist	Dec 7th, 2007 12:44:32 AM
...That he has no desire to make HD look like film. But hes more than happy to make it look like unwatchable shit.
Bobo Vision... by METHOS	Dec 7th, 2007 01:35:04 AM
Warners pulled the plug on Shantaram last month. This left a hole in Depp's schedule that gave Michael Mann an opportunity with Public Enemies. Michael Mann + Johnny Depp = Chicago 3/10/08. Watch out for the papparazzi. It'll be like last summer when Angelina Jolie was in town shooting that awful turd "Wanted." Best Wishes,
Burgundy82, I'm with you by Spandau Belly	Dec 7th, 2007 09:25:29 AM
Collateral was just a good old school action movie. It was a plot driven movie, but I guess everybody wanted an intense character drama because it was Mann. Do people complain this way about Melville's Le Samourai? or Dirty Harry? or Bullit? I love all those movies, and feel they have enough character development to make them interesting, but they are plot-driven movies. Sure, I like a movie like Five Easy Pieces, but that's not what I want all the time.
Re spoof remakes by KristianUK	Dec 7th, 2007 01:45:42 PM
Sorry but to say people were expecting a spoof remake of Miami Vice and thatis why theydont like it is bollocks. Anyone that knows Manns work knows that wouldnt happen. The trailer for Miami Vice was awesome but the film was very dissapointing. Being a good looking film isnt enough. It was the perfect example of style over substance. Im now going to compare to a big mac. The advert makes it look tasty but overall it leaves a disatisfied taste in your mouth.
Sorry that was lame by KristianUK	Dec 7th, 2007 01:46:50 PM
I should have compared it to a McChicken sandwich. But then I would be doing the sandwich an injustice.
Collateral, Heat, Thief, Manhunter were great. by Pixelsmack	Dec 7th, 2007 02:42:01 PM
Miami Vice was shit. The Insider was gnarly but he was just the Prod on that. Last of the Mochicans was even decent, but not enough so to deserve mention with the 'subjected' greats.
Damn by Bobo_Vision	Dec 7th, 2007 06:22:07 PM
This sounds like a good flick, but I was really looking forward to Shantaram. I hope it eventually gets back on track.

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