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The Descent is one of the worst...
by TheEnemy8
Dec 6th, 2007
12:34:41 AM
horror movies of this decade! This review means nothing because this guy thinks The Descent was worth watching.
The Descent was worth watching....
by CarmillaVonDoom
Dec 6th, 2007
12:35:39 AM
...you're just an asshole. :P
TheEnemy8...
by Halfbreedqueen
Dec 6th, 2007
12:36:29 AM
Nah
Do we even need to say the P word anymore?...
by bralli
Dec 6th, 2007
12:36:40 AM
....
Really liked Marshall's last film.
by LoneGun
Dec 6th, 2007
12:41:21 AM
THE DESCENT was pretty gripping throughout, though the ending was kind of strange. Overall, nicely directed. Of course, I am a huge fan of ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK. We've ridden on a pretty good wave of horror flicks this year, I think. Just saw THE MIST, another excellent addition to the genre. I hope DOOMSDAY will be another.
Saw it too..
by jmike9243
Dec 6th, 2007
01:18:48 AM
Glad to see someone agrees with me. Saw it last month at a screening. If you like Marshall, you will like this movie, If not don't see it.
ive made a few posts today..
by soup74
Dec 6th, 2007
01:28:39 AM
that i usually dont do. like here, im gonna go ahead and begrudgingly call "plant." only because he says he was told that the movie isnt completely finished, and then one of his only gripes is that the score sounded familiar. (it even used music from 28 days later!)

of course everyone that comes to this site would know thats a temp track, and you know that too, mr reviewer. it seems like a pretty obvious 'negative-yet-not-really-a-neg ative' way of making the review not all positive.
People who call "plant!"
by VegasRon
Dec 6th, 2007
01:36:44 AM
are fucking morons.
the descent was visually iventive
by BadMrWonka
Dec 6th, 2007
01:39:36 AM
but just laughably bad in terms of the plot, dialogue, acting...basically everything else...just because the cookie cutter horror movie characters were all women, they were still boring and unrealistic...truly a really bad movie masquerading as something more...

if this is more of the same, I'll pass...

vegasron..
by soup74
Dec 6th, 2007
01:56:34 AM
i usually dont call "plant" as it tends to get annoying (it seems whenever someone actually likes a movie, everyone jumps on them for being a plant.) however, i gave a good reason for why i have my suspicions with this review.

also, eat a dick.
People who call plant are nothing but fucking loser sheep
by bongo123
Dec 6th, 2007
02:00:18 AM
bandwagon jumpers of the lowest denominator.. oh this is whats cool to say this week... fucking plant! arseholes..
Worst. Review. Ever.
by xannibal
Dec 6th, 2007
02:01:03 AM
I could have wrote this based on what's at IMDB.
And Neil Marshall is fucking great btw
by bongo123
Dec 6th, 2007
02:01:53 AM
leave it to the brits to come up with original watchable low budget horror and not the straight to bottom shelf video crap you 'mericans produce
The Descent
by prbt
Dec 6th, 2007
02:08:01 AM
was screamingly average, nothing to get worked up about one way or the other.

'Cept surely the creatures were supposed to be scary, not laugh-out-loud, "you-got-to-be-kidding-me" awful..? What's frightening about people going to a Lord Of The Rings fancy-dress party?

but was it awesome?
by repligin
Dec 6th, 2007
02:08:03 AM
i find my standards for reviews have been heightened unrealistically since clover field. my ideal review uses the word awesome. it also has only one line, because any review which makes you move your eyes back to the left hand side of the page is a review thats mincing its words.
good review
by Bob10h
Dec 6th, 2007
02:14:07 AM
Did anyone really want to read another word for word description of this movie? Glad this was short and to the point, i'm there.
Mr Saxon - You fail.
by IAmMrMonkey!
Dec 6th, 2007
02:26:48 AM
Sorry bud but if you can't see the greatness of The Descent then I can't trust 90% of whatever other views you have. The Descent was a great movie and it was more than 'an hour of stupid women running around a cave before being eaten by cavemen'. It was an exercise in tension and dread. The women were far from stupid in that movie which is what made them believable, and it was scarier than about 98% of the other horror movies which came out that year or even the year before. I can accept that you might not like Dog Soldiers although it was such a fun movie that I wonder what it takes to entertain you.

Marshall is a force to be reckoned with - he's the director I'd hire if I wanted to make a good horror movie and, by the sounds of it, he's about to bring back the eighties Apocalypse movie. Who the frak doesn't like Mad Max?

The Descent rocks..
by Knockout Ned
Dec 6th, 2007
02:37:16 AM
especially with the proper UK ending. Doomsday looks to be coming along nice.
Marshall Rocks - Its simple
by MatDGZ
Dec 6th, 2007
02:39:41 AM
He has hardly any £ and makes it go all the way. He's a great writer - I defy anyone who says the script in Dog Soldiers was amazingly funny. Though most American's probably didn't get half of it... The Decent was more US friendly and I think that made a little sheepish, but I still enjoyed it. Eli Roth could learn a thing or two from Marshall. Marshall is still making his lead up films, one day he will do something truly amazing, like Carpenter did with The Thing. I look forward to Doomsday.
Oops...
by MatDGZ
Dec 6th, 2007
02:40:55 AM
I defy anyone who says the script in Dog Soldiers WASN'T amazing...come on - its like 8am here...
The Descent was great
by kwisatzhaderach
Dec 6th, 2007
02:43:25 AM
Simple film-making, perfectly structured and edited. And none of that shitty MTV editing so beloved of most horror directors today.
I can't believe this stupidity
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
03:00:58 AM
especially that prick whining about the slow build up. Idiot.

The Descent was fabulous- if derivative, it was a great little low budget movie. Stick to your Eli Roth/ Rob Zombie Torture Porn drivel.

Dog Soldiers, is a rollicking little film- it is obvious they had no money, but had a lot of fun. The script sparkles with comic moments- but these might be too British for Americans.

Fingers crossed that Doomsday rocks and Marshall gets given the next Alien film.

but this review is a tad plant-y
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
03:02:52 AM
which is a shame. I hope he is right and not a fucking marketing shill. That would make me sad.
Jarv...Another Alien Film??? WTF BOOM
by redfist
Dec 6th, 2007
03:05:58 AM
I hope that 20th Century Assrape just lets it die. AvP2 should be a nice little death song...more like a death whimper.
Hostel 2 was better than The Descent
by Spazatronic 2000
Dec 6th, 2007
03:07:09 AM
fact.
Great, sounds this uber-exploitation-mashup has hit the mark
by KillaKane
Dec 6th, 2007
03:12:52 AM
Was hoping that the initial negative reviews would give way to positives after further editiorial refinement and post. Really looking forward to this, Marshall is in a league of his own, Brit geeks have championed him as a promising genre director in the mould of Carpenter et Al. Doomsday sounds like a geeky potboiler of Mad Max 2, EFNY, No Escape, Precinct 13 and Fulci's Contagion, I'm sure there are a myriad number of references in there for fans to pick-up on.
Hostel2 better than Descent???
by Fortunesfool
Dec 6th, 2007
03:36:00 AM
Ha, Haaa. Jeez. You're funny.That cheered me up. Nice one, guy who clearly hasn't seen enough films and knows nothing about how to put together a good one.
It's "has BEEN screened"
by random dude
Dec 6th, 2007
03:36:10 AM
How can a movie screen itself? Respect the language, fuckers.
The descent was great
by Berbs
Dec 6th, 2007
03:42:47 AM
It started off very badly and got worse with some sh#te, TV soap level acting. When they got in the cave though...... scares, violence, humour. I had a great time. Hostel 2 was just a bad remake of an average film. Not fact, just my opinion. Oh, and what the hell is going on with that Eli Roth trailer film? It's a pretty fun idea, but box office turkey or straight to DVD? Take your pick.
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda
by Dr Uwe Boll
Dec 6th, 2007
03:50:21 AM
I keep waiting for Marshall to make a film that wholly works and I'll keep on watching regardless of reviews but... "The Descent is by far one of the finest horror movies of this decade." - Maybe, but if that were the case it simply proves that the last decade has been a truly shithouse one for horror. Hostel 2 comes alive in the last 30 minutes but yeah, it is a meh remake of a not so spectacular (but not too bad) film (seeing Matarazzo die in 2 was the highlight). I thought a lot of Descent looked a lot like an overblown episode of X Files (with all the faults and qualities you could find therein).
The US of ANUS
by OttopartS
Dec 6th, 2007
04:10:04 AM
didnt like the descent because they couldn't relate to the characters: a realistic, believable group of women who were portrayed in such as way as to make you care about what happened to them. For a change. "and whats with that ending limey?! she shoulda escaped and walked off into the sunrise and shit." No. she remains underground and finally succumbs to hallucinations of her dead child triggered by the trauma she has had to endure. Look at the film's title: THE DESCENT. (clunk-click-whirrrr) Oh yeah, INTO MADNESS!!!!!.....yeah? See, us brits like to make films that encourage viewers to use their brains a little, rather than have their entertainment spoonfed to them, like the invalid imaginations that make up 70% of the american viewing public.
WHAT?????
by EdmundoDupont
Dec 6th, 2007
04:27:16 AM
What are you people talking about? The Descent was a damn fine horror film full of scares, atmosphere and tension. Furthermore, it was an absolute breath of fresh air to see a fright-flick that relied on deft filmmaking rather than naked women being killed in the most graphic and grotesque ways imaginable. Sure, films like 'Hostel' make you recoil in horror... but that's because they're fucking horrific - not scary. It's hard not to have a visceral reaction to a film when they're making you look at fucking viscera. The Descent was a genuinely creepy film that didn't wholly rely on gore and that's why I place it above all the bloody abominations that are being churned out by Hollywood hacks. Seriously, I'd hate to meet the script-shiters that dredge up these atrocities... luckily, I probably will never be afforded that opportunity seeing as, in all likelihood, they're all holed up in their mum's basement, jerking off to 2 girls 1 cup.
Marshall is already on the level of early John Carpenter...
by Messiahman
Dec 6th, 2007
04:53:31 AM
Both DOG SOLDIERS and THE DESCENT were stellar films, marking the emergence of one of the best genre directors in at least twenty years. Marshall is the real deal, and those two films alone are already on their way to well-deserved classic status. Frankly, I question the taste of anyone who claims they "suck." Indeed, it would seem that the only taste these folks have is in their mouths.
The Descent owns.
by palewook
Dec 6th, 2007
05:16:51 AM
If you think it sucks, go watch some michael bay shit and think you know what you are talking about.

Looking forward to DDay. Marshall makes movies for dudes. if you don't like his stuff, go watch some lifetime.

Talking Yuccas are cool.
by TomBodet
Dec 6th, 2007
06:13:52 AM
C'mon you know it's true. As for this-eh, no.
anyone seen SHROOMS?
by OttopartS
Dec 6th, 2007
06:23:16 AM
now THERE's one shitty anus of a film. Horror films work best when there are no americans in them, because let's face it: no-one gives two shits what happens to americans these days.
ottoparts and redfist
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
06:32:55 AM
Redfist- yes, another Alien that follows on after Resurrection- and completely ignores the existance of the 2 atrocities that shall forever be nameless.

Otto- does Shrooms really suck, I fell for the strapline and have just managed to talk the wife into seeing it, I could have sworn it would be a tongue in cheek Friday 13 style slasher.... If it is shite then I'll find something else

Lost Jarv
by OttopartS
Dec 6th, 2007
06:38:35 AM
I too was sucked in by the concept. The execution however, does not follow through. If you absolutely HAVE to see it then watch it online for free and save your money at least. I can't speak for your wife, though in my experience women will happily watch any old crap as long as they can ask banal questions throughout. The Tripper is a much better Drugs Horror, with the added bonus of being halfway intelligent.
Litmus test for life.
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
06:53:20 AM
Seriously, if anyone says they hated The Descent or didn't find the original BBC The Office to be funny, I will have nothing to do with them since their critical thinking and severly crippled mental faculties make them impossible to trust.

I've put this to the test myself, and in every case these people have turned out to be shallow, uninteresting, dull and possibly perverted individuals.

I once knew this girl
by OttopartS
Dec 6th, 2007
07:00:42 AM
who hated Withnail & I and thought Monty Python was stupid and childish. She was indeed shallow, uninteresting, and dull; but refused to do anything kinkier than a standard missionary fuck with the lights off.
"standard missionary fuck with the lights off"
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
07:01:46 AM
That IS perverted!
ye gods!
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
07:09:38 AM
is that what people do now?

This is a local TB for Local people, we'll have none of that talk here.

(I add League of Gentlemen to that litmus test)

Otto- to be fair- the missus LOVES the descent. She describes it as a welcome change from all the Torture Porn dreck masquerading as horror that you see nowadays. She remains unconvinced by the awesomeness of the Leprechaun series, though.

and How can someone not like Withnail and I
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
07:10:17 AM
some poeple *shakes head in bemusement*
the problem with the Litmus test, Doc,
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
07:12:33 AM
is that M-O-M loves the Descent and The office (although I don't think he understands the latter- someone just told him he "should" like it, as it is important).

So the odd complete cunt does indeed slip through.

"I add League of Gentlemen to that litmus test"
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
07:12:45 AM
Err... in the correct manner, I hope.
Holy crap!
by radio1_mike
Dec 6th, 2007
07:13:09 AM
The guy who DOG SOLDIERS made THE DESCENT? Holy crap! DS was a total delight to watch, so much so that I even bought it. TD was awesome. I like everything about it. And now he's doing my favorite genre, end-of-the-world? Shit. I may just have to beat off after posting this message.
re M-O-M...
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
07:13:56 AM
...He fails at everything else, so it's okay.
THE DESCENT
by OttopartS
Dec 6th, 2007
07:18:33 AM
Was the first film in years that put the shits up me. Absolutely fantastic horror, and indeed a far cry from the so called torture porn efforts that people such as Eli Roth perpetually fail to get right. It's certainly been an eye-opener reading this talkback. Speaking of british horror, did anyone else notice the blatant theft and direct application of the score from the original WICKER MAN to the soundtrack of HOSTEL II?
Comparing Descent to Hostel is embarrassing
by cowboyone
Dec 6th, 2007
07:21:18 AM
It's a generational divide. The wizened, older generation of real horror fans (Descent) as opposed to the juvenile new-gen torture porn fans.
Would anyone like some veggies with their omlet?
by Turd Furgeson
Dec 6th, 2007
07:30:05 AM
this morning??? I can get some off this PLANT...
no, I didn't notice the theft
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
07:32:38 AM
because I hated Cabin Fever. Then like a dick I fell for the hype surrounding Hostel and hated it even more. So have not seen Hostel 2 and will take a large bet that I never see anything else the talentless little shitweasel puts out.

I'd rather watch Creep again than Hostel 2 and Creep is one of the most painfully awful movies I've ever seen.

Creep!
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
07:49:13 AM
What shit! It's like the anti-Descent. Also starring that wanker from the Natalie Imbruglia video.
fucking horrible
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
07:57:40 AM
it married the bat people from The Descent (which were the weakest bit of the film) to torture porn. No wonder it sucked balls.

What was Lola doing in it?

Those of you dissing The Descent...
by Billy The Fish
Dec 6th, 2007
08:04:17 AM
...must be American teenagers, right? What's the matter - not comfortable with ballsy women characters? Not enough silicon-titted airheads getting slashed up for your taste? Or is it that your in-built attention defecit disorders can't let you deal with having to follow a plot where there isn't a telegraphed jump-scare every five minutes? Marshall rocks, and Rhona Mitra (the REAL Lara Croft) deserves her crack at the big time. Doomsday - bring it on!
*Pokes hand up and whispers* I liked SHROOMS...
by IAmMrMonkey!
Dec 6th, 2007
08:08:50 AM
I'm not saying it's the best movie I've ever seen or even a great horror movie but I enjoyed the ride. Yeah, the acting was a bit sloppy, it didn't need to be set in Ireland, and the ending was highly derivative of a far superior movie... but I still liked it. It was nicely directed, the bad guy was pretty awesome and it held my attention. I'd rather watch SHROOMS again than HOSTEL.

Sue me.

"deserves her crack at the big time."
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
08:09:46 AM
Indeed she does, almost as much as I deserve her crack, big time.
LOL pazuzu
by OttopartS
Dec 6th, 2007
08:15:34 AM
Monkey
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
08:16:37 AM
I'd rather watch almost anything than Hostel-

think i'll just wait for shrooms on DVD.

Jarv
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
08:26:09 AM
Kloipy found the Lep box set!
I KNOW
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
08:35:25 AM
YES!!!!!

pity it isn't region 2 though.

Ha! Your region codes...
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
08:43:40 AM
...are as the buzzing of flies to me.
hmmph
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
08:44:49 AM
Don't you live in the UK?
Um, many people loved The Descent Enemy9
by Frank Black
Dec 6th, 2007
08:46:01 AM
Your statement should read "I didn't like the Descent" because your opinion is subjective and the fact is no one is qualified to state the quality of art because it varies from person to person. I LOVED The Descent! See, but that is just my opinion.
The descent....
by Madrizzle
Dec 6th, 2007
08:47:54 AM
...was horrible. never understood why it gets so much acclaim by horror fans. weak plot, weak acting, weak "monsters", weak ending....just bad bad bad....the same as every other horror released that year imo. as for dog soldiers. seriously. shame on you guys for liking that half baked steaming piece of shit. Bring back phantasm i say. no-ones made a decent horror movie for years now. its pitiful.
No, I don't...
by DocPazuzu
Dec 6th, 2007
08:50:01 AM
...but in R2 land, just the same. Still, no matter where I'm living at any given time, I am never without a region free PAL/NTSC DVD player.
I also have a region 1 player
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
08:53:15 AM
but I have 2 rooms with tellys- only one of which works the region 1.
Madrizzle...
by Frank Black
Dec 6th, 2007
09:30:15 AM
You almost discredited yourself but then you name-dropped Phantasm and showed you appreciate the good stuff. The Descent wasn't bad but I can see how you wouldn't like it if you were starving for some sweet flying orbs!!! Peace!
Madrizzle
by Lost Jarv
Dec 6th, 2007
09:45:53 AM
Dog Soldiers is not a horror movie- It's a comedy/ war movie. All it really wants to be is a rollicking little film.

If you don't "get" the humour in it, I can understand this as it is very anglo-centric (Spoon shouting Football Hooligan chants when trying to get the wolves to chase him, the other links to football- "They Think It's all over, it is now" used as the last kill line) then fair enough.

It was not shit. Not on any level at all.

Phantasm is great however.

That's Just PLANTASICT!!!!!
by Bill Brasky
Dec 6th, 2007
10:35:48 AM
Here's to Bill Brasky!!!
Neil Marshall - The new Carpenter.
by Christopher3
Dec 6th, 2007
10:42:10 AM
I hereby annoint thee.
People, calling "The Descent" poor...
by joergn
Dec 6th, 2007
10:42:28 AM
are just a bunch of idiots, having no taste in good movies or whatsoever. "The Descent" wasn´t original (which one is nowadays), but I was well directed, had a strong cast and delivered the chills and thrills. The Rest of you...keep watching remake-shit like TCM, Hitcher and whatever and leave the good stuff, who know what the are dealing with, suckers!
And BTW,
by joergn
Dec 6th, 2007
10:45:05 AM
the ending (of "The Descent" was just perfect! Unless you´ve seen the ballless Happy-Ending version for the US-audience!
TheEnemy responds:
by TheEnemy8
Dec 6th, 2007
01:34:35 PM
No. The Descent was crap and belongs with all the other crappy horror stuff we've seen. The acting was okay but not at all good, the writing/dialogue was awful, the monsters were meh, the story was meh, the motivations of the characters were meh. And I hate, HATE that it took an HOUR to see the first monster. That's fucking stupid. We didn't need that long to get to know these lame 2D characters. I'll give it this though: the fact that it's in a cave is awesome and there is some good cinematography inside of the cave. I'll give it that but just that.
Still looking forward to Doomsday.
by Fist Dirtbox
Dec 6th, 2007
01:51:18 PM
Dog Soldiers was great fun, The Descent was intense and scary so I'm hoping Marshall can keep up the good work. Kinda suprised people are still pissing and moaning about Creep. Its uneven, and has an oddly unsympathetic protagonist in the normally reliable Potente, but its far from bottom-of-the-barrel as far as low budget Brit horrors go. Smith seems to be improving also, as his follow-up Severance was a lot better all round.
I don't know what to think.
by Kurzinski Valentine
Dec 6th, 2007
03:05:07 PM
I fucking HATED Dog Soldiers. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. But then again, I LOVED The Descent. There's such a massive difference in quality there, that I don't know what to expect from Doomsday. I'm going to be optimistic, but if it's anything like Dog Soldiers, count me right the fuck out.
BIG MISTAKE IN THAT PLANT REVIEW
by Ray Gamma
Dec 6th, 2007
03:12:17 PM
FIRST HE SAYS HE WENT IN HAVING NOT READ ANY REVIEWS, THEN LATER HE SAYS HE'D EXPECTED IT TO BE A BAD MOVIE BASED ON THE SHITTY REVIEWS HE'D READ.

YOU FUCKING LIAR. YOU MADE THE WHOLE THING UP. PLANT CUNT.

LOL Plant Cunt.
by OttopartS
Dec 6th, 2007
03:46:30 PM
i never thought in my life id live to hear somebody called that. i hope they use it as a kill-quip in the inevitable day of the triffids remake.
TheEnemy8
by pdennett316
Dec 6th, 2007
03:49:54 PM
Please tell me, what would you consider to be a well acted and well written horror movie? I only ask because your criticisms fall blatantly into the camp of "didn't get it, so trashes it because it makes him feel stupid". The motivations of the characters were fine and dandy, the acting was extremely good because it felt natural - not OTT screaming and yowling while trying to ensure the camera gets their best sides, but actual, honest to bollocks, makes you do stupid shit in order to survive terror. Marshall has a talent seemingly lost on a huge portion of directors nowadays - making a horror movie scary. And not just with loud booming noises over the soundtrack either. I know everyones tastes are different, and there's no accounting for them, but bloody hell man!!! PS, Dog Soldiers was fantastic, end of story. "I hope I give you the shits you fucking wimp!!"
Oh, also
by pdennett316
Dec 6th, 2007
03:51:30 PM
This Doomsday sounds grand, looking forward to Marshall making it 3 out of 3.
Ray Gamma
by Kurzinski Valentine
Dec 6th, 2007
03:56:22 PM
He said after he watched it, he went back and read the shitty reviews. You idiot.
Eli Roth = shit for brains
by m_prevette
Dec 6th, 2007
04:06:12 PM
Anyone who likes anything by Eli Roth has taste for shit. The guy is the biggest no-talent shit for brains hack to make it in Hollywood in some time. Cabin Fever is the WORST pile of steaming shit I've ever seen. Don't even get started on the torture porn he's cranked out since then. He has no idea - at all - how to make a horror film. He's a fanboy with a camera. That's all. His career will go belly up soon. But not soon enough.
Quint, were you drunk...
by DannyOcean01
Dec 6th, 2007
04:34:31 PM
When you uploaded this review? Biggest plant ever. I mean ffs, how many mediocre reviews have we had for this film, and ooops, along comes this one. Good grief man.
you take this seriously I see
by metaluna
Dec 6th, 2007
04:36:20 PM
A monkey can direct a horror movie. In fact, they do all the time. Witness Uwe Boll, Paul Andersen, Neil Marshall... whats the name of that fuckwit heavy metal singer? Oh I dunno but he's shit too. Anyway. These things are not to be taken seriously kids. They say nothing of life. Nothing. So why care? It's bargain basement stuff no one will remember in 10 years time. You are the new Carpenter? Jesus, what an accolade.
Not a plant, just a shit review
by GrandMuffTarkin
Dec 6th, 2007
04:37:17 PM
What the fuck does this mean: "it’s an action movie, the kind we haven't seen in a long time. It’s a movie made by a guy who loves the same movies I do. It’s a movie for fans made by a fan." Thanks, that tells me jack shit about what this movie is about.
Hostel 2
by brucecampbell
Dec 6th, 2007
04:50:06 PM
Much better than people give it credit for. But the Descent is easily better.
What the fuck...?
by VegasRon
Dec 6th, 2007
07:55:03 PM
When did it become cool to slam Dog Soldiers and The Descent?

Someone mentioned litmus test. Hell yes, for sterilization and the right to render your feeble ass opinions online or in any forum ever again. Get off Roth and Zombie's ballsacks, you fucking morons.

The Descent
by mrbonefish
Dec 6th, 2007
09:37:17 PM
was a great flick. The haters are just assholes. Simple as that.
Why the Descent bugs me...
by TheEnemy8
Dec 7th, 2007
12:28:02 AM
Although it has some merit (like when she jams that tool through her friends throat) it suffers from common bad movie formula and cliches. like, big time. it has the lame scares and music cues and just didn't deliver. The scariest narrative I saw this year was Death Proof. That shit was just TENSE. TENSE. that felt more real (i guess, more amazing) that anything in the descent.
neither Dog Soldiers nor Descent sell this to me, BUT...
by Maniaq
Dec 7th, 2007
01:37:20 AM
all the right Carpenter flicks were mentioned (except The Thing!) and They Live is also a personal favourite of mine AND I do miss the post apocalyptic pulp fiction that was killed off by the likes of BladeRunner in the mid eighties...

Dog Soldiers was just one werewolf movie too many in a long line of tired old cliche'd werewolf movies and there's no way I'm sitting through a two hour Descent into nuthin but oestrogen - but THIS I could really sink my teeth into!

swerv, just tell me one thing - what was your opinion of one of my all time favourite of the genre - Damnation Alley?

yer, I know that's gonna attract a few flames, but I never said it was a GOOD genre, just that I liked it!
Damnation Alley...
by VegasRon
Dec 7th, 2007
01:53:05 AM
...was awesome when I was 12.

Not so much as an adult.

Your critiques of both Dog Soldiers and The Descent tell me either you didn't see either flick or are, in fact, a 12-year-old.

Enemy
by Lost Jarv
Dec 7th, 2007
02:50:35 AM
You have no understanding of Horror at all and are, in fact, 12. One of the Descent's finest features is the sense of dread through claustrophobia that builds up before the monsters appear- see Alien for a similar time lag.

And Memories- Kiss my arse, the point I was trying to make is that Dog Soldiers is a war movie with Werewolves in it. The early scenes with the squaddies function as a proper war movie should. It isn't a horror movie with squaddies.

You see the difference?


by Dr Uwe Boll
Dec 7th, 2007
02:54:50 AM
Apparently you're either 12, obsessed with torture porn or hate horror movies if you don't like The Descent. I did like Dog Soldiers (hokey fun) but it's hardly a classic. Marshall is OK but not a great Director. Reflecting on the comparisons with Carpenter I can see it - if you think Dark Star/Assault (two films I like) - but not Halloween or The Thing (Nothing Marshall has ever directed has even come close - will ever come close). And now, apparently he's doing his "Escape". More power to him - seriously - but just don't give me the pious bullshit about Marshall being "great" or how his films represent some "intelligent alternative" to torture porn (what a fucking load of shite - Descent is full of $1.50 gore effects). As a filmmaker he's no Friedkin (he's not even at the Sorcerer level - seriously - watch it and learn how to make a bad good film), he doesn't have the raw edge of a TCM era Tobe Hooper (he doesn't have Carpenters ingenuity either folks), he sure as hell aint no Cronenberg, and his films aren't half the mindfuck grand old man Kubrik's were - and I'm sure (if I could be bothered getting up and looking at my DVD's) that I could come up with many more. He does love what he makes (clearly) and he has a passion for it, in Dog Soldiers that passion more than makes up for the fucked (yes I said "fucked") acting/script writing and BBC TV level camera work/cinematography. In the Descent he took Veronica Cartwrights character in Alien and made a whole fucking film filled with women just like her - screaming females do not constitute "strong" female characters - please see in no particular order: Klute, Silence of the Lambs, Aliens, Kill Bill etc. Enough'a my bitchin'. And the "original" ending only adds depth if you're unfamiliar with "twist" concepts as used by a TV show "us" old timers loved called The Fucking Twilight Zone. Flame Away!
Dr. Uwe Boll
by Lost Jarv
Dec 7th, 2007
03:23:06 AM
Just a quick correction: The Descent is not torture Porn- for the simple reason that in torture porn the gore and torture are the sole reason for the film's existance. The Descent could have no gore whatsoever and still function.

I do agree that Marshall is not one of the greats yet- but he is the only young horror director with the potential to be the next carpenter.

Strong female characters in the descent: Juno, (a complete cunt but still... ain't no screaming from her), Holly- pre accident, and even Sarah. Even the screaming ones that are basically cannon fodder have moments of strength (What's her name crossing the overhang)

Not all the screaming cliche you think?

With Dog Soldiers- the camera work is not great, but the script sparkles- see the above arguments about humour. I'd actually put Dog Soldiers on the same level as Dark Star, (a great start) and The Descent is a serious development- Let's see what the man can do in the future- I'll bet certainly more than Roth, Zombie and the rest of the Torture Porn fools.

And Death Proof was Tense, Enemy? get off tarantino's cock and recgnise that it was awful, turgid shite. DId you sneak in to your first "18" in the multiplex?

Lost Jarv
by Dr Uwe Boll
Dec 7th, 2007
03:42:50 AM
All good points. Descent was moody and atmospheric and yep, it could certainly function without its slimier moments which a film like Hostel could most certainly not. I do think Marshall could have given us significantly more character development in Descent and that lack (in my mind) is one of the films weakest elements. Regardless, I wish Marshall all the best (he's an individual talent whose films stand out) and I'll be plunking down my cashola to check out DD and whatever film he produces next.
"Death Proof...felt more real...than anything in The Descent"
by IAmMrMonkey!
Dec 7th, 2007
03:44:22 AM
I'm so glad that we aren't friends Enemy8 or we would have tons of arguments and end up killing each other. I won't start on my disappointment with Death Proof here, but I will say that the whole movie was NOWHERE near as intense or frightening as The Descent. If it was a person, it would shining The Descent's shoes.
Dr. Uwe
by Lost Jarv
Dec 7th, 2007
04:04:49 AM
a civilised conversation on AICN? Lawks!

The supporting cast in The Descent could have done with some more fleshing out, but it was certainly the best horror film of the 21st Century so far. (And with the unmitigated pish that is calling itself horror it is likely to remain so). See you in the queue for DD then!

BTW do we get it before the US?

LOL
by Dr Uwe Boll
Dec 7th, 2007
04:28:36 AM
Best horror film of the 21st Century so far, lol. Ok, hands down you win on that one. If anyone knows where and when Doomsday will first screen they seem to be keeping it pretty quiet (I've read May but no location) - there's not even a hint at the distributors site. I'd imagine UK will see it first though.
I heard march initially.
by Lost Jarv
Dec 7th, 2007
04:39:31 AM
It's bound to be sometime around easter.

Hey- it isn't my fault this decade has been pretty fucking ordingary for horror films- put it this way, if you had to choose would you rather watch The Descent again or Creep?

Creep
by Dr Uwe Boll
Dec 7th, 2007
04:56:19 AM
Haven't seen Creep (or Severance) yet. I will though and I'm sure when I do they'll be as wretched as talkbackers suggest. It may embolden you somewhat to know that I actually do have a bona fide copy of Descent (the version lacking the commentary sadly) and Dog Soldiers (the version with - including Marshalls great pub-set short film). I can always slap it on to do a scene by scene comparison - but yeah, I'm sure Marshall will outclass Creep (how can you fuck up a horror film set in the underground???).
by making it torture porn
by Lost Jarv
Dec 7th, 2007
05:06:54 AM
Awful crap.

from the moment when her coke addled co-worker tries to rape her in the empty carriage to the end it is complete shit.

A real horror movie is getting the fucking tube in rush hour. That's soms scary, dirty, grimy, shit.

This sounds like I don't think the descent is great
by Lost Jarv
Dec 7th, 2007
06:14:24 AM
I do- I just don't think it is perfect.

It is one of my favourite films of 2005

Memories-
by Lost Jarv
Dec 7th, 2007
07:17:02 AM
This is not an attack- take it as constructive criticism, but you've just demonstrated exactly why I call you a hypocrite, I'll use 2 examples from your recent posts:

firstly, to Mr. Saxon- "Your loss, idiot." This post is actually deeply condescending. Because he didn't like the descent doesn't necessarily make him an idiot. When I used it above, I was referring directly to the cretin (the Enemy) with his "And I hate, HATE that it took an HOUR to see the first monster"- who managed to show all the critical faculties of a lemon. Call him an idiot, fine, he obviously is- as this is a view he has said before. Mr Saxon on the other hand just doesn't like it- fair enough, it doesn't automatically make him stupid

2)To Metaltuna: "Congratalations, you personify snobery condescendence to a T." Actually, you personify condescension to a T, as your above post demonstrated.

How can you not see the hypocrisy in this post.

Do you understand now?

And agreeing with someone is entirely different. I frequently agree with many of the things you type, just I find your attitude irksome.

This was put to you calmly and rationally, so please think about the post.

M-O-M you fucking asshole.
by DocPazuzu
Dec 7th, 2007
08:22:03 AM
For all the reasons Jarv just mentioned. Could it possibly be that you just don't understand how offensive you are? Is it an Asperger's thing or something? Or is it just a matter of you being a complete shit? I'm starting to lean more and more towards you simply being a shit. Or a cunt. As it were.
dogsoldiers, descent, doomsday
by kaspianwithak
Dec 7th, 2007
10:27:09 AM
Neil marshall's 3D trilogy? dogsoldiers had two memorable moments for me, the slashing open of the sarge's stomach early on and the photographs at the end. Otherwise it just kept not rising to the occasion, oh yeah, and the cover art was awesome. The Descent - A dramatic escalation in quality of production without a significant increase in budget. Plus the story is gripping, as opposed to just leading you along from one gory/scary/boo moment to the next. A lot of other reasons it's fantastic, but they've been discussed already, and if you discount them and still say it's garbage, we won't see eye to eye. I could care less for any of the reviews on this site (it's aint it cool news, not aint it cool reviews ) and this one is more pointless than most, because everyone has to draw their own conclusions and it gives us nothing we didn't already know...still can't wait to see this (possible BNAT title? considering the theme...)
re: my last...
by kaspianwithak
Dec 7th, 2007
10:27:30 AM
sorry for the verbosity
Escape From New York Remake...
by DC Films
Dec 8th, 2007
05:12:50 AM
could be directed by Marshall - he'd be far better than the names attached so far. I'd like to see him use Kevin McKidd (Rome, Dog Soldiers) as Snake - a different look, but that might be a good thing - and he's definately bad-ass enough. Failing that Marshall should hire Josh Brolin for the job. BTW, i'm looking forward to D'day!
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