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What? Peter Jackson's THE HOBBIT in 3-D shot in 2009? Is this rumor true?

The next STAR WARS? by Mace Tofu	Dec 1st, 2007 06:00:27 PM
could be...
That's just crazy hyperbole by The Dude Abides	Dec 1st, 2007 06:01:34 PM
oh, but what if?
Aitn' It Cool No-News... by Animorganimate	Dec 1st, 2007 06:02:46 PM
Thanks for that little bit of nothingness today. Too bad too...that would have been cool if true.
New Line must be getting nervous by Mace Tofu	Dec 1st, 2007 06:09:24 PM
and floating this offer as wishful thinking. The BO on their fantasy films of late has been poor. Giving Jackson his due on the RINGS $$$ would of been a small price to pay based on what these 2 films would of made for New Line but it looks like it could be too late for them and Jackson will wait for the rights to revert then Fuck them real good when his versions clean up at the BO. I can wait for the "GOOD" version of THE HOBBIT lol.
I Just saw THE HOBBIT in 3-D by Darth-Mike	Dec 1st, 2007 06:10:02 PM
in a small screening room at New Line Cinema headquarters. IT WAS AWESOME!
I already saw it!, check the "AWESOME" talkback by The_Hypnotoad	Dec 1st, 2007 06:15:36 PM
AWESOMO!!!
i just read this article by noiretblanc	Dec 1st, 2007 06:19:17 PM
and thought, "ain't it awesome news"
2 parts? by damagedinc	Dec 1st, 2007 06:19:22 PM
milk, milk-milk-milk-milk. 2 parts is just plain unnecesary. That cash cow is running dry.
2 part? by comedian_x	Dec 1st, 2007 06:21:39 PM
I believe that story can be easily done in a 2 hour and 45 minute movie. The universe and 2 of the main character are already established.
Fuck this 3d bullshit! by alienindisguise	Dec 1st, 2007 06:25:21 PM
Just make a good fucking movie and you wouldn't have to worry about using such a lame gimmick
Lovely Bones has been filming near me by Bubba Gillman	Dec 1st, 2007 06:27:30 PM
(Philadelphia area). Not sure if principal photography has been completed, but it's been filming for a while. Can't believe it will take until 2009 to complete, post production notwithstanding.
I'm gonna get ripped apart for this but... by Ironhelix	Dec 1st, 2007 06:34:45 PM
I don't understand why everyone is so ape-shit for the LotR series. The first one was pretty good, but I feel like the series as a whole TOTALLY missed the feel of the books. I understand that it's an adaptation, but I felt like Jackson tried to cram way too much action into the films. I went back and reread the battle at Helms Deep, and Tolkien doesn't spend nearly as much time on it as the films did, and Legolas being a fucking Jedi/ninja was just a little over the top for me. Gimli was all fucked up for me too, and was pretty much relegated to comic relief. I really don't know how to describe it, but the books had much more of a sense of wonder about things, and the movies just played like an over-the-top action movie.
I was watching Beowulf the other night by TheNorthlander	Dec 1st, 2007 06:35:37 PM
and I was actually thinking that 3D mocap would be a great way to do The Hobbit; it would allow Ian Holm to still play Bilbo and McKellen to play Gandalf without age being a problem, and it could, just like Beowulf, turn out to be Awsome!
And another thing... by Ironhelix	Dec 1st, 2007 06:37:21 PM
I once read that the guy who did Master and Commander was being considered for the Hobbit. I would rather see HIM try than Jackson...
Wow we dodged a bullet! by Pipple	Dec 1st, 2007 06:37:32 PM
Jackson's tedious, overdone version of king kong permanently put me off this overly indulgent director.
Quint, you asshole by blackhole4140	Dec 1st, 2007 06:38:17 PM
great reporting there. get people's hopes up with the headline, then dash them with the last paragraph of the article. Here's your next one:"Sam Raimi to shoot Evil Dead 4 summer of 2008?!"
Ironhelix by TheNorthlander	Dec 1st, 2007 06:39:56 PM
I see what you're saying. If the movies had been made by, say Zhang Yi Mou, they would have probably felt more "adult" and more like the books. But the fact that they weren't alone does not make them good or bad. Gimli worked well as a comic relief in the movies and have you tried sitting through a 4 hour epic without comic relief? Have you watched Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet lately? What works in a novel is not the same thing as what works in a movie.
So it's a story, that isn't a story by SoylentMean	Dec 1st, 2007 06:40:51 PM
Huh.
TheNorthlander by Ironhelix	Dec 1st, 2007 06:49:56 PM
I hear you. It's a book adaptation, so my take on the story was just different from the movie. Given the enormous potential to fuck the whole thing up beyond recognition, it's a miracle they turned out as well as they did.
Re: LOTR by TheNorthlander	Dec 1st, 2007 06:53:47 PM
Hey - It's the new Star Wars.
story of a non-story by Quint	Dec 1st, 2007 06:53:55 PM
It's actually there to debunk the rumor that has been floating around. If only to save the second wave of 200 emails demanding why we aren't printing this "news." The story is that Peter's camp debunked this rumor, which is beginning to be reported as fact. Didn't mean to trick or cock-tease.
Then Quint... by Flaggg	Dec 1st, 2007 06:56:49 PM
... you need to rephrase your subject lines. Instead of putting a "Is this rumor true?" you should write, "This is rumor." Otherwise, you're just being a cock tease with no follow through. And everyone HATES a fucking cock tease.
i want this movie done by LegoKenobi	Dec 1st, 2007 06:57:00 PM
and i want it done by peter. but please by all that is holy under the watchful eye of eru, PLEASE do not make this a two-parter with a gratuitous aragorn storyline thrown in.
Keep the Hobbit under 3 hours please by MattmanReturns	Dec 1st, 2007 06:57:22 PM
We don't need an epic CG scene of dwarves dropping plates in Bilbo Baggins house. Jackson got a little carried away with King Kong.
The slow, arduous, grating sound... by DocPazuzu	Dec 1st, 2007 07:02:55 PM
...of stone against stone is heard coming from the mist-enshrouded cemetery. The greasy, hairy-palmed hands pushing the sarcophagus lid aside grasp the side of the coffin and painfully pull the grave's unholy occupant upright. Its glistening, misshapen head quivers in quiet lust as its senses come alive. Somewhere, somehow, a call has gone forth, a beacon so irresistible that death has had to step back in order for it to be answered. A charnel gust of fetid air is expelled from its ghastly maw, along with rivulets of half-digested semen, instantly withering the leaves on the willow drooping from above. A new, tremulous breath is drawn into cracked, shriveled lungs only to be expelled once more, this time forming the vague and crude semblance of a single word... "Jaaaaaacksssssooonnnn.....!" Across the land, kittens and puppies die in the helpless arms of weeping children. Ringwearer9 has risen again.
LOTR Extended? Oh good.. MORE walking... by LargoJr	Dec 1st, 2007 07:07:43 PM
I am willing to say that it looks like Golden Compass learned from ALL the mistakes that were made with LOTR.. and is the film all the screaming fandorks had WISHED LOTR had been. LOTR was poorly cast, badly told, and largely over-hyped. Lets move ON shall we please?
will there be gay hobbits? by Prossor	Dec 1st, 2007 07:09:49 PM
bisexual elves? curious wizards?
DUDE! There is only ONE Return... by LargoJr	Dec 1st, 2007 07:14:11 PM
And thats JEDI... now go barf in impotent rage you FUCKSTAIN lol
>sigh by fishpillow	Dec 1st, 2007 07:16:42 PM
Everybody knows Quint is full of shit right? He is just back peddling. It was AWESOME!!!
took a trip in my time machine and saw it! by kafka07	Dec 1st, 2007 07:18:03 PM
Meh
FOTR nominated for B.P. by LargoJr	Dec 1st, 2007 07:18:46 PM
Yeah... and an Oscar means exactly WHAT these days? crickets chirping.. yeah.. exactly... JACK SHIT..... Oscar can suck my hairy squirmy Left Nut..... the AA's mean exactly jack shit... just an ever growing ego stroking, ass felching, slow motion train wreck of 'stars' who actually managed to drag themselves up out of their vomit laden stupors to go on parade for the masses who plunked down WAY too much money or WAY too little quality in film. Anyone who actually still believes an 'Oscar' means anything is in desperate need a being punched in the taint.
Is this the one w/ the Giant Fucking Lions-?? by TomBodet	Dec 1st, 2007 07:21:10 PM
No? Oh well-sure this would be okay, but again-Cuaron, Ridley Scott and Peter Weir could do the Hobbitses justice, too. MORE Walking-? Why yes. And singing, too don't forget-singing Stone Giants. Always fun. They were roadies for Grand Funk, ya know.
PaZooz that was some funny shit. by TomBodet	Dec 1st, 2007 07:22:02 PM
Bet you didn't know KooKoo Lopez is down there w/ Ringy in the crypt. Truly a legacy of shame.
Itz da necksed Stah Warz!!!!! by J-Dizzle	Dec 1st, 2007 07:22:17 PM
Let's see how this plays out. So PJ really hasn't decided to let bygones be bygones?
Elist snobs by fishpillow	Dec 1st, 2007 07:28:36 PM
are AWESOME!
Bygones be bygones? by LargoJr	Dec 1st, 2007 07:28:51 PM
Doesn't New World owe PJ like a bazillion dollars for the profits of the 3 films in all their versions? I'm betting N.W. is of the mind and phrase involving the words cold, dead, & fingers. Companies just don't give up that kind of loot without a bloody gruesome fight
welcome to...AINT IT COCK-TEASE NEWS by future help	Dec 1st, 2007 07:28:56 PM
someone said that. Perfect. between this and the Cloverfield headline...i feel fucked.
J-Dizzle by fishpillow	Dec 1st, 2007 07:29:16 PM
Good to see you! I laughed again!
and not the good fuck. by future help	Dec 1st, 2007 07:30:04 PM
Bah!
Nice bit, DocPazuzu by SkinJob69	Dec 1st, 2007 07:37:45 PM
But aren't you guys on strike? :)
Nice bit, DocPazuzu by SkinJob69	Dec 1st, 2007 07:37:45 PM
But aren't you guys on strike? :)
WTF? by fishpillow	Dec 1st, 2007 07:43:05 PM
WTF just happened? Damage Control on the Damage control? Welcome folks to the train wreck that never ends! AWESOME!!!!
Whoops! by fishpillow	Dec 1st, 2007 07:43:47 PM
Wrong talkback....
Can't wait for the stooge, comic-relief dwarves... by JackPumpkinhead	Dec 1st, 2007 07:44:09 PM
...and the female warrior added in Thorin's place, shouting "If you want us, come and claim us!" from the burning trees. And that unique, original, imaginative Jackson look, i.e. everything photocopied from Alan Lee's paintings. Oh, the wonders!
That was truly fucking hilarious DocPazuzu by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 07:57:38 PM
And well-written. Why, it captured exactly the sense of dread that accompanies each new Jackson talkback. Beware, He Cometh! Angels and Ministers of Grace defend us!
The idea of a 2part Hobbit is completely stupid.. by quantize	Dec 1st, 2007 07:57:57 PM
the book won't sustain a plot split...it's a simple story..not an epic like LOTR
I just got off the phone with Bilbo Baggins by Trik_Ster	Dec 1st, 2007 08:05:30 PM
He couldn't talk long, they were playing hide the carrot
AICN: THE CLOVERFIELD 2ND REVIEW COVER-UP by Kurzinski Valentine	Dec 1st, 2007 08:14:10 PM
Next week on DATELINE.
I missed it... by Mace Tofu	Dec 1st, 2007 08:26:29 PM
I bet that Marine's CLOVERFIELD review was AWESOME!
I agree. Two-part Hobbit would really be pushing it by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 08:36:25 PM
I mean, really. We're talking, depending on what they want to do, 4-6 hours of a perfect standalone story arc that could easily be a nice two hour movie. It's all about the cash, but I guess I can't blame them for contemplating such a thing, and I can forgive it if they use the money to go start up even awesomer fantasy and sci-fi epics. Nevertheless, one part or two parts, it will probably be ... searching for a word here ... Awesome?
Will Batman make a cameo in Indy 4??? by leobloom	Dec 1st, 2007 08:57:10 PM
"No!" says Bale. Aint It Not-news News!
Sci-fi/Fantasy Movies that I want to be made by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 08:58:00 PM
Now that LOTR has shown that a good fantasy/sci-fi epic can be a good investment here's my top 5 list of what I hope gets made: 1) Hyperion, repeat 4 times. And by the way, does anyone know what became of the Edgar Rice Burroughs Princess of Mars project? I remember reading about that but that was long ago now. There is the potential for a real ass-kicking adventure movie there. Whatever elitist literary qualms people might have, or snobby postmodern deconstruction you throw at it, the spirit of that book is fierce and mighty and deserves the big screen.
A couple things by Magma Suit	Dec 1st, 2007 08:59:28 PM
a) Not news. In fact, I would go so far as to call this "anti-news". b) The Hobbit should not be done in 2 parts. It's a much more simple, straightforward adventure story than LOTR. c) The Hobbit should not be made now at all. Perhaps in a few years (like, say a GENERATION) after the LOTR film craze has passed into legend (because to me no man can play Bilbo but Ian Holm, and God knows he's old). This just comes across as New Line trying to milk it dry (how many Battle For Middle-Earth games do we really need?).
They Should Pay Him Whatever He Wants by skoobyx	Dec 1st, 2007 09:06:27 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Even if they paid him $100M this could still turn a profit. I don't know what they're thinking.
Re: two parts by hiroprot23	Dec 1st, 2007 09:29:18 PM
Jackson isn't proposing to do the novel the Hobbit in two films. In the interview Quint references he talks about basically making one movie of the Hobbit and another based on some of those pages and pages that Christophen Tolkien's been exhuming all these years. A film that would fill in the story between the Hobbit and Fellowship (what Gandalf and Aragorn were up to, etc.) I've watched every damn second of my EE's so I don't care if he makes 5 flicks out of the Silmarillion and Farmer Giles of Ham- I'm on board.
Christophen by hiroprot23	Dec 1st, 2007 09:31:33 PM
Um...make that ChristopheR Tolkien. Christophen's the one with the goatee from the alternate timeline.
Xiphos by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 09:36:20 PM
Everyone used to have epic flame wars with Ringbearer9 the Hater King and his hordes, though DocPazuzu more often than not was on the front lines bearing the standard for the sane talkbackers. You are speaking of course, of the legendary Kong Wars of '05, one of the most trying ages I have witnessed in Talkback, but also one of its finest hours. I personally came out of it with a grudging respect for Ringbearer. He stuck by his guns with his over-the-top anti-Jackson campaign against overwhelming odds, and became something of a talkback legend in the process, witness DocPazuzu's chilling passage.
JackPumpkinhead by starlesswinter	Dec 1st, 2007 10:01:43 PM
Well, seeing as Alan Lee DESIGNED the film, it SHOULD look like his work.
LargoJr by starlesswinter	Dec 1st, 2007 10:07:54 PM
I love how after Clerks 2, everyone suddenly quotes that movie as if its comments on LOTR are true and that they always thought so...right, seeing as the Golden Compass doesn't have the reviews that LOTR does (fan and critic), you're comments are falling pretty flat.
Xiphos by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 10:13:23 PM
It got so bad that we all had to do things we're not proud of back in the Kong Wars, man. So your old handle was one of the casualities, huh? Hahaha!!! Bear your scars proudly, man!
I thought it being shelved was the case by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 10:17:25 PM
Well, what can I say. That sucks.
Princess of Mars is at Pixar by Jack Colby	Dec 1st, 2007 10:21:50 PM
No shit. Google it and see. Its being looked at as something coming out after Toy Story 3, although last I heard they weren't sure yet if it would be animated or possibly their first try at live action (with animated effects & creatures I assume.) If it's been shelved since then that's too bad, but I think it is still being planned with them.
Jack Colby, Xiphos by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 10:38:29 PM
I'm personally hoping Pixar isn't doing it. I wouldn't want Princess of Mars animated and kid-friendly. As far as banning goes, I've only had one old handle destroyed and another post or two removed for how viciously I skewered Paul W. Anderson's Alien vs. Predator. But I stand by my words, whatever they were.
HA HA HA!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 1st, 2007 10:39:04 PM
NICE ONE, DOCPAZ! Well done. That's post of the year stuff right there. Ah, Ringwearer9...no one else could pitch a fit over the portrayal of CGI fire in KING KONG like that guy. Oh, how I miss the days of AICN when a troll was a TROLL.
fishpillow by J-Dizzle	Dec 1st, 2007 10:40:16 PM
Thanks for the kudos. I can't believe how many catchphrases that Cloverfield thread has spawned.
Jackson: Hobbit 3D by jimdorey	Dec 1st, 2007 10:46:10 PM
I stand by my sources that are risking their jobs to pass on info to me. Jackson's camp will of course deny until such time as Jackson and Shaye make their own - who else would confirm/break an announcement of this size? Nothing has changed in my book. We are simply waiting for the official announcement now from Jackson/Shaye anytime between tomorrow and 2 years (as my sources said). The timeline is secondary to me! My post is updated as well. Thanks for trying though Quint! Doesn't hurt I guess - I would have expected that response though in all honesty. Oh and I never said he had signed a contract!! -jim MarketSaw.com
Jack Colby by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 1st, 2007 10:48:37 PM
I went ahead and googled it, and you're absolutely right. Looks like the Martian trilogy is confirmed according to multiple sources. Seems a strange choice for those guys. Hope it is at least live action like you said it might be. I guess the next obvious question is what does this mean for bloodiness and scantily-cladness?
i just got caught in a brontasaurus race by dr.bulber	Dec 1st, 2007 11:09:36 PM
and it was.... lame. really really really really really really really really really really lame.
I''LL WATCH PJ DIRECT SHIT by THE KNIGHT	Dec 1st, 2007 11:38:54 PM
the man is great!
Quint by BadMrWonka	Dec 2nd, 2007 12:08:22 AM
check out the marketsaw link again, this ding dong is sticking with his story...I wrote him a few comments (I'm "Will") and he still seems pretty confident. he also referred to your source as "some secretary from New Line", so he's not exactly clear on the concept. silly bastard.
Quint and Marketsaw are both correct by Rindain	Dec 2nd, 2007 12:33:14 AM
Quint received word from Jackson's camp that there is no deal in place, while Marketsaw received word that it will inevitably happen, but a deal has not yet been signed. Obviously both are correct--Jackson has obvsiously not signed a final deal to direct The Hobbit (or it would have been announced), and, yet, he obviously will direct the films in 3-D once New Line's option expires (as MGM and the Tolkien camp have been saying). So yeah, this is non-news, but neither AICN or Marketsaw are "wrong".
Chinese Democracy for movies..... by Axxoholic69	Dec 2nd, 2007 01:17:06 AM
Just get on with it..the longer u wait the less appealing this idea of the Hobbit sounds.. at least to me
Ah shit, why not go for a three parter spread over 3 years. by Filmrage	Dec 2nd, 2007 01:25:00 AM
The LOTR movies were 'ok' but two things i hated about them were A: the 'ghosts cream the Orcs at the end' was over done and ruined the climax. and B: the world of LOTR seemed so 'empty'. Ok NZ is a lovely place but the whole movie was just open planes for miles with the occasional small, cramped settlement. The capital of Gondor had a small satalite town near it and that was it. I don't want Jackson gaying up 'The Hobbit' with a two part spread. It's a cute and compact story. Get it told in 150 minutes and move on.
Filmrage by Magma Suit	Dec 2nd, 2007 01:43:14 AM
Have you read the books? Look at the maps therein. Middle-Earth is pretty sparesly settled according to those.
This is one of the WORST days in AICN's sad history by JimCurry	Dec 2nd, 2007 01:52:11 AM
This bullshit, that Spike Jonze shit, and the hilarity that is the Cloverfield "review." Be ashamed, be very ashamed...
They better hurry... by lotusblade	Dec 2nd, 2007 02:16:25 AM
First they don't have that much time. The rights will revert back to the Zaentz Company. They would be crazy to resell the rights to New Line. Second, supposedly the Tolkien Estate is preparing a major lawsuit against Zaentz that would if won put an end to any further projects of any kind in films, games, role playing games, etc. From what I've heard the chances of them losing the law suit are extremely slim and the case they have about a breach of contract is extremely strong.
starlesswinter that is exactly what I was going to say by slappy jones	Dec 2nd, 2007 02:22:49 AM
of course the lotr trilogy looked like alan lees work..he designed the mother fucker
we dont want a 2-part hobbit! by mansep	Dec 2nd, 2007 03:16:36 AM
can easily be done as a 2 and a half hour film. with 30 minutes of extra footage on dvd
I hope they make those STAR WARS PREQEULS they've been talking a by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Dec 2nd, 2007 03:24:38 AM
Fuck yeah! Lets see what happened to Obi-Wan and Yoda and Anakin...I hear he was a navigator on a spice cruiser.
A 2-parter does sound like theatrical double-dipping by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl	Dec 2nd, 2007 04:31:50 AM
I'd rather see one movie instead of "The Hobbit: Volume 1 and 2".
As for 3-D movies by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl	Dec 2nd, 2007 04:35:47 AM
I love them to death! Anyone else see that horrible looking "..Center of the Earth" movie with Brandon Frasier in it? Looks really, really bad but for some reason I'm drawn to it because it's going to be in digital 3-D. I may need serious help.
FRONT PAGE AICN STORY... by Fervel Lankman	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:12:53 AM
people may or may not have seen movie that may or may not have been made or even announced but yet declare its awesomeness due to its mere possible existence, while great movies are actually out and being completely ignored
Peter Jackson still NOT directing "The Hobbit" ???? by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:45:18 AM
All is well.
The two movies wouldn't be Hobbit Vol 1 & 2... by raw_bean	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:50:26 AM
...it would be something like The Hobbit and The White Council. That was what PJ was pondering, anyway, before the big fall out. It wouldn't just adapt the Hobbit, but detail all the stuff going on with Gandalf and the White Council (Saruman, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel) as Sauron re-emerged, first as 'the Necromancer' who was an off-screen menace during the Hobbit.
Peter Jackson hates dwarves. by jae683	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:57:58 AM
It's true. They're all comic relief in his eyes, dwarf tossing comic relief.
Ringy! the PaZooz has written you a fan-letter. by TomBodet	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:17:23 AM
Makes for good readin'. Must...re-read...this...again. ..yes yes.
bacci40... stop being mean :( by LargoJr	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:18:35 AM
I only directed HALF of A.I., though I am willing to take full responsibility for the utter shit-fest that was I, Robot. I apologize, and promise to do better.
C'mon, people, look forward to "The Lovely Bones" !!!! by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:32:30 AM
It's got rape and murder in it!
Thank you, Pazuzu. by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:35:00 AM
My faithful servant. As long as you live, I know that the watchfires of my memory will live on.
"Where there's Smoke..." by KillaKane	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:35:50 AM
Finger's crossed that this nixed rumour gets some impetus and comes to pass. I'm firmly in the jackson camp, the impact of the LOTR trilogy will never fade for me,a serious acheivement in any measure. I would dearly love to see him revisit Tolkien territory and I'd be made up over a two film adaptation. Tin Tin's going to be great fun I'm sure, but the Hobbit in IMAX 3D would be an amazing sensory experience.
Jackson rocks! by Jordon	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:38:26 AM
LoTR > Star Wars
Xiphos, what was your talkback handle? by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:44:15 AM

Wait a minute by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 2nd, 2007 08:31:26 AM
this is the last straw. Over the last few days I have read so-called movie fans bag James Camerons talent, questioned Indy 4 as a cash grab(not to mention bagging Spielberg), fear a JLA movie made by George Miller and now people hate the LOTR trilogy. A series of films that are regarded as a major accomplishment and are possibly the greatest filmaking achievement of the last 20 years. You fucks are unbelievable.
NoMoredirtyjokes, we don't hate the LOTR films by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:02:18 AM
I, at least, just hate Peter Jackson, because he's at best indifferent to Tolkien, and at worst a vicious little gore-loving troll who would have ruined the films with his disgusting Orcish Zombie sensibility, had not the Tolkien fanbase and his co-writers reined him in.
Ringwearer9 by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:08:44 AM
Where's your LOTR screenplay. Fuck off.
Name me one person who was better suited. by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:16:51 AM
The man made them real and gave them a dimension that few movies have nowadays, and in case your wondering I have read all the books including the Silmarillion and I gotta say apart from a couple of things (Gimlis light relief being one) Jackson knocked it out of the fucking park. I witnessed scenes only dreamed about and all were done note perfect. "Ohhhhhhh but he forgot about Bombadill". Its called film adaption morons.
I hope he doesn't use CGI for The Hobbit. by rbatty024	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:29:00 AM
Continue with the live action, at least for continuities sake. Oh, and those complaining about the Ring films would be complaining no matter what was released. If the movie was a 100% adaptation they would complain that it was too long and with too much action, and that Bombadil was gay. Unless you're arguing that a film never should have been made, I don't see how you can complain about Jackson's movies without being a complete pedant.
I find all the Lotr Revisionism style reviewing by emeraldboy	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:40:52 AM
Strange. Your now all saying you hate those movies which you all fawned over.
Always thought Jim Henson should have done this... by SK229	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:49:49 AM
with Frank Oz and then George Lucas producing, ala The Dark Crystal. Well... maybe not Lucas producing. I think he knew how to get the tone absolutely perfect with his 'fantasy muppets', and I firmly believe The Hobbit was a huge influence.
Lovely Bone by Lord Nerd	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:57:46 AM
Sub par porn. I liked Star Booty.
True tell of a movies greatness by Turd Furgeson	Dec 2nd, 2007 10:27:21 AM
is how often you want to watch it on DVD... I'll put on Jaws or 3 days of the Condor every day, but man i've watched my LOTR DVD's once each and that's it... They just do not hold up well at all...
Lord of the Rings is a wade to get thru no doubt. by TomBodet	Dec 2nd, 2007 10:50:13 AM
Be it in book form, the movies or radio-play they did back when. You gotta be in the right mood for it, but the movies DO hold up quite well, to my thinking. Though I'm one of those luddites who really REALLY wants to see the Kevin_Smith Sock-puppet version of the Hobbit, myself.
Just do it with Peter Weir. by Gilkuliehe	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:05:53 AM
Martin Freeman as Bilbo. McKellen as Gandalf. Serkis as Gollum. WETA as the guys doing the crazy shit. Two hours running time, shitloads of cash in BO.
i hope this ain't true by Lt. Kaffee	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:13:23 AM
i've said it before and i'll say it again... peter jackson would ruin the hobbit. go w/ peter weir!
well said pipple... by Frank Black	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:16:12 AM
King Kong could have been amazing but was so absurd, long and light on actual story that it was painful to sit through. I preferred the Frighteners anyway.
Peter Jackson? More like BORAPHYL... by That 70s Venom	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:16:14 AM
... NO I WILL NOT MAKE OUT WITH YOU IN CLASS. We got chloraphyl guy up here talkin about GOD knows what and all she wants to do is make out with me. NO thanks, I'm HERE TO LEARN.
Squirrel Girl... by Bone-In Foray	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:20:58 AM
I'm on board. I come out of these 3-D movies wondering how on earth I'll be able to deal with simpleton, two dimensional films for the rest of my life. In fact, the revival of 3-D may help to light a fire under the proverbial ass of theater chains nationwide since a homeward-based version of this technology is not likely to surface for some time. And I also agree on the Fraser flick - difference being that I, in all probabilty, will NOT see it. Looked very hokey and perhaps it was due in part to the eyeballs not being adjusted to the 3-D but the effects didn't come close to matching the Beowulf perfection witnessed during the feature presentation.
Doc... by Bone-In Foray	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:28:59 AM
While I applaud your efforts in posting a TB that doesn't stink of mediocrity or misuse the words 'there/their/they're' and/or 'hyperbole' (what is with you people and that WORD?), I can't help but feel that you might benefit from a few less adjectives and adverbs. Allow your prose to create the imagery man... (snapping fingers) Yeah, brother. Can you dig it? Soothe the savage TB beast...
Bone-In Foray by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 2nd, 2007 01:16:39 PM
Verily, any manner of abridgment with regard to the superfluity of adjectives and adverbs constitutive of aforementioned prose would be transgressive at best, of the hyperbole thereby effected.
Ringwearer9 by 'Cholera's Ghost	Dec 2nd, 2007 01:36:55 PM
Yep, looks like Jackson is still out. Like others, I was wondering what your take on choice of director for Hobbit would be since you're one of the people who's probably put a lot of thought into this, and although I think Jackson et al pulled it together well on LOTR (blasphemy I know) I'm sure there are other interesting picks out there that could yield a good film if Peter doesn't do it. Someone mentioned Weir.
Way to get our hopes up by Zorak5	Dec 2nd, 2007 04:01:58 PM
with that headline, and then crush them into a thousand pieces seconds later. Bravo. I know it couldn't be avoided though. Any time you have to debunk an awesome rumor like that, it's gonna suck. If the day ever comes that we do hear Peter Jackson gets to do The Hobbit, that will be awesome indeed though.
So your article should have read - by FILMFUNK	Dec 2nd, 2007 04:12:39 PM
Peter Jackson NOT shooting a 2 Part Hobbit in 3D!
LOTR not the new Star Wars by darthvedder81	Dec 2nd, 2007 04:44:56 PM
I don't really care for them, but I recognize the LOTR films as being well-made and something of an achievement. That said they are no where near as groundbreaking or influential as Star Wars was and is. Jackson basically got a blank check from New Line and that coupled an already popular and beloved story made the movies pretty close to a slam dunk. Say what you want about GL but he made ANH on a shoestring, and financed all the sequels himself—and all of it based on his own ideas and story. I'd like to see PJ doing something based on his own ideas that isn't puppet porno or schlock.
There will never be a "new Star Wars." by rbatty024	Dec 2nd, 2007 05:35:48 PM
I hate it when people use that phrase myself. Times have change, the power of films has changed. You're right DarthVedder, Jackson was working with a previously existing story while Lucas was creating something out of whole cloth. With the internet the shock value of something new isn't there like it used to be. That being said, I really liked the Ring films and can't imagine a better undertaking. It's been a while since I've popped them in the DVD player but there's something to be said about a three or four hour movie that immerses you in its mythology. New Line should stop bitching and just pay up. They're going to end up making tons of money anyway.
rbatty024, darthvedder81 by TheNorthlander	Dec 2nd, 2007 05:39:43 PM
Anyone in this thread refering to anything as "the new star wars" is referencing that cloverfield review.
Non-News is Good News by TheBladehelm	Dec 2nd, 2007 05:42:46 PM
The only explanation is that they need you to click on the story so you can navigate to another page with more ads so AICN makes a little more money. The headline should have read "Rumor Debunked: Peter Jackson NOT Making The Hobbit in 3D" perhaps with a "(yet)" added in for good measure.
LOL, Xiphon. by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 05:52:32 PM
Don't worry about it.
they should freeze McKellen now, thaw him when needed by pipergates	Dec 2nd, 2007 05:59:51 PM
cause he's not getting any younger.
Hi, Cholerea. Alfonso Cuaron, Guillermo Del Toro .... by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:04:12 PM
... Peter Weir. All fine choices.
Revenge of the Sith will OWN your asses by Prossor	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:31:02 PM
search your feelings, you know it to be true.
not delToro, he's as monster-skewed as Jackson by pipergates	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:32:12 PM
great as he is doing his thing i don't think he can keep his love of creepiness from altering something as sensitive as the Hobbit.
Quaron on the other hand would be perfect by pipergates	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:34:28 PM
he would out-hobbit Jackson himself, just as he made the best Potter film.
After Master and Commander I think Weir should... by rbatty024	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:35:27 PM
definitely do more epic films. If it's not The Hobbit that's fine, but he needs to do something with similar scope. He should also put Ford in one of his films to salvage his career, you know just in case Indy 4 bombs. What about Raimi? Both Jackson and Raimi have the b-movie horror film origins. Although I think the similarities, for me anyway, are a negative. If we don't get Jackson I would like to see a completely new vision.
Lovely Bones in 2009? by Barry Egan	Dec 2nd, 2007 07:52:37 PM
How is that possible? It's shooting now, right? I can't imagine it taking 2 years to shoot and go through post.
Cholera and Xiphos and Ringy by TomBodet	Dec 2nd, 2007 08:04:13 PM
Yes yes, I remember being Banned(and then some)a number of times, but esp. about the time of the Jurassic_Kong Wars. You know Ringy, it was due to my utilizing your epic 76 page critique of _Kong at a number rather Oppurtune times, yes yes. Ya know what? It wuz worth it. Still waiting for the announcement: SIR PETEY JAX TO DIRECT STAR WARS 7-9, LUCAS TO DIRECT HOBBIT, KEVIN SMITH THE NEXT TWO BONDS, TARENTINO JOHNNY SOKKO< you know I'd be watching at least one of those...
Peter Jackson is the most........ by igotbigballs	Dec 2nd, 2007 08:41:14 PM
overrated director of our time. LOTR were mediocre movies and Kin Kong was pure CRAP. The Frighteners did kick ass though.
LOTR Book Lovers Who Hate the Movies by emvan	Dec 2nd, 2007 08:45:16 PM
... have got to have the weirdest and saddest neural wiring on the planet. I've read the book 18 times (in 42 years), been published on it, and will be the first in line to excoriate PJ for omitting the novel's single most important scene (Gollum's near-repentance), for not understanding the importance of the Scouring of the Shire (which could easily have been 10 crucial minutes of the ROTK EE), and for a host of others (mostly minor) sins. If I wanted to focus on what wasn't right and didn't work, I could certainly hate the movies. But what's bad about the movies is massively overwhelmed by what's good, and what's good is often not just good but breathtakingly great, and great on numerous levels. What's especially amusing is that the complaints of the Tolkien purists inevitably reveal how little they understand the book; they're just fixated on the verbatim story as if they were four-year-olds who want to be told the exact same story at bedtime every night. They have no sense at all of the way the story actually works and hence of the brilliance of PJ's streamlining job (e.g, how the change in location of the last battle of the Second Age changes the public history of the Ring which both changes Aragorn's character and causes Gandalf to get Frodo on the road just months after the Shadow of the Past, rather than taking 17 years.) I especially laugh my ass off whenever the purists criticize the movie's version of Arwen, when the movie's version is more faithful to Tolkien than the book's (read the Silmarillion tale of Beren and Luthien, idiots) and is a pretty good guess as to what Arwen might have been like if she hadn't been invented by Tolkien as he was finishing the book, or if he had had the energy to rewrite the whole thing once he had figured out the story he was trying to tell (see? The book's not perfect, either.)
Click, click by noncents	Dec 2nd, 2007 09:58:39 PM
Waste my time for the win. Cha-ching.
wow emvan by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl	Dec 2nd, 2007 10:24:36 PM
I've never read any of the LotR books but okay, I believe you.
Just one movie please... by Johnno	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:19:43 PM
If they really want to milk it they can do one big 3 hour movie, and maybe tell tales from the Silmarillion in another, or make some anime or CGI shorts or something...
emvan I tip my hat to you sir by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:23:03 PM
Those complaints about Arwen always pissed me off. If they were true Tolkien-heads they would know that Jackson basically did what Tolkien wished he had. I appreciate even more him holding back Shelob till Return. If he had followed Frodos timeline they would have been out of whack with the concurrent adventure timelines. His skill at deriding the essence of the novels and keeping as much in as humanly possible blows me away, especially in the extended versions which really do much more justice to the little details.
oooh I love the idea of just animating the other stories by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:32:25 PM
But no quick cheapie animated direct-to-dvd ones. It should keep the tone of the LotR movies and not make them kid-friendly just because they're animated. Maybe hire Don Bluth to help head it?
NoMoreDirtyJokes, and Emvan. by Ringwearer9	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:44:19 PM
You keep making the same mistakes. You keep assuming JACKSON is the one who brough the "skill" to the whole proceeding. Fact is, he says that he never bothered to reread the books prior to making the movies!!!! And he only read the books once, 15 years previous, and he says it "took me forever to plow through them". His co-writers were big Tolkien fans. Jackson's "skill" was to add the "Dwarf Tossing" joke, and geek out over monster designs and CGI. He's a retard. So stop talking about JACKSON'S skill. Just because someone is a director doesn't mean they had total control over everything. In fact, because of the massive amount of work involved, he was less in control of everything than if he'd shot the movies one-at-a-time instead of all together at once.
Ringwearer9 by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 2nd, 2007 11:52:02 PM
ok so Fran Walsh and Phillipa Boyens did the majority of the screenplay, but to label Jackson a retard just makes you Ringwearer9 the greatest retard in the universe.
Nomoredirtyjokesplease... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 3rd, 2007 12:07:51 AM
Congratulations. You've just witnessed and participated in a textbook post-n-response exchange with ol' Ringy. Remember this day well.
Mr. Nice Gaius thanks... by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 01:00:43 AM
It was everything I'd hoped for.
Ringwearer9 by emvan	Dec 3rd, 2007 01:20:49 AM
Why are you posting here under a lame pseudonym? I mean, since you've figured out that PJ is not in control (not the auteur) of his own films, you must be a famous film critic who is revolutionizing the field, right? Of course Walsh and especially Boyens, not PJ, are responsible for the brilliance of the story adptation. I was sort of under the impression that PJ hired them to do precisley that and then approved everything they came up with. I guess I missed the story where they kidnapped him at gunpoint and forced themselves onto the project and forced their interpretation on him. Your specific rebuttal to my other points is spot-on, though. O, wait . . . there wasn't any.
Xiphos actually I've been banned once before by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 01:36:47 AM
I am the artist formerly known as zbobroberts. I found an empty talkback one night and proceeded to tell dirty jokes.
Ringwearer9 by TheBladehelm	Dec 3rd, 2007 02:05:09 AM
I am curious to know how you know just exactly how much Peter Jackson contributed to the overall script and story. According to the IMDb, he shares the screenplay credit, but there is no indication that he only had a cursory involvement that amounts to, as you stated, dwarf tossing. Not attacking you in any way, just wondering what your source is.
lucas was the CHOSEN ONE... at one point by Prossor	Dec 3rd, 2007 02:19:20 AM
Agreed darthvedder. Starting from scrap (even if cannibalizing pulp and mythos) and funding his own shit. He was a sort of cunning JEDI you could say, but since has been corrupted by the DARK SIDE and become something i like to call a SITH (trained in the dark arts) with sagging puffs under his eyes, bloated neck, sitting in his Fortress of the Skywalker as the walls of computer-glow glistens off his pale withery skin while he meditates in a trance, lifeless eyes dilated to hollow blackness, saliva slowly oozing from his slacked mouth, as he mentally travels the dark cosmic forces of the universe while a furry creature on a chain sucks his slithery dick.
Prossor by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 02:28:13 AM
Wow, that was some visual shit!
Adding Dwarf Tossing will get you a screenplay credit. by Ringwearer9	Dec 3rd, 2007 02:44:18 AM
What exactly is puzzling you?
Your the only Tosser around here by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 02:51:07 AM
got any blow?
I don't care that you have fucked 9 asses by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 02:52:37 AM
but why would you wear it with pride?
Double BAM by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 03:01:31 AM
ehhehe
Bladehelm, Jackson had a lot to do with the screenplay by Ringwearer9	Dec 3rd, 2007 03:01:36 AM
It's just that his contributions did not come from a love for the books, or even the characters. Just listen to the commentaries on the extended DVDs of the films. He's constantly saying stuff like "I hate wizards and magic" or "In my opinion Gandalf is as manipulative as Saruman", or "I thought it would be funny for the pony to get dragged down by the tentacles going "eee aww". Whenever the films depart in tone from the books, you can guarantee Jackson's hand in it, because only he could relish Faramir's men beating the shit out of Gollum, or think it would be fun for Aragorn to chop off the Mouth of Sauron's head (in the extended edition). Only he would express regret that we didn't see MORE arrows impaling elephants, including one into one elephants' eye. He's a sadist, witness his "funny" zombie/alien films. His purpose in making these films was as a special effects ad for his WETA company, and to indulge his own love for special effects monsters. As he's admitted, it wasn't out of extreme love for Tolkien or Lord of the Rings. His two co-writers loved Tolkien, he got the opportunity to get rich making the films, and he went for it.
You are one weird guy by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 03:45:08 AM
are you Peter Jackson's illegitimate son, back for revenge?
Goodbye, NoMoredirtyJokes... by Ringwearer9	Dec 3rd, 2007 04:25:28 AM
nice talking to ya.
Thankyou George Washington ....Goodnight by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Dec 3rd, 2007 04:45:57 AM
outa here too.
THIS IS HORRID by The Chosen	Dec 3rd, 2007 04:53:30 AM
Ok, i haven't seen Beowulf yet, but i rather much more a live action Hobbit. 3D would crap it all. All of it just to get Ian Holm to play Bilbo again?
Well, I thought Sir Petey did okay myself... by TomBodet	Dec 3rd, 2007 07:16:37 AM
...but I Didn't think some of his changes worked that well. Sure cutting out Bombadil was fine, ditto the Scouring-but there was something about gutting 17 years from the Party to them actually leaving, making Frodo a 22 year old(well you know...), that rubbed me the wrong way. I read these things some 22 times(at least) back in the day, and frankly I'm glad that we actually got what we got from Jax, Boyen and Walsh considering. But the 'purists' can caterwaul all they want, and it's legit, too. The books and the movies cannot be the same things. I remember seeing the stills of Arwen leading the elves down the gateway of Horns Deep(nice guys...), and you have that army of the dead swarming thru Minas Tirith whilst it only bags the Southrons fleet etc in the books. Etc etc. Different, NOT better, but for a movie--maybe this streamlining was the only way to go. So, Evendom there-I don't find fault w/ what Jax did so much, but to claim that his take on Arwen was what Tolkien REALLY wanted to do-that's bogus and you know it. Might as well also claim that he wanted an army of Giant Robots(TM) w/ the White Hand planted on their chests to issue outta Isengard the second Treebeard and co loosed the flood(which in the book was slowly and laborious done ala everything else there-Ents make dam, divert river, etc instead of the Jacque Shoq Shallaque pull-keystone-hey-instant-floo d routine in the movie) and started firing away at our friends in the horsey-armor. And I'm rambling. But I thinks youse got my drift. Ringy don't be a stranger, make cameos here and there just to keep the TB's alive sirrah. PaZooz will thank you.
Hobbit in 4D! by ricarleite	Dec 3rd, 2007 08:49:39 AM
Cause, you know, there's time as well. The movie will last longer than an instant, I believe. Won't be a 3D photo. Right? I won't watch it, though. Sick of the LOTR bull crap.
this article is the dumbtown trolley by ArcadianDS	Dec 3rd, 2007 10:10:21 AM
actual title should read: "Peter Jackson's 2-part 3D Hobbit is NOT happening." Instead, you pull an intentional stunt to make it appear as if the article is going to confirm this, and then throwing in an "oh by the way Peter Jackson's people say 'hogwash' " at the end. Then Stewie jumped out of the simulator and said, "HAHA FAKE NEWS", credits.
2 parts? by Darth Scourge	Dec 3rd, 2007 10:48:33 AM
There would be no need for this to be a two part movie. The book is relatively short (at least when compared to the LOTR books), so a rumoured two part adaptation is a strange decision.
I clicked on this talkback in hopes of seeing... by just pillow talk	Dec 3rd, 2007 10:58:18 AM
Ringy typing his unrelenting hate towards Jackson, and lo and behold, I'm rewarded. We really need more Hobbit rumors. And I do have to say DocP, that was some funny (and very accurate) shit.
3-D is not ready for public consumption by Gremlin517	Dec 3rd, 2007 01:42:21 PM
I just saw Beowulf and it was absolutely horrible! The technology simply is not there yet. The characters are flat--especially the interiors of mouths, eyes are dead, emotion is completely lacking--all of this adds up to a movie that has no heart. Funny thing is is that Final Fantasy looked good, while Briowulf looked horrible. Is American computer animation simply that far behind? Don't get me started either, on Gaiman's hack job....shudder. If I never see another of these masculine fantasy stories I'll be quite happy.
This Just In!!! by Bone-In Foray	Dec 3rd, 2007 02:14:14 PM
Directors don't have total control over their films! Wow. And to think this talkback was on its way out. The infinite wisdom of geekdom has just resuscitated this talkback with a doozy... and more importantly, it has done TBers everywhere a service. How you might ask? Simple - by exposing PJ for what he truly is... Milli Vanilli incarnate. A James Frey if you will. No - Bear Grylls. Yup - believe it. Bear Fucking Grylls. SLEEPING IN A FUCKING HOTEL ROOM?!?! SAY IT AIN'T SO PJ! SAY IT AI-(sob) AI-(sniff) AI-(sob) AIN'T (it cool news) sOooOOOOooooOOOooo!!!! Like, I guess the guy shoulda never lost weight. At least then people might find a more legitimate outlet for their I-wish-I-was-famous-and-not-a- fat-geek-eating-ho-hos-in-my-u nderwear-and-ranting-online-ab out-someone-else's-success.
I begin to bore myself ... by Ringwearer9	Dec 3rd, 2007 04:00:22 PM
zzzzz....
3D schmee-dee. by Tinfang	Dec 4th, 2007 11:32:59 AM
Just go ahead and do the Hobbit PJ and forget about the 3D aspect of it. Just the thought of the same team that did LOTR working on the Hobbit gives me a big case of the warm and fuzzy. Sigh, are some of you still carping about the couldda shoulddas with LOTR? As some famous Hobbit once said "There's the way it oughta be and there's the way it is." What we got from PJ was an undeniable artistic and commercial success that managed to get a very complex story over to even the least knowledgeable. He also managed to make (mostly) even long time fans happy. Hmmm, how is it that a guy who, according to a tiny minority, didn't even grasp let alone appreciate the story manage to get it so right then? Looks like the art of trolling is alive and well at AICN.

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