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Ledger's Joker: Empire Cover Boy!!

first by PVIII	Nov 27th, 2007 10:39:46 AM
eat it.
First by TiVo1138	Nov 27th, 2007 10:40:20 AM
This is gonna be great
Damn you, PVIII by TiVo1138	Nov 27th, 2007 10:40:51 AM
Mere SECONDS before I post mine.
OH, HELL YES!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 27th, 2007 10:41:15 AM
Me likey alot. I've got to get me a pair of those socks...
hmmm by v for vienetta	Nov 27th, 2007 10:41:33 AM
i was sold before, but that pic has actually made me think twice. not so sure anymore...
yuck by alphachemwolf	Nov 27th, 2007 10:41:56 AM
DO NOT LIKE
Good stuff by abcdefz7	Nov 27th, 2007 10:42:28 AM
Very nice.
NOICE! by parallax_r	Nov 27th, 2007 10:43:17 AM
he looks sinister... i love it.
I SUPPORT THE GOTH CARROT TOP ON THIS ONE! by Pound Sand	Nov 27th, 2007 10:43:23 AM
Empire magazine, I can always count on you for the combination of ugly fonts and schizophrenic text layout...You put Wired to shame.
Kind'a of a gay clown thing going by soccerfan33	Nov 27th, 2007 10:43:47 AM
slightly
Clown from Twisted Metal? by Baron Karza	Nov 27th, 2007 10:43:53 AM
Wasnt there a fucked up clown in that game that looked similar?
looks by lb	Nov 27th, 2007 10:44:25 AM
...pretty cool!!!!
It's a miracle! by xias	Nov 27th, 2007 10:44:40 AM
Do my eyes believe me? Can it be? Is this AICN reporting on The Dark Knight? Surely not!
I'M DR. ROCKSO! I DO COCAINE!! by Baron Karza	Nov 27th, 2007 10:45:17 AM
And kill.
i wonder if he lubes up any dudes in this one by BMacSmith	Nov 27th, 2007 10:45:53 AM
i hope and expect Batman sequel to be good, but i still hate heath ledger for sucking ass on screen his whole career
I wish I could figure to kill you. by all	Nov 27th, 2007 10:46:09 AM
This looks great.
If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd by Frankenbastard	Nov 27th, 2007 10:47:26 AM
WOW, this is nothing like i expected it to be, it’s way worse! You have got to be kidding me. Retarded doesn't begin to describe the look of what they are calling "the Joker". Thank god the franchise will be dead again. With any luck the Watchemen will be decent and they might reboot the Batman franchise with The Dark Knight Returns. The only people who honestly think the Joker looks cool here are the producers and the idiots that bankrolled this future turd.
Yawn... by hank henshaw	Nov 27th, 2007 10:47:44 AM
Looks like a Joker henchman, or something.
Reminds me... by DirkD13"	Nov 27th, 2007 10:50:38 AM
...better get down to the newsagent.
Ha ha! by Animorganimate	Nov 27th, 2007 10:50:41 AM
Ledger is gonna own your asses and your first borns...he's that good...as the Joker.
This is great... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 27th, 2007 10:50:55 AM
Watch as the Talkbackers divide into at least two camps: one that hates the make-up and thinks he doesn't look dapper enough. and one that loves the old-school comic look and can't wait to see this dark, sinister portrayal. (There should also be an auxiliary third camp that is set aside specifically for anchorite and I am Batman.)
You guys are high by Cracker_Thompson	Nov 27th, 2007 10:52:19 AM
This looks great!!!!
is that Jim carrey? by Pipple	Nov 27th, 2007 10:55:18 AM
He's a mean one, mr. Grinch.
Did anyone else by Series7	Nov 27th, 2007 10:56:16 AM
Notice the Mummy 3 preview in the corner of the mag? Really a mummy 3, i remember hearing something about changing directors but how is it going to be anything besides something that should have gone direct to DVD?
That's a shitload of cool right there! by KillaKane	Nov 27th, 2007 10:56:41 AM
Gagging for a decent trailer! This film's going to rule next summer.
I like it... by KillDozer	Nov 27th, 2007 10:57:11 AM
Really looking forward to this film.
Baron Karza by Series7	Nov 27th, 2007 10:57:43 AM
Yeah it totally looks like Sweet Tooth. Hopefully he's half as crazy as sweet tooth is.
I'm no longer excited by darrenspool	Nov 27th, 2007 10:58:22 AM
It's just another picture. This offers no insight into what he'll be like in the film. He doesn't look creepy either. Just a tad uninteresting.
Wish he looked more like by Series7	Nov 27th, 2007 10:58:40 AM
This http://www.all4humor.com/image s/files/Sewer%20Clown.jpg
Nothing to get excited about. by JDanielP	Nov 27th, 2007 11:01:02 AM
There is nothing in any of the visuals, that I've seen thus far, to make me feel enthusiastic. I don't understand why these stories can't be told while having a look that creates more interest. Everything, including Batman's convention-level suit, looks cheap. But I'll go see the damn movie. I just won't be excited about it.
On the other hand... by Frankenbastard	Nov 27th, 2007 11:03:44 AM
He kind of looks like Keaton as the joker and that’s kind of funny. Why does everyone on the planet just accept shit nowadays? I just don’t accept this, take it back and redo it please. What I love is that some people are looking at these pics we’ve been getting and secretly praying that it’s some sort of in-between stage of the Joker and that by the end of the movie he’ll transform into what we see on the pages of the comic. It ain’t happening bright eyes wake up.
Oh yea by Frankenbastard	Nov 27th, 2007 11:05:53 AM
LMAO! Pound Sand, great observation.
The Gotham Times.com by Anschutz	Nov 27th, 2007 11:06:13 AM
Don't forget to check out the The Gotham Times website for more information on what has been happening in Gotham since the release of the fear gas in the Narrows
I love you retards by gavdiggity	Nov 27th, 2007 11:08:17 AM
people who can determine how good a movie is going to be based on one picture from a magazine cover are a pack of unbelievable assholes. Congratulations, pricks.
"AICN REPORTS ON DARK KNIGHT SHOCK!" by IAmMrMonkey!	Nov 27th, 2007 11:09:09 AM
Good grief! Dark Knight news on AICN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MEH. That's right, I said MEH. by Boneyard	Nov 27th, 2007 11:09:32 AM
In the immortal words of Lloyd Benson: "I knew the Joker... and you sir, are no Joker." Between this movie and the killing of Bruce Wayne in the comics I might have to quit Batman all together. (Yes, I realize that statement is ironic)It's been a nice 40 year run but these idiots are screwing it all up.
haters. by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Nov 27th, 2007 11:10:35 AM
this is as good as a movie Joker will ever look. maybe as good as it COULD ever look. count your blessings, thank Jeebus Nolan isn't going to fuck this up, and have your geekgasm.
Hey... by Frankenbastard	Nov 27th, 2007 11:12:26 AM
If that joker showed up to my house at 3 am I’d show him a Detective comic with the real Joker in it quickly sculpt and appliance, apply it to his face, and impale him on my lawn gnome. Then I’d go back to watching V for Vendetta or Sin City.
Can't believe some people don't like this! by IAmMrMonkey!	Nov 27th, 2007 11:13:38 AM
I look at that picture and I see the fucking Joker which is exactly what I'm meant to be looking at. I'm sure people just want to argue for the sake of arguing here!
"Hey kid, want some candy?" by chrth	Nov 27th, 2007 11:13:45 AM

And for what'd I rather see... by Boneyard	Nov 27th, 2007 11:13:59 AM
http://www.kryptonsite.com/pat ientj.jpg
Er... by Frankenbastard	Nov 27th, 2007 11:14:25 AM
I meant quickly sculpt "AN" appliance. Thank you :)
why is it the British magazines by ewokstew	Nov 27th, 2007 11:15:41 AM
always seem to get better pics/exclusives of American movie stuff than American Mags do? For that matter, why are British magazines better, period? I'm tired of spending $10-15.00 a magazine to get a decent read. Starlog? HA!
wow by godhelpus	Nov 27th, 2007 11:20:05 AM
nice work, the smile is perfect
Boneyard by xias	Nov 27th, 2007 11:20:11 AM
You're an idiot. Goodbye.
Yeah Boneyard by fat bears	Nov 27th, 2007 11:23:31 AM
You're a fucking moron.
this is what the joker would look like if he was a man by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 11:23:54 AM
...which he is. he's just a man. a crazy criminal with a penchant for garish, dramatic, old style. they even explain that his clothes are hand-made. If you were a criminal, would you show your face in a TJ MAXX to buy a clean purple church suit? hells no. I've always wondered how someone like the joker could ever appear in public to do anything. He'd have to send his thugs out for groceries or anything. This is PLAUSIBLE REALISM....I've come to terms with the facepaint and dye job. This is more SE7EN and less x-men. We aren't talking about skin mutation and strange chemicals. This is a new real take on a rather implausible idea....and i LOVE the animated series joker. In a fictional comic world, that works...but not in the real world. I'm digging the new look, and being the Joker for Halloween just got hella easier. time to raid grandpa's closet. a new take on the joker would have to have some anarchic punk/rockstar leanings, and this hits the nail without being over the top.
Awesome. by 7pointedstar	Nov 27th, 2007 11:24:29 AM
This Joker is shaping up to be everything I was hoping it would be. And to anyone who wants to try and bring up Patient J or even Batman: Dead End as the end-all-be-all of Joker/Batman portrayals, go fuck yourselves. Patient J is vastly overrated, and I can't stand that guy's take on the Joker. It's like he took Mark Hamill's voice, made it even cheesier then applied some white cream make up and a fake chin. That Joker would never work in an actual film. And, as for Batman: Dead End...it just wasn't that good. For the money Sandy Collora had, it looked great. But the Joker was a bit lame in it. Same deal as Patient J. Dead End's Batman was pretty decent, though...but I like the Begins take on it. Again, this pic looks great, and I think Ledger is really going to surprise some people.
colors by godhelpus	Nov 27th, 2007 11:25:31 AM
are more saturated on the magazine, i think on the heiscoming website they are more accurate to the film
vest is too green... by leobloom	Nov 27th, 2007 11:26:31 AM
30 degrees below zero in hell. AICN runs a story on TDK. Of course, they forgot to mention the half-dozen websites that popped up last week.
Punkalicious! by FILMFUNK	Nov 27th, 2007 11:28:07 AM
I was worried he wasn't Batshit crazy enough from the fotos we've seen thus far but riddle me 'cited now he looks freakin awesome!!!
hair by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 11:28:21 AM
i seriously like the hairstyle in this pic- where we get the nice flyback and crest action, unlike all the stringy longish hair we've seen in other pics. Because over the course of a rigorous day of crime, real sculpted hair gets sweaty and limp and falls from form- as i suppose we'll see.
and thank you AICN by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 11:31:01 AM
for finally showing some batman scoop. this also shows that this reveal is jarring enough to even turn the opinions of AICN a little more towards accepting TDK as 'kewl'
knowthyself... by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Nov 27th, 2007 11:33:44 AM
you are my hero. there is no way someone could argue that Nolan's take isn't lightyears beyond than Burton's.
omg by imkida	Nov 27th, 2007 11:34:09 AM
you haters are seriously douchebags. he looks rad and it looks plausible as well. nolan, well done.
The long fingernails by Reynard Muldrake	Nov 27th, 2007 11:34:33 AM
sweet! says i. like saruman - there's just something c hilling and bizarre about a madman with the long nails. i'm in, completel y - nolan's worked up tons of 'benefit of the doubt' in my book and no one can prove otherwise. also - trailer soon? all these secret/newspaper sites...something's gotta happen soon
His makeup won't always look that smudgey by Oski	Nov 27th, 2007 11:35:17 AM
If you look at the pic released during the comcicon scavenger hunt where's holding a knife to Maggie Gyllenhall, it's a lot cleaner than that, same with the leaked pics that show that scene from a different angle. That is how he looks after he's been arrested and in the leaked pics, where Batman is kicking his ass in the interrogation room.
Me likey. by isispop	Nov 27th, 2007 11:46:27 AM
1 More positive vote. I love it. Just for the sake of conversation I would submit that I wonder what this same look, make up, etc., woulda looked like on C Glover or some of the other names that were bounced around. I love it here though & for one can't wait. Bats Begins ruled. I'm figuring after this one I'll get rid of all the Batman movies in my collection that were made before 2000. Burton's original Batman is the only one even close to watchable in that group. Hopefully after The Dark Knight I'll have the guts to finally dump all those old vhs tapes.
Frankenbastard by Nice Marmot	Nov 27th, 2007 11:51:19 AM
You're right and I know we won't get the comic version of the Joker by the end of this film, but I definitely think this is just Nolan's "Joker Begins." I think we'll be seeing him as the crazy, daring up & comer Joker, and if that's the case, I think he looks just fine. Whether or not we ever see Ledger's Joker in his prime, more powerful, polished, and Batman's ultimate pain in the ass remains to be seen. I have more complaints w/ Batman's new suit than the new Joker's look. Just because it's called The Dark Knight doesn't mean he should be wearing a medieval suit of armor.
Awesome! by BLEST	Nov 27th, 2007 11:53:35 AM
AICN covers TDK. Awesome! Oh, and the pic is cool too. :p
The hair by Reynard Muldrake	Nov 27th, 2007 11:55:19 AM
It would be nice if it was SERIOUSLY died completely green...not just some color gel in the hair, but i'm with Oski - he's been beat around and smudgy in jail or something
But what about Rachel? by Pipple	Nov 27th, 2007 11:56:20 AM
Will she suck out screen time once again in a limp dick love story that goes no where?
I hate to be a whiny fanboy... by GiggityGoo	Nov 27th, 2007 11:58:47 AM
...I really do. The clothes look great, the hair looks great, the bat-shit insane look on his face is great... but I'm bummed that his pasty whiteness appears to just be make-up. I was hoping for a chemically-altered snowy-white-skinned Joker, like the comical books. Still, I guess we haven't seen the entire movie yet, but... I was just hoping he'd be Joker "all the way".
not a DC guy...so this looks good to me by just pillow talk	Nov 27th, 2007 12:04:36 PM
a lot better than Nicholson's, that's for sure. I can't wait to see what Nolan does for a follow-up....
Sick of ripping on Burton... by BigTexas42	Nov 27th, 2007 12:10:35 PM
Hey all. Just a quick (or not)though. A whole lot of people are ripping on the Burton version of the Batman movies saying how lame they were compared to the Nolan incarnations. Now don't get me wrong, I loved Batman Begins, and i reckon I'll love TDK, but I think back to the summer of 1989, and I can't help but remember how much that film rocked my socks off. When you consider what had been done at the time, and were we were as a society (smack dab in the middle of glam rock 80's), the Burton batmans were quite dark. and the budget and special effects were the likes of which a comic book movie had never seen. The burton films paved the way for ALL comic book movies that followed, even the shitty ones. Yes, the nolan ones are more dark and gritty "real world", but we've been though a hell of a lot of shit as a society (the general malaise of the grunge era, two wars, the terrorist attacks) and our movies are fittingly getting darker and more "real". I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes, I agree that the Nolan/Bale batmans are better than the Burton/Keaton batmans, but only because it is an evolution. These new films wouldn't have been able to exist without the ealy ones. Burton didn't get it wrong, he just got it early. Thank you, I'll crawl back into my hole now. (steps down from soapbox, unwraps a grape blowpop)
If you want to see the Joker's purple gloves... by Oski	Nov 27th, 2007 12:13:51 PM
Do a google image search for The Dark Knight + Knife
How'd that nursery rhyme go? "Marilyn Manson had a pie..." by JackPumpkinhead	Nov 27th, 2007 12:17:40 PM
"Marilyn ate it with a cry?" God, this looks wretched. By the way, for a freak with alleged fetishism for "realism", Nolan sure loves to plagiarize Blade Runner's phantasmagorical cities for his "realistic" Gotham.
Half Joker, Half Riddler.....all awful by godhatesyou	Nov 27th, 2007 12:17:55 PM
This is the most dissapointing thing ever. He looks like a drunk with leaves in his hair. I think I'll give this one a miss.
"He doesn't look right!" by IAmMrMonkey!	Nov 27th, 2007 12:19:26 PM
Shut the f**k up.
"His face isn't white enough" by IAmMrMonkey!	Nov 27th, 2007 12:21:59 PM
Shut the f**k up.
Thank heavens the real Batman film is still there, though. by JackPumpkinhead	Nov 27th, 2007 12:23:21 PM
And the one true screen Joker Nicholson, too.
"He's not the Joker I wanked over in the comic" by IAmMrMonkey!	Nov 27th, 2007 12:26:01 PM
Yup, shut the f**k up.
Beetlejuice Returns by Pipple	Nov 27th, 2007 12:27:13 PM
It's showtime!
He makes Nicholson's Joker look good... by Bill Clay	Nov 27th, 2007 12:33:38 PM
And I thought no one could do a worse Joker than that! This is Cesar Romero territory.
it aint 'new's anymore .com by ironic_name	Nov 27th, 2007 12:39:04 PM
http://tinyurl.com/36q3h2
I'm confused by this picture by Kraken	Nov 27th, 2007 12:39:07 PM
There are a lot of little subtle things wrong with this. Is there a horse hoof coming out of the Joker's ass? Also, did the graphic artist draw little dicks coming out of the spray paint... yeah, they're suppose to be paint drips, but you know they were laughing about it when they were making the cover... and the biggest thing wrong... MUMMY 3??
Rachel was a complete misstep, Memories by Pipple	Nov 27th, 2007 12:41:08 PM
When was that ho in the comic book? fuck, what's wrong with hollywood and their love of the damsel in distress cliche?
To all the haters.. by Redfive!	Nov 27th, 2007 12:43:41 PM
Wait till at least a trailer comes out to start bashing the flick,Begins was a movie i had no excitement seeing then it turned out to be pretty much my favorite superhero film ever.Personally I think ledgers gonna blow it out of the water..and F*&K Jack Nicholson as the joker,that was NOT the joker,it was jack in makeup.
I'm just gonna wait for the movie... by sundancekeed	Nov 27th, 2007 12:46:57 PM
before I make up my mind on this one. Frankly, I'm a little underwhelmed by how Ledger looks. But then again, I haven't seen the script and I don't know WHY he looks like that. Are they planning on explaining Joker as a victim of the fear toxin? If you visit the Gotham Times viral website, there's an "article" regarding how exposure to the toxin has caused outbreaks of mental illness among Gotham's population. This would fit in with the "real world" aspects that Nolan's Batman inhabits. Otherwise, it's a shitty makeup job.
TOO JOKERY!!! by dancinggopher01	Nov 27th, 2007 12:47:25 PM
Jesus fucking Christ this looks great. A bunch of whiney bitches in here.
Looks Good by EliteStance	Nov 27th, 2007 12:48:39 PM
There is no room for earlier, dapper Joker incarnations in a film built on the world of Batman Begins. Now way in hell. You want that take on Joker look elsewhere. Simply put no joker ever in film has ever been menacing. Now, I'm going to wait until I see him in context, but from what I've seen so far this is a belivable, menacing joker. The look sure implies to me someone capable of anything... while remaining rooted in the half realistic world created for this Batman. I'm really curious what certificate this will get given it looks way darker than Begins which barely sqeaked into the lower ratings as it was.
Batman Forever by Series7	Nov 27th, 2007 12:49:09 PM
It looke like two face from that movie. I personally really like Batman Forever, its ridiculos yes, but its more a send up to the cheesy TV show. And for whoever is wondering about why this is coming from Empire, well yeah this may be an American founded movie, but like everyone in it is british. Everyone except Women Cruise and Morgan Freeman was british. And by British I mean all the isle's and australia. So why wouldn't it be on Empire?
My user name gives me the authority by Dark Knight Lite	Nov 27th, 2007 12:55:34 PM
to say THIS LOOKS GREAT. The "meh" crowd can eat it and go back to their Mommy's basement. Dark Knight Out.
He's doing a Two Face impression by I Dunno	Nov 27th, 2007 12:58:01 PM
At least they're trying to do the Joker right, instead of just being so grateful to get Nicholson that they just let him do whatever he wanted. Otherwise though, the Burton films were good. The set design and art direction were better and Michael Keaton was a more daring choice for Batman.
people not liking it just makes me feel good by ironic_name	Nov 27th, 2007 01:02:05 PM
dumb people are raising their blood pressure yelling about the joker, stupid.
I like it! It's real and it's frightening... by Zardoz	Nov 27th, 2007 01:06:55 PM
He looks like a guy that fell into some industrial chemicals...WTF did you think he would look like? It's very reality based, which is the theme of Nolan's Batman, and it works for me. Now, let's just hope the movie rocks, like I'm sure it will...
will we get a toy of this? by ironic_name	Nov 27th, 2007 01:07:21 PM
a shitty toy, or average toy?
I hate people who hate people that hate on people who hate by SpyGuy	Nov 27th, 2007 01:07:55 PM
So that gives me the right to say...Ennnh, better than Jack Nicholson's Joker, but still not as cool as Brian Bolland's Joker.
Nicholson was great through the first hour by deathbird	Nov 27th, 2007 01:08:18 PM
Like the movie itself, Nicholson's Joker devolves at the point when he becomes infatuated with Vicky Vale. Before that ludicrous turn, he was note perfect. Don't tell me the first hour of BATMAN wasn't enormously effective.
There are some nice touches by flossygomez	Nov 27th, 2007 01:13:07 PM
He obviously knitted together his own socks...that in itself is scary enough. Probably humming "Home Sweet Home" while he was watching a victim struggling to stay above the surface in a candy syrup vat.
Memories-Of-Murder by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 27th, 2007 01:15:18 PM
What, no "Bayformers" reference?! Unprecedented!
As Far as Nicholson goes by flossygomez	Nov 27th, 2007 01:16:48 PM
Campy. FAT. OVER THE HILL. Baked ham in clown white. Nothing to match there. His only good scene was the shooting of Boss Grisom in the first act. Was this the frighteningly thin and lithe Joker we were expecting. Um...NO.
More info on Ledger's Joker... by leobloom	Nov 27th, 2007 01:22:14 PM
courtesy of Michael Caine. Click this link if you want to know if the TDK Joker is make-up or chemically disfigured, according to Caine. http://tinyurl.com/3bs4ad
HE LOOKS GREAT! by THE KNIGHT	Nov 27th, 2007 01:22:22 PM
Very realistic take that'll fit in Nolan's world.
If... by Tourist	Nov 27th, 2007 01:23:13 PM
...anything, he's a little too colourful, a little too close to the faggot funny book character for children.
Hows about we wait to see how the movie is? by AshkeNasty	Nov 27th, 2007 01:23:31 PM
I will defend the look of the Joker in as much as A: its a nice change of pace from the Nicholson Joker and B: It fits within the utilitarian world that Nolan has built. Either way Nolan/Warner Bros. has my $12 come July.
Nice by Omar B	Nov 27th, 2007 01:23:33 PM
I like it a lot. He looks like a real world version of the Joker and that's what they were going for so I think it's successful in that sense.
Word by Muldoon	Nov 27th, 2007 01:25:32 PM
badass... but he looks like a child molester, which is probably a good thing... in this context only...
I dont know what you people want....? by awesomebri	Nov 27th, 2007 01:25:40 PM
I'm not a fan of the make up, or the cut smile, but that looks like the Joker to me. what else do you want?
Totally- by AshkeNasty	Nov 27th, 2007 01:31:31 PM
This looks like the kind of Joker where the things he laughs at are only funny to him...cause he's INSANE. I loved the 89 movie very much but I totally dig the cut smile over that ridiculous appliance that Nicholson wore...but then again, tha makeup with with the somewhat surreal world that the Burton movie created so who knows.
They want... by Tourist	Nov 27th, 2007 01:33:42 PM
...Him to look like he does in some of the funny books and that awful Batman vs. Predator short film. In other words, an extremely bright, goofy looking Disney villain that would be laughable for 99.9 per cent of the audience who have had outside exposure to the world. No offence comic book people, but you make him look and act like he does in the cartoon, or the TV series, or the more childish incarnations of the comic, and the film will be laughed off the screen. Nicholson's joker looked far more removed from the most common versions too, plus it sucked, and people don't whine about him too much.
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but he looks like by Doctor Zoidberg	Nov 27th, 2007 01:38:15 PM

Sweeny Todd, oh wait, everyone has said that by Doctor Zoidberg	Nov 27th, 2007 01:38:51 PM

It all comes down to... by AshkeNasty	Nov 27th, 2007 01:39:00 PM
...how he's played on film. And no one is going to know that until July. I dig the look but it really all comes down to the performance. Besides- Warner Bros/Nolan isn't paying us for our input or opinion so it really doesn't matter what we say! On top of all that, the movie is going to make bank regardless.
PERFECT! by supermarch	Nov 27th, 2007 01:47:51 PM
I'm fucking floored...
No the Haters are right... by micturatingbenjamin	Nov 27th, 2007 01:47:53 PM
It's never better than that fucking idiot version of Joker with his moustache showing through the makeup from the tv show, with the comically oversized mallets and jack in the boxes. Yeah, that was threatening. When you hear about clowns doing evil shit in real life? They look like John Wayne Gacy. This guy looks like a fucked up dude, not some fucking gaytronic-ass clown prince of crime. I'd be scared of this Joker,and the Dini cartoon Joker looked like this guy on the inside. Fuck, he's not going to be the Jack Nicholson version, or the Batman '60s version. He's not dapper enough? I don't get you guys sometimes. Fucking children.
I saw the Wizard World footage this last summer... by riskebiz	Nov 27th, 2007 01:49:27 PM
... and I was sold 200% on Heath. He is FRIGHTENING as the Joker. Creepy. Scary. I was blown away. I am so looking forward to this flick.
I love the whole Dave McKean vibe of the new Joker's styling by KillaKane	Nov 27th, 2007 01:49:57 PM
You just know he's batshit cazy and truly psychotic. Nolan's take is going to be significantly edgier than the Joker buffoonery of previous incarnations; more 'Killing Joke'in it's representation or Bat's arch enemy.
That was actually my issue with Batman Begins: by AshkeNasty	Nov 27th, 2007 01:50:17 PM
I'm kinda sick of every superhero needing a damn love interest. Batman does NOT need a love interest. He's waaaay too messed up for that. And too much of a loner. (my opinion) And Katie Holmes was just a blight on that movie. (universally accepted truth)
Frankenbastard... by micturatingbenjamin	Nov 27th, 2007 01:51:45 PM
Yeah, I'd show him a picture of the 40's Joker, adjust my smoking jacket and turn off my Ovaltine-sponsored episode of 'Little Orphan Annie' on the radio, inviting him into my parlor for a few shots of the old egg cream, and whilst I perused the most recent issue of Collier's or Look! magazine, I'd remember "Oh, yeah! Everything in the world moves forward in time, and I should probably move my calendar forward." Then, this Joker would shoot me in the face, crack wise, and paint a grin on my face in blood.
Killing Joke: by AshkeNasty	Nov 27th, 2007 01:52:36 PM
Let's hope so. Alan Moore's Joker was really F@#ked up.
Hoping there's a personal vendetta for the Joker by drewlicious	Nov 27th, 2007 02:00:09 PM
That's what makes him such a great foil for Batman. He knows exactly where to hit him where it hurts and makes it more tempting each time kill him once and for all. After all, if he does that the Joker wins. If he just turns out to be no more than a charismatic psycho I will be pissed.
Isispop by KristianUK	Nov 27th, 2007 02:01:04 PM
Hopefully after The Dark Knight I'll have the guts to finally dump all those old vhs tapes. You still have VHS?? And they cast Ledger as the Joker....
Don't get you guys by Turd Furgeson	Nov 27th, 2007 02:05:39 PM
I think this looks fantastic.. I have no doubt the performance will be right on.. Except for the casting of Mrs. Cruise for Begins, she looked too young, everything has been perfect. The make-up and the clothes look perfect and the look on his face taunting the camera is great...
Shades of Beetlejuice!!! by Andre the Frog	Nov 27th, 2007 02:09:08 PM
Looks like Keaton has switched to the other side.
Gary Oldman? by lagomorph	Nov 27th, 2007 02:09:12 PM
Is that you?
The Begins-verse is an Elseworlds... by stones_throw	Nov 27th, 2007 02:12:32 PM
Yes it is.
Obviously they can't have bleached white skin... by stones_throw	Nov 27th, 2007 02:16:19 PM
Because if a killer clown who fights a billionaire who dresses like a bat has white skin it just isn't realistic!
How about we retire the word "hater" forever, huh? by kevred	Nov 27th, 2007 02:21:41 PM
Regardless of how I feel about any given story, I'm fed up with everyone lazily tossing off the word "hater" left and right. It's a cheap, derogatory shortcut in place of actually making a point. If you can't even manage to make a coherent statement in defense of something, then just spare us all the talkback clutter and don't post, okay? No one really wants to see your four-word offhand remark anyway.
THIS BLOWS SHIT CHUNKS!!!! by rev_skarekroe	Nov 27th, 2007 02:21:48 PM
WHY CAN'T THEY GO INTO MY BRAIN AND MAKE THE MOVIE I HAVE IN MY HEAD!!?!?!? IS IT THAT FUCKING HARD!?!?!
What the fuck is he supposed to look like, asshats? by Kurzinski Valentine	Nov 27th, 2007 02:24:48 PM
He looks perfectly fine. Everything is 100% faithful to the character. Purple suit, green hair, white clown face, and he looks insane. This doesn't even come close to how much they fuck up the look of other shit like Transformers and X-Men.
Well said, stones_throw, by kevred	Nov 27th, 2007 02:25:32 PM
Well said. I'm neutral on the makeup/skin question, but the way you put that cracks me up.
Well said, rev_skarekroe, by kevred	Nov 27th, 2007 02:27:28 PM
Well said. It's a perfect satire of everyone's complaints, because it's exactly what we're all thinking, whether we admit it or not!
This image maintains my disappointment by Organs	Nov 27th, 2007 02:30:57 PM
If anyone remembers me from the last Joker thread, I was severely disappointed in Heath's Joker. I still am. In one picture, he looks like an emo boy. In another, like Leona Helmsley. And in this image, like a rapidly-aged bar fight victim. Keep in mind I'm sure he'll act it out just fine and I'm sure the script and screenplay and everything else is fine. But again, the look is so important, and even my mom was disappointed in the images of Heath as Joker. Still think I'm nay-saying just for the sake of it? Alright, let's imagine the last movie, "Batman Begins", except Batman's suit has an ocean-blue cape, cowl, boots, and speedos, while the pants and shirt are a pale gray and he has the yellow oval on his chest. And no other change. Would it still be the same movie? Ehh, probably, but you know that look would have really ruined it. Likewise, this Joker will have a severe negative impact on my viewing experience of this movie.
RE: sones_throw by Organs	Nov 27th, 2007 02:34:11 PM
Why not have bleached-white skin? They had fear toxin in the last movie and a villain who remembers Rome being burned. Not to mention, it's all the unnatural aspects of the Joker that makes him so unnerving. Believe it or not, Nicholson's came a lot closer. Oh, go ahead and hate me for it, but look him up and compare him to a comic image. He was a lot closer, and it's the contrast of psychotic madman with a neat, clean look that really spooks people.
LOVE IT! by kyle051554	Nov 27th, 2007 02:35:21 PM
This is awesome. People complaining that he doesn't look like he does in the comics probably also complained that Wolverine didn't wear yellow spandex in the X-Men movies. Translating comics to film is about capturing the feel of the source material, not necessarily the exact imagery. The Joker is supposed to be batshit insane, and judging by the photo, I am completely convinced that this is the correct appearance for the character in the movie.
RE: Memories-Of-Murder by Organs	Nov 27th, 2007 02:43:03 PM
Rose-tinted glasses? Keep in mind, I was a nay-sayer of Nicholson's for a long while, too. He was just a bit old, a little thick (I know, the Joker's supposed to be lanky thing) and at least six feet tall. But he had an outlandish thrill for killing people, and he had that huge grin. The grin is important. It's as important as the purple suit and the green hair. I'd even forgive the substitution of makeup (in the story) for the falling-in-a-river-of-chemical s angle if they could just get the grin right. And they didn't.
That is kinda fucked up how Nicholson's more comic accurate by Pipple	Nov 27th, 2007 02:44:53 PM
Never rub another man's rhubarb.
RE: a villain who remembers Rome being burned by tompiltoff	Nov 27th, 2007 02:47:15 PM
I don't think it was implied that fake Ras remembered Rome burning, just that his organizations history goes back centuries.
Looks like the make-up gun was set to "whore" by Mr. Waturi	Nov 27th, 2007 02:48:07 PM

Downtown Detroit late at night? by wowsucks	Nov 27th, 2007 02:49:29 PM
Look like a white boy who ventured into downtown Detroit late at night, got his ass beat, then tagged with green paint after shopping at Hot Topic.
CLOCKWORK ORANGE by abesapien	Nov 27th, 2007 02:51:00 PM
I love this pic. Not sure if anyones mentioned this but the pose and the look in the eyes is very Clockwork Orange. I love the fact that they are incorporating that influence. Hardly surprising since Clockwork is one of Nolans favourite films and was reported to be a starting off point for Heath's take on The Joker. Can't wait for this movie. I love Clockwork Orange.
how could any serious fan of batman comics not like this pic? by slappy jones	Nov 27th, 2007 02:54:43 PM
he looks fucking amazing.now obviously this could still be shit...if the past 15 years of film has taught me anything its don't believe it till you see it but this picture is fucking perfect as far as I am concerned. The Joker is my favourite character of all time whther it be film, movie, comic whatever. I love the joker and this picture to me looks perfect. I like nicholsons version but unfortunately nicholson was too old and round for it to really ever feel like the real joker...this picture nails how he should look. for me anyway.
Napoleon dynamite wants his hair back by Pipple	Nov 27th, 2007 02:54:48 PM

So it's makeup? by GrandMuffTarkin	Nov 27th, 2007 02:55:15 PM
I'm not thrilled with that. But if you can't fix it, you gotta stand it.
I honestly dont know hoe people can hate this... by RockLobster800	Nov 27th, 2007 02:58:06 PM
I mean he looks like a fucked up, homicidal, demented, emanciated clown dandy-whic is whatthe Joker IS!! I dont know what people want-all the joker could ever be was Heath in makeup-just as he was Ceaser in makeup, Jack in makeup-the fact that they made him a creepy as crazy as fuck looking Heath in makeup deserves kudos...I mean they could have done mr.J with huge chemcal burns and worn down skin if they were going to have the whole "fell into chemicals" thing, but they are doing some thing slightly different that looks spot on....and his clothes are perfect! How can you hate this? What were you xpecting?
skywalkerfamily do you measn not as subtle as the joker in the c by slappy jones	Nov 27th, 2007 02:58:23 PM
because he i so understated....silly.
Looking good, Mr Nolan by football	Nov 27th, 2007 03:02:05 PM
Can't understand what all the jitters are about. I have faith in this being the best Batman film in the series. Also, most of you wining maggots will go and see it despite all your bitching and you'll sit there with your pathetic little hard-ons hidden beneath your popcorn enjoying every fucking single minute. Don't say I didn't tell you so.
RE: football by Organs	Nov 27th, 2007 03:05:20 PM
Who's having the hard-on? The critics or the fanboys? And you know what, the fact that there's this much division in the reception of this and other images shows that this movie will not get the heightened appeal the last one did.
crackhead Oompa Loompa by Prossor	Nov 27th, 2007 03:08:20 PM
fired from wonka's factory for too much booze and coke lines
WTF is eggy yaaa? by Eyegore	Nov 27th, 2007 03:08:28 PM
I did a google search and got this frigging talkback. English? Do you speak it??
By Halloween and convention season next year... by Anna Valerious	Nov 27th, 2007 03:09:18 PM
You might spot a few cosplayers (Which would be males)/crossplayers (Which would be females) dressed as him. Looks way better than DJ Tanner trying to do Nicholson's with that Mardi Gras-looking mask...
Memories-Of-Murder by Organs	Nov 27th, 2007 03:16:05 PM
So tainting beauty supplies with Joker venom and flaunting it on national airwaves isn't characteristic of the Joker? Killing a man with a lethal shock hand-buzzer and laughing it up as he's cooking isn't characteristic of the Joker? He's not perfect, and I have my complaints on Jack's take on it, but he had his merits, too. Not to mention effort was put into his GRIN.
Look at Arkham Asylum: A serious House...for the perfect Joker T by conspiracy	Nov 27th, 2007 03:17:32 PM
It did not mess with who the Joker is, but made him gritty, real, and not the least bit "funny". I still am at a loss as to why Nolan though he had to dispense with DC Canon (Chemical disfigurement) in order to make a realistic Joker. All hope is that this guy has the acting chops to somehow make this mess the Joker; instead of simply looking like a West Hollywood bottom who got rolled on his way home from a night of Extasy fueled buggery.
Agreed about Begins having split anticipation.. by BLEST	Nov 27th, 2007 03:28:54 PM
The film barely cracked 200 mil and it did so slowly, over multiple weeks. It was word of mouth that made the film great and kept it going. Half of the people didn't feel like giving Bats another pass until they heard good recomendations. That said, most non-fanboys/non-talkbackers I know are REALLY looking forward to this movie. And Joker looks perfect.
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice! by Larry of Arabia	Nov 27th, 2007 03:30:07 PM
Anyone getting a Michael Keaton vibe?
Once someone uses "meh"... by slone13	Nov 27th, 2007 03:30:53 PM
...they effectivley reneder any and all opinions they may have had completely void. If one can't even form a coherent simple sentence to express his or her actual feelings, why should anyone bother listening to anything they have to say? Concerning the topic at hand, after Batman Begins, I have complete faith in Nolan's Dark Knight.
kevred by slone13	Nov 27th, 2007 03:33:41 PM
I concur with your stance on "hater". Let's do the same with "meh", too.
"Mere superficialities..." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 27th, 2007 03:34:03 PM
Hardly, M-o-M. More like the utter failure of a hygenically impure Timothy Burton. Jack's take on the Joker is just ONE interpretation. Some of it was great; some of it was hamfisted. Considering the goth-camp world it took place in, I hardly fault his performance for the dismal result that is the 89' film. Point being: people like and will continue to like different takes on the Joker. If you don't like one (or the other), just say so and move on. Sure beats trying to tell people what to think. Or haven't you learned that yet?
Gotta chime in about the Nicholson Joker by gavdiggity	Nov 27th, 2007 03:43:41 PM
I recently re-watched the first two (Burton) movies, and while I loved it at the time, Nicholson really is chewing the scenery in that first movie. Maybe I was too young to notice it when it first came out, but it hasn't aged very well. Personally, I'm all for a dark, maniacal, version of Mr. J. Also, anyone who's complaining about continuity changes in the new movie and not mentioning that Burton had the Joker as the guy who killed Bruce's parents, maybe you should watch Batman '89 again and get back to us.
I want that pic all over my door!! by ludmir88	Nov 27th, 2007 03:57:22 PM
colorfull and creapy. That's the joker at first sight.
Can Ledger even act? by Olee Starstone	Nov 27th, 2007 04:05:05 PM
I've seen alot of films with Ledger in and they all sucked. His brief cameo in Lords of Dogtown was the only performance I liked.
IMAX Dark Knight by kafka07	Nov 27th, 2007 04:08:42 PM
1, the IMAX version of TDK will be in 3D. 2, DC just announced they are NOT killing Bruce Wayne. And 3, this Joker fucking owns.
Olee: Yes. by Mostholy	Nov 27th, 2007 04:09:47 PM
I just saw him in I'm Not There last weekend, and it's a completely different side of Ledger than I'd seen before. He'll do quality work as The Joker, of this I'm sure.
Dark Knight, Watchmen and Indiana Jones by zooch	Nov 27th, 2007 04:12:52 PM
my three most anticipated films.
Dark Knight footage in two weeks by kafka07	Nov 27th, 2007 04:24:12 PM
8 minutes from TDK will be shown in front of I Am Legend
Heath Ledger is good for the part by zooch	Nov 27th, 2007 04:24:21 PM
because he can disappear into the role unlike a Jack Nicholson with paint on his face.
Dark Knight, Iron Man and Pineapple Express by SpawnofAchilles	Nov 27th, 2007 04:26:09 PM
are my three most anticipated movies right now, Summer 08 is shaping up nicely
He looks great. Fuck the "Meh"-ers. by Lance Rock	Nov 27th, 2007 04:27:57 PM
yes, you
Now that the taste of Shumacker is off by I Dunno	Nov 27th, 2007 04:29:47 PM
I expect TDK to make more than BB. Most of the people I talked to just assumed that BB was a sequel or prequel to the shitfest that was Batman and Robin. It was only 7 years later afterall. Now that Shumacker's stench has been aired out, I think this will be better received.
Complaining about "meh" by MC-909	Nov 27th, 2007 04:38:06 PM
Cut out the fucking wannabe-hip-shit. There is nothing wrong with saying "meh". There are times when that is the perfect phrase to describe something that illicits no emotional response one way or another. Plus, it's a perfectly bland looking word. Which I guess is kinda the point. As for this Joker though, I am very much not meh. I think it looks pretty fucking sick so far. Too bad this won't be rated R. That would be the cat's meow. Or should I say the bat's meow. Hahahahaha!
What if they cast Keaton in Justice League? As an old school Bat by Stormwatcher	Nov 27th, 2007 04:40:49 PM
All geriatric and pissed off at the younger generation? Wonder, this Joker rocks though.
Stormwatcher by MC-909	Nov 27th, 2007 04:43:24 PM
Because Diane Keaton would make a terrible Batman at her age.
It works. by Movietool	Nov 27th, 2007 04:49:06 PM
I admit I'm more a fan of the Animated Series Joker - but that's not the world Nolan created in Batman Begins - it's just not. I'm interested to see just HOW insane this version of the Joker is. Should be cool.
Still don't like it. by ZeroCorpse	Nov 27th, 2007 04:57:56 PM
The Joker is crazy, but he's a sociopath, not a psychopath. There's a difference. This Joker is "playing with his own feces" crazy-looking. He's unhinged, totally psychotic, and apparently has no grasp of what is normal. The real Joker is a sociopath. He's fully aware of the fact that he's not normal, and he revels in his being so strange and quirky. Most of all, the real Joker sees himself as HILARIOUS and FUN. This Joker doesn't look like he thinks he's fun. He looks like he thinks he's ready to put on a suit made from pieces of women stitched together. However, I can accept this as an ELSEWORLDS kind of tale. This is a different kind of Joker, but since when has DC ever put the mainstream DC Universe characters into live action? They always change them significantly. Whether it be Superman being cast way too young and skinny, Lex Luthor being cast as a funny guy, Batman having nipples on his batsuit, Bane being a mindless zombie, or Poison Ivy being a vamping idiot rather than a subtle murderess with an unhealthy obsession with her plants, DC characters are also substantially different from their comic book counterparts. I mean, you all fucking loved the Penguin as a goo-spitting slob running for Mayor. You applauded the representation of Selina Kyle as a mild-mannered secretary who gets powers after falling in kitty litter, so a Joker that is one part Droog and two parts Manson is just the ticket. I'm still waiting for them to get a DC movie right, but so far they produce what they THINK people want, rather than duplicating what has stood the test of time in the comics for 40+ years. Spider-Man stuck pretty closely to the look and feel of the comics. Huge success. Spider-Man 2 did the same, and it was also a huge success. Spider-Man 3 deviated from the comics in MAJOR ways (Pete never broke into song when he was wearing the black costume) and it STANK. Case in point. Don't change what works. I'll see Dark Knight, and I'll treat it like an Elseworlds tale. It's a what-if... As in "What if Charles Manson became the Joker?"
dark knight club by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 05:01:36 PM
i remember watching fight club for the first time, and thinking- man- tyler durden's formula for anarchy and gaining membership seems like something the joker should or could do...to run a whacked out criminal organization in secret and have guys that would obey his every command....throw in some clockwork orange, and i think we have some of this modern terrorist anarchist punk joker...
Looks Great! by Buckys_Kick_Ass_Arm	Nov 27th, 2007 05:08:30 PM
So glad that my instincts were correct on this one. Would've been horrible if he was... horrible
killing joke by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 05:08:49 PM
i hope there are enough threads of killing joke in this one- because i always liked the idea that both batman and the joker were just men.. and one day someting bad happened to them, and each one developed differently afterward. like the joker being well-meaning joe with tons of bad luck and hard times...each thing getting worse- compounding- until SNAP! god knows i've had days were shit is SO BAD you just have to laugh it off, you go a little crazy to get through it. when bad shit happened to bruce, he had the financial stability to turn his anger into something productive. in an opposite case, i can see someone lashing out at everything because they have nothing left. admit it, if batman was not wealthy and gadget stocked, he may have become a murderous vigilante. i doubt they will give joker's direct origin, killing joke only deals with his adulthood, but i imagine this joker's childhood has been pretty rough too.
It must be the socks by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl	Nov 27th, 2007 05:12:09 PM
Seems creepy enough for me.
chicks dig 'im by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 05:16:00 PM
you gotta admit, this is the kind of greasy, dirty, rockstar bad boy look and attitude that the chicks dig. This is how you get a Harley.
DAPPER...ARE YOU SERIOUS?? by SpawnofAchilles	Nov 27th, 2007 05:27:04 PM
frankly, having a guy run around with full on perfect clown make-up on is stupid...it was stupid when Jack did it and it would be even more ridiculous in the world Nolan has created which is less campy and more rooted in reality then burton's and THATS WHY IT WORKS, make it more real and people can connect with it, your average moviegoer will appreciate it more and while the fan boys and geeks will bitch and moan (see above) the movie will be better for it, it's not a comic, it's a movie BASED on a comic...plus who among us has ANY right to doubt Nolan after what he did with the first film? He's the reason (along with bale) that we are all foaming at the mouth for TDK to begin with and zerocorpse, the definition of psychopath fits much better for joker the sociopath, a sociopath is someone with an antisocial disorder who cant tell the difference between right and wrong, a psychopath is someone who is sociopathic but this manifests itself in aggresive, perverted, criminal or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse(but perhaps WITH glee muhahaha)...which sounds more like the joker to you? heath will nail it, plus, we are neglecting to look to the people who have seen footage (someone above mentioned seeing it and that heath is scary as fuck and looks great) and michael caine who said when he first encountered heath in character he was so scared he forgot his fuckin' lines and he's been doing this acting shit for a couple years (granted he was probably embellshing but its still a great sound byte) in summation, whiney fan boys...eat a bowl of dicks
Nick Stahl is playing Batman in JLA... by Lutz	Nov 27th, 2007 05:27:55 PM
There was a big article on here a few days ago about how Bruce Wayne is John Conner.
WHY AREN'T YOU LAUGHING???? by performingmonkey	Nov 27th, 2007 05:28:34 PM
The best moment in the whole of Batman is when The Joker and Batman are both laughing at the end of The Killing Joke. I wish they'd make a hard R movie.
I take a Slim Ledger over Fat Nicholson any day by Monkey_King	Nov 27th, 2007 05:30:21 PM
Nolan's incarnation harkens to the styling of the comics and WB cartoon, but with a decidedly John W. Gacy/Clownhouse feel.
It's maybe not ideal by JonQuixote	Nov 27th, 2007 05:34:03 PM
It's so hard to tell from just a still. I could nitpick. But it looks like they put a lot of thought into it. They could have just layered on the make up and gave him a bright purple suit and a big grin, cast Dane Cook and then go home and count their money. I prefer my Joker with a bleached white face, sure. This is Nolan's take on the Joker and I can't see one way in which it's illegitimate - the Joker can be feral and Gacy-esque, sure. Why not? He's a disfigured homicidal psychopath with a clown motif. Am I seeing a disfigured homicidal psychopath with a clown motif? Why, yes I am. At that point, I'm shutting the fuck up. I'm also recognizing that Rev_Skarecroe's comment is one of the most prescient this site has ever seen. Besides, I can't see one way in which Nolan has done something to squander the trust and goodwill he earned with BEGINS.
Ouch! by Hatemachine76	Nov 27th, 2007 05:36:09 PM
He looks like a Wal-Mart greeter gone bad...if said Wal-Mart greeter tried smoking a cig and huffing from a bag of gas at the same time.
Nolan is actually remaining so true to the source material that by William Landis	Nov 27th, 2007 05:39:11 PM
when some clowns cry "but it's make-up!" SPOILER At the start of the movie, The Joker applies make-up which is ephemeral. By the end of the movie it is permanent, so you've got your canonized Joker! Caine hinted at it recently but what he did not mention is that The Joker cannot take his make-up off. You may have noticed his look is what some might call "off-the-rack" and what he applies to his face is cheap & nasty shit. Voila, he is chemically scarred which is what we realise as he's taken into custody. And Nolan is British so it is only right that he pays tribute to Kenny the Tiger from Phoenix Nights! END SPOILER HahahAHahAhAAahaaHAHA!
That should be by William Landis	Nov 27th, 2007 05:43:04 PM
"Nolan is actually remaining so true to the source material that IT HURTS when some clowns cry "but it's make-up!"" Forgive me, I chanelled Jack Nicholson as The Joker.
MC-909 by Professor Falcon	Nov 27th, 2007 06:00:09 PM
Regardless of your opinion on the non-word "meh", the fact of the matter is that its inception into the English vernacular is almost solely due to the large number of whiny disenfranchised youth of this country who felt the need to create a new word to convey their lack of opinion on whatever it is they are discussing. The fact that said youth feel so compelled to tell complete strangers that they just don’t care about a particular subject matter to begin with is not important (though it IS highly amusing). Long gone are the days when people would bother expressing themselves in a thoughtful, properly worded, grammatically correct manner. No, nowadays it's "cool" to show your lack of concern (or more accurately, lack of creativity) by simply typing "meh". Why take the time to say "I'm not impressed" or "That does nothing for me"? Stating that something "illicits (sic) no emotional response one way or another" is far too much work, right? I mean, you've taken the time to post on a public forum for the sole purpose of expressing your absence of feeling, why bother taking another couple seconds to articulate your thoughts in an even remotely interesting manner? I’m sure the irony is lost on you, MC 909, but YOU are the wanna-be hipster here, not those seeking a moratorium on the use of the non-word "meh". You, sir, are the very type of person who can't be bothered to use the language you were taught back in 3rd grade to properly express your sentiments despite the fact that you’ve taken the time to make sure everyone knows that you couldn’t care less about whatever it is that is being discussed. You, sir, are a "meh-er". Worst of all, you then go on to end your post with a horrible pun, and follow that by laughing at your own pitiful "joke". Shame on you and your kind. I weep for the future. Class dismissed.
Caesar Romero's Joker Was Better Than This Crap by James Westfall	Nov 27th, 2007 06:01:30 PM
This is still crap, and Nolan is still very dead to me. In fact this shit is so bogus it makes not want to see 'Batman Begins' ever again.
It just... doesn't look like the Joker. by samsquanch	Nov 27th, 2007 06:10:41 PM
He looks like a college freshman dressed up like the Joker for halloween.
looks fucking great! by zodiac1012	Nov 27th, 2007 06:19:17 PM
Ledger will pwn this role.
I like Nicholson's joker... by Zardoz	Nov 27th, 2007 06:20:12 PM
... but that film was flawed. It's okay, but I really hate the Prince songs and Kim Basinger and they totally screwed up Batman himself: using guns and bombs to kill bad guys? Blasphemy! I like "Batman Returns" much better. (And "Batman Begins" was nearly perfect, IMO) Forget using Nicholson today, it's just ludicrous! And I actually think Ledger will be good in the part and that he looks great! So, everybody relax and enjoy the ride...
Catwoman = Evan Rachel Wood by CarmillaVonDoom	Nov 27th, 2007 06:30:33 PM
Ledger looks completely scary as the Joker: as it should be!
Right. That's It. by IAmMrMonkey!	Nov 27th, 2007 06:30:44 PM
When THE DARK KNIGHT comes out, I ain't reading the TalkBacks for it. All of the same critics from this TalkBack will be there spouting exactly the same rubbish about why they hated Heath Ledger's Joker. It's true and you know it. Every single person who has criticised his look on this TalkBack will walk into THE DARK KNIGHT determined not to like him and, after really enjoying themselves for an hour and half (probably even giggling in glee at some of the great stuff that they see), they'll come onto the TalkBack and go on and on and on about how his portrayal wasn't right, how he didn't look like the comics they read, how Jack Nicholson was better etc etc. Why? Because they won't want to admit that they're wrong! They won't want to admit that they wasted so much time whining and arguing when their energy could have been put to better use elsewhere. When exactly did Nolan make a bad movie? I can't remember it. Must have missed that one. When did he show the Batman fans that he didn't know what he was doing or that he didn't care for the material? Guess I must have missed that too!
Professor Falcon by systemsbroom	Nov 27th, 2007 06:53:44 PM
Not to defend lazy locution, but my dear professor, surely you realize that language changes over time, and that certain novel pieces of vernacular (such as the to-you odious "meh") are the very lifeblood of innovative discourse? Otherwise I fully agree with you.
Falcon by MC-909	Nov 27th, 2007 07:05:20 PM
I must concur with Systemsbroom. Falcon my dear chap, do you not realize that "doh" is in the dictionary? Oh, and I stand by my pun.
oh... by MC-909	Nov 27th, 2007 07:06:31 PM
...and third grade was hard.
The Joker has chosen viral websites and here's why... by Err	Nov 27th, 2007 07:17:25 PM
He knows that the Dark Knight will be this year's Little Miss Sunshine.
maybe he uses some cheap chinese make-up by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 07:24:23 PM
with lead in it, or otherwise toxic industrial paint to be permanent and last for days..because he's that fucked up and serious about it, and in the end it ends up really fucking up his face after repeated use.
Hellz Yeah! by sirbroiler	Nov 27th, 2007 07:29:25 PM
Heath is the JOKER!! Looks awesome. Naysayers die - or go spank it to Fantastic Four.
So until "meh" makes it into the dictionary... by crazyhorse2099	Nov 27th, 2007 07:29:30 PM
...why don't we drop the feigned lack of interest routine and actually string together a sentence with real words? Cause you just sound like a pissy 13 year old girl when you use "meh".
Michael Keaton by kferris61	Nov 27th, 2007 07:42:19 PM
I showed my wife this picture and she immediately said to me that looks like Michael Keaton wearing the makeup. I have to agree!
Brokeback Puddin' by Barry Convex	Nov 27th, 2007 07:50:04 PM
Heath Ledger does NOT look like the Joker. Nolan should have cast someone with a thin angular face like Christopher Eccleston or Adrian Brody. The Joker's nose is supposed to be pointy, not pudgy.
Jake Gyllenhall: "Why is the Joker looking at my ass like that?" by MrMysteryGuest	Nov 27th, 2007 07:54:32 PM
Cue "Brokeback Mountain" music!
Whats wrong with the Tim Burton Batman? by WolfmanNards	Nov 27th, 2007 08:23:12 PM
I like watching that movie.
You know who would have made a great Joker.... by vadakinX	Nov 27th, 2007 08:24:22 PM
Jack Nicholson....but wait...he's already played the Joker, so what the hell am I talking about? I'm talking about a little movie called "The Shining"...THAT was great Nicholson Joker...
Imagine Crispin Glover in that same makeup. by GibsonUSA	Nov 27th, 2007 08:28:58 PM
Now that would be badass.
"The Joker's nose is supposed to be pointy, not pudgy" by pdennett316	Nov 27th, 2007 08:31:04 PM
Oh grow the fuck up please!! And the rest of you to - "the real Joker blah blah blah.." THERE IS NO REAL JOKER - theres whichever interpretation you happen to like, doesn't mean the other interpretations are wrong. Oh, and Nicholson fucking ruled as the Joker - this Joker looks nothing like him, and I'm pissed off. See how that works? Difference is, I'm not actually pissed off about something so stupid as someone re-imagining the Joker for THEIR take on the universe. Oh, and the various comics suck ass just because they're comics, and as such poorly written though extremely well drawn.
lol it DOES look like a college freshman dressed up for Hallowee by GibsonUSA	Nov 27th, 2007 08:46:26 PM
lol after someone mentioned that and I looked again i lmao, its true! :)
have you people not seen the leaked pics? by nooneimportant	Nov 27th, 2007 08:50:00 PM
http://chuckiedreyfus.com/2007 /08/18/leaked-dark-knight-phot os/ Everyone go here and get up to date on TDK's Joker. They still have the leaked pics that were released a few months ago.
performance by Silverglade	Nov 27th, 2007 09:02:28 PM
I hear the complaints and the praise and I... think I can see both arguments of it. But based on the folks that saw the Joker in action at that whatsitsname convention, they said its the acting and performance that is... well... batshit insane. This Joker is nuts. I just hope the entire package is good. I am already planning (hoping) to hear about a 3rd one with Bale and friends.
Wake Me When It's Over. by Colier Rannd	Nov 27th, 2007 09:12:09 PM
This picture is as boring as Batman Begins and everything else Nolan is involved in. Wake me when people realize what a hack he is.
Fuck Aintitcool by robzass	Nov 27th, 2007 09:13:55 PM
The talkback on this site sucks. Seriously, I'm quitting. Whiny fanboys with no legitimate reasoning for their complaining. Nothing is ever positively recieved on this site. ever. I don't mind criticism but fuck whiners.
Burton's 89 Batman hasn't aged well. by Barry Egan	Nov 27th, 2007 09:15:19 PM
And Nicholson is horrible in it, almost as bad as he was in The Departed. Besides About Schmidt, has Nicholson been good in anything in the last 20 years?
robzass by James Westfall	Nov 27th, 2007 09:26:07 PM
A lot of us who can't stand Nolan's Joker have given legitimate reasoning for it on previous Talkbacks. I'll restate mine for you. I do not like the Joker's look here. I don't like the splotchy make-up instead of the bleached skin. I don't like the jagged, sewn-up mouth scars or the "pornstar after a shoot" lipstick job they've done over it. I don't like that he looks dirty and soiled, like someone just pulled him out of an asshole. To me (a lifelong Joker fan) this is not the Joker, and I can't support the film. As I said earlier, this is so bad that it sours me on the previous movie as well - it's that bad.
i'm... by blackthought	Nov 27th, 2007 09:28:14 PM
dying to see this. or more apt to kill to see this...hmm...
i'm used to the heath joker now, but by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 09:31:48 PM
if you watch knight's tale, i've always thought that either Alan Tudyk or paul bettany would have the joker 'look'...bettany a tall lanky sort, and alan tudyk, with black green hair...would be a great animated series joker...i was all for crispin glover after charlie's angels and willard...i mean, his descent into breakdown throughout willard is pure killing joke... oh well. I'm still looking forward as hell to this flick.
This Joker is already more effective and scarier than any other by performingmonkey	Nov 27th, 2007 09:36:12 PM
For a start, the fact that he paints his face, cuts it, lets it rot himself rather than falling in some chemicals instantly makes him much more of a fucked up human being, which is what he needs to be for the character to work here. The chemicals are always going to kill the reality, so it had to be done differently. We've already had the 'comedy' Joker on several occasions. The definitive comic book Joker is definitely in The Killing Joke and you can't tell me he isn't mentally screwed in that.
This is not the real Joker. by Barry Convex	Nov 27th, 2007 09:57:18 PM
This interpretation of the Joker is wrong.
in the old comic world- by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 09:57:22 PM
the joker was a guy..who's face get's bleached and hair goes green and suddenly, only then is that enough to drive him insane and figure, well, i guess i should go with the clown motif. well, that sort of origin thinking works when you are a kid. here we have a guy who is already into his style, for whatever reason, and so into the clown thing that he is willing to mutilate himself to look the part. when you argue that 'this isn't the joker'...well, then what joker do you want? the gangster with the white face from the early days? the ham who lived in warehouses with giant props and never killed anybody? the joker that went to the middle east to buy missles? i mean, c'mon- the characters evolve...all of them do. they are perpetually being torn down and rebuilt to suit the times. this will not be the definitive joker, but you have to see that in the comics lately, they were already heading into this territory.
Where's the fun? by darthvedder81	Nov 27th, 2007 09:57:58 PM
"Batman Begins" was OK but it almost seems like Nolan was so worried about not making a Joel Schumacher-type Batman film he let the pendulum swing way over in the other direction. I don't mind a "darker, more serious" Batman but Jeebus, have some fun with the characters once in a while. At the end of the day it's a comic book tale about a dude in a Batsuit who fights crime with gadgets. Don't take yourself too seriously.
performingmonkey by James Westfall	Nov 27th, 2007 09:58:05 PM
If 'Killing Joke' is the definitive version of the Joker (and I'd agree with you on that) then why deviate from that? In the 'Killing Joke' he was chemically scarred yet you're telling us that simply won't do - while at the same time explaining that the 'Killing Joke' is definitive.
complainers about the look- by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 10:08:07 PM
how is the clothing any different from what nicholson wore...that shit was even tackier. this has an air of tarnished class about it. A creepy, antique, retro feel..which is creepier because it is out of place in nolan's modern gotham. it's the remnants of a dead world. this joker doesn't go shopping in chain stores. he doesn't go to the tailor's...he hates society and thinks he is better than everyone else, hence the attempt at 'class', although mockingly. Jack's joker barely changed personalities whether before or after the bleaching. he was still just jack being jack. here, we have a guy actually probably going to give us a performance of some sort....and whether you think this is THE JOKER or not, it is a batman story, and most likely the darkest, deepest one we'll ever see for a while. i'm really getting tired of saying this in any talkback about comic adaptations, but....IT WILL NEVER BE THE MOVIE IN YOUR HEAD. i urge you to come up with something and present it to warner bros. make your dream version of batman. i guarandamntee you it will have it's haters. This is nolan's take on the subject, not yours. never will be. from what i know of books and comics, everybody gets somethin' different from them.
New viral game with a safe to crack... by BLEST	Nov 27th, 2007 10:11:51 PM
http://www.whysoserious.com/m ausoleum/ Superhero hype has the story on it, and the emails that people recieved with different months of the year, out of order. Codes for the safe maybe? Hope the trailer is inside.
i got that email by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 10:16:09 PM
i didn't know what the fuck to do with it- thanks BLEST
Ha ha ha by Ashok0	Nov 27th, 2007 10:18:07 PM
Haha I was just reading "Killing Joke", hilarious read. Esp. the bit with Gordon's daughter.
robzass is quitting AICN? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 27th, 2007 10:19:22 PM
When did he start? Does anyone remember seeing that guy? ;^)
Where's the fun? by JonQuixote	Nov 27th, 2007 10:25:01 PM
Jeez, guy. It's not like BEGINS was SCHINDLER'S LIST. The stuff about getting the car and building the suit, Batman's interactions with Gordon, Alfred's pithy comments, the fun Bruce had playing the shallow playboy were small but healthy doses of comic relief and levity. Yeah the movie had plenty and plenty of dark and scary moments and treated the "mythology" as something worthy of intelligence and consideration, but there's room for that type of Batman movie. You have plenty of movies and a t.v. show that emphasizes how goofy and stupid Batman can be. Let's see some that are more interested with how dark and brutal his stories can be too. Something that evokes the spirit of stuff like YEAR ONE, DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, BLACK & WHITE, y'know... the source material that's generally considered to be the BEST stuff out of the 65 years worth of writing. Please? Can we? Naw, I'm just kidding. Keep complaining. That's the only way we'll ever get a movie that satisfies everybody's slightest whim and preference.
ZOMFG by That 70s Venom	Nov 27th, 2007 10:26:17 PM
Heath is gonna freakin ROCK.
Baron Karza is right! It's Dr Rockso!!! by br1947	Nov 27th, 2007 10:27:44 PM

the new puzzle by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 10:31:46 PM
dude i have no clue. i will say i'm getting tired of the 'riddler' style puzzles. not the joker's M.O. at all. here's the email: If you've finished my quiz, then it's time for the next step in the interview process, something to test your aptitude. Spaces count: * Eighth * Sixth * Eighth * Ninth * Ninth * Second * Fourth * Second * Third then you go to the site and there's a safe to crack..with a dial of 1-100..and everytime you move it, it resets to 0 before the next turn. any ideas?
Dark Night Come by Khronos80	Nov 27th, 2007 10:35:33 PM
This movie will own the 90' version. Khrono- News about everything. http://www.popculturerx.com/
7:38 by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 10:41:03 PM
thanks batman-on-film.com!
So... by BLEST	Nov 27th, 2007 10:42:45 PM
Whats inside?
Latest info on joker puzzles by Oski	Nov 27th, 2007 10:44:42 PM
That email was the clue to find the site with the safe(whysoseriou/mausoleum). Everything is broken down at the new wiki for the viral campaign http://b atman.wikibruce.com/Home http://batman.wikibruce.com/Wh ysoserious.com/m ausoleum
I hope The Joker has a Hannibal Lecter-esque role in Part 3 by TiVo1138	Nov 27th, 2007 10:45:38 PM
As in the third part of the trilogy, The Joker is now confined to a prison cell in Arkham Asylum and Batman is working with him reluctantly for information.
don't know how that got solved by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 10:45:52 PM
but whatever. all you get is a freakin' note for more in a few days.
Oh... by BLEST	Nov 27th, 2007 10:46:15 PM
So nobody's cracked it yet? The fans'll have it by morning then. :)
it's cracked by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 10:51:59 PM
and HO HO HOLY SHEEET you would have really had to do your research from those other sites to ever figure it out. it's all there in that wiki article.
Nice Marmot by Frankenbastard	Nov 27th, 2007 10:52:05 PM
Thanks Nice Marmot for calmly writing something that makes sense and it’s refreshing to hear another person’s point of view, it’s a rare thing nowadays. All I’m saying is the look of this Joker and the direction they are taking it isn’t my cup of tea. From the look of the amped up Batsuit to the new Joker it just smacks of kids Halloween costumes. For the record when the Tim Burton version came out I hated it…I saw it 9 times in the theater but I hated it. The only thing that worked in that film was Elfmans score. It was all they had at the time so I tolerated the film but now there is zero reasoning for getting this wrong. The Watchmen (movie) creators might be getting it right for a change, you already have the conceptual art so put it on the screen.
toll free numbers on the new viral sites by zom-bot.com	Nov 27th, 2007 10:59:47 PM
call those numbers..i'm doing it now.
Can someone please explain the fascination by systemsbroom	Nov 27th, 2007 11:19:06 PM
with Crispin Glover? More specifically why do so many people feel he should be the Joker? I understand that Glover and the Joker are both skinny weirdos, but Glover has never seemed to be able to convey more than annoying/dismissable freak, instead of menacing freak.
Joker In Burton's Batman by WolfmanNards	Nov 27th, 2007 11:21:34 PM
The Joker in the '89 Batman was a good portrayal of the character. There were plenty of well done Joker moments. From Joker promising to give free money away to the people of Gotham only to gas them and laugh as he watches them all die before his feet to him shooting his right hand man for the hell of it. I loved how sincerely upset and saddened Joker was when batman "took my balloons". Come to think of all the great Joker moments in that movie, what exactly about the portrayal wasn't like the Joker? I can't think of any moments that go outside of Joker's motivations.
TiVo1138: He probably will be the Lecter by deathbird	Nov 27th, 2007 11:22:49 PM
The Batman/Joker relationship is awfully close to Graham and Lecter's; I suspect Nolan will capitalize on this. Can you imagine the interplay between the two, what with Dent's tragedy still fresh? Hell, I venture that the second last scene of Batman 3 will take place in Mr. J's cell, wherein our hero makes his moral triumph known to the clown.
Joker Rocked in '89 Batman by WolfmanNards	Nov 27th, 2007 11:25:52 PM
More great joker moments- Joker Burning his girlfriends face to make her a living piece of art. "MIRROR!" When Joker finds out his face is bleached beyond recognition, he laughs about it. The monologue he has with a toasted corpse. Just him and the smoking burnt corpse as he talks to it like its listening to him. When he's hanging for his life by his fingers on top of the cathedral, he can't help but laugh at how dramatic his situation is. I honestly don't see what ISN'T right about this joker. You guys don't really have a problem with him, do you?
Micturatingbenjamin... by Frankenbastard	Nov 27th, 2007 11:27:04 PM
Micturatingbenjamin I have to admit I was impressed with your use of the word egg cream. This joker would be too busy listening to My Chemical Romance to shoot anyone in the face. You are right I had no idea that the Batman comic has moved on since 1939. Why should they pay attention to what’s been written in the past at all? Hey why not make him some tall guy that stopped off at Hot Topic and got some crappy spray on faux punk rock hair color and some Woochie face paint…oh wait they are doing that. Look if you’re going to make a movie about one of the biggest comic icons in history and you want to say comics are great literature (and not “the funny papers”) up there with Shakespeare then don’t mess with the source material. That I dislike the look of this guy isn’t the real problem, that I have to see it magnified tenfold at comic cons by every idiot with access to their mothers make up drawer is what chaps my hide. Movie viewers nowadays are just like the scene in A Christmas Story where Ralphie is told on Santa’s lap he would like a nice football and he shakes his head in a agreement…”yes football”. Well I don’t want a freakin football!
JonQuixote by Ashok0	Nov 27th, 2007 11:45:18 PM
Well spoken.
If Batman '89 didn't exist, Nolan would have ridden off Batman ' by Ashok0	Nov 27th, 2007 11:47:09 PM
And I'm guessing that if Burton didn't do Batman '92, some idiot like Schumacher would have eventually managed to create a disaster of a franchise for Chris Nolan to clean up.
seems way too soon. by dr.bulber	Nov 28th, 2007 12:20:55 AM
i wonder if they should have waited until march or april if at all. too much saturation already. the viral stuff is fun but it gets tired after a while. even if the film is great people will feel let down because of all the build up.
Hey, hey, hey... by BLEST	Nov 28th, 2007 12:26:19 AM
Nobody's dissing on Batman 89. (well, a few are but I'm not.)I loved it when I was a kid, and I

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