I've got to get me a pair of those socks...

one that hates the make-up and thinks he doesn't look dapper enough.

and

one that loves the old-school comic look and can't wait to see this dark, sinister portrayal.

(There should also be an auxiliary third camp that is set aside specifically for anchorite and I am Batman.)

maybe as good as it COULD ever look.

count your blessings, thank Jeebus Nolan isn't going to fuck this up, and have your geekgasm.

there is no way someone could argue that Nolan's take isn't lightyears beyond than Burton's.

Unprecedented!

Fuck, he's not going to be the Jack Nicholson version, or the Batman '60s version. He's not dapper enough? I don't get you guys sometimes. Fucking children.

...they effectivley reneder any and all opinions they may have had completely void. If one can't even form a coherent simple sentence to express his or her actual feelings, why should anyone bother listening to anything they have to say?

Concerning the topic at hand, after Batman Begins, I have complete faith in Nolan's Dark Knight.

Point being: people like and will continue to like different takes on the Joker. If you don't like one (or the other), just say so and move on.

Sure beats trying to tell people what to think. Or haven't you learned that yet?

As for this Joker though, I am very much not meh. I think it looks pretty fucking sick so far. Too bad this won't be rated R. That would be the cat's meow.

Or should I say the bat's meow. Hahahahaha!

However, I can accept this as an ELSEWORLDS kind of tale. This is a different kind of Joker, but since when has DC ever put the mainstream DC Universe characters into live action? They always change them significantly. Whether it be Superman being cast way too young and skinny, Lex Luthor being cast as a funny guy, Batman having nipples on his batsuit, Bane being a mindless zombie, or Poison Ivy being a vamping idiot rather than a subtle murderess with an unhealthy obsession with her plants, DC characters are also substantially different from their comic book counterparts.

I mean, you all fucking loved the Penguin as a goo-spitting slob running for Mayor. You applauded the representation of Selina Kyle as a mild-mannered secretary who gets powers after falling in kitty litter, so a Joker that is one part Droog and two parts Manson is just the ticket.

I'm still waiting for them to get a DC movie right, but so far they produce what they THINK people want, rather than duplicating what has stood the test of time in the comics for 40+ years.

Spider-Man stuck pretty closely to the look and feel of the comics. Huge success. Spider-Man 2 did the same, and it was also a huge success. Spider-Man 3 deviated from the comics in MAJOR ways (Pete never broke into song when he was wearing the black costume) and it STANK.

Case in point. Don't change what works.

I'll see Dark Knight, and I'll treat it like an Elseworlds tale. It's a what-if... As in "What if Charles Manson became the Joker?"

Regardless of your opinion on the non-word "meh", the fact of the matter is that its inception into the English vernacular is almost solely due to the large number of whiny disenfranchised youth of this country who felt the need to create a new word to convey their lack of opinion on whatever it is they are discussing. The fact that said youth feel so compelled to tell complete strangers that they just don’t care about a particular subject matter to begin with is not important (though it IS highly amusing).

Long gone are the days when people would bother expressing themselves in a thoughtful, properly worded, grammatically correct manner. No, nowadays it's "cool" to show your lack of concern (or more accurately, lack of creativity) by simply typing "meh". Why take the time to say "I'm not impressed" or "That does nothing for me"? Stating that something "illicits (sic) no emotional response one way or another" is far too much work, right? I mean, you've taken the time to post on a public forum for the sole purpose of expressing your absence of feeling, why bother taking another couple seconds to articulate your thoughts in an even remotely interesting manner?

I’m sure the irony is lost on you, MC 909, but YOU are the wanna-be hipster here, not those seeking a moratorium on the use of the non-word "meh". You, sir, are the very type of person who can't be bothered to use the language you were taught back in 3rd grade to properly express your sentiments despite the fact that you’ve taken the time to make sure everyone knows that you couldn’t care less about whatever it is that is being discussed. You, sir, are a "meh-er". Worst of all, you then go on to end your post with a horrible pun, and follow that by laughing at your own pitiful "joke". Shame on you and your kind. I weep for the future.

Class dismissed.

All of the same critics from this TalkBack will be there spouting exactly the same rubbish about why they hated Heath Ledger's Joker. It's true and you know it.

Every single person who has criticised his look on this TalkBack will walk into THE DARK KNIGHT determined not to like him and, after really enjoying themselves for an hour and half (probably even giggling in glee at some of the great stuff that they see), they'll come onto the TalkBack and go on and on and on about how his portrayal wasn't right, how he didn't look like the comics they read, how Jack Nicholson was better etc etc.

Why? Because they won't want to admit that they're wrong! They won't want to admit that they wasted so much time whining and arguing when their energy could have been put to better use elsewhere.

When exactly did Nolan make a bad movie? I can't remember it. Must have missed that one. When did he show the Batman fans that he didn't know what he was doing or that he didn't care for the material? Guess I must have missed that too!

Oh, and I stand by my pun.

I'm talking about a little movie called "The Shining"...THAT was great Nicholson Joker...

;^)

Batman 89 was great at the time, but hasn't aged well. The only way I could use to describe B89 is 'proto-emo'; it's all a bit too angsty and existential and gothic romance for me - great when you're 17, but not when you're 35.

And as for Nicholson's Joker - since when was the Joker an old, fat day-glo clown?

there was a rumour that the koker may have been seriously affected by the fear gas..

and when i saw the water purification photo on hahahatimes, with 'germs' in the water drawnin, with "i survived" being circled from a news item above the ad, and the red circle having a line pointing to the water,

I figured it was true, the joker is affected by chemicals, but not a vat of n20 and peroxide.

remember cage looking in the mirror and smiling at himself? or saying that hes not 'him' - but 'HIM'.. and you hear travolta?

what if he saw a half naked, jaundiced version of himself in the mirror?

i thought maybe cesar romero, but i googled.. sorry.

That is all.

It may be time to update your book of English colloquialisms.

He's like a retarded kid that won't stop rubbing shit in his own hair.

Incidentally, I myself played the Joker once. When the first TDK publicity site came online, I was the one who quickly made a MySpace page with that same page title as my URL and set up a Joker page. For those of you who don't remember it, it was the one that featured the song "Mr. Sandman" in the background, a red smiley face for a photo, and daily blog entries that, honestly, I had to stop writing after only a few days because they were starting to affect my personality negatively when I had difficulty separting myself from the character himself.

Having said that, I was amused when I later heard that Ledger was writing a Joker journal of his own to help him get into the part. However, I find myself concerned about his state of mind. I had to quit and remove the MySpace site after only about a week for the aforementioned reasons. I wonder how he's dealing with it, now after several months.

Incidentally, I myself played the Joker once. When the first TDK publicity site came online, I was the one who quickly made a MySpace page with that same page title as my URL and set up a Joker page. For those of you who don't remember it, it was the one that featured the song "Mr. Sandman" in the background, a red smiley face for a photo, and daily blog entries that, honestly, I had to stop writing after only a few days because they were starting to affect my personality negatively when I had difficulty separting myself from the character himself.

Having said that, I was amused when I later heard that Ledger was writing a Joker journal of his own to help him get into the part. However, I find myself concerned about his state of mind. I had to quit and remove the MySpace site after only about a week for the aforementioned reasons. I wonder how he's dealing with it, now after several months.