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First?
by Shivv
Nov 26th, 2007
05:44:36 PM
Or locked?
Does this mean Heroes will have more episodes this season?
by Drath
Nov 26th, 2007
05:46:19 PM
Does it mean Journeyman will get more epsiodes? Does it mean Reaper and Chuck will get more episodes? Does it mean Pushing Daisies will get more episodes? Does it mean next year will not suck dog crap for entertainment?
What if I want to support the moguls?
by hulkdog
Nov 26th, 2007
05:47:34 PM
Is there a petition I can sign to support them. Specifically, I'd like to keep the "Heroes" writers out on strike as long as possible, and hopefully, the studio can dig up some scabs or fanfic writers to give us better stories.
Cool! Now get back to work on "Lost"!
by Zardoz
Nov 26th, 2007
05:48:20 PM
And fix the script for "Star Trek". Chop chop!
I wonder
by Shivv
Nov 26th, 2007
05:48:55 PM
how much the writers caved. We know the studios were ready to go with reality programming so I would think it's unlikely that they buckled. The writers, on the other hand, were looking at the real possibility that they would have no jobs to go back to.
Fuck the Writers!!! Hire the Family Guy Manatees!!!
by Sequitur
Nov 26th, 2007
05:49:27 PM
see I made a funny
"Possible before Christmas"
by Heckles
Nov 26th, 2007
05:51:06 PM
Wow, so this source says it's possible the strike could be settled in a month. Crazy. This 'inside source' should really hide out, they don't want their cover blown. Here's a scoop: the sun might come up tomorrow. If you use that nugget, call me: Yourinsidesourceisadouchenozzl e.
You knew the days were numbered when
by Barry Egan
Nov 26th, 2007
05:51:26 PM
feature films started falling apart. Angels and Demons, Pinkville, the Depp and Pitt films. The studios could put reruns and reality on for weeks and months, but they couldn't not have tent pole movies for winter 2008 and summer 2009.
Yeah, what Drath said...
by MemBirdman
Nov 26th, 2007
05:52:46 PM
What does that mean for the current seasons? if it gets done by XMas, does that mean we get full seasons for most shows?
I'm glad they're taking their sweet time
by chrth
Nov 26th, 2007
05:56:16 PM
Because, you know, those out of jobs (caterers, grips, electricians, etc) because the writers shut down production must be given the opportunity to explain to their children why Santa isn't coming this year.
Will Buffy be back then?
by GuyGardner
Nov 26th, 2007
06:00:14 PM
Ok, so seriously, why does it take till Christmas if they have a deal, basically? The writers need to get back to writing, so we can get full seasons of all of our shows.
But chrth
by Shivv
Nov 26th, 2007
06:01:18 PM
didn't you see how the SNL writers did a benefit for their crew? I mean, it was in a comedy club and was attended by mostly friends and family, but I'm sure it raised a good $200 a crew member.
Shivv: I'm not saying they all suck
by chrth
Nov 26th, 2007
06:04:29 PM
Just most of them. Besides, $200 wouldn't buy Hannah Montana tickets. And we know Christmas would be ruined without them.
boo -yah
by Charlie Murphy
Nov 26th, 2007
06:25:01 PM
yeah, i said that. it's making a come back
Hard-working writers gotta eat.
by Darkman
Nov 26th, 2007
06:28:16 PM
...also making a comeback.

Seriously, this is good news if it's true.
good to hear
by lex romero
Nov 26th, 2007
07:28:54 PM
Would hate for it to last into the new year, hopefully if it gets finished this year we can get full series of everything as well.
Don't believe it
by AlwaysThere
Nov 26th, 2007
07:50:21 PM
You'll be setting yourself up for a potential disappointment.
yeah get LOST back on time
by CherryValance
Nov 26th, 2007
07:53:14 PM
That's all I care about. I don't care who eats.
I SUPPORT THE WRITERS ON THIS ONE.
by Pound Sand
Nov 26th, 2007
08:00:48 PM
I hope this rumor is true, and it's settled favorably ASAP.
I hope the writers don't cave...
by Phimseto
Nov 26th, 2007
08:17:27 PM
...this is the biggest issue they've faced down possibly ever.
Clearly the petitiononline.com petition worked!
by Creamery Butter
Nov 26th, 2007
08:53:07 PM
What? Those never work? And people who think they work are idiots? Right, I forgot.
Writers are destroying entertainment!!!
by Literarywanderer
Nov 26th, 2007
09:00:08 PM
I just don't get all this love for the writers. It's not simply because I loathe unions (completely) that I hate this strike, I think the writers are really overrating themselves. The more they ask for is just another increase on cost of production making it harder to make any series and sure to make producers even more hesitant to experiment with odd, unique stories. Yeah writers, you're saving the business.
And by cost...
by Literarywanderer
Nov 26th, 2007
09:04:46 PM
Yeah, you're all going to say "it's only an extra .4%" but that is the point. All this hassle for a measly .4%? Who was the more selfish? The writers wanting a bit more costing crew salary (which I know easily outgrosses what little any of these writers will make extra with their .4% since the talented writers already have agents inserting greater percentages into their contracts) or us, the people, expecting to be paid. Just wait. When writers, actors, and directors want so much don't be complaining with you have fifteen minutes worth of commercials for a half hour program and movie tickets reach $20. Sorry, if writers were "talented" they would have steady work rather than relying on past work to help them survive till the next gig. By the by, if they were smart, writers would copyright their material, invest in it themselves, and keep all the profits. That's if what they wanted was fair compensation.
Sorry, typo in my insomnia laden post...
by Literarywanderer
Nov 26th, 2007
09:07:08 PM
When I typed we, the people expecting to be paid I meant we, the people expecting to be paid with great programming in exchange for our hard earned cash. I need sleep!
celebrity rehab- i support the drugs on this one.
by dr.bulber
Nov 26th, 2007
09:21:28 PM
who needs writers.
What about Battlestar Galactica?
by teethgnasher
Nov 26th, 2007
09:30:04 PM
Dammit, I need 20 episodes for 2008!
Literarywanderer - your logic is, well, not
by Razorback
Nov 26th, 2007
09:46:24 PM
Writers in the business don't usually get long term contracts in the business. When a show ends the writer moves on. Or do you believe that one 5-year gig is enough to feed your family for 50 years?
Herc, no shout out?
by Abin Sur
Nov 26th, 2007
10:39:26 PM
Dude, I posted this exact same stories like six hours before you in just about every TB being read...I KNOW I was the first person you heard this from.
This will get knocked off the front page, finally...
by Mister Man
Nov 26th, 2007
11:26:51 PM
when the real reason for Trent Lott's resignation surfaces in the mainstream media. "Happy" holidays!!
Coming Summer 2008: Strike Part II: The Wrath of SAG
by slder78
Nov 27th, 2007
12:16:50 AM
Then Pt.III The DGA, this time it's personal. I'm not sure there'll be labor peace for a while.
more LOST
by JeffManSixtyFo
Nov 27th, 2007
02:58:40 AM
Well purely as a LOST fan I'm glad TPTB are talking.I may not have to suffer through half a season.It'd be like knowing you were going out with the prom queen but only getting to 2nd base.Like a fool you still go and then leave all frustrated.That said I'm done with SNL.MAD TV has been funnier.After the Thanksgiving clip show where the SethRogan twins skit was shown for the 3rd time in 2months I've lost all respect for those guys.Whats the big idea of putting the Belushi/Radner/Ackroyd/Murray sketch at the end of the show?!!
Literarywanderer
by Trader Groucho 2
Nov 27th, 2007
03:24:19 AM
What Razorback said. Oh, and the real residuals issue is getting paid for viewings over the Internet. NBC has skirted paying its Office staff, claiming that work is "promotional". And they're running ads during their promotions (they're calling entire episodes "promotional") to make money off their "promotional" material. This strike is really about the survival of the guilds - WGA, SAG, and whether they think they're above all this or not, the DGA.
Established writers use their residuals
by Trader Groucho 2
Nov 27th, 2007
03:30:12 AM
to pay the mortgage between gigs while they're dreaming up - on spec - all the cool shit we talk about here.
Literarywanderer is a failed writer....
by The Dum Guy
Nov 27th, 2007
03:41:44 AM
I can smell it... or is that my own failure.
Can we get the 24 writers to stay on strike?
by Pops Freshemeyer
Nov 27th, 2007
04:33:20 AM
Sure, there's a chance they could do something interesting to erase the total shittiness of the last three seasons, but I seriously doubt that will happen. But anything that keeps additional shitty episodes from being made can only be seen as a good thing...
Too bad Paul W.S. Anderson isn't American
by JackPumpkinhead
Nov 27th, 2007
06:07:00 AM
If he went on writing strike, I'd support his time off until 2098.
Deal's done, but strike ends in four weeks?
by GrandMuffTarkin
Nov 27th, 2007
07:03:30 AM
So basically, it's not done.
Razorback
by spud mcspud
Nov 27th, 2007
07:58:33 AM
Methinks there are too many non-clued-up people in here assuming that all writers get paid like Joe Ezsterhas. Wouldn't THAT be fucking grand. But the fact is they're not, and the studios are trying to con and blindside writers into accepting a measly amount on TV and film rights if they also sign up (unknowingly unless they REALLY read the small print) to having no residuals on their work going on the internet. If this goes through and gets agreed, the studios will then do everything they can to get people interested in viewing stuff on the internet, because at that point the studio will get ALL the profit and the writer will get NONE because they didn't get the deal for the residuals on their work being viewed on the internet.

You seem to have grapsed this simple point. Why the fuck are there so many dumbasses on here who fucking don't?

Keep the writers on strike!
by IAmMrMonkey!
Nov 27th, 2007
08:03:43 AM
All tv shows should be written here on AICN TalkBacks. Each TBer could take one line at a time and then we could only blame each other when things suck.
For the dumb shits
by spud mcspud
Nov 27th, 2007
08:06:28 AM
You work in Store A. You get commission - let's say 0.4% - on every gas-guzzling Hummer you sell from Store A. Every time that Hummer does 10,000 miles, the store gives you 0.4% of the total cost of that Hummer. And you get paid a one-off amount of money for working at Store A over a predetermined amount of time. This amount won't get you by for more than a couple of months.

Now imagine Store B opens. Still selling Hummers, only this time you get a fraction more money for being there a predetermined amount of time, but it last you maybe 10 weeks in stead of 8 - that kind of difference. But there's NO 0.4% commission every 10,000 miles. In fact, every time the Hummer does 2,000 miles, the store gets back ALL the commissions - and it's more than 0.4%.

If YOU are the salesman, would YOU really want to be forced into Store B because the owners, who want a LOT more profits and don't want to pay the silly bastards who INVENT those Hummers they're selling, decide to open Store B, invent these new UNFAIR rules, and then close Store A so you HAVE to work to the Store B rules? Wouldn't that PISS YOU OFF???

Without writers, you don't have ANYTHING to make or produce. These caterers, grips, runners, and everyone else that the dumbasses on here keep on referring to, DON'T HAVE JOBS WITHOUT THE WRITERS - because without the fucking writers, what exactly ARE THEY GOING TO BE MAKING?

Yep. I'm a Celebrity Jungle Twat Get Me Out Of Here And Into The Celebrity Big Brother Beauty And The Geek Next Top Model Joe Millionaire House. It is that bad. Do you REALLY want to watch Z-list slebs in shitty made-up situations for the rest of your worthless lives?

Right. So stop throwing toys out of prams and SUPPORT THE FUCKING WRITERS.

What will POUND SAND do when this ends?
by IAmMrMonkey!
Nov 27th, 2007
08:07:32 AM
Having posted I SUPPORT... in every TB for the last few weeks, he's going to have to find a new catchphrase!

I SUPPORT POUND SAND'S NEW CATCHPHRASE!

bacci40
by spud mcspud
Nov 27th, 2007
08:07:57 AM
You said it, my friends. Fuck all those who walk on top of others to make their bucks. Treat your fellow man with fucking respect, and you will get it back. Fucking studios suits have no clue how to be human any more. Fuck them all.
bacci40
by spud mcspud
Nov 27th, 2007
08:12:10 AM
As a sympathetic Brit, I fervently hope the dollar down turn doesn't get any worse for you guys. Maybe if someone in Congress or the Democrat party can actually find their nuts, they could maybe get an IMPEACH BUSH camapaign going that ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS. The sooner the Smirking Chimp is doing time for war crimes, the sooner you guys can get a sane Prez in that Big White House and you can get back to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Because those documents are the foundation of a fucking great democracy, and should be treated as such - not just a "goddamned piece of paper" (copyright Dubya, 200whenever).
Keep the writers on strike! - IAmMrMonkey
by spud mcspud
Nov 27th, 2007
08:13:22 AM
"All tv shows should be written here on AICN TalkBacks. Each TBer could take one line at a time and then we could only blame each other when things suck."

Don't we do that already?!?!? ;p

birdy birdman
by spud mcspud
Nov 27th, 2007
08:14:53 AM
I vaguely recall the word being bandied about in YOUNG GUNS II - but what in hell is a Pinkerton?!?!?
spud: we like the dollar going down in value
by chrth
Nov 27th, 2007
08:20:32 AM
Makes domestic goods cheaper which results in more jobs in the US. We're good with it, but thanks for your concern.
More on a weak dollar
by chrth
Nov 27th, 2007
08:30:21 AM
Hurts Europe a lot more than the US; fewer American tourists go to Europe, preferring to spend their money in the US (still has the same value there). California wine becomes cheaper than French wine, American goods become cheaper than European goods so they'll be sold more in both the US AND Europe, while European imports plummet. So unemployment will go up in Europe while going down in the US, and since we already have no unemployment issue, this is a good thing.

Well, for the US anyway.

A Pinkerton...
by BigTexas42
Nov 27th, 2007
10:05:32 AM
is a kick ass album by weezer. Pink Triangle: story of my life.
glad to hear it
by BLWiseass
Nov 27th, 2007
10:24:34 AM
now make sure I get Lost and the shield this spring.
while i support the writers and think they deserve residuals
by BLWiseass
Nov 27th, 2007
10:28:08 AM
on new media, I hate the argument that "without writers, we wouldn't have the shows you watch etc" because without the studios investing (gambling) their money & "suits" to oversee everything, there wouldn't be enough people producing anything of quality, and we'd all be stuck with crappy home made you tube shows. And nobody wants that.
Existential Question
by KDog629
Nov 27th, 2007
10:44:12 AM
Are any of the writers using their time off to drink beer, and cheat on their wives with sexy tomboy beanpoles? Hey...if "gotta eat!" is back...
If only they wrote things worth being paid for
by WarpedElements
Nov 27th, 2007
11:29:05 AM
MMm...Summer Remake II: Raping your childhood! Asian Horror Movie "Re-invisioning": Staring some ditzy broad! And we pay people for this shit? Yeah, they should get more money, when they're not being paid to write utter crap. Remakes, old cartoons into movies, turning foreign cinema into american movies, and pretty much churning out utter crap, does not deserve extra money. But hey, keep rewarding that shit and maybe one day you'll have maybe TWO good movies out in one summer!
fuck you source
by BurgerKing
Nov 27th, 2007
01:28:05 PM
God damn I wish I didn't see this until something more concrete came through. Now if it doesn't happen I'll be super fucking disappointed, and I have this itching feeling it won't happen.
WHAT ABOUT THE LOST WEBISODE MODEL?
by filmfanatic1
Nov 27th, 2007
01:57:30 PM
What about the model for webisodes shown here in this recent NYT article? This would be a good start for negotiators, if it isn't already. “Lost: Missing Pieces” paid the writers of each short episode approximately $800. For that the studio received the right to run the episodes on Verizon cellphones for 13 weeks. After that period, repeats of the episodes or their transmissions on other media — like the Internet — would generate residuals for the writers of 1.2 percent to 2 percent of the fee the studio received to license the material. Therefore, the episodes now running on ABC.com, each preceded by an advertisement, are generating for the writers a 2 percent residual. In its contract negotiations, the Writers Guild is seeking 2.5 percent for similar work in the future. http://tinyurl.com/2xh2yf
You assume that writers paid more must equal more cost to us?
by Eyegore
Nov 27th, 2007
03:03:32 PM
And you would blame the writers? It's not mandatory that management passes on the cost to customers. It's a choice. Granted, one that's pretty well ingrained in american business, but at the core it's bullshit greed. The studios are already maing obscene profits. They can eat the loss from that and don't need to pass it on. If they do, don't blame the writers. Blame the studio heads and bean counters. They make the decision on how much profit should be made and how much to keep as 'pure profit'. They could easily turn the profit meter down a notch and believe me, none of them will go hungry over it.
WTF is eggy yaaa?
by Eyegore
Nov 27th, 2007
03:07:31 PM
I did a google search and got this frigging talkback. English? Do you speak it??
Spud McSpud
by Trader Groucho 2
Nov 27th, 2007
03:13:05 PM
Pinkerton was the domestic Blackwater of the late 1800s and early 1900s across the pond here in the colonies. Paid goons who broke up picket lines with clubs, fists, even guns. They also did what we would euphemistically call "private security contracting" for the railroads.

I appreciate your support for the writers.

Another way to look at residuals is it's an A/V version of book royalties. Stephen King gets a cut on every book he sells. In like manner, each viewing of a film or TV show is a sale. The audience is paying either by ticket at theater, DVD sale or rental, pay-per-view, monthly premium cable fees (Showtime, HBO), or by watching advertisements.

Actors and directors are entitled to residuals as well for their contribution to the creative process. Film and TV are collaborative arts.

chrth knows how much Hannah Montana tickets cost.
by scudd
Nov 27th, 2007
04:27:39 PM
Just wanted to point that out.
I don't believe this.
by _Maltheus_
Nov 27th, 2007
05:46:51 PM

I don't buy the "it's done, but it'll take another four weeks to finish." This is clearly a bogus tip. If they got past their disagreements, then they'd spend every waking moment to finish up any paperwork in days. It may be over by Christmas, but I doubt this guy really knows one way or the other.

As for the whole support the writers / don't support the writers argument, why is it so hard for some to realize that nobody is forcing these people to take these jobs? Real people make the necessary compromises to put food on their table. Either you accept what the job is offering, or you move on. I can't believe how many of you have used the word "entitled" when describing the writers. The only people who are entitled to profits are those who've put their own money on the line. You know, like the shareholders (and even then, there are no guarantees). I'm no fan of the studio suits, but they're clearly free to run their business however they want. You're not entitled to take things from other people just because you want them. That's the problem most of the country has with California. Like it or not, you come off as a bunch of communists and most of the world has moved past that failed, absurd "philosophy." If the studios want to cough up the money, so be it, but don't act like it's rightfully yours.

Are there honestly people who think
by Goody2shoes
Nov 27th, 2007
11:42:15 PM
Writers are the reason the rest of us have jobs in this business? I am totally for what the writers are striking for. That being said, they are just a cog in the machine. A creative cog, but a cog nonetheless. The whole "without the writers..." argument doesn't hold any water. Take out one department and any production falls apart. Accounting, no one gets paid. Grips, nothing gets set up. Electrics, nothing gets lit. Locations, I hope you like green screens cuz you're not shooting anywhere that's not a stage or a backlot. Production, nothing gets DONE. I could go on and on. I completely support the writers, but those of us in the business know that if anyone of the departments just mentioned (and ones I didn't) went on strike, everything would grind to a halt. Not in a month or even a week. That second. I'll put it to you this way: I've been working on a studio feature where we were without a script for a month and a half. Granted we're in preproduction, but it was business as usual. Just wanted to end the ridiculous "no one in this business would have job without writers" line of thinking. That can be said of everyone. Hope the studios cave soon, I've got some hungry friends out there.
Goody - I agree but
by Trader Groucho 2
Nov 28th, 2007
01:06:55 AM
if the movie sucks, NOBODY ever blames the grips. Why? Writers are the originators in the collaborative creative process.
Maltheus
by spud mcspud
Nov 28th, 2007
07:29:39 AM
Okay. So if you invent something, and someone else puts their money in, but figures out a way to make money off it FOREVER, you should be happy with your measly one-time payout? 'Cos THAT'S what this is all about: studios wanting the writers, eventually, to just not get paid at all. Ask Ron Moore about the RAZOR Webisodes for an informed opinion.

Oh, and if there were no writers.. WHAT exactly would studios be putting their money on the line to sell to people?

Like it or not, everything in the realms of fiction TV and film BEGINS WITH THE WRITER. They are the procreators of these projects. They fucking DESERVE more money.

Trader Groucho2
by Goody2shoes
Nov 28th, 2007
06:32:54 PM
You're right, of course. I don't want to come off like the writers don't count (I hope to join their ranks one day soon), it was just someone a ways up said (loosely paraphrasing here) we wouldn't have jobs without them. That just bugged me. I'll go back to just reading posts and throwing things at the screen now.
per deadline hollywood daily
by Trader Groucho 2
Nov 30th, 2007
06:12:59 PM
this strike ain't over yet.

the producers are only now beginning to realize the writers are serious.

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