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‘I’ve Been Waiting For You
For A Long Time!!’ Herc Gives
GALACTICA: RAZOR Five Stars!!

I loved it... by PurityOfEssence	Nov 24th, 2007 03:03:42 AM
A lot of fun. Good to hold us over till the main season starts.
Not Gonna Miss Spineless Baltar by Akira Cowabunga	Nov 24th, 2007 03:33:35 AM
I hate that guy.
Still haven't seen it by Iowa Snot Client	Nov 24th, 2007 03:35:57 AM
...since Galactica 80. I hear I have some catching up to do.
Can't sleep. by aboriginal	Nov 24th, 2007 03:45:11 AM
Pre-selected on Netflix in my no.1 position. Back to porn surfing for images of Kendra Shaw.
by SoupSpitter	Nov 24th, 2007 03:58:10 AM
I'd LOVE to say that I loved it - but I didn't. Don't get me wrong: It's great entertainment, Michelle is amazing, some plot details are really cool, I dug the old toasters (even though they looked VERY fake, and prove that sometimes, old school effects are better), and it's definitely head and shoulders above season three - but splitting up the movie into two nearly unconnected plot threads left too little room for either. The Adama plot feels like filler, while the Cane plot has a lot of holes left. Still - as far as "special" episodes goes, this is pretty good.
Didn't love it the first time... but loved it the second by Razorback	Nov 24th, 2007 04:30:25 AM
I think during my first viewing that I was expecting too much. This is pretty much just two episodes set somewhere between seasons 2 and 3. Once I took that in I was able to enjoy the episode a lot more during the second viewing.
brief opinion w/SPOILER by Kubla_Khan	Nov 24th, 2007 06:01:20 AM
I liked it, but felt some of the Cain flashbacks actually sort of undermined the events I'd already seen in the series - like they were reverse engineering dramatic moments for us and thus taking something away in the mix. Loved the old school Cylons though, and the guy who plays young Adama is ace. And I must say, props to the production team - it's great to see an old human/Cylon hybrid with properly thick nasal hair. There just aren't enough of those on TV nowadays.
its worthy by palewook	Nov 24th, 2007 06:15:31 AM
of viewing.
I would never buy the 'Alien Quadrilogy' by Lemming	Nov 24th, 2007 06:34:30 AM
I can hear dictionaries everywhere crying out in pain.
Iowa Snot Client.. by Lemming	Nov 24th, 2007 06:36:31 AM
You are in for a treat. I wish I had all three seasons plus the two mini-movies to watch. I wouldn't have to wait so long until April's fourth season then! :)
I SUPPORT THE ATMO FTL JUMP ON THIS ONE! by chrth	Nov 24th, 2007 06:57:04 AM
NO BALTAR?!? Well, I guess I could see why, but no Baltar in of itself should drop it by at least a star.
Not Yet Seeen Season 3... by sambrook	Nov 24th, 2007 07:15:55 AM
...as I'm a latecomer to this party and have just finished Season 2. This sounds like it's all set pre-New Caprica (or at least during the missing year between Baltar being sworn in and him surrendering to the Cylons) with hints to Season 4 - if I watch it is it going to ruin Season 3 for me?
sambrook by mascan42	Nov 24th, 2007 07:26:41 AM
No, all of the flashbacks here take place before the end of season 2. You can safely watch this without spoiling yourself for season 3.
Thanks Mascan by sambrook	Nov 24th, 2007 07:28:37 AM
Off to order it now. Not sure how you guys managed the waits between the miniseries, season 1 and season 2, I only had to wait a few days and that seemed too long.
tetralogy is the right word by ironic_name	Nov 24th, 2007 07:30:18 AM

BSG VFX by @pple$auce!	Nov 24th, 2007 07:34:54 AM
I think it only fair to point out the excellent VFX are in fact done mostly in-house now by Gary Hutzels team.Zoic did some wicked work on this show (as ever) but I don't think they've been on it since season 3. Atmosphere still do a sizable chunk of the work too I think(the quality of which has improved considerably over their time on the show).
BSG by cesaria	Nov 24th, 2007 07:42:51 AM
get your shit together. Did you not see the flak that Lost got back for doing this last year? And they didn't even take off as long as this! Granted, I'm happy I'm getting new BSG, but it's just not as exciting when it doesn't really continue the story from where we left off.
Do NOT watch Razor before Season 3 by Pacino86845	Nov 24th, 2007 07:53:36 AM
There is a MAJOR spoiler IMO contained in Razor. Watch Season 3 first, then Razor.
I don't get it. by Mal Carne	Nov 24th, 2007 08:25:59 AM
I watched the pilot of this show and hated it. Way too dark and depressing, nothing except "you're screwed" repeated in multiple iterations. The characters weren't even likable. Why does everybody goob over this thing? I can't imagine tuning into something so depressing every week.
DVD Pre-ordered from Amazon by skydemon	Nov 24th, 2007 08:26:02 AM
It's going to be great to finally be able to watch something I'm truly excited about seeing.
Dude, Admiral Cain is HOT! And kinda into dominatrix stuff by Judge Doom	Nov 24th, 2007 08:35:14 AM
I would let her spank my but. :p
Actually, watch for Baltar in the background... by Mahaloth	Nov 24th, 2007 08:48:07 AM
He's there, but has no lines. It's weird they even brought him in to shoot anything.
i told a friend i'd see a movie with him tonight by Charlie Murphy	Nov 24th, 2007 09:13:41 AM
totally forgetting this was gonna be on! what should i do? i'm thinking of saying no to the cinema and staying home, plus, he wants to see "hitman" so... i thing BSG is a safe bet.
also, adama apparently says "cocksucker" in this by Charlie Murphy	Nov 24th, 2007 09:23:12 AM
but i think just on the dvd, so that's something to look forward to.
enjoy it while you can by palewook	Nov 24th, 2007 09:25:11 AM
Ron Moore, on his blog, says "I refuse to believe that we won't finish, that we won't be back to film our final stories, but I know and accept there is that possibility. The strike will be a seminal event for many of us in this business as it's put literally everything we care about in the balance (if only for a short time so far) for something we all believe is important. ... Galactica's coming back, I frakking promise you that. But I am ready to put the rest of the story on the table and take the risk that I'll never be able to tell it, in support of this strike." http://tinyurl.com/2er8rn
Fuck that! What about Bender's Big Score? by DerLanghaarige	Nov 24th, 2007 09:31:51 AM

The only really crummy thing about BSG by veritasses	Nov 24th, 2007 09:38:08 AM
is that it's going to end. This is the kind of TV excellence that you wished aired every night and went on forever. It's just really frak'n $hitty that far, far inferior shows will pollute the air waves in it's wake. Well, at least it'll go down in history as one of the best ever.
I support the robot teddy bear on this one by Pipple	Nov 24th, 2007 09:48:28 AM

Uh... by Johnny Smith	Nov 24th, 2007 10:07:15 AM
Baltar is in Razor. He just doesn't have any dialogue. He's SPOILERS there when Adama, Roslin and Tigh are discussing the old school Cylon tech that they've discovered. END SPOILERS Anyway, this is the single best piece of entertainment of the year, right up there with I'M NOT THERE.
Toasters revolt against new Cylons, form an alliance with humans by uss cygnus	Nov 24th, 2007 10:17:01 AM
And together, they win the war. End of series.
I Support Ro Laren and Kira Nerys.... by uss cygnus	Nov 24th, 2007 10:17:56 AM
In A foursome with Ezri and Jadzia Dax. Set phasers on "arouse".
Disappointing by skydemon	Nov 24th, 2007 10:26:46 AM
to think of the possibility that Galactica may end without a proper finish. I'm sure everything will be done to wrap up the final episodes after the strike, but who knows how long this will go on. Once the strike ends, how difficult is it going to be to put BSG back into production with everyone that needs to be involved. We may end up with some 2 hour special movie instead of the second half of a season. Pondering all this really sucks.
Season 3 was my favorite season so far by zooch	Nov 24th, 2007 10:30:10 AM
It had the best episode ever (Exodus 2). It had Baltar on a cylon basestar. Tigh became a bad ass with an eye patch. Anders also became bad ass (I didn't like him before). I thought Season 1 spent too much time on Caprica with Helo, and in Season 2 I hated Admiral Cain and her crew. However after watching Razor I like them much more. Razor adds alot more depth to them, you find out why they were such dicks to everyone before they all died.
and such great lines by kabong	Nov 24th, 2007 10:41:54 AM
"It's showtime, people!" Writers don't need to strike.
WHO'S THE ASIAN CHICK? by BringingSexyBack	Nov 24th, 2007 10:49:35 AM
Pretty hot
Agreed zooch... Season 3 was my favorite by Razorback	Nov 24th, 2007 11:01:39 AM
But once it becomes the "cool thing" to trash, people pretend it sucks.
i really disliked the asian by aestheticity	Nov 24th, 2007 11:33:14 AM
sometimes you see an actor/tress who seem too comfortable in a role that you dont like - like thats who they really are. i got the distinct impression watching razor that whoever that miserable asian girl is, i dont want to know her in real life, for fear of needing to slap her face at some point. even if some luvvy tells me its 'just a role', i didnt even think she was that good. sullen, monotone, glower. got it. by the end, the whole redemption bit with staying behind felt really false.
In those by-gone words of Beavis and Butthead by jimmy rabbitte	Nov 24th, 2007 11:37:37 AM
...this better not suck!
SPOILER: I'm glad that Cain finally... by Bill Clay	Nov 24th, 2007 11:48:23 AM
...came out of the closet. Revealing that Cain had a relationship with the cylon spy Gina made her subsequent torture even more shocking. And Kendra Shaw is Angelina Jolie's long lost twin. In the scenes where she has her hair down, the resemblance is amazing.
BSG= The single greatest progam ever by DARTH VOODOO	Nov 24th, 2007 12:10:06 PM
BSG is not only the best sci-fi show ever made. It is quite simply the best program ever made. I laugh when piece of shit programs like Grey's (made for retards) Anatomy wins Emmy awards + BSG is not even nominated. I think that BSG will find a much bigger audience in syndication + other media like dvd/i-tunes. I predict BSG's after life to be much like the original Star Trek. The program is too good not reach a larger audience.
BRILLIANT Spoiler Free Story, Herc by NoHubris	Nov 24th, 2007 12:33:23 PM
Thank you. Anybody can rewrite/retell the movie, plot points and such in a review (my problem with most newspaper and magazine reviews). However, you wrote with insightful highlights and analysis. Much appreciated. Again, thanks.
After S03E04, season 3 wasn't up to the task... by SantiagoAtez	Nov 24th, 2007 12:38:32 PM
...granted, BSG seasons 1 and 2 rose the expectation substantially. But after the New Caprica chapters, season 3 became extremely unfocused and IMHO a mess. I liked Razor, but not nearly as much as you all did. I thought it only served to REPLAY what we already knew about Admiral Cain (killing the XO, executing the civilians, etc.), but without telling us WHY she did it. For instance, by showing us the "treadmill" conversation between her and the XO, the mystery upon her complete overreaction and execution of the XO becomes even MORE of a mystery.
Razor only REPLAYED what we already knew of Cain... by SantiagoAtez	Nov 24th, 2007 12:45:46 PM
...without telling us WHY. We already knew you killed the XO...and by watching it, it became even more unbelievable and unrealistic...especially after show before that they were sometimes on a first-name basis. The same can be said for the execution of the civilian families. We ALREADY knew this...and we wanted to know WHY she went to such lengths to start an offensive against the Cylons without protecting the civilians. He extreme decisions weren't addressed AT ALL. And for what Adama said about her not having someone like Tigh, Lee, etc. with her to guide her....well, that happens when you SHOOT YOUR XO IN THE FRACKIN' HEAD. I expected better from Razor.
Baltar IS in Razor... by Kasch	Nov 24th, 2007 12:51:34 PM
But he's literaly an extra. Watch the scene where they discuss the old cylon ship.
xiphos by aestheticity	Nov 24th, 2007 01:27:32 PM
is english not your first language? where = were. please, just please.
It was worth it... by damned-dirty-ape	Nov 24th, 2007 01:32:22 PM
Just to see the 3 cylon centaurions talking to each other in the fighter. ''By your command'' For me, that was one of the best bits on t.v this year
I know this makes no sense, bu the Final Cylon... by expert_40	Nov 24th, 2007 02:05:34 PM
... HAS to be Lee. Like I said, it makes no sense, but neither does the other four of the Final Five. Here's my crazy theory. The Final Five Cylons have the ability to not download into new bodies... but download into NEW HUMAN BODIES, much like Hindu and Buddist reincarnation. Stay with me here. Tyrol, Anders, Tigh, and the President's Secretary... they all have been living for years, had REAL families with mothers and fathers. But the souls of the Final Five Cylons figured out how to really reincarnate themselves. And I believe this will tie into Hera and Nicky. These babies will have the same ability. So that means the Final Five are probably true human-Cylon hybrids of some sort. Remember, this has all happened before. What if the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon God (The Jealous Lord) are just artificial lifeforms that humans created a long time ago, like on Earth before humans had to leave earth for Kobol? And these Final Five are just the original artificial lifeforms which have lived for the millenia that the Colonial History has been around? Think about it... the Final Five are REALLY the very first Cylons, though they weren't called that once upon a time. That's how the 13th Colony new about them when they built that Temple of the Five on the Alge Planet. And as for Starbuck... she's really the FIRST human-cylon hybrid. We were never told who her father was. Could have been a Leoben for all we know. And that explains why she's back. So she's like Hera and Nicky. Not really the 13th, 14th, and 15th Cylons, but a new form of life all-together. So what do y'all think? Are my theories so out there they don't make sense, or am I so crazy, I am making sense?
RE: after New Caprica, SantiagoAtez by zooch	Nov 24th, 2007 02:15:05 PM
and Collaborators (another great episode) the focus shifted to finding out who the five were which started with the Temple of the Five and ended with Crossroads. There were some great episodes along the way; The Eye of Jupiter/Rapture.
Great Stuff! by rickdeckard1	Nov 24th, 2007 02:19:37 PM
Man, watching Razor, made me realize how much I missed BSG. The Effects were great, I liked the young Adama, the newcomer Kendra Shaw was great, and Cain was awesome. I wanted to see more of the classic toasters! though Must see, definitely FIVE stars!
HERC! What is that inviso text? by snowpuff	Nov 24th, 2007 02:22:40 PM
"And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." OK, I'll bite! What does that mean??? I don't remember it from Razor?
Better than most movies by MattmanReturns	Nov 24th, 2007 02:22:42 PM
Television has come a long way.
Nah, not 5 stars, 4 for me by DarthScotland	Nov 24th, 2007 02:33:12 PM
5 stars would be something that you could recommend to anyone, I enjoyed razor but don't think anyone could get into it, especially anyone who hasn't seen any other Galactica. 4 stars for me, thoroughly enjoyed it though, my BSG interest was fading after last seasons shinnanigans but this has made sure I'll be tuning in (to the torrent :) ) come April. By your command.
I quit this show because of Baltar by mthrndr	Nov 24th, 2007 02:37:57 PM
And the blonde bitch is hot, but I really could only deal with so many scenes of baltar obviously betraying the humans for the VR blonde chick. It drove me insane enough that I just quit.
A sight to behold by Paragon Complex	Nov 24th, 2007 02:44:30 PM
This movie is a sight to behold. I watched it a couple weeks ago. I'll also be watching it tonight and buying the DVD ASAP. There's a reason Battlestar Galactica is my favorite show on television (alongside House) and this movie proves it.
Do the "old toasters" sound like the old toasters? by HellKing	Nov 24th, 2007 03:10:36 PM
I miss the old cylons characters.
mthrndr! by Akira Cowabunga	Nov 24th, 2007 04:22:34 PM
I agree with you concerning Baltar. He's the main reason I only watch the show sporadically now. They spent so much time on his simpering ass, his ridiculous storyline, that I just couldn't watch anymore. BSG started out as a really good series, then halfway through season one it started to tank, and has never recovered. I don't think there's a show that has ever disappointed me this much, and so quickly.
This is a great addition... by I Hope You Die	Nov 24th, 2007 04:27:40 PM
...to one of the best television shows of all time. I wish they'd do the Caprica spin-off show and maybe a Romo Lampkin: Attorney at Law show. Anyway, everybody needs to watch this already so we can get some meaty discussion going here.
Hellking by damned-dirty-ape	Nov 24th, 2007 04:33:52 PM
You're damn right they do, that's what made the whole thing worth it to me. Seeing two centaurians being ordered by a third, golden cylon in that classic voice is great.
Baltar is the best villian on television! by zooch	Nov 24th, 2007 04:43:59 PM
Yeah, he's a sniveling little worm who only cares about himself. You really aren't supposed to like that. He's also one of the the most conflicted characters. That's what makes him so good.
Loved it. by ManosTHOF	Nov 24th, 2007 05:59:58 PM
So say we all.
"I've Been Waiting For You For A Long Time." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 24th, 2007 06:14:21 PM
When it comes to the return of this show, my sentiments exactly. RDM - I hear what you're saying, brother. But you have the tools; you have the talent. Strike or no strike = bring this show to a rousing finale. Make it happen. Do it.
"...halfway through season one..." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 24th, 2007 06:17:36 PM
"...it started to tank, and has never recovered." Wow, Akira Cowabunga. Season 1?! I couldn't disagree more.
Strike killing this show by jbs0209	Nov 24th, 2007 06:31:56 PM
I f the strike kills this show I am not sure how to feel. On the one hand this show has been so bad for so long (just a waste of good talent on ridiculous plots) I would really like it to end On the other hand, now that we have gotten this far, I would like an ending. I have said before that I feel like Charlie Brown with Lucy & the football regarding this show. I think it sucks, and they keep pulling the rug out from under us for no good reason (the plot twists rarely make any sense what so ever), but I loved this show so much as a kid and the production/acting (for the most part) is so well done I keep coming back, only to have the football yanked away at the last moment. I really want to stop playing the game, but I really want to kick the football, too.
Slightly strange strategy from NBCUni by snowpuff	Nov 24th, 2007 07:01:02 PM
This DVD is interesting, because if it is a big success in sales... where does NBCUni go from there? The rest of the plan from RDM doesn't seem to include more possibilities for Galactica movies...
"It's been revealed....By Quizno's!" by localhero12	Nov 24th, 2007 08:48:10 PM
They were lovers? I simply assumed they were really close. Thanks Quizno's.
Well by NudeandAroused	Nov 24th, 2007 08:48:28 PM
Six and Cain. Didn't see that. Though that sort of explains Cain's anger.
Hot lesbians... and hot sandwiches at Quizno's by br1947	Nov 24th, 2007 08:50:34 PM
That unrated DVD is beginning to sound more interesting!
It has been revealed... by jimmy rabbitte	Nov 24th, 2007 08:50:53 PM
...there are carpet munchers in space.
Season 1 was basically FLAWLESS... by NoHubris	Nov 24th, 2007 08:59:53 PM
...with zero fillers and the best writing of the three seasons. The Cylons were still vicious and relentless, while every single episode had both menace and mystery.
baltar by NudeandAroused	Nov 24th, 2007 09:02:55 PM
Wasn't Baltar in this scene? Albeit quiet, but he was there.
"IF THIS HYBRID STILL EXISTS..." by NoHubris	Nov 24th, 2007 09:03:56 PM
Kudos to Chromedome! Looks like the Hybrid Theory is alive.
Addendum by NoHubris	Nov 24th, 2007 09:09:00 PM
Roslin's line "If this Hybrid still exists..." answers Chromedome's question about when and where the Hybrid was revealed in the Razorettes. It was Razorette 5.
Six has a beer and cheets on Cain by br1947	Nov 24th, 2007 09:21:09 PM
revealed to you by Quizno's!
Whoa by NudeandAroused	Nov 24th, 2007 09:50:39 PM
Was this old man "God?" What about what he said about Thrace? Whoa, lots of questions.
Coming in March! by seanny_d	Nov 24th, 2007 09:55:36 PM
At least they're giving us an official timeline though. But, this old dude I think is kinda full of crap. To say that Kara is leading them to the apocalypse? Please. Not happening. "WE'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!"
Great episode by NudeandAroused	Nov 24th, 2007 10:01:27 PM
very much deserves five stars.
***** by Pennsy	Nov 24th, 2007 10:03:49 PM
Five stars indeed. Well done again, RDM, Eick and company. :)
I, on the other hand am not brought to you by Quiznos! by Pennsy	Nov 24th, 2007 10:09:45 PM
!
I just ordered by Mezzanine	Nov 24th, 2007 10:10:15 PM
That Aliens box set. Fuck yeah.
March?? by DonnaDarko	Nov 24th, 2007 10:14:01 PM
Did I read that correctly? We "only" have 4 months to wait instead of 5?
Were I Fisk... by Billyeveryteen	Nov 24th, 2007 10:15:13 PM
I would've shot that mongrel between the eyes, return the fighters, escape, and collect FTL ships, Adama style. This "razor" shit is worthless.
I think I'll be satisfied if the show has an unhappy ending by commiepinko	Nov 24th, 2007 10:21:15 PM
Not sure what that should be. But it should be heartbreaking.
As for Razor, I'm just glad they didn't break out the fat suit by commiepinko	Nov 24th, 2007 10:23:14 PM
that thing was hilarious.
Are the minisodes worth watching? by commiepinko	Nov 24th, 2007 10:25:34 PM
I kinda forgot about them.
It's been revealed: that was awesome by BrandLoyalist	Nov 24th, 2007 10:44:10 PM
Wild enthusiastic applause That ongoing Quiznos tie-in was weird and awkward though... "Cain and Six were lovers. Brought to you by Quiznos." ?!?! At least it wasn't Taco Bell ;P
Stephanie Jacobsen was awesome. by LoneGun	Nov 24th, 2007 10:46:46 PM
BSG always features strong acting chops. Never seen this woman who plays Kendra Shaw before, but she was terrific. I enjoyed the hell out of RAZOR. It felt like it went by all too fast, as most BSG episodes do. Definitely missed some of the other regulars, especially Baltar, but this was a thoroughly satisfying BATTLESTAR offering. Can't wait for Season 4!
so why create Starbuck2? by jccalhoun	Nov 24th, 2007 10:54:56 PM
One has to wonder why they made the character of Starbuck2 or Lil'Starbuck if they are just going to kill her off. Unless of course they aren't... so much for the 5th Cylon...
That Kicked Ass. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 24th, 2007 11:24:06 PM
Well worth the wait and more. I was really glad to see so many elements of the show's strengths at work again. As always, the acting was strong - including a great performance by Stephanie Jacobsen. (I would have liked to have seen more of ol' Kendra Shaw...as well as Admiral Cain.) Certain individual character scenes were riveting and the placement and quality of the FX were top notch. While the introduction of the original Hybrid was clever, the appearance of the old-school Cylons was just cool icing on the cake. My only complaints would be the shortening of the Adama flashback (they should have just included the whole webisode sequence) and the somewhat clumsy usage of the folding knife. While I think the symbolism of the "razor" analogy is generally understood, I don't think it was conveyed in the best manner = Cain's conversion due to Gina's betrayal should have been given a little more attention. Other than that, it was a fantastic return that only makes me more anxious for the start of Season 4. I wish we could FTL jump to March...
mm-mm-mm-mm-mm, TOASTY! by Sir Loin	Nov 24th, 2007 11:47:14 PM
Wow was that bad. I hate Quizno's.
Agreed, MNG regarding... by NoHubris	Nov 24th, 2007 11:51:04 PM
..."many... of the show's strengths at work again". Well, said. The entire Gina-Cain arc almost comes off as a morality tale. Cain later dies at Gina's hand while Gina dies a "No resurrection" death. Wow. Also, Razor raises the question about why the Hybrids go from being lucid in thought, eloquent and articulate to speaking gibberish that is peppered with "revelation."
WE WIPE OUR ARSE WITH NO MORE HEROES by jfp2007	Nov 24th, 2007 11:55:51 PM
That should be the new AICN trendy catchphrase of the month. Go with Harryites.
Xiphos by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 25th, 2007 12:03:06 AM
You are right. I must exercise patience.
NoHubris by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 25th, 2007 12:12:29 AM
Good to see you back. And yes, that's an excellent point about the increasingly mysterious nature of the Hybrids. Looks like chromedome's theory could still hold all kinds of possible water!
Old school Cylons ARE as big as Hybrid... by NoHubris	Nov 25th, 2007 12:36:27 AM
...and should add some new energy to the show should TPTB really "go there." Good point, MNG. The old school Cylons might even foreshadow the cause of the possible future Cylon Civil War. But their appearance also raises other questions like where did they go? Did they branch off independently or where they contained form without?
meant to say "...were they contained from without..." by NoHubris	Nov 25th, 2007 12:37:45 AM

Holy Moly!!!!!! by zillabeast	Nov 25th, 2007 12:52:25 AM
That was one hell of a good show!!! Cheers!!!
BY YOUR COMMAND!!! by Batutta	Nov 25th, 2007 01:09:10 AM
They actually said BY YOUR COMMAND!!! Time to clean the stain in my underwear.
Starbuck by cronethemarksmith	Nov 25th, 2007 01:28:16 AM
Next step reveal that Starbuck Thrace is actually a hybrid created from DNA by the original Starbuck (Dirk Benedict), who they have kept in suspended animation and who now is freed by Zarek. And the original cylons come back big time, destroy the new versions and all is good in the world of tv.
Burning Battlestars crashing through shipyards by zillabeast	Nov 25th, 2007 01:29:44 AM
Oh I have had my fill...now to enjoy it again...and again...and again.....
This show has some of the WORST acting and fake accents.. by King Conan	Nov 25th, 2007 02:08:00 AM
in all of television. I am also sick of all the quasi-lesbian badass chicks in this fucking semi scifi soap opera. All the men are like pussies and the women go around like fuckin wannabe Rambo types. And I don't care HOW MANY TIMES they say "Motherfracker" it still sounds FUCKING STUPID!! Just the way people drool over this dumb fucking show goes to show how truly starved we are for a really good sci-fi show. Just because something is dark, drab and "talky" doesn't mean it is the "new era" of sci-fi. This show is a bunch of overhyped melodramatic soap opera bullshit DISGUISED as a science fiction series. This isn't to say that there is any better sci-fi out there right now because besides Doctor Who frankly there's none.
oh yeah..the "BY YOUR COMMAND" did rock!!!! by King Conan	Nov 25th, 2007 02:11:31 AM
Maybe the creators should watch the 70's series and give us more elements of what we all REALLY want. The original Cylons back and some way to work Dirk Benedict into the series!!!!!
Ya think they'll be bringing back Bulldog for the final season r by zillabeast	Nov 25th, 2007 02:16:57 AM
I think he would be a nice fit over the course of season 4. Always loved Carl Lumbly on Alias, would love to see him get some work here. He could fill in for the role that Kat filled before she ate the radiation bullet. I can easily see Bulldog's story coming to an end in some heroic blaze of glory where he rams his Viper into the core of some kind of Cylon death star or something. Would be cool.
OMG I CANT STAND THIS MUCH wtf? DRAMA! by dr.bulber	Nov 25th, 2007 02:42:26 AM
wtf? DRAMA! wtf? DRAMA! wtf? DRAMA!
KING CONAN by DS9Sisko	Nov 25th, 2007 02:54:05 AM
....o course you are entitled to YOUR opinion, but don't speak or what "we all want." That kind of childish need for validation is all too common these days, but take care to have the courage of your own convictions instead of dragging us down with you. Having said that, I loved the original series but the current iteration of BSG is brilliant, flaws and all. And Razor was simply top notch from beginning to end. And, oh yeah, old school Cylons and "By your command" were outstanding. So say I.
King Conan sounds like he's 14. by Dreadlock Holmes	Nov 25th, 2007 03:32:30 AM
Battlestar Galactica owns your tv or else you wouldn't watch it to come on here and bitch.
I love it by tk 421	Nov 25th, 2007 04:16:08 AM
I love it when some putz gets on these boards and bitches and moans about how horrible this show is and how they can't understand how anyone can watch it. I mean, it's not like they're critiquing the show, they absolutely hate it (King Conan). I mean, dude, if you hate this show so much, why are you watching it? And why are you wasting your time bitching about it? You think a talkback about BSG is the best place to tell us how shitty the show is? Go find some fuctard Dr. Who talkback and jerk off over that show and leave this one alone. Douche.
About that March date - more SciFi bullshit. by DonnaDarko	Nov 25th, 2007 05:13:31 AM
Rumour has it that the 'March' start date just means that they'll run an updated 'The Story So Far'. The new season will STILL start in April. The only thing I look forward to with BSG ending is being able to finally remove the SciFi Channel from my package. Do you know you can legally do that in the States? Your cable company will not tell you, but you can have a channel removed and have your bill pro-rated because of it.
Three minutes of good FX by bishop37	Nov 25th, 2007 06:03:29 AM
And the rest was the usual crap. The payoff being some old guy who's been in a bath tub for 40 years telling a character who's about to die that Mancow Manimal is the harbinger of the apocalypse. Oh the drama! Hear that? That's the sound of one hand clapping.
I totally thought... by SHWIGGINSTEIN	Nov 25th, 2007 06:34:11 AM
That 'lil Husker would be 'rescuing' a strapping young lad named Saul Tigh from the cylon experiment tank. Wouldn't that have been tidy. Oh, Husker vs 70s cylon in Point Break style free fall FTMFW.
Great show! All that's missing is.... by Penetron	Nov 25th, 2007 06:43:57 AM
Nudity! And lot's of it! So say my balls!
Ron D Moore webchat after Razor. by palewook	Nov 25th, 2007 06:58:09 AM
Among other things he revealed, "I actually have been thinking about what I would do in the (I believe unlikely) event that the show never came back. There is a full storyline for the rest of the season and ultimately, the finale and I'm not sure what I would do with all that information. There's a part of me that would want to sit on the story, lock it all up and then wait for the studio to come to its senses and try to finish the story in some shortened form -- a miniseries or TV movie or something. I could also see writing the end in a book or graphic novel. I also have the recorded sessions of the writers' room at the start of the season where we discussed the overview of the last arc and a more intensive session from the retreat this summer where we broke down the stories in more specific terms and I've thought about just posting those recordings in the event of cancellation so that people could at least hear what our plans were originally. I dunno. Too depressing to really think about at this juncture." http://tinyurl.com/2kg8da
New theory: BSG is set in the far-off future -- Earth's future by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 25th, 2007 08:01:41 AM
Humanity on Earth was dying for some reason, but had yet to perfect spacefaring technology. So humans were trapped on Earth. However, they spread their genetic seed to another part of the galaxy. (Perhaps they used probes that ran on artificial intelligence -- an early precursor to Cylon technology/intelligence.) During the Cylon War, the Cylons learned this truth when they dissected humans. But the Colonial humans are not genetically "complete" -- they will still be vulnerable to what killed the Earth humans. So the Cylons created human replicant versions of themselves to interbreed with the Colonials. So Hera and Callie and Tyrol's kid are actually, on a genetic level, Earth humans. All this history has been lost or screwed up through the generations, but the fact is, they cannot return to Earth. Earth is not their salvation -- it will be their death. (And this theory finally explains/ties into why the technology, culture, language, government and politics of the Colonials' is very similar to that of modern-day human civilizations' on Earth.)
Two hints that may support my theory... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 25th, 2007 08:11:04 AM
1. Hera has O positive blood -- the most common blood type among Earth humans. But the Colonials were shocked to discover this, clueing us in to the fact that such a blood type doesn't exist among them. 2. Remember that mysterious satellite that killed off an entire Cylon Basestar with some mysterious virus? What's the deal with that? It was theorized briefly by the Colonials that it might have been an Earth weapon against the Cylons, but what if it was something else, which just so happened to kill the human-replicant Cylons?
Prof. Pop-Cult... by expert_40	Nov 25th, 2007 09:02:21 AM
... you're wrong, Hera has NO blood type, Baltar made that clear enough. She's not an O positive, which is free of antigens, true, but is also free of antibodies.
One criticism I do agree with... by BizarroJerry	Nov 25th, 2007 10:08:21 AM
Is that this show does kind of go overboard with the "tough, angry woman in charge" characters. Yes, yes, very progressive. And isn't there possibly a bit of offensiveness in the fact that they had to make "tough, angry women in charge" Cain a lesbian? Even so, I did like this movie/episode. Though I'm not fond of extra scenes on the DVD bullshit. I wanna watch the show to see the storyline, not be forced into buying your damn DVD!
A-Team Quote by Starbuck by 90DayShepherd	Nov 25th, 2007 10:16:43 AM
"I love it when a plan comes together." When she's flying the raptor. New Starbuck quoting Hannibal from a show the old Starbuck was in. A callback to Face doing a double take to the old style cylon in the A-Team opening. Clever.
In something unrelated... by BizarroJerry	Nov 25th, 2007 10:20:22 AM
Did I miss the story, or has AICN just not mentioned that Sienna Miller is gonna play The Baroness in G.I. Joe?
90DayShepherd by Dreadlock Holmes	Nov 25th, 2007 10:56:09 AM
I thought i was the only one who caught that! It was a great shout out to the A-Team and Dirk Benedict.
Shit, no iTunes download? by tylerzero	Nov 25th, 2007 11:00:52 AM
I missed it on SciFi.
It will be out on DVD in two days. by Batutta	Nov 25th, 2007 11:20:01 AM

Ooops, 2 WEEKS. Try mininova.org by Batutta	Nov 25th, 2007 11:21:17 AM

the gina/cain thing by CaptainBitchway	Nov 25th, 2007 11:27:14 AM
actually i thought it made cain's torture of gina less shocking not more. in season 3, i couldn't understand how a woman could torture another woman like that without any remorse. but now that we understand their history, it makes more sense. gina used cain, got close to her, made her care about her and then betrayed her. i still think the torture was cruel and unnecessary, but at least there was more motive behind it now.
Re: the gina/cain thing by Bill Clay	Nov 25th, 2007 11:31:48 AM
I originally thought that Gina got the Abu Ghraib treatment because Cain had an intense hatred of Cylons. Knowing they were former lovers made Cain seem even more cruel.
All of this has happened before... by Bill Clay	Nov 25th, 2007 11:39:30 AM
...and will happen again. There had better be a payoff to this line in the finale. And for Gods sake, I hope it isn't a Dark Tower reset button finale.
some juicy bits from Ron d moore... by jccalhoun	Nov 25th, 2007 11:44:23 AM
After Razor aired Moore answered some questions. Some minor spoilers http://urltea.com/26ry (the comments are in reverse order so start at the bottom)
This Cain-Caprica lesbian fest brought to you by Quizno's new tu by DarthSnoogans	Nov 25th, 2007 12:34:21 PM
I said this while watching this with friends last night and they all looked at me like I had just shit on the floor. Assholes.
This Cain-Caprica lesbian fest brought to you by... by DarthSnoogans	Nov 25th, 2007 12:35:30 PM
Quizno's new tuna melt. I said this while watching this with friends last night at they all looked at me like I had just shit on the floor. Assholes.
Hey, MNG, NoHubris!! by chromedome	Nov 25th, 2007 12:39:26 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours! I recorded it last night, and ordered the dvd, but may not get a chance to watch until I get the dvd... so I am mostly staying outta the TB for now, with just a quick scan, one eye closed, one eye squinted, peering thru fingers, so as to avoid spoilers. but I did wanna shout out back atcha... :-)
Admiral Cain still is a fine piece of ass. by Dreadlock Holmes	Nov 25th, 2007 12:46:24 PM
Michelle Forbes is still unbelievably sexy. So say we all.
I wonder if the dude in the tub... by WONKABAR	Nov 25th, 2007 12:55:44 PM
was the "cylon god" that Dirk was suppposed to cameo as (teh script Sackoff mentioned on that radio-show)? I mean, if there was ever a show for Dirklon it would have been that one... with the OG-Cylons/Raiders etc. I'm still hoping that the Face somehow makes an appearance someday before the show ends. Oh, and after seeing the OG-cylons and the Adama flashbacks/mini-sodes, I'm definitely still hopeful about "CAPRICA".
Was hoping for a love scene by Dazzler69	Nov 25th, 2007 01:01:49 PM
between Cain and Gina. Maybe the DVD? It was great seeing Old sckool Cylons again. They needed to be real however and not cgi, and to come out in slow mo blasting lasers since they figured out bullets were cheaper to make in the later models is the reason no lasers.
female authority make you feel uncomfortable? by zooch	Nov 25th, 2007 01:12:14 PM
Would you prefer them all the women be damsels in distress? This show may have plenty of "tough, angry woman in charge" characters but I think it's pretty equal, I don't think the guys on this show are any less tough, angry or in charge. That is how people in the militery act.
generally, not saying all by zooch	Nov 25th, 2007 01:43:31 PM
but authoritative figures in the militery have to be extremely strict in order teach discipline.
in order TO teach discipline, rather by zooch	Nov 25th, 2007 01:48:48 PM

I dunno... by Mostholy	Nov 25th, 2007 02:08:44 PM

I dunno... [SPOILERS] by Mostholy	Nov 25th, 2007 02:10:06 PM
BSG Razor was decent enough, but I'm really not digging this Kara Thrace prophecy angle they're setting up for Season 4. "All Along the Watchtower" already felt like an FTL jump of the shark, and this feels even more like they're just pulling this out of their ass as they go along.
Also, the Final Five are: by Mostholy	Nov 25th, 2007 02:11:07 PM
Christian Bale, Cate Blanchett, Richard Gere, Heath Ledger, and Ben Whishaw. So say we all.
you are probably right by zooch	Nov 25th, 2007 02:29:03 PM
but maybe the Galactica crew runs it old school.
stupid quiznos by darlin13	Nov 25th, 2007 03:42:22 PM
I am never buying your product, those had to be the WORST commericals ever.."it has been revealed...that we suck...
My predictions for Season 4... by I Hope You Die	Nov 25th, 2007 04:04:45 PM
(1) Lee Adama is the 5th of the Final Five. (2) The Final Five were created by the original Hybrid who got nuked at the end of Razor and were all born/raised like normal people in the Colonies. (3) The original Hybrid is the Cylon God and controls the Cylons through the other hybrids and the humans through the Final Five -- the entire thing is an elaborate set up to lead them all back to Earth. (4) Starbuck is aligned with whoever represents the actual gods of Colonists religion and is working against the Cylon God's plan. (5) Both the original Hybrid and Kendra will return in some capacity.
BSG Visual Effects by Abdul_Alhazred	Nov 25th, 2007 04:13:48 PM
Hey poopsies, the BSG effects are not longer done by Zoic. There is no involement with Atmosphere in Vancouver. "Razor" was done by the in house team in Los Angeles, on a gruelling very hard schedule. The remainder of the FX work will show up on the DVD, with plenty of hot Old Toaster Action. Zoic has been out of the picture since the end of Season 2, and Atmosphere mid way through Season 3. The BSG-VFX-LA team is comprised of former Foundation Imaging, Zoic and Eden FX peeps, and a couple of great compositing finds made along they way, some 2D work done at a Vancouver BSG facility, and some wonderful freelancers that have amazing credits, all led by Gary Hutzel and Doug Drexler. They have Season 4 under control.
Why make old-school Cylons CG?? by Eyegore	Nov 25th, 2007 04:13:59 PM
I loved the episode, and loved that there were two silver pilots and a gold commander. But why use CG at all? It didn't enhance anything and was a distraction. It takes the 5-star 'by your command' moment and drops it to 4. I know they still have some Cylon armor costumes left from the 70's. Not using them was a mistake.
I agree, Eyegore. by HellKing	Nov 25th, 2007 04:23:08 PM
It did look a bit cartoonish. When that Cylon came crawling out of the fighter, I couldn't even see it from the long shot they showed.
Young Cain & Parents? by Alphi1	Nov 25th, 2007 04:25:19 PM
I'm intrigued by the mention of the actors playing "Young Helena Cain" as well as her parents, as listed in the credits. I saw no mention of a "young" Cain in the whole thing, so I wonder if that's something only on the DVD.
Well done by Cobbio	Nov 25th, 2007 05:07:02 PM
Great way to start season 4! I know "Razor" is it's own parallel story, but that was fantastic. The only part I didn't like was the appearance of the silly 1970s Cylons, but then I pretended I hadn't seen them and all was ok. As always, I really enjoyed the FX work in "Razor". The Pegasus breaking docks as Cylons attack was better and more badass than 90% of what I've seen in movies this year. Bravo! Plus, the wonderful parallel of fascism versus democracy during wartime, as well as the toll of becoming a human razor, was dramatic in the best way. Great writing. Thank God this show is on television.
SHIT! I MISSED IT! Will Sci-Fi re-air Razor? by J-Dizzle	Nov 25th, 2007 07:04:16 PM
Anyone know? I'd hate to resort to super slow torrent downloads.
That Ensign Ro is a bitch by bmumtw4	Nov 25th, 2007 07:21:07 PM
First she fracked over Picard and then the remains of the human race, BSG really does not help with my feminine trust issues. BSG is still by far and away the best thing on TV and this proves it, as for King Conan and his claim that Dr. Who is better!?!?! I’m English and have been brought up on old + new Who and love it, but BSG exists on a completely different plane of excellence. Extra Kudos for all the little Aliens/Hudson nods and winks and for proving there is a God with the “by your command” moment. Top drawer, now for the 36year wait for the new season.......
No problem with women in charge by BizarroJerry	Nov 25th, 2007 09:38:43 PM
It was more Kendra's just-like-Starbuck angry, chip on her shoulder @#$% authority attitude. Just seemed like it's been done before.
Nah, Xiphos, I've got Racetrack... by Pennsy	Nov 25th, 2007 10:16:50 PM
:)
I enjoyed this film. by proper	Nov 25th, 2007 11:27:37 PM
It had some decent harshness.The flashback mini episodes were ok too.Original Cylons are welcome,I was hoping the old hybrid in the bath was going to look like Imperious leader but there you go.I hope this show ends conclusively as I have enjoyed it so far and would hate some silliness to tarnish it all.
A Mighty Basestar with.....ceiling fans? by closeencounter	Nov 26th, 2007 01:28:22 AM
WTF? I guess the Cylons air condition bills are too high so they turn on the fans during the evenings.......
I get you Conan by Maniaq	Nov 26th, 2007 04:26:51 AM
If I'm not mistaken, you say Dr Who is pretty much the only other NEW scifi we get on TV these days - and make no comment on which one is better or worse? hey tk412, why aren't you at your post! Dazzler, I totally agree about the old skool cylons shooting bullets - they rubbed me the wrong way, too - but not that much... Not being impressed by most of this for reasons others have already gone into, I did actually like one thing (apart from the old cylons and raiders which ROCKED!) about this and that was the hybrids. I'm just shooting the shit here, but it seems to me that guy and little girl Adama met (or at least their clones) form the human part of the hybrids that drive the cylon base stars. I could be totally on the wrong track here, but it makes sense for them to be using the only human parts they still got left after all those other failures in that lab, no?
Cobbio by Jeditemple	Nov 26th, 2007 09:51:39 AM
"The only part I didn't like was the appearance of the silly 1970s Cylons, but then I pretended I hadn't seen them and all was ok." You're a 12 year old douche, dude.
Calley is mine! by ironic_name	Nov 26th, 2007 11:06:53 AM

Isn't quadrilogy spelled "t-e-t-r-a-l-o-g-y" by Breotan	Nov 26th, 2007 11:41:48 AM
Just wondering.
Chromedome, looking forward to your post... by NoHubris	Nov 26th, 2007 12:00:51 PM
...once you get to watch Razor. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Off Topic - Strike's Almost Over? by Abin Sur	Nov 26th, 2007 01:03:26 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2owplt
Chronedome: what is your hybrid theory? by donahchoo	Nov 26th, 2007 01:24:48 PM
Been reading about it, but never actually read it.
anyone else notice the subtle Dylan reference? by samsquanch	Nov 26th, 2007 02:45:06 PM
Starbuck- nothing to the right of me, nothing to the left of me, sort of sounds like 'clowns to the left of me,jokers to the right..' or maybe I'm totally imagining that...
Re: Jeditemple by Cobbio	Nov 26th, 2007 03:03:14 PM
No, I didn't like the appearance of the 1970s Cylons. And I'm not a 12-year-old douche. I watched all the disco-dancing, cocaine-sniffing drama unfold in 1970s, which is why I never want to see any of it again. That shit sucks compared to the dramatic, well-written, badass storyline the new BSG established. The appearance of 1970s Cylons pushed disco balls, The Dukes of Hazzard, and Saturday Night Fever back into mind, which I REALLY could've done without. I realize Ron Moore and company were tipping their cap to the old school, which I respect. But the 1970s Cylons themselves didn't mesh with the story. Not at all.
That kicked ass! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Nov 26th, 2007 03:53:39 PM
And whats Starbuck gonna do now? Naughty girl, descruction of the human race and all. ;)
OK, but "Armageddon" Reuse by bobinnova	Nov 26th, 2007 04:05:47 PM
When they're gonna set the nuke off I knew they were gonna re-do the climax in Armageddon where Bruce Willis sacrifices himself to manually blow the nuke. Why they had to reuse that old standard is beyond me. And as for the last Cylon, my money is on Laura Roslin for the following reasons - - She is somehow the only surviving member of the original cabinet - Her cancer is cured with Cylon blood - When D'Anna sees the final 5 in "Eye of Jupiter" she is shocked to see someone she recognizes before she resurrects for the last time. I guess now we just got to wait for the HD DVD versions until Season 4 starts.
Give me a night alone with Starbuck... by Stark Industries	Nov 26th, 2007 05:00:46 PM
... a long hot shower with her and I let you know if she's a Cylon or not! If she is, I've died for Kobol with a smile on my face. If she isn't, I'm still smiling! If SHE shorts out... well, I'm calling REAL DOLLS (see the Internet search) and geting ANOTHER one!!! Daddy! -Stark
samsquanch by berserkrl	Nov 26th, 2007 05:59:43 PM
"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right" isn't Dylan, it's Stealers Wheel.
Where was Tigh???? by Triceratops on Fire	Nov 26th, 2007 11:21:26 PM
"Tigh's around", quotes Herc. Around where? The optometrist? The bottom of a bottle? The block? I don't remember seeing one inch of that crusty cyclops. Good stuff though. Will miss the character of Kendra Shaw. Would have liked to have seen her a few times in season 4, just b/c she was ruthless.
donahchoo by chromedome	Nov 27th, 2007 12:06:08 AM
not much time now, but I will post it here tomorrow if I can too much Work interfering with my FUN :-(
What this show needs... by poeticwarriorII	Nov 27th, 2007 02:44:23 AM
is a lot more angst. Yup, not nearly enough going on here.
Blew Me Away by Gbakernyc	Nov 27th, 2007 08:13:28 AM
This BSG Movie Blew me away. So much crap SciFi out there, but this was amazing. A gripping exploration of how morality slips away in the face of war. Did we ever get that from Star Trek? I think not. These guys are playing hardball. Yes, it has its flaws. Like why they continue to kill Cylons when they know they'll just be reborn. Seems like another strategy is needed. But overall, it's deep, dark, wonderful TV. And given where it all started, way back when, it's just fan-f--king tastic
disturbing by slkboxrman	Nov 27th, 2007 02:36:44 PM
that so much of this talkback is concerned with sex scenes and 3 sums and hot showers with all of the female leads in the show and not actually discussing the movie....typical but ok...i may be stupid but what was the whole point of the movie ?? did i miss something ? seemed random and off topic....the only reference to kara came at the end, i did like the old cylon models reappearence and the reason that they did reappear..."guardians" does sound cool and i got chills when they were talking in the cockpit in the classic 2 pilot 1 commander like in the old series .....and there was nothing wrong with the 70s cylons...the show has shown from the beginning that the vipers , centurions, raiders and stuff from the prior show are considered past events and items to this show...wasnt just a ploy to draw in fans of the old show.....they were welcome...right down to where the one said "by your command" ... still dont get what the episode was gettin at ..but was good
Very Good... by ZeroCorpse	Nov 27th, 2007 05:03:13 PM
I loved seeing the old Centurians in action. And a gold one! Whee! I KNEW Cain was a lesbian. Her balls were way too big for her to be straight. Title character was interesting. Kinda hard and bitchy, but interesting. Very cute in a 90's Angelina Jolie way. No Tigh? Sigh. I was sort of hoping to see Apollo put on a few pounds at the end. . . Maybe snacking on donuts. Dualla was nowhere to be seen... Honestly, I like the design of the old toasters better. They just look more intimidating than the new ones. The new models look like they are robots meant for building cars in a GM plant... Sex scene. Would'a been good. The relationship DOES explain why Cain was such a psycho, though. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Give me a night alone with Starbuck... by ZeroCorpse	Nov 27th, 2007 05:05:54 PM
And if she IS one, I'll fuck the Cylon right out of her. Seriously, she's hot in that "could kick your ass" kind of way.
"Honestly, I like the design of the old toasters better. They ju by WONKABAR	Nov 27th, 2007 08:30:55 PM
Well said
"Honestly, I like the design of the old toasters better" by WONKABAR	Nov 27th, 2007 08:32:30 PM
Honestly, I like the design of the old toasters better. They just look more intimidating than the new ones. The new models look like they are robots meant for building cars in a GM plant..." Again, well said.
Significance of the Hybrid (spoilers) by 2Utah2	Nov 28th, 2007 03:11:13 AM
I don't understand how this Hybrid affects the larger scheme of things within the Galactica universe. Has the existence of the Hybrid and its importance been discussed in prior episodes? I don't get the correlation b/w the experiments of what young Adama discovered in the flashbacks and what happens at the end. I thought the experiments were just the Cylons perfecting the new "looks-like-a-human model" that is common-place throughout the series. And now we have this Hybrid thing that recognizes the girl ("I have been waiting a long time for you") and then starts prophesizing about future dangers for mankind? I feel like there is much more to this.
Agreed, regarding design of Old Toasters by NoHubris	Nov 28th, 2007 07:00:45 AM
IMHO they ooze more ill will/evil intent than both the skinjobs and the new models.
2Utah2 by NoHubris	Nov 28th, 2007 07:03:22 AM
Its about who was calling the shots concerning the new "looks-like-a-human model."
Baltar is in it. by Shoegeezer	Nov 28th, 2007 02:40:05 PM
He's standing behind Tigh when Adama has his flashback next to the old school Cylon raider. Not in it much, I grant you, but he's there all right.
old toasters by slkboxrman	Nov 28th, 2007 04:11:44 PM
they do seem more evil looking..the facepiece is almost like a face...like a stormtrooper helmet from star wars...anyone else notice they made them more robotic from the waist down. which was cool...seein the old raiders and the old centurions in action gave me chills even tho they stick to the new "no sound in space" thing that galactica has goin
Razor Falters by bishop37	Nov 28th, 2007 04:35:56 PM
Source: thefutoncritic Sci Fi's "Battlestar Galactica: Razor" posted a lackluster 1.21 household rating (1,004,000 adults 18-49) for its premiere on Saturday, on par with its third season finale (1.21 household rating on 3/25/07) and just ahead of its series low numbers (1.09 on 3/4/07). Compared with the network's other Saturday originals this year, "Razor" fell behind 12 of the 19 aired thus far while a year ago (11/25/06), the premiere of "Basilisk: The Serpent King" posted a 1.4 household rating.
They changed them from the waist down cuz.. by WONKABAR	Nov 28th, 2007 06:20:44 PM
The old-school had those butt-capes & swords, which, wouldn't fly so hot now methinks. SPOILER if you haven't watched the minisode yet...the sword now pops right out of their arm. very cool. It's nice, they updated them slightly, definitely more robotic...coolest version of the Cylons yet IMO.
Watched It Yesterday by sambrook	Dec 2nd, 2007 06:24:41 PM
The DVD arrived yesterday. Really enjoyed it. It's odd reading the talkback though as it's clear there are some big differences between the broadcast version (which is included but I didn't watch that) and the DVD version. Well, Baltar at least gets to talk in this one (no extra scenes but he does have a chat with Six mocking how her ancestors look like appliances). The Cain flashbacks just explain she was a hard bitch even back when she was a kid. And yes, Husker says cocksucker, which seems a bit forced in as the same scene uses frakker in the minisode. I also think the Husker flashback included more of the minisodes stuff than the broadcast version - the knife in the arm bit was definitely in my cut. And all I got about season 3 from it was that 4 of the Final Five were revealed but I knew that - even if I didn't I would have just understood that the final reveal was important. Good stuff, maybe I'll get the Season 3 boxset before month's end after all (it's been out in the UK for months).

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