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AICN COMICS REVIEWS HEROES! ANNIHILATION CONQUEST! THE UN-MEN! AND MUCH MORE!!!

FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Sw0rdfish	Nov 14th, 2007 08:43:28 AM

FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Sw0rdfish	Nov 14th, 2007 08:43:41 AM

kinda excited there, huh? by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 14th, 2007 08:51:23 AM
Catch your breath. Read. Relax. Comment. Thanks for stopping by!
god those Runaway covers were terrible by PVIII	Nov 14th, 2007 08:54:03 AM
for the graphic novels I mean. Who would buy them? It's like they were designed for 8 year old asian kids.
Holy crap! by rev_skarekroe	Nov 14th, 2007 08:59:27 AM
There's a new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen due out today! And I can't possibly make it to the funnybook store until at least the weekend! Nuts!
Countdown, X-Men, and continuity problems at Marvel by mattb127	Nov 14th, 2007 09:04:52 AM
Countdown sucks. when oh when are they going to get rid of Dan DiDio? That guy's basically taken a gigantic dump on everything that's good about DC. Only good thing they've done in the last five years has been the Sinestro Corps War. Now we're twenty-six weeks away from yet another "crisis." Hooray! Just what I wanted! •• Astonishing X-Men had three of the coolest pages I've seen in comics in a long, long, time. If you haven't read it yet, you'll know what I'm talking about when you get there. I might have a new favorite X-Man •• I liked World War Hulk until issue # 2. Then it turned into a suckfest. The core title, I've long asserted, is unreadable, thanks to Amadeus Cho, Angel, Hercules, and some chick I don't care about. But aside from all that...I have no idea when anything is going on at Marvel. Silent War, World War Hulk, this spiderman crap, That Hulk vs. X-Men thing, the New Avengers storyline (which I'm really digging, and not just the skrull stuff. The hood's plan rocks.) Seriously, when is shit going on?? I'm so confused. People seem to be in five places at one time, and there seem to be multiple outcomes for different characters, such as ahem BLack Bolt. What's going on over there? On the other side, DC seems utterly obsessed with continuity...also, Countdown Red Rain I didn't buy because of the cover alone. Seriously, what do you think Vampire Batman's about to do with Donna Troy there, and her heaving bosom. After Identity Crisis, I think we all know what violent stunts DiDio's willing to pull.
thanks for the reminder about Runaways by Bloo	Nov 14th, 2007 09:58:14 AM
its one that I've been meaning to get and delyaing and delaying and delaying. I'l look into it so they actually took the crappy Ash vs Freddy vs Jason movie concept and turned it into a comic book, glad to hear it's somewhat good, i'll take a look at it, but I'm going in skeptical I can't even begin to imagine how they got these 3 togather, what Freddy decides that Jason is too powerful and only ASH can stop him? or is it more along the lines of Ash stumbles into a Freddy Jason brawl or something totally and completely wacked out
Glad they released the Heroes stories by chrth	Nov 14th, 2007 10:08:17 AM
Now to wait for TPB (I'm not a HC fan)
It's all about PERRY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP! by CarmillaVonDoom	Nov 14th, 2007 10:48:26 AM
I kinda like Elseworlds stories too. ;P
Bravo, Ambush Bug, well said. by God's Brother	Nov 14th, 2007 10:54:44 AM
DC really had me going there for awhile, what with building up to these big events with excitement and promise. But ultimately, IMHO, the execution of these events was piss poor, and completely tore down all the suspense they'd worked so hard to achieve. Just sloppy... Like they were rushed... like they had no idea where they were headed from the get-go. IDC, IC and now Countdown to FC (which, as AB eloquently states above, smells of a desperate cash-grab with little redeeming qualities) could all have been monumental works of comic fiction. A real throwback to the care that was put into COIE and Watchmen (which is what they were going for with IC) But instead, we got sub-par writing, delays, inconsistent art, continuity problems despite a company-wide "fix" of said problems, and just plain bad comics. It really feels to me like 52 was good despite all this... a happy accident.
correction: by God's Brother	Nov 14th, 2007 10:56:16 AM
It should read: "the care that was put into COIE and Watchmen (which is what they were going for with IDC)"
Cabal? by godwillforgivethem	Nov 14th, 2007 11:40:27 AM
The Un-men world sounds very much like Clive Barkers Cabal novel, filmed as Nightbreed to me
un-men... by blackthought	Nov 14th, 2007 11:48:15 AM
hmm...might have to give that a shot now.
Q: Are we not un-men? by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 14th, 2007 11:58:42 AM
A: We are un-Devo!
Something Marvel probably didn't think of.. by Reel American Hero	Nov 14th, 2007 12:39:32 PM
When they made Civil War is that it's almost like the beginnings of the Days Of Future Past timeline. Quick recap for those not in the know, in the early (probably retconned now to mid) 21st century, mutants are imprisoned thanks to a registration act. This act got it's start earlier on, some were for it, others against it, and the government set the heroes for it on those against. Sometime later the government decides to bring Sentinels into the equation, needless to say, that doesn't go so well. It would be really awesome if that's what they were setting up with all this but knowing today's Marvel this is probably all just a coincedence.
Illuminati 5 by DuncanHines	Nov 14th, 2007 01:10:06 PM
Actually did something most ccomics don't do for me anymore... it actually surprised me. Thanks Marvel.
Colonel Sweeto by DuncanHines	Nov 14th, 2007 01:10:43 PM
pbfcomics.com All you need to know.
So what is the difference... by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 14th, 2007 01:35:09 PM
between "venting," "complaining," "editorializing" and "whining"? Methinks whining is sometimes in the ear of the be-hearer.
Runaways by whoiseric	Nov 14th, 2007 01:41:54 PM
Each digest sized format is only $8 each so that's an extra reason to get them. I was gonna start reading Runaways when Whedon started, but thank God I bought the first Runaways Volume and then went back to the Comic Shop the next day and bought all of them. Great Comics Definitely.
haven't been to the shop in months... by George Newman	Nov 14th, 2007 01:52:20 PM
i've seriously been strapped for cash since the summer and it would have been fiscally irresponsible to buy any comics so I avoided the store. Now I'm afraid to go back cuz a had a book or two on pull that I lost all interest in and I have no intention of purchasing them. Stinkin' ACTION COMICS. All I wanted was the Adam Kubert stuff. But he fell behind so they started inserting filler issues that were completely different stories as well. So I've been "collecting" these dang books and saying "no thanks" each month just waiting for his work. Now here is the dilemna: There are going to be a lot of books in my pull and this guy will be pissed if I dont buy them. SO should I never go back and just go to a new place, or should I man up?
Ask "Dear Rock-Me": Man up by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 14th, 2007 02:07:10 PM
For George: You're in the hole for not getting the books the LCS put aside, but you get "respect" points for owning up to it and "consideration" points for letting them at least put some back into inventory. And after all, it's never wrong to do what's right.
George Newman by mattb127	Nov 14th, 2007 02:22:16 PM
Totally know what you mean with Action, though I liked the Eric Powell stuff... ummm, didn't that other arc just...not end? The last thing I remember was superman standing before Luthor and his little gang, getting ready to take on Zod and that was like...six months ago?? Are they going to just end it in Action now, or are they going to have an annual or something? My question is, why not wait until you have the arc in the bag, and THEN start selling it? Totally bizarre.
Runaways ARE still in print by Jinxo	Nov 14th, 2007 03:03:36 PM
Just a followup. Got an email from the folks at Marvel assuring me that my comic shop seller didn't have her facts straight and that, in fact, Marvel has been keeping the Runaway graphic novels in print. So there should be no worries on being able to find them.
Ambush didn't review Illuminati?!?! by nofate	Nov 14th, 2007 03:30:32 PM
Whaaa?? I promise I would have gone easy on you. Why deny the masses your infinite wisdom? Oh well, still it could have gone something like this..."blah blah..dialogue..blah blah..continuity..blah blah..fucking Bendii..blah blah..that's not what I'm trying to say". Bendialogue, nice one Rock.
Matt, ACTION supposed to be ending w/ an annual by George Newman	Nov 14th, 2007 03:37:44 PM
I checked the DC website a while ago and that's what it said. I can't remember when to expect it though. I also just got home from the shop. The owner wasn't there so I was able to empty my pull on one of the underlings. I also took the title off my pull alltogether and I'll just try to catch the annual on the shelf, whenever it comes out. Powell's art did look great and fun, but I wasn't in this book for that. I just wasn't mentally prepared to collect his work so I left those issues on the counter.
George by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 14th, 2007 03:45:21 PM
Good man. Not that my opinion matters. But good man.
Bug, c'mon man...wasn't Infinite Crisis enough??? by superhero	Nov 14th, 2007 04:07:46 PM
I mean, seriously, I can't believe all you cats got suckered into COUNTDOWN. After 52 just draaaaaagggiiinnggg out and Infinite Crapass copping out I was done. COUNTDOWN was just an insult added upon an insult for me. Screw that noise. I saved my money and bought all the DVDs of Batman the Animated Series. Now THAT's good entertainment worth its weight in gold!
i wish i was ending in an annual by blackthought	Nov 14th, 2007 04:14:00 PM
w/a foil cover.
The Zod storyline by Reel American Hero	Nov 14th, 2007 04:24:04 PM
Was pretty cool, the first few issues. I liked the homages to the movie, the look of the Fortress Of Solitude, and then all of a sudden I miss a month, and they start, and finish whole other storylines while leaving the thing they started just hanging there. I haven't bought an issue since then, because that was just stupid. If the writer of a storyline has other commitments or whatever it was that happened, then somebody else finishes the storyline. It's that simple.
Un-Men covers by Bagheera	Nov 14th, 2007 06:25:03 PM
Why no mention of Tomer Hanuka's awesome covers for Un-Men?
The Donner/Kubert story seemed to be out of continuity by George Newman	Nov 14th, 2007 07:30:49 PM
Can any DCers confirm this? In the book Superman acted as if he had never met Zod and crew. It's like the story arc was a pseudo remake of SUPERMAN II. I've never been a big DC reader, but I seem to recall that long ago Superman actually killed Zod, Ursa, and Lurch with kryptonite. eh.
Re: Un-Men covers by John Whalen	Nov 14th, 2007 08:28:16 PM
John Whalen here. (I'm the writer of the Un-Men series). Bagheera, you got that right about Tomer's covers being supremely awesome. You should check out his Web site... he's got some very cool sketches of cover designs that didn't see the light of day, including one for an upcoming issue that proved too gruesome for Vertigo. I'm not sure if it's copacetic to post URLs for other sites here, so I won't. Just Google "Tomer" and "Tropical Toxic."
George Newman by messi	Nov 14th, 2007 09:48:14 PM
that was Zod and crew from a pocket universe, this is supposed to be 'the real Zod and crew' stupid i know, i rolled my eyes too when i heard Donner was involved knowing they'ed bring in movie style storylines just to please him. Move along already.
what? no deadpool review? by zombieslayer	Nov 14th, 2007 11:31:38 PM
I mean, the fantastic eight, and tons of good lines from Bob, Agent of Hydra... it deserves a mention.
mattb127 by messi	Nov 15th, 2007 06:12:26 AM
People complain about Didio(myself included) but they aren't going to get rid of him. He has turned DC into a company that actually sells books and lots of them and has been able to stand it's ground against the onslaught of Marvel which has owned them sales wise virutally since the 60's. Not only that but he's made DC relevant again, I mean the fact people are reading Sinestro Corps War says something, Superboy Prime being a popular villain etc, it's been able to stand it's ground against Marvel, obviously they won't be the dominating company but they don't seem like they're being owned as much as before. plus again. SINESTRO CORPS WAR!
Cleverest??? by theageofknights.com	Nov 15th, 2007 07:41:55 AM
What kind of fucking retards write these columns?
Deadpool Review by WarpedElements	Nov 15th, 2007 07:53:14 AM
Deadpool reviews go like this: Cool interesting character with tormenting mental issues turned into a parody of a right wing extremist with random pop culture references and constant breaking of the 4th wall. Writer ignores all past continuity and writes whatever gives him a hard-on. For fuck's sake if you're left wing, good for you, but I hate you as much as the right wing, so bash'em equally. I don't want a gargantuan parody of the evils of Fox News (we all know they're biased), I want a tormented, psychotic, obscure pop culture referencing, son of Loki (not some no name army officer) who breaks the 4th wall once in a while, NOT EVERY ISSUE. Sorry, had to get that off my chest. Fucking Nicieza.
Messi and DC's "Relevance" by mattb127	Nov 15th, 2007 10:44:05 AM
I totally understand what you mean when you say "relevant." You mean that DC is selling more books, and that's great for them. I'd prefer to say Dan DiDio's made them more "competitive" though. To me, the late '80s, early '90s were a period when DC was far, far more "relevant," and when they were publishing books like Year One, Dark Knight, Watchman, Crisis (the good one), Sandman, and Preacher. Those books changed the entire freakin' culture. The early 60s was a similar "relevant" period, and the late '70s, especially with Dennis O'Neill's contributions. All that: relevant. Superboy Prime ripping off some no-name Teen Titan's arm or Dr. Light raping Sue Dibny doesn't equal "relevance." It equals Dan DiDio's perverse idea of "marketing." Sinestro Corps war is excellent. It all makes sense. There's TONS of violence in there and I'm not opposed to it. Green Lantern has always been an interstellar cop show, and that's when it's at its best. But that feels like a lonely bright spot creatively for the company, which is relying far too much on shock violence, gimmicks like "countdown," and glossy branding like infinite "Crisises." It's all short term stuff, and it's going to burn them, eventually. Already you see it with Countdown. Do you think Countdown is as good as 52? Keep in mind: 52 wasn't that good to begin with. They're diluting everything down, squeezing nickels out from everything. Marvel has gained and sustained market share--for the most part--by maintaining quality and encouraging innovation. DC used to do that too. Now they just slap "CRISIS!" between two pieces of creative crap and expect me to shove it down my throat.
Cleverest... by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 15th, 2007 12:18:47 PM
The same kind that read them, apparantly. Where's your beef?
I'm cleverest like Mt. Everest... by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 15th, 2007 12:27:02 PM
...for that matter. Don't make me go all Vanilla Ice on you... I have a vocabulary and I'm not afraid to abuse it.
Another thing I don't get about today's Marvel by Reel American Hero	Nov 15th, 2007 01:41:03 PM
Is their insistance that their whole Marvel Universe timeline was started a mere 13 years ago, so some 40+ years of continuity all gets compressed into starting back in the '90s. I just don't buy it. I'd buy 20 or so years ago, but not 13. Too much stuff happened between now and then. But people don't want to see their heroes age, so hence. I think it'd be cool to let the universe evolve, not real time of course, but something of a compressed timeline would be okay, let the stories evolve, and there's plenty of alternate realities that they could use to have the characters the way people grow up remembering them. I know this all extremely geeky, but screw it.
Compressed time by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 15th, 2007 03:14:46 PM
Actually, it makes perfect sense. I mean, look at the Mighty Avengers current story (and lets pretend it was published monthly.) Here's six months of real time that covers about half a day of comic book time. There's a multiple of 0.025974 and so on, which makes 40 years more like a month. Clearly, comics don't all take place at the same "speed" but you can see the case for applying as much compression as one wishes. By the same token, to think that Mary Jane could see one friend die, another become the Green Goblin, get married, kidnapped, rescued, estranged, re-enamored and ultimately retconned in the space of only a few years is preposterous, even by OUR standards.
Talk about geeky! by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 15th, 2007 03:24:32 PM
My math: 12 hours stretched into 6 months
Agh! by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 15th, 2007 03:26:45 PM
It killed the lower half of my post with all the cool math! I messed up the typing the factor onto the first post, but it still winds up being 40 years real-time is potentially 1.3 months comic book time. That's SOME compression.
That logic makes sense by Reel American Hero	Nov 15th, 2007 07:15:14 PM
You'd think with all that happening the Marvel characters would be more messed up in the head than they are. If say in the span of a year my wife died, then came back, and then died again I wouldn't be the most together person in the head. Reminds me of my geeky theory I came up with a while back as to why things keep getting reset. It goes like, during the Age Of Apocalypse thing Gambit stole a piece of the M'Krann crystal, which pretty much governs the reality of the Marvel Universe. And my theory is that when the crystal became imperfect, it would create time hiccups which would occur unnoticed every few years, not unlike DC's thing of Superboy Prime punching a hole in reality. It would probably make for a good Marvel event, though they'd never do it as it references things that took place before.
Compression is crap by Jinxo	Nov 16th, 2007 01:30:31 AM
Yes, certain long story runs take place in a relatively short time span. But then you have other point between arcs where an undetermined amount of time has passed. And other times a story taking, say, three months to tell might in comic book time be longer than three months. One of those deals where the hero takes months to trek some great distance but it takes up all of two panels in the book. So that whole thing is a wash. What isn't is specific and timely references. Reading the very early Spider-Man books they sometimes reference the specific year the story is set in. So, boom, that stuff happened in the sixties. Clearly 9/11 happened in the Marvel Universe which is 9/11/2001, period. There are other direct date reference that happen all the time. Then add in events that tie to certain eras (the Statue Of Liberty surrounded by latice work for it's renovation, Sunspot idolizing Magnum PI, the state of consumer technology shown...) and the idea that time compression is at all valid is silly. And it gets in the way sometimes. Of all the problems with the Gwen Stacey story the one I was most willing to give JMS a pass on was the aging of the kids. He shouldn't have had to jump through hoops to get the kids to be old. Without time compression those kids should have been adults. With time compression the kids will never ever get old enough for the story to be told which is sort of unfair to the storyteller. I'd like to see someone actually make a damn plot point out of it. Have some character get outside the Marvel reality where they can view it from the outside and then have them realize, hey, how could only 15 or so years have passed between the 1960s and 2007? Then they realize someone monkeyed with the flow of time in the universe in some way and that no one inside the effected space, because they are part of the phenomenon, are aware of it. Then the story becomes who did this thing and why? Maybe it's for a reason close to the real reason: someone wanted to keep the heroes young and vital for longer than they should be. Why this was done is discovered, dealt with and then time is set back to normal... probably. Even as the heroes walk away they'd have to admit that they can only assume it's all fixed since if it weren't, again, they'd be inside the problem and unable to see it.
Why is compression crap? by messi	Nov 16th, 2007 04:28:20 AM
It's a sliding timeline, you get used to it, it's not such a big deal.
I found it strange Wolverine did not suffer a hard-on by dregmobile	Nov 16th, 2007 07:31:04 AM
in the latest New Avengers. He's either a Skrull or gay.
Wolverine has ALWAYS been gay..... by Psynapse	Nov 16th, 2007 03:13:40 PM
Seriously, just LOOK at that fucking hairdo!
LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Sw0rdfish	Nov 17th, 2007 12:52:16 PM

LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Sw0rdfish	Nov 17th, 2007 12:52:32 PM

Would you believe... by rock-me Amodeo	Nov 17th, 2007 07:26:05 PM
...you were penultimate and antepenultimate?
Just antepenultimate by rev_skarekroe	Nov 17th, 2007 09:23:35 PM
actually.
I'd Prefer Marvel Comics As Period Pieces, Myself... by Buzz Maverik	Nov 19th, 2007 11:34:13 PM
FF -- Kennedy era. Space race. SPIDER-MAN & ORIGINAL X-MEN -- late sixties. Hippie days. The end of innocence. HULK -- 1950s, atomic testing. Quest for the super-bomb. IRON MAN & DAREDEVIL -- late 1950s, early '60s. Space age bachelor swingers. The Rat Pack/ James Bond heyday. NEW X-MEN -- the late '70s, like a new breed of stoners/punks spitting in the face of hippie-dom. Etc, etc
batman... by blackthought	Nov 20th, 2007 09:15:44 PM
a new god?

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