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This should be a kick in the nuts...
by Merlox
Nov 5th, 2007
04:52:21 PM
to the producers and netowrks. Time to wrap this shit up folks.
Oh. My. God.
by Triceratops on Fire
Nov 5th, 2007
04:52:22 PM
Okay, so strikes are never funny. Now it hits home. My favorite sitcom, completely torpedoed...Please end the strike soon!!!

..sniff
hey!
by Merlox
Nov 5th, 2007
04:52:43 PM
holy shit I was first....way to go me!
One second!!
by Triceratops on Fire
Nov 5th, 2007
04:55:05 PM
So close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The End of the World as We Know It
by Ryang
Nov 5th, 2007
04:55:53 PM
And Greg Daniels (and I'm told Rainn Wilson) just read the best office script EVER!! But now they can't shoot it!
does this mean we won't get a full season?
by borbafett
Nov 5th, 2007
04:56:19 PM
for arguments sake, lets say a particular show gets 20 new episodes a season. now with the strike happening, does that mean that if the strike lasts 3 weeks, there will only be 17 episodes this season?
WOW...
by FilmNerdJamie
Nov 5th, 2007
04:57:58 PM
...my already high respect for the cast/crew at THE OFFICE (i.e. Daniels, Carell, Novak, etc.) just went up! It's actions like that which will make the producers fold, and give the writers what they're damn-well entitled to.
Damn.
by silentbobfan
Nov 5th, 2007
04:58:48 PM
A show I actually care about is impacted by the strike.
Give the writers more $$$
by thejacksack
Nov 5th, 2007
04:59:47 PM
We can't live without great shows like Viva Laughlin and Cavemen...... oh wait...
Tina Fey is walking the picket line in NYC
by Larry of Arabia
Nov 5th, 2007
05:01:38 PM
So there goes 30 Rock.
I'm not leaving until I get more money asshole...
by mparke2
Nov 5th, 2007
05:02:19 PM
That's what she said.
If Tina Fey sees this
by tme2nsb
Nov 5th, 2007
05:10:11 PM
I will leave you for my wife. Really.
Isnt this really just a Digital rights issue?
by TheRealSeveren
Nov 5th, 2007
05:11:03 PM
DM compensation isnt where the WGA thinks it should be so theyre shutting down a season of a show that will eventually end up on dvd which they wont get paid for. Seems like they should be protesting in front of a Best Buy and be more concerned with what is already out on dvd and not stop production on a season that has yet to be released on dvd. Surely, they can reach an agreement by the time these current seasons end up on the shelves cant they?
tme2nsb, you may have gotten that mixed up...
by iamnicksaicnsn
Nov 5th, 2007
05:13:07 PM
Depending on what you wanted to say...
Severen
by Jor-El23
Nov 5th, 2007
05:18:13 PM
How does protesting a Best Buy accomplish anything? Shutting down a show is the biggest thing writers can do to get someone's attention.
Solidarity Brothers!
by offput
Nov 5th, 2007
05:24:41 PM
Seriously, the productions companies need to man up and give the writers what the want. They fucking deserve it.
in other words
by DonnyUnitas
Nov 5th, 2007
05:25:40 PM
netflix and the WWE now become my sole provider of primetime and latenight tv
They're all scum
by rainbowtrout1265
Nov 5th, 2007
05:27:28 PM
It's just greedy vs greedier. Neither side is deserving of any sympathy. A bunch of very well off people striking to become even more well off...who cares.
Digital Rights and an old DVD agreement
by Kraken
Nov 5th, 2007
05:30:31 PM
The DVD agreement they have now with writers is one that is over a decade old and is really unfair to writers. Now, on the producers side they're saying that the demands the WGA is making right now would double cost of productions and stop producers from making anything of risk. But who really knows? It's sad that there can't be a middle ground to meet on here.
It's the end of times!
by The Visco Kid
Nov 5th, 2007
05:31:33 PM
I wonder if the writers on porn films went on strike too. Ha, that's funny.
Good to see these actors aren't scabs.
by rbatty024
Nov 5th, 2007
05:32:30 PM
The money should go to those producing art, not those who hold the purse. Power to the people!
that's great and all...
by tylrdrdn
Nov 5th, 2007
05:32:44 PM
But for those of us who actually work on some of these shows and don't have anything to do with the writing, we are just out of work (or will be very soon) right in time for the holidays so it's sorta hard to be real sympathetic. This whole industry is fucked up, these people are picketing for more money while those at the bottom get to work 15 hour days for next to nothing. And now these people have to figure out how to pay their rent because the writers (who are already paid well) want more. I hate how the suits abuse us all and agree in spirit, but this really isn't going to help me in the long run.
But What About...
by Jonas Grumpy
Nov 5th, 2007
05:32:51 PM
"America's Funniest Home Videos"? Please tell me that show won't go into reruns! I gots ta have my weekly, fresh dose of American stupidity!
What about BSG?
by Athenor
Nov 5th, 2007
05:33:27 PM
I know that BSG is entering the beginning of its fourth season production -- how will this script affect it, considering they have until April to work?
what a bunch of re-res...
by Judge Briggs
Nov 5th, 2007
05:37:02 PM
can't till South Park does something about this!
Athenor...
by -guyinthebackrow
Nov 5th, 2007
05:39:01 PM
Herc has already written about how many episodes BSG has already shot. My memory isn't that great, but I think it was about 10 out of the final 20. It may have been more like 12. Also, they probably have finished scripts on a few more. And the final season's already been pushed back to April (I seem to recall). So, as long as the strike isn't too long... BSG's final season shouldn't be affected.
rainbowtrout1265...
by -guyinthebackrow
Nov 5th, 2007
05:41:56 PM
You are incorrect. The writers (and in a few months the actors are going to be striking for the same thing) are not greedy. They are striking because they receive nothing, zero, zip when something they've written is shown, or sold on the internet. That money goes entirely to the producers. It's not greed, it's about fairness.
Will WWE be affected by the strike?
by rosasaks
Nov 5th, 2007
05:42:49 PM
And...
by -guyinthebackrow
Nov 5th, 2007
05:43:39 PM
The cast of THE OFFICE choosing not to cross the writer's pickett line is AMAZING. If every show did this, and every movie set did this... for just one day... this strike would last for about an hour and a half.
wow
by Shakes
Nov 5th, 2007
05:43:56 PM
Yeah, it's def. starting to get heated. Don't worry though, all cast members of Cavemen are strictly in the actors union, so production on that will continue. This reminds me of that episode of The Sopranos where Christopher revealed he was in the writer's union because of his role in Cleaver. so I guess it goes to show that even people who only wrote like one thing were still entitled to union membership.
The WGA website has a lsit.wga.org
by viewdrix
Nov 5th, 2007
05:44:26 PM
rosasaks...
by -guyinthebackrow
Nov 5th, 2007
05:44:30 PM
no. WWE will be fine.
News shows, sporting events, reality TV, game shows...
by -guyinthebackrow
Nov 5th, 2007
05:45:06 PM
All okay.
If a DVD sells one million copies at $20
by Quin the Eskimo
Nov 5th, 2007
05:46:03 PM
the screenwriter gets a paltry $80,000. Also, Mindy Kaling and Jenna Fischer are possibly the coolest people in the business. Even more so today.
The writer's guild has a list (corrected)
by viewdrix
Nov 5th, 2007
05:48:36 PM
I hate messing up comments. Anyway, from one fo their websites, the following people promised to go on strike: Robert Carlock Tina Fey (30 Rock) Warren Bell (According to Jim) Tim Doyle (Aliens in America) Rich Appel Mike Barker Matt Weitzman (American Dad) Dee Johnson (Army Wives) Steven Levitan Christopher Lloyd (Back To You) Ronald D. Moore (Battlestar Galactica) Mark Olsen Will Scheffer (Big Love) Jason Cahill (Bionic Woman) Hart Hanson Stephen Nathan (Bones) David E. Kelley (Boston Legal) Mark Perry (Brothers & Sisters) Greg Berlanti (Brothers & Sisters, Eli Stone, Dirty Sexy Money) Matt Nix (Burn Notice) Walon Green (Canterbury's Law) Marsh McCall (Carpoolers) Bill Martin Mike Schiff (Cavemen) Josh Schwartz (Chuck, Gossip Girl) James Duff (The Closer) Meredith Stiehm Veena Sud (Cold Case) Dennis Rinsler Marc Warren (Cory in the House) Edward Allen Bernero (Criminal Minds) Carol Mendelsohn Naren Shankar (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation) Pamela Veasey (CSI: New York) Marc Cherry (Desperate Housewives) Matthew Carnahan Joel Fields (Dirt) Josh Reims Craig Wright (Dirty Sexy Money) Marc Guggenheim (Eli Stone) John Wells David Zabel (ER) Charlie Craig Jaime Paglia Thania St. John (Eureka) David A. Goodman Seth MacFarlane Chris Sheridan (Family Guy) John F. Bowman (Frank TV) Jason Katims (Friday Night Lights) Stephanie Savage (Gossip Girl) Anne Kenney (Greek) Krista Vernoff (Grey's Anatomy) Shonda Rhimes (Grey's Anatomy, Private Practice) Steven Peterman Michael Poryes (Hannah Montana) Tim Kring (Heroes) Carter Bays Craig Thomas (How I Met Your Mother) Carol Barbee (Jericho, Swingtown) Kevin Falls (Journeyman) Warren Hutcherson Alison Taylor (Just Jordan) Jonathan Lisco Craig Silverstein (K-Ville) Eric Tuchman (Kyle XY) Rene Balcer (Law & Order) Warren Leight (Law & Order: Criminal Intent) Neal Baer (Law & Order: SVU) Kathleen McGhee- Anderson (Lincoln Heights) Carlton Cuse Damon Lindelof (Lost) Matt Weiner (Mad Men) Jenny Bicks (Men In Trees) Mark Hudis (Miss/Guided) Tom Fontana (M.O.N.Y., The Philanthropist) Chip Johannessen (Moonlight) Betsy Thomas (My Boys) Shane Brennan (NCIS) Kari Lizer (The New Adventures of Old Christine) David Manson (New Amsterdam) Stacy Traub (Notes from the Underbelly) Greg Daniels (The Office) Eric Kaplan (Out of Jimmy's Head) Marti Noxon (Private Practice) Tara Butters Michele Fazekas Tom Spezialy (Reaper) Dmitry Lipkin Dawn Prestwich Nicole Yorkin (The Riches) Tom Hertz (Rules of Engagement) Donald Todd (Samantha Who?) Ian Biederman Ed Redlich (Shark) James L. Brooks Matt Groening Al Jean (The Simpsons) Al Gough Miles Millar (Smallville) Tom Lynch (South of Nowhere) Danny Kallis (Suite Life on Deck) Josh Friedman Toni Graphia John Wirth (Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles) Josh Goldsmith Tim Hobert Cathy Yuspa ('Til Death) Joe Medeiros (The Tonight Show with Jay Leno) Alan Ball (True Blood) Silvio Horta Marco Pennette (Ugly Betty) Chuck Lorre (Two and a Half Men, The Big Bang Theory) David Simon (The Wire) Peter Murrieta (Wizards of Waverly Place) Elizabeth Craft Sarah Fain R. Scott Gemmill (Women's Murder Club) In Solidarity Tyler Bensinger Steven Bochco Jim Leonard Phil Rosenthal Robin Schiff
Now that Tiny Fey isn't so busy writing on staff...
by Karl Hungus
Nov 5th, 2007
05:48:48 PM
...she can spend some quality time writhing on my staff. Hey-oh!
NNNNNnnnnnnnnoooo Now I have to reeeeeaaaddd!!!.
by Pipple
Nov 5th, 2007
05:49:40 PM
AHHHHHHh BUT BOOKS ARE SO LOOOOOOOOONG...
I mean TINA...damn Freudian penis...SLIP!
by Karl Hungus
Nov 5th, 2007
05:50:37 PM
As an advertising writer...
by Det. John Kimble
Nov 5th, 2007
05:53:16 PM
I feel like picketing my job every day. Maybe we should be out on strike with the WGA too,given the immense pressure advertisers can still apply to the networks, it might get this thing resolved lickety-split.
Why is it
by Shivv
Nov 5th, 2007
05:55:40 PM
that when one person stops going to work he or she gets fired, but if hundreds stop going to work and instead walk in a circle with signs like idiots they get a raise?

It's too bad that Hollywood doesn't have the balls to break the strike and bring in new writers. Likewise it's too bad that these writers, some of whom are very rich, don't have the balls to start their own studio and risk their own money to produce their scripts.

No! Not Julia Louise Dreyfus!
by Oknight
Nov 5th, 2007
05:56:33 PM
The poor woman, without her paycheck how is she going to make ends meet? (OK, really, kudos to somebody who supports the NOT inconceivably wealthy)
Tina Fey....
by WeinerPenis
Nov 5th, 2007
05:56:41 PM
...you're ugly, but I want to suck your asshole.
The greed thing
by TotalFreedom
Nov 5th, 2007
05:56:55 PM
The striking writers get paid a lot of money to begin with, so it is difficult to sympathize with their sad stories of not getting new media revenue. I always wonder just how much some people want before it's going to be enough. It's like a tug of war between two sides of spoiled brats, while both are raking in far more than the average american regardless of dvd/internet revenue. Not even that they shouldn't, but it's just such a pathetic battle when you look at in in perspective.
If the writers are on strike
by Jor-El23
Nov 5th, 2007
05:57:59 PM
who's writing all the phrases on the picket signs?
rainbowtrout1265
by Jonas Grumpy
Nov 5th, 2007
05:59:50 PM
Mark Evanier has this to say on his blog, regarding your attitude of "a bunch of very well off people striking to become even more well off" (shared by too many others): http://tinyurl.com/2utob9
Shivv
by Quin the Eskimo
Nov 5th, 2007
06:00:05 PM
I don't know you from Adam. But I've got you pegged as a fucking idiot.
Hey-- can they do stuff on their OWN websites?
by Oknight
Nov 5th, 2007
06:00:06 PM
Like the comedy show guys-- Daily Show, Leno, whatever-- can they write bits on their own and put them out on web sites? Man, it would REALLY stick it to the production execs to show how unneeded they are.
Writers are always the lowest on the totem pole
by JoeSixPack
Nov 5th, 2007
06:01:00 PM
They don't get no respect, I tell ya, no respect.
lol
by tme2nsb
Nov 5th, 2007
06:02:41 PM
I meant I will leave my wife for Tina Fey
I feel like an idiot. Thanks!
This sucks...
by Crimson King
Nov 5th, 2007
06:03:08 PM
Seriously. I hope they get their shit settled soon.
No Hannah Montana????
by deadshot07
Nov 5th, 2007
06:03:52 PM
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got paid $20,000 for a script of...
by tme2nsb
Nov 5th, 2007
06:06:38 PM
an episode of a show that never got filmed. Should I strike too?
Quote from:
by tme2nsb
Nov 5th, 2007
06:08:45 PM
Quote from: http://tinyurl.com/2utob9
by tme2nsb
Nov 5th, 2007
06:09:01 PM
Overpaid? That's a relative term. We make a vital contribution to a very profitable industry and in the grand scheme of that industry, our pay is a teensy fraction. Or to look at it another way, there are people who have a lot less to do with the success of a TV show or a movie than its writers but who make a lot more money off it. When our wages are cut — and every WGA strike of my career has in one way or another been about wanting to cut our wages — the money we'd lose would not go to widows and orphans. Really, the Producers are not out to correct some horrendous financial injustice by slashing our incomes. They just want to pay less for something, the same way they'd pay less for light bulbs and film and Evian water if they could. (And by the way, I don't think any of the folks who pay us think we're all overpaid, perhaps because if anyone's overpaid, it's them.)
No Cane = Nestor Carbonell on LOST
by NoPIX
Nov 5th, 2007
06:10:31 PM
HOPEFULLY
Actually it was more like $950
by tme2nsb
Nov 5th, 2007
06:11:48 PM
Really. To the people calling writers ingrates - I say shut the fuck off. Writers don't get paid jack shit unless they are a show runner or a regular writer. I am a former member of the WGA (way back in 2002) and in the two years I was in there, I made about $6,000 - so shut the fuck up. Ungrateful? If a studio is making millions of dollars on DVD, VHS, and online store sales and the writers are only making half of pennies to the dollar, I'd be fucking pissed off too, espeically if I was the one who created the content in the first fucking place. why don't you naysayers die in a goddamn hole.
Why am I an idiot?
by Shivv
Nov 5th, 2007
06:15:39 PM
If it's for the first part of my comment, it was a bit of an attempt at humor, which I obviously failed at. If it's for the second part, what is idiotic about it? The studios could easily find writers to work on their terms, and the quality of the product put out to the public would probably not change all that much.

More to the point, Mel Gibson already proved that one good movie produced outside the studio system can generate half a billion dollars or so in profit. If these writers are really as good as they think they are, it should be no problem to raise the capital to film one or two great movies that would essentially bankroll a new studio freed from the oppression of the current studio bosses.

Fuck them.
by El Scorcho
Nov 5th, 2007
06:16:48 PM
I love the Office, but fuck those assholes. It's obviously just about the paycheck.
AnimalStructure...
by -guyinthebackrow
Nov 5th, 2007
06:17:53 PM
You're on a website about movies and TV, and you think all Hollywood writers are morons. Why do you visit this site?
LOST!!!!
by BrightEyes
Nov 5th, 2007
06:18:47 PM
hopefully it ends before Lost gets affected
AnimalStructure
by Magnum Opus
Nov 5th, 2007
06:19:09 PM
I like you. You're the kind of guy that tips 5% then tells the waiter if they wanted to make more money they shouldn't be working in a restaurant. Or who refuses to tip a cabbie and tells them they are lucky to be in America. With people like you here, they are indeed.
Crap, how many episodes did they have in the can? HOW MANY?!!
by TallBoy66
Nov 5th, 2007
06:20:23 PM
WHY, GOD? WHHHYYYY!!!
No!! Not Cane!!!!
by Mr Spork
Nov 5th, 2007
06:25:04 PM
Oh, the humanity!!!! This site needs a sarcasm emotocon....and an edit function.
sugar is the new oil!
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:28:44 PM
cane is still on?
who'll write 'jim looks at camera like an idiot' now?
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:30:46 PM
"carrell opens mouth, says nothing" eyebrows rise
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:32:29 PM
talented writing.
"black guy looks fed up"
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:33:16 PM
best writing on teebee!
Jenna Fishers Ex Husband says
by erichaislar
Nov 5th, 2007
06:33:55 PM
“The Office” showrunner Greg Daniels has joined the picket line at his production company’s Van Nuys location in an attempt to shut down production of his show. “We’re trying to shut down ‘The Office,’” Mr. Daniels said. “We have the star of our show and the entire writing staff behind us.” Mr. Daniels says he arrived at 4:15 this morning and none of the show's actors have crossed the line. “The Office” cast includes several performers who are also writers on the show, like B.J. Novak, Mindy Kaling and Paul Lieberstein. “Office” star Steve Carell is a WGA member and is not showing up for work as well, he said. Mr. Daniels is one of many writer-producers facing the decision this morning whether to continue acting as producers on their shows. Sources say a group of top showrunners met this weekend and largely decided to not cross the picket lines. Studios maintain showrunners should continue working to fulfill their production duties. “We have non-writing producers on the show who are perfectly capable of doing any non-writing producing duties,” Mr. Daniels said. “They want me do to writing-producing and just pretend it’s producing. Every decision you make has a writing aspect to it. If they really just thought it was producing, they could just as easily get somebody else to do these tasks.” Mr. Daniels said there’s only one unproduced “Office” script that’s ready to go, but it’s a good one. “Last week we had our best table reading of the entire run of the show, and that’s what we were going to shoot this week,” he said.
OOPS!!! Sorry
by erichaislar
Nov 5th, 2007
06:34:30 PM
Ignore above
Jenna Fishers Ex Husband says
by erichaislar
Nov 5th, 2007
06:34:45 PM
I'm on strike! As a member of the Writers Guild of America, I have been on strike since 12 am last night. The only reason for the strike – and don't believe anything to the contrary – is that the studios have refused to pay writers (and screen actors, and directors) residuals on new media. When you download a movie from Amazon or a TV show on iTunes, the people who created that content, who devised it, wrote it, acted in it, and directed it, get exactly 0% of the profits. And the studios want it to stay that way. The WGA was asking for an increase in the residuals made on DVD sales (unlike new media, creators make a small percentage off of DVD and VHS sales, pay-per-view showings, TV sales, etc). For months now the studios have said that this was the reason the contract couldn't be closed. However, at the 11th hour – last night – the WGA took that off the table. It came down to new media and only new media. And the studios refused to budge. This strike is absolutely not a matter of the rich getting richer. We're not striking because of guys like me who have made numerous feature films, or guys like Greg Daniels who have created popular TV shows. This is for middle-class writers – your regular TV staff writers and people who may have done one or two small feature films. Residuals are a way they can make perhaps a few thousand dollars a year between gigs. This is a way they can put food on the table and pay the rent during downtime – and downtime is something almost all writers (and actors and directors) have. And the writers guild are striking not only for themselves – they're striking for the actors and directors as well. Most likely, whatever deal we agree to is the same deal the actors and directors will get when their contracts are up later this year. None of the TV shows or movies you watch would exist without us, the people who created them, who poured our hearts and souls into the making of them. And yet, again, the studios think that only they should be making the money off of them. And new media is exceptionally important – in just a few years that may be the way most of us experience most of our entertainment. I've gotten a lot of messages from MySpace folks worried about me or my various projects. The truth is, as long as the strike ends in the next thirty to forty years, I should be personally fine. And, to be quite honest, I'm excited about the break. I'm working on some smaller, non-studio, non-guild related projects with my brothers Brian and Sean, and with the LOLLILOVE crew of Pete Alton and Stevie Blackehart. This is stuff that really fires me up. As for my big projects, PETS is definitely on hold, as I'm in the middle of writing the script, and can't turn anything in until the strike is over. THE BELCOO EXPERIMENT is a different story – the script is completely finished, my deal with the producers is done, and I could direct it if we all chose to do that. But would I want to commit to a movie that I wouldn't have the freedom to rewrite even if I wanted to? However, although the strike for me is, in some ways, a good thing, I recognize how shitty it is for the rest of the industry, and the city of Los Angeles in general, so I want it to end quickly. I can't help but think of all the crew people who are going to lose jobs because of this, or the Burbank waiters and waitresses whose tips are going to dry up as the work around them does – not to mention the strippers across the LA area whose g-strings rely on writers and actors being flush with cash. Let's end this fucking strike for the strippers, okay? Not to mention you guys, the audience. You're going to start to feel it right away with the late-night talk shows that are going to disappear or get real crappy real quick. And, if it lasts for a bit, you're going to lose out on the second half of the seasons of your favorite TV shows (already, WGA member Steve Carell didn't show up to set, so this season of THE OFFICE could be kaput after the next few already-shot episodes.) The studios will also rush movies into production with unfinished scripts which means, in a little less than a year from now, you're going to see the shittiest movies of all time. So for their stinginess, their greed, and their overall bullshit, the studios can go fuck themselves. And not in a nice way either. Be good, James
Who's Julia Louise Dreyfuss?
by Mr Spork
Nov 5th, 2007
06:34:49 PM
There was a woman on Seinfeld with a similar name, but it's spelled differently.
"pam looks around" "jim smiles like a moron"
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:36:24 PM
that show has writers?
Did Creed cross the picket line?
by tonagan
Nov 5th, 2007
06:36:42 PM
Because I'd be up for an all-Creed episode (I'm not sure how that would work without writers).
"bj novak does nothing" "blonde girl does nothing"
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:39:14 PM
emmy winning.
as crap as it is, office us is better than uk
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:40:25 PM
Sergei Eisenstein...
by Catnip_Thieves
Nov 5th, 2007
06:41:24 PM
... should be out there filming this shit. It's a revolution in motion. What? He's dead? Well, that's just fucking inconvenient. With all these writers stand on street corners with Golf Sale signs, do you think now would be a good time to get rid of my shares in Starbucks before the inevitable bankruptcy?
Oh no
by Shivv
Nov 5th, 2007
06:45:30 PM
not Jenna Fischer's ex-husband! Who is going to write the next shitty Scooby-Doo movie??? If James Gunn had actually ever made a good movie I would give a fuck what he has to say. But because he hasn't, I don't.
Since ACCORDING TO JIM doesn't actually use writers...
by Uncle Stan
Nov 5th, 2007
06:46:37 PM
...I'm sure it won't be affected and the comedy genius that we've all come to chortle and guffaw over will continue unabated.
just watched according to jim
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
06:51:56 PM
remember in one hour photo when blood shoots out of sy's eyes?

yeah.

I SUPPORT THE WRITERS ON THIS ONE.
by Pound Sand
Nov 5th, 2007
06:53:43 PM
Mr Spork
by Jonas Grumpy
Nov 5th, 2007
06:54:10 PM
As I type these words, they appear in a little box on my screen. I am able to read them as they appear. When I make a mistake, or wish to rephrase something, I hit the "delete" button until what's no longer needed goes away, then I type some more. Also, I can use the arrow keys or the mouse to move the cursor. (A little blue scroll button on the side of this box allows me to move up and down the copy, as well.) When I am done typing, I re-read the entire message before I click on the "post talkback" button, altering text where necessary. Am I the only one who is able to do any of this? Is it because I'm using Safari on a Mac? Is everyone else typing blind, unable to see what they're about to post as it's being written? Doesn't anyone else proofread before posting? Is commenting speed of such importance that everyone hammers out a message just as quickly as they can, posting it before it was complete? Am I the only one who uses more than two fingers while typing, and who doesn't have to look down at their keyboard while doing so? I don't understand the need or desire for an edit function on this site. Explain, please!
WRITERS...
by AssWhole
Nov 5th, 2007
07:02:07 PM
Yep, they're known for how well paid they are. Why would anyone go into acting, directing, law, architecture, or medicine, when you can ride that big money gravy train that only writers are priveleged to ride? Fuck off you ignoramus douchebags. Anyone who says the average entertainment writer is well-paid is a fucking idiot. (There is quite a bit of difference between regular assignment writers, a minority amongst the writing community, and those who irregularly receive writing assignments, the majority.) Three cents (if even) per dvd sold? How the hell does someone come up with a writer earning $80,000 on 1 million dvd sales? You obviously don't know what you're talking about, although if it's your asshole doing the talking I can understand the misunderstanding in the translation.
Jonas Grupmy
by Oknight
Nov 5th, 2007
07:02:18 PM
are you confused as to the meaning of what people comment? If not WHY WOULD YOU POSSSIBLY CARE about the editing of text messages? WHY. POSSIBLY.
Jonas Grumpy
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
07:05:51 PM
Doesn't anyone else proofread before posting?

fuck no!.

Is According to Jim still on?
by Shakes
Nov 5th, 2007
07:07:19 PM
I'm serious, I thought it was canceled after last season, right around the time they canned George Lopez.
As for the writers, yeah the big names on shows like Lost and Law and Order probably make a decent paycheck. But pretty much every show out there employs writers in some capacity. Even a "reality" show like Survivor has writers on staff, mainly to write things like Jeff's narratives and stuff. And even for the bigger shows there's a lot of writers on staff who submit ideas and are payed to flesh out other's basic plots. I don't know, its just that the number of people involved in this is more than just the people who wrote the 22 episodes of a show each season.
just remember
by ironic_name
Nov 5th, 2007
07:07:31 PM
sugar is the new oil!
As a writer...
by BoggyCreekBeast
Nov 5th, 2007
07:08:42 PM
I am NOT going to write during this stri- oh, shit!
wow, lot of bitterness from the wannabe crowd
by BrowncoatJedi
Nov 5th, 2007
07:12:25 PM
Admit it, you losers are just bitter nobody cares about your never-to-be-produced 300 page Sci Fi epic, so you're just shitting all over the real writers.
Oknight
by Jonas Grumpy
Nov 5th, 2007
07:16:05 PM
I am not confused as to the meaning of what people comment. For all the years I've been lurking on this site, talkbackers have been complaining about the lack of an edit feature. It seems to me that editing could be done WHILE writing. I know that MySpace allows one to preview a blog entry before posting, but I find that equally unnecessary. Everyone here should just say what they have to say, look at it while they write it, fix it at the time, and quit bellyaching about how their post went up before it could be edited. That's all. It's also known as paying attention. If you hit the return button before you meant to, that's not the fault of anyone running this site.
ironic_name
by Jonas Grumpy
Nov 5th, 2007
07:18:09 PM
"fuck no!." Okay, that was funny.
P.S.
by Jonas Grumpy
Nov 5th, 2007
07:19:32 PM
I'm not a writer, nor do I play one on TV.
NBC will take this extra hard
by MurderMostFowl
Nov 5th, 2007
07:28:14 PM
Remember, they pulled all their new content from iTunes to launch their new video service coming out RSN? Now that the strike happened, they'll basically launch their new service with no new content. Ouch.
Jenna and John crossed the line today.....
by guyofdoom
Nov 5th, 2007
07:38:40 PM
FYI-Jenna and John shot talking head scenes today........
Jenna Fischer's ex-husband's comments
by rainbowtrout1265
Nov 5th, 2007
07:43:56 PM
His arrogant comments explain why there isn't much sympathy to be found for the writers. A little humility would serve the writers well in the PR battle.
look on the bright side
by palinode
Nov 5th, 2007
07:52:13 PM
There's always lots of Canadian television and uh... shit.
If Tina Fey sees this...
by smackfu
Nov 5th, 2007
08:04:45 PM
You looked like shit on CNN today but I still wouldn't throw you out of bed for eating crackers...
dreyfuss walks off her new sitcom? THANK JESUS
by Pipple
Nov 5th, 2007
08:06:21 PM
That must be the most bland, paint by numbers show since her last attempt at coming out from elaine's shadow.
Tim Kring off of Heroes for good?
by Zardoz
Nov 5th, 2007
08:09:10 PM
or just until the strike's over? Both are good...
MAGNUM OPUS - YOU DESCRIBED ANIMALSTRUCTURE TO A FUCKING T
by BringingSexyBack
Nov 5th, 2007
08:09:23 PM
That's him, in a nutshell.
babies gotta eat!
by theonecalledshoe
Nov 5th, 2007
08:10:38 PM
writers on the other hand... who cares? ===end of IM style writing.
This just shows how fucking stupid talkbackers are...
by Kasch
Nov 5th, 2007
08:16:42 PM
"The writers are greedy! They have it so easy! Blah,blah,blah..." You douchebags think you know so much about this business since you watch a lot of TV and post on the fucking internet? The writers are completely in the right here. Residuals are the only thing keeping bread on their table in between jobs and since syndication is being replaced with DVD and internet sales, refusing them a measly share of the profits is pure studio greed. You're all on the outside looking in. Why don't you naysayers move out to L.A. and see if you can survive for more than a few months? On a different note, I hope the strike doesn't hurt Galactica in its final season. Looks like it has already killed Heroes dead.
tylrdrdn you are so correct.
by qweruiop
Nov 5th, 2007
08:21:43 PM
What about all the people who work on these halted tv shows/movies as stage handlers, prop wranglers, sound effect guys, etc. Basically all the people who work behind the scenes. Doesn't that mean that essentially they're out of a job until this strike is over? Who's going to pay them while this happens, which could take weeks if not months? Will they get backend pay for this? I think not. Nice work there WGA writers in that your strike has now put thousands of working class people out of work. Why don't the news organizations talk to these unfortunate people and get their side on this whole mess.
Where's Harry?
by Bluereader
Nov 5th, 2007
08:32:29 PM
I'd love to know where he stands. I'd also like to know what he thinks about all the assholes on this site that think that writers have it easy and they shouldn't be paid well for their work. They are - to quote one of my favorite writers - cocksuckers! (That means you AnalSucker - I mean AnimalStructure.
How many good shows will this kill?
by Novaman5000
Nov 5th, 2007
08:42:47 PM
Isn't anyone else concerned that Pushing Daisies, like Cane, might not survive this?
In regards to the affected crew members...
by the beef
Nov 5th, 2007
08:43:58 PM
Why place blame on the writers? Why is the studio not just as much at fault for not agreeing to the WGA terms? It's sad that the crew members are out of work, but to say that the writers shouldn't fight for their right to obtain things that they deserve because it'll put thousands of other people out of work is just bowing down to the studios, and then nothing would EVER change. Yes, it sucks that these people will have no income, but you can just easily place blame on the studios for not giving in as you can for the writers choosing not to work. This isn't about the rich wanting to get richer. This seems to be about people being paid their due. That's admirable, and it's just unfortunate that the "lesser" employees on the totem pole will have to suffer.
Writers are just greedy douchebags
by Bob of the Shire
Nov 5th, 2007
08:46:31 PM
Thinkin' they is so smart with their big words and fancy letters.

Nah, the big guilds annoy me sometimes but I'm with the writers on this one. I just hope the studios cave in quick and my favorite shows get back into production. For instance, I'd hate to see the quality of The Shield season finale dip because of this but I understand and agree with Shawn Ryan's position. There is a lot more than just the current seasons production riding on this.
Scrubs is in Danger!
by MMacKK
Nov 5th, 2007
08:47:41 PM
As a result of the strike, Scrubs projected finale may never come to fruition as theyve only done 12 of the 18 shows! http://usydedu.facebook.com/gr oup.php?gid=6206727682 If this happens, I'll be devastated... I mean 7 years, and no conclusion to Tv's greatest show? That's sacrilege.
I am all for writers getting residuals, but
by Novaman5000
Nov 5th, 2007
08:51:32 PM
I hate this "scab" bullshit. So not only are you going to stop writing, but anyone else who wants to try to write gets shat on and guilt tripped? Unions can be fucking bullies sometimes.

It's damn near impossible to make it out here without being in a union, and it's hard to get into a union without getting some experience. It can be really frustrating, which makes it hard to sympathize.

And what about all the crew out of work now cuz of these guys striking? 22 weeks is a long time with no job. I'm torn. I just want my shows back. But hey, maybe this will mean Richard returns to LOST!

Also, Moore can picket his ass off. BSG doesn't come back for like 5 years anyway, so we've got time.

Heroes gets flushed down the toilet
by AlwaysThere
Nov 5th, 2007
08:52:53 PM
About fucking time.
If scrubs doesn't get a finale because of this bullshit,l
by Novaman5000
Nov 5th, 2007
08:53:21 PM
I'll be livid.

It sort of makes you wonder how creatively invested these people are in their shows if they're willing to kill them over getting residual payment down the line...

Writers are well-paid?
by uglyMood
Nov 5th, 2007
08:59:16 PM
Wow. What else is ass-backwards in your alternate universe? Anybody that's been in or around the business in THIS one knows that the vast majority of writers make squat. It's been that way since the film industry began. As for writing not being work, we'll discuss it after you've written a decent screenplay. What an incredible ignoramus.
not all writers are rich you idiots in fact
by slappy jones
Nov 5th, 2007
09:08:43 PM
writers for the most part get treated like shit, paid the least and struggle. anyone who calls the writers greedy and thinks they are out of line is a knob. The studios and networks are greedy and will do anything they can to fuck people out their money. Claiming that DVDs are still in their infancy and it is still too experimental...give me a break. I see people on here talking about the writers shouls count their lucky stars to have such cushy jobs..these guys actually create and come with the shows...they make them successful yet reap the least of the rewards.
Tack a season end on to Heroes?
by Larry of Arabia
Nov 5th, 2007
09:11:30 PM
That's not a good move. If the cast and crew films it I'm off the show myself.
but most of what they write is garbage slappy
by Pipple
Nov 5th, 2007
09:11:41 PM
I know I long for the days when I'd actually look forward to watching an afternoon full of brilliant television but those days are long gone. Wow the great minds that brought us according to jim and Cavemen are going to have to buy cheaper coffee or whatever boo fuckin hoo
and the second the strike ends.....
by LHombreSiniestro
Nov 5th, 2007
09:12:34 PM
Writer's block! I'm glad shows are off so I can focus on my end of semester term papers. Sheesh!
kudos to Kring
by INWOsuxRED
Nov 5th, 2007
09:13:26 PM
the stories sure made it sound like the revision was in the bag, I'm glad he didn't comply, even if it costs him his show. I also liked his appearance on G4. The sad thing is, if he was listening to fanboys, he was probably saving budget/action for the finale, which will never happen.
Fuck this shit.
by Dwide Shrewd
Nov 5th, 2007
09:13:33 PM
Who are we now, the French? Fuck this strike bullshit.
What the hell is wrong with you people!?
by Siguy
Nov 5th, 2007
09:13:42 PM
"Stupid lazy writers" "Fucking hollywood guilds" "Greedy shits" Let's be clear. You're saying "Writers are stupid, they shouldn't get more money, the major corporation should get it." I can't imagine you people. What sort of demented person wakes up in the morning and thinks "God I hope Sony doesn't make 880 million dollars this quarter instead of 900 because of those greedy writers." I mean seriously, even if you think the writers are well-paid, in what sense is it greedy or stupid to expect to make a reasonable percentage of all the money your work generates. How is it better for you, the talkbacking nutjob, to have Sony or WB or whoever keeping all the extra profit? It's not like they pass the savings onto you.
these geeks with their miniscule muscles just shut down
by slappy jones
Nov 5th, 2007
09:13:48 PM
nearly every t.v. show around. I would their minsule muscles just fucked hollywood in the ass. Animal Structure your raging jealousy at being denied guild membership hurts I know but seriously....you are a bit of a bell end.
it would be something
by INWOsuxRED
Nov 5th, 2007
09:15:58 PM
if other American workers would actually fight for their rights. Maybe if Walmart workers would unionize and strike, they wouldn't spend an extra hour a day at work stocking hot-pants and cream corn after they clock out because the assistant manager told them to.
Stop mentioning Cavemen
by Siguy
Nov 5th, 2007
09:16:59 PM
You people are amazing. "Those idiots who brought us Cavemen want more money."
What the hell are you talking about? Cavemen, like 90% of everything you hate, was not created by a writer. It was a series of commercials that a network executive decided to turn into a TV show. Then he hired a writer to make it, but Hollywood writers don't sit around dreaming up shit. The studios that you seem to think have a divine right to 99% of all profits come up with this shit and then pay some idiots a pittance to write it. So quit bringing up Cavemen and saying it's proof that hollywood writers suck and don't deserve more money. There's a lot of crap out there, but this idea that there's nothing but millionaire writers running around hollywood coming up with every piece of garbage you see is silly; the writers don't run hollywood, the studios do, you know, the people who you are for some reason worried will be bankrupt if they pay the writers an extra four cents.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Xiphos
by F-1000
Nov 5th, 2007
09:17:31 PM
Your arguments are so illogical as to be hysterically humorous. Yes the demand of the market (i.e. people willing to spend their money for goods) decides the VOLUME of money an industry will receive. Yet, it does not decide the DISTRIUBITION of that said money amongst those who participate in, conceive, manage, and manufacture the goods that industry produces. Quite obviously no industry can function as a cohesive whole without even one of its systems. Just as an organism can hardly function at all without even one of its many organs. Thus the idea of one sector of an industry being more valuable as a whole than another is simply an illusion created by human greed. In reality value is assigned to various tasks by "industry leaders" in the interest of keeping the status quo unless it serves to increase their own pay grade. The whole spiel of it being wrong to limit what the top echelon can make because it might trickle down to the "lesser worker" (not lesser in actuality) because, "someday you might be up here making as much as us"; Is nothing more than kool aid and they are happy the majority of you choose to drink of it. Because in all probability you will never reach their echelon and/or pay grade. They in fact, are counting on that. The truth they don't want the average worker to realize is that in any sector of industry nobody is irreplaceable. They want you to believe those abstract values assigned to your certain position, no matter what that position or value may be, as long as it keeps you from climbing that ladder another rung. If you feel replaceable, and you believe them not to be, you can keep working for little compared to them. And as it applies to the Motion Picture Industry, neither the studio heads, the writers, the producers, the actors, the grips, the sound people, or any cog in the machine is irreplaceable.
Christ...
by vanchimera
Nov 5th, 2007
09:19:19 PM
This is gonna really fuck up DVD sets. Fuck Hollywood.
I support the strike, but actors have a seperate contract
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Nov 5th, 2007
09:19:22 PM
and it shows extreme bad faith to not fulfill that agreement. That said, actors who do extensive improv, like the cast of the office, do have a leg to stand on here.
Hey, is McWeeny on strike?
by LHombreSiniestro
Nov 5th, 2007
09:19:32 PM
Is he part of the guild or nah?
FUCK the Writers - Here's Why:
by hechtal
Nov 5th, 2007
09:20:32 PM
The important fucks who head shows like the Office and other showrunners make mad money. I tried finding the average writers salary but they're all over the place - something like shitty writers make 30k, vets make 70k, and the big boys make 200k. So basically, I'm losing out on the Office because the good writers are supporting the hack writers who write goddamn shitty skits on SNL, or fucking Crest commercials. FUCK YOU pretentious hack writers, and thanks for fucking up my entertainment, because once again it's all about the money, fuck the fans. It reminds me of the baseball strike - once it happened I totally lost interest in the sport. Same with hockey. I don't give a fuck about people who choose a way of living that involves some risk when it comes to money making. If some schlep can't make money writing maybe his true calling is working at Burger King (I'm talking to you, Heroes writers).
AnimalStructure
by Kasch
Nov 5th, 2007
09:23:06 PM
You're talking out of your ass. If you had writer friends in the industry, you'd know how fucking difficult it is to actually do it. And if you really do know people and always get into "heated arguements over this shit", news flash, bucko: They're doing it, you're not. Writers are always on call and work incredibly long hours for insane deadlines, mostly working to the whims of producers and hoping that even a small percentage of their creativite input will make it into the final product. They have every right to complain when they're getting fucked out of their main source of revenue. Why don't you run off and try to be creative under obscene pressure then come back and tell me how you're not doing "real work?" Douchebag.
*DISTRIBUTION
by F-1000
Nov 5th, 2007
09:25:40 PM
Yeah, like they aint paid a living wage...
by Raymar
Nov 5th, 2007
09:26:01 PM
We need to hire us some strikebreakers like they had in the 20's. Crack some skulls and Tina Fey will fall back in line...
What's that writers? I didn't hear you...
by ZeroCorpse
Nov 5th, 2007
09:27:12 PM
Seeing as I just did a 10-hour shift as a retail bookseller, shelving thousands of pounds of books, wearing my fingers down peeling stickers off of old sale items, listening to my knees creak every time I crawl to the bottom shelf or climb the ladder to the top for whining customers, inhaling the flu-breath of every sick, stupid motherfucker who goes shopping when they should stay home, and dealing with holiday customers who range from very pleasant to fucking insane and rude... All for something that isn't all that far from minimum wage when you compared to what you're making.

But by all means, you keep striking. Maybe you can add a clause to your contract that guarantees lattes will be delivered to you on a silver platter by naked, well-muscled slaves.

Me? I've got to go in to work tomorrow night (my day off) and move an entire holiday kiosk (which includes a few thousand pounds of metal, wood, and merchandise) because some schmuck gave us the wrong lot designation. Since you're all out of work for the time being, how'd you like to come and help me out? I was going to sit at home and write, but I've got bills to pay and can't get paid for writing like some people.

Keep looking that gift horse in the mouth, guys. The rest of us admire your work, but can't really sympathize with your angst. We're all busting our balls in jobs that make yours look like a vacation, and getting paid a LOT less to do it.

Kasch
by F-1000
Nov 5th, 2007
09:28:17 PM
I would agree with you, except this argument between the WGA and producers isn't about their main source of revenue (which should be higher, along with the pay of everyone in the motion industry outside of studio heads, actors and producers), but residuals.
Once again, those saying writers are greedy...
by Siguy
Nov 5th, 2007
09:30:12 PM
Why do you automatically side with the corporation?

When you say the writers have "taken away my entertainment," why don't you instead think "the studios have fucked up my entertainment by refusing to pay their writers."

You the viewer and the studio decide what gets made by what you watch. Every year writers are gonna propose hundreds of TV series, probably many of them interesting and cool. Then those will be wittled down to four or five absolutely shitty, hack-fests that you now decry. You can't say "Oh 90% of all the writers suck." How do you know that? Why blame ALL writers when it's the studios that decide whose shows get made? They're the ones consistently choosing crap over quality.
Kasch
by hechtal
Nov 5th, 2007
09:31:16 PM
You act like it's some kind of goddamn tragedy these writers face, like they DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW how hard the industry is. Boo-fucking-hoo. The people chose their careers, and obviously there are writes who make money. Just because some can't get that "big break" to go from their bohemian, pot smoking lifestyles to the bohemian, cocaine snorting lifestyle doesn't mean Hollywood should be shut down. Basically, if you're good you'll make money, if you suck, you won't. This bullshit of sucking and wanting more money is cockfuck..
So we've decided here that
by Larry of Arabia
Nov 5th, 2007
09:31:57 PM
Writers should walk up to the studios and say "Oh sir, please film my script. I spent two years on it. No, No, I don't want money. Here, take all the money it will make. It's a privilege to do this for you. In fact, I'll stay in that room over there and write 22 more of these for you. God bless you." Not only that, most of the Talkbackers can write better scripts, as evidenced by the loads of high quality fan fic and unpublished spec scripts on the net. Makes sense to me.
Residuals
by Kasch
Nov 5th, 2007
09:33:25 PM
Sadly, because of the meager pay for most writers, their main source of income is residuals. That was all fine and dandy, but now that syndication is dying and the studios are switching to internet distribution and refusing to pony up a measly percent of their profits, then that is extremely damaging.
Shut the fuck up ZeroCorpse and
by underscore_only
Nov 5th, 2007
09:37:08 PM
others of your ilk. You're all idiots. Say what you will about unions or the quality of TV or things like that, but all of this crap you spew about "boohoo, writers, I work harder, blah blah" sounds like jealous bitching. I'm sure those writers have worked hard at crap jobs, and I'm sure they work hard right now for their work. I've done office work, call centres, construction, woodworking, retail, you name it. All of them are hard in their own way. I don't give a shit whether you think you work harder than they do, they deserve to be paid for what they do. Assholes.
Theres a difference between good and well-paid writers
by TheSecondQuest
Nov 5th, 2007
09:37:41 PM
Just because some writer isn't getting top-dollar doesn't mean he's not a good writer. We've had tons of great shows and films that, for one reason or another, didn't succeed. Writers need to be able to make enoguh money to live on in regions of the country that have a very high cost of living, so that they'll be able to do their craft- some do get up to the big leagues, most do not. And why should successful writers on shows like The Office, etc strike? It's suppoting everytone, including writers who are paid less who are in the exact same position people like Tina Fey and Steve Carell were in a few years ago. If you can't survive down there with what your paid (whcih could be a once-a-year thing in some cases, if not less), a writer will never be able to give us the bigger league stuff we crave cause he won't have the chance to get tehre.
ZEROCORPSE
by BringingSexyBack
Nov 5th, 2007
09:38:09 PM
Maybe bookstore workers should unionize and demand better pay. Just a thought!
As for other works like stage hands and such...
by Deathpool
Nov 5th, 2007
09:38:36 PM
The Teamsters Unions in Hollywood are in favor of the strike as well. Anyone with half a brain will realize what is being done is wrong. And no, a lot of them didn't 'know what they were getting into', considering that digital distribution is a relatively new enterprise, and they fact the writers get NO percentage of the profits from them is a crime. I see a lot of people crying because it stops them from getting new Office or Heroes episodes or whatever. Honestly, for once in your life, think of someone but yourself.
Larry of Arabia
by hechtal
Nov 5th, 2007
09:38:45 PM
Read tylrdrdn's message above. What I see is that a bunch of talented writers stand up for the untalented majority of hacks, and the rest of the industry suffers - like the people who working on set busting their asses, making shit. Writers can bitch and whine that they're treated unfairly but they have it good in many respects when the worst thing they have to worry about is a paper cut or spilling their goddamned coffee. Oh wait, I'm sorry, their ideas also might get shot down and hurt their feelings.
Hechtal
by Kasch
Nov 5th, 2007
09:40:07 PM
Spoken like someone who knows piss-all about how this industry works. If you did, you'd know that this strike isn't about perks, it's about giving these industry workers what they need to survive. Most of these people don't make Tina Fey and Steve Carrell money. Unless you're an industry big-wig, you have to work your ass off to survive...like anyone else on a movie set.
I think it's because people don't like Unions
by Larry of Arabia
Nov 5th, 2007
09:41:50 PM
Which I don't understand. Sure they aren't the greatest thing, but if you like capitalism you like unions. In essence, a group of people who provide a service get together and negotiates terms so they can accumulate profit. Isn't the accumulation of profit capitalism? Why begrudge them that? It's not unlike a company, that provides a service and sets the terms at which that service will be provided. If you don't want to pay you don't get that service. The studios don't want to pay, they don't get writers just like if you don't want to pay for an HDTV you don't get an HDTV. The difference is that they can negotiate for writers. You usually can't negotiate for your HDTV. So then... what's the issue?
I disagree with the idea that
by NoodlesHahn
Nov 5th, 2007
09:42:42 PM
just because you enjoy the work you do in your chosen profession, your employer has the right to screw you over.

I also disagree with the idea that only workers who do physical labor are allowed to strike.

I think these are reasonable point.

Obviously most writers can't and shouldn't try to sustain themselves on the money they make from writing. Obviously they should have an understanding of the business they're getting into. But if they are being cheated out of a nickel they have a right to fight for that nickel. That nickel means a lot more to a struggling writer than it does to a producer. You're setting an awful precedent if you're saying it's okay for employers to cheat their employees if said employees enjoy the work they do.
Tim Kring DID do the rewrite...
by Iceberg3
Nov 5th, 2007
09:43:23 PM
according to the news article at: http://www.hdnews.net/Story/p0 775_BC_HollywoodLabor_Option_1 1_05_1239 "Tim Kring, a producer and writer of the NBC hit "Heroes," joined about a dozen writers on a picket line in an effort to shut down the show. "It's very surreal," he said. Kring said he had to revise the ending of the 11th episode of "Heroes" on the chance that it might be the last one to air this season. "Fortunately we were able to hustle back," he said. "The audience won't be left in a lurch."
Kasch
by hechtal
Nov 5th, 2007
09:44:01 PM
Like I just said asshole, writers fucking chose to write. The go in knowing that they might make shit if their stories or whatever suck. How has that changed in Hollywood...ever? And you say its the industry giving them what they need to survive - what is that? My guess is people too pretentious to get a second job.
Union, Union, Union, Union....
by rsswope
Nov 5th, 2007
09:44:47 PM
I remember the last one, I was in Colege but I think it happened during the summer and the new series were not so screwed, just a VERY extended summer of reruns. But this if the big wigs do not bargain they are gonna be SCREWED.
Unions are Over
by jjwspider
Nov 5th, 2007
09:51:57 PM
I think that the time for the Union are quickly coming to an end. How much more would the writer's be paid if they were signed to an exclusive contract by a company or if Hollywood began paying for the scripts prepared vs the system in place now. At what point does it not become profitable enough for a company to even bother with scripted television or limit the budget for these shows. If you cripple the industry your working in you may lead to the potential that to much damage is done and fewer jobs are open as a result. So we now have two questions: How long before the tax payers are picking up the writers food stamps and unemployment earnings? and When does Hollywood begin to outsource their script writing chores overseas?
Hechtal
by Kasch
Nov 5th, 2007
09:52:10 PM
"Dur...writers make money when they're good." Oh, is that how it works? Wow! Wish we all lived in the fantasy world inside your dopey head. Do you even know what the word "pretentious" means anyway? Oh, and try to get a second job when you're running off a full of weekend of no sleep trying to finish rewrites from the latest round of studio notes before cameras roll on Monday morning...
How much were they asking for in Digital Distribution profits?
by Deathpool
Nov 5th, 2007
09:53:59 PM
Like 2.5%, right? So if you bought an episode of Heroes off amazon like I did once for $2.00, the writers of that particular episode would have to split a whopping 5 cents. That's what the studios are butthurt over, giving a miniscule chunk of change to those who deserve it.
Fine Not cavemen, That show Aliens in America
by Pipple
Nov 5th, 2007
09:55:11 PM
And every other retarded show on now... Strike when you've got more quality shows on the air, writers...
Tell you what---
by ZeroCorpse
Nov 5th, 2007
09:56:30 PM
If Steve Carell and Tina Fey have it so hard not getting those residuals, I would be HAPPY to trade places with them. They can come do my job, managing a bookstore for peanuts and dealing with customers, and I'll try to suffer with their paycheck-- even without the residuals-- for doing exactly what they do, with the amount of support they get when doing it.

"They deserve to be paid for what they do" -- Yeah, and they ARE paid. They sell a script, and they cash some SERIOUS checks. What they're saying here is "The studios found a way to make more money off the project I worked on, and I want a piece of that pie, too." -- Nevermind that you've already been paid for the job (writing the script), but now you want a paycheck every time they put it on a different form of media?

I don't know how it is for other people, but when I get paid for a job, there's no option for me to get a second paycheck for the same job just because it's later found to be more far-reaching than initially believed.

And for the record, I am a writer and a musician. A paid one. I've been published, and the understanding is that once the publisher buys my work, they can reprint it in whatever format they desire-- I already got paid for it when they bought it. I'm not famous enough to get a sweet royalty deal, so like most non-famous artists who just want to be paid for their art, I have to take a freelance, work-for-hire deal. Frankly, I'd be THRILLED if something of mine made more money for the publisher than originally expected-- because that means my NEXT project could be a lot better for my pocketbook.

I'm sorry, but if NBC slaps old episodes of Knight Rider on iTunes, that doesn't mean that the writers who penned those scripts 25 years ago should automatically get another payday-- Unless they specifically worked out a royalty deal that allows those kinds of residuals.

Again-- I'll gladly trade situations with ANY writer working on a television show. I'll even take a PAY CUT from what they're making, and it will probably still be more than what I can make in any other job. I respect them, but they really need to see that what they do, and the amount they already get paid, is pretty fucking awesome. There are millions of talented writers who would love to just make what we're making now in our normal jobs, but for writing.

As it stands, you can either get the big bucks as a writer, or not get paid at all. There doesn't seem to be very much in-between. Show me a writer's guild member who works for minimum wage. They. Don't. Exist.

Not all that shocking that the Office cast would support the str
by JiveTalker
Nov 5th, 2007
09:58:09 PM
...given that half their cast members are also writers (and/or producers) on the show as well: Carrell, Kaling, Novak, Lieberstein. I mean it's very cool the others supported them, but c'mon, what else are they gonna do? You can't exactly do a show without Michael, Ryan, Toby, or Kelly, et al.
This is why I watch porn
by Turd Furgeson
Nov 5th, 2007
10:03:54 PM
Same script every time, he eats her box, she blows him, he nails her in 4 different positions and for the grand finale, hollows out her asshole then blows a load in her face.. Same script every time.... www.redtube.com here i come.
ZeroCorpse
by NoodlesHahn
Nov 5th, 2007
10:18:03 PM
We don't live in a vacuum. Not every industry is equal to each other. Just because the entertainment industry is as big as it is and just because writers get to do what they they are truly passionate about doesn't mean that they should be cheated out of what they earn.

Residuals are a part of the business, it IS part of the deal. The question is how they apply to new media. The WGA says it does, producers say otherwise and are trying to weasel their way out of giving up miniscule amounts of money.

It would be awesome if you were paid more for the hard work you do, I had a similar job in retail. It would be awesome if teachers got paid more and public servants, etc, etc. But the industries are just different and that's just the way it is. Writers are trying to get a tiny piece of a huge pie and that tiny piece is larger than the entire pies of other industries. That's just the way it is. They are still entitled to that piece.
writers and work
by GrndlWnderer
Nov 5th, 2007
10:22:35 PM
I have always found this arugment between money and talent (thats the disticntion) to be truly sad. Those who have the money will say, without my money, you won't get anything produced, so I am more important. Those with talent, will say without my talent, you won't have anything to produce. Both are right, and both are wrong. Rarely, if ever does talent have the money or the skill to keep the money to produce, and just as rare does the money have the talent to create content. The two skillsets (except in rare instances) seem to be mutually exclusive. Generaly, I don't have much support for creative union strikes, as it always seems to be a power issue more than anything else. But this is a different issue. As pointed out earlier, this is not about pay scale, this is about pay for performance. The so-called new media is a goldmine, as it represents the only growing segement of the entertainment biz. The Studios want all of that profit ( which is projected to dwarf all other mediums combined) to themselves. The writers,actors,directors,etc.. . currently receive 0% of those profits. Now if a new revenue stream opens to the entertinment industry and it were my words that went on 'net and I did not receive renumeration for it, I would be very upset. It is only fair, my ideas, they make you money, you pay me residuals.Fair.That is how creative artists make money, residuals. And believe me, as I have a friend who wrote a couple of shows that made it to air, and I have seen his checks...it ain't a whole lot of cash. The show he wrote for is from the early nineties, ran a while, and is in regular syndication....I see his episodes about twice a year...and the checks are staggeringly small. So now, Netflix and others will be able to broadcast his shows on the net and he gets no payback on it...that strikes me as unfair and he has a right to complain, as that is how most writers make their living. And, as for a certain person on the talkback who is vocally against the writers strike. Please, back off. Whatever beef you have with creative types ( and from your posts you clearly have a beef with them not realted to this issue) please remember, a lot of money is made here, and not a lot of it goes to the creative types. Here, in this case, a new media is opening up, and the writers want to make sure they do not get excluded from this revenue stream. They seek to maintian a share in a new and possibly extremly profitable enviornment.Like all good capitialist ( and by the way, I am a good capitailist) they seek return on investment. I played at writing and acting a little in college,and still do for fun ( I am an IT TECHNICIAN), and believe me, writing good stuff aint easy. It takes time and effort, a lot of effort. I once was a writer on a local live comedy show, strictly amateur, ran for over two years...we even made about 10 bucks each a week. I spent all of my time not at work or in class writing or researching for the scripts. I had to be on top of every little local news bit, every national news, gossip, rumour and story I could. I had to be able to write a joke about some actor who got caught with his pants down, some politician who was trying to impeach someone for adultery, but his mistress rated him out. And this was just for a two-bit live comedy show that usually had maybe 50 to 100 people watching it. Now imagine you are on a nationaly syndicated show that has millions of people, and your jokes are what keep everyone in your studio from the caterer to the gaffer employeed, there is pressure and real work there. If you haven't done it, please trust me, it ain't easy. And if you have and it is easy for you...well damn you, you are one of the lucky few that it comes easy to, 'cuz it was always backbreaking soul sucking work for me to put what I had writen infront of people.
I'm just glad the writers will finally be getting exercise
by chrth
Nov 5th, 2007
10:29:48 PM
Maybe they'll lose a few pounds picketing, maybe add an extra year or three to their lives.
Heh
by Anton_Sirius
Nov 5th, 2007
10:29:50 PM
Trolls like ZeroCorpse and AnimalStructure are funny. And by "funny" I mean "bitter, jealous fucktards." Rail away at the striking writers all your want, mouth breathers. You'd sell your mothers and your withered, unused testicles to be on a picket line with them right now.
GOD DAMN IT! THATS IT! I'M ALSO ON STRIKE!
by tailhook
Nov 5th, 2007
10:31:54 PM
Not a writer... i'm striking to complain about the content of the majority of shows on my TV. Until the quality goes WAY UP... I'M ON FREAKING STRIKE!
There are a lot of fucking idiots in this TB
by WWBD
Nov 5th, 2007
10:37:32 PM
it needed to be said. Go WGA.
Can we get a list of shows & strike
by jbs0209
Nov 5th, 2007
10:39:26 PM
Can we get a list of shows and how many episodes they have in the can before the strike?

Specifically, how will this affect my beloved Dexter?

The problem is that all of you are capitalists
by chrth
Nov 5th, 2007
10:39:32 PM
Both sides of the argument. One side is saying "They should get their due!" the other side is saying "They should be thankful they have jobs!" etc etc.

Take money entirely out of the equation. Then you'll see who's right in this argument.

Me. Kring/NBC, call me baby, we'll do lunch.

The Simpsons has done everything anyway
by Pipple
Nov 5th, 2007
10:42:40 PM
Therefore this strike is futile.
Differences in Media
by jjwspider
Nov 5th, 2007
10:46:12 PM
GrndlWnderer brings up an interesting point about the airings but at the same time other media typically don't include any extra payments for additional printings/pressings. For instance, if you create a concept in the comic industry - you are typically credited as the creator and may be paid a royalty fee. However, if you're simply writing pre-established characters or are tapped to write a concept that created by someone else, the company has no obligation to re-pay you for the work that has already been done. If Hollywood adopted a similar system then one could easily see the new concepts from the older ones and maybe even an increase in original ideas.
Take money out of the equation?
by Holodigm
Nov 5th, 2007
10:47:08 PM
What are you talking about? This whole thing is about money. Remove the money from the equation and you have no equation.
Holodigm: You are closer to reach zen
by chrth
Nov 5th, 2007
10:50:56 PM
The next step: Chant "I don't believe in Zimmerman" ... enlightenment will come.
Mr Saxon
by Shivv
Nov 5th, 2007
10:52:13 PM
There are probably thousands of people who would be willing to write under that arrangement. It's too bad that the studios won't hire them or at least threaten to hire them to end the strike
I will gladly be a scab-writer for more money than I make now.
by Soops
Nov 5th, 2007
10:54:27 PM
I got high-speed Internet and everything, Hollywood.
Good Message
by WhiteyFord
Nov 5th, 2007
10:54:40 PM
With giant shows shutting down left and right the producers cant really expect to keep this up. Not giving in within the next few weeks could cripple a lot of studios. So lets hope this ends tomorrow.
You guys are idiots
by D.Vader
Nov 5th, 2007
10:57:23 PM
Screw you for calling those responsible for writing the entertainment *you* enjoy "scum", "greedy fucks", and any other derogatory term.

Turn off your tv, stop going to the movies, end your Netflix subscription, and go hole up in a shack in the woods with a large tome of books.

But just shut the fuck up with your pitiful whining. Bite the hand that feeds indeed.

PAY. THE FUCKING. WRITERS.
by DOGSOUP
Nov 5th, 2007
10:58:00 PM
Jesus Titty Fuck! Writers, don't work until you get paid. I don't care how long it takes or what shows suffer.
This has Don Music written all over it!
by RetroActive
Nov 5th, 2007
10:59:21 PM
Oh, I'll never get it! Never!!! (Slam face on piano keys). What a joke. Money makers striking. It's ridiculous.
hey, animalstructure
by necgray
Nov 5th, 2007
10:59:41 PM
The next time a ditch digger pays $50,000 a year for 4-6 years to get an education so he can do his job properly, you let me know. Oh, and when that ditch digger is told that the only ditch that will actually support him is located in one or two cities in the entire Unites States, a ditch that costs him $1200 a month live near, you let me know. Or hey, when that ditch digger's employer tells him that the ditch he just dug is classified under a different zoning law as not a ditch so he doesn't get paid for digging, you let me know. How many other ways can I put this? And if the world worked according to YOUR apparent standards, novelists, painters, teachers, scientists, shit ANYONE who doesn't "sweat" for their job wouldn't get paid. Bullshit. Go form an island community where you and your friends can farm and barter all day long.
"hole up in a shack in the woods"
by chrth
Nov 5th, 2007
11:00:21 PM
I was going to do that, but then my glasses broke. It wasn't fair! There was going to be time!
OMG!! its really happening!
by dr.bulber
Nov 5th, 2007
11:01:18 PM
I just ate my boyfriend's brains. whats happening to me? I think...think... it tasted pretty good. I want... to go to the mall. go to mall and eat more brains yum. brains.
wow you turned Steve Carrell into an asshole
by zooch
Nov 5th, 2007
11:06:18 PM
no easy feat.
D.Vader
by jjwspider
Nov 5th, 2007
11:09:23 PM
If they shacked up with their large tome of books - wouldn't these have been written by a writer?
Animal Structure especially, you are an idiot
by D.Vader
Nov 5th, 2007
11:09:54 PM
When you get screwed over, you don't cry about it, you DON'T DO ANYTHING. Why? Because you're a pussy. A lazy pussy who's content to allow others to take advantage of him rather than fight for what he deserves. Go figure. Lazy bum.
jjwspider: Not by one in a union
by chrth
Nov 5th, 2007
11:12:56 PM
Well, I mean, ok, maybe, like a member of the teamsters or something when he got his big break, but there is no union for the authors of books (at least in the US, can't vouch for other soils)
I'D HIRE ANIMALSTRUCTURE OVER ANYONE ELSE
by BringingSexyBack
Nov 5th, 2007
11:12:59 PM
Come work for me Animal, I can pay you half what I pay the Mexicans and I'll even throw in a dirty water dog for lunch.
I figured out ZeroCorpse's problem
by D.Vader
Nov 5th, 2007
11:18:17 PM
He's an unsuccessful writer who now has to manage a bookstore. Hence all his "I would gladly trade places with them" bullshit. He's upset they found success and he didn't.

Now, I'm not one to personally attack people, other than my catchphrase "You're an idiot", but come on Zero. You've done more bitching here about your job than any writer has during this strike. They're not complaning about their job- they're complaining about being screwed, people making money off their intellectual property.

There IS a difference there, you know?

F-1000
by HillaryLovesMe
Nov 5th, 2007
11:23:41 PM
A cutesy philosophy, but let me fix it for you. (Payment not necessary; this one's free.) No, no one is really "irreplaceable". But some are more -replaceable- than others. Losing the unique skills of Julio the floor-sweeper is not as big of a loss to the corporation as would be losing the unique skills of Craig the chief financial officer. To be quite honest (which you are unable to do, being mired in wishful thinking), changing floor-sweepers will not significantly affect a corporation's fortunes -- if it makes an affect at all. Okay, the corp might lose 0.0024%, because Julio's whimsical personality as he made his rounds during closing time made the folks in Accounting that much more productive. But that's not really something to make Julio feel like he's absolutely indispensable to his employers. He's really not, practically speaking. The corporation will survive his departure and replacement with nary a shiver or twitch in its operations. This is why he doesn't get paid as much as the executives. He's not financially worth as much. His worth as a human being is inestimable, but his worth as an employee is very much tangible. Julio can demand an executive-level $5 million a year for his (lol) "irreplaceable" floor-sweeping services, but that philosophy won't get a lot of sympathy from his employers. They're bound to say, "Okay, Julio, show us how keeping our floors clean will net us five million dollars this year." I'm sure you can come up with a hilarious answer for him, but not one that will keep him from promptly being un-irreplaced.
Chrth....
by D.Vader
Nov 5th, 2007
11:24:43 PM
A Zone reference?

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

ANIMALSTRUCTURE RUNNING OFF AT THE MOUTH REMINDS ME
by BringingSexyBack
Nov 5th, 2007
11:25:29 PM
of this ese.

http://tinyurl.com/2ep6k6

Rainbow Trout
by mike honcho
Nov 5th, 2007
11:25:35 PM
It's sort of lame that you're ripping on James Gunn. Sure, he wrote the Scooby-Doo flicks (which I haven't seen), but he also penned the awesome Dawn of the Dead remake. Not only that, he also both wrote and directed Slither, one of last year's best horror flicks.
JJWSpider
by D.Vader
Nov 5th, 2007
11:26:34 PM
Hmmm, you're right. I'd say "bring your PSP or DS", but hell, someone wrote that too... Granted, probably not someone in the Union, but still, it's the principle of the thing.

They must be sports fans.


by IGoToCollege
Nov 5th, 2007
11:54:59 PM
D. Vader, you're a hypocrite. The programs and movies you watch would not exist without corporations and producers who prove massive amounts of funding for startup, so "[s]crew you for calling those responsible for creating the entertainment *you* enjoy "scum", "greedy fucks", and any other derogatory term. Turn off your tv, stop going to the movies, end your Netflix subscription, and go hole up in a shack in the woods with a large tome of books." The writers can "just shut the fuck up with [their] pitiful whining. Bite the hand that feeds indeed." The people that are bitter are those in favor of redistribution of wealth. The jealous ones are those that are pissed that they're not making the amount of money corporate heads are. If you don't believe in corporatization stop going to McDonald's, Wal-Mart, and any other corporate entity. Until then, you have no right to speak. Try telling people supporting their family working 15 hour shifts in blue collar jobs (or even the people that work the sets in Hollywood) how hard the writers have it, and they'll laugh in your face, you elitist son of a bitch.
my new show idea
by LarryTheCableGuy
Nov 6th, 2007
12:01:19 AM
don't steal it. its called 'those crazy picketers' and it could star everybody picketing and looking stupid. with big dumb signs and chanting stupid rhymes.
No one's saying the writers have it hard
by D.Vader
Nov 6th, 2007
12:03:11 AM
I'm certainly not comparing a writer's job to that of one working two jobs and night shifts to provide for the family. NO ONE is, except for those complaining that the writers are "greedy jerks".

I'm simply pointing out what those who complain are failing to note: the writers are getting screwed out of what's owed them. The studio heads are practically stealing money from them by selling their intellectual property and not compensating those who created it.

If you're in favor of a redistribution of wealth, you don't belong in America. And I have plenty of right to speak- I belong in America. And try to have your posts make a lil more sense, IGoToCollege. At one point you're calling me anti-corporate, at another point you seem to be decrying the WGA haters and defending them at the same time.

And I work on sets you ignorant dipshit.

I'm ready for this to take forever
by Purgatori
Nov 6th, 2007
12:16:47 AM
I just discovered the entire A-Team series on Netflix watch it now and the entire Buck Rogers series and a shit load of other stuff. Bring it on.
THE PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT THE WRITERS
by BringingSexyBack
Nov 6th, 2007
12:54:47 AM
have no clue about intellectual property, art and invention. Royalties are an INCENTIVE for continued invention, innovation, and creativity. Why do you think the U.S. created the copyright and patent processes, and lead the world in artistic and scientific innovation? You would think some of these so-called free market cheerleaders would appreciate that, but it seems the only thing they appreciate is watching people get screwed by corporations, for some unfathomable reason.
doesn't anyone get that Carell and Fey
by oisin5199
Nov 6th, 2007
12:55:06 AM
aren't the ones that are benefitting most from this. If anything, they're striking as a symbolic gesture to support the middle class writers. They know they already make the big bucks, but there's a little thing called solidarity. That's why they're making such a big deal about their visibility.
WOW!!! I mean like, HOLY SHIT there are some dumb motherfuckers
by Regicidal_Maniac
Nov 6th, 2007
01:06:42 AM
Most writers get paid squat and are lucky to receive credit for the work they do. If some of you gripey cunts work long hard hours for very little money then you might be being underpaid or perhaps you're simply underskilled. In which case train up, change industries or quit complaining. If you're a frustrated writer don't take it out on those who do the work you can't. Writers write, they earn their title and they earn their, often measly, compensation. producers seem to think that buying a script is like buying a fruit tree but it's not. We grow the trees, plant them and tend them, we're expected to be on hand to fix the tree under all circumstances, it might be their orchard but they're our fucking trees. The WGA is only demanding that the studios allow writers a slight increase in their harvest of the fruits of our labour.
This is kinda epic
by MetiphisLabs
Nov 6th, 2007
01:19:53 AM
When all these titans of creativity band together. Awesome.
Credibility
by DaKnifeOrDaGun
Nov 6th, 2007
01:39:54 AM
When the actors joined the writers on the picket line it gives credibility to the fight. Besides, as great an actor may be , it's the writer that makes them magnificent. They know where their bread is buttered. Jeez now that the writers are on strike the porn industry must be devestated..LOL. Who's gonna be there to write those one page scripts. Hahahahahaaa.
Dental Plan!!
by buffywrestling
Nov 6th, 2007
01:54:52 AM
Lisa needs braces.R
Dental Plan!!
by D.Vader
Nov 6th, 2007
02:00:53 AM
*Lisa needs braces!*
writers striking not breaking news
by iownyou
Nov 6th, 2007
02:07:30 AM
of course writers of all shows are striking, the guild requires it, why on spot reports, did you think the writing teams of shows would refuse to strike, and surrender their membership?
Dental Plan!!
by D.Vader
Nov 6th, 2007
02:09:02 AM
*Lisa needs braces!*

Come one, these things come in threes you know.

I feel bad for the writers who don't make shit and have to suffe
by Kirbymanly
Nov 6th, 2007
02:09:43 AM
... because someone who already makes 200,000 a year needs more money. Coal Miner, Nurse strike...I'm all for. They all make roughly the same amount of money and the union can care for them during the strike.... but come on! There's those of us who are members and don't make SHIT and are only in it for the health care. So basically, its the Commercial SAG strike of 2000 all over again. We make 80 grand a year and want more money for doing what we love!
The writers keep this world entertained so...
by workshed
Nov 6th, 2007
02:37:46 AM
...pay them what they fucking demand. Fucking networks. Nice to see that there is still a modicum of solidarity in Tinseltown.
I don't like to make sweeping blanket statements...
by DarqueGuy
Nov 6th, 2007
03:05:02 AM
But, seriously, if you think that the writers are being greedy then you are quite honestly the biggest douche on the plan