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‘There’s A Storm Coming,
Dr. Suresh!!’ HEROES 2.7!!

FIRST!!! by SpiceWonBruce	Nov 5th, 2007 01:48:29 AM
This show better improve. And I mean soon.
FOIST !!! And HEROES bores teh stool outta me. by teh Man of Stool	Nov 5th, 2007 01:49:51 AM
Seriously, this season couldn`t possibly be more generic...
3rd. by Animus	Nov 5th, 2007 01:52:27 AM
Damn, I would've been first had I not read the damn thing. This show is going downhill, they better redeem it soon.
I think I'll watch "I Love New York 2" tonight. by Mike_D	Nov 5th, 2007 02:17:57 AM
I'll just keep reading Herc's episode summaries from now on.
Anyone else have a bad feeling about this make shift "season fin by JunoFallon	Nov 5th, 2007 02:18:03 AM
The show has barely picked up any momentum as it is and now because of this strike were going to get a 12 episode season? Man, I hope this doesn't kill this show. I want SO badly for it to pick back up, but this just feels like a bad idea...
it's obvious, isn't it? by prbt	Nov 5th, 2007 02:46:00 AM
The producers knew there was going to be a writers' strike, so they creatively pre-empted it by not getting any writers onboard this season. Explains everything.
writers on strike? by goku_z	Nov 5th, 2007 02:50:03 AM
shouldnt we be going on strike for what the writers had done this season?
they're really planning on making an alt season finale? by newc0253	Nov 5th, 2007 04:26:32 AM
damnn... Heroes season 2 hasn't screened in the UK yet but if all the reports of its slide in quality are correct, ending the season early with a hastily-cobbled together alt ending sounds like the perfect way to cap it.
Not really by NudeandAroused	Nov 5th, 2007 04:31:10 AM
Didn't necessarily jump on the bash 'Heroes' bandwagon because it was so early in the season, but it hasn't been that good. Not really.
Might be a good thing by RongoRongoMu	Nov 5th, 2007 04:33:51 AM
Maybe this will end up being like the lackluster "mini-pod" of six episodes Lost had last season. Wrapping up this lame story arc and having a nice eight-month hiatus could give the Heroes writers a chance to seriously rethink the direction of their show and return on much stronger footing. Like most, I'm dissatisfied with the current season. Heroes' first half-dozen episodes were its strongest. If it can return to that quality, it can be a great show again. Maybe the writers could use a "time out." :-P
TWELFTH! of something. by Napoleon Park	Nov 5th, 2007 04:44:05 AM
wasn't the plan to do Chapters Two and Three during season two. So not the big difference is, Chapter Two will actually have an ending?
I have a feeling the rest of this arc is going to be fantastic by Jor-El23	Nov 5th, 2007 04:57:14 AM
and remind us why we love this show. The season has been sluggish, I'll admit that. It's almost like they started all over again to remind viewers what the show was about.
hope they better give us.. by TimMighty	Nov 5th, 2007 04:59:59 AM
..superpowered fights. They owe us. Kring owes us. Please no more clairebear testing her abilitys crab..i mean...thats worthless isnt it ? Worthless and nasty.
See?!? If We're gone, We can't script... by charon	Nov 5th, 2007 05:00:56 AM
such fabulous stretches of imagination known as "Heroes"! Sorry. I can't give this show much credit after the failure of the episodes leading up to and epitomized in the season one finale, and the utterly lackluster episodes that have followed with each episode since! Truth is, the writers seem to be quite justified in their requests. The market will dictate how many DVDs are sold in the future (I'm not imagining a lot for Heroes S2 as it stands). Now if only all the musicians out there can do the same thing and drop CD prices down to what they're worth ($6-$8 tops per unit with same residuals to the bands, less skim for the "generous" recording labels). Unfortunately it's all about the ca$h, with creativity and innovation being the true victims of this $mackdown...
keep the faith by oafius	Nov 5th, 2007 05:58:51 AM
i don't think the situation is a bad as everyones making out, agreed it hasn't been that amazing this season, but i reckon they'l pull it back, theres still some potentially good stories been brewed. looking forward to peter and nathan meeting again, and nathans melted face alter ego. hiro coming back to the present. oh, and the producers actually figuring how to use green screen haha. its just down right terrible this year, can't remember the comping being that bad last season. but anyway, i have faith they'll get back on track. im still intrigued by it.
wahhh by vic g	Nov 5th, 2007 06:13:53 AM
all right nerds start crying like cunts. wahhhh this episode sucks,wahhhh i'm not watching watching it anymore.
haha by oafius	Nov 5th, 2007 06:22:17 AM
its a fair point really. i hear so much, 'im not watching it anymore', but then there still spending time, talk backing about something they don't watch anymore....maybe just not watch it, and leave it at that? maybe...
This season hasn't been bad per se, by Yeti	Nov 5th, 2007 06:29:54 AM
it's just not as consistently good as the first one. Sophmore Blues.
It's karma for the Lost haters last year . . . by Despacio	Nov 5th, 2007 06:47:58 AM
I remember all the crap Heroes fanboys gave Lost fans last year in the Lost talkbacks for being slow and taking forever to reveal anything while Heroes was quick and revealing every week. Lost fans of course said wait and see how well Heroes is doing in season 3. Well, what do you know, Heroes is just as lethargic as Lost was in the first half of season 3. And it's only the first quarter of season 2!
I hope Adam=West by Drath	Nov 5th, 2007 06:51:57 AM
And his power isn't really flying but somehow he borrowed the power from Peter. Or maybe he's Peter and Nathan's hybrid clone....eww, about kissing Claire though. But at least he'd be more interesting. If this season ends this Fall the show has delivered one of the worst second seasons I could have imagined. Lame lame lame! The only show to be this frustrating in a second season for me was probably Alias--but that at least gave us a cool Lena Olin and came off of a good finale which Heroes did not.
lost by oafius	Nov 5th, 2007 07:07:53 AM
yeah but season 3 of lost, had an awesome pay off at the end, and it made it worthwhile sticking it out for the slower times. which i think we need to do now for heroes. that said i still think they know what they're doing with lost, whilst heroes is clearly been made up as there going along. not that ive got a problem with that as such, it just means you can't look to deep into, cause its got contradictions left right and center. not a problem as long as its still entertaining i guess!
T.B.'er Pennsy had this scoop days ago. by Pound Sand	Nov 5th, 2007 07:24:06 AM
Irony: someday, this alt ending will be featured as a DVD extra, and the writers still won't get any residuals from it.
by Omar B	Nov 5th, 2007 07:27:49 AM
After this band-aid season ending episode in December it's gonna completely screw all the episodes they had written and in the can that were to come after. Talk about screwing yourself.
if the strike lasts long enough by palewook	Nov 5th, 2007 07:54:04 AM
i might actually have to give heroes season 2 repeats a look
Another irony, Pound Sand is... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:10:52 AM
The show will go bye-bye for this season on 12/3 and the next 5 episodes will be kickass, and the next four are GUARANTEED to have Kristen Bell in them. No coincidence there. :)
Agreed, Node32774 by sapno_krei	Nov 5th, 2007 08:14:13 AM
The worst I can say about the first 6 episodes of LOST S3 was that they were a frustrating, sometimes maddening tease. Uninteresting and unfocused they were not.
I hope the producers use the strike to bring in scab writers by SpyGuy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:17:39 AM
Because until last week, they definitely needed to clean house and start again. And we have to wait until the 19th before Hiro starts his manhunt for his father's killer? Crap. Oh, and the first 6 episodes of LOST Season 3 were in no way "more compelling and entertaining television than the best HEROES has had to offer this season or last." Yes, the LOST team did a great 180 and turned things around brilliantly for Season 3, but be honest and don't act like those first six episodes weren't anything less than craptacular.
Dear Mr. Kring: by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:27:11 AM
Call me (or email me). I don't belong to the WGA, but I have many good ideas and I don't have any plans in the future to join the industry, so I'll gladly write for you the rest of the season. Feel free to review my talkback history to show the extent with which I've followed Heroes (and other shows like BSG) and all the theories/ideas I've posited regarding the show. Sincerely, ChrTh PS: I invented WikiWoman and gave Ando the power of !AWESOME!
Node32774: Journeyman is doomed by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:28:40 AM
Ratings aren't any better than the other shows placed after Heroes last season, and it's getting no buzz. Even without the writer's strike, I doubt it would survive past midseason.
Vic G is HILARIOUS by askholia	Nov 5th, 2007 08:40:42 AM
Damn, that was so funny where you took our love/hate of the show and the purpose of the talkback, you know, to talk about the show and threw it in our faces. Wow, seriously, now that the strike is here, you could go be a scab writer somewhere with that scathing, rapier style wit. Idiot.
Look, I want this show to get good by askholia	Nov 5th, 2007 08:41:50 AM
I really do. But, lets be honest. It just isnt. I want anyone to give me 3 compelling things about this season so far. Do not give me faith in the show or any of that crap. I want actual characters or plot points! Anyone?
Seems the Heroes writers been on strike for awhile! by captboulder	Nov 5th, 2007 08:43:27 AM
They must've been on strike during the writeup of that horribly, overhype, lackluster, piss poor season finale! It amounted to the worse produced, poorly executed conslusion to any season finale that I've ever seen in my life! And season two just took the cue from there and kept the ball rolling! Yup, WGA should be glad because Heroes writers have been picketing for quite awhile now! Fans and non-fans saw the evidence but didn't realize it!
okay for one: by oafius	Nov 5th, 2007 08:51:19 AM
whats interesting about peter this series, is that despite the whole memory loss trick being a tiresome plot point, it could prove quite interesting to a character that is technically a walking super weapon, not to mention potentially a nuclear bomb. hes like jason bourne with an x-factor, and i think thats compelling. despite the fact that havent gone into the back story of the previous generation of heroes as i would have liked, the minuteman style photo of them all together really does interest me, i want to know more, and i do think we'll get there. after all, there are other people in that photo that haven't even been mentioned yet. Nathan is half melted two facey alter ego, im interested in where they're going with that aswell. is that his inner bad guy, or is that his guilt for what happened with peter. i agree, there not exactly plot points that have come to fruition yet, but i still think there worthy of 'keeping the faith', and not just turning on the show after so few episodes into the series. i dunno, im not trying to convince you otherwise, obviously your entitled to your opinion, just trying to explain why i still think the shows gonna deliver.
yah nightmare man! by INWOsuxRED	Nov 5th, 2007 09:02:42 AM
I can't say I'm excited about Matt getting the same powers as his dad, but I am looking forward to the fight with his daddy.
I'll vouch for chrth and !Awesome!(tm), by biggles2_22	Nov 5th, 2007 09:17:47 AM
but I invented the Sorkin-Effect(tm).
I sincerely hope by veritasses	Nov 5th, 2007 09:25:39 AM
that things start to improve starting tonight. I know it's unlikely since you can't suddenly improve writing technique and get better dialog or get rid of adding awkward/silly/illogical setups or anything but at the very least maybe we'll get a ton of awesome geekiness. I would really hate to see a superhero show on prime time get canceled. Maybe the best bet would to let Season 2 end in Dec. and then have NBC hire some new writers to reboot the series (after the strike ends of course).
capt, lol. by palewook	Nov 5th, 2007 09:30:46 AM
too true. Latino Twins powers activate, "shape of a poorly constructed premise. shape of eye candy..."
Hiro's lost power... by biggles2_22	Nov 5th, 2007 09:36:23 AM
...the ability to pinch a shite mid-loaf.
Peter's Vision by sambrook	Nov 5th, 2007 09:39:37 AM
Sorry if this was mentioned in last week's talkback - I missed it and don't want to wade through all the Lost v. Heroes talk, or the "I'm done with this show" statements from people who'll post again this week - but isn't is possible that Peter's vision of the future is just the Nightmare Man messing with his head? Just sounds a bit odd, the description of "Peter travels to Primatech Paper in Texas with his new friend to destroy the virus, which will kill 93 percent of the world's population in the future -- or so he believes."
Apologize if this has been asked before, but... by SickPuppy	Nov 5th, 2007 09:40:20 AM
has Peter ever met Jessiki, and if so, what the frak is her power and how would it manifest in him? Is he this Adam from the note they mentioned in an upcoming episode?
There's a storm coming.... by Merlox	Nov 5th, 2007 09:41:22 AM
is the most fucking CLICHE thing that Suresh could have said and, to me, really shows how mediocre the writing is on this over-hyped-full-of-potential-y et-never -connects show. And again....I'll be watching hoping it does. You have me there Heroes.
Change this shows title to 'Unwatchable' by rsswope	Nov 5th, 2007 09:58:32 AM
After K-Town, Illegal Immigrant mutants who go nowhere, and redneck border guards who jump on cars this show has gotten LAME. Last year was like reading a Marvel graphic novel, this year it is like reading a 1950's DC comic. When will they have animals with super powers show up?
Hiro's personal discovery by Dradis Contact	Nov 5th, 2007 10:03:46 AM
He's his own grandfather.
Watching the New Twin Peaks DVD Boxed Set by Aquatarkusman	Nov 5th, 2007 10:04:36 AM
Will any of the ensemble mysterio-dramas out these days ever compare to at least the first season?
Why did the stike start for Heroes so early? by Billyeveryteen	Nov 5th, 2007 10:13:05 AM
Holy crap, has this show gone down the shitter.
Only a flying chipmunk can save Heroes now! by captboulder	Nov 5th, 2007 10:13:59 AM
And Krige will never admit to watching Rocky and Bullwinkle as well! "Latino Twins powers activate, "shape of a poorly constructed premise". Good one, Palewook! Hiro lost power is the ability to pinch a shite mid-loaf. Pfffssst! LOL
Oops, that flying squirrel, not chipmunk! by captboulder	Nov 5th, 2007 10:15:55 AM
Yup.
Dradis: Hiro Self-Grandfatherization by biggles2_22	Nov 5th, 2007 10:20:37 AM
Good news, everyone! That little concept has been done (hilariously) by Futurama. Frye is his own grandfather.
Whattaya wanna bet... by Kid Z	Nov 5th, 2007 10:21:30 AM
...because of the strike one of the networks is gonna go to al "All Reality Show All the Time" format... and keep it that way after the strike ends becoming the "All Reality Network"? My guess is NBC because all their shows are tanking abysmally this season.
Node... by Mezzanine	Nov 5th, 2007 10:34:26 AM
Fuck yeah. I never understood the hate for the first six episodes of S3 of Lost. I thought the last episode and the cliffhanger were kind of weak, but whatever. Way to break it down though. And to answer your question: "Ummm... nothing?"
by Omar B	Nov 5th, 2007 10:40:14 AM
Lets hope they move Monday Night Football back to network TV.
biggles2_22 by ironic_name	Nov 5th, 2007 10:45:44 AM
its called doing the nasty in the past-y.
Oh, and Heroes v. Lost purveyors by biggles2_22	Nov 5th, 2007 10:52:12 AM
Please, lick balls. They're both great shows with decidedly different subject matters. I mean, if you were to compare Heroes and 4400, then I can understand, but this Lost v. Heroes crap is pointless. How about a Grey's Anatomy v. Desperate Housewives? How about Happy Days v. MAS*H? You get my point. Heroes will be up & down on it's own fan-o-meter and so will LOST. THAT is worthy of discussion. But they're both great shows. (Or at least aspire to the greatness that is lacking in many other offerings.)
I endorse past-nastification... by Billyeveryteen	Nov 5th, 2007 10:59:40 AM
But the Space Pope doesn't.
My apologies to Node... by SpyGuy	Nov 5th, 2007 11:00:46 AM
...because when I watched those episodes, I remember all the AICN talkbacks where everyone bitched about the Losties being split up, the storyline not advancing anywhere, Nikki and Paolo being two annoying characters that needed to be killed off...You know, the exact same shit people are currently ripping on HEROES for doing. To your credit, though, HEROES at least doesn't have Claire slipping in and out and in and out of a cage and Peter trying to figure out how to get biscuits out of his cage's food dispenser.
Aquatarkusman (concerning Twin Peaks box...) by MisterE	Nov 5th, 2007 11:06:53 AM
Aquatarkusman, NO, nothing will ever compare to Twin Peaks. With that said, can you please check something for me on your Twin Peaks DVD set? I bought a set from Amazon, and I am having problems with discs 4 and 6. On those two discs, I can only play episodes using the "play all" button on the main menu. The "Episodes" menu on those two discs is messed up on my set. I can choose "Episodes" from the main menu and select an episode from the submenu, but the next menu (the one where you choose to play the individual episode with/without Log Lady intro) has no buttons. Can you check your set to see if you have the same problem? I'm gonna send mine back, but need to decide if I'm going to ask for a refund or a replacement.
A strike ending Heroes early is a god-send! by anchorite	Nov 5th, 2007 11:24:57 AM
Perhaps the writers will actually give a damn about the show again once they come back from their little strike with their demands answered. One can only hope.
It's like my pappy used to tell me by kelli_picklers_cooter	Nov 5th, 2007 11:29:00 AM
Gettin a blowjob from yer cousin can get kinda borin after a while. But the first time she slips her finger up yer ass, well, love it or hate it, it certainly gets yer attention. Heroes needs to stop slurpin and stick a finger up Americas ass, time to wake us up a bit.
Speaking of lab stools... by ookla the mok	Nov 5th, 2007 11:57:48 AM
This whole season has been one big lab stool! Ugh.
Hiro is his own grandfather by Purgatori	Nov 5th, 2007 12:17:58 PM
I said that like a million years ago. Quick, I'll be a scab! Hire me to write this predictable shitty season!
MisterE by Aquatarkusman	Nov 5th, 2007 12:28:40 PM
That is weird; I guess I haven't noticed anything because I've been using the "play all with log lady introductions." I'll see what's up later on this evening if I remember.
Node32774 by biggles2_22	Nov 5th, 2007 12:28:44 PM
Yeah, I don't think so. There's only so much geekdom to fight over.
Shia LaBeouf arrested, starring Shia LaBeouf as Shia LaBeouf by Cletus Van Damme	Nov 5th, 2007 12:35:53 PM
He loves him some Walgreen's!
Riddle me this bitchs, Peter/DL/Sylar by EvilWizardGlick	Nov 5th, 2007 12:46:49 PM
Just how did Peter manage to obtain DL's power? He wasn't that close to him. Do they meet again? Peter must have Sylars power to look into a brain and understand where/how the power manifests. If Peter gains x-ray vision he would not need to pop tops just squint at brains. Peter is fucking Kekashi the copy ninja from Naruto. He needs a Maito Gai to compliment him. Finally Peter has to have every single power of people he has passed in the street. yep total fucking strangers with abilities are absorbed by Keka...Peter.
If Kensei is immortal so is Claire. by EvilWizardGlick	Nov 5th, 2007 12:48:01 PM
Yep has to be. But the real question is Kensei related to Claire? And did West kill Hiro's father?
West Adam Munroe by EvilWizardGlick	Nov 5th, 2007 12:48:57 PM
Is West Adam Munroe or Magneto? He is fairly hyped on the more powerful we are different thing.
HEROES the MOVIE!!!!! by moviemo	Nov 5th, 2007 01:16:51 PM
Now wouldn't THAT be a more satisfying medium for the saga than prime time tv? At least that way there'd (hopefully) be a more dynamic plot. I agree with the lot of you, that at best Heroes is full of potential yet rarely connects, but when when it does its great. BRING ON THE HEROES MOVIE AND CALL IT A JOB WELL DONE!!!
SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY by moviemo	Nov 5th, 2007 01:17:09 PM

Questions about how Peter can have someone's ability he's barely by SimpleSandwiches	Nov 5th, 2007 01:27:18 PM
...should be followed by an open-palmed slap to the genital and the following declaration: "Oh duh...the title of Heroes 2.1 was 'FOUR MONTHS LATER'!" Patience, people (though I know it's running thin...).
EvilWizardGlick: Yes, Claire is related to Kensei by Executor	Nov 5th, 2007 01:51:59 PM
She is his granddaughter. Kensei is Peter and Nathan's dad. Check the photo of the 12, among other things.
Why are Assassins' Creed and Heroes related by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 02:11:48 PM
Because Kristen Bell is in both of them (AC is out tomorrow for the 360, next week for PS3). From the Ubisoft press release: "Today Ubisoft announces that Hollywood actress Kristen Bell will appear in Ubisoft's highly anticipated video game, Assassin's Creed. She will play a key character in (the game), whose mysterious role is an important part of the game's intricate storyline. “It was crucial to find an actress who could convey the emotional range and talent needed to play this key character in the Assassin's universe,“ said Jade Raymond, producer for Assassin's Creed. “Kristen is a remarkable actress who was able to bring her character to life in a dynamic way that I don't think anyone else could have done properly. Her professionalism and dynamic personality were a perfect fit for this project." "I was a big video gamer growing up, so working on Assassin's Creed is my chance to be a part of video game history,“said Bell. “It's something completely different than what I've done before, so it's cool I get to branch out and try another entertainment medium. I was attracted to this project because of the intelligent storyline and the character I play. Plus I admire the artistry of the graphics of video games. I look forward to seeing what my character will look like and I can't wait to play the game and see if I can beat it!" Way cool. Wonder if she's going to be part of the Limited Edition(s) being interviewed as well.
Star Trek TNG deja vu by nnnuts	Nov 5th, 2007 02:20:23 PM
Next Generation's second season was also short and affected by the last writers' strike in '88. It had one or two standouts, but generally thought of as its weakest season (including basically ending in a clip show). I hope Heroes is having the same sophomore slump and seasons 3-4 will be some legendary TV.
Dear Mr. Kring: by ororo_munroe	Nov 5th, 2007 02:20:29 PM
You really should hire chrth. He would be an asset to the show. Especially, if he will kill the Nikkessica story line! Biggles - I agree. Both Lost and Heroes are better than most of the crap on television. Comparing them is silly. Vanilla or chocolate? Phht, I want both! Adam Munroe has to be Kensei, because it makes perfect sense. If it is West... well that one is coming from left field. I do wonder if West and Elle are Kensie's children in this timeline though. I know Elle has to be... EvilWizardGlick - I actually made that connection over the summer and compared them both (Claire/Kensei) to Wolverine and was torn apart for it. All three seem to have the same power to me. I really hope we have more of Matt's dad tonight, and Sylar of course. :D
DAMN YOU WONKA! by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 02:22:01 PM
;)
Poor Wonka by ororo_munroe	Nov 5th, 2007 02:36:04 PM
He rarely ever comes here anymore, and every week Pennsy damns him. Now how would you feel if Wonka were damned to hell all because of you Pennsy? Hmmm? Well, I'll just save him a seat next to the one they have reserved for me.
OK... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 02:52:16 PM
looks at shoes Sorry, Wonka. Do come back!
Wonka was damned by ororo_munroe	Nov 5th, 2007 03:16:03 PM
for sharing a link to a fantabulous spoiler, right? We all loved and hated it. Hence the damning. I don't feel old, and I was here last year too. bear - I don't know. I really hope he doesn't come back or I may lose my lady like demeanor again. I blame it all on this frickin' cold.. never my hot Irish blood Really hope this writers strike doesn't bring on more reality TV. hate reality TV I was really looking forward to "Origins" - a spin on Heroes world from different writers/directors. :(
oh and I second by ororo_munroe	Nov 5th, 2007 03:22:13 PM
bear as chrth's assistant as long as Pennsy can be Bell's personal assistant and I can be ZQ's personal assistant.
RE: HEROES the MOVIE!!!!! by PVIII	Nov 5th, 2007 03:24:43 PM
would be called X-men.
Vanilla AND chocolate... by Kid Z	Nov 5th, 2007 03:29:47 PM
... A Black and White Cookie! Deliciousness personified... racial harmony in cookie form.
Not even half the season,... by Mixiboi	Nov 5th, 2007 04:02:12 PM
and the season is doomed...huh... Shame we will never know if this season will get better thanks to the strike...
i'll be hayden's oil-boy by ironic_name	Nov 5th, 2007 04:08:36 PM

Xiphos by ororo_munroe	Nov 5th, 2007 04:23:49 PM
1. the wonder twins story is just about to get interesting! Don't nix it yet. Why do you ask?
I credit Herc/Coaxial to remind me to watch now... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 5th, 2007 04:24:32 PM
That's how little enthusiasm I have for Heroes. Really stunning, because last season I was championing the show in its freshman year here on the TBs.
I like Journeyman better by skydemon	Nov 5th, 2007 04:56:31 PM
Journeyman deserves more respect dammit!
Claires toe =miniClaire by EvilWizardGlick	Nov 5th, 2007 05:16:44 PM
I hope Claires toe grows into a miniClaire which she then has to hide. And recall last season when Claire cut herself the blood was sucked back into her body. We didn't see it yet this season. Maybe they changed her power.
I don't watch the show, but... by DarthCorleone	Nov 5th, 2007 05:52:57 PM
...an alternate ending? Why? Why not just pick up the story where it leaves off when the strike is over?
Xiphos by ororo_munroe	Nov 5th, 2007 06:05:16 PM
I agree Stripper Hulk must die. With Sylar in the Wonder Twins storyline I imagine things are going to get incredibly interesting. -- I was not raised in the South, but I have lived there... OK, I live there now. No stalking me!looks out window
WOOT, ororo....and a strike question... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 06:13:46 PM
What about actors who appear at sci-fi/comic book/genre conventions from here on out? Since the Screen Actors Guild has mandated (don't know how they can enforce it) that actors are on the picket line 20 hours a week, this could throw a real monkeywrench into folks who pay money to see actors like Hayden and KB who may wind up getting pulled from these events to walk a fucking picket line.
The more I think of it, they should have capped Sylar by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 06:15:42 PM
in the finale last season. So he survived; what's his purpose this time? To conquer all again? Been there, done that.
Remember, for the rest of sweeps; Heroes runs :01 OT by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 06:18:55 PM
As in 10:01PM, that is; so consider yourselves sufficiently heads-upped. And I believe in that extra minute tonight there will be an ElleBell sighting in the preview for 4 Months Ago.
jessiki and suresh = by ironic_name	Nov 5th, 2007 06:44:01 PM
official wrong turn.
re clair's powers by ironic_name	Nov 5th, 2007 06:45:54 PM
her hair also didn't burn off when she got near the nuclear hillbilly.
clair is claire's toe clone by ironic_name	Nov 5th, 2007 06:46:32 PM

and by ironic_name	Nov 5th, 2007 06:49:47 PM
i've been on the net for twelve hours straight, spelling errors are invitable.
SEASON 1 question... by Sudynim	Nov 5th, 2007 07:00:10 PM
So...they never really explained, I don't think but did Sylar ever get Google Girl/Wiki-Woman's power? It didn't even explain if she lost her life to Sylar later on or to the blood clot.
DarthCorleone by Mixiboi	Nov 5th, 2007 07:04:49 PM
The alternate ending, from what I understand, is to solidify the "Generation"s storyline that would have lead into January's new story arc. The old ending left it hanging that would of been resolved in oh two weeks, not maybe till Fall 2008, And we know how people love waiting around big gaps for something(See last year with Lost and Heroes and other shows too a month hiatus)
Do even the writers know where this show's going? by Sudynim	Nov 5th, 2007 07:08:54 PM
One of the most disappointing things I've heard on a TV series DVD commentary is that the writers were making it up as they go along. Which makes me wonder if the Heroes writers know what they're doing. Cause I can forgive the slow pacing right now, if there's going to be a pay-off later on. Otherwise, I'll just continue to watch and whine. =^(
Now thats a twist by Gearfree	Nov 5th, 2007 07:09:35 PM
Better make sure you've been reading the comic, cause thats the only way you'll see this one coming. Too bad this seasons gonna get cut short. Maybe they can use the comic? Or is it too written by the main writers?
Kring Quit by Prior Walter	Nov 5th, 2007 07:34:34 PM
"On another front, I have been advised by a source on “Heroes” that Tim Kring has quit the series. Apparently the network was making him remove storylines that could not be wrapped up in the existing episodes that are now being finished. This caused wholesale rewrites of three episodes over the past week and weekend."
twin peaks season 2 by Wyndam Earle	Nov 5th, 2007 07:36:13 PM
to be fair, though there are good moments in the begining episodes of twin peaks season 2,the second season doesn't really get going until they introduce the nastiest looney since killer bob, ME, Wyndom Earle! after that, the rest of the season kicks much ass. my only gripe is that they solved the mystery of laura palmer's death a little too early into the season. doesn't really matter though, as there are too many good surprises to mention and everything pays off in the end and then some. too bad there was not a third season, as there was a great cliff-hanger-ending to the second. i wonder if the show would have gone on to greater success if it had been sold to Fox and followed or had been a lead in to the X-files...hmmmmm..interesting? discuss!
Sudynim: According to the online graphic novel by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 07:47:21 PM
Sylar got WikiWoman's power
Thanks for the support guys by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 07:49:25 PM
I got 9 weeks left on leave, and I work cheap-ish. Kring, call me baby, we'll do lunch. I should be live-chatting tonight's ep, we'll see if the missus yells at me to stop using the laptop.
RE : Prior Walter by Real Deal	Nov 5th, 2007 07:49:57 PM
Well I'll believe it when I see it posted elsewhere. You hear lots of things on this talkback.
And here's what I bring to the table by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 07:52:34 PM
I came up with a new Hero name for Niki/Jessica: Nausicaa. You see that? I melded Niki and Jessica with Nausea. That's talent.
What bugged me about Season 2 TP ... (and Chuck) by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 07:55:06 PM
was abandoning the chess match. It always came off as the writers getting bored with it. They should've kept it going. Even watching the last few moments of tonight's episode of Chuck with the volume muted, I can still tell Reaper is a better show. What I can't understand is: if they wanted Seth Green on the show, why not just hire Seth Green? What's with the bearded clone?
New name for Bob as well ... by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 07:57:47 PM
Instead of calling him My Voice Is My Passport, I'll be calling him Jankis.
In the tradition of 'enjoy this while you can', by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:00:01 PM
Here we go...
'Previously on Heroes' by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:00:30 PM
In feudal Japanese!?~!?!
Hiro with the 'Previously on'! by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:00:38 PM

Nausicaa by ororo_munroe	Nov 5th, 2007 08:01:05 PM
is made of win chrth! OK, I am not peeking any more, because I heard this episode will rock my socks off and I don't want to spoil it.
A lot happened previously ... that bodes well by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:01:32 PM

So Nausicaa breaks Suresh's nose, I'm guessing? by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:04:02 PM
But he locks her in a closet? Noah, No! Isaac is dead! Those paintings are worth thousands!
BTW, this "Green NBC" is the biggest shlock ever by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:06:26 PM
I mean seriously, you want to save electricity? GO OFF THE AIR FOR A WEEK. Tinting your logo green ain't going to save the planet.
Sequel: R U In? Nope, I'm on Strike by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:07:47 PM

He would have got a small fortune on Ebay,.. by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:08:38 PM
Dumn HRG Guy...
It's a good thing they don't keep any family pictures by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:10:55 PM
in the kitchen.
Doh! by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:11:59 PM

woot by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:13:45 PM
SLAP!
That's a painting shot by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:15:52 PM

Damn, Hiro's girlfriend... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:16:01 PM
Sweet.
Hiro's girlfriend is the ancestor of Ando by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:17:01 PM
She has the !AWESOME!(TM) Power as well! Hiro is Ando's Grandfather!
So far this is better by askholia	Nov 5th, 2007 08:18:00 PM
So far, this is better. I am still not holding my breath though.
Hiro's girlfriend by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:19:34 PM
Now that's an interesting idea, but wouldn't it mean that Ando has a real power? Don't all children of heroes have hero powers?
March 2007 by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:20:03 PM
So ... 4 months later is from November to ... March. So this is a compressed timeframe, then.
Positive by NudeandAroused	Nov 5th, 2007 08:21:58 PM
Nikki wears a thong and looks hot.
Don't trust her, Mohinder... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:22:18 PM

DL is the Nightmare Man by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:22:44 PM
Well of course he is, he's black (you see what I did there?)
damn, my tv is broke by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:25:02 PM
Green stuff keeps flashing across the screen.
Wait, Adam is a bad guy?!? OH SHIT by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:25:15 PM
I think we found out who Elle's dad is.
"Mom." by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:26:57 PM
The first step on the road back...
I'm lost by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:27:04 PM
Who the heck is Adam? Have we seen him?
Damn Me!! by BadMrWonka	Nov 5th, 2007 08:27:15 PM
I love being damned by all of you, it makes me smile every time. as for my absence, it's 50% that I am inordinately busy all the time here, 40% that the show isn't exciting me as much, 5% that I am on the west coast and so I fear spoilers, 4% that I can't post to AICN from work very easily, and 1% Frank Stallone. 'm looking forward to tonight, though...2 1/2 hours and counting. time to make some pasta and open a bottle of red wine. it's Heroes Monday! oh, and my bowling team is SO undefeated... http://tinyurl .com/2zje6e (I'm the one with all the tattoos, obviously...) now I got olives and red peppers as a definite for my pasta, what else should I throw in there?
Comment from my wife by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 08:28:03 PM
Her: "Didn't Peter whine about not being able to control his power last season?" Me: "Yeah, but he doesn't remember he whined last season."
Bowling by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:30:10 PM
Lucky Roy Munson.
problem by NudeandAroused	Nov 5th, 2007 08:30:56 PM
Wasn't Matt is some trap the last time we saw him?
West by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:31:55 PM
Is a horrible actor.
Milo (Lippy) Vermicelli by Trik_Ster	Nov 5th, 2007 08:32:36 PM
was a terrible choice boy's a terrible actor Kinda admire his work ethic though He obviously spent most of the off season getting buff Could have been worse though, they could have gone with Skeet(No Neck) Urkel
Wow! by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:35:19 PM
Sweaty Kruger strikes again...
Maury by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:35:46 PM
is great virren.
oh my gawd by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:36:30 PM
a real sword fight, finally!
"You will suffer." by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:38:00 PM
And nope for Beowulf.
kensei by majortom25	Nov 5th, 2007 08:39:12 PM
wow so kensei is prob adam.( i might be wrong but after that scene it could be)
Best episode of season 2 by far. by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:39:16 PM
Now let's crank it up in the last 20 minutes, shall we?
so it's all hiro's fault by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 08:42:12 PM
So the virus kills everybody in the world, and Adam/Kensei let loose the virus because he's pissed that Hiro kissed his girlfriend. It's all Hiro's fault.
SHIT! by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:43:43 PM
Jeebus...
WAR PARKMAN JR.! by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:45:53 PM
!!
Best Episode this season by gandalftheblack	Nov 5th, 2007 08:47:46 PM
FINALLY!!
Sweat Kruger by Andremus	Nov 5th, 2007 08:48:15 PM
Don't know if you originated it, Pennsy, but it's genius.
hmm by majortom25	Nov 5th, 2007 08:48:19 PM
so where does syler and the brother and sis fit into all of this?
What's this about Tim Kring sacked from the show? by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:49:27 PM
Because he refused to reshoot the 12/3 episode? Details? URL?
Nope, somebody beat me to it on TV w/o Pity by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:51:37 PM

"Kensei and the Dragon." by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:51:59 PM
Nice season 1 callback there.
Holy frakkin' shit... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 08:57:40 PM
Mohinder's going to have to cap HRG?
Aha!!!!! by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 09:00:12 PM
Takezo lives!!!!!!
HOOOOOOOOOO BABY. by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 09:00:55 PM
All is forgiven, Heroes.
It's not like... by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 09:01:33 PM
we all didn't see that coming.
argh by majortom25	Nov 5th, 2007 09:02:01 PM
So adam is takezo, why must they make the story more complicated now. There is no way this can be all cleaned up good if the strike continues.
A REALLY GOOD EPISODE! by tile_mcgillus	Nov 5th, 2007 09:05:57 PM
Alliances turned. People blew the fuck up! Nikki doesn't have any powers anymore. Billions of people died. People used their powers in cool ways...Parkman! Peter left his girl in the apocalyptic future! Things happened finally! YIPPEE!
You guys realize... by jerseycajun	Nov 5th, 2007 09:09:20 PM
that Takezo/Adam has lived long enough to have lineage to all the heroes, right? Or am I crazy? And this also explains why Takezo's emblem (Godsend symbol) has been so prevalent in all the ongoing events.
It's so funny how by DickGrayson007	Nov 5th, 2007 09:11:05 PM
everyone was burying the show and now it's great again. Patience is a virtue. Also, I called it Kensei(Adam) is an immortal or some such thing. Good job Heroes!
EAT IT HATERS!!!!! by Dreadlock Holmes	Nov 5th, 2007 09:12:14 PM
I TOLD YOU!!! ITOLD YOU FUCKS TO BE PATIENT AND THIS SHOW WOULD OWN!!! NOW WE COOKING WITH GAS BABY!!!
Why are you all surprised? by jdl82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:14:30 PM
I myself first suspected Hiro or having been Kensei when we first learned about him in season one. And I'd first suspected the original Kensei of having been the Hero-killer the moment that we learned that he couldn't die; how else would the murderer of Hiro's father have survived the fall himself? Did nobody else see that coming lol? The only thing tonight that surprised me was Peter's leaving his girlfriend in the future. Correct me if I'm mistaken (and I might very well be), but that's never been done before.
Oh yeah... by jdl82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:17:18 PM
Kuudos to whoever first realized that this season's villain was created by none other than Hiro Nakamura himself. I wonder when Hiro will learn the awful truth about that? But more interestingly, will Hiro go back in time to stop his father's murder (time travlers rarely do, don't they?)?
hahahahahahahahahahahoollllyyyyf uckingshittt by Burgundy82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:18:05 PM
NOW THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN MOTHERFUCKING WAITING FOR!!! Look, I'm not going to sit here and say I told you so, haters, because you were right. I was a SLOW-ass motherfucking build. But look now, at what a build it was. After last week's B+ ep, I knew this was going to be out of the park. Teaser for next week has me salivating, JUST LIKE LAST SEASON, BABY!! So bittersweet though, because of the strike.
jdl82 by sitchin	Nov 5th, 2007 09:18:12 PM
We all saw it coming, we've been talking about Kensei still being alive for weeks. He was even in that group photo a few eps back. You're right about leaving somebody in the future, that was a new twist. Guess he'll have to go back to get her. Now, if we could just lose West somehow.
My first post of the season. by fedaykin	Nov 5th, 2007 09:19:34 PM
I've been holding out, waiting for something excellent. I knew they had to be building towards something huge, as there were waaaaay too many loose ends floating around, and wish the threads had come together an episode or two earlier...but damn. Tonight was excellent. Although Parkman yelling at Daddy in order to defeat him was kind of weak, but I guess it'd be kinda hard to show that sort of power shift by way of a real-life staring contest. Anyways, leaving McForehead in the future was probably the most creative way of dropping an insignificant character that I've seen in awhile. Big kudos for the "oops" on that one. And judging by next week's preview, we're in for some FX goodies. Definitely makes me glad I've watched faithfully through the slow start.
Outstanding! by D_T	Nov 5th, 2007 09:20:10 PM
Wow, some excellent comic books moments, great revelations, finally Hiro in an interesting bit (even Jikki was good). Adam Monroe/Munroe? Weather control? Storm = Ororo Munroe. Hmmm...
Where We At by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 09:20:18 PM
1) West is upset because obviously Claire made him stalk her by pretending not to be interested. Damn women! 2) HRG is even more officially awesome now as the company is good and he doesn't even realize it! 3) How does one recover a girlfriend popped into an apocalpytic future if you change time? 4) Murray the K was a great villain, I hope he comes back at some point. Kudos Parkman. 5) So obviously Adam/Kensei killed Sulu, since he could get up and walk away. Dang, I was kinda hoping it was Nathan under control. That was one long setup, but I really like where we're at right now. Next several episodes should smoke. PS: Any episode with Mr. Muggles is a good episode.
"Noah, no!" by jdl82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:20:52 PM
"Noah, No! Isaac is dead! Those paintings are worth thousands!" ROFL
Hells yes! by fishpillow	Nov 5th, 2007 09:22:40 PM
Haven't been posting since i was willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt, and all the negativity was bringing me down, but this rocked my frackin cock! But it is truly tipical that as soon as the show picks up, it gets screwed...sigh
I was thinking about S1... by D_T	Nov 5th, 2007 09:22:52 PM
... and it seems like it was about the same point that things started picking up! Seems like they need about a 6 EP running start, then things churn along really well. The preview from next week looked incredible - this is the show I remember :^)
"I think we found out who Elle's dad is." by jdl82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:24:33 PM
After a couple centuries, Adam probably has lots and lots and lots of kids. For all we know, Adam made good on his threat of marrying Hiro's girlfriend after he pulled himself together. Oh, I do have to admit one thing: for a while, I'd sort of also suspected Hiro's dad of having been the original Kensei. But oh well.
My biggest question so far... by jerseycajun	Nov 5th, 2007 09:24:41 PM
If Adam and Linderman, and Parkman's dad were all working together, and it was their plan to incinerate NYC last season, and Angela was part of that plan, why is he going after Angela this season? I understand why he went after Hero's dad and the bald guy, 'cause they're clearly defectors from the cause, but why Angela? I'm still a little unclear about who was part of which faction within the organization?
So, Is The New Catchphrase... by eman_1293	Nov 5th, 2007 09:25:00 PM
'Save Niki, Save the World!', 'Save Niki, Stop the Incurable Strain!', 'Find Claire, Save Niki!', or 'Piss Claire Off, HRG is SCREWED!'? Definitely the best episode so far. Even better than some of last season's. DAMN YOU WRITERS' STRIKE!
RE: Comment from my wife by fishpillow	Nov 5th, 2007 09:26:56 PM
Damn, it took me a good while to stop laughing at that! Too funny!
Jerseycajun by Dreadlock Holmes	Nov 5th, 2007 09:27:28 PM
Maybe because Mama Petrelli failed to make Nathan end the world?
jdl82 and jerseycajun by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 09:27:35 PM
jdl82: I was wrong, Bob/Jankis is Elle's father based on the promo, not Kensei. jerseycajun: The incineration of NYC wasn't a plan by Linderman's group. It was something they were made aware of and were going to take advantage of. I'm guessing Kensei was already 'in custody' long before that.
Side note: Can you imagine... by Burgundy82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:27:50 PM
how goddamn boring it must have been for Kensei to wait around for centuries just so everyone on this show could be born?? Kinda like when you spend the night at a friend's house and you wake up like 2 hours before they do so you're not sure what the fuck to do with yourself...
jdl82 by jerseycajun	Nov 5th, 2007 09:28:48 PM
I think Adam is the common ancestor to all the heroes. I mean, his name pretty much says it all. He is 'patient' zero for the hero gene.
HEY FUCKING MULE BLOWING PURSUED BY COCK by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 09:29:17 PM
BITE ME! THIS SHOW WAS MEDIOCRE AT BEST! WHAT RIDICULOUS WRITING REQUIRES THAT KAITLIN AND PETER REDCAP THE LAST THREE EPISODES DURING THEIR WALKS THROUGH THE STREETS OF NEW YORK! BLOW ME! LAST WEEK, IT'S ALL, OH, LEAVE US ALONE, ECL. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, JUST DON'T POST. THEN I DON'T POST AND SUDDENLY IT'S 'WHERE'S ELVIS?!??!" WELL, HERE I AM, YOU GRANDPA PORN LOVING MULE FUCKER! THIS. SH OW. SUCKED. THIS. EPISODE. W AS. AN. IMPROVEMENT. ON. LAST. WEEK. BUT. THAT. < br>HAS. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. THE. REHASHED. FUCKI NG. PLOTS. AND. STALE. FUCKING. WRITING. AND. HOW. ALL. THE. CHARACTERS . SEEM. TO. HAVE. FORGOTTEN. ALL. OF. LAST. YEAR. AND. HOW. THE. FIRST. SIX. EPISODES. SUCKED. ONE. PRETTY. GOOD. EPISODE. DOES. NOT. CHANGE. THE. FACT. THAT. THE. ENTIRE. FIRST. SIX. FUCKING. EPISODES. SUCKED. LIKE. YOU. WHEN. THE. NAVY. COMES. TO. HARBOR. COMPRENDE, YOU INBRED COCK-MAGGOT?
ALSO... by Dreadlock Holmes	Nov 5th, 2007 09:29:36 PM
I TOLD YOU FUCKS!!!I NEVER GAVE UP ON THIS SHOW!!! Now watch everyone start jumping back on the bandwagon you turncoat,disloyal fucks!!
Don't be so quick to think ElleBell is Bob's daughter... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 09:32:35 PM
It could be Adam, since he's lasted these three hundred + years.
tonight showed me by Jor-El23	Nov 5th, 2007 09:34:11 PM
why i loved this show. great friggin' episode. I wish they wouldn't have taken so long to get here though.
Candy ass, pursued by bear? by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 09:34:47 PM
Don't use your daddy's pet names for you with me? If you and he want to spend your night's blowing each other, that's your own business, but don't think you can do that kind of shit out here in public. I "for real" hate turd-lickers like you who BEG to be left alone and then fucking act like tough shit when you're LEFT ALONE! FUCK OFF! This episode brought to a climax the rehashed plotlines of this season. Whoopee. Heroes can "fix" the shitty climax last year with a moderately better one this year. How amazing.
"So much worse..." by jdl82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:35:25 PM
"So much worse than being stood up. Just having your date leave you in another time. Yuck." I love it! ROFL SOOOOOO.... I guess the biggest mystery staring us right in the eyes is, why is Claire kissing the quota "cute boy" as her dad lies there dead? I mean, sure, there's a painting of Mohinder pointing a gun at someone, but he's been doing that a lot lately and hasn't shot anyone. Could the cheerleader be HRG's killer? OR, could the shapeshifter have survived? Will Parkman's dad escape and create some bizzare dream in which superboy kills HNR and Claire kisses him? Let's not forget last season when he thought Hiro was going to fight a T-rex lol.
DAMN THIS FUCKING WRITERS STRIKE. by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 09:35:29 PM
Yeah, I was yelling there.
I'm not angry at the writers. by jdl82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:36:59 PM
It's just a case of unfortunate timing, is all.
Aw, gonna have a baby, pursued by bear? by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 09:37:09 PM
Your mother must be so proud. When's she due? "He's my brother. He's my son. He's my brother. He's my son." How do you KNOW that it's your kid, though? I mean, your mom is a pretty busy woman.
YES finally!!!11111!!!1shift1 by Triceratops on Fire	Nov 5th, 2007 09:38:02 PM
Hahahahahaha, too great! As I was watching this with my friend, we both said that "Hiro's story needs to end TONIGHT" and by god it did, and how did it ever. Plus Peter leaving Irish McTalks-alot was cool. Hopefully they don't jump to her storyline too much. So now that we know that "Kensei" is "Adam" and that he's been controlling the situation from the beginning, does that mean he controlled last season's actions like Kring suggested????
elvis by vic g	Nov 5th, 2007 09:38:59 PM
is a fucking pussy that should crawl back up his mother's cunt and die
About the twins... by jdl82	Nov 5th, 2007 09:40:45 PM
Why in the world would Sylar want HER power? I mean, when would that ever come in handy? Like he's ever going to cry lol.
Angela's power - RESTORING memory? by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 09:41:13 PM
The Haitian Sensation erases memory; maybe Mama P is the opposite of it.
How's Caitlin Gonna Cut a Bitch NOW? by eman_1293	Nov 5th, 2007 09:43:16 PM
I wonder what age Claire will begin to manifest her immortality.
Aww, you've hurt me to the quick, vic g by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 09:43:21 PM
I'm just so, so hurt. I don't know HOW I'll recover. Go fuck yourself. I DIDN'T START THIS SHIT, YOU POLE-SMOKING PEDOPHILE. I DIDN'T INVITE ME HERE. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH MY POSTING, BRING IT UP WITH THE ASS-LICKING MORON THAT WANTED ME TO EAT MY WORDS (WORDS THAT SAID THAT THE FIRST SIX EPISODES OF THIS SEASON SUCKED AND ONE GOOD EP DOESN'T CHANGE THAT). PERIOD. FUCK OFF.
pursued_by_bear: he's almost 6 months old by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 09:46:42 PM
And the US Government requires my employer to give me 12 weeks of unpaid leave. My wife took off the first 5ish months, and I'm taking over until January. We also saw the vial picture, and Nausicaa breaking down the door. So we've seen ... 5 so far, I think? "HRG" Dead, Mohinder armed, and one other remain (I think)
Pennsy: I don't think she restored memory by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 09:47:49 PM
Peter made the 'mind-reading' sound, so I'm guessing he just read all of her memories of him.
Kensei=Apocalypse by Dreadlock Holmes	Nov 5th, 2007 09:48:54 PM
Think about it. In X-Men Apocalypse was the first mutant...
Hiro goes back four months? by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 5th, 2007 09:51:15 PM
That could be how they will frame next week's episode: Hiro travels back four months in order to save his father. But for some reason, he cannot save his dad.
Hey, Shia did get accosted by the cops! by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 09:51:51 PM
Sadly, they didn't beat him.
Ok, the paintings by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 09:54:34 PM
http://heroeswiki.com/Painting s#Season_Two (remove spaces) 6 paintings have been fulfilled (Claire dropping in front of the cheerleader was the other one). Only dead HRG and Mohinder firing remain.
Elvis Cole Lives by BadMrWonka	Nov 5th, 2007 09:55:56 PM
since I can't read the normal posts for fear of spoilers (west coast, I still gotta wait), yours are the only ones I can read. always a safe bet that ALL CAPS posts full of swearing and nonsense are delightfully spoiler-free. unless you count as a spoiler the fact that you coming back to this TB is about as pathetic as Paris Hilton in a spelling bee. “Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity” - Michel de Montaigne
Hiro won't go back to save his father by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:00:12 PM
After almost fracturing time with Kensei, he's going to be super gun-shy about changing something that serious.
Damn you Wonka! by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:00:33 PM
You should definitely avoid my posts
by eman_1293	Nov 5th, 2007 10:01:04 PM
All I know is, Hiro's gonna have a breakdown when he finds out TAKEZO KENSEI killed his father! Irony, much? And speaking of breakdowns, they better not kill off the world's baddest soccer mom or Micah's gonna need therapy for the rest of his life. Although - He could be Monica's 'Robin'! Hmm...by the way, if you hadn't noticed yet I'm high on caffiene. :-)
Adam\Kensie\Highlander... by Oldnewbie	Nov 5th, 2007 10:01:45 PM
Kidding on the Highlander part... but does this mean Claire is immortal, too??
How Ironic Is It... by eman_1293	Nov 5th, 2007 10:02:05 PM
That Takezo Kensei MURDERED Hiro's pops!?
No, the Highlander part may be correct by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:03:14 PM
Remember, Claire "dies" if her brain is stabbed the right way. Kensei may have the same vulnerability.
Awesome. by TattooedBillionaire	Nov 5th, 2007 10:04:39 PM
That was easily the best episode of the season. I'm glad they kept the twins out.
Irony? Or Revenge? by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:05:33 PM
Kensei probably remembered Hiro's last name. His first target was chosen deliberately.
Time for the requisite ElleBell squee-ing... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 10:07:10 PM
Kissing Peter? Hayden's gonna be so pissed. ;)
Murray the K(ensei) by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:07:32 PM
Ok, so Murray probably received the Godsend(adoy!)-branded picture from Kensei and agreed to help in order to live.
If Elle is somehow related to Claire.... by Pennsy	Nov 5th, 2007 10:07:59 PM
Is there a chance she's immortal, too?
That WAS funny, BadMrWonka by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 10:10:32 PM
"Public opinion is a weak tyrant compared with our own private opinion. What a man thinks of himself, that is which determines, or rather indicates, his fate." - Henry David Thoreau. See, look, I can quote, too. Whoopee. I feel firmly confident in my assessment of the first six episodes of this season. I don't base them on whim, or fashion, or what the masses think, or what you or pursued_by_cock (in his dreams) thinks. I THINK them for myself. I stated as did others, including some at the TOP of THIS talkback, that the first six episodes of this season sucked. And they did. I continue to stand by that. Simply providing a nice "climax" and "revelation" to the rehashed plot doesn't solve the problems with the slow pacing, bad writing, and rehashed plotlines in the first six episodes. Good sex with the missus after six times of her cheating on you doesn't FIX the six times she cheated. So, at pursued_by_bear_cock's behest, I've returned here, though I had NO PLANS TO. NONE. ZIP. NADA. WROTE THE SHOW OFF AND DON'T REALLY GIVE A SHIT UNTIL THEY END THIS REHASHED VOLUME. It's nice that Kring could "slightly" improve on last season's poor finale with this episode, but a good term paper doesn't fix the six failing papers he turned in before. Let's end with another quote, shall we? "One should respect public opinion insofar as is necessary to avoid starvation and keep out of prison, but anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an unnecessary tyranny." - Bertrand Russell.
"I don't believe in Zimmerman" -- John Lennon by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:11:45 PM
Think about it.
Who's to say that Hiro changed history? by GreatOne2	Nov 5th, 2007 10:13:16 PM
I think it was pretty well established tonight that Hiro was the Kensei of history. Also, was it ever explained last year why in Hiro's time traveling the explosion happened during the day, but the finale had it occurring at night in the dark? And get rid of Nikki. 1 1/2 years of wasted screen time. Pointless storyline.
Still waiting to eat my words, pursued_by_bare_men by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 10:13:56 PM
Wasn't that what you were going to do? Make me eat my words? Did Claire climb out of a shower and see Bobby Ewing and realize that the last six shitty episodes were all a bad dream. No? Well, I'm still waiting, tough guy. Start making me eat them words. Come on. Let's do this thing.
GreatOne2: They never explained it per se by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:15:01 PM
However, there were a couple "you're late" comments in prior episodes, so the idea that things could occur at different times was established (although in this case, it was early).
All I'm hoping for is... by jerseycajun	Nov 5th, 2007 10:19:04 PM
that they change Noah's future. He's still the best character and actor the show has. I can still replay the "Your last thought" scene in my mind, so awesome it was, but if they do follow through and off him, they'd better make it in a way worthy of the character.
it seems pretty obvious now how this is going to end by Magic Rat	Nov 5th, 2007 10:20:16 PM
they can't kill Kensai, so they'll have to "trap" him again. They'll probably have Parkman lock him up in his nightmare, which will be him witnessing Hiro kiss the princess over and over and over again. Kinda suck, cause his body will never die and he'll be trapped in his own mind for all eternity.
David Anders Properly Utilized! by eman_1293	Nov 5th, 2007 10:22:02 PM
I knew Tim Kring wasn't crazy (enough) to waste such villainous talent! Julian Sark returns! Next, Nichelle Nichols!
Magic Rat: I disagree by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:22:10 PM
I'm thinking: Kensei's own sword ramming into the back of his brain. I wonder if Kensei knew Linderman had his sword?
The Company is still the evil by zooch	Nov 5th, 2007 10:23:27 PM
I still don't trust Bob. I think Murray is on his side. He's purposely spreading the virus. Adam Munroe appears to be working with Peter to try and take down the company.
Let me help you out, cocksmoker by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 10:28:41 PM
An "[i]nternet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response." I'd, first, you piece of fucking shit, like for you to show me where I posted ANYTHING about HEROES "with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response." I DEFINITELY started posting some trollish shit when your sad, silly little pathetic cock-loving ass started daring me to appear after whining like a little bitch about my being here a week or two ago. I'll grant you that. But N-O-T-H-I-N-G that I posted here criticizing THIS SEASON of HEROES SHITTY WRITING was intended to "bait users into an argumentative response." In fact, you mule dick smoking fucktard, I went to great lengths to explain exactly what I thought the problems were (no "THIS SHOW SUX!" comments) and the fact that I LOVED last season. So, you may "hate trolls," but your culo-licking ass wouldn't know a TROLL if it stuck its dick in your daddy's ass with you! I gave specific reasons why I thought this seasons first six episodes sucked and no good episode tonight retroactively fixes those episodes. PERIOD. In response, I got "just wait," "you don't like to read," and "you're just not a fan," ALL OF WHICH I WENT TO GREAT UN-TROLLISH LENGTHS TO PROVE. You know, until your frog-cunt-fingering ass spoke up, I might have been more than willing to be more than kind to this episode and MIGHT even have been willing to give Heroes another shot, but it's daddy-dick-loving fatuous fanboys like you who turn people off this show. No rationality. No distance. No intelligence. Just simple blind adoration. Kind of like an abused wife. I never acted trollish, simply voiced my opinions, defended them against the sophistry of your and others IGNORANT responses (I "don't like to READ"?!?!? WTF??!?!?), and left. YOUR STUPID INVITATION TO "MAKE ME EAT MY WORDS" IS WHAT INVITED MY RETURN. I would have been MORE than happy to let you jerk your grandpappy off in peace. So, go on. I'm waiting. Show me how tonight's episode makes ALL my other criticisms of the last six episodes invalid. Please. I'm dying to know and knowing how you "HATE TROLLS" I'm sure that you're just dying to do it. So go on. Do it.
pursued_by_bear: No it couldn't by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:30:48 PM
Nice try thought ;)
So wait, if Kring is off the show ... by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:32:01 PM
NBC, you need a showrunner. Give me a call baby, we'll do lunch.
Pussy by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 10:34:56 PM
Gonna make me eat my words, huh? Go away? Not in a million years, my friend. You invited me here. Remember? Let me refresh your memory. I want that troll to come back here and eat his words. That's right, ECL, I'm talking to your gnarly ass." Remember? Huh? That sound familiar? How about this? "I FOR REAL hate those ignorant, roody-poo, candy ass morons who bash and bash and bitch and moan about a show and then fall silent when that same show returns to form and rocks mightily." That sound like you? Huh? Just a little? Well, I'm not silent now, smart guy. So when does your brilliant lesson on how to eat your words of criticism of slow pacing, bad writing, and a rehashed plot when the seventh episode is slightly better begin? I AM WAITING. HERE I AM. WHEN STARTETH THE LESSON? Remember this: "That's right, haters...eat cock." So go on. Make me eat cock with your brilliant essay on how today fixes yesterday.
bacci40: If NBC calls by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:40:45 PM
I'm bringing you on as a consultant. I like the cut of your jib!
the first six episodes by zooch	Nov 5th, 2007 10:42:53 PM
like I said before, were setting things up, and now finally the next five episodes are the big pay-off..again like was said before. I can't believe how no could see that. and Elvis...you've changed all our minds...we totally don't think you are a troll anymore.
One last thought before bed by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:43:03 PM
We better get a Reaper talkback tomorrow. I'm sick of Pushing Daisies getting TBs with a whopping 20 comments in them. Reaper needs a talkback, I mean, c'mon, Neil Cumpston was on last week!
Yeah, I'M a dick by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 10:45:58 PM
Whining like a pussy little bitch when you couldn't defend the shitty rehashed storyline ("why do you even bother us") and then talking BIG TOUGH TALK ("I FOR REAL hate those ignorant, roody-poo, candy ass morons who bash and bash and bitch and moan about a show and then fall silent when that same show returns to form and rocks mightily.") when I actually leave your ignorant piss-ant ass alone. Then when I take you up on your BIG LOUD FUCKING TAUNT, you suddenly don't want to talk again. Huh. Imag ine that. A little pussy couldn't defend the shittiness and lagging ratings of the first six episodes, but suddenly talks real tough and loud when ONE HALFWAY DECENT EPISODE APPEARS and blusters around like some kind of dude who make other dudes eat words for breakfast. Then I show up and miraculously you don't want to go into your word eating lesson. I THOUGHT that you hated "haters" and wanted to make us eat our words? Was I wrong? Is it possible? For the record, once again, I'll state that this episode FINALLY got back to LAST SEASON coolness, but took SIX FUCKING SHITTY EPISODES to do it! I never said that they couldn't do it, did I? Nope. Never said that they wouldn't do it, did I? NO A-FUCKING-GAIN YOU COWARDLY LITTLE ANAL WART! I said that I wished the show and its fans the best and to let me know when volume 3 got rolling and I'd give it a shot then. And for that I get "hate trolls" and "make him eat his words" and FUCKING I AM THE DICK? Brother, you should spend three minutes reviewing your own trash-talking, make-you-eat-your-words threatening posts before you EVER call anybody else a dick, you pole loving inbred grandma fucking loser.
Theories by zooch	Nov 5th, 2007 10:52:47 PM
Sylar could show up looking for Claire again disquised as her father and get shot in the eye. Elle and Claire, are sisters of the same mother, different Dad's.
chrth: I agree on the Reaper Talkback... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 5th, 2007 10:53:50 PM
I'm surprised that it doesn't get more love by Herc/Coaxial, especially since Kevin Smith is a producer on it. Reaper is better than Chuck -- there, I said it. I like Adam Baldwin, but Ray Wise is cooler, in comparison. ... As far as ECL is concerned, I actually agreed with many of his problems with Heroes this season -- I just felt he hammered about them too much (honest, constructive criticism for the critic). I would argue that Heroes should NOT have spent six episodes "setting things up" this season. Remember: We had to sit through six lackluster-to-okay episodes before we finally got an episodethat was fun to watch. It shouldn't have been that way. I'm not expecting every episode to be stellar, balls to the wall excitement. But when aspiring screenwriters get lectured about how the scripts they write must be page-turners, where bad-ass shit has to happen every 3rd or 5th page, it just seems inexcusable that we the audience are expected to give TV series writers a pass, for several episodes, in order to "set up" plot points.
WOW! That was PREDICTABLE! by The Dude Abides	Nov 5th, 2007 10:55:47 PM
Who the hell didn't see Kensei as the big bad for the season? Of course he's Adam. Adam was the first man, Kensei is the first superpower. Duh! Are the writer's on this show even trying? I mean, at all? Well, I guess not now with the strike on. That's probably the best thing that could happen to this show.
Unloved? Wow, how the tune changes by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 10:56:21 PM
You're Mister Bold Fucking Talker when you think you're by yourself, but you seem to have forgotten all about your plans to make me eat my fucking words, huh? Leave your lesson plan in the other car? YOU paged ME for this fucking lesson in word eating. Apparently, you're unable to fulfill your half of the proposal, huh? 'Cause, see, I'm here and you "want that troll to come back here and eat his words." So, I'm waiting to eat my words. I personally don't think you can do it since you yourself say "that same show [Heroes] returns to form and rocks mightily." Emphasis of ** added. You see, implicit in your own ham-handed threat is the statement that Heroes has NOT been what it was (thus, the RETURN TO FORM, motherfucker). So, if Heroes was less than what it was and didn't deliver on what it had, HOW THE FUCK IS THAT ANY FUCKING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I SAID WHEN I WAS "TROLLING?!?!?"
What I find interesting .. by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 10:58:13 PM
is all the praise heaped on Twin Peaks of late (with the DVD release) juxtaposed with all the scorn heaped on Heroes' second season. Twin Peaks moved a lot slower than Heroes (well, except in the UK), yet not only was it tolerated, it was celebrated. Heroes takes six episodes to set up the half season, and we criticize it mercilessly. Why is that? To frame the question differently: can you imagine if Twin Peaks came out today? Would it have reached a second season? Would it have gone the whole first season? Something tells me it wouldn't have. And what we really need to ask ourselves, is whose fault is that?
Reusing Season 1 storylines ins Season 2 by AlwaysThere	Nov 5th, 2007 10:59:55 PM
Quite original I tell you.
Zooch, fuck off, you tiny brained twerp by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 10:59:56 PM
This is between me and the dude that's gonna make me eat my words. You couldn't make me eat a ham sandwich if I was starving. I "must not like to read" my ass!
Reusing Season 1 storylines ins Season 2 by AlwaysThere	Nov 5th, 2007 10:59:58 PM
Quite original I tell you.
chrth: Twin Peaks second season wasn't well-received... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Nov 5th, 2007 11:08:04 PM
I followed the show religiously during its original run back in 1990/1991. Viewers turned away in droves in its second season. But back then, there was no Internet for fans to commiserate and possibly express to the producers why the show was no longer compelling to watch. Now, the question: Would TP do well today? I find that question difficult to consider, because it's partly due to TP why we have many serialized, quirky, culty dramas on the air -- the show helped to make the idea of such shows more palatable to American TV viewers, I would argue. Without Twin Peaks, there might never have been X-Files, Buffy, Babylon 5, LOST, Veronica Mars, 24 and so on.
Kensei= by MisterE	Nov 5th, 2007 11:09:10 PM
Kensei could be used as a way to give Syler a healing ability without him having to kill Claire.
Prof. Pop-Cult: What it really comes down to by chrth	Nov 5th, 2007 11:10:48 PM
Is that Max Headroom was the best fucking show ever and should've received all the glory that Twin Peaks did. It was just 20 minutes too soon. (Actually, I was a huge TP fan when it originally aired. I went as Dale and my gf went as the log lady. Good times)
A better episode surely.... by Merlox	Nov 5th, 2007 11:16:31 PM
but hopefully we can all agree that they need to do something about the action direction in this show. Every scene wheneverthere is some sort of fight is SEVERELY lacking in genuine tension and suspense. It's always clearly staged and anti climactic. Take Hiro and Kensei's sword "fight" for example. Or greater still the finale.
Good ep by Ashok0	Nov 5th, 2007 11:20:04 PM
Not on par with LOST, but good. Didnt expect to see Sark as Adam.
Elvis Cole Lives by BadMrWonka	Nov 5th, 2007 11:20:33 PM
googling quotes is not quoting any more than watching baseball is the same as playing it. and since you like to google, google, "heroes 2.1 aintitcool badmrwonka" and see what I thought about the first episode this season. not exactly high praise. but I didn't use ALL CAPS, and I managed not to start any fights with anyone else. as for the writer's strike, I lost a couple meetings, but I've been day jobbing it doing almost solely editing. I can still WRITE during the strike, I just can't do anything with what I write. but oh boys do I have big news set for January. gonna be fun, I will let you know. for now, it's bowling, editing, writing, rinse, repeat.
Chrth, regarding Twin Peaks by Elvis Cole Lives	Nov 5th, 2007 11:23:17 PM
"[A]ll the praise heaped on Twin Peaks of late (with the DVD release)" is just that - praise heaped on Twin Peaks OF LATE. Twin Peaks was WIDELY scorned at the time for it's slow second season and, as a result, lost HUGE audience share week after week after week. Most of TP's praise today is a combo of "retro-lovin'" and the fact that one doesn't have to wait 15 episodes and ONE YEAR to have Laura's killer revealed - you can do it all in about three or four sittings. Twin Peaks slowness was NOT celebrated at the time by any but a VERY select few (see Heroes defenders for current examples). Twin Peaks got bounced around like a motherfucker by the network as it started to BLEED VIEWERS like crazy. I'm not one to criticize slowness (I LIKED Lynch's "Inland Empire"), but my problems with the first six episodes of Heroes wasn't slowness per se. It was that the earth-shaking events of last season ("save the cheerleader, SAVE THE WORLD") appeared to have no effect on the characters, that everyone was doing essentially the same shit that they were doing last year DESPITE revelations and reconciliations and that the plot seemed to be cut and paste from last year. Maybe when Heroes Season 2 hits DVD all will be forgiven - we can fast-forward through Eps 1-6, or at least do 'em in one or two sittings instead of a month and a half. As for your question concerning TP today and a second season, the answer is probably a resounding "YES!" TP pilot (aired on a Sunday and I remember it well) had great ratings (one of the ALL TIME highest rated pilots) and its first season (on Thursday nights) maintained much of the ratings though not all. After that, ABC bounced it around on the schedule and the resolution was extremely drawn out (and, to some, dissatisfying). This resulted in a drastic decline in ratings. The show was pulled.

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