But the chick has a NICE rack. I'd watch the show just for that much alone.

What they are is not goth. They're too young, too clubby, and too mall-chic. They're Mall-Vampires, at best. They're posers to those of us who were in the goth scene when it existed, and died in 1989 to be taken over by vampire babies and mainstream posers who think buying a pre-made "goth" costume from the mall makes them part of the scene.

Goth, like the beatnik and hippie movements, was about the social climate as much as about the music and clothing. You CANNOT be a hippie today because the motivating social climate-- the backlash of the Vietnam War, primarily-- doesn't exist. You cannot be a beatnik today for similar reasons-- the original beat poets are long gone and what's left are posers who just copy the style. Goth is the same. We were the response to the day-glo 70s & 80s. We were the counter-culture that blended punk and art-house ideals into a subculture. We were NOT losers who bought our clothes at Hot Topic or listened to anything on the radio. The title "goth" never came from out lips-- It was assigned to us by the mainstream media. Anybody who runs around saying "I'm goth" is most assuredly not goth. They've missed the whole point.

I know, the modern 'goths' are large in number, and they've usurped the title and there's nothing I can do about that. If a bunch of kids who buy their individuality from a corporate entity want to play dress-up and claim they're outcasts, I can't stop them. I can, however, shout to the hills that THIS IS NOT GOTH. Goth died.

I don't know why the generations after Gen X can't get their OWN style, subcultures, and fashions. Come up with something new. We did. We gave the world Punk and all it's subsets, for example (extending all the way out to grunge, which I'll apologize for). We gave the world the geek culture-- Before Gen X, there were no proud geeks-- Only Nerds who were ripped on.

What do Gen Y and the later generations give us? Club brat variations of all of the previous generations' cultural movements, but with NONE of the social gravitas or motivating factors behind them.

I spot on this interview. Self-aggrandizing mallrats in Hot Topic gear are the very OPPOSITE of what goths stood for. They're just preppies in a different kind of designer outfit.

Not that I ultimately care. I'm older now, and that shit really doesn't matter. I just get pissed off when I see little poseurs flitting around saying "Look at me! OMG! I'm so goth I shit bats!" -- They are poor representatives for what my favored clique stood for.

In my late 30s, I'm one of the younger members of the subculture.

I'm also old enough and smart enough to know when to Tone It Down and stop letting my high school clique define me as an adult.

So forgive me. I'm not that opposed to their style, itself. If they want to CALL it goth, they can. I think they look good, and I think they sound fairly cool... I just needed caffeine.

I'll ask Doc Pazuzu if he could kindly just delete my freaked-out caffeine-less rants this time... I'd appreciate it. I was being a real jerk.

There is no "real goth." I don't know why I was being that way... Chalk it up to bad flashbacks or something. Forgive me my "get off my lawn" moment.

I'm rooting for you. You're the only halfway cool people on that show, ever.

Still, not that I'm an expert, but are these two really "goth"? He just looks like a drag queen, and she looks like his boyfriend/boss/top.

Pretty handy if you want to fire up the DVR at just the right time. If not, just pad your recording program by an hour to be safe.