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SWEEPS DAY TWO: Husker Due!! Herc’s Seen Friday’s Fascinating New GALACTICA Razorette!!

Bring it by Aloy	Nov 2nd, 2007 03:19:51 AM
Along with the whole season!
I really hate all these webisodes and mini-episodes by photoboy	Nov 2nd, 2007 03:38:01 AM
I'm probably in the minority but I'm tired of being cock teased by shows with all these short webisodes/razorettes/whatever. It's like going to a restaurant and ordering your favourite food, but they only bring out enough of it for one mouthful, leaving you completely unstatisfied. Just show the real thing FFS!
The Razor screener is floating around... by Riley Martin	Nov 2nd, 2007 04:30:58 AM
Whatever you do - DON'T download it. That is WRONG.
Husker Due! i get it! by benizdead	Nov 2nd, 2007 04:32:05 AM

Does he say "this has all happened before"? by newc0253	Nov 2nd, 2007 04:35:35 AM
because that would be spooky! can i just take a moment to wish a pox on all those who are able to watch the razorettes. here on SciFi UK they have shown no such foresight.
Youtube by Browndog	Nov 2nd, 2007 05:48:28 AM
If your stuck in the UK like me then you can try Youtube, its how I've been watching.
Ditto. by raw_bean	Nov 2nd, 2007 05:59:56 AM
The picture quality is crap but at least it gives us a way to see them. Each of them's been better than the last, too, and Nico Cortez is spookily like Eddie Olmos in them.
meh not watching flash by palewook	Nov 2nd, 2007 06:09:13 AM
no matter what you put in the middle of it
im out of touch with bg by SpazmoCalrissian	Nov 2nd, 2007 06:32:39 AM
i stopped watching during the start of season 3, is razor the film or what?? and whos the main woman on the front of that box??? i heard starbuck was a cylon..........
Razor minisode by damned-dirty-ape	Nov 2nd, 2007 06:35:48 AM
You can watch a bigger, cleaner version at galactica.com. There's the small one you first see but you can get a larger version on the site.
newc0253, are you aware of this thing called 'youtube'? by Lemming	Nov 2nd, 2007 07:02:58 AM
They are on there about two minutes later..
All this happened before... by DynamixRo	Nov 2nd, 2007 07:22:39 AM
...and it will happen again...again...again...
Hey Herc, would you PLEASE quit doing that? by duct tape wallet	Nov 2nd, 2007 07:33:35 AM
In particular, would you please stop extending the clickable border around the picture? It's VERY anoying when all I want to do is scroll down and read your post and end up at Amazon instead!
Ditto by RenoNevada2000	Nov 2nd, 2007 09:40:17 AM
What Duct Tape Wallet said. Real annoying and just make me not want to buy what you're probably getting a comission on.
DO NOT download the Razor screener! by Abin Sur	Nov 2nd, 2007 12:14:55 PM
That is, IF you have the SciFi Channel in high definition like ME...that way you won't spoil the presentation of it! But if not, please by all means - download away!
Razor is great by SantiagoAtez	Nov 2nd, 2007 12:34:06 PM
Didn't really buy the XO execution, but overall I thought it was better than the 3rd season.
I am downloading the screener! by Ashok0	Nov 2nd, 2007 04:30:10 PM
:D Btw, when does the DVD come out and will it be in HD? If so I will TOTALLY buy it for my XBOX360 HDDVD player. And for LOST being Blu-Ray Disc only... BEEP BEEP BEEP!!!!!!!!!
It kicks ass by Jack_Bauer	Nov 2nd, 2007 04:59:24 PM
But I would definately say that the flashbacks to Cain's command were not as powerful as they could have been. They pretty much followed beat for beat everything that we had been told with virtually nothing new or riveting added. (Cain's "So Say We All" moment excluded coz I thought that was great) However the main timeline following Apollo was all good, and the way it ends really leaves you wanting season 4 to start right now.
WHY buy Galactica in high-def? by Tai_Pan	Nov 2nd, 2007 05:46:28 PM
Makes no sense... they shoot it with the intent to make it grainy. "OOh! I can really see the grain, now!" Better get surround sound for my silent movie collection while I'm at it.
Cane's transformation too quick... by SantiagoAtez	Nov 2nd, 2007 08:06:56 PM
I just wasn't convinced...killing that XO and still having control of the ship...I don't know, in the Season2 Pegasus ep. it sounded unbelievable, and now it IS unbelievable. She went from a first-name relationship to killing the XO within 15 minutes in the show. Overall though, it was better than season 3
SPOILERS in above comment for those unfamiliar w/ season2 by SantiagoAtez	Nov 2nd, 2007 08:07:58 PM

Would have been better by Shivv	Nov 2nd, 2007 10:21:19 PM
if it had just been two hours of Pegasus backstory, ending with the discovery of Galactica and the fleet.
"Pegsus is where the BSG series started to blow" by Ashok0	Nov 3rd, 2007 12:27:08 AM
No.
S.O.L.I.D..... by Kai_Mah'gra	Nov 3rd, 2007 12:37:10 AM
.....gold, that is. That's all I'm gonna say about that. The fall of the Scorpion shipyards was particularly satisfying albeit brief, in the vein of old-school sci-fi deep space opera. Just good old Galactica at its best. You can just tell that Razor has R.D.M.'s John Hancock all over it unlike most of the episodes of Season 3. Sci-Fi need to do themselves a huge favour and throw all kinds of silly money at Moore to do one more Season after a non-stretched Season 4 if they're interested in anything like good programming. I know they pride themselves in a long-honoured tradition of prematurely killing great shows/series, but.....er......seriously guys, for real. Oh and Pegasus is where the Series, thus far, peaked - with a brief uptick at the start of Season 3 with Exodus. It's been mostly downhill since then. Razor seems to provide a tonnage of hope for Season 4. Can't wait!!
I HAVE SEEN RAZOR AND IT ROCKS! by Ronimus Prime	Nov 3rd, 2007 02:12:08 AM
Gotta love the glory of a broadband internet connection and bit torrent. Fucking April?! I can't believe I have to wait till fucking April till the next episode. That's just too far away. Hopefully the WGA strike will push the return back up to Jan where it belongs.
hey by theonecalledshoe	Nov 3rd, 2007 04:39:41 AM

sorry for double but by theonecalledshoe	Nov 3rd, 2007 04:40:43 AM
where's the football at? huh oh it's ORIGINAL Battlestuff. okay.
Stephanie Chaves-Jacobsen by DigitalDong	Nov 3rd, 2007 04:59:37 AM
Hot hot hwat!!! Plus old school Cylons!!! God damn what a blast. Its ashame the 4th season will be the last. But Razor was great, can't wait to see it with ads on Sci-Fi, specially the Direct TV ones telling me I need Direct TV for HD Sci-Fi. The Internets>Direct TV. And word to sci-fi, little featurettes won't save Flash Gordon. I like how disconcerned they are to be ending BSG, yet they will strech out the last season, and use it to help out a shitty show somebody greenlighted and hopefully got fired for.
Razor Screener by MattmanReturns	Nov 3rd, 2007 06:30:37 AM
I'm gonna go NOT download that right now.
How the series will end by Mazzke	Nov 3rd, 2007 06:50:09 AM
I think the tagline pretty much gives away how season 5 will end. For those who haven't seen the Razor stuff, it was something like: "That which happened before will happen again." To me, that screams the following events: 1) They get to Earth and discover that their ancestors, i.e. the founders of the original 12 colonies, were exiled from Earth. (2) They discover that the Earth humans also created a mechanical cylon-like race that they went to war with. (3) They learn that those mechanical creations also managed to create skin jobs (organic versions of themselves) like the new Cylons did. (4) They learn that the colonial founders were exiled because they weren't human; they were the organic versions of the Earth's first robotic race. Unlike the Colonies, the earth humans decided that their skin jobs were sentient, living beings and that they could not wipe them out. So, they exiled them instead. (5) They learn that those original skin jobs colonialists decided to bury the memories of their exile so they could start fresh. (6) They will then flash back and show how the cylons learned, during their efforts to create a hybrid in between the two Cylon wars, how to access those buried memories of the colonies true history. (7) They will learn that the Cylons wiped out the colonies because they wanted to force some key humans to seek out their original planet, a task that they had not figured out how to do themselves. (8) The bsg crew finally realize sthat they are exactly the same as the Cylons. (9) Colonol Tye jumps in the air and has a Menthos moment. "That which happened before will happen again."
by Mazzke	Nov 3rd, 2007 06:55:22 AM
Oh, that also explains what's up with Kara Thrace. I think she's a special skin job created by the old Earth humans programmed to warn Earth if the colonist ever tried to come back. When she disappeared, she made contact with them. She was then sent back to bring them all to Earth, where they will be destroyed for breaking their exile. Note that the hybrid creature in Razor pretty much said the same thing.
the father+son Galactica+Pegasus was... by SantiagoAtez	Nov 3rd, 2007 07:02:15 AM
...a great evolution of the series, and unfortunately they took a step backwards in Season 3. Lee returning to a CAG role was a big mistake IMHO. There were some many more stories to tell with the 2 battlestar setup.
Agreed, SantiagoAtez. by raw_bean	Nov 3rd, 2007 07:59:45 AM
Although Exodus was awesome, they got back to the status quo much too quickly in S3, getting off New Caprica and getting Galactica's crew back into their original roles. Kai_Mah'gra, I totally agree about the series peaking with Pegasus/Resurectio Ship, and losing the plot largely in the latter 2/3 of Season 3. Although I'm among those that thought the Dylan/Watchtower/Starbuck-retu rn finale was absolutely magnificent. :^)
When does Season 3 by Internet Thug	Nov 3rd, 2007 10:10:45 AM
hit dvd???
Not Watching the Screener by skydemon	Nov 3rd, 2007 12:51:55 PM
This must be seen on a 50" or larger screen on DVD or better. I'm holding out for Friends, Pizza and the DVD.
Kara Thrace is the harbinger of doom? by damned-dirty-ape	Nov 3rd, 2007 01:13:06 PM
What the fuck does that mean? I was kind of hoping the hybrid was someone we knew, not a crusty old man.
Seen it. It is better than anything else on but not great by jccalhoun	Nov 3rd, 2007 09:48:36 PM
It is better than pretty much anything else on tv at the moment but it isn't all that great. *minor spoilers* It is basically all about showing how different the crew of Galactica was from that of Pegasus. It kept jumping back and forth between Apollo as commander and Cain as commander which I found disjointing. In the first 10 minutes we’re told 3 times that Pegasus’ network was down (once by Tricia Helfer’s Gina character). We get Pegasus’ version of the “So say we all” chant which is extra cheesy. The only real good think I can see is that it sets up what possibly might be an explanation for how Tigh could be a cylon.
JCCALHOUN - please elaborate on the Tigh explanation... by SantiagoAtez	Nov 3rd, 2007 10:34:57 PM
..I've seen it, too, but I don't see how this is an explanation for how Tigh could be a Cylon. But to be honest, season 3 is a distant memory for me now, so could you slap me in the face and tell me what escaped me? Thanks!
speculative spoilerific by jccalhoun	Nov 3rd, 2007 10:47:14 PM
speculation based on spoilers**** I'm speculating that during the timeframe of Adama's flashback there could have been a switcharoo with a "real" Tigh. Total speculation though. probably completely wrong.
Mazzke by Maniaq	Nov 3rd, 2007 11:47:29 PM
only one problem I can see with your hypothesis - Cylons can't reproduce... It's the thing that separates a "skinjob" from a human - one produces offspring, the other just produces carbon copies - clones... I could have misinterpreted, but I believe the reason the hybrid thing was so important to the Cylons was because of this fact that they can't reproduce on their own - wasn't that the POINT of the farms? I totally agree with the peak of this show being somewhere around the Pegasus. I think they could have done the Pegasus story better, but Exodus was a nice way to make up for that mistake - and it was DEFINITELY ALL DOWN HILL FROM THERE!!!
spoilers maybe* I think Razor fills the gap. by DigitalDong	Nov 4th, 2007 12:06:08 AM
I mean it all makes sense now that I seen it. The Cylons attacked to find the final five, this was pretty much their basis for everything thats happened. In a way it's their version of finding god. ( being they mention god alot throughout the series )And what Adama went through at the end of the war shows us their is more to the Cylons then we think. They aren't a Borg like collective. Who knows how many of these little operations they had like the Hybrid one. Also with the end of Season 3 this brings a new light on why we got new humanlike Cylons, but not only did they not know it, but neither did the other Cylons. For all we know since the end of the war till they attack the colonies there could have been a lot of civl unrest in the Cylon society. And what we're seeing now is the winning side trying to bring closure to it all. I still don't see how Starbuck fits in all of it. But I'm pretty sure the end of this series is gonna have a big payoff. Plus who else wants to see Caprica now that we've wittnessed old school Cylons? I do, I do!!!
Maniaq by Mazzke	Nov 4th, 2007 01:33:21 AM
The fact that the new cylons can't reproduce doesn't imply anything about an organic race created on earth thousands of years before the cylons ever existed. They were developed by different parties completely independent of each other. There's no reason that the same limitation would have to exist. I see your point about no explanation for the farms and the whole human/hybrid baby thing. I think it would actually fit into this theory pretty well. They cylons have made multiple allusions about getting close to God and God's plan. In this theory, they would probably view either the Earth humans or the mechanical creators of the colonialists as God. If so, they may want to "get back to God" by merging their organic design with that originally done on earth, thus becoming a hybrid that would literally be a child of God.
I didn't think it was too good by performingmonkey	Nov 4th, 2007 09:37:59 AM
I wanted to say that this was a fantastic episode that rocked but it wasn't. It quickly becomes apparent that we just don't need to know any more about Cain, and the new character of Kendra has zero importance to anything (if she had been alive at the end, with the information that Starbuck was leading them to the 'apocalypse', that would have been a different story. We would have been waiting for her to catch up with the fleet and warn them!). The mission that Starbuck, Kendra and the others were on was pretty lame, and YET AGAIN we get the same old 'should we launch and kill our own people?' debate and the same old Adama/Lee father son struggle. Lee is the most boring character, way too much focus on him here. Roslin, Baltar, Tigh, Boomer, Helo, Tyrol, Gaeta, Callie, Dee don't appear, neither do any Cylon models other than PegaSix (aka Gina, the lover of Cain...). Yes, there were some good effects shots, but we needed a lot more than that for Razor to merit being a standalone special. It's not a TV movie. It should have been a 2-parter in the second half of season 2. Maybe the best part was the Adama flashback. All the 'Razorette' flashbacks should have been included here. Stuff like Cain shooting her XO in the head can't make up for that.
But Where's Dr. Zee?? For those that have seen it by picardsucks	Nov 4th, 2007 10:41:20 AM
I am jazzed for this!!! But for those that have seen it, are all the Pegasus flashbacks as heavy handed as the original episode was. I recently watched the dvd again on my nifty new 65" DLP and was struck by how everyone on the Pegasus was portrayed as these evil, raping, sneering jackboot types. Although I loved the episode it kind of seemd anti- military to me. Hopefully for Razor there is a more evn handed portrail of her crew.
And Does anyone know if another Battlestar shows up this season? by picardsucks	Nov 4th, 2007 10:46:15 AM
I have heard rumors about Valkyre or another Battlestar showing up. I always liked the two Battlestar motif. It's not like they are really any less underdogs anyway with another ship of the line. I know things are ending and we'll never see it but how cool would it have been to see Galactica get to a shipyard and get refit like the original Enterprise.
Razor was fantastic! by mayorofsimpleton	Nov 4th, 2007 12:54:28 PM
To Picardsucks...if you are wondering if there is a more even handed portrayal of the crew, let me say that Razor shows you WHY they are all evil jackboot types. I really enjoyed seeing Razor when I did, that is, where it is placed in the timeline after season 3 so the "present" really wasn't the present. I thought that added to it alot. I enjoyed learning more about Cain now, but I could see how I might feel like it was a waste of time during a regular season. Also, the old school cylons were so, so fucking sweet. I loved Razor...give it a 8 out of 10. Sci-Fi can fuck off.
Thank you Mr. Mayor by picardsucks	Nov 4th, 2007 03:14:31 PM
Thanks your honor.
why everyone on the pegasus is so mean by jccalhoun	Nov 4th, 2007 03:53:15 PM
I didn't think that the Pegasus had it nearly as hard as the Galactica did. Look at the first few episodes of the series and what Galactica endures versus what Pegasus endures in Razor. The difference is what we already knew Cain vs. Adama. That being said, I found it much less interesting whenever Cain wasn't on screen. I really wish it would have been about her rather than the Brunette Starbuck.
PICARDSUCKS - Valkyre was in S3 flashback by SantiagoAtez	Nov 4th, 2007 04:03:24 PM
It was in the ep. in S3 about the POW. Originally people thought that the Valkyre was going to show up in S3, but it turned out that it was just a quick little flashback.
Thanks Sant by picardsucks	Nov 4th, 2007 06:07:36 PM
I saw that but I was hoping to see her in season 4
can we have a Razor talkback now? by Maniaq	Nov 5th, 2007 07:38:48 PM
seems we've all seen it... I also thought it was pointless - although I must admit I was already of this opinion before watching it. It's just a story I don't think really needed to be told. And yeah, like the monkey said, the Kendra character was ultimately far less interesting by being killed off at the end (OOPS! IS THAT A SPOILER?). I feel I MUST however point out one majorly redeeming feature - OLD SCHOOL CYLONS AND OLD SCHOOL RAIDERS!!!! More so the Raiders - damn they were cool! The Cylons kinda moved wrong, but still looked awesome!!
BSG: Razor by RaveX	Nov 5th, 2007 07:58:45 PM
So Saw We All.
"Knock it off Hudson" WTF by photoboy	Nov 6th, 2007 05:14:54 PM
Was it just me or were those "homages" to Hudson in Aliens just distracting and unnecessary? It was supposed to be a tense run on a Cylon Basestar but they completely took me out of the scene with all the Hudson gags. Don't get me wrong, Paxton created a masterpiece with Hudson, but I thought it was totally inappropriate for Razor.

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