But the hate people. C'mon. People saying Lost sucked and now it doesn't. People saying BSG sucked but are still going to watch Razor & Season 4. Heck I think Bionic Woman isn't so great, but I still tune in. Most cool TV is average. You get the occasional extraordinary show like Arrested Development, but even a great show like Babylon 5 was a bit slow to start with and mucked up its final season.

Take it easy. Be entertained, or not. And understand that Heroes being boring is the norm. Hope it picks up the pace but until then I'll keep looking for shiny things.

And Arrested Development kept its level of story, characters, comedy and style consistent for three seasons. I haven't seen any other show maintain such a high level of quality in each episode for that long. Usually there are ups and downs. IMHO Arrested Development didn't have any, but then it didn't have alot of special effects and stuff. It had to rely on its writing and production. Might be a bit boring for some. But again I'd love to hear to any other show that can match 3+ years of consistency.

As for some of the other new shows Chuck is cute but very predictable, Bionic Woman just feels uncomfortably jagged the people who make it don't really know what they want to do with the show. Reaper is simple fun (and yes I wish they would tone down his fat friend to) which is better than simple not fun. Pushing Daises with it's Tim Burton/Cat In The Hat feel is getting on my nerves. I'm starting to hate the dead pan narration which is not needed if you just write a good show and let the story tell itself. Rent the movie Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events to get a feel of how to so this "feel" correctly. Question since no one ever comes into the pie mans store, what does he do with all those pies??

So, to clarify, of shows _I've seen_ Heroes had possibly (note I say "possibly") the best first season. And it was in a genre I love, so I'm biased.

And yeah, I guess I do have low expectations. We're dealing with a story-telling medium that takes place sometimes over many years, with different writers, characters, even styles and genres. And that's in a single series. Gotta give it a bit of leeway. It's magic when they get the blend right, but it's the exception - not the rule.

We are all well aware of the fact that this show has the potential to be great, yet it just doesn't deliver. It only delivered on it's promise for a handful of episodes last year, and clearly it was all under Fuller's influence. The decline in quality since Fuller should tell NBC that Kring is a hack. I would have also fired him for that underwhelming season finale.

So many other (older) shows have managed to deliver the quality (and action) that "Heroes" can't, with lower ratings and on lesser watched networks. So what the fuck is the problem here? Why is it so hard to make this show exciting? NBC fire Kring.

I still watch, hoping it will get better because I like the concept since day one. But the writing has taken a turn for the worst. The attempts to make the show socially relevant are just stupid. The Katrina and Immigration storylines shouldn't be on the show. Maya and Alejandro (2 actors who speak perfect English) could have easily been Latino twins already living in America. And while the girl who plays Monica is cute, you mean to tell me there isn't an African American actress out there who is athletic and can do her a good chunk of her own stunts? When Monica's stunt double appears, it is as obvious as when someone was thrown across a room on "Martin" you can clearly see it was a dummy. You know the physical plans for the role will just expand. So why not plan ahead and get someone who can handle it? It seems the only stunt she did on her own was the double dutch sequence.

Oh yeah, why doesn't Dexter have a talkback? Or hell, even Prison Break (not that those two shows are comparable at all)? If Heroes can have one, so should these. Blugh. Anyway, I'll watch tonight's episode as I always do... hoping for more improvement!

Oh yeah, and LOL @ "Possibly the best first season of any show ever."

Also, LOL @ "Glad I didn't jump ship on Lost last season to start watching this steamy turd." What, it's impossible to watch both? WTF? They aren't even on at the same time.

Packers 28, Broncos 10

Ok, I think the father is ripping out loopholes, but I think he's doing it to protect Sammy. The Devil (if it is him, see below) told Sammy that his secret dies with them (meaning Sam, his parents, Ben and Sock). So if Sammy finds an out clause, what if that means death for all five?

I'm also curious about why the Devil is so vehement against talking to Sammy's dead. I wonder if it's because *he's not the devil!* I'm not saying he's God, but what if the 'Devil' is one who took over after the previous deal with Sammy's dad (I'm thinking Piers Anthony's For Love of Evil crossed with Sandman), and the escaped souls are the result of the administrative overthrow, and the 'Devil' needs Sammy's help in order to shore up his own power.

Longshot, granted, but it'd be an interesting twist.

The issue is that they spend too much time with Ted and Candice, oops, Andi. Yeah, the relationship is cute, but they need to do less work and love related things (or at least do them less frequently) and spend more time on the baddies.

Season 2 has had it's problems, ratings are hurting, it's obvious to I think everyone but Kring, maybe he has noticed and it's too late to change some of these episodes, but I don't know. Things that I belive people want to see if a team-up on a regular basis, not just a season or mid season finale teamup where all of a sudden everyone gets togather and teams up but a total teamup, if they know Peter is missing why aren't they out looking for him, why isn't Ando seving as more of an "Alfred" figure, why are you only hinting at HRG basassness, why can't Hiro be fliting back and forth through time, I would be, not staying one place trying to fix things. Unlike some of you I am enjoying Micah and Monica's storyline but they need to speed it up a little, what we see in 4-5 episodes (intorduction of them, Monica's powe, and learning more about her powers could have esily been done in one or 2 episodes

while Heros isn't my favorite tv show, that belongs to LOST, as you can tell from last weeks episodes, I do enjoy Heros, and while this may sound strange coming form a LOST fan, hero's needs to speed things up and start moving a faster clip, the slow burn works well for LOST as it is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, Heros is a superhero show about well Heros, but we're not seeing much heroicness.

or maybe "Hide Until You Get Tired, Then Surrender to the Company"

His dad was a pig fucker.

Somerichs - her actual power is pretty cool, and I think the slicing/dicing of the tomato if fine since her power just kicked on while watching tv. Now I know the activities that they show her mimicking aren't the most exciting, but she's the least of the shows problems. The overall lack of intrigue/suspense/good writing is.

and who says hiro won't come back in real time?

It is a more comedic, male version of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" that isn't fruity like "Supernatural" (Which to me is a show more targeted to women). I am liking how the first season of "Reaper" is shaping up. The writing is good, and sure some of the effects can look hokey, but at least they fucking TRY to do stuff with their budget.

All of the actors are good and have good chemistry with each other. It's cool how "Spanish" from "Old School" finally got a steady gig.

And Ray Wise owns as Satan. His "Most Wonderful Time" Halloween commercial for the CW is fucking hilarious.

I'm surprised that "Reaper" is made by ABC's TV Studios but it's not on their network. It's definitely good enough to be on the Big 4 instead of wasting away at The CW.

The CW can't fucking promote their shows for shit. I always remember The WB always having decent ad campaigns with their stars. Now it's that shitty green backdrop with montages set to that escaped Pussycat Slore's music. Fucking awful.

sorry if I'm coming across grumpy, I was sick yesterday and am still not feeling great today, i spent about 8 hours yesterday watching s1 episodes and I think it's just made me cranky, at least I wasn't watching Newsradio S2, or Lost S1, in which I'd be comparing quality of those shows to the lack of quality in this season.

Damn that was waaaaay OT. That should tell you about the quality of this season of "Heroes" when people are using the talkback to talk about other shows.

BTW, his powers are working fine. He just hasn't chosen to return yet.

supernatural sucks.

bring back greatest american hero with justin long and william katt, or hardcastle and mccormack.

wears a green suit and gets killed by the startrek doctor the peter chocked.

sweep the leg!

feel free to continue the laffs, burgundy82.

but what is truly bothering me, is the DIALOGUE this season. "the flood didn't just take my house, it took my DREAMS!" bllleeeecccchhhhh...shite like that just burns my ears every time I hear it. how does Kring let this shit come out of the writing room and end up on screen? so bad. gone are the days of, "didn't I throw you out a window?", I hope they come back sooner rather than later.

oh, and buy some TSM stock. trust Wonka. you're gonna keep it for about a week and double your money.

Don't forget your seatbelt for tonights nailbiting episode.

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