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Angela Petrelli’s
‘Shocking Confession’??
HEROES 2.4!!

Getting pretentious by zacdilone	Oct 15th, 2007 06:47:04 AM
Only on TV or in movies would Peter NOT open the box. One of the things I enjoyed about last season is that people, in the midst of bizarre circumstances, acted like real people. Now they're acting like characters.
2nd? by KinjoAlcoholicNinja	Oct 15th, 2007 06:55:40 AM
meh
Second by El Cimarron	Oct 15th, 2007 06:55:41 AM
Second = The First Loser. Ugh
Also boring by Red Diver	Oct 15th, 2007 06:56:53 AM
Each episode has been at a snail's pace with nothing much going on. I'm hoping the individual stories start picking up this episode, but I'm not betting on it. And does anyone really care at all about the illegals getting into America storyline?
Peter may have lost his emo hair.... by KinjoAlcoholicNinja	Oct 15th, 2007 06:56:59 AM
But he still whines and moans like a bitch. What if I don't like myself? Boo hoo.
I like this. But it needs... by Kubla_Khan	Oct 15th, 2007 07:10:08 AM
...to kick things up a gear ASAP. Peter discovering his powers? Er - that was last season. Claire in high-school hi-jinks? That was last season too. Hiro in Japan? I'm bored. It doesn't seem to be adding anything - but I like the dude from Alias, despite the fact that he talks English like someone from the present, and not from 400 years ago. Still waiting for Jessiki to do anything interesting. And these new characters, with more on the way? The more there are, the less I find myself caring. They're even repeating abilities now? Why? So two flying men can have a face-off? So Claire and Kensei can have a healing competition? Get us back to just a few interesting core characters that we can give a shit about. At the mo it just feels like set-up most of the time with very little pay-off. What Heroes needs is to move as fast as its audience thinks, not foreshadow events for half a series and then expect us to be excited when something we've wanted to happen for ages actually does. And it's blatantly stealing from a whole host of other sources. All of that said: I watch it, and I enjoy it. The production values are great, the cast is generally pretty good. But I want to watch it and be blown away by the writing - and I never am. I have hope that it will really takes some risks this season though. Final thought - won't Hiro just be able to come back to the future, find out about his dad being murdered, and then just dash back and save him (and the others in the secret seociety?).
Waiting patiently for Veronica Mars: The Movie by MemBirdman	Oct 15th, 2007 07:32:14 AM
....just saying.
Is it next Monday yet? by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 07:37:32 AM
Cannot frakkin' WAIT for Kristen Bell. She's just the tonic Heroes needs to break loose from its slump.
ECCLESTON by indiebum	Oct 15th, 2007 07:46:49 AM
he's the one killing everyone. it's obvious.
spoiler alert by palewook	Oct 15th, 2007 07:48:29 AM
the latino twins chick will cry more black blood this week..yawn.
Wouldn't a 3-way with Deveaux and Sandra Bennet be spicier? by SpyGuy	Oct 15th, 2007 07:51:53 AM
As for the murderer, I'm guessing it's the immortal Kensei.
2nd season Heroes is a YAWNfest so far. by ATARI	Oct 15th, 2007 07:52:29 AM
If they don't pick up the pace and reveal some big season linking thread (like the bomb last season) by the time it goes on mid-season hiatus, then I don't see a reason why I should continue watching.
Remember when they were heroes... by tile_mcgillus	Oct 15th, 2007 08:07:00 AM
Now all they do is whine and bitch about shit. Its a little ridiculous right now. I mean, they whined and bitched before but now they don't seem to be doing cool stuff. Why not have the heroes fucking be Heroes. Claire pulling the guy out of the fire, Pyschic cop versus sadistic Hot Hulk Assasin type stuff. How about...Peter takes on the Irish mob. You know like comics. Where shit actually happens. Wiat im sorry, we have to watch the shitty mexican wonder twins cry for 15 minutes an episode. Theres just no time to actually do anything.
Angela Petrelli is ALF by CuervoJones	Oct 15th, 2007 08:23:24 AM
Shocking!
bring back Bryan Fuller! by Amy Chasing	Oct 15th, 2007 08:25:58 AM
Surely he can work Pushing Daisies and Heroes together. Please? Really noticing a difference in entertainment value so far, and if 204 is like the previous three eps then Heroes is sadly falling behind other shows that have started their seasons all guns blazing like House, Dexter, heck even Stargate Atlantis had a cool ep with 402. And when Stargate starts being more memorable than Heroes you know something's wrong. I used to rewatch each ep of Heroes because I could still enjoy it. Haven't done that so far this season.
Heroic and epic by CuervoJones	Oct 15th, 2007 08:28:18 AM
Candace´s bikini.
Blah, blah, blah... by Kid Z	Oct 15th, 2007 08:33:05 AM
... who cares anymore. This show's really hit the "sophomore slump" big time. They better do something drastic in the next few weeks or it's all over as far as I'm concerned.
what happened heroes? by Zoinks	Oct 15th, 2007 08:34:15 AM
seriously, what?
Here is the point in the talkback where by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 08:41:20 AM
Some rabid Heroes fan comes and says: "Gosh, guys, get with it. "This slow crawling, piece of shit is actually great and you are all to stupid to get it." ORRRR Could it be that Tim Kring is just a shitty writer that can only steer the boat in circles without causing waves? I mean, lets be fair here, between the Nissan Rogue commercials and the swarmy "missed connections" in this show like the guy the wonder twins running into driving away in Claires Rogue. Yeah, uh, Lost does that shit way better. Just let the advertising take over the show already and make it about the Nissan Rogue. I NEED MORE NISSAN!! Peace out.
Rabid Heroes Fan by Chilli815	Oct 15th, 2007 08:44:39 AM
So you want the big explosion of events, without the setting up that leads to the big explosion of events having some actual meaning?
Here is my reveal on the big reveal of Angela's by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 08:44:54 AM
I am guessing here, but it will be some sort of "Deal with Devil" type thing and now that they broke the deal, by not exploding New York, it has come for them one by one to take their life and ultimately destroy all of the world instead of just the .003 or whatever was to die when Peter exploded. Yeah, if this is true, all I have to say is fuck this show. OH and Tim Kring if you are reading this. Dont steal my idea. I want to use that for this killer show I am making about "real" people who get powers and dont bitch and moan about their hangnails while navel gazing and growing shitty looking beards.
Chilli815 by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 08:46:10 AM
What the fuck did your post even mean?
I think it's picking up by El Fuego	Oct 15th, 2007 08:51:39 AM
The first couple episodes left me kinda meh, but the last 15 minutes or so seemed to be moving in the right direction with Peter giving the guy the Force Choke and the stuff with Noah and Claire. If they keep building it should get really good, but they definitely have to start revealing some stuff. I've noticed a pretty strong parallel between this and BSG. They've been slowly revealing the 12 Cylons as a way to keep people into the show, but when they go a long time without revealing one (see most of Season 3) the show kinda drags and it feels like they're spinning the wheels. Right now Heroes has two of these going: The 8 paintings (2 of which have been revealed) and The Original 12 Heroes (Linderman, Mom and Pops Petrelli, Sulu, Uhura...) Start gradually showing us these things and how they tie into the big season's storyline and I'm a happy camper. Keep Peter in Ireland and Hiro in Japan with no meaningful resolution... and I'm not so happy.
One of the smartest shows got dumb by Darth_Nader	Oct 15th, 2007 09:02:43 AM
The great thing about last season was how smart it was. Either this season all of the brains are gone, or they are trying to get too smart on us. Peter not 'able' to get his precious memory box, then not wanting it is ridiculous. The Wonder Twins are stupid. Are we led to believe that no one EVER tried to take the plug out of the sword handle? Come on, get this thing moving.
Sylar's story intrigues me. by lagomorph	Oct 15th, 2007 09:03:23 AM
I think Sylar is the wild card that will keep me interested through the slow build up. I like the character a lot and though I'd have been happy to see him go down for good in the Season Finale, I wonder what they will do with him now. People's predictions that he will be a good guy seem unlikely at this point. I think the repeating powers motif is also interesting because this season seems to be about how the future is connected to the past and what it means for the heroes we do know now. If they make West a part of some young hero team that is recruiting Claire, then it'll all be worth it. Isn't that the direction they're going!? I mean if once the 12 original" heroes were united to do what they believed was right, as we know from Linderman's speechifyng, it makes sense that this motif too will be repeated by the young heroes. Possibly with similar results? I think that would be a great direction for Claire's story to go.
Yeah, this season is not working for me either by Drath	Oct 15th, 2007 09:19:44 AM
But I thouht last season's ending was LAME and no one agreed with me then, so I really don't know why people are just now getting that we aren't getting good pay offs to any of the lead ups. The action pay off in particular are worthless. If we'd all been harder on their finale last year, they'd have raised the bar instead of thinking their shit don't stink.
Why are we suprised it sucks... by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 09:33:22 AM
It is created by the guy that made Teen Wolf 2 and Crossing Jordan. I mean, TEEN WOLF 2 for Christ's sake. This isnt a big leap here. If your dog makes 3 giant piles of shit in your shoes, 10 will get you 20 that he will do another one in them again. I dont get why we keep coming here, scratching our heads going "Where did this all go wrong." Let me help, it was about the time that NBC said: "Heroes, brought to you from the imagination of Tim Kring." Collectively, we should have pushed away from the bar and said: "No thanks, I think I can drive home after all." Fuck this show.
could The Borg assimilate Hiro & his time powers? by Boomers_Lips	Oct 15th, 2007 09:35:41 AM
well could they?
I'm enjoying this season. by chrth	Oct 15th, 2007 09:36:01 AM
A couple minor quibbles (open the damn box, Peter! Why is Sylar without his powers from a chest stab?) but I'm digging it. I have faith.
by Omar B	Oct 15th, 2007 09:44:01 AM
Last week why Sylar killed that chick and she turned out to be a fat chic made me laugh, best bit so far the whole year. Still the show needs to step it up a notch and Peter needs to grow out his hair so I can imagine he's Nightwing with powers again. Oh, and where's the one nutjob who gets powers and decides to put on a suit and really be a superhero? You know there's gotta be that one guy.
Also, Hiro could've returned to the future by chrth	Oct 15th, 2007 09:47:10 AM
He chose not to.
Big Spoiler... by biggles2_22	Oct 15th, 2007 09:48:18 AM
Agreed crth, Peter can be such a pussy, "Sniff, I can't open the box cause I'm afraid of who I was. Whaaa!" Here's my big spoiler prediction...there are Heroes because their abilities are actually a virus. Good example, Hiro goes back in time and BOOM Kensei can heal himself. C'mon, the guy looks like he's pushing 35 years old and he's never been injured? I think the Hero Bug is a contagious virus and can also mutate and make the same Heroes sick. Just a working theory. Any thought?
Let's be honest here: by pk money	Oct 15th, 2007 09:50:45 AM
I think were all looking back at the first season with too much nostalgia. I think last season definitely picked up in the second half and the whole "Company Man" episode was great. But, there was a lot crap and "spinning wheels" to get through also. Heck I actually gave up on the show for a couple of weeks during the first season. So, yeah, with lowered expectations season 2 isn't bad at all. I'm just kind of rolling with it, like I did the first time around and I would suggest the same to everybody else. Oh, and Drath, I certainly don't think you're the only one who thought last season's finale was weak. I certainly thought so too, and judging by these talkbacks we certainly were not alone in that opinion.
Hero Bug by chrth	Oct 15th, 2007 09:57:14 AM
I wish I could credit who said it, but someone said last week that there's a connection between the three who have caught the disease: they go into people's minds (although I'm not sure what Shanti's power actually was). With that in mind, the next person to get it is probably Parkman.
chrth, Hero Bug by biggles2_22	Oct 15th, 2007 10:07:00 AM
I agree, but to clarify, I think the characters powers/talents are actually a manifestation of the "virus", possibly created by "the company". I'm starting to think that Hiro may be a carrier. !Awesome!(tm)
Cirth... by jerseycajun	Oct 15th, 2007 10:09:10 AM
I believe the implication with Sylar is that he's contracted the virus. That's what I got out of it.
chrth Re: Sylar by lagomorph	Oct 15th, 2007 10:17:21 AM
We knew he lost his powers when we saw his eyes cycle through the various people he killed in the finale. I bet he's some kind of databank that "crashed" so to speak and he lost everything. Same thing happened to my brother's PC and he lost all his porn. But much like, my brother, I think Sylar will be back in the swing of things in no time.
Kensei... by Cartagia	Oct 15th, 2007 10:33:25 AM
I, like most people, believe he is the one stalking around killing the Gen 1 heroes. However, I'm going to take it a step farther and say he's not just immortal, but he is the first "mutant" with an even greater range of power. Much like Apocalypse... and since Kring really pulled from X-Men last season it really helps make things make sense.
Dark Phoenix Peter Petrelli by zooch	Oct 15th, 2007 10:41:32 AM
I think the reason Peter force choked the guy and liked it is because he has a dark side. I think he might the killer. The box might reveal this.
Last season: by Kid Z	Oct 15th, 2007 10:52:27 AM
... first episode was interesting, fllowed by increasingly "meh" eps. Then Future Hiro made an appearance and things started building up. Then the hiatus came and when they came back, kinda "meh" again. By then, Lost, which was lame this first half of the season was getting really good again, and I paid less attention to Heroes. However, the final few eps were good, until the season ender, were everything was supposed to come to a crescendo, and just... didn't. It was a case of episodic series TV premature ejaculation, I guess. I was hoping they'd turn it around this year, but so far the writing has been horrible, the show fast approaching unwatchable. Sad but true, guys!
This season gets sillier and dumber with each episode by Newmark	Oct 15th, 2007 10:55:41 AM
Last week's episode was the worst so far. It basically underlined the idea that the show is gonna be more and more silly and stupid from now on. My guess is that Bryan Fuller had a huge influence on the show and because he left to do Pushing Daisies everything is falling apart. One of the most obvious plot inconsistencies: are we supposed to believe that Kensei never once noticed that he's a fast healer? You don't have to be fatally injured for that. Didn't he ever cut himself or suffered any minor injury, especially in that time and period? As a child, he never fell, he never had any bruise? Claire was already aware of her powers at her age, which makes sense; why isn't Kensei? West and Claire's makeout session was so dead of any real attraction, any chemistry, it was almost disgusting. The way Peter's body spit out the bullet was INCREDIBLY silly. I've seen this done 100x better. How about letting the wound slowly heal and the bullet being slowly pushed toward the exit and falling out when the wound is basically healed? This would have looked way better than his body tissue throwing out the bullet then retracting inside. The decision to place Sylar and Candace together was just plain retarded, period. Unless it's supposed to prove that Candace' bosses wanted her dead or were complete idiots - and I really doubt that was the intention of the writers. It was more of a lazy plot device than anything else. The storylines about the Latino twins, Jessinikki, Matt/Molly and Claire and family all suck so far. The Mohinder thing is pretty weak too. Also, the probability for the messages Hiro wrote to stay inside the sword for such a long time, since ancient Japan, without any of the newer owners noticing the engraving, is also very low. What, no one else noticed, or did they thought "oh, I'm not Ando, I should not open it", or "interesting, I should put these back in the sword after I read them". Lame. Overall, this seems to be a weak season, which becomes more and more silly and superficial with each episode.
Killer theory and questions by Leopold Scotch	Oct 15th, 2007 10:57:29 AM
I missed the first three episodes but I caught up today. As a result I missed the first three talkbacks and can't be bothered going through them now. Things which have probably been said before, but I'm going to say them anyway: seconds before Kaito got his death threat, Nathan accidentally bumbed in Ando while he was carrying Kaito's newspaper. Then he was the last person in the hall before his mum got her threat. And obviously, it would be easy for him to kill Kaito by jumping off a rooftop. But then in the next episode Nathan is talking to Matt when his mum is attacked. I think they just wanted us to think it might be him for a while because the clues have been too obvious for it to really be him. Hiro's theory about Kensei doesn't make much sense. He says that he's got to stay behind and correct history by making Kensei a hero. He says this as though Hiro's appearance made Kensei a cowardly drunk, and that he shouldn't have gone back and then everything would have been ok. Surely Kensei will only ever have been a hero if Hiro was always going to go back and train him? Confusing... But then again the time issues in season one didn't make much sense either (there's always going to be plot holes or paradoxes, like "how come Hiro still came from the future to warn Peter about the cheerleader if that future was wiped out by future Hiro actually taking that action? And how come future Biff was still able to meet young Biff in the fifties with that almanac if that very meeting ensured that old man biff would never exist in that form?) I suppose this is all well-travelled ground, especially in Heroes talkbacks, but what the hell.
Tonight's episode will be important in terms of ratings... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Oct 15th, 2007 11:02:38 AM
The ratings have been steadily falling since the premiere. So the general audience is apparently becoming bored. If things stay the same laggard pace, I doubt Kristen Bell and her bikini will be able to do much next week for the ratings. Heroes and Bionic Woman really need turn things around fast.
Also by Leopold Scotch	Oct 15th, 2007 11:02:57 AM
I like biggles' idea that the hero virus is contagious and that it's the virus that gives them their powers. That would explain Kensei's "sudden" ability when he met Hiro. I also agree that it's been pretty crappy so far but I have confidence that it'll get better.
Twins Are Now with Sylar by mparke2	Oct 15th, 2007 11:04:03 AM
If you look at the previews for this week, Sylar will meet up with the twins. What will this mean? Will Sylar be "healed" by the brother, kill him, steal his powers, then use his Candace powers to look like the brother only to manipulate his "sisters" powers? Or will the sister kill the devil in Sylar by doing the crying thing? I think the only thing that will keep the twins exciting will be their adventures with Sylar. Thoughts? Ideas?
This beter get better fast. by Yeti	Oct 15th, 2007 11:04:05 AM
Also? Brain Eater vs Crybaby the Wonder Twin. So if he stels her power does this mean Sylar will sob hysterically for his "brother" run and keill people with the black alien goo on loan from the X-files?
This beter get better. by Yeti	Oct 15th, 2007 11:06:18 AM
So BRAAAAAAAAAINS vs Suckybaby the Wondertwin. If he steals her pwer he'll be able to sob hysterically for his brother, run, and accidentally kill with the black alien goo on loan from the X-files.
Hmm double posting. by Yeti	Oct 15th, 2007 11:07:03 AM
How embarrasing. My bad.
Its not just the Deja vu stories getting boring by provider84	Oct 15th, 2007 11:22:58 AM
The Heroes need to start being Heroes. New characters have to be unique, we've seen flying and self healing....And Mollys dreams, im bored. Remember in Angel when Cordy was having visions/dreams of the Beast there was a feeling of impending doom, all i feel with Mollys dreams is the urge to give her a slap. The scene with him and Mohinder in the flat last week was so gay couple.
as a heroes fan... by soup74	Oct 15th, 2007 11:24:59 AM
i find myself kind of concerned that monday night im becoming more excited about the next episode of Quantum Leap than Heroes. did i say quantum leap? i meant journeyman. but the statement is still true.
Provider84 by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 11:26:45 AM
Exactly. Look, I loved this show last season, minus the season finale. But, there is a reason the ratings are plummeting. No one cares, including the writers. They all get in a room and basically throw darts at cards with ideas on them. "Hey, Peter stays in Ireland and does what guys? Throw another dart...oh, nice, he doesnt open the box. Guys thats genius. Lets all pat ourselves on the back." Fuckin retards. The guy who wrote The DeVinci Code writes better than this show.
HEROES by semisaj	Oct 15th, 2007 11:28:34 AM
Its obvious it is Peter who killed heroes Father...all the heroes are connected through time and the older generation are being killed off by the new generation! This show has slowly got worse after episode 17 season one ...which in my opinion was one of the best 45 mins of tv I have ever watched..Anyway I hope they turn it around as it has become boring..even Ando and Hiro seem slightly lame at the moment!!
Eclipse by lagomorph	Oct 15th, 2007 11:39:08 AM

"Save the Cheerleader's Father...Save the World"? by boba_rob	Oct 15th, 2007 11:45:19 AM
No?
Waiting for the EXPOSE episode... by JeffManSixtyFo	Oct 15th, 2007 11:50:45 AM
...where they bury the wondertwins alive by Nathan and Hiro.
Someone is killing the Heroes and this time its one of them?? by Series7	Oct 15th, 2007 11:57:12 AM
NBC, even though you kept saying Save the Cheerleader Save the world over and over again someone was killing the Heroes and it was Sylar the whole time. So pretty much this season is going to be just like the first one? I mean we've already spent time dealing with the Cheerleader not being able to be herself? And "seeing how far" her powers can go. Its like they are looking at each of the last years episodes going hmmm how can we re do this but with some minor changes? OH i know throw Peter in Ireland and give his brother a beard! Also I guess the cheerleader is SOOO upset that she can't be herself and get gang banged by all the varsity players. She is stuck with lamo stalker guy. And they better not kill Mr. Bennet, kill off someone who sucks like Greg Grunberg.
Heroes stopped being "real time," watchable after the ridiculous by Pound Sand	Oct 15th, 2007 12:02:10 PM
It's Season Pass Status on my TiVo, but may get bounced from there next if this shit keeps up.
Also Disappointed... by Pogue__Mahone	Oct 15th, 2007 12:06:58 PM
Man! This show has gone from being one of my favourite shows ever to being a show my buddies and I sit around watching, drinking beer and sorta mocking... The acting is getting dismal... the situations are ludicrous... most of the story ideas are being ripped STRAIGHT from the X-Men! The Quest For Mendez' Paintings? I liked it better when they were the 'Books Of Destiny'... a virus that kills on Heroes? Is this how Kring plans on leaving a television 'LEGACY'? This 'VIRUS'? The Irish accents are terrible (except Dominic Monaghan's... I grew up in Ireland)and my buddy thinks that Irish chick looks like Ron Howard's ugly brother. And Maya's 'Death Pheremone'? Isn't that Omega Red's gig? What? Twins who's powers work in tandem! That's original!!! The Fenris twins? Northstar and Aurora? Jeezus! Zan and friggin' Jayna!??!?! Meh! This show had BETTER get back on it's feet soon! From the general feedback here the fans are ALL quite disappointed! Myself included. I also think it's Kenzai killing the Old Gen, by the way...
chrth by ororo_munroe	Oct 15th, 2007 12:08:22 PM
I love you!(in a friendly way Mrs. Chrth and baby chrth) Seriously, when everyone is being negative you and I remain positive. Last week the negativity nearly brought me down.
Nothing really happened last season, either by Piedmont55	Oct 15th, 2007 12:22:27 PM
20 something episodes last season, and what really happened? A bunch of people got powers, and then we spent the entire season foreshadowing a bomb. Nothing happened last season, so I think it's silly to be disappointed when nothing happens this season, too. Also, I got the impression that Hiro didn't want to leave old-school Japan, not that his power wouldn't let him.
I wonder if Peter is going to be shirtless again this week? by Wed Vid Guy	Oct 15th, 2007 12:24:21 PM
Cuz that's HAWT!
Peters new power by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 12:30:30 PM
Apparently he absorbed someones allergy to shirts. Great. Way to take the homo-erotic to a new level.
Journeymen way better by greekopa	Oct 15th, 2007 12:33:13 PM
great show
New Heroes Catchphrase: "Improve the storylines.... Save the sh by TVguy4566	Oct 15th, 2007 12:38:52 PM

Oops by TVguy4566	Oct 15th, 2007 12:41:00 PM
The catch phrase got cut off..... Improve the storylines.... Save the show.
Kensei did not get powers until Hiro showed up by zooch	Oct 15th, 2007 12:41:35 PM
Hiro might have changed more than we had anticipated.
My problem with Heroes this season by odysseus	Oct 15th, 2007 12:45:16 PM
We spent all of last season anticipating the big showdown/team up that ultimatley happened (anti-climactically) in Kirby plaza. This year, the heroes are more scattered than ever throughout space and time. Do I really have the patience to watch them sloooooowly come back together again? PLUS... it seems as if none of the heroes introduced themselves to each other after Kirby plaza last year. It was like, "Well, we killed Syler with the help of those superpwered people standing over there. Let's just go back home to Vegas."
HEROES has gone off the rails... by sapno_krei	Oct 15th, 2007 12:46:20 PM
For a similar story done better, go pick up some 80s NEW UNIVERSE comics instead.
This storyline is only HALF the Season by mparke2	Oct 15th, 2007 12:52:49 PM
Don't forget that Tim Kring said that Volume 2: Generations is only half of Season 2...meaning this will end around December or January and Volume 3: _____________ will finish up the season. Then after that we will have Heroes: Origins so let's not get all depressed just yet.
Could be dark Peter by Purgatori	Oct 15th, 2007 12:59:30 PM
who is killing everyone. If he absorbed Jessica/Nikki's power like I said a while back...he could have split.
IT FUCKING BUILDS! by LordEnigma	Oct 15th, 2007 01:06:59 PM
Do you folks not have VOLUME ONE at the moment? If you do not... then go check it out. It was not until episode SIX --- EPISODE SIX -- that SAVE THE CHEERLEARDER - SAVE THE WORLD showed up on this show. Give it two more weeks. If it has not picked up by then with the reveal of KANE. Well... you have a reason to complain until then... NYAH!
The twins by TattooedBillionaire	Oct 15th, 2007 01:07:18 PM
are annoying. Outside of that, Heroes hasn't bothered me as much as most others. I still have hope that the writers know what the hell they're doing and will make everything worth while in due time. I hope I'm right. This is the only TV show I've bothered to watch since Angel went away, so I'd like to see the quality come back in droves.
Needs more superviolence by DirkD13"	Oct 15th, 2007 01:47:35 PM
In 202 Peter punched a thug across the bar, whereupon he bounced off a table. Now THAT was cool, i'll have some more of that please.
Explain by NudeandAroused	Oct 15th, 2007 01:53:57 PM
You know, for such an uneven, and, at times, ridiculously poorly written first season, I think some people are taking this show far more seriously than they should. This is a live action comic book. That's all. Sure, it is flat and nonsensical. What do you expect? 'The Wire?' 'Deadwood?' Come on. This show has never claimed to be one for the brain.
thats great NudeandAroused, but... by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 02:14:30 PM
Any superhero comic book has more action and powers than 5 eps of Heroes put together. Also, a comic book moves along more than this show. I wish people would stop using that rhetoric of "Well, its a comic book, lets not take it seriously." Why not take it seriously? Why not require that it be more than soft food for soft minds? I mean, I WANT Heroes to be the level of Deadwood, The Wire or even Lost for God's sake. Come on. Lets require more from TV than to sully our minds. Also, if you want to continue that argument then answer this: What is the difference between Heroes and the show Psyche? Answer Psyche has never once claimed to be a serious show. It is what it is: bubblegum TV, like Burn Notice. Heroes always claimed, through Tim Kring, that this would be a "ground-breaking season" Well, the ground is broken for overtly stupid television. Sweet.
My Two Dads by huh-what	Oct 15th, 2007 02:28:55 PM
You know a show is in trouble when they are stealing storylines from a Paul Reiser sitcom. Askholia makes a big point. Kring always stated he was doing this as a serious series in the mold of Unbreakable i.e. what if this really happened in the real world. If he had said this is going to be a lighthearted tongue in cheek fun show than you wouldn't have the critique's you are getting now.
I just don't like the fact that multiple people have the same po by President Plissken	Oct 15th, 2007 02:38:18 PM
Why so early into the series must powers be duplicated? Now Claires boyfriend can fly like Nathan? Lame. If you have to make him fly then why not give him "energy wings" or fly like Sam "Cannonball" Guthrie with a cool energy signature. Kensei heals like Claire? Lame. Just make it so he CAN'T be cut. He's a diamond like the White Queen. My friend said "Well multiple people have blue eyes, makes sense others would have the same abilities somewhere in the world, besides they would run out of powers real quick" Lame. No way they would run out of powers, just look at all the great or stupid heroes from DC, Marvel, JLA, Legion of Superheroes. I mean Bouncing Boy? Come on. Come on Kring, pull out those comic books you "Never read", bullshit by the way, or just ask one of the 15 comic book loving writers you've employed to steal from the comic book trough and come up with some better shit.
Heroes problems. by Bluejack	Oct 15th, 2007 02:48:46 PM
No one is asking for this to be Faulkner. Just don't rehash last year's plotlines. Don't push the reset button, and have the characters (besides Mo, Parkman and Noah). How the heroes would interact is the most interesting aspect of the show. I don't care if the have Zan and Jayna if they act like real people and the plot isn't trite.
BILL BELLICHEK IS THE HOODED KILLER! by Err	Oct 15th, 2007 02:53:33 PM
n/t
Yeah, I'm a big heroes fan, but after the finale and now this sl by Kraken	Oct 15th, 2007 03:02:57 PM
I'm starting to lose interest. Everything in the show was note perfect last season, until the final confrontation which was nothing. This season, more "nothing" seems to be the theme. I'm bored watching Heroes : Filler. I hope this show can do what LOST did and turn things around very quickly. Otherwise, I'm tuning out.
characters dealing with the same issues as last season by zooch	Oct 15th, 2007 03:05:07 PM
Probably because they are still the same people as last season and are still struggling with those same unsolved issues. Our characters must fight through these issues in order to become the heroes they are destined to be. It's a theme of the show.
Angela Petrelli’s Shocking Seceet by C.K. Lamoo	Oct 15th, 2007 03:06:08 PM
"I'm not wearing any underwear." As she recrosses her legs in a chilling Fatal Attraction moment.
Thank you "askholia" by typingaway	Oct 15th, 2007 03:06:43 PM
My thoughts exactly......it's as if you read my mind?(cue dramatic "Heroes" music) ;)
Saying they are building things up is an excuse... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Oct 15th, 2007 03:10:11 PM
Most of us agree that the start of Season 1 was uneven. But the show and its gimmick was new then. We are into the second season -- the producers should be building upon what's already been achieved and improving upon the flaws of the series' debut season. It's like they have not learned anything (or refuse to) and are content with a "soft reboot". So we're starting again with a slow, tedious build up to... what exactly? Another fizz-out of a season finale? (Or a lackluster mid-season finale in Episode 13?) That said, the best finale last season was the episode when Peter saved Claire.
Sorry, I meant "Basic Instict" or was in "Fatal Instinct" by C.K. Lamoo	Oct 15th, 2007 03:11:41 PM
or was it "Basic attraction"?
My problem...(besides really poor taste) by down75	Oct 15th, 2007 03:15:20 PM
I think Im actually going to watch I love New York 2 and record Heros for later. Thats just awful but speaks volumes to how bad Heros has gotten. ILNY2 is like my guilty pleasure since the days of Shanaynay on Martin I have always had love for the hood rats but used to be Heros got me through the week waiting for what was going to happen next. Now I just simply dont care as I figure Ill just be underwhelmed again. It would be awesome if Midget Mac had super powers then I could stop watching Heros all together.
A show doesn't necessarily need by veritasses	Oct 15th, 2007 03:17:00 PM
to have a known thread that ties everything together. But absent that it needs to pull us along at a fast pace or end each show with a compelling hook like a good cliffhanger or a significant reveal that helps us understand the show's universe in a new way. It's this fast, forward momentum/progress where new things/experiences happen that keeps us interested. Since we can clearly see plots moving from A to B to C, we don't necessarily need to know where it's all going or how everything is tied together (assuming of course that these plots are rich and exciting). It's enough that we implicitly know that the show is "taking us somewhere" because there is forward motion. Sort of like being on a fast moving train headed towards an unknown destination but which has breathtaking scenery. When the quality of the journey is high and enjoyable, we subconsciously believe the destination will be just as satisfying. Season two thus far has been slow moving and repetitive. We get that Kensei is a jerk. We get that Peter has amnesia. We get that the little girl has bad dreams. We get that the twins are having problems dealing with their powers and crossing the border. We should've moved on from those points long ago instead of seeing them repeated and stretched out over ~2 episodes. Add to that the bad writing (bad dialog, tragic flaws in logic, unrealistic setups, paper thin characters and relationships etc) and you get a bunch of really frustrated fans. If they're not going to hire better writers, they might want to consider chopping off some characters. Simplify things and write higher quality plots involving far fewer characters.
Ah, the old "give it time -- it's SET UP" rears its ugly head AG by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 03:20:43 PM
Same ol' folks making the same ol' arguments that it's SET UP, trotting out that sway-backed ol' mule ("save the cheerleader, save the world" didn't start till episode six!!!!) that they've rode into the ground since last week. They ignore, of course, as IAmMrMonkey noted, that the first five episodes LAST YEAR a)introduced us to new characters discovering their powers and, b) created some fear, tension, and suspense with the killer of heroes - Sylar - because "someone's killing heroes!" That sound familiar (the second part)? It should cause, apparently, if the well was good once, it will always be good. Obviously, these guys don't know they drank that well dry LAST YEAR. I guess the Heroes defenders (and don't get me wrong, I'm watching for a couple more weeks) think that by randomly spouting literary tenets around ("set up," "foreshadowing," "denouement," "third-person limited ominscience with symbolic irony of situation," uh, "onomatopoeia?" How 'bout that? That work?) some magical spell will be weaved whereby all sloppy writing and rehashed plots will mystically be forgotten. Well, not me, mister! Was it forgotten when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no! And it's not over now. 'Cause when the going gets tough... The tough get going! Now come on! Who's with me? Let's go! Arrrgh! What the fuck happened to the AICN I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts? Huh? Ooh, we're afraid to criticize Heroes. It might get canceled. We have to take sub-par writing just to have SOME kind of genre show! Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Kring, he's a dead man! Green, dead! Loeb...
I'm giving this show ONE LAST CHANCE TONIGHT by aceattorney	Oct 15th, 2007 03:22:15 PM
to prove to me that I should watch the rest of the season. If not, I'll have my Monday nights free for Xbox.
GIMME A BREAK PEOPLE! by cs1510	Oct 15th, 2007 03:22:57 PM
Everyone that is saying "this season sucks, this season is crappy, this show has jumped the shark" need to STFU. Seriously. Shows go through slumps, ESPECIALLY in the second seasons...get over it. 24 went through a similar slump in the second season, and the 3rd and 4th seasons were fucking awesome. Give the show a chance people. Giving up on a show this fast is why good shows never last. Loser wannabe fans need to wake up and be patient! I'm sure they will turn things around.
Does everyone have a short-term memory problem? by I Own You	Oct 15th, 2007 03:25:31 PM
The first few episodes of Heroes season one were no great shakes either, but they built up the story for the later (what should have been a great, but wasn't) payoff. Season two isn't a big hit with me either right now, but I'm willing to let them set up the story lines, which they hopefully won't squander this time.
Rehashing plots/ideas by veritasses	Oct 15th, 2007 03:26:27 PM
isn't such a bad thing in TV/movies. Happens _all_ the time. It's the execution and delivery which matters. People wouldn't be complaining if the show delivered. Well, ok. Some AICN TBers would be complaining but it wouldn't be nearly this many.
cs1510 by sapno_krei	Oct 15th, 2007 03:27:39 PM
I'd say ths crappiness started in the last few eps of Season 1. A promising development with Claire's dad wound up being a dud (his mind was wiped, but he was back in Claire's life in just a couple of episodes), and it all led up to one letdown of a finale.
Heroes has become by Trik_Ster	Oct 15th, 2007 03:30:18 PM
the poached egg of the genre Completly bland
It's like people want their stories by zooch	Oct 15th, 2007 03:32:51 PM
set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE. There are shows like that. Heroes is not one of them.
Someone call a Whaaambulance... by biggles2_22	Oct 15th, 2007 03:37:49 PM
...for the TB haters of this show. It's one of the best shows on tv at the moment. You know it. Saying the story is moving slow is bs as well. One of the main characters lands in 16th century Japan and all you can do is whine, piss and moan about the storymoving along. Peter pulls a Darth Vader on the engineer from Enterprise and the show's lame. Whaaa Whaaa Whaaa!
How can we be expected to care what you say... by slone13	Oct 15th, 2007 03:47:16 PM
...when you knowingly use that non-word 'meh'? Do you really not possess the intelligence to come up with even a short sentence that would be able to convey your true feelings?
Here's yet ANOTHER thought by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 03:50:10 PM
Last year, we started the season with a group of individuals discovering their powers. We saw how it effected each of them, how they reacted, how they discovered each other and others, building to the less-than-climactic climax. Right? We can all (even the season 2 Heroes defenders) pretty much agree on that. One of the key points seemed to be "how would normal people react if they suddenly could fly, disappear, shoot frickin' laser beams outta their asses?" Whatever. And we kinda saw that. Although MOST of the reactions (with the exception of breakout character Hiro) were the same - fear, hiding, repression, trying to maintain a secret facade. Right? So, big (or not so big finale occurs. One would think that the events of last season would have affected every character, changed them, made them different. Thinking differently, acting differently. The problem is that NO ONE thinks or acts differently after the events of last season. Not only are we, the audience, doomed to repetitious rehashs of last year, but we've got the exact same characters who experienced all that shit last year acting EXACTLY as they did PRIOR to the events of last year. Claire still trying to hide and "fit in" in high school. Noah still trying to keep secrets. Niki still keeping a low profile and on the run with Micah. Hiro still being an over the top, gung ho "do-gooder." Matt still trying to be a cop and using his powers to catch the "hero killer" -- AGAIN! You get the picture and most of you have provided more than enough evidence of this. My question is why the fuck isn't anybody any different following all the shit that went down last year? Lazy, sloppy, plot rehashing writing - that's why! What? NOBODY wants to try to have a little fun? Nobody wants to try something new -- steal some shit, fuck with people's lives, rescue somebody, make some money, be a celebrity, get even for a past wrong! NOBODY!?!?!? No, of course not. Because you can't rehash the same stale ("it's SET UP") plot lines from last year if Niki (who ran a web peep show) decided to become a tv strongwoman. You can't run the same stale rehashs if Nathan decided to fly around righting wrongs in honor of Peter... If Claire decided to steal from the rich to give to the poor... If Noah decided to tell the world about the Company... If amensiac Peter popped up in the Brazilian jungle leading villagers against terrorist rebels. Why the fuck is everybody still exactly the same as last year (I know, I know -- "it's SET UP") DESPITE LAST YEAR!
Ah, Zooch, king of the Non Sequiturians returns by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 03:59:45 PM
Despite the fact that abso-fucking-lutely NOBODY has asked for "their stories [to be] set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE," Zooch responds as if that's all anyone here has said. No character development or changes following last year's events? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." Plot is a repetitious rehash of last year? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." New Wonder Twins boring? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." Hiro's storyline sagging? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." Powers are QUICKLY duplicating despite a UNIVERSE of comic superpowers to draw from? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." Show seem to be spinning its wheels in the same parking lot as last year? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." Anybody order a large pepperoni with extra cheese and buffalo wings? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." Zooch, it's definitely good to hear from you. I know. I know. "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE."
because people in real life don't change that easy by zooch	Oct 15th, 2007 04:04:19 PM
This is a show that tries to show realistically how people would react if they suddenly were given powers. People with problems in real life don't change so easily. Think about LOST and how long it's taken for those characters to change who they were before they were put into the sitation they are in now.
Hey, Zooch, I just spilled some matches by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 04:04:37 PM
How many are there on the floor? "It's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE." Well, for YOUR information Wopner's show was set-up, solved, and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE. So there!
You know the show sucks when.... by richier123	Oct 15th, 2007 04:05:56 PM
The talkbacks went from 90% fanboys / 10% haters last season, to about 10% fanboys / 90% haters this season. I loved the series, and still do, but between a lame ass season finale, and this slow ass start, things are looking dull. I won't stop watching the show though, unless it gets unbareable. [br] Also, Heroes is not known for being smart and setting up elaborate plots. It was good because it had 3-episode story archs, with good payoffs (more-or-less the counter-point of Lost).
Shark Jumping by PotSmokinAlien	Oct 15th, 2007 04:07:22 PM
nobody is saying this show jumped the shark. they are saying the quality is poor. in my opinion the big difference between this season and last season is that the show moved really fucking fast last season, often unpredicatably so; if i wasn't feeling a particular plot point i would quickly be relived by its resoultion or development and rarely would said development be what i was expecting. THIS season on the other hand nothing has really developed over 3 episodes, and what little has happened is callable from a mile away. the thing is though, i watch this shit to unwind and am not demanding fucking citizen kane (or the watchmen or the sandman, if you prefer). this show has always seemed a little goofy and lame to me from the very beginning, and yeah i preferred it when it made me go "oh shit!!!" once every couple of episodes, but this is not some drastic heartbreak i am suffering from. one more thing, i really do think we are in for something big at the end of this; i doubt the writers/execs did not realize how upset everyone was with the utter lack of climax in the s1 finale. here's hoping, anyway.
ELVIS if the characters were to do the things you suggested by zooch	Oct 15th, 2007 04:10:22 PM
that would be completely UNCHARACTERISTIC of them.
Zooch, it's been MONTHS on Heroes if not a YEAR by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 04:11:51 PM
And NOBODY has changed AT ALL! Nobody?!?!? At all?!?!? Lost has covered like, what, three months? Come on. You can do better than that. Teenage kids go through six stages in a year of NORMAL high school. These guys gain superpowers, try to hide, discover others like them, discover an older "community" of heroes, stop a serial killer, save some lives, die, return from the dead, travel through time to the future, and save the world and they're all (including the teenaged one) EXACTLY the same a YEAR later? Awww, that's not sloppy writing combined with a lack of imagination! It's people don't change so easily! Of course. Why didn't I think of that?
if it sucks that much... by biggles2_22	Oct 15th, 2007 04:12:41 PM
...then I won't be seeing the same lame-ass posters next week. Will I?
Heroes Disassembled by Trik_Ster	Oct 15th, 2007 04:13:59 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2fvjew
fuck it, since i'm here... by PotSmokinAlien	Oct 15th, 2007 04:16:12 PM
someone theorized that kensei is actually a younger linderman last week. i think that is a very good idea and i will tell you why: before linderman's power was revealed last season i had a theory that his power was being able to see all of time. that is how he 'made' things happen in the future for people-- ie, he didn't actually make them happen, he just knew about them. so he'd tell nathan he'd make it so the election would come out in nathan's favor in order for nathan to owe him something when really, he just knew it was going to happen and told nathan that he had made it happen for him. if though, he had inherited the power to move through time from hiro back in the day, he could actually be travelling to specific, history-altering points in order to make what he says he's going to make happen, happen. even if this is not the case it would be great to see linderman back in some form; after such a prominent role in s1 i was really bummed to see him die (and in such an incredibly, incredibly anticlimactic manner).
The reset button by sapno_krei	Oct 15th, 2007 04:19:24 PM
Part of me is thinking (okay, hoping) that the characters' regressions are due to something as yet unshown that happened after the Season 1 finale. (Is it possible that ALL of the HEROES' minds have been wiped somehow?) If that turns out to be the case, it would bring the show up a few points, but it would take one hell of a twist to forgive these first 3 snoozers.
How do YOU know what would be uncharacteristic, Zooch? by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 04:23:36 PM
I mean, people (and hopefully by extension literary characters) are complex. Full of contradictions and unexpected surprises. Sometimes they do the most shocking things. Housewife wins lottery, divorces husband, leaves kids, vanishes in the Caribbean. Loving father of three snaps and stabs co-worker to death. Purse snatcher dives into freezing river to rescue old lady. Charity worker cheats on taxes. People (and hopefully by extension literary characters) are surprising animals who do the most unexpected things at the most inopportune times. Unless, of course, they're on Heroes. In which case, no earth-shattering event or globe-spanning calamity will ever cause them to CHANGE or reveal a different aspect of their one-note characters. Ever. Because, see, last year, Nathan was determined to win an election at, seemingly, ALL COSTS. Nonethess, he sacrificed himself to save NY and his daughter by flying his brother into "space." So, of course, devoting himself to the memory of his brother by exercising his power to help others (as his brother suggested at one time) is totally UNCHARACTERISTIC. Growing a beard, resigning from office, and be a bum until the writers GIVE him something to do (bet it's a rehash) -- THAT'S the Nathan we know. The examples are endless and your UNCHARACTERISTIC argument is sophistry at its best.
Look at me, I can BOLD (my bad). And, biggles2_22,... by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 04:28:01 PM
In case you only learn by repetition, I will be giving Heroes two to three more episodes and then I'm done if it hasn't improved VASTLY. Two to three more episodes and then I'm done. Two to three more episodes and then I'm done. Two to three more episodes and then I'm done. Didja catch that? So, if it hasn't improved, I'll be right here criticizing the once-promising show. If it has improved, I'll be here on an ongoing basis. Basically, you'll only have to read my criticisms for three more weeks at most. After that, I'll not bother with Heroes. That okay?
So they've encountered the Black Oil from the X-Files, right? by NoPIX	Oct 15th, 2007 04:31:34 PM
RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
biggles2_22 LOVES TEEN WOLF TOO by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 04:43:34 PM
Jesus, why dont you just suck on Kring's cock some more. Please defend Heroes, Crossing Jordan AND Teen Wolf Too, which was written by Loeb and Kring. Let me guess, was Teen Wolf Too a good representation of what lycanthropy would be like in the "real world." You, my friend, are an inveterate idiot.
get real by zooch	Oct 15th, 2007 04:53:15 PM
so it's unrealistic for someone to go into a drunken stupor after killing their own brother. But to decide to go around fighting crime, that sounds much more realistic. Heroes has always tried to be realistic, honestly I don't think you like that very much. I don't think you like this show or it's "one-note" characters at all so we have to wait two-three weeks (hopefully) for you to STFU.
Time to put you bitches in your place ;) by LordEnigma	Oct 15th, 2007 05:02:00 PM
I mean that in the best way. Honestly but Monkey said; "...before the "Save The Cheerleader" storyline kicked in, the episodes before it were used to introduce us to the characters. They didn't realise that they had powers at that point and so the episodes showed them realising this. Also: the Linderman references connected the characters in the early stages of the show." Are you really not get the point with Kensei? Seriously... this is LOST all over again. Once everything is on the table -- hopefully -- you will get what's going on. If you cannot wait. If you cannot be patient. Well maybe you should watch something else on at 8/9et. Nevertheless; we have a storyline so far this year... it's the past made a bargain, could not fulfill it, and now KANE IS KILLING THEM. "This year we have absolutely nothing like that. Now that the characters are aware of their powers, the early episodes should be exploring something other than 'Oh! I've got a superpower!' all over again. Peter's learning his powers. All over again. Claire is learning about her powers. All over again." Yeah... pay some attention to the show to realize that they ARE NOT RELEARNING. Claire cut-off her toe to prove a point to herself that she is someone whose more evolved. While Peter is doing what fucking NEO did in Reloaded: LIVING IN FUCKING DENIAL. He wants to hide away from what his powers mean and the responsibility they care. Since people like you (possibly) most likely hated the Matrix sequels and may piss on Josephy Campbell iconograpy, but Peter is not relearning. He's hiding. Once he stops hiding and decides to face his destiny. The next volume should be interesting. "The writers haven't given us any new characters worth caring about either. Who've they added to the Heroes universe? Superman's little brother (who - interestingly - displays the same stalker nature as Superman himself in Superman Returns) and...um....two very annoying Mexicans." Yeah not a stalker in Superman Returns, but you reconfirmed my statement above. Nevertheless; the boyfriend has been tagged, and will easily share with Claire what her dad did as HRG. Again... it's building and the SICKNESS TWINS are going to aid Sylar. So... again... give it a chance. "You can't just do the same thing twice in a row which is what Heroes is doing. Even 24 - a show that is primarily about stopping terrorists from unleashing some sort of bomb every season - manages to do something interesting with the formula every season. Heroes is giving us season one again with no differences at all. There are a series of paintings that tell the future! Claire is suspicious of her dad! Peter is trying to figure out who he is and what he can do! Blah blah blah." The paints are a way to keep Issac's memory alive on the show, and demonstrate that he knew a lot more than he ever let on. Again... your complaints build and create a mystery, but you are still bitching. Your bitching is poorly thought out and a bit brattish, but the show is building to something. If you disagree... good for you. If not... then... yay! "Look, I loved Heroes season 1 and I really want the writers to make me eat my words. I want to come onto a Heroes TB in a couple of weeks and say 'I was wrong!' Will it happen? It's not looking likely." Again the past sold out the future and the past is having to pay for not living up to it. Kane has yet to emerge. While the ONE is hiding like a bitch in Ireland, and his Niece (real-life girlfrield) is beginning to pull things together. While Matt and Mohinder are totally gay for one another. So... again... give it time.
DAMN YOU LACK OF PARAGRAPH BREAKS! by LordEnigma	Oct 15th, 2007 05:03:34 PM
Yeah... that good response went to balls. Nuts.
I predict by Trik_Ster	Oct 15th, 2007 05:13:34 PM
that missing/lost Issac paintings will turn up at least once per season, as long as the show lasts
About ratings by History101	Oct 15th, 2007 05:14:04 PM
Week 2 "Chuck," 5.1/8, 6.6/10. "Heroes" 5.2/9 for "Journeyman" Week 3 Chuck 4.5/7, Heroes 6.4/9. "Journeyman 4.5/7 Not that much of a drop off for Heroes... considering it was Columbus day.
LOL, LordEnigma by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 05:19:00 PM
Have no idea what you wrote 'cause I avoid big paragraph posts like the plague. Still funny response to your own self so guess I'm gonna give it a look-see.
I reckon... by DirkD13"	Oct 15th, 2007 05:23:57 PM
....Tobolowsky is the hero killer, or is at the very leasy affiliated with him. It could be a red herring I know but he's so brilliantly creepy and is the most welcome addition to the second season. It seems like their saving the budget so far, hopefully for some genuinely fantastic butt-kicking down the line. The writing does needs some serious sharpening though.
they're not their by DirkD13"	Oct 15th, 2007 05:25:11 PM
Don't drink and type kids
woohoo! by robosushi	Oct 15th, 2007 05:28:58 PM
I didnt see ali larter's names in the stars for this episode. always makes me happy
Dammit, Zooch, you can't really be this stupid by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 05:36:32 PM
Nobody said "it's unrealistic for someone to go into a drunken stupor after killing their own brother." Nobody said that at all so why don't YOU "STFU" (an abbreviation I abhor that is apparently exercised only by belligerent assholes who can't think of an intelligent defense or witty repartee). "[T]o decide to go around fighting crime, that sounds much more realistic" was also never said by anyone but you. Again, I say, you can't really be this stupid. This fucking MUST be an act. "Heroes has always tried to be realistic?" Well, fuck almighty. That's the first semi-intelligent thing I've seen you post and, for once, we agree. But then you have to go and say that you "don't think [I] like that (realism) very much." Really? You're going to go with that? Your final answer? After numerous explanations and analogies related to the complexities of real people juxtaposed against the one-note wonders of Heroes, you think I don't like realism much? Damn, dude, can you just note read? Or is it a matter of comprehension. You "don't think [I] like this show or it's "one-note" characters at all?" Well, you really are as stupid as they all said. You don't seem me posting shit on here about the Bionic Woman do you? That's a show I abhor. How about Chuck? Nope. Another show I abhor. Lemme try Dirty Sexy Money. Huh-uh. Desperate Housewives? Nope. Rescue Me. Nix. Law & Order. Nay. All these shows I dislike and, therefore, do not bother watching or posting about. Heroes, on the other hand, I've gone to great lengths to profess my love for season one about, gone on the record as sticking around about three more episodes of season two, and you "don't think [I] like this show?" Well, aren't you just the little dimwitted, inbred, fucktard! One does not have to blindly accept rehashed storylines and a complete lack of character progression while shouting "STFU" at honest criticism to "like this show." If I didn't "like this show," like Ugly Betty, I'd never give it the time of day, you quick-witted Einstein. Had I "trolled" along with "this show sux" and "get a life geeks" maybe I could see your point, but your post smacks of the incoherent ramblings of someone with cottage cheese for brains - no logical thought, no insightful musings, just knee-jerk idiocy at its finest. Ah, Zooch, don't try so hard! You had me at ""it's like people want their stories set-up and solved and delivered in a neat little package all in ONE EPISODE."
Sweet Home Chicago at the Crossroads by NudeandAroused	Oct 15th, 2007 05:38:32 PM
Really, I hardly think that Monday TV, be it 24, Chuck, Daises, Reaper, or Heroes, really have much to brag about. None of the shows have any sense of realism or seriousness that "The Wire" or "Deadwood" really have. All of the shows are/were novelties. They will wear out. The British have a point with limited series. Maybe American TV should follow that. Sorry for the off topic title, was listening to Clapton.
Heroes is a good show with medicore writing by filmstu2005	Oct 15th, 2007 05:46:42 PM
Every now and then u do have an "Oh shit!" moment. BUt the season finale was bad. And so far, the logic in the way the scenes and the characters are set up, are actually illogical in a real world sense, as far as human behavior goes. I agree, Kring is no god. Why does NBC act like this guy is such a genius? His writing isn't all that, proof? The Heroes Series finale. Seriously, after a great year how could u fuck that one episode up? So many inconsistencies that leave everyone wondering WTF and they have to explain their plothole to us in an interview. I want Heroes to present Heroes: Shock Value and Really make us crap our pants in surprise. I agree, i love the show, but they are reapeating the exact same storylines from last season. It seems that no one's moved forward Except Mohinder.
Monica played by Dana Davis and Kristen Bell's Character by filmstu2005	Oct 15th, 2007 05:48:08 PM
I hope u guys like these characters because it seems they may be the only ones to pull this show back out of the flames of Hell.
Thanks ororo by chrth	Oct 15th, 2007 05:52:29 PM
I'm just not a negative person. If I don't like a show, I stop watching; sometimes I go back (I dumped BSG right before the debut of the best character of the show, so thankfully I went back to it), but usually I don't. Also thanks to all who participated in the SNL TB, that was fun.
Really boring this season by BrowncoatJedi	Oct 15th, 2007 06:18:15 PM
And it still rips off Watchmen, X-Men, Rising Stars, and Lost.
Lord Enigma, having read, I shall now respond by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 06:23:19 PM
"Once everything is on the table -- hopefully -- you will get what's going on?" It's NOT a matter of not "getting" what's going on. We're not all fucking Zooch here. We can watch, understand, analyze, criticize, and the whole nine yards all on our very own. It's not a matter of "waiting" or "being patient." Fuck, man, how many people have to post for you to get that? Most people criticizing this show stuck around the ENTIRE LAST YEAR for the Sylar "battle." The criticism has little to do with "why aren't they having the climax NOW,...uh, NOW,... no, wait, NOW,... uh, NOW... It's matter for the upteen-billionth fucking time of poor writing, lack of character progression, repetitive storylines, duplication of powers, uninteresting new characters, and flat "new" stories. Nobody here DOESN'T get that we "have a storyline so far this year." We can see and understand that we're watching a new season. We get that it's after last season. The criticism is (AGAIN for the upteen-billionth fucking time!!!) the poor writing, lack of character progression, repetitive storylines, duplication of powers, uninteresting new characters, and flat "new" stories. Now, "KANE IS KILLING THEM," you say? Wow, what a cool, novel approach to the new season! Some mysterious unknown character is killing the heroes! Only this year, wait for it, wait for it... He's killing the OLD HEROES! See, that's like totally fresh, new and exciting! In fact, it's not just crazy; it's CRA-ZA-ZY! Puh-fucking- leeze! "[P]ay some attention to the show to realize that they ARE NOT RELEARNING?" Right. 'Cause "Claire cut[ting] off her toe to prove a point to herself that she is someone whose more evolved" is absolutely nothing like "Claire jumping off a tower to prove that she is someone who IS more evolved." What a cool novel approach to the new season! See, that's like totally fresh, new and exciting! In fact, it's not just crazy; it's CRA-ZA-ZY! Peter is "LIVING IN FUCKING DENIAL?" Yeah, and he ain't the only one. You and Zooch tell the Pharaoh that we all said 'hi.' (By the way, you lost, like, thirty credibility points by referencing The Matrix. Seriously, dude.) "The next volume should be interesting?" No, dude, that's where you're fucking wrong. THIS VOLUME SHOULD BE INTERESTING and SO FAR, it's not. Superman "[n]ot a stalker in Superman Returns?" Yeah, your definition of stalker is quite different from mine, most peoples, and the judicial systems definitions. Hanging around outside your ex-girlfriend's house and using your superpowers to spy on her and her new husband and their child? Stalking, dude, but, hey, tell J-Lo we said 'hi.' "[I]t's building?" Uh, okay, but saying that and guessing at a future direction ("the SICKNESS TWINS are going to aid Sylar!") does NOTHING to allay the poor writing, lack of character progression, repetitive storylines, duplication of powers, uninteresting new characters, and flat "new" stories NOW. "[O]ur complaints build and create a mystery?" No, dude, wrong. Again, very, very wrong. Our complaints build and add ANNOYANCE to our lives and DISENCHANTMENT with this show. I've yet to ever have a complaint "build and create mystery." Last time my boss told me I was doing a shitty job, the only mystery that was built and created was whether or not I was gonna still have a job next week. The only mystery that is built and created with our ongoing complaints about Heroes is whether or not it's gonna still have any viewers in a few weeks. [O]ur bitching is poorly thought out and a bit brattish?" Seriously. An analysis of how this season mirrors last year, how the characters are flat and show no progression, how the new stories and characters are uninteresting, and a multitude of suggestions involving (almost all) better directions for season two are "poorly thought out and a bit brattish?" This from the side with "it's SET UP," "you must not like this show," and "your complaints build and create mystery." Yeah, "our bitching is poorly thought out and a bit brattish." Right. Now bear in mind that "our bitching is poorly thought out and a bit brattish," when I bring you, LordEnigma, to your final charge -- "give it time," you say. Despite the scores of posts stating that Heroes "has just a few more weeks" (a measurement of time, I believe), you ask us to "give it time?" Yeah, dude, WE'RE the poor-thinking brats. Right. Go, Neo!
Heroes: 10 things i hate about you by Aramel	Oct 15th, 2007 06:27:55 PM
1. Nathan Petrelli's Vagina face; 2. Hiro being gone, while he has the ability to time travel to the moment he left; 3. Claire having to have an accident or self mutilation every episode, maybe her real power is super-clumsiness; 4. The wonder twins - may as well turn into a Gorilla and an Ice Laser; 5. Niksica - Why are you still here? You should hide out. Like... forever; 6. Sylar/Peter - just can't kill people dead anymore these days. These guys better have a good reason for magically being alive (Peter saved by Leprechaun magic tm?); 7. Molly Parkman. Oh. I am so sacred. They'd make a lovely commercial for Mortgages or something. 8. Peter Petrelli, kinda smelly - OOoohh.. you so wanted to know who you are, then the next day you don't care. What are you, a girl? If you don't want the only thing that was keeping you in 'Ireland', then step off; 9. Angela Petrelli not mentioning anything to anyone about what the crap is going on. What's your big secret? That you shaved your pussy the day before Nathan grew a super beard? 10. Nobody is growing or being interesting, it's like all the heroes died before the season finale and now I forget Heroes is even on because it's so lame. This is all I have to say. Please read the next talkback.... now.
Aramel by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 06:31:17 PM
Best post EVER! That shit is the mad notes!
Aramel and Evlis are Right by filmstu2005	Oct 15th, 2007 06:37:04 PM
The show's too repetitive, illogical, and too many plotholes. I wish it would be better. Plus, they need to work on the action choreography as well as the director that shoots the scenes b/c they're terrible.
Elvis Cole Lives by BennyL	Oct 15th, 2007 06:41:34 PM
Holy jebus man! Each week it's a thesis from you, brother... Wish I had your passion about a television show...
LOL! by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 07:08:54 PM
Thanks, IAmMrMonkey. I AM Kensei. Hiro brought me from the future where I'd already READ your post and used it to help pre-formulate a response to LordEnigma. All the real work was done by you and Hiro! ;) And now we travel back to fix the past and make this season better! Until then... bows and !POP!
testing... by Newmark	Oct 15th, 2007 07:14:09 PM
Paragraph 1. Paragraph 2.
My name is Elvis Cole Lives by Future Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 07:24:32 PM
I'm from the future. I have a message for you. I don't have much time. I'm risking a rift just by coming here. The season. You have to save it. It's the only way to prevent everything. Listen to me. The show can be saved. The AICN critics. They must be listened to. They know. When they tell you, you must do what they say. The writers told many times how they felt when the show was canceled. Before it all ended. This is what you've been waiting for. Be the ones we need. Start the rewrites; save the season.
Die Wonder Twins Die by Trik_Ster	Oct 15th, 2007 07:48:26 PM
This show did not need 2 more chars that you have to read almost all of their dialogue
KENSEI=LINDERMAN: BANK ON IT. by Stormwatcher	Oct 15th, 2007 07:57:55 PM
Guys, think about it. Linderman can heal people, we never found out if he could heal himself, but its possible. Kensei can heal. It has been rumored he is immortal. So I guess the two things add up. That or he's the hoody wearing bad guy. Or both! Time is the fire in which we burn. -Only good line in Star Trek Generations. Well that and Data swearing.
DAMN YOU WONKA! by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:00:31 PM
:)
Journeyman! by localhero12	Oct 15th, 2007 08:04:23 PM
I'll keep watching just because I have nothing better to do on Monday. I do love Journeyman though! Chuck sucks.
The power of !BEARD! by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:04:47 PM
Better on Nathan than Jack Bauer.
Definite Possibility of Kensei Being Darth Hoody by Elvis Cole Lives	Oct 15th, 2007 08:07:08 PM
Wouldn't count on that being Linderman, too, though. I could certainly see Hiro returning in a couple or three episodes, leaving Kensei behind, and getting a look at the newly completed torn picture and recognizing Kensei.
OK, one more question, then... by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:07:21 PM
Does Sylar have his own airline to suburban Vegas?
Duets -- by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:08:56 PM
Mohinder and Raffe!!!! Warming up the Zune right now!!!!!
"I need $65!" "That's funny, so do I." by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:10:49 PM
Classic. :D
Yeah, right, Mama P. by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:12:54 PM
...
Why do I find Micah so boring and his New Orleans Family by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:14:43 PM
So darn entertaining!!! They are gold!!! If only K-vill was that good!
Well, that was a quick shave job, wasn't it? by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:16:29 PM
I mean, seriously...
God, this is awful by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 08:20:37 PM

If Kensei is Linderman -- which he probably is -- by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:22:57 PM
Can we stop having the crying about the sword hilt not being opened for 400 years. Kensei would be on order not to open it from Hiro to let Ando have it. Hiro will figure out he's Linderman.
Sylar is about to rip them open by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:23:32 PM
Sorry Maya and Miguel.
Viva El Norte Sylar. by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:24:56 PM
Blood in the Rogue!!!
Good thing the Beaver Shack only advances managers by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:26:07 PM
based on a test!!!!
Her special power is by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:27:25 PM
Next Food Network Star!!!!
can't read the TB yet! by BadMrWonka	Oct 15th, 2007 08:27:29 PM
my west coast ness always ruins it for me... I echo the sentiment that even slow and not as good Heroes is still worth watching. just frustrating that without Fuller, there seem to be more eye-rollingly bad moments of dialogue, and a few more "why the hell would that character DO that?" moments...but I have faith. I also miss the hell out of studio 60 on Monday nights. Journeyman is Memento for the TV, great premise, but not all that much substance behind it.
Well, that's it for me. by CatVutt	Oct 15th, 2007 08:27:58 PM
I gave it shot, I was actually looking forward to see where they went with this season. But I'm done. This is stupid. And worse, it's boring as all hell. Trite situations, not taking the existing characters anyplace interesting, introducing completely worthless and painfully written new characters...Anyway. To those who stick with it, I sincerely hope it gets better, for your sakes.
The jig's about to be up...or not. by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:28:17 PM
Stoopid HRG Guy...
Library - Oceanic Museum - by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:28:33 PM
She's running out of study locations.
Needle Nose Ned is in the club by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:30:38 PM
PARKMAN IS IN DEEP!!!
In reference to the ad at the top and top right by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:31:27 PM
I'll show you my 12 inch Palpy figure!!!
Can we have a New Orleans character that doesnt... by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 08:32:59 PM
become a caricature by mentioning Katrina. I mean, Katrina was a terrible event, but it seems disrespectful to keep using it to propel shitty characters. Oh and her power is like the girl Hiro was in love with. She can recreate things she sees. YAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Did you notice by sitchin	Oct 15th, 2007 08:33:57 PM
That English-speaking Kenzai guy is in that photo they just looked at. He was the guy with his head turned.
We have seen more powers in the first 1/2 of this episode by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:34:40 PM
Than the first 6 episodes last year. Things are starting to roll. I take it back, another K-ville NBC news stock video essay.
The cornball meter just went cuckoo for cocoa puffs crazy... by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:35:43 PM
Yikes.
He's screwing her ROYALY by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:37:25 PM
This is going to end messy.
This is boring by TheOctapickle	Oct 15th, 2007 08:37:36 PM
No Hero? No Peter? No reason to watch.
Flyboy by Trik_Ster	Oct 15th, 2007 08:38:12 PM
with emphasis on boy
Saturday Night Main Event by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:38:38 PM
Commercial on at the break. I called it first!!!
COnfused by lecter1914	Oct 15th, 2007 08:39:32 PM
Im confused. I thought one of the big deals last year in 5 years gone was that Parkman's son was indeed his son and HRG was protecting himi because he had an unknown power. Someone correct me if Im wrong.
Why.... by localhero12	Oct 15th, 2007 08:39:38 PM
couldn't they have just started the season with the end of Season 1? They did with Hiro Put the heroes in desperate times on the run even though they just saved the world and then throw the new villain on them. This four months later crap is boring!
So Monica knew about Micah's power.... by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:39:50 PM

Cousins with Benefits by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:39:54 PM
....
Daddy is the bad man!!! by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:41:47 PM
FREAKIN SWEET!!!
I was wrong... by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:42:13 PM
It was, 'he is the nightmare'.
matt father is nightmare man by majortom25	Oct 15th, 2007 08:42:26 PM
matts father is nightmare man.
woo by sitchin	Oct 15th, 2007 08:42:35 PM
Parkman's dad is the nightmare man, now that's interesting. By the way, what is the technical name for that half-DNA symbol thingy?
Shouldn't Mika be out murdering? by Blood T Cat	Oct 15th, 2007 08:42:40 PM
Him and his little buddy.
Ya im really sorry guys... i've followed this every episode by wolvenom	Oct 15th, 2007 08:43:13 PM
but I'm giving up on it for now. I dont think I'll be following it for awhile. Ill keep checking back up on this site though... please let me know if it actually gets decent and they pick up some writers who can follow basic plot lines and character development. The writing is terrible. Somehow I bet they don't even edit the scripts before they send them off.
by lecter1914	Oct 15th, 2007 08:43:19 PM
I really think they are playing up the Parkman and Mohinder relationship for laughs. THey are rather gay with Molly now.
OK, I admit it! by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 08:44:18 PM
Parkman's father being the bad guy is a cool twist. But for God's sake, get rid of this trit Dawsons Tree Hill crap with Cheerleader freak and West. And for God's sake, please stop with the Katrina references. WE GET IT!!
This is the best episode this season... by commiepinko	Oct 15th, 2007 08:44:30 PM
...no Peter or Hiro to disappoint us
Lecter - by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:44:51 PM
This is my Dad, and this is my Other Dad!!!!
ok...this is slow going by mcordy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:45:18 PM
more claire and "fly-boy" crap..."Oh you CAUGHT ME!" This is LOL bad. The only cool part was rolling over the guy in the road and it's "Gabriel".
by lecter1914	Oct 15th, 2007 08:45:53 PM
LOL@ Jimbo. But seriously, am I the only that thinks the Parkman's kid not being his is a huge continuity gap?
West is Related to Claire by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:46:01 PM
Watch. Yucky
Middle School Milo! by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:46:50 PM
Nathan's new power -- Dorian Gray vision on unbroken mirror.
That God Damn old man always Kicks me. by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:48:14 PM
Fuck me up the Goat Ass.
"There are killers in the car." by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:48:46 PM
If only you knew, dude...
Photographic Reflexes - Outstanding by D_T	Oct 15th, 2007 08:50:03 PM
Just sayin' :^) Best EP so far this season!
There's that super cockroach again... by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:50:55 PM
Ick.
Hate to burst the new girl's bubble by The_Fredo	Oct 15th, 2007 08:51:08 PM
...but there's plenty of work in New Orleans. There's not a lack of jobs, particularly in the hospitality fields. BTW, horrible outcome to Parkman's situation: Wife cheats, pregnant with another man's baby and he has to go cross country to deal with it??
why is parkman's dad being the villain a really good twist? by wolvenom	Oct 15th, 2007 08:51:12 PM
you talkbackers are really too easily amused... here's a ball of string talkbackers! isn't it colorful? pretty? Most of you who say you still like this show would probably be just as easily amused by watching paint dry.
Golly! by D_T	Oct 15th, 2007 08:52:13 PM
Zach rules, hahaha! He's like a demented Clark Kent.
I think it's a stupid choice, actually... by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:52:33 PM
Now it's up to the show to explain why he's the Big Bad. And wasn't the uber-villain supposed to be revealed next week?
I picke up anything I watch on TV by jimbojones123	Oct 15th, 2007 08:53:06 PM
is a pretty cool power. I'd totally know how to poop the largest crap ever after watching South Park last week.
BIZARRO ZACH by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:53:15 PM
Word!
Don't fucking call it K-Ville. by s00p3rm4n	Oct 15th, 2007 08:53:25 PM
Goddamnit.
I like heroes so far by majortom25	Oct 15th, 2007 08:53:27 PM
I think people will look back at this episodes and like them better after seeing the second half of the season. I think there might be more going on in these episodes then we see.
Best Ep this season is... by askholia	Oct 15th, 2007 08:53:44 PM
still not something to write home about. I mean, this episode is pretty sucktacular. But, it is better, that is true. But, fuck, this Claire stuff is awful.
8 minutes until our very first look at ElleBell... by Pennsy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:53:56 PM
And it can't come soon enough.
Enough by mcordy	Oct 15th, 2007 08:54:02 PM
....with the cockroaches!
for what it's worth by sitchin	Oct 15th, 2007 08:54:52 PM
She didn't actually point to Parkman's dad. She just looked at the photo and said, "He's the nightmare man." Kinda ambiguous. It could still be blond Kenzai.
Ultimate Villain by The_Fredo	Oct 15th, 2007 08:55:25 PM
I still think the ultimate villain will be Takezo Kenzei.
I just picked up that by localhero12	Oct 15

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