They could save more money by stopping crap shows, supporting good ones.

Comes down to this: The only thing Fox actually does is CANCEL things.

The smart corporate decision would be to let fans have access to clips etc so that you have an enthusiastic base promoting your shows and DVDs for free. But by imposing strict conditions on licences and copyright material you make it harder for fans to spread the word. Now, instead of public screenings where Fox get paid a licence fee there will be private screenings which won't pay Fox a fee at all. What kind of corporation is so obsessed about controlling their products that they would turn down both licence payments and free publicity?

Vern...I agree. Also there's a movie called Zoo about horse fuckers. They're not just horse fuckers though, they're horse LOVERS. It's insane. These people die by horse dick (literally). Like gay horse on man love. There's groups of them that congregate and well...they bring their horses.

Every time I hear about things like horse lovers and Buffy sing alongs I think of the last line from Se7en. Morgan Freeman's voice haunts me.

Holy shit Vern, get back on those meds.

Maybe the Rocky Horror creeps and the Buffy singalong hermaphs need to have a duel to the death - two freaks enter, one freak leaves. Or maybe no freaks leave - that would be great.

Sure it may be weird to go to sing alongs, but is it really more weird than sitting on this site and arguing with each other?

Live and Let Live, Post and Let Sing....

Me, I am enjoying my tabbed browser, with multiple talkbacks open--who is more worthy of pity?

Maybe I will go outside.....

Baseball = National Pastime

so there IS precedent, rmA, magi's gross misinterpretation notwithstanding ;-)

not cool, dude, not cool!

funny though, just not cool....

I'm not afraid to admit I love watching Angel and Buffy and read the comics. Nor am I afraid to admit that the singalongs aren't a bad thing, geeky thing!

Chromedome, hit the nail on the head when he say it the TB'ers thats probably lacks more social skills than the fans or non-fans that goes to these singalongs!

Dance, Monkey-Trolls, DANCE!

Pervo: A Whedon talkback wouldn't be the same without you. You and Tom B. should put out an album (Tom doing background harmoniZzzzzzing. Watch out Manhattan Transfer!

Vern: Of all the Charlie Brown's I've met, you are the Charlie Browniest. Wishy-washy motherfucker. If you are going to insult someone, give it to them straight. Good Fucking Grief. Be a Lucy.

PS: Equinas told me that horse cum tastes like hay!!!!o

As for Joss popping up to throw his two cents in regarding the embargo (if you will), I find it interesting that he immediatly addressed the kerfuffle about the "cease and desist" about the Sing-a-longs to Buffy, but has not mentioned the huge rumour regarding a Serenity 2 from a couple of weeks ago. As I said then, no news could be good news!

The first line of said post: "I was not insulting these freakos."

As we say on Intenet, WTF? And you say you're Whedon fan enough that you liked Alien Resurrection? Sure that isn't just a sign of incredibly bad taste on your behalf? You mentioned in your first post that you were appalled that folks in line with you on the opening day of Serenity were boasting about how many times they saw it that day. Tell me, were you simularly appalled when you heard the EXACT SAME BOAST when you were in line to see Phantom Menace on opening day? Or were you even geek enough to do that?

I didn't see Serenity on opening day, but when I caught the last of the preview showings in my area, there was a "Ballad of Jayne" sing-along and I wasn't in the least surprised or appalled. I just wished I had known the words well enough to join in! You act as if you've never attended an opening day showing of a movie with a huge geek/cult following. I've done it many times and quite frankly the on-the-edge geekiness is part of the fun. I've actually been a little disappointed when there WASN'T such behavior borne of exuberant fandom, or the reactions of some in the crowd made it plainly obvious they were there for the spectacle of it all and not because of a deep and abiding love of what we were all there to see. Leaving the disturbing intrusion of bestiality in your first post aside, your contributions to this talkback bear the same level of bizarrely elitist distain that gave rise to the term "Trekker," because some Star Trek fans looked upon the self-entitled, pointed-ear-wearing, Vulcan-saluting "Trekkies" as "freakos" and didn't want to be referred to with the latter term. Well, I hate to break it to you, and of course no offense is intended, but not only am >I< black, Mr. Pot, you're not looking so pale yourself there. You should either learn to take some alleged excesses like spontaneous sing-alongs in stride, or only go to nice, safe, calm and dignified events that honor your favorite science fiction and/or fantasy franchises.

If you can find one.

Where do you live? Seriously, I don't think you could get that many people naturally so attired and weighty in any city. Maybe in LA, if you put out a CASTING CALL.

I bet you actually got the same 3 guys once a week.

Way to extrapolate, dude.

And you could find no way to take advantage of that?

Anyone else would have been glad of the free advertising. Which makes me believe you are fabricating the whole story.

(a) you have no credibility

(b)you kind of prove the opposite point, since the crazy fans are merely your fantasy

So your response to effectively free advertising (that got people into your store, not advertising for a product a year and half away) was not to recognize that Here Are Some People New To Comics--they don't understand that it will be a while, but in the meantime I can introduce them to some others they might like, even some by the Same Author.

One of the reasons I went to comic stores instead of ordering online was exactly that--the knowledgeable salespeople could suggest new things to me based on my interests.

Yet you were a "damned good salesman" who "never though[t]" to do that....

That dog don't hunt....

As with almost any product out there, there are a segment of the fans that are incredibly passionate. The rest of us get painted with that same brush by people who seem to want to pick a fight (coming into a TB about Whedon material and spewing venom).

I am a fan of a lot of Whedon's work, but not only Whedon's work. I don't dress up, I don't go to Cons, I don't go to singalongs--but I don't go trolling to hassle those that do.

I don't go into Talkbacks about shows that I hate, don't watch, and/or never will watch again.

I will complain about episodes of shows, or shows in general that I am watching and want to be better (last season of 24, Bionic Woman), but I don't go into the weekly SNL talkback just to hassle people who watch and enjoy it.

But, you apologized, and only meant to be funny. That shows some class, sir, and I for one, accept your apology. I also hope you will accept mine if I was overly harsh toward you.

peace

"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.

Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,

None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,

"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.

But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,

So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view

While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,

Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl

I make no personal claims of being non-judgmental at all: actually, the best I can usually do is avoid situations in the first place. Hence the no Cons, Costumes, Sing-a-longs for me.

Sounds like you are more comfortable in situations that I would not be at all.

cheers!

I guess if there are enough of anything, it can be considered normal.

"Put a DAMN SHIRT over that painted beer belly you nutjob!"

oops, was that out loud?

cool!

What the hell, let's give it a shot.

Anyway, I think we both like BSG, and that ain't no small thing...

Was it the greatest movie ever? No. Was it a great movie for fans of Firefly: yes, in many ways--it gave us some closure that we wanted on the story arc, it was a nice bit of In Your Face to Fox, etc.

For me, the "greatness" of Serenity is as much about it origins as it is about telling the story the fans wanted told.

I think it is good to have, as DeNiro's Capone said, "enthusiasms". We don't all have the same ones, nor need we. And thank goodness for that! We can all pick and choose from a variety.

And we can all probably agree on this: Keel Haul Fox!

Buffy: the moment of the reveal that they had brought her back from Heaven, then entire episode Hush

Firefly: the "I KNEW you let her kiss you!" moment from Our Mrs Reynolds, the entire Out of Gas episode

BSG: Baltar's torture scene, the entire 33 Minutes episode

ST:TNG: Picard's slow recovery from assimilation, the entire Worf "discommadation" episodes

on and on...

let's hope Buffywrestling is right, and that Joss's silence on the matter means negotiations are underway.

You and Shuttle_pod finding common ground and getting along really made my day! All teasing aside, that is awesome.

As for Live's "Poor Joss" comment, I don't really feel that sorry for him. I believe he has shown that he doesn't really like input regarding his art (from producers, networks, or actors). I mean, he'll take it, if he has to, but he doesn't really want to and gets a bit stubborn about it. It's an attitude that makes the business hard for him. A bit Diva, a bit protective. Still, when he gets as much free reign as possible, he really hits his stride.˙

seriously, how cool is that?

Big Damn Cool, Sir.

Ain't It Just...

What's that Freudian quote about the 'narcissism of small differences' or something like that? People tend to feel extreme discomfort or even hatred when they see someone like themselves who's goes just a bit further in one direction. I've certainly experienced it (it's the 'there but for the grace of God go I' syndrome. For Buffy fans, it's Xander's reaction to Andrew). You might want to consider that, Vern - as your extreme reaction to Browncoat singalongs seems a bit telling.

And whoever drew the sports analogy, right on! I look around me at mainstream society and I see the same (if not more) level of obsession, attention to detail, arguments over these details, and crazed fandom at sports as I do with genre entertainment. It's really the same behavior but directed towards a different object of obsession, but sports fans are considered 'normal' because sports is accepted and supported by the mainstream, while genre fandom is considered 'nerdy' and 'freaky.' I think everyone has the potential to be an obsessed fan. Pick your poison.

Right Zero?

Dance for us, Monkey-Trolls, DANCE!