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Pumped by parabola99	Oct 4th, 2007 02:54:51 PM
...for this. Johnny rules.
me thinks me trousers are tenting by biggles2_22	Oct 4th, 2007 03:00:18 PM
down tent down!
hey by vicnameless	Oct 4th, 2007 03:00:54 PM
Sweeny Todd trailer!
Now this looks very promising. by Klaus Herzog	Oct 4th, 2007 03:01:37 PM
Depp and Carter in full on goth-mode, Rickman in full on villain-mode and Burton in full on dark and wacky-mode. It just realized now what immense potential this movie has. Let's hope the singing isn't too bad. Oh and Sasha Baron Cohen is in it, too!
sweeeet by Mike_D	Oct 4th, 2007 03:04:13 PM
i cant wait
looks like a complete mess by vicnameless	Oct 4th, 2007 03:04:27 PM
and thats too bad.
Methinks 'twould be better by Dark Knight Lite	Oct 4th, 2007 03:05:11 PM
without the singing. We'll see.
Monte Cristo by Spartacus Hughs	Oct 4th, 2007 03:07:57 PM
?
Depp Sings!! by honestune	Oct 4th, 2007 03:09:19 PM
Uh, let's just say I'll be there, but I'll be bringing my pals Mr. Trepidation and Mr. Reservation along with me.
gleeeeee by drave117	Oct 4th, 2007 03:16:24 PM
That made me happy in all the pants ever.
all I know is that i'm going to see this movie by degikrinbakedirfuvkeit	Oct 4th, 2007 03:16:28 PM
Then I guess i'll make my judgement. But as long as it's a Tim Burton movie, staring Johnny Depp at that, i'm there!
Looks great, I too worry about the singing... by Bungion Boy	Oct 4th, 2007 03:16:35 PM
I love the musical so so much. It's one of my favorite musicals, and one of my favorite plays, period. It works so well on stage. I just don't know how the musical transitions will play on film. I can't wait to see Burton's direction and this cast, but it's very different to see someone break into song on a stage than it is for in a film. Especially with this material, I just worry it will feel weird and unintentionally funny.
Looks like by Jaws Wayne	Oct 4th, 2007 03:17:02 PM
a dazzling return to form from Tim Burton, very, very nice. Shit, even Hans Gruber is in it.
i will undoubtedly see it... by blckmgk13	Oct 4th, 2007 03:19:57 PM
but let's be honest... Johnny sounds like he is just channeling Jack Sparrow. Now if he had that intensity and seriousness to the last two pirates movies, they may have actually been damn good. Instead he brings it to a movie about a barber. C'est la vie.
Standard verison looks like shit! by erichaislar	Oct 4th, 2007 03:33:30 PM
I have VHS Taps that look and sound better then that. Why the Fuck won't the quicktime versions work?
Whatever happened to Quicktime? by Gozu	Oct 4th, 2007 03:39:23 PM
Like nothing is released in regular old Quicktime anymore. The only trailer I distinctly remember seeing in Quicktime on the Apple site is "No Country for Old Men" and even in standard definition it stands heads and shoulders above this Flash shit.
That looks amazing. by El Scorcho	Oct 4th, 2007 03:51:48 PM
I can't wait to see this. Depp's tiny bit of singing sounds fantastic, as well.
What about the singing? by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 4th, 2007 04:00:52 PM
...you'd barely know it was a musical from this trailer... Johnny sings a few lines, but this musical has A LOT of singing in it... I can only guess that Warners wants to de-emphasise the fact that it's a musical... ...which is too bad cause I would have liked to hear a bit of it in the trailer... Swing your razor wide, Sweeney! Hold it to the skies! Freely flows the blood of those who moralise! Attend the tale of Sweeney Todd! He served a Dark and a hungry god! To seek revenge may lead to hell... But everyone does it, if seldom as well... as Sweeney As Sweeney Todd, the demon barber of Fleet... ... ... Street!
Depp can't sing but the movie looks Pretty by Proman1984	Oct 4th, 2007 04:03:14 PM
Count me excited
Eh, won't be better than two seasons ago on Broadway by McGsStepson	Oct 4th, 2007 04:06:22 PM
...or the original.
I suddenly want a meat pie... by JustinSane	Oct 4th, 2007 04:10:04 PM
...and a shave.
ok, that was strange.. by jig98	Oct 4th, 2007 04:10:12 PM
it basically looks like chocolat, charlie and the chocolate factory, the libertine, corpse bride, pirates 2, edward scissorhands and 300 all meshed into one fucked up looking movie. i didn't know sweeney todd actually kills people. i was told differently. johnny depp has been on a roll since secret window and this may be a surprise critically and commerically come christmas.
Looked alright til he started warblin!? by FILMFUNK	Oct 4th, 2007 04:11:03 PM
and Depp looked like David Dickinson the early years
RETARDED - STUPID & DUMB by hatespeech	Oct 4th, 2007 04:11:17 PM
those are the first three words that come to mind. I'll pass on this garbage.
they can NOT edit this! by StovetopStuffin'	Oct 4th, 2007 04:11:41 PM
this had better make it through unchanged. I want a Sweeny Todd with a hard R!!
Don't worry about the singing. by Larry of Arabia	Oct 4th, 2007 04:13:10 PM
Steven Sondheim approved Johnny Depp after hearing him sing. Sondheim is very protective of his scores, and a prick about the about that kind of thing. Remember, this is the man who bitched out Madonna for ruining his Dick Tracy songs. She was bigger back then than Johnny Depp is now.
Mrs. Mooney has a pie shop... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 4th, 2007 04:16:20 PM
...does a business, but I notice something weird... lately all her neighbours' cats have disappeared. Have to hand it to her... wot I calls enterprise, popping pussies into pies... Wouldn't do in my shop... just the thought of it's enough to make you sick... (and I'm telling you them pussy cats is quick!)
I turned it off when I saw the dreamworks logo by skiff	Oct 4th, 2007 04:19:50 PM
I don't like musicals and don't support whore film studios
hatespeech: by Datascream	Oct 4th, 2007 04:20:53 PM
Your name and post clearly reflects the depths of your intelligence. You sir...are a tool. Thank you and good night.
I'd have liked to have heard more singing. by filmicdrummer17	Oct 4th, 2007 04:24:34 PM
No, seriously. Huge fan of the musical. I have my reservations about Depp, like everyone else, but if Sondheim approves, I don't know why I can't. This looks great so far. I'll watch Alan Rickman in nearly anything.
HORRIBLE by AlwaysThere	Oct 4th, 2007 04:25:53 PM
Congrats on the movie bombing this Christmas.
I concur with Datascream RE:hatespeech by slone13	Oct 4th, 2007 04:27:11 PM
If those are the 3 best adjectives your mind can conjure up, it speaks loads about you actual intelligence. Put your head back up your ass where it belongs, you dumb douche.
Damn. by deaddovedontoeat	Oct 4th, 2007 04:33:53 PM
I will give it a chance, the story and everyone involved deserves a chance, but right now I's struggling to see the musical in this film. Nice looking film though, but Sweeney Todd needs singing (no, not the 'sustained talking' that Depp did in the trailer, that wasn't singing), and until I see it I refuse to let myself get excited; I'm still getting over the disappointment of Across the Universe. Please pleasantly surprise me this Christmas.
Fuck yahoo, it's on youtube! by Gluecifer	Oct 4th, 2007 04:40:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =svP3HsJB5ng&mode=user&search=
Looks great! by jimmy_009	Oct 4th, 2007 04:42:11 PM
Or at least it would if it was in Quicktime.
NICE! But... by CrimsonGenesis	Oct 4th, 2007 04:48:35 PM
... I would have liked to see some Giles in the trailer. Tony Head IS still part of the cast, right? It's looks awesome either way. The atmosphere that the trailer generated was incredible.
Hmmmm... by VERY METAL	Oct 4th, 2007 04:51:42 PM
Could be good, i'll no doubt watch it but i can't see it being as good as the version made by the bbc a couple of years ago but hey it's still a great story.
Tim Burton..... by VERY METAL	Oct 4th, 2007 05:01:03 PM
Is one of the few people who i would trust to make this a good film, i hope i'm not wrong on this.
This Years Captain Jack on Crack by Chiziola79	Oct 4th, 2007 05:02:18 PM
I said it first motherfuckaaassss
I'll hold off judgement on the singing by Zorak5	Oct 4th, 2007 05:04:31 PM
But as far as visuals and acting go from the trailer, this looks like it could be Burton's best movie in years. I haven't really liked anything of his since Sleepy Hollow, but this looks like him doing what he does best.
boooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiing by ironic_name	Oct 4th, 2007 05:04:46 PM
pass.
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borat by ironic_name	Oct 4th, 2007 05:16:33 PM
is past his use-by date. make a jew-pie outta him.
BORATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! by hiperaktiv	Oct 4th, 2007 05:21:52 PM
lol borat is in this shit. wicked.
Interesting! by buffywrestling	Oct 4th, 2007 05:27:43 PM
I really had no feeling about this before but they have captured my attention with that trailer. It looks wonderful and I love Evil!Rickman.
Well, that COULD be good except... by Jedi2dope	Oct 4th, 2007 05:45:56 PM
ITS A FUCKING MUSICAL. BARF
I had my doubts... by Artifakts	Oct 4th, 2007 05:49:21 PM
but they're wiped away. Looks very cool.
anchorite by ironic_name	Oct 4th, 2007 05:55:18 PM
you are that moron from the redacted tb, right? if you weren't, I'd care. well I wouldn't, but i'd appreciate the post. jew!
hmmm, what da'ya' know...looks like a good Burton flic. by future help	Oct 4th, 2007 05:56:33 PM
been awhile. The last one i really liked was Ed Wood. Here's to the posible fortune of Sweeny.
thanks for the heads up, nosferatu jones by ironic_name	Oct 4th, 2007 05:58:08 PM

and that IRON MAN poster looks sweet. by future help	Oct 4th, 2007 05:59:52 PM
feel good about that too.
Hmmmmmm... by Bobo_Vision	Oct 4th, 2007 06:04:44 PM
A bit gloomy. Looks good, but I hope there's some humour in it.
This is what we pay those guys for.. by Alfred_Packer	Oct 4th, 2007 06:07:41 PM
Depp and Burton Goth, Alan Rickman villiany, Spall chewing the scenery, Helen Bonham Carter needs a good nap, Sacha Cohen poncing around, good music, and British accents. Looks totally satisfying, I can hardly wait.
That's an awful lot of not singing by CherryValance	Oct 4th, 2007 06:10:35 PM
are we sure this is still a musical? sigh I'm uncertain again. I'll still be there opening day although my face might not be pressed up against the glass doors waiting for them to open. I thought it would be.
this cracks me up. a by SeattleMoviegoer	Oct 4th, 2007 06:18:23 PM
this cracks me up. a musical...an operetta no less...with a preview that features practically no reference to music at all. this is like seeing a SPIDERMAN or TRANSFORMERS trailer without one single shot of CGI or a comedy preview with nothing funny going on. the industry STILL has a huge phobia with the musical. they are terrified of not grabbing that typical demographic of young adolescent men. well, guess what, they won't be coming to see it anyway. the PIRATES crowd will realize its a musical and scram. who are these marketing people at Warners? what are they afraid of ...going after this movie's actual demographic...adults? (and face it, Aint it Cool guys, you're not the audience for a musical) they did something similar with PHANTOM. you didn't see one person singing in that trailer. this is idiocy beyond reason.
Tim Burton's corny style by pencil-man	Oct 4th, 2007 06:33:54 PM
Yeah, the TB can produce style wth his alliegent phalanx of art directors, but Bruce Almighty does that look and feel like a cornball of bad acccents and worse music. And, the flutes or whatever in the music going bleedle-de-deedle-dee-deedle-d ee-deedle at the end after the title: fucking clown shoes.
I don't know... by wampa 1	Oct 4th, 2007 06:34:26 PM
...but it sure smells good!
WTF is up with the hair and the bell noise by PotSmokinAlien	Oct 4th, 2007 07:28:44 PM
dude sweeny looks like the Hot Topic version of johann sebastian bach.... and that bell is from the Cliched Movie Sound FX 101 cd. this shit ought to be coal black, no fucking wink wink BS. but tim 'planet of the apes' burton hasn't had it for years, camp is the only thing he knows how to do anymore. this movie will be a disaster.
My name is Sweeny Todd and I shall have my vengeance! by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Oct 4th, 2007 07:39:03 PM
I'm tired of Depps Jack Sparrow schtick. Well, I say tired, I never liked it in the first place.
The reason for little singing in trailer. by Prespez	Oct 4th, 2007 07:39:51 PM
Actually overheard at Blockbuster: Girl 1: Have you seen Dreamgirls? Girl 2: Yeah. G1: I heard it was a singing movie. G2: Omigod! They were always singing! I was like..."Can't you just say it!" G1: That's really annoying, i'll probably never see it. Most musicals have very little singing in the trailer now-a-days. With Chicago and Dreamgirls they were able to show performance numbers, because it didn't look like actors were just singing. Sad but true, but it doesn't mean the musical numbers are bad.
Looks awesome!! by supersize	Oct 4th, 2007 07:46:03 PM
Except for the singing
Oh my christ! by Mvraiment	Oct 4th, 2007 08:21:09 PM
I just got goose flesh. This is going to rule more than watching Sondheim back a toyota over Andrew Lloyd Weber fat bloated untalented carcass.
nice cinematography by Rupee88	Oct 4th, 2007 08:33:54 PM
not sure about the rest of it...will wait for the rottentomato rating...
This one's got me simultaneously... by Childe Roland	Oct 4th, 2007 08:35:55 PM
...excited as hell and scared shitless. It looks almost perfect. The setting, the characters...except for Depp. Don't get me wrong. I love the guy. I think he's a hugely talented actor. But he's not a huge guy. And every Sweeney Todd I've seen (from George Hearn to Kelsey Grammer and a few in between) has been a monster of a man with a big, booming voice. He was as much visual menace as he was viceral maniac. I don't know. This is going to take some serious getting used to.
Someone told me by MetiphisLabs	Oct 4th, 2007 09:31:45 PM
That they heard Sacha Baron Cohen couldn't sing his parts properly so he raps them? Is this true? I hope not.
I loooooooooooooooove Depp + Burton... by Osmosis Jones	Oct 4th, 2007 10:10:25 PM
...but haven't liked a live-action musical outside of Little Shop Of Horrors. The trailer looked sweet, but still, decisions, decisions...
MetiphisLabs by drave117	Oct 4th, 2007 10:34:29 PM
I think someone was lying to you.
sweet! by kafka07	Oct 4th, 2007 10:35:12 PM
this looks even better than I expected! and I expected a lot from burton/depp.
a rapping Sascha Baron Cohen by PotSmokinAlien	Oct 4th, 2007 10:36:31 PM
could knock this down from the 'terrible' peg to the 'hilarious' one right at the bottom.
Hmmmm by eggplantq	Oct 4th, 2007 10:45:25 PM
I have to admit I have reservations after seeing this. I'm a huge of both Sondheim and Burton, but this looks kind of iffy. Main problem being the fact that they're running like hell away from the fact that this is a musical - a demonic, demented musical with a wicked black sense of humor - but a musical nonetheless. I don't understand how things like this get the go ahead from the studios. As soon as your average pasty faced virgin sf geek gets wind that this is a musical they're going to avoid it like the plague, so why even try to trick them into seeing it? They're just going to be pissed. Burton would have been better off just adapting the play by Christopher Bond and having it scored by Elfman. I would love to see an unabashed, full throated rendering of this on screen. Sadly though, Burton seems to be pussy footing around, afraid to embrace it fully, and I fear that it will alienate theater geeks and goth types alike. This might wind up being his biggest box office disappointment since Planet of the Apes. Oh, and to all you basement dwelling 15 year olds with a knee jerk hatred of the very idea of musicals? I totally get it, I feel the same way. Only about movies based on video games.
UGH. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 4th, 2007 10:46:02 PM
I don't know about this one. Once again it looks like the hygienically impure Tim Burton has made a good looking film complete with immaculate production and character design. But much like his last several films, it pretty much guarantees it will fall flat on its face.
SeattleMoviegoer, they've toned down the singing... by Lenny Nero	Oct 4th, 2007 11:00:59 PM
...because of jackasses like the people here on this board, who feel that they can dismiss an entire genre of film and still consider themselves movie fans. It's shameful.
Lenny by MetiphisLabs	Oct 4th, 2007 11:04:23 PM
I don't enjoy most musicals, just not my bag. I am still a movie fan. Deal with it.
Yes, but WHY don't you enjoy most musicals? by Lenny Nero	Oct 4th, 2007 11:13:18 PM
What, too much introspection and emotion? Imagination?
POTA was a box office disappointment? by Osmosis Jones	Oct 4th, 2007 11:15:26 PM
That movie grossed $160+ million in the U.S. alone. I realize most people despised it, but Burton's Apes was FAR from a commercial failure.
Johnny Depp by Jack D. Ripper	Oct 4th, 2007 11:16:46 PM
IS JACK WHITE
Is anyone else tired... by sambafreak13	Oct 4th, 2007 11:53:47 PM
..of Helena Bonham Carter playing the EXACT SAME CHARACTER in EVERY movie EVER? (maybe it's just me)
From Chim-Pan-Ayyyy to Chim-Pan-Zeeee....! by YotzVonFrelnik	Oct 5th, 2007 12:11:22 AM
Couldn't help thinking of that when he broke into song. :)
I'm not sold. by Clonetrooper	Oct 5th, 2007 12:26:56 AM
And I wanted to be SO badly.
Looks like Johnny Depp . . . by Clangbang	Oct 5th, 2007 12:58:27 AM
. . . is doing his Jack Sparrow thing again, only this time more evil and with song.
Hans Gruber is in it? I´m there! by CuervoJones	Oct 5th, 2007 01:19:47 AM
Yeah
Big fan of the musical, Burton, and Depp... by ThatOpieGuy	Oct 5th, 2007 01:44:19 AM
...And, after watching the trailer, I must admit, I am still curious. I shouldn't have to be. I have been awaiting the trailer since they rolled camera on this sucker, and now that I've seen it, I still have no idea how the musical element is going to play. I got a montage of great gothic imagery, and plenty of Johnny Depp making ominous faces, and Carter looking doe-eyed at him, but only a quick, mostly talked-through snippet of "Soliloquy," which is normally belted in a strong baritone, and none of the other songs! Are the characters of Joanna, Tobias and Antony even in this flick? Can Depp sing? Can Rickman? Carter? Borat? Sure, it looks great, but as talkbackers noted above, it looks like one of a hundred other revenge flicks (or, for that matter, a mish-mash of the cast/crew's previous work, with Depp looking like Jack Sparrow and Edward Scissorhands' evil love child, and the art direction straight out of From Hell/Sleepy Hollow). I believe the marketing department must be to blame. Are they just trying to trick the masses into the theaters by empasizing what about the film is FAMILIAR, rather than empasizing just what sets Sweeney Todd apart from every other thing that's already been done? And who wants to trick the public anyway? Obviously, there's a market for movies like this, or else they wouldn't continue to get made. So why not market to that audience? They're out there. They warranted no less than three different editions of the Moulin Rouge DVD, and sold about a million Jack Skellington hoodies. They're out there, and they want to know if this movie's going to be any good. How can you create a trailer for Sweeney Todd with only one moment of actual singing, and not a single meat pie to be seen?? I've been waiting for this trailer for a while, and I guess I must keep waiting. This time around, they did not show me what they needed to show me: That the cast has the pipes, that the musical elements make the story take flight the way that they should, and that this is the movie that a work like Sweeney Todd deserves. That's what I'm dying to see. I really must hope that they release some clips soon, or at least a trailer with a little more singy-singy, and a little less yappy-yappy.
I'm sorry... by The Duke Of Madness	Oct 5th, 2007 02:57:46 AM
But you can't do a movie of The Sweeney without John Thaw in it. It would be as bad as doing a musical with Johnny Depp.
Just more bull shit. by Chumkid	Oct 5th, 2007 03:05:39 AM
More garbage for fat chicks in Hot Topic to latch onto.
NOSINGINGNOSINGINGNOSINGINGsingi ngNOSINGING by BenBraddock	Oct 5th, 2007 03:08:52 AM
Pretty good description of this trailer.. weird one
Pure Class, all the hallmarks of classic Burton by KillaKane	Oct 5th, 2007 03:20:15 AM
Great to see Sasha Baron Cohen in there looking like a ponced up dandy! Naaaaize.
Brand recognition by John Nefastis	Oct 5th, 2007 03:27:48 AM
It's not Jack White or Jack Sparrow who Johnny Depp is transforming into. Just look at the back-combed hair, the make-up, and - most of all - listen to the peculiarly Dickensian cockney ramblings. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Depp has transformed into... Russell Brand.
I hate musicals by Lost Jarv	Oct 5th, 2007 03:29:28 AM
but I love Tim Burton. AAARGH- decisions, decisions.
You have to hand it to Burton by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 5th, 2007 03:45:32 AM
One of the few artists remaining in Hollywood.
Looks good... by TheThirdMan	Oct 5th, 2007 05:00:16 AM
Even though they don't give enough of a glimpse of the MUSICAL away, I have faith in Burton and Depp. But regardless, most of the talkbackers will whine like a bunch if bitches. Why? Who knows...
You know... contrary to popular belief... by whatupsummmmmmbitch	Oct 5th, 2007 05:09:18 AM
Watching a musical DOESN'T make you gay... so, if that's what you musical haters are concerned about, have no fear... it'll be okay... ...it'll be okay...
That shot by Kristian66	Oct 5th, 2007 05:19:07 AM
on the pier looked amazing. Thats what irs about.
Sacha Baron Cohen by Fineus Fog	Oct 5th, 2007 06:11:25 AM
as llong as his musical number is hits by Corky Bucjhek its all good Ding din din din din - dida ding ding dim tchk tchk (wink). Now thats a catchy fucken number.
Looks fantastic, and holy crap the cast by Teko	Oct 5th, 2007 07:11:12 AM
...and Depp sounds great when he sings, though it's weird to hear it sung in a different octave. Unfortunately he's doing EXACTLY the same accent as Jack Sparrow and Bonham-Carter is doing EXACTLY the same accent as Bellatrix Lestrange, so it's going to be hard to convince people that this wasn't just a hack job. Also, there's a lot of asshole talkbackers here bagging on it because they sing. Fuck you!
Movies/Musicals by Jaws Wayne	Oct 5th, 2007 07:29:35 AM
Yes,it's odd Warner hardly shows any of the singing. No,they shouldn't worry about not luring in boys of all ages that are too busy jacking of to pictures of Wolverine's brand new shiny Web-Mobile at all. They won't show up anyway. Both Depp and musicals are loved by many, add to that guys like me who aren't major fans of either but do love Burton's typical/unique wonderful styles and visions and this movie should do just really fine in most parts of the world. And having Hans + Borat on board as well,yeah. I'll definitely go see the film at the movie theater sitting between ladies of all genders and other movie fans and cats.
Why are people so scared of the musical aspect of this? by Clonetrooper	Oct 5th, 2007 08:11:36 AM
Sure it's a musical, but it's a musical with songs about killing people and turning them into pies. I'd promote the shit out of that.
More Goth/Emo lameness by Captain Internet Sellout	Oct 5th, 2007 08:19:57 AM
I liked this movie better when it was called Edward Scissorhands goes emo in Sleepy Hollow.... It's sad to see soemone try so hard to be artistic or creative that they produce nothing of artistic value, ever..
Hmmm. Burton parodying himself? by Ray Gamma	Oct 5th, 2007 09:32:38 AM
I've liked a few Burton movies, but I'm starting to get bored with his style. I mean, it is certainly a unique style within cinema as a whole, but within his own body of work the movies all blend into one "Tim Burton movie". I'm sure it's something to do with the fact that his style looks identical every single time, but probably more to do with the fact that EVERY ONE OF HIS MOVIES SEEMS TO STAR JOHNNY DEPP AND HELENA-BONHAM CARTER. Am I just imagining this? He really needs to break out of his schtick and maybe make a docudrama about the Sudan or something.
Elfman? by Johannes	Oct 5th, 2007 09:36:14 AM
No Danny Elfman? I understand that it's based on a musical and the music is mainly by the same person who made the music for it, but Burton without Elfman feels kinda hallow...Ed Wood excluded ofcourse...
I work down 'the' Fleet Street, London...honest... by londoncalling	Oct 5th, 2007 10:00:06 AM
...but not in a pie shop - also, Ray Winstons Sweeney Todd was superb. Catch it if you can.
Did anyone else by Series7	Oct 5th, 2007 12:04:38 PM
think that Tim is reusing old sets? It looks like Sweeny Todds room is the same room Edward Plungerhands lived in? I hope this is good, Burton needs to stop remaking crap. I hope Sacha Baron Cohen steals the show though.
Re: Elfman by ThatOpieGuy	Oct 5th, 2007 12:23:23 PM
The musical is almost all scored-through by Stephen Sondheim. I don't think there would be any room in there for an incidental score by Elfman, much as it would be welcome in a movie so gothic-looking as this.
Vader by Jaws Wayne	Oct 5th, 2007 01:06:16 PM
Burton was one of my biggest heroes up until Sleepy Hollow. Everyting after that downright dissapointed or downright bored me to tears. Planet of The Apes was a disaster, easily the worst remake I've ever seen. I can't stand the story and sentimentality of Big Fish. I guess that must be a love it or hate film for sure. Charlie has a magnificent first half which is very faithful to Dahl's terrific children's book but once the kids go to the factory the whole movie turns to shit. (But my 6 year old boy loves it though ). Corpse Bride is a really well made animation film, but nowhere near as fun or classic a movie as The Nightmare Before Christmas. So I guess I do agree with Mr. Nice Gaius.
D.Vader by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 5th, 2007 01:09:27 PM
Easy there, pochenko. No need to jump out of your asshole bag just yet. For the record, Burton's films have repeatedly bored me to death. And yet for some dumb reason, I keep giving him another chance. But yeah, all the movies you listed (with the exception of BIG FISH which I have yet to see and can't comment upon) have fallen flat on their faces, IMHO.
Looks good. by TattooedBillionaire	Oct 5th, 2007 01:34:12 PM
I really hope Burton knocks this one out of the park.
A little disappointed by Darth Tenor	Oct 5th, 2007 01:38:31 PM
Depp's Sweeney looks and sounds like Captain Jack Sparrow if he went Goth and sober. His singing is okay, but I've heard better Sweeneys. George Hearn comes to mind. Also, they had an awful lot of dialogue in the trailer, considering that the show is about 80 percent sung. And I still doubt that SBC, brilliant though he is, can sing a strong high C.
Though the Hughes Bros didn't screw it up by skimn	Oct 5th, 2007 01:44:47 PM
Imagine if Tim Burton directed Mr. Depp in "From Hell". Would probably look at lot like this. And despite the wobbly plot, did love the look of Sleepy Hollow.
Looks like everything else Burton's ever done... by yassoo	Oct 5th, 2007 02:42:24 PM
a murderous barber? whatever. next.
80 % sung ? by Jaws Wayne	Oct 5th, 2007 02:48:14 PM
Really ? I don't know jack about musicals (I did enjoy Chicago, Moulin Rouge and a bunch of oldies though) but this is pretty much an all singing movie ? I hope those Sondheim songs are gonna be catchy as hell then. Yeah D.Vader,I know other people who were really touched by Big Fish but Burton's 'deeply personal' movie just wasn't for me. As for Sleepy Hollow. First time I saw that (at the cinema) I was really dissapointed, I did nothing to me. I had hoped for something a bit dark and suspenseful, which it clearly wasn't. Later I bought the film on DVD, and the second viewing experience was completely different. However wobbly it might be storywise, that movie sure is a breathtaking visual wonder, and Sweeny Todd clearly looks to be in the exact same vein design-wise. And yeah, having Depp and Bonham Carter in this AGAIN doesn't thrill me either, but I guess Burton could have had worse muses than these two, let's be glad his muses aren't Tom Cruise and Julia Roberts.
Ah, to be betwixt Helena's clevage. by Stuntcock Mike	Oct 5th, 2007 04:36:16 PM
Bloodbath hopefully.
Jaws, they may not be catchy per se... by Lenny Nero	Oct 5th, 2007 05:37:47 PM
...but they are instrumental in portraying an entire world of plot and emotion. Is that good enough for the musical-haters? Saying one hates musicals is like saying one hates comedies.
Looking foward to this, don't know the musical well by Novaman5000	Oct 5th, 2007 06:06:45 PM
but I hear good things. I happen to love Burton. I don't get how Gaius could have been bored. The only recent one I didn't like was POTA. I LOVED Big Fish and Sleepy Hollow. I just had a blast with them. Charlie was good enough (especially since it more closely followed the book I loved as a kid). At least they bring some creativity to their films... Could you imagine this film as directed by Michael Bay or Brett Ratner?
Lenny Nero by Jaws Wayne	Oct 5th, 2007 06:27:53 PM
Sounds fine by me and come to think of it, I do think I've heard some of his music and songs. (And of course I know West Side Story well for which he wrote the lyrics). As for posters saying they 'hate' musicals, hey, whatever. I'm also looking forward seeing Dreamgirls which I missed, I'll pick the disc up when the price comes down on it a bit, I only read good things about it. A musical I really didn't like was Evita, that I actually walked out from (after about 15 minutes ,only did that twice in my life). Lenny, did you catch the Bigelow "Pirelli" trailer featuring Uma Thurman called "Mission Zero" ? If not, here is the link for it. It's 8 minutes, it plays right away and well worth a watch for any Bigelow/Thurman/Action movie film fans. http://tinyurl.com/2f3bzn
Not going to be dark enough by Series7	Oct 5th, 2007 07:05:47 PM
Tim Burton being the Captain Emo that he is. Just like always is going to lead his submarine full of self professed dark goth kids, on a journey which looks to be a lot darker then it really turns out to be. And at the end we will realize that Burton, like well all goth and emo kids, are really just pig pussy's on the inside. THOUGH i would like to be proved wrong and that this movie is bloody and violent....I don't see it happening. Depp is too Deep of an actor to just make a crazy cool slasher movie. Especially now when him and Burton keep striking box office gold with pretty tame forgettable stuff. I remember the original Wonka more then the new one and I've seen the new one twice since its release and I haven't seen the old one in probably a good 10 years. I couldn't even begin to tell you the plot to the Disney Ride movie? THOUGH i do remember Edward Plunger hands (IT STINKS!) clearly, the best movie those two have done hands down. Ed Wood was good but it isn't something everybody knows and loves. Antony Micheal Hall was a BAD ass in that movie SON!
I meant by Series7	Oct 5th, 2007 07:07:16 PM
Big pussy, but pis pussy's works all the same.
I meant by Series7	Oct 5th, 2007 07:07:19 PM
Big pussy, but pis pussy's works all the same.
I meant by Series7	Oct 5th, 2007 07:07:32 PM
Big pussy, but pig pussy works all the same.
I now debunk many stupid comments above... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 6th, 2007 08:42:39 AM
1. Johnny Depp was a singer FIRST before he became an actor. 2. He has starred successfully in a movie musical before... Cry-Baby by John Waters (soon to be adapted to a Broadway show!) 3. Tim Burton has made musicals before... executive producer and primary creative overlord of The Nightmare Before Christmas, and director of The Corpse Bride. 4. Tim Burton has made a musical starring Johnny Depp before... the aforementioned Corpse Bride! 5. Tim Burton has always been camp... this is not something new that he has only settled on recently... his first feature was Pee-wee's Big Adventure! 6. Tim Burton has been exactly what and who he is for a very long time... Vincent was made in 1982. These kids calling themselves "EMO" weren't even born yet... Tim Burton is no more EMO than Edward Gorey, Charles Addams, or Edgar Allan Poe... he preceeds EMO and may have influenced it, but that's all. 7. Helena Bonham Carter may be playing the same part over and over... but so did Marilyn Monroe and John Wayne. Hell, Johnny Depp's characters for Burton are ALL stand-ins for Burton himself... just like Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart for Alfred Hitchcock, John Wayne for John Ford, Robert DeNiro for Martin Scorsese, Kyle MacLachlan for David Lynch, Divine for John Waters and so on... 8. If everybody hates musicals why was Moulin Rouge such a big hit? How did Chicago win the Oscar? Why is it so hard to get decent tickets for Wicked or Spamalot on Broadway? Why are the tickets for Young Frankenstein so obscenely expensive?
Curious but leery by hypnos morpheus	Oct 6th, 2007 10:08:26 AM
I've been a Sondheim Sweeney fan since '79, so I'm pretty set in what I expect. Sweeney is 85-90% sung, many consider it an opera, although Sondheim himself prefers "black operetta," but it is structured/composed like an opera. The ingenue is a soprano, the hero a tenor, the villain, bass-baritone, the older woman mezzo, and the tragic, anti-hero/villain/father (Sweeney) a baritone. I've already read that numbers have been cut, so this is not going to be a purely faithful adaptation, Sondheim obviously made concessions to get the thing on film. There is humor, in a wicked, gallows humor way, and the plot is loaded with twists and turns that makes for a boffo, kick you in the gut ending. I was disappointed from the trailer clip of Depp singing Sweeney's big aria "Ephiphany," where Todd cracks up. His voice is too thin, and doesn't have the necessary weight and color to sell the lunatic angle or the menacing quality of the character as a whole. When Hearn sings that number, for a fleeting second, you wonder if he, the actor, went off the deep end. Yeah, he's that good, with a rich, deeply hued baritone that's essential for the part (which I honestly believe he sings better than Cariou on the OCR). It's been said that Sondheim stated once that Hearn is Sweeney. Fortunately, for anyone curious, the DVD of the Lansbury/Hearn live performance is available on DVD, although the touring company had to cut some things, it's still the closest you'll ever get to the original production. You can rent it as a primer if you want to know what the story should be. I'll still be seeing the film, despite my misgivings about Carter (Lansbury owns that role) and the lack of the singing chops. From the trailer, it looked like the backstory is played out, which is unnecessary; the exposition is supposed to be sung while the plot continues to advance. I thought I read that Depp didn't do the singing in Cry-Baby or Corpse Bride, but I could be wrong. And as for Elfman doing the score; well, it wouldn't be the Sondheim magnum opus if he did. Listen to the ST score on CD and tell me if Elfman could improve it. As for the look; it's Burton. Dark, dingy, gloomy, although I hated that one part that appeared too sunny and blue (the "By the Sea" number?) Yech; keep it where it belongs, in Mrs. Lovett's parlor.
Prof Ikamono, I agree with much of what you said... by Lenny Nero	Oct 6th, 2007 11:07:21 AM
...but Depp was dubbed in "Cry-Baby."
Johnny Depp was dubbed in Cry-Baby??? by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 6th, 2007 12:37:04 PM
... oh no! Now I understand what so many have said about having their child raped! ... except of course I was way past being a child when Cry-Baby was released... James Intveld eh? The Homeless Guy from Dragon Wars? Sheesh! ...well now I got debunked in my own debunking... but didn't Depp sing in Corpse Bride? If not, who did?
The bells and hair question by hypnos morpheus	Oct 6th, 2007 12:37:07 PM
The action is set near St. Dunstan's church and is mentioned at least once in the musical. In the original penny dreadful, a good part of the action revolves around the church. Also, Sweeney's hair in the penny dread is described as "…the appearance of a thickset hedge, in which a quantity of small wire had got entangled." He kept his combs in it, which lent him the look of "some Indian warrior with a very remarkable head-dress."
Childhood, I meant... not child... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 6th, 2007 12:38:05 PM
...please do not call Chris Hanson...
Too bas Tim Burton is so notoriously shy... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 6th, 2007 01:52:19 PM
... and not the type of director like say... the dreaded Uwe Boll... ... not in ability, God no. But in bloody-minded toughness, and determined (if misguided) self-belief... It would be rather amusing to see Tim defend hinself in the Boll manner... Tim doesn't have the physical stature to take to the boxing ring though... so he would have to duel with some sort of weaponry... ... Super soakers loaded with black ink!
I proofed my post so carefully this time... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 6th, 2007 01:53:35 PM
... and missed "bas" in the subject line. Bad of course. Very, very bad.
Tim Burton loves chihuahuas... just like Britney... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 6th, 2007 03:01:36 PM
...hmmmmm ...Let me put on some mascara and place this sheet over my head... OK LEAVE TIM BURTON ALOOOOONE!!! He's a person! He's very depressed... look at what he's sleeping with! He's having a very hard time... he's so pale. Leave him alone! What's wrong with you people (sob, sob, sob) He's had a bad hair day for TWENTY-FIVE frickin' years... oh, God, just leave him ALOOOOOOONNNNNEEEE!!!!
It's the musical for people who don't like musicals. by Nazzim O'Bazzim	Oct 10th, 2007 01:22:48 AM
Or at least for people who don't like musicals but get into Rocky Horror, maybe. Trust me, most musicals make me cringe, but I heard this one at an impressionable age and it hooked me. The music is powerful, and boosts the story. Mind you, in this it does sound like in the snippet of singing we heard Depp is going for more of a rock style, and it's more thrilling when it sounds operatic. But I'm there.

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