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TERMINATOR 4 update!

first by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:53:38 PM

FRIST by Chewbaccalypse Now	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:53:44 PM
is the new FIRTS.
Yay, Vin Diesel for Terminator! by JackPumpkinhead	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:54:51 PM
He will kill Connor with his peacup.
please CHRIST, not mcg! by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:54:55 PM
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t4 the music video. by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:55:38 PM

I think Vin Diesel is kind of a... by KillDozer	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:56:53 PM
cool choice for a new Terminator. I also liked Terminator 3. There, I said it. I liked Terminator 3.
The only way this mess would work.... by Mr. Profit	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:56:54 PM
Is if they had 3 Terminators. Maggie Q., The Rock, and Vin Diesel. Sounds cheesy, but remember, no one is really checking for a Terminator movie any more. So casting the right action stars is the key. Guys like Maggie Q and find her sexy. People would like to see Vin and Rocky throw down and battle. And of course chicks would like to see them too.
t4 : end of the franchise by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:57:07 PM
in other news, lucasfilm computers were stolen? explain!
And go back to being rated R please.... by Mr. Profit	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:58:44 PM
I know T3 was supposedly Rated R, but I don't see why it was exactly. Die Hard 4 had more violence. In Terminator 3 it really fucking irked me that the female Terminator (I won't call her a Terminatrix) killed a bunch of people off screen.
Oh dear Christ, I first read "McG" and "Terminator"... by JackPumpkinhead	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:59:08 PM
...so before reading the rest I wanted to joke and give a stupid proposal, such as "Shia for Arnold", and what better and dumber than "Vin Diesel for Terminator"... and now that I actually read the rest of the news, I see that this is THE TRUTH? Holy Jesus. Hollydead is so idiotic and cliched it beats bad jokes now. What's next, I'll say "Daeg Faehehrehrehhershcsh (the kid from Zombieween) for Lil' Dirty Harry!", only to see that Paul WS Anderson is announcing just that two minutes later...?
Vin Diesel v. Marcus Schenkenburg by Maxer	Oct 3rd, 2007 05:59:50 PM
A clash for the ages. And Quint - I thought the present scenes from T3 definitely weren't as gritty or raw as the other two, but the future scenes did it perfectly, plus with awesome CG. If T4 looks like that, then I'll be happy.
The war is better in your imagination trust me... by TheRealSeveren	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:02:59 PM
it'll never be what you want it to be. The idea is always better than the reality. James Cameron knew this...
McG by Chewbaccalypse Now	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:03:18 PM
I remember watching "Charlie's Angels" and thinking "Wow, that was THE LONGEST MOUNTAIN DEW COMMERCIAL EVER!"
WORST RUMOR EVER? by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:04:44 PM
nic cage. tim burton. superman.
T3 Was Great by topaz4206	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:04:54 PM
Zack Snyder for T4? Can't think of anyone else. Oh yeah.. how bout CAMERON?!?!
McG? please no...anyone but him. by Datascream	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:05:48 PM
I heard a while back they wanted to go on more of a Batman Begins type of storytelling. Which is something I'm all for. But McG? He's about as bad Paul "AVP" Anderson. Vin Diesel wouldn't be TOO bad. However I think The Rock would have been a better actor. Seeing as he's beginning to stretch himself more as an actor.
lohan as a sexy fembot by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:06:14 PM
that is naked, but with no nudity.
mcg is to bay by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:09:21 PM
as zelda rubenstien is to angelina jolie
if slick is your problem... by master bitchfist	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:09:30 PM
if your problem with T3 was how slick it looked, then how do you think that vin diesel in a McG film is going to look? McG only has one style: flashy, annoyingly so. if this happens i expect to see vin diesel running around with no shirt on, in a ridiculously flashy action flick, theres no way this can be good
i proclaim this talkback by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:11:41 PM
ironia!
McG is horrible... But... by Mr. Profit	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:11:54 PM
Only because he went overboard with the budgets for the Charlie's Angel's films by spending loads of money on the rights for using a shit load of songs. Rather than spending money on good SFX or even a good script. Isn't there another action movie hack out there in Hollywood? How about getting Proyas to direct. He has a good eye and visual flair.
Datascream McG should use The Rock and by TheButcher	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:13:05 PM
Vin Diesel. I would rather see two pumped muscle bound maniacs rip each other apart anyway. I've been wanting to see two T-800 model Terminators fight for a long time.
T3 looks slick? It's lighting was flatter than Keira by modlight	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:13:13 PM
Knightly's chest... OH!!! I do agree that it was a phenomenally blah movie until the last 5 mins which should have been minutes 30-35.
McG by TattooedBillionaire	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:13:58 PM
No. I don't want him. How could the producers think he'll be good for this? Everything he touches sucks. He's Brett Ratner with a dumber name. Oh, crap. I pray they don't ask Ratner.
Keith Richards should play the Terminator in this one. by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:14:27 PM
I mean, the man just keeps on going. You can't stop him. Come to think of it, he should play Jason too.
There was something else too.... by modlight	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:16:43 PM
oh yeah. McG blows as a director, although I find his television producer credit showing up more than I'd like on shows I watch. oh and I should've put Its not It's above. I hate quick, bad, grammer.
he can not be killed by mortal weapons by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:16:43 PM
keith
robert patrick worked with mcg by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:18:55 PM
change his name to mclovin
T3 is vastly UNDERRATED; T2 is vastly OVERRATED by odysseus	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:19:03 PM
You read me right. T3 was tight and had a ballsy ending. T2 was a sprawling mess (yes, with some coolness interspersed), and was way too sappy/sentimental. "I know now why you cry," said the TERMINATOR. Gimme a break!
Shit.... by Terry the geek	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:19:11 PM
I'll watch it. It won't be as good as T2 or probably even T3 but I ama a sucker for The Terminator.
make it a comedy by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:21:36 PM
with that big negroid, terry crews.. y'know, president camacho.
odysseus by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:22:43 PM
You, my friend, are wrong on every level. But hey, opinions are like assholes, right?
This is going to be lamer by aron	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:24:18 PM
This is going to be lamer than the Sarah Conner Chronicles tv show.
the hoff as a terminator by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:26:35 PM
shia as john.
KEVIN JAMES as Terminator!!! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:28:38 PM
Kevin James as Terminator! He could have some kind of mega-ultra-gun hidden in his guts! Plus, he's funny, and that's really what a terminator movie is all about! "Talk to the hand!"
the terminator 4: the pacifier by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:29:09 PM
face-melting crappiness.
Mc unicorns are the new hobos by gride9000	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:29:13 PM
grey is the new frank sinatra
I completely agree with odysseus... by BGDAWES	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:29:45 PM
I'm going to get slammed here but my personal (meaningless) ranking of the Terminator films would go: 1.) 1 2.) 3 3.) 2 The action was tighter and more entertaining in 3 AND the way the story came together in 3 was more inventive I thought AND the ending was better AND Nick Stahl was a much much better John Connor than that burn out Edward Furlong (Furlong is good though, Stahl's just better). So there you have it. You know all have permission to destroy me for having this opinion like I know you will.
Oh no! please no! by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:30:04 PM
Well, I liked T3 (and T1 and T2 of course). In fact, I find myself watching it even more often than the other two. It might not have Cameron's brooding dark vision, but it stands its ground on other territory. So, I'm not really against doing another one. But seriously, nothing good will come out of this, if they don't get some people who know what they're doing. As an actor and screen presence, Diesel is completely worthless and McG has piled up so much shit in his body of work it's not even funny. And don't they dare ask Ratner to do it instead!
octopus is the new paper by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:30:26 PM
prince is still a purple lawn gnome.
Kevin James as resistance fighter! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:30:33 PM
Kevin James would make a great resistance fighter!
regarding this new Terminator trilogy by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:30:46 PM
The cool thing about making these three upcomming Terminator movies is that while they're technically sequels, on every other level they actually work as Prequels. Because they're telling the backstory to the first Terminator movie. The same goes for the Sarah Connor TV-show. It's all in that "Shouldn't really be told because we already know this fucking story"-place. It used to be that sequels were by definition bad ideas. Now Hollywood can make good sequels. They've learnt that if you actually plan them in advance, the story will work. If they learn the same thing about Prequels, maybe they can actually make a good one of those too?
'Now' not 'Know' by BGDAWES	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:31:30 PM
That's as great of a typo as your instead of you're. Go ahead and tear me apart for this too. I deserve it.
kevin james survived a fuckin scientologist by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:32:01 PM
terminators are like kitties to him, buddy-boy.
Isn't this potential hack job up Len Wiseman's alley? by Mr. Profit	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:32:54 PM
I mean McG? Sounds like McG started the rumor himself just to get his name out there. I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to hire him for a T4. Imagine the talkback on here if it were official? Anarchy.
WILL SMITH as terminator! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:33:14 PM
Will Smith would be a great terminator! There is no reason a terminator has to be white. Machines aren't racist, are they? And we could have a great "T4 Rap" on the soundtrack album. "Yeah. Yeah. I'm the terminator. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I'm a abd mofo. Uh-huh."
By that I mean by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:33:55 PM
Ok you make a movie, right? You reveal the necesary parts of the back story, right? But when the prequel is made, you learn new things about the back story that sheds a completely new light on the first movie and you can now watch it again and see new layers you've completely missed before.
vin diesel was the iron giant. by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:34:18 PM
make t4 animated and we're talking.
Mr. Profit by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:34:38 PM
Don't give them any ideas.
Harrison Ford as terminator! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:35:42 PM
He has been making medicore movies for 2 decades now, so what?
Biomind, WTF? by robzass	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:36:18 PM
You should never be allowed to speak again. You just embarrassed yourself with your whiteness.
Ridley Scott should make T4. by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:36:30 PM
or George Miller, or Paul Veerhoven or well any QUALIFIED director.
mcg recently said by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:36:36 PM
"ya want fries wit dat?" at the local white castle.
I wont.... Here's a better one. Alex Proyas for T4. by Mr. Profit	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:36:40 PM
He made "The Crow", "I Robot" was not bad. And both Darren Arronofsky and the Wachowski's "Borrowed" from "Dark City". He's do a good job. Hire him ASAP.
Michael Mann by Kurzinski Valentine	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:36:47 PM
would rule. shut up, you know it. Also, I kinda like the idea of Vin as a Temrinator. He's got a good robo-voice.
btw BGDAWES and Korrom by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:38:04 PM
If you get some white powder in the mail, I don't know who sent it.
Re: Michael Mann by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:39:20 PM
I could see that. Problem is, he would stick five Audioslave songs on the soundtrack and while I really like Audioslave too, I'm just not sure they would work in a Terminator movie.
who made cassshern? by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:39:39 PM

Ron Jeremy as terminator! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:39:42 PM
Ron Jeremy would make a great terminator! This guy has been struggling for ages to make his way into real cinema. No resistance figther would suspect a little fat guy of being a mean machine. Imagine how great he could be if somebody like Wim Wenders directed T4!
robzass by Mr. Profit	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:40:04 PM
For real. I read that post and said "WTF?" Seriously, Will Smith hung up his rap career when his more "Urban" album flopped a few years back. I don't think he will ever rap again. But don't give the producers any ideas bro. Because they'll cast T.I. and Ludacris and it will be the battle of the midget terminator vs the anorexic terminator. Soundtrack produced by Kanye West.
Re: Proyas by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:40:29 PM
I could see that too. The Wachowskis "borrowed" a lot from The Crow too.
Wim Wenders as director for T4! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:41:40 PM
How beautiful would the end credits song sound? Bono's voice; The Edge's guitars.... "I still haven't killed who I'm looking for..." (to the tune of "I Still haven't found what I'm looking for").
@TheNorthlander by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:42:31 PM
Come on, you know it! Diesel is not worth the spacial volume he occupies. A waste of fresh air.
t4: john conner and his wife in a room by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:43:11 PM
for ten thousand years.
Sly Stallone as terminator! And director! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:43:57 PM
Stallone had such a great comeback with the masterpiece "Rocky Balboa". He would be a GREAT terminator. He would bring such passion and emotion to the role. He could play a really OLD model.
When I saw Requiem for a Dream in the theater by Mr. Profit	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:44:02 PM
And that scene happens where Jennifer Connelly was on the dock with the red dress, I didn't know if it was an homage/in joke/ or blatant theft.
steve martin as the terminator! by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:45:09 PM
a pot of damp soil directs
alfonso quaron for director by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:46:13 PM
for real.
Stallone as the T? by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:46:14 PM
Adriaaaane, nothing is over! Hehe, sorry. At least it's a far better choice than Diesel or even worse, The Rock. If Stallone is Terminator material I don't know. I think it's just not his style.
Your Terminated, Fucker! by Lornsorrow	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:47:13 PM
"I'd love it if the future war is dire... if it matched tonally with the glimpses we saw in the first Terminator film." Absolutely! That look and that quality is exactly what it should be like. I've been waiting since back in the day to see that happen. And definitly Rated-R! By the way, I don't know if anyone else here has ever noticed it, but there are some looks and qualities in that first terminator film that match Escape From New York. I love both films, and I've noticed over the years that there are some shots in the dark streets and what not that are very similar. This might be due to the case that Camerom worked a little bit on Escape From New York on the visual effects as a "(matte artist) (as Jim Cameron) (special effects director of photography) (as Jim Cameron)" according to IMDB. There could be other reasons, the lower budget quality, etc. But I think this similar look in places is just damn cool! One could almost see Snake running around in the terminator world. If they do Terminator 4, it would be awesome if Snake had a quick cameo. As for Vin Diesel, I'd like to see him as a resistance fighter, but probably not as a terminator. I like some of his films just films (the Pitch Black stuff, XXX), but I don't think his qualities lean in a direction that would make him a great terminator. But I think he's do great as a resistance fighter.
The real question is... by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:47:33 PM
...will we be seeing the terminator wearing pink sun glasses? Because that scene in T3 really brought the whole franchise to new heights! Imagine how cool a battle scene would look in which hundreds of endo skeleton terminators are wearing pink, star shaped sun glasses! Whoa!
huh, by Lornsorrow	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:49:03 PM
couple typo's there near the end of that, oh well. you get the point.
alfonso! by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:50:55 PM

Jennifer Garner and Jessica Alba as terminators!!! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:51:38 PM
They could lure all the male resistance fighters into a death trap with a hot lesbian sex scene. Then, suddenly their naked boobs start shooting! Like in that one Austin Powers movie! The only survivor of that massacre would be a resistance fighter played by Seth Green. He survived because he was so small, that all the deadly laser beams missed him. Now, THAT's great story telling!
I liked T3, but McG would be a mistake. by epitone	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:51:39 PM
McG has yet to shoot a frame of film that would convince me he'd be an appropriate director. I'd actually put him slightly behind Ratner.
cuarón! by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:52:15 PM

T3 lacked the human and relationship by veritasses	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:52:24 PM
aspects that Cameron is able to depict so well so the action/motives were rather meaningless and it was hard for the audience to root for anyone or anything in particular. The terminator in T3 was also rather shallow/one dimensional and a weak antagonist is going to make a weak action film. There were some other things that made it weak too but those are the big ones. Having said that I didn't think it was the worst thing I ever saw. It just wasn't a great film, esp when compared to T1, T2.
alfonso! by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:52:52 PM
alfonso!
cuarón! by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:53:14 PM
cuarón!
t4: febots-ahoy! by ironic_name	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:54:35 PM

TERMINATORS vs TRANSFORMERS by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:55:08 PM
Now, that would be a movie. In the end, RoboCop saves the day.
Who are the ad wizards... by wampa 1	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:55:14 PM
...who came up with this one?
Alfonso Cuaron as terminator! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:56:33 PM
You have to think outside the box!
Proyas would totally work!! by Terry the geek	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:56:42 PM
The man does darka dn bleak well.
Is there anything about the story of this going around? by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:57:38 PM
I personally would like if it was kind of directly attached to T3, with the resistance structures just forming. I'd also like Stahl and Danes back as JConner plus one. They did good. If they're doing that, why not talk Mostow into directing again. T3 was the only film of his I liked so far. Maybe he can do it again.
Uwe Boll! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 06:59:19 PM
Uwe Boll! It makes sense, because there are Terminator computer games!
T1 was the only good one by Prossor	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:00:37 PM
2 and 3 are effects-vehicles
Brett Ratner as director! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:01:33 PM
Because X3 and the Rush Hour movies are masterpieces!
Blasphemy!!!! by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:01:44 PM
Anyone who speaks that name should be sucked down to hell immediately! No mercy!
Re: TheNorthlander by BGDAWES	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:01:57 PM
Are you planning to send me some of the 'ko-cai-aynee' (ie Booger Suger) or were you referencing anthrax? If it was the former please send this along to: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, D.C 20500-0003 We'd appreciate it!
I meant that Boll business of course. by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:03:23 PM
But, come to think of it think of it, for Ratner, you still get purgatory, so you can think of your mistakes.
Terminators are supposed to be infiltration units by sean bean	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:03:43 PM
So why would they look like Schwarzenegger or that chick from T3? You'd notice either of them walk into a room (or a bunker). Maybe that's why Skynet lost. If they had any sense they would manufacture William H. Macy or Steve Buscemi terminators.
Korrom by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:04:47 PM
Yeah Vin is just generally not good although I liked him in Boiler Room. I read the story in the new Terminator trilogy revolves around some "as yet unrevealed" freedom fighter who looks up to John Connor as a mentor. Makes sense, because then John Connor can die (in movies, the Mentor character always die. Literally or figuratively.) My guess would be the movies will center around John Connor's father Kyle Reese, played by Michael Biehn in Terminator 1.
Liked T3 by Redfoot the Fence	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:04:48 PM
Liked the ending a lot. HATE this rumor...both parts. Vin Diesel would butcher the role; McG...I just get a bad vibe about him. He'd make it too "fun" and "accessible"
Buscemi as the Terminator by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:05:59 PM
Now that would be a sight to behold. Makes sense, in a tactical way though. But where to put all that endoskeleton stuff in Buscemi?
Drama for Superman! by samurai sark	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:08:55 PM
Why doesn’t Superman have a sequel coming out? Because the first one under performed? So what? “The Hulk” underperformed, that doesn’t change the value of the character or the loyalty of true fans. Superman is the king of superheroes and he can’t get a sequel going? For shame, WB. People complain that Superman is hard to write for because doesn’t have any decent villains besides Luthor. Brainiac is a sentient, artificial being from the same planet; there’s not a decent sci-fi plot for that premise? Metallo is a violent criminal with a kryptonite heart; any chance for a brutal story of redemption? Bizarro, a dangerous, twisted version of Superman; any chance for a creepy, disturbing horror film? Zod swore revenge on Jor-El’s entire family, and Kal-El has a kid now… any chance for a vendetta film? So what if Bryan Singer doesn’t want to do it? Get a another director, a better one. Cameron? The Wachowski brothers? The Hughes Brothers? There are two Scots, Tony and Ridley; pick one. Just because Bryan Singer took the cap off the bottle doesn’t mean he’s the only one that can drink. Its Richard Donner’s bottle, why not let him direct it. Why not? Brandon Routh looks great as Superman. A few more hours of watching what Chris Reeves did right will make him better at it. Let him be tough as nails, charming as a prince, and square like a boy scout all at the same time. Kevin Spacey is great as Luthor. He should bein all movies, even if it’s just the shadow of his head and his voice. Menacing stuff. Lois needs to be recast. Rachel MacAdams, Missy Peregym, Alyssa Milano, Parker Posey (I wish). Someone smart, sassy, and hot enough to keep Superman wanting his baby mama. Don’t kill the kid. Use the kid to give Superman an element of fear and worry. He can’t stress over just Lois anymore, the kid has to be important. We need flying. Buildings burning, trains falling, planes crashing, all that danger. More danger! Whenever he’s in the suit he should be flying, or about to fly. He’s got a lot of stuff to do. (Sigh) He’s the biggest superhero on the planet, and we can’t get a greenlight for a sequel. Meanwhile, Batman got himself a nice, careful director who loves the source material and he’s doing better than fine. Why not Superman?
McG by Halfbreedqueen	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:09:47 PM
is about the WORST choice possible. he is the poor man's Brett Ratner. terrible, terrible. i'd rather uwe boll was doing it. and i say this as someone who actually really enjoyed T-3 even if it was somewhat pointless for 70% of it (in many ways it felt like the first of several movies, like, remember here's everything going on... and NOW real story begins.) but it was a good restarting. looked too clean? hmm i don't know. T-2 wasn't really gritty, though the first was. in fact T-2 was a very slick looking movie a lot of the time. it was just 90's slick, while T-3 is 00's slick.
sean bean by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:10:18 PM
Originally, Arnold was supposed to play Kyle Reese and Lance Henriksen was supposed to be The Terminator (according to Cameron on the DVD commentary). They switched because Arnie just pulled off that machine look and feel. I guess it would make sense if the T800 was at the time the newest model, because maybe skynet's cyborg technology wasn't developed enough at the time. T1000 is a much better infiltrator. That chick from T3 made no sense, but much of the movie didn't.
Uh... by bentmywookie	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:15:08 PM
...how was the Teminator in T2 more than a shallow/one dimensional character than the one in T3? I loved all three, by the way, and I also agree T3 is underrated and some of the sentimental stuff in T2 was too sappy. I'd rate them about the same.
The Universal Studios attraction... by Heckles	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:15:11 PM
...is better than T3. T-1,000,000 for life suckaaaaaaaa!
@TheNorthlander by Korrom	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:18:01 PM
You think they bring Biehn back? I guess I'd like that. However, I think he is an unlikely choice, because he did not have that much prominent big screen exposure lately. For the rest of the story you proposed, it sounds logical since killing off Connor is a given. But if they're going to make this a trilogy, I think they let him struggle for some time and wait until the last one to kill him. I would like a story arc that starts with the "future backstory" of the first one, you know, capturing the terminator by accident, then take occupy the machine complex and send him back. Then they could go about the backstories of the other two, ending with the killing of Connor by the T and his wife capturing him and sending him back. I think a decent storyline for a trilogy could be done with that.
I am not sure if I buy a by jelac07	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:21:39 PM
I am not sure if I buy a Terminator movie without at least some Arnold in it... I mean if the Govenator is a common enough model to be in both flicks... then shouldn't there be tons of these guys running around... I mean shit...at least CGI some of those fuckers in the background for good measure... McG???? bah!
sean bean by 300 monkeys	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:23:08 PM
yea, verily, you say smart things. The PK Dick story "Second Variety" - an extremely likely influence on the original Terminator - had a machines vs. humans war where the machines had just figured out how to imitate people. The first variety were modeled after soldiers and were extremely easy to spot, but the second variety was a lost, wounded little girl. Guess which variety had more success?
They could use Biehn...but by jelac07	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:24:04 PM
They could use Biehn...but they would have youngify him via that creepy X3 technology
Korrom by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:25:27 PM
They're gonna choose someone young, to appeal to the younger audience. Biehn was 28 in The Terminator (he's 51 now) so it would be someone who is his age but can play the same character. IF they center the story around Reese (which is the only logical alternative I can think of since it's not gonna be Connor).
jelac07 by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:27:11 PM
No way can a 51-year-old play 28 convincingly. Recasting, on the other hand, makes sense.
TheNorthlander by jelac07	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:29:27 PM
Agreed... hence the whole creepy de-aging shit they used in X-men three... that shit was too distracting...t'was sarcasm
Wachowski Brothers as directors!!!! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:29:32 PM
Imagine the great philosophical talk between man and machine! And bullet time! IMAGINE PHILOSOPHICAL TALK IN BULLET TIME! Jet Li could be the kung fu terminator! By the way, Keanu Reeves would be a great terminator. His performances are wooden and speaks every sentence in the same way. Just like a machine.
The Bill Paxton curse by Allfather Starr	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:30:02 PM
What is this, they plan on fucking every movie he ever worked on. Aliens V Predator, piece of shit. Remaking Near Dark. Piece of shit. T3 and now this. More big ole pieces of SHIT. Thanks fuckers.
Allfather Starr by TheNorthlander	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:32:20 PM
You're right. It's like 6 degrees of Bill Paxton. You find out if a movie is a remake or not if Bill Paxton was in the original.
Johnny Drama and Vinnie Chase as terminators! by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:32:27 PM
Vinnie was great as Aquaman. And Drama was superb in Viking Quest!
Poor Bill by jelac07	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:33:10 PM
Tombstone 2 lol
Shia LeBoef... by The Biomind	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:35:07 PM
...as DIRECTOR! HA!
Actually... by jsm1978	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:39:10 PM
I kind of like the idea of Kevin James as a Terminator. Not seriously, but, can you imagine... everyone looking for some big buff guy coming in, and then the fat slob starts throwing everyone around? No one would be prepared for it.
Are you kidding? by Charlie Murphy	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:39:38 PM
McG and VinDielsel?!?! this is going to be pure flash and eye candy. there will be no realism whatsoever.
Its the Wachowskis' now by radjac33	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:41:41 PM
since one of the brothers is missing his "twig and berries"
Arnold by jsm1978	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:45:25 PM
Someone said in a previous talk back that he should be one of the soldiers, a right-hand man of sorts to Conner, hence the Terminator looking that way. They capture/copy him to try to infiltrate the ranks of the resistance.
Its the Wachowskis' now by radjac33	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:45:27 PM
since one of the brothers is missing his "twig and berries"
Original Terminator Film by CENOBITE	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:56:01 PM
Ever since I first laid eyes on the first Terminator film, I STILL haven't seen that gritty post-apoc world I was hoping to one day see in a full-fledged film. If not in the 1980's I'm afraid we will never see it. Alas all creativity has left Hollywood.
T3 was better than it had any right to be... by Big Dan	Oct 3rd, 2007 07:59:11 PM
it was actually a somewhat pleasant surprise to me that summer because I had zero expectations going in, same with X3.
T3 was too sunny. The tone was light 'cuz it wasnt nite by George Newman	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:00:08 PM
sorry for the lame syntax above, I simply wanted to convey my entire message in the subject. But yeah, T3 shoould have been a darker film. Literally; lighting-wise. It was too sunny and chipper. Daylight=PG-13, heh
Already shooting in NY? Check Link by George Newman	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:01:24 PM
http://tinyurl.com/you6mn
Please make it stop! by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:05:14 PM
Terminator was my Star Wars. I thought T3 was OK but a disappointment. Please don't let them make things worse.
I actually liked T3 by Itchy	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:07:33 PM
entertaining for what it was. I liked Claire Danes in it. There's something inexplicably hot about her. I think it's some residual affection I had because her mopey drag of a character in My So Called Life reminded me of the first chick I banged.
Ummmmm, who is McG??? by Thworldisyours1	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:09:17 PM
And JUST SAY NO to Vin Diesel. His 15 minutes ended five years ago... In a perfect world, I would say get James Cameron but if he doesn't want to do it they REALLY need to find a director that can make a great action movie as well as a good sci-fi flick. Cameron was perfect at this with Aliens and the first two Terminator movies... As for T3, it's not a bad movie. It's just not nearly as good as the first two and the ending is REALLY anticlimatic. That being said it's damn near impossible to live up to the quality of the first 2... But I've always thought in the right hands, a movie about the future war would be amazing. I'll probably live to regret those words...
I can't think!? by FILMFUNK	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:29:46 PM
This is just idiotic! Mc Fucking Charlies angels G and Vin too fast too furious XXX silly voice, silly name Diesel!? T3 was better than it had any right to be but this Stinks of piss!
T3 was slick but... by drewlicious	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:34:00 PM
It was anything but run-of-the-mill if you ask me. The action sequences were creative and brutal and the chases were pretty damn creative. I liked the fact that they used a variety of cars as opposed to the fastest things on four wheels. It helps to emphasize tension over speed. At first I was afraid the movie would be in the same vein as the first two, which would have been a bad thing because both are products of their time. The catch-phrase thing is just awkward in this day and age. So the slight self-parody that went into a few scenes was a welcome touch. It's nowhere near the greatness of T2 but was still immensely satisfying. Now if T4 goes into the future I'm afraid we're going to lose some of the appeal. In the present these things are unstoppable, in the future they're obviously less of a challenge or otherwise there would be no resistance. So my fear this time is that we'll lose the tension that made this series so special in the first place.
Mayor McCheese set for 1st Unit A.D. by Kentucky Colonel	Oct 3rd, 2007 08:46:43 PM
Best boy? Hamburglar!
Hulk Hogan is the Terminator! by Johnno	Oct 3rd, 2007 09:14:47 PM
"I'll be back... BROTHER!"
Mr Smith Syndrome by Chewbaccalypse Now	Oct 3rd, 2007 09:21:07 PM
If T4 is in the future, the only threat would be the fact that there are many MORE Terminators. But then you end up with the Matrix Reloaded phenomenon of having it actually feeling LESS Threatening by having more of the Antagonist.
Vin Diesel by antonphd	Oct 3rd, 2007 09:23:22 PM
Good choice. I still wish that they hadn't fucked up the Pitch Black sequel and killed the franchise. Twohey should have never tried to do PG13. He made a badass sci-fi horror movie and he could have kept going for a couple more films if he kept the R edge. What a blunder. I have liked Vin Diesel from the start and I wish he had realised that his audience likes him as a badass and he'd stayed a badass. I would have actually liked seeing him take over the role of Snake. That would have been a good fit.
I wish the Terminator would go back in time... by RetroActive	Oct 3rd, 2007 09:26:13 PM
and knock off the creators of T3 and this garbage!
My problem with T3 was Nick Stahl by TVguy4566	Oct 3rd, 2007 09:42:27 PM
I think he is a good actor, but was horribly miscast as the future savior of the human race. I saw nothing in his potrayal that sugguested he could lead a cub scout troup, nevermind the survivors of the human race against Skynet. Maybe it was the script, but he seemed to allow everything to happen to him rather than really take control of any situation. Otherwise, I thought T3 was a good popcorn movie. Nowhere as good as the first two, but entertaining. Definitely, went way off script of Cameron's vision though.
im down wit mcg! by dr.bulber	Oct 3rd, 2007 09:56:51 PM
terminators on wires!
Much could be done with Terminator franchise by kabong	Oct 3rd, 2007 09:59:10 PM
but won't be. T3 was a chick flick. McG makes Len Wiseman look like Kubrick. Oh, yeah: put a cyborg dog in it.
First of all, hwahwhawhahwhawhawa on McG by The Artist FKA Vesuvio	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:18:15 PM
Now that we get that out of the way, I liked T3 too. And I ALMOST agree with you Odysseus, but serioulsy, if we're going to bash T2 for that teary crap, what would you say about T3's 'the power of love can overcome any machine directives'? IMHO, they should have put this franchise to rest even before Sarah's Chronicles. T3's ending was perfect and finished the series' arc really nice.
fuck McG by WolfmanNards	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:22:56 PM
he's McG
'T3' Wasn't Enough of a Franchise Killer? by skoobyx	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:32:03 PM
Sweet L Ron Hubbard almighty...that was the 'Batman and Robin' of Terminator movies.
I don' wanna see shit anymore by Doctor_Sin	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:32:33 PM
I am no longer aching and burning to see future wars or other crap shit. It was alluded to, my mind can creatively imagine it and it's a damn sight cooler than ANYTHING McG could squeeze out into the toilet. WRITE ORIGINAL SHIT. The well is drier than Rue McClanahan's vagina.
Stupid things in Terminator 3. by veebeeyes	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:33:29 PM
I don't know, I just sort of completely got turned off from the movie when that Terminator Chick hacked into the cars' computers, and somehow managed to remotely operate the ppedals, hand brake, and steering wheel. I was like, "what the fuck is this shit? That's just fucking stupid." And that's where the movie lost me for good. Not even the awesome chase scene that followed immediately afterwards could bring me back.
Daughtry for Terminator! by captain_kirk	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:39:05 PM
Hey, if Variety can't get it right, maybe Chris Daughtry instead of Vin Diesel. Or how's this an idea: Terminator History X: Vin Diesel's reformed terminator goes back in time to prevent his younger brother, Daughtry Terminator, from becoming an evil skinhead terminator. Whatcha think? PS--I think that while Dominic Monaghan would have been a better casting choice for "adult" John Connor than Nick Stahl, T3 was a pretty decent movie, particularly the twisty end. It was really the best ending, and made the movie.
Oh good lord.... by seniorspeilbergio	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:52:44 PM
just let it die already. Same with Star Trek. Here's the ugly truth Hollywood doesn't want to face: WE NEED NEW SHIT! STOP RECYCLYING 20 YEAR OLD IDEAS! This franchise is becoming more convoluted than the original Planet fo the Apes series. The structure of the Terminator Universe is a time travel story that loops back on itself. There's just not much there. I think Cameron knows that.
T4 has the potential to be great by tompiltoff	Oct 3rd, 2007 10:54:41 PM
Unfortunately we all know it'll be botched. Aren't there rumors floating around that the focus is going to be taken off of John Connor? IT'S NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE. Give us Skynet beating the piss out of the humans, make it dirty and make Connor the hero, assholes!
Oh god no by Bass Bastardson	Oct 3rd, 2007 11:07:56 PM
That is all.
McG is movie cancer by INWOsuxRED	Oct 3rd, 2007 11:11:31 PM
If the people making this movie are even considering him, that really tells me all I need to know about this one. They don't care about quality, they care about getting a product "on the shelves". They assume the audience is built in, but they're wrong. I liked T3. I thought I wouldn't, but I did. That doesn't change the fact that many fans didn't like the departure it took, and there are even more fans that will be leary of a T movie not built around Arnold. When you have a skeptical audience, you really need to deliver something to shut the skeptics down, and McG won't do that.
Where's the T2 love in this talkback?!!! by cuckoo's indian	Oct 3rd, 2007 11:17:57 PM
T2 is one of the most unbelievably visionary and spectacular action movies ever. Because Cameron understood what director's like Bay, McG, and others never will, that you have to mix SUSPENSE with your SPECTACLE. That suspense is what makes you cover your eyes or stand up and cheer when the bad guy finally blows up. (anybody here actually moved by Megatron's death?) Sure, like any action movie, T2 has corny lines, but the story structure and set pieces are flawless and groundbreaking. And ya can't say that about T3.
I thought "The Rock" was suppose to be up by ewokstew	Oct 3rd, 2007 11:38:44 PM
for this a couple of years back? What happened? Vin Diesel I can deal with. I'm not so sure about McG, though.
T3 by jsm1978	Oct 3rd, 2007 11:46:20 PM
When I saw it in the theater, I could not stop smiling during the scene where the female terminator was driving the firetruck and smashing Arnold into everything with the ladder. It wasn't a great movie, and a definite departure from the others, but it wasn't terrible. I liked Nick Stahl as John, much better than Furlong. He made me want the T1000 to kill John.
T3 WAS GREAT by Leafy McPlantsalot	Oct 4th, 2007 12:19:37 AM
at sucking
T3 was a fucking joke by Neo Zeed	Oct 4th, 2007 12:31:04 AM
It was one long, silly, non suspenseful chase flick in which the only saving grace was the ending. However T4 might be interesting by dealing with the future war. It's sad that with T3 this once badass franchise has now dipped into Planet of the Apes territory (with the ridiculous sequels & continuity). But hey now that we are here I guess it could be fun. McG knows special effects. He produces Supernatural for the CW so he might make it dark (He's also trying to prove he's not a total goofball so maybe this'll be his chance). The James Cameron mark of quality is long gone, so whatever they wanna do is all good with me.
Just use ROBERT PATRICK again! NO MORE NEW ONES! by GibsonUSA	Oct 4th, 2007 12:48:11 AM
It's stupid that we need a new Terminator model...it's like the 90s Batman movies needing a new pair of villians every time. This is the BEGINNING of the future war...just use the T-800!!....and later on the T-1000 with Robert Patrick....it would be a cool link back to T2 after changing John Connors and everyone else. So yeah, just use the old Terminators! Get Vin Diesel and The Rock, but make them human soldiers.
I thought T3 actually held up as almost as good as T2 by JacksParasites	Oct 4th, 2007 12:50:43 AM
I agree w/ veebeeyes' comment about the inexplicableness of the T-X controlling the cars, but it was actually a good car chase scene. And I'm usually a very harsh critic of car chase scenes. Also, Nick Stahl was awesome casting, Kristanna Loken was sufficiently menacing, & I loved the ending. I think the heart of the movie is about what John says to Kate in the van about: what if you knew you were going to do the most important thing in human history, but it'd mean many people would die? John Connor can only achieve his great heroic destiny if Judgment Day occurs. Otherwise, he's just a loser drifter...and that sucks. I also liked the pilot to The Sarah Connor Chronicles. I thought it'd be a disaster, but was pleasantly surprised it didn't suck.
Diesel human vs Diesel Termintor by aboriginal	Oct 4th, 2007 01:00:49 AM
Gotta go old school and T-100 types.
more t-000's. by LarryTheCableGuy	Oct 4th, 2007 01:01:16 AM
and a t 500 would be cool.
T4 by Maegnarval	Oct 4th, 2007 01:02:08 AM
Would be cool to just get a bunch of action stars together to play terminators. Sort of like getting a bunch of comedians to do something like "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World". So in that case get, Van Damme, Vin Diesel, Sylvester stallone, arnold schwarzenegger, Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, Hulk Hogan, Tyler Mane, etc. to play terminators!
I cant see the rock playing by huggerorange	Oct 4th, 2007 01:11:38 AM
I cant see the rock playing a terminator...he looks like rob schneider too much !!They should definately use vin diesel but another good choice-even though I didnt like the marine that much jon cena would be a good terminator, how could they overlook him?
They should pay Arnold for the right to mo-cap his face by Neo Zeed	Oct 4th, 2007 01:13:06 AM
Do we really need to pay Vin Diesel to not talk and shoot crap. Who cares about having a new Terminator? The main characters should be John Connor and his army fighting the robots. If they need a star...Just pay Arnold to motion capture his face, then CGI-it over an army of stuntmen. They could record a couple of Arnold soundbites and call it a day. Arnold could then donate the money to charity of his choice, buy a new Bowflex, or whatever.
I've said it before... by VegasRon	Oct 4th, 2007 01:15:16 AM
...and I'll say it again, T3 is equal to or better than T2. T2's actual story besides the basic premise wasn't very good, and the script was downright horrible. Hackneyed comes to mind. The ending scene with arnie giving the thumb's up while being lowered into the liquid mag-muh encapsulated everything that was wrong with it. Groundbreaking special effects and great directing aside. With that said, fuck McG, though i'm down with Diesel playing a freedom fighter or a terminator.
Less about how much you love/hate T3 and more on topic by robzass	Oct 4th, 2007 01:16:45 AM
This is McG and Vin Diesel! There is no way this won't suck. That is a guaranteed suck fest.
Christ on a bike, please God NO ! by 2Sheds	Oct 4th, 2007 01:25:30 AM
Hello God, its 2sheds, i know its been too long but you get busy and....well y'know. I hate to come with a request first off, but could you put a stop to any possibility of Vin Diesel being the Terminator, oh and world peace too, thank you.
The Biomind by DocPazuzu	Oct 4th, 2007 01:27:00 AM
Ron Jeremy actually played the equivalent of the Kyle Reese character in the porno parody The Penetrator. The only way he can save the future is if he has sex with Angela Summers before the Penetrator does. Although I have no first hand knowledge of this film. Nope, not at all. Er..
the guy who directed 28 Weeks Later... by jub3i	Oct 4th, 2007 01:47:37 AM
wouldn't be bad either. his visual flair and aerial shots would do the battle of the machines rather well, i think...
Reese being sent back in time by JC in the future... by Zardoz	Oct 4th, 2007 01:49:14 AM
was supposed to be in the film, but got cut due to budget and run time concerns. Cameron has said it was one of the hardest cuts to the script for T2 that he had to make. It was a really great scene, that really connected T1 and T2. If they're smart, they'll steal that scene back for T4 or the TV show...
John Cena?? More like Steve Austin. by GibsonUSA	Oct 4th, 2007 01:54:07 AM
Cena hasnt proven anything, he's too new and unliked. Steve Austin would make a badass looking Terminator.
Yeah, T2: 3D at U Hollywood does kick ass! by Zardoz	Oct 4th, 2007 01:55:39 AM
And it was directed by JC, too! I love it at the end when T-1,000,000 bursts into 3D ice-crystals at the end, and then your seats drop and the whole audience is sprayed with icey-mist! So nice and refreshing on a hot Summer day! That was the real sequel to T2! Go see it if you can...
The endoskelton is is iconic enough by Neo Zeed	Oct 4th, 2007 01:56:21 AM
They don't need a star. I don't hate Vin, but he's no Arnold. Also T3 sucked. It was wall to wall, mindnumbingly generic action. No attempt to be anything but the transitional link towards the post-Judgement Day franchise. On that note mission accomplished. However as a film? We're talking strictly AVP level at best. On a side note...The Terminatrix was a T-1000 rip with a fucking blender attachment/cannon arm. You wait over a decade to see what they come up with to top the T-1000 and that was it? Even if you like T3, you gotta admit that was some lazy shit right there.
Wow, exactly the same rumors from Terminator 3! by DerLanghaarige	Oct 4th, 2007 01:59:57 AM
McG is directing and Vin Diesel plays a Terminator. I've heard it all before...
Does Skynet really have so many different human shapes? by GibsonUSA	Oct 4th, 2007 02:00:15 AM
I had always thought that, say, for the T-800, they just mass produced a bunch of robots that looked like Arnold and for the T-1000 a bunch of Robert Patricks. I always imagined a scene where a whole bunch of Robert Patricks walk into the room and begin morphing at the same time. Because I had always thought Terminators were assembly line, it didnt make sense for a robot with a new face every single time. A bunch of Arnolds is enough, rather than 10 different actors playing 10 different Terminators. To me thats dumb.
'T-4 T-Furious' with Paul Walker as Kyle Reese by pokadoo	Oct 4th, 2007 02:16:58 AM
The film starts in Tokyo, with an angry young drift racer named John Conner...
Vin Diesel as a resistance fighter, yeah by prbt	Oct 4th, 2007 02:17:45 AM
In 'Pitch Black' mode, he'd be great. McG... I don't remember the direction in the Charlie's Angels films as horrible, was the truth too bad for me to remember it correctly? I hope whoever wrote T3 is back for T4; I much prefer T3 over T2, (which I find like an overblown Aerosmith video).
Terminator Forever or, Terminator Xtreme by GibsonUSA	Oct 4th, 2007 03:03:45 AM
The X in Xtreme has to be huge and in spraypaint font. Vin Diesel as the T-Extreme jumps in the sir taking down soldiers with his Xtreme boomerang, only to be defeated by John Conner and his rocket-powered rollerskates. Directed by Michael Bay.
I completely agree with Quint by photoboy	Oct 4th, 2007 03:06:05 AM
I read the novelization of T2 as well and would like to see that chunk set in the future on the big screen.
Is McG Scottish? by BenBraddock	Oct 4th, 2007 03:07:14 AM
"If it's not Scottish, it's crap." So he's not Scottish, then
Cameron by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2007 03:29:43 AM
Cameron was the Terminator series, take him out and you're left with moneymen trying to make a fast buck. T3 was a completely average action film, the first two were masterpieces. Cameron concentrated on story and performance amidst the carnage, which by the way is pretty much the best on screen carnage ever. Let it die. There's nothing worse than a great film (or two) being tainted by mediocre sequels.
please stop the terminator franchize by angrykirby.tk	Oct 4th, 2007 03:47:32 AM
you have 3 movies that dont suck. stop pushing so hard to kill it. let it be done. please.
Fucking McG by Madines Sideshed	Oct 4th, 2007 04:16:19 AM
Keep this guy away from the movie; it will be a turd on a plate making T3 look like T2. Quint's suggestion of Vin as a fighter would work for me, can't see him as a terminator though. I'd sooner see the whole thing abandoned though.
ye gods this is giong the way of Alien by Lost Jarv	Oct 4th, 2007 04:24:00 AM
2 classics, one film that people argue over the merits of and then a pitiful decine into garbage- ending in PG13 hell of Terminator v Universal Soldier directed by Emmerich. Horrid.
Absolutely by pax256	Oct 4th, 2007 05:50:53 AM
Although I think for it to be a terminator movie they need Arnie in there and omnipresent somehow. CGI if need be. But better it would be for a balls to the wall genocide where humans are dropping like flies slaughtered like pigs in huge dens for quick termination on a large scale to maximize some evil machine efficiency. They should portray it along with mass famine and deaths from starvation and disease which would obviously be the result post nukes. Make it a hard R. As hard an R as you can. I wanna shit my pants when I see the machines squash us like bugs by the tens of millions. Make me want the John Connor rebellion fight more than anything. Delve deep into our psyche and fear of a machine run world that has absolutely no need for us at all. Dont be shy with this one Hollywood.
I liked T3. Thought the ending was great by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Oct 4th, 2007 05:55:12 AM
Go for it! :)
I could see this work by Rei-Ginsei	Oct 4th, 2007 06:09:38 AM
If they set it in the future and had John Connor lead a crack team on a suicide mission to break into Skynet and access the time machine. They'd have to include a tearful good-bye between John and Kyle before he goes through and end it with the Arny terminator whacking John as the time machine blows up (I only saw T3 once, but I'm pretty sure Arny said that he killed John, right?)
lost the street cred to be called 'McG' by Diagnostic	Oct 4th, 2007 06:25:00 AM
and I now claim this name for my own.
Did they even watch the first movie? by inmate347	Oct 4th, 2007 06:30:43 AM
"The 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easy" If you're going to cast a new terminator, why not use that as a jumping off point? New Terminator - Vincent D'Onofrio (anyone that has seen The Salton Sea knows he can pull off a rubber prosthetic) Director - Paul Greengrass (his intimate style is a perfect match for Cameron's vision of the war)
inmate347 by TheNorthlander	Oct 4th, 2007 06:48:20 AM
They're not gonna go for Cameron's vision of the war or matching continuity. They're gonna go for whatever they think will sell more tickets and tie-ins, and people buy crap because as we all know a person might be smart but people are always gonna be stupid.
Don't get me wrong... by DocPazuzu	Oct 4th, 2007 06:54:26 AM
...I enjoy T2 a lot, but not as much as I went nuts for it back in 1991. It's weird - every time I watch it, it seems to fall apart just a little bit more. It's really a sprawling great mess, albeit a very enjoyable one as opposed to, say, POTC. I also must say that I enjoyed T3 much more than I like to admit (the car chase and the downbeat ending are fantastic). However, I have no illusions about T3 being a better movie than T2 and I fucking HATE that sneer Loken has at times in the film. As far as I'm concerned T1 blows both of them (yes, even T2) right out of the water, but I can't shake the feeling that I ought to like T2 more than I do these days. Anyone else feel the same way?
They should avoid having another bulked up... by rbatty024	Oct 4th, 2007 07:03:06 AM
Terminator. Go for a kid or a teenager, like in Screamers. It's a robot so the muscles are just for show anyway.
Mc G?!! by RockLobster800	Oct 4th, 2007 07:03:48 AM
Jesus Christ when are people gonna stop hiring that guy? Name one good film he's done? C'mon Hollywood, nem it to me...oh thats right, he hasnt DONE ONE!!
The problem w. T3 is the same as the starwars prequels. by TheNorthlander	Oct 4th, 2007 07:06:35 AM
It breaks the continuity set up in T1 and T2. The same goes for AVP. That's why being entertaining they might be if you look at them simply as action movies, they don't work on a deeper level.
Doc. I feel the same way about the first. by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Oct 4th, 2007 07:07:37 AM
The poor stop motion is pretty awful looking now. Its still a classic, for sure...but the shines worn off. It has 80's written all over it. T2 has a place in heart for all time. But I did watch it on acid in 91 for the first time, and it is one of the most intense experieces of my life lol! I was actully experiencing everything Sarah Connor does in her dream! I fell off my chair when the shockwave hit lol! I dont think I was ever right after that, come to think of it :)
Re: That's why being entertaining they might be by TheNorthlander	Oct 4th, 2007 07:07:49 AM
Gotta love that sentence structure. You guys know what I meant though.
I agree Doc by Lost Jarv	Oct 4th, 2007 07:24:30 AM
I like T2- it's just that I can't shake the feeling that I should LOVE T2, and I don't know why I don't. It has a mass of features that generally make me love a movie, but for some reason I just don't put it in the same class as the first one
and... by Lost Jarv	Oct 4th, 2007 07:25:03 AM
MOM replied to you in the AvP TB. But I didn't understand what he wrote.
Red dots on FOX shows by salinacj	Oct 4th, 2007 07:29:07 AM
Not to thread jack or anything, but has anyone else noticed the red dots that who up for a few seconds during the shows on FOX? To me they look like terminator eyes. Maybe a very early campaign for the new Terminator show that (I think at least) is going to be on fox sometime???
Robocop vs Terminator! by Knuckleduster	Oct 4th, 2007 07:35:41 AM
Look, the Robocop franchise is fucked, the Terminator franchise is certainly lacking, so do Frank Miller's Robocop vs Terminator. It's better than it sounds, and Frank is quite popular these days. Read the mini-series. It would make a hell of a movie.
That is actually quite a good idea by Lost Jarv	Oct 4th, 2007 07:46:15 AM
Mind you, we all thought the same about Alien v Predator. And what did we get? Stupid Inca temples under the ice that folded like a rubiks cube, facehugger kung fu, queen alien the size of a house, k-mart, 21st century texas, "Enemy of my Enemy" nonsense repeated ad nauseaum, and fucking predalions (quite the most stupid thing ever put on celluloid). Best not put ideas in their hacky little minds.
Lost Jarv by DocPazuzu	Oct 4th, 2007 08:11:26 AM
Thanks for the heads up. I've dealt with it.
50/50 Shot. Could be good, or ok.... by wowsucks	Oct 4th, 2007 08:12:38 AM
Wonders why all the T100’s smells like bengay. No wonder the dogs can all sniff them out so well. Great so the whole 4th movie will be Jon walking around asking, are you my daddy? Would you like to be? Creepy.
really? by Lost Jarv	Oct 4th, 2007 08:15:35 AM
what was he saying? I don't speak the dialect of cretin in the language of gobbledegook. That TB has potential to degenerate into a good old fashioned flame war- the likes of which we haven't seen since the halcyon days of the unholy triumvate of Fisky/BSB and Ginger twit
two hours of radioative L.A. by ironic_name	Oct 4th, 2007 08:24:57 AM
nothing will happen for another 10,000 years.
only problem T3 had it was to damn short by bigdrawz	Oct 4th, 2007 08:26:32 AM
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McG for T4? WHAT IN FOUCKS NAME??!?!?! by Motoko Kusanagi	Oct 4th, 2007 08:48:22 AM
Is the whole world gone mad????
T3 better than T2? by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2007 09:00:34 AM
Come on guys, look at the quality of the filmmaking, screenwriting and ideas in T2 and then take a long hard look at T3. The canal chase in T2 is better than the whole of T3. Sometimes familiarity breeds contempt.
DocPazuzu is right by Butts McCracken	Oct 4th, 2007 09:11:04 AM
T2 just doesn't hold up as well as it should. For me, Cameron just broke too many of his own rules that he established himself in T1 that it just feels more like a film the repair his career after The Abyss tanked at the Box Office than a meaningful continuation of the Terminator story. For example, in T1 the Terminator was identified by police as a serial killer who kills women named Sarah Conner (as she saw on the TV in the restaurant). In T2, the police show her photos of the Terminator (one of which taken on the night when he raided the police station just to kill her) and then ask her WHERE HE IS (???). Cops in the movies may be dumb, but this is asking-Laurie-Strode-if-she-kn ows-where-Michael-Meyers-lives dumb.
Problem with all films these days by DannyOcean01	Oct 4th, 2007 09:29:23 AM
With improvements across film depts and the the rise of digital it's hard for films not to look slick, even when they're going for more of a pared down look.
THE BAYIFYING OF HOLLYWOOD MARCHES ON!!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Oct 4th, 2007 09:41:16 AM
Instead of a visionary director who can take the original concepts from T1, McG will make a Transformers-like robot slamfest with no intelligence whatsoever. But you people deserve nothing better, I say. For anyone who actually bought a ticket to see Flames On Optimus: The Movie, you all deserve to have McG's Terminator because you're all mindless tools in the Michael Bay shed!!!!! Good morning!
Hey BSB by Lost Jarv	Oct 4th, 2007 09:44:21 AM
where have you been? there's been a good few left v right ding-dongs in your absence
T1 WAS GREAT BECAUSE OF MICHAEL BIEHN by BringingSexyBack	Oct 4th, 2007 09:44:26 AM
His acting performance made the movie. His is one of the most underrated characters ever. He could have been Cameron's DeNiro but James moved on and Biehn was left to do Christian End Times movies, which really sucks man.
LOST JARV: I'VE BEEN WATCHING TOP CHEF by BringingSexyBack	Oct 4th, 2007 09:46:37 AM
which ended last night with the despicable cocksucker Hung winning the competition. I'm so mad I can fuck a horse!!!! Anyway the renuion show will be on next week and I can't wait for the other cheftestants to rape his ass for his shitty behavior. BTW it feels good to be able to type FUCK SHIT ASSHOLE here at AICN. You can't do that on the Bravo message boards, the fuckers. Thank you Harry!!!
LEFT VS RIGHT DING DONGS? by BringingSexyBack	Oct 4th, 2007 09:49:19 AM
I hope Mitt Romney wins the Presidency. Nothing like a Mormon in office to unite the Left and Right, and bring Christ the Savior to earth for the final apocalypse. Jews and Hindus repent!!!
With the excpetion of Paul GreenGrass by emeraldboy	Oct 4th, 2007 09:51:04 AM
there are very few great action directors left. Cameron is one. Mctiernan was another. why did this site not cover the news that mctiernan has gone to jail. odd that. Stephen Sommers has vanished of the face of the earth. Simon west, the guy behind tomb raider, I hated those movies. Martin Campbell, he is agood action director. But non of the above seem to get work easily.
emeraldboy by Lost Jarv	Oct 4th, 2007 09:53:12 AM
sommers is a dirty fucking Hack who deserves to be filming hard-core fetish corprophilia films as a fair and just punishment for van helsing.
Yeah, Vin Diesal would be better than The Rock by Rupee88	Oct 4th, 2007 09:54:47 AM
but either will be just doing a bad Arnold impression, most likely. That'd be a tough role to step into.
You don't needs a start for the terminator by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Oct 4th, 2007 09:56:26 AM
You need a star for John Connor or you need a Kyle Reese. Biehn is awesome, but too old now. You need a look alike who can act. I can't believe I'm suggesting this, but maybe we should give Paul Walker another chance. Give Arnold a cameo, but just a cameo. How about Clive Owen as JC if he can ditch the accent.
This is the final nail in the coffin by Faust_8	Oct 4th, 2007 09:57:13 AM
Way to kill a good franchise, just like idiots did with The Crow.
McG sucks by Faust_8	Oct 4th, 2007 09:57:36 AM
hack
why no del toro/lovecraft story? by Shigeru	Oct 4th, 2007 09:59:32 AM
you'd think that'd be cool news.
star by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Oct 4th, 2007 09:59:54 AM
dammit
star by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Oct 4th, 2007 09:59:58 AM
dammit
Terminator 3 must have been an awful movie by MontyPigeon	Oct 4th, 2007 10:02:27 AM
Because I can't even remember anything about it. I know I watched it, but I have no idea what the story was or who was in it. Maybe its a gem because I've never known any film do that to me before. I even thought when I saw the words Terminator 4 - "What happened to Terminator 3?" My mind has blanked it from movie history for some reason. T4 will go the same way.
Jim Cameron by MatDGZ	Oct 4th, 2007 10:39:21 AM
Is the only person on the planet who can direct a Terminator movie. Period. If I was in a position of power, i wouldn't even let Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott or The Beard direct a Terminator movie. Its Cameron's world and only he can bring it to life. The reason we loved the Terminator flicks is because Cameron KNEW them and and everything that they were made of. Other filmmakers do not.
Yeah, I cant remember anything about T3 except... by Thworldisyours1	Oct 4th, 2007 11:05:19 AM
The part where the female Terminator makes her breasts bigger and the part where Arnold is shooting a machine gun out of a casket... And I remember the ending being really anticlimatic (the female Terminator dies too easily and Arnold's heel turn is too short)... That's pretty much it... And wait, there's people out there that DON'T like T2??????? Wow...
no. by palewook	Oct 4th, 2007 11:23:08 AM
just no.
T3 was just an exercise in phony nostalgia by Pound Sand	Oct 4th, 2007 11:47:28 AM
I saw that movie, and not as a fanboy, but just because it was hot outside. Totally underwhelming and unmemorable. Thinking back, I can remember the big truck with Arnold hanging off of it, and how I thought it was interesting how heavy a terminator was. That's it. It was kind of a shaggy dog story, built from the ground up to satisfy the underwhelming finale. And the finale itself was created just to allow for a sequel. Although it was billed as the third T, it was really more of a middle act. So if there is really going to be a T4, then make it a Final. Finish it. No more Deux ex Machina, no time travel, no exoskeleton parts under lock and key. Make it the real finale, and I'll be there.
Terminator 3? There was a Terminator 3? by BringingSexyBack	Oct 4th, 2007 11:54:35 AM
When?
McTerminator by Cobbio	Oct 4th, 2007 12:25:05 PM
I really, really didn't like T3. Tonally it completely lost contact with its two predecessors, Nick Stahl was miscast as John Connor (though the horrible, horrible script could've limited him too), the action was bloodless eye candy instead of dramatic, face-smashing carnage, and the story was boring. Also, based on Kristanna Loken's post-Terminator career, does anyone think she was convincing or even interesting? The answer is, no she wasn't. She was wooden, not steely eyed and brutal the way a terminator needs to be. She did her best, which I give her credit for, but boy did Mostow blow the character flow of the story. All the thoughtful, kickass drama Cameron brought to the table went farting out the window. Like many others here, I choose to ignore the third film and pretend what I saw never happened. If a "Terminator 4" happens, however, I guess I'll have to remember events in T3 and go from there. I think McG is quite talented at directing mindless action sequences involving scantily clad hotties, but a war of machines hellbent on wiping out the the last remnants of humanity? Nah. He'll butcher the story. He'll McCheese it to fucking death and make a film as forgettable as T3. If I could be so bold, here are suggestions for other directors more deserving of a shot at T4: Guillermo del Toro, The Wachowski Brothers, and Alfonso Cuaron. T4 requires a director with brains, with a sense of how to handle epic drama, and an R-rated approach to blood-splattering action sequences. McG has none of these qualifications so I hope the studio rejects his application. I really do.
T4? Hmm. by palimpsest	Oct 4th, 2007 12:39:01 PM
Give the job to Edgar Wright. And get Jonah Lomu to play the Terminator.
Rogen Mania by Savio	Oct 4th, 2007 12:41:27 PM
At this rate, Seth Rogen plays the terminator and Jonah hill replaces Furlong.
Though I quite like the Paul Walker idea. by palimpsest	Oct 4th, 2007 12:42:34 PM
Seriously. RUNNING SCARED was a great acting debut. Let's not have him fade back into the pretty boy roles.
McG??? by MrJJonz	Oct 4th, 2007 12:46:54 PM
Another one to add to the list with Anderson, Bay, Snyder . . . all make absolute shite
If Jim Cameron Aint Involved...... by The Funk	Oct 4th, 2007 12:49:30 PM
it aint worth shit. Didnt they learn that with T3? McG? Might well be Paul WS Anderson or Brett Ratner. Not pleased with this news at all.
where is CHICKEN GEORGE? by Sir Loin	Oct 4th, 2007 01:05:20 PM
His epic, mocking post about McG a few years back (Charlie's Angels period) was one of the funniest things I've ever read on AICN.
Isn't ChickenGeorge overdue... by DocPazuzu	Oct 4th, 2007 01:23:49 PM
...for an "all hail McG!!!" post?
The best part about McG is... by shitstorm23	Oct 4th, 2007 01:30:44 PM
He is a no-talent, must know someone in the business, asshole that can't direct or produce shit. I think it's great that no one in the talkback can even say one good thing about him. Of all these talkbackers, you'd think ONE would either like him or just not mind him as a director, but no. So, why does he get jobs?
Terminator 3 Made Me Hate Movies by Saluki	Oct 4th, 2007 01:45:34 PM
Inventive ending or not, the sum didn't make up for the whole. It's cute that T2 still hasn't been topped as an action movie 16 years later. The Matrix came close, but everything else just... Can't... Quite... Make it.
Saluki by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2007 01:58:17 PM
T2 and the action sequences in True Lies remain unrivalled.
Actually, I try to ignore T2... by WONKABAR	Oct 4th, 2007 02:03:56 PM
every one of the complaints I've seen against T3 I think applies more to T2. It's soft, breezy, Conner is mis-cast (Furlong sucked and he was the wrong age). Arnie was going strictly for laughs. It's hardly gritty, in fact, I would call it "slick"...maybe even polished and family-friendly. It's basically a PG-13 Terminator. At least T3 had the balls to let the war happen (duh, if it didn't how could Reese come back to birth Conner. A paradox people seem to overlook with T2). How could it not have the same dread of the first flick when it actually follows through with the promise of "there's a storm coming" with nukes going off all over the planet at the end? At least there's a hint of danger and indifference in Schwarzenegger's performance. He's not just a big toy, you can see how he could still be the same killing-machine from the first film. Unlike T2 where I just felt like I was watching Schwarzenegger doing "Schwarzenegger". I was seriously half-expecting him to start singing "take out the papers and the trash" or maybe even dance or put on a dress in that film. Seriously, Cameron got too cute (it's a wonder how it managed an R) and stopping judgment-day was sentimental bullshit that didn't even add up anyway. Really, the first Terminator was a film that shouldn't have even had sequel in the first place. In a lot of ways I thought T3 was a better second film. First of all Conner is the right age. Second, twenty years later with the internet...it enabled Reese's words in the car about "hooked into everything"...like, let me put it this way...the nuclear-war/machine takeover always seemed implausible to me. And the second film did little to change that. But the way T3 handled it with the military/web-virus etc. I really bought that idea of us being in a future that the 84 film tried to explain. In many ways it seemed more like a Cameron script than T2 did. Normally he's so good at filling in loose-ends of which I thought there were many in the previous film. Yes, there are dumb jokes in T3 (too) but like the liquid-metal (I always thought that was a lame concept and just an excuse to further showcase the breakthrough made by THE ABYSS) I felt such things were more of a nod to T2 in an effort to appease fans of that film. Oh and the sunglasses....fuck dude. The only reason the terminator wore that shit was to cover his fucked up eye. Yet two different T models feel they "just gotta have 'em". Lame. Again, that was started by Cameron. Like I said, if you take out the winks and references T2, I think T3 is much more in line with the first flick.
WONKABAR by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2007 02:12:38 PM
Funny how differnet people see different things. To me the writing, camerawork, production design, staging, FX, music on T2 are on a far superior level to T3 which looks and sounds like a churned out studio product. Can you imagine Cameron putting a sequence in one of his films as lame as the one where that midget Hunter Killer flying thing chases Clare Danes down a corridor? Mostow can't direct action, although I did like Breakdown. Cameron is an action master. The sequences in T2 are staged, executed and edited to perfection. The canal chase remains one of the great, breathless action sequences of all time. There's an urgency to T2 that T3 sorely lacks, and Cameron's screenplay is miles ahead quality-wise. I though Furlong was terrific, a punk kid who slowly realises there is more to life, and the Terminator reversal a neat twist to the character. T3 for me was pretty much an abomination, and more along the lines of a straight to DVD title.
T2 by Shaw	Oct 4th, 2007 02:39:08 PM
I have to say, does not hold up that well. Hasta la vista baby?
Stop Freaking Out by drhim1	Oct 4th, 2007 02:46:15 PM
This movie could be good. The Vin Diesel rummors are flat out wrong. Bashing McG is cool if you're living in 2004, or your mom's basement. He's done some interesting stuff lately.
I'll have an order of McG. Hold the Diesel by eastsidegal	Oct 4th, 2007 02:50:03 PM
Vin Diesel isn't doing the movie. definitely. Not doing the movie. And Mostow should be glad that McG is picking up the mantle. At least we won't be stuck in the 80s glam vision of the future that he dished out in T3.
drhim1 by kwisatzhaderach	Oct 4th, 2007 02:50:35 PM
what interesting stuff?
kwisatzhaderach by drhim1	Oct 4th, 2007 02:54:42 PM
Chuck is great. Best action on TV in a long while. His football movie last year was really good too.
I won't argue about the action... by WONKABAR	Oct 4th, 2007 02:56:27 PM
If Cameron had directed T3 (that script) it would have been ten times better. The action in T2 was great, I just thought the script was mushy, sentimental pre-Titanic nonsense and full of holes. I actually like the action in T3, again, despite the fact that it was big-budget film it kind of harkened back to the small-budget roots of the first flick for me anyway. I'll admit there was a lack of urgency. Partly because it was lacking Cameron's skill, but also because there was a "been there-done that"-feel that I think even Cameron would have run into. Really, T3 was a victim of it's own ending. They went to great lengths to set it up exactly like T2 i.e. stopping Judgment-day. So it feels like a retread cuz you think it's going to have the same outcome. Basically, it's fakeout. Cuz what really happens is they fail. So the deflated some of the urgency for a conclusion that wasn't really a conclusion. I can see why so many people had/have a problem with it. It's more just setting up the next film. Pound Sand up above seems to have gotten a similar feeling. T3 seems more like a second-act. If the next one turns out to be good than I think that along with T1 T3 it works as an effective trilogy. I still love the T2 for it's action, I just think it went in a wrong direction story-wise and conceptually. Liquid-metal (Super far-future fantasy and where is teh chip?) Terminator with feelings, sunglasses, 14/15 year old Conner when it's only seven years later, stopping Judgment Day when it creates a paradox, buffed out Sarah, "Hasta la Vista Baby!" etc. I think T3 could gain more appreciation down the road... in the same way Empire did...IF the next movie is done right.
Diesel might actually make a good Terminator by Doc_Strange	Oct 4th, 2007 02:58:51 PM
His voice always sounded rather monotone and robotic to me so I think he'd definitely be a good fit for a T-850 or T-900, a more advanced version of the Arnold model. However, the Rock is a crap shoot. His line delivery is terrible and I don't know if he can pull off a serious facial expression without being laughed at. He definitely brings more resistance fighter personality moreso than robot cyborg. But the series has taken a nose dive after T3. When you watch T2, the FX are still way better than T3's. In fact they make it a point to show off the FX work in a way that makes T3's FX look more like an afterthought. In order to bring sexy back to the series, the

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