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HEROES 2.2!!

testing 1 2 3 by xega	Oct 1st, 2007 02:57:00 PM
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Yeah by Nuck81	Oct 1st, 2007 02:58:17 PM
Last week's episode felt weak, but we just came off a huge apex from the season finale. It'll pick back up.
cool by turketron	Oct 1st, 2007 02:58:39 PM
Not reading any of that to avoid spoilers, but here's hoping this week's episode is good.
I wouldn't... by turketron	Oct 1st, 2007 02:59:41 PM
I wouldn't call the season finale a huge apex...it was kind of a letdown. As was last week's opener... I am also hoping it will pick up though.
Pumped by AJH313	Oct 1st, 2007 03:00:33 PM
Last week was set up for this week. We had to see where the Heroes were before we could jump straight into plot.
Who cares? by Mezzanine	Oct 1st, 2007 03:02:33 PM
The season finale last year was incredibly lame, and the season premier didn't do a whole lot to make it any better, so even though I'll watch tonight, I am not expecting anything good. Journeyman is by far the better show, I might add. Also, when I was watching The Bionic Woman the other night, it upset me that they could have great fight scenes in their pilot, but the most hyped show on network TV still throws lackluster (at best) action sequences at us and expects us to lap it up.
I'll stick with it... by Neo Con Snake Plissken	Oct 1st, 2007 03:04:08 PM
As long as it keeps trying to improve on the storylines. Season 1 was spectacular, let's hope they can keep it up now that they lost their head writer to that fucking "pushing dasies" abortion. Oh, and speaking of abortion, Bionic Woman needs a push down the stairwell, a kick to the stomach and a coat hanger.
The premiere did what it set by Omar B	Oct 1st, 2007 03:06:34 PM
The premiere did what it set out to do I think, catch us up on a couple of the heroes. I wish the show would have done like 24 does and do 2 hour premier. Big TV night huh, Chuck, Heroes an CSI Miami!
I hope that's not what the premiere set out to do... by SnowMann	Oct 1st, 2007 03:16:44 PM
If at the end of that episode they stepped, back, patted themselves on the back and told everyone "job well done" we're in for a lackluster season. This does (partially) sound like things are getting back on track. Heroes is really the only show I look forward to. I'd hate to see it jump the shark so soon.
Some people still like this show? by TequilaMocking	Oct 1st, 2007 03:18:59 PM
It's a disaster on every level. Every character, plot point, shot, cut, song choice, twist...everything sucks. And it gets worse with each episode. Good luck with that guys. I wonder which comic/tv show/movie/song/video game they'll rip off this week?
Mezzanine - what action scenes? by Cymbol	Oct 1st, 2007 03:19:03 PM
Seriously, I don't remember any from the Heroes premiere. I agree, the season finale left a bad taste in the mouth and the Pilot did little to give us all some hope that they are preparing to go to the next level. We let our son watch this one with us and he was trying not to fall asleep. After it was over my wife and I assured him that it is usually more interesting and should get better. Hiro seems like he is in a bad episode of Quantum Leap. Man, I hope this show gets better.
As others have said before by TequilaMocking	Oct 1st, 2007 03:20:02 PM
Hiro's storyline is just Evil Dead 2 and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3. I'll give them points for mixing the two, but that's all they're doing.
Hiro needs to just become Kensei and get it over with by SpyGuy	Oct 1st, 2007 03:22:58 PM
...so he can get back to the present and hook up with Ando again to investigate the murder of Hiro's dad. Oh, and Noah needs to get back to doing what he does best...shoving people up against walls and using the Haitian to mind-wipe them.
Matt enlists the help of......... by Rantman	Oct 1st, 2007 03:25:57 PM
The A Team- he uses the girl to find them actually, Hannibal Smith was the female teacher in last week's episode- he was just testing the water- this weeks it'll be all consequence free violence, breaking Murdock out of mental hospitals and drugging BA with milk- ah good times!
fuck nikijessica by Charlie Murphy	Oct 1st, 2007 03:36:07 PM
that character is what's keeping this show from being great. so fucking lame. i love the rest of the cast, though. last week's episode was alright.
I thoroughly enjoyed the premiere. by a goonie	Oct 1st, 2007 03:36:59 PM
It was a lot of setup, but I guess that's what I expected. In fact, I expected more feet-dragging and far less setup-y stuff than we got, so it worked well for me. I especially enjoyed seeing how, four months after the events of the finale, most of the character's lives are total crap. Not only have they not been honoured and recognized for their actions at the end of S1, but they must continue to hide who they are and come to terms with being a superhero in a world that will most likely shun them. It's a story we've seen before and it's of course the basis for the X-Men, but I found it to be an effective setup for this new season. Plus, it was fun to close with that image of confused Peter holed up inside the container. It came as no surprise that Peter wasn't dead, but it still got me itching to see what would happen next. So yeah, the premiere worked for me.
I hope West gets Sylar'd by turketron	Oct 1st, 2007 03:46:56 PM
I really don't like that kid. ARE YOU A ROBOT OR AN ALIEN? DURRRRRRRR!!!!! Yeah, that's how you talk to hot girls in your class. If he says that line again I'm going to punch something.
Hey Wonka, I know you will avoid reading posts... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 03:53:03 PM
...due to spolilers from the east coast... but until then, if you don't mind me going a bit off topic, have you seen, and if so what do you think of the latest "cloverfield" tidbits that have popped up in the past few days? I refer to the Japanese chef with the "deep sea nectar" ingredient on the new photo at 1-18-08.com JamieAndTeddy.com (the password is jllovesth) and the latest tagruato.jp See ya after Heroes airs Pacific Time!
People were knocking 2.1? by nalapou	Oct 1st, 2007 03:58:50 PM
Why? Cause it revealed that the Company was originally composed of 12 individuals who ran basically a communist nation deciding what was "the greater good" when it came to other Heroes? Cause it told us for sure that Charles Deveaux, Mr and Mrs. Petrelli, Mr. Nakamura and Mr. Linderman along with 7 unnamed individuals comprised this 12? Because it successfully reintroduced almost all of its characters in to new, interesting storylines? Because the story or Bennett and Mohinder weasling their way into the Company wasn't awesome? Honestly i think that people that didn't like this episode just didn't "get" all that we learned last week. Excellent premiere. And QUITE a pick up after the season finale...
Better name than Nikijessica... by chromedome	Oct 1st, 2007 04:02:28 PM
...was coined by someone here last season: PMessica would give credit, but I go no memory of who it was...
And for those who don't like Niki... by chromedome	Oct 1st, 2007 04:06:00 PM
...you cannot tell me she is a worse character than Mohinder. Hiro can travel thru time, but Mohinder actually STOPS time in my living room whenever he appears or speaks.
Glad people are realizing this show is crap... by Kasch	Oct 1st, 2007 04:07:27 PM
Seriously, this is nothing but hollow comic-book plagiarism from hack writers. Genre shows like Battlestar Galactica, Dexter, and Lost lay waste to this grade-school crap.
Nathan's reflection by MrEkoLetMeLive	Oct 1st, 2007 04:10:23 PM
I thought that was his imagining Peter all f-ed up from the expolsion as a means of showing us his guilt over the seeming death of his brother. Was that not the case?
It's actually Nathan's own reflection... by NoPIX	Oct 1st, 2007 04:15:50 PM
I immediately thought it was Peter's too.
DL's mom is one of the 12 by MetiphisLabs	Oct 1st, 2007 04:20:24 PM
Mark my words.
Premiere sucked by Internet Thug	Oct 1st, 2007 04:26:19 PM
Don't know where they are going to go after saving the world..choosing the lame ass "cure" aka "legacy Virus" angle was a huge mistake..show moves to dvr status.
Since they're calling it "unlikely" help I'm assuming.. by drewlicious	Oct 1st, 2007 04:26:33 PM
it's Sylar. But Matt would have to be pretty convincing seeing how Sylar's holding all the cards being all powerful and brain hungry and all. I mean if I were a psycho like Sylar I'd just eat Matt's brains, find the girl and use her powers to track down all the heros. Just avoid the big bad in the mean time. On a side note, exactly what can this guy do to be worse than Sylar? I'm hoping he's not like Trauma from the Initiative or whatever group that guys from.
Internet Thug by Rupee88	Oct 1st, 2007 04:31:33 PM
The show has sucked since early last season...nothing new.
I'm so cool and edgy. by MetiphisLabs	Oct 1st, 2007 04:38:35 PM
I don't like the show, lemme go clog up the talkback about it. Jesus Christ.
HERC - pardon the interruption... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 1st, 2007 04:45:14 PM
...but will there be anymore Talkbacks for MAD MEN?
TONIGHT by jmnwolff	Oct 1st, 2007 04:56:21 PM
...the LEGACY VIRUS forces Colos-, er, I mean NIKI, to sacrifice herself in order to save mutants, er, I mean "those with abilities" everywhere!
Get out o Ireland please by ElPaw	Oct 1st, 2007 04:57:49 PM
Or hire some real Irish actors. Not Dick Van O'Dykes.
Last week's episode was by aron	Oct 1st, 2007 05:02:06 PM
Last week's episode was ruined by the shitty ending with Peter in Cork. The Irish accents were pathetic. Typical Americanised bullshit we see when the americans try and do something set in Ireland. The Hiro storyline sucked too.
I've just been rewatching Lost... by TheThirdMan	Oct 1st, 2007 05:02:42 PM
Seasons 1 and 2...and man, it really does blow Heroes and every other show out of the water. I'm actually more interested in watching another episode of Lost tonight (that I've seen numerous times) than tuning in for the next Heroes.
Ubridled faggotry in this talkback by MetiphisLabs	Oct 1st, 2007 05:05:40 PM
I'mma enjoy the damn show.
Mmmmm BRAAAAAAAAAINS by Yeti	Oct 1st, 2007 05:16:14 PM
Yay Sylar's back! (probably) This should be interesting.
"Awesomeness awaits"- bear by ororo_munroe	Oct 1st, 2007 05:17:33 PM
Damn straight! I'm as giddy as a school girl receiving her first kiss. ZQ said he wouldn't be on the show until episode 3, but I am not complaining! Bring on Sylar! Fangirls everywhere squee! OK, I don't actually squee... it's more of a sigh The premiere didn't "suck"... it was all set up for the exciting story lines to come. Nathan's reflection was definitely Nathan all scarred up. Guilt? Most probably. Turketron - if you read the graphic novels West becomes less creepy. Charlie - I agree, Niki is lame. The show runs smoothly and I am in this fantastic world where super powers are a reality. BAM! Niki is on screen screeching and whining and the magic leaves the building.
The Irish accents by XAOS	Oct 1st, 2007 05:19:50 PM
were REALLY painful. Like cover your ears and just read the captions painful.
Cymbol... by Mezzanine	Oct 1st, 2007 05:27:11 PM
I meant the action scenes from the season finale (which made it all the more insulting). Seriously, you can't have a season finale to one of the most popular new shows of the year and then puss out on the battle royale. That's just bullshit. But what makes it worse is that Bionic Woman comes along four months later and the fight scene on the rooftops kicks the shit out of what they did on HEROES (especially when you consider they had a much smaller budget and Katee Sackhoff said she learned that fight in 30 minutes). I think HEROES tries to be too cerebral, and as soon as it realizes that it will never compare with LOST on that level and just embrace its comic-book roots, it will be fun; but until then, this is a DVR only show for me.
Mirror Nathan? by Ribbons	Oct 1st, 2007 05:29:15 PM
I had gotten the impression that it was just him imagining Peter all fubar. Somebody else said the reflection wasn't Peter though, so maybe I'm wrong.
chromedome by fiester strikes back	Oct 1st, 2007 05:43:51 PM
You get the funny award of the talkback for that one! So true. Mohinder is really insufferable most of the time. The worst parts of last season were his whole trip back to India and the silly dreams. The only interesting part was the hot Indian girl who appeared, flirted with him, then vanished never to be seen again. I guess he's an important plot point character, but I'm sure they could find a way around him if they wanted to. I also don't care for Niki-Jessica, her son, or DL. They don't seem especially connected or important to the storylines and every time we visit with them it's the same tedious digression of their little family drama. Plus the precocious son is such a cliche. They ought to just ban both precocious kids and autistic kids from TV shows--because you usually get one or the other: never just a normal brat.
Invisotext must be on lunch... by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 05:44:10 PM
doesn't look at top of talkback, so there! :p
"And the rest? by Napoleon Park	Oct 1st, 2007 05:46:58 PM
Can't wait to discuss with Wonka, Ororo, Chrth, Prof and the rest!
"And the Rest?" by Napoleon Park	Oct 1st, 2007 05:48:26 PM
"Can't wait to discuss with Wonka, Ororo, Chrth, Prof and the rest!" And the rest? I feel so Professor and MaryAnn.
why oh why oh why by moners	Oct 1st, 2007 05:51:12 PM
do people hire british and american actors to do Irish actors??? Its so fucking annoying. Have these people actually never heard an Irish person speak??? Cork and Dublin get it the worst because apparently we have "difficult" accents. Then hire some fucking Corkonians and Dubs!
and the rest = by ororo_munroe	Oct 1st, 2007 05:59:04 PM
Napolean and Pillow I swear Nathan saw himself in the mirror. Fansites were going crazy over the summer because Adrian was seen on set all scarred up. http://tinyurl.com/2e4q2h
When does the Bell toll? Three weeks from tonight... by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 06:12:37 PM
Kristen FRAKKIN' Bell, baybee!
Firestorm by snowpuff	Oct 1st, 2007 06:13:02 PM
It would have been cool if Nathan and Peter had somehow merged due to the nuclear explosion (à la Firestorm from the comics) and Nathan was lying about not knowing where Peter was. Peter with amnesia and no scar was disappointing...
Minority Opinion by Napoleon Park	Oct 1st, 2007 06:13:24 PM
The concept of the obligatory fight scene wore out it's welcome back with the second tier mid-'70s Marvel titles like Team-Up and Two-In-One. sure ultraviolence at high power levels can be awesome. Moore's Miracleman justifiably got perturbed over having his wife kidnapped and literally flew straight through people who got in his way. but opn the other hand, paul chadwick's Concrete was basically a similar character to the FF's Thing, but he was a speech writer instead of a tempermental war vet fighter pilot, so even as a stone behemoth he continued to use his brain instead of his fists to resolve most situations. Heroes may be somewhat derivative of the genre it emulates, but it's advantage in being a unique creation and not a licensed Marvel or DC Warner property is that it doesn;t have to adhere to the genres rules and cliches. Sure we all had those "I'd turn invisible and spy on naked girls" fantasies but obviously not everyone who can fly or read minds wants to put on tights and a cape and fight crime. Well, okay, Natt Parkman does want to use his telepathic abilities to fight crime, but with a badge, not a cape and mask. I realize ratings and ad revenues are based on numbers and the networks just want viewers without caring why they're watching, but the people who watched all of season one expecting it to be some sort of elimination match with the season finale being a special effects intensive cage match fight to the death between whoever the two most powerful characters are, should probably just go watch something with the words "Smack Down" in the title.
season premiere by maxwell's hammer	Oct 1st, 2007 06:17:15 PM
I think the first episode of the season kind of sums up my feelings on the show: really cool ideas being very poorly executed. When I read episode summaries, I think, hey, this could be a cool show. But every time I watch an actual episode, I find myself bored and irritated. I don't mean to start up the whole Lost/Heroes thing, but I think that's why I enjoy Lost so much more: I'm captivated by the performances just as much by the concepts. Heroes has the concepts, but no truely great performances to back them up.
Mezzanine by zooch	Oct 1st, 2007 06:21:02 PM
If it did that, the general public would lose interest. Why do you think no one wants to watch Bionic Women? People like the fact that Heroes is cerebral. Also why is Mohinder boring? Cause he's doesn't have powers? Cause he's a professor? Quit the nerd whining.
Heroes is cerebral? by maxwell's hammer	Oct 1st, 2007 06:27:17 PM
Did somebody seriously just say that? Heroes is comic book corniness from start to finish.
well, you know, by zooch	Oct 1st, 2007 06:31:45 PM
as much as a tv show based on superheroes can be :)
maxwell, you can't be serious... by jopari	Oct 1st, 2007 06:34:31 PM
There were a bunch of amazing performances in Heroes. Hayden P. did an amazing job, especially around the middle when she was coping with what HRG had done to her mom. Say what you will about Niki/Jessica (personally i don't mind them) but Ali Larter did an amazing job playing them both. Zachary Quinto did a great job playing an obviously crazy and obsessed man without going camp, Jack Coleman was excellent portraying both the callous head of the Company and the caring head of his family, and the others actors did great jobs as well. The only characters I thought were weak were DL and Ando, but then again they're secondary characters on a TV show, so that's acceptable. Compare that to Lost, whose main character has NO RANGE WHATSOEVER and whose other characters are just as wooden (come on, does anyone REALLY like Rose and Bernard? Personally, I can't tell if it's them in a scene or the pine trees on the beach decided to start talking). That said, I enjoy Lost and Heroes equally-Lost for the WTF moments and Heroes for the rewarding geek drama series that it is.
cerebral by maxwell's hammer	Oct 1st, 2007 06:41:25 PM
Dude, if you step back from the specificity of 'superhero' and just say action/fantasy, I'm sure I can come up with a huge list of TV shows that challenge your brain more than Heroes. I personally don't enjoy the show, but I'll admit that there is a place for its kind of fun. But 'cerebral' isn't even in the top 20 words I would use to describe it. Try 'Lost', "BSG", "Star Trek" (pick a series), or "The X-Files". "Heroes" requires about 1/10th of the brain power.
RE: "amazing" by jopari	Oct 1st, 2007 06:41:31 PM
I think i used it around 20 times in my previous post. Time to get a thesaurus, perhaps?
I agree about the Irish accents. by a goonie	Oct 1st, 2007 06:47:37 PM
Just wanted to throw in my two cents some more. While I was quite pleased with the premiere, I too felt that the Irish accents were garbage. I nearly had flashbacks to Brad Pitt in "The Devil's Own." Ouch.
I never said that HEROES was Cerebral... by Mezzanine	Oct 1st, 2007 06:50:37 PM
...Only that it was trying to be. I find the show to be dumber than a bag of rocks most of the time. Still, for as much as I am kind of on the fence with this season of HEROES, I have to admit, Noah and Suresh teaming up to take down the Company was pretty great.
jopari by maxwell's hammer	Oct 1st, 2007 06:50:55 PM
Dude, you're speaking as a fan of the show, so there really isn't any point in arguing about whether your favorite characters are 'amazing' or not. Speaking as a neutral observer however, I can say that there isn't anything going on in Heroes that actually makes me eager to tune in from week to week. And since I'm a fan of LOST, there really isn't any point in you trying to tell me that the actors on LOST have no range. You obviously didn't watch seasons 1-3, where Matthew Fox walked a fine line between Fearless Leader and Jerk-Off Asshole. Or Terry O'Quinn who walked a fine line between Noble Hero and Arrogant Prick. Or Josh Holloway, or Naveen Andrews, or Michael Emerson, or most of the cast, who all play multi-faceted characters who always surprise you with their actions and personal histories without ever contradicting themselves. What with us being a fans, we shouldn't even bother argueing.
mezzanine... by maxwell's hammer	Oct 1st, 2007 06:53:21 PM
...actualy you said: "People like the fact that Heroes is cerebral." But I get your point. And I agree with "dumber than a bag of rocks." Which doesn't necessarily preclude the show from being fun sometimes. Just kind of hollow.
if the Rockies keep scoring by phast freddy	Oct 1st, 2007 06:56:25 PM
I might watch it
Maxwell and his Hammer... by Mezzanine	Oct 1st, 2007 07:00:29 PM
As long as you got my point, thats good. I must have made a typo up there. It's like you said, I don't have a problem with a show trying to be stupid fun, but sometimes a show needs to know it's limits and obviously HEROES thinks that it has all kinds of cool ideas (which I obviously disagree with). I would like to see more human drama (which I admit was alluded to in last weeks episode with the Hondurans) than mystery, because the answers to HEROES mysteries aren't shocking or awesome; they're just kind of bland and boring... not to mention predictable.
speaking of accents by drewlicious	Oct 1st, 2007 07:12:35 PM
Anyone know how Hiro's japanese measures up? They're not laughing their assess off in Japan are they?
Feister! by chromedome	Oct 1st, 2007 07:22:09 PM
You are correct about the kids--I blame He Who Must Not Be Named: the on-board boy in Star Trek Next Generation. jeez, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit..... bleh
Oh, man... by chromedome	Oct 1st, 2007 07:24:21 PM
Sorry--I have trouble with the whole "ei" or "ie" thing. fIEster! fIEster!
Napoleon if you're the Professor and Maryann... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 07:29:39 PM
...then chrth must be Gilligan, Wonka the Skipper, Ororo - Mrs. Howell, and I would be Ginger...
drewlicious... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 07:32:53 PM
... Masi Oka is Japanese born and bred, he speaks without an American accent... Ando however has an American accent, and George Takei has a Texas accent!!! (although he tries very hard to suppress it)
No, I'm the millionaire ... but Prof, you're my wife by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 07:39:48 PM
(If you go by song order) Well that's not good. I'd rather be Gilligan. Damn You Gilligan! Er, Wonka!
Prof by ororo_munroe	Oct 1st, 2007 07:40:35 PM
No way are you Ginger! I am Ginger because, I have the curves for the role and you don't. You can be Mrs. Howell.
A three hour tour.... by chromedome	Oct 1st, 2007 07:45:44 PM
...with Mary Ann. I would set sail on that trip. mmmmmmmm
...so I'm Lovey then... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 07:45:47 PM
...well having money is as good as being beautiful... ...cause you can afford plastic surgery...
Napoleon Park should be banned for... by Larry of Arabia	Oct 1st, 2007 07:55:26 PM
being too smart and rational about things. (see, you thought I was gonna say something else but you read the comment and Whammy! I switched it up on you.)
So will we all be surprised... by MCVamp	Oct 1st, 2007 07:57:22 PM
When the kid who's creeping out Claire turns out to be the guy who pushed Takei off the roof? "BALLOON KNOT."
bear you can be Kurt Russell as the Jungle Boy!! by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 07:59:31 PM
... you can send a rescue party once you learn to speak English!
poached eggs on paper plates? by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 08:04:45 PM
YUCK! the yolk will soak into the paper.... gross...
Hiro trying out for Chief Waterboarder at Guantanamo! by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 08:07:39 PM
;)
DAMN YOU WONKA! by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 08:09:58 PM
First! in that regard...
Ando and Parkman didn't recognize each other? by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:11:10 PM
Parkman needs to be more observant
The Haitian Sensation! by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 08:22:24 PM
Whoa.
The only hero who can stop Ned Ryerson? by Larry of Arabia	Oct 1st, 2007 08:24:41 PM
Phil Connors, the average man with the amazing ability to live the same day over and over again until he gets it right.
Peter just pulled a DL! by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:27:47 PM
So why couldn't he pull a Jessica? Oh wait, there he goes ...
"Before I take all your clothes next!" by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 08:28:20 PM
LMAO.
DL was in the final confrontation last season by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:31:06 PM
But I honestly don't know what Peter's effective range is. I'm kinda curious how he's shooting light bolts.
What the fuck?? by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 08:32:36 PM
Seriously, dood.
Well, that was a pointless waste of scrolling space by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:33:52 PM
Mmmm...Venison
Needle Nose Ned by jimbojones123	Oct 1st, 2007 08:35:03 PM
RULES!!!!
Heh, nice use of the Haitian's power by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:37:21 PM

So Maya's been infected by one o' them X-Files aliens? by CatVutt	Oct 1st, 2007 08:41:13 PM
Looked just like that black oil shit that got all over everyody.
This may come as a shock to you ... but we don't care by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:41:15 PM

Hatian chaty now? by jimbojones123	Oct 1st, 2007 08:41:35 PM
Guess his cover is blown.
It's the alien black oil meets El Chucacabra! by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:42:23 PM
And yes, I totally spelled that wrong
Oh, and somebody ban the Troll, please. by CatVutt	Oct 1st, 2007 08:42:47 PM
Thanks.
Well I imagine the Haitian is in hiding from the compan by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:43:42 PM
y ... but honestly, couldn't he at least gone to the Dominican Republic? I mean, wouldn't Haiti be the first place they'd look for the Haitian?
chrth - great point by Darth_Valinorean	Oct 1st, 2007 08:45:13 PM
Great point .. that kind of weak logic does taek away from the show. And this bro/sis bullshit is getting as bad as the Michah and His Lame Parents of season1
I wouldn't call it 'weak logic' per se by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 08:47:35 PM
Just poor planning on the Haitian's part. Then again maybe amongst his countrymen he figures he could hide better.
I like Kickass Peter Petrelli!! by jimbojones123	Oct 1st, 2007 08:47:59 PM
He's cool.
Also... by CatVutt	Oct 1st, 2007 08:48:55 PM
Is it just me, or does that damn symbol look an awful lot like a red version of the green Final Draft Icon?
wow.. by Darth_Valinorean	Oct 1st, 2007 08:49:53 PM
Mama Petrelli faces the big evil villain methinks...
Daddy, a Nissan Rogue!?! by Dylan2e	Oct 1st, 2007 08:53:06 PM
Claire's new car didn't last very long did it? Guess Nissan only forked over enough loot for one episodes worth of product placement.
Oh shit, Claire... by Pennsy	Oct 1st, 2007 08:59:26 PM
:o
LOL by clockpolitiks	Oct 1st, 2007 09:01:30 PM
"The Box!" Anyone else find that extremely funny?
WHAT'S IN THE BOX? by Judge Briggs	Oct 1st, 2007 09:05:48 PM
Okay, lame ass line.
fortunately, NBC had the taste to not show a toe flying by captain_kirk	Oct 1st, 2007 09:07:52 PM
...through the air. That would have been gross. Oh. Wait. Well, at least they didn't show it all bloody and stuff. Oh. Wait. NBC must really be scraping the ratings barrel if they're willing to let claire snip off her pinky toe. NBC: Nerd / Bionic Channel.
follow up re claire's toe... by captain_kirk	Oct 1st, 2007 09:09:23 PM
If claire's body regrew her toe, why didn't her toe regrow a body?
I like last weeks episode. by The Outlander	Oct 1st, 2007 09:10:53 PM
Even though it started slow, I thought from the midpoint onward it was excellent and over all a strong episode.
claire part 3... by captain_kirk	Oct 1st, 2007 09:11:28 PM
is claire related to takezo kenzai? Is claire related to Doctor Who? Did Captain Jack Sparrow, er, uh, Harkness, capture the toe and keep it alive in a jar? Will Claire's toe help regenerate Sylar?
Damn You DVR!!! by jimbojones123	Oct 1st, 2007 09:17:08 PM
Screw you for cutting out early!!!Now I have to sit through the episode online.
Who did Parkman get unlikely help from? by jimbojones123	Oct 1st, 2007 09:18:21 PM
His Sargent??
I'm having issues actually reading the talkback by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 09:19:00 PM
So I can't respond to anyone yet. I'll add the following: Mama Petrelli roxxored in both scenes. Mr. Muggles was awesome. Sylar was not back, Herc. Ok, Haitian hides in Haiti so that HRG might be able to track him down if he needs to, I can buy that. BTW, that made it a doubly awesome memory erasure. However, why is Mohinder going to his apartment to see Molly? Doesn't the company want Molly back? Aren't they tracking Suresh? Makes no sense.
Takezo Kensei is...... by Pdragoonedge	Oct 1st, 2007 09:21:02 PM
Immortal, and Peter and Nathan's father. Seems in line with what their mother mentioned about her Husbands company symbol, and Claire's powers........
what's in the box? by captain_kirk	Oct 1st, 2007 09:21:41 PM
Marsellus's Soul. Next week: John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson come searching for it. John Travolta's power? He can get it ON on the dance floor.
Ever since that troll showed up... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:22:49 PM
...I can't read the talkback... I can read the subject lines, but when I click on one... ...the whole thing goes kablooey... ... is that what's happening to you chrth? Of course if it is you can't read this anyway...
You all should be ashamed of yourselves... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 1st, 2007 09:22:57 PM
...watching this superhero garbage while Ken Burns's THE WAR is on. Lowly Dogs! ;^)
STILL THE WORST IRISH ACCENTS EVER! by eggbeater	Oct 1st, 2007 09:24:37 PM
This episode was a slight improvement from last weeks. But that "What's in the box?" line really made me laugh. They really tried to tap into the whole "What's in the hatch?" question. ALl in all a decent episode
chrth. can you read the subject lines... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:26:03 PM
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...but not the posts themselves? by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:26:30 PM
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...that's what's happening to me right now... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:27:06 PM
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Prof: Yep, that's it by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 09:28:40 PM
Somehow I think that earns a Damn You Wonka! Now I don't know why MNG thinks I should be ashamed of myself! :sob:
whisper "...the boooooxxxxxx..." by Mike_D	Oct 1st, 2007 09:30:20 PM
haha, so cheesy.
What's in the box? by BizarroJerry	Oct 1st, 2007 09:33:22 PM
Uh, just rewind and the "Irish" guy will tell you... TV assholes. By the way, people, if you watched the entire last season and didn't like it. Please just stop watching it and don't waste your time coming here and continuing to say it sucks.
Oh yes. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 1st, 2007 09:37:10 PM
There will be a banning ta-night.
do you think the multiple copypasting ... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:38:49 PM
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of the AICN entry from wikipedia... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:39:21 PM
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by the idiotic troll harry potters nipples is why... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:39:59 PM
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some of us can no longer access the TB posts? by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:40:37 PM
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Hey, Captain Kirk... by BizarroJerry	Oct 1st, 2007 09:41:58 PM
Awesome thought. Wait until next episode and maybe a new Claire will appear. And then Old Claire will become confused because she finds New Claire very attractive... and then they... etc, etc... instant Emmy.
I think so, Prof. The 08:47:25 PM post killed me, I by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 09:43:34 PM
think. Can we get an admin in here? Herc? Mori? ANYBODY?!?
Yeah! Back on track! by Raymar	Oct 1st, 2007 09:43:35 PM
Claire's toe! Samurai Hiro! Super bitch Angela! Creepy twins! Only weak point was Peter's storyline.
Squished, huh? Weird. I grind to a halt when I click by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 09:45:36 PM
a comment or try to access the comments directly. Hmm, I haven't tried via my User page, let me try that.
Damn! I'm going to bed... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:45:52 PM
...no use staying if I can't fucking read the posts... Wonka, if you can read this, sorry I didn't stay up for you west coast types... Chat with you tomorrow if I can... ...hope this problem goes away... Check out those cloverfield leads I posted up above, esp. the traguato.jp website...
I'm watching baseball and football so I'll keep checkin by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 09:47:39 PM
back, but I hope it gets fixed at some point.
see you later chrth, I hope we didn't get virused... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:48:03 PM
...although wouldn't it have got everybody here?
(Brogue accent) Peter Petrelli ... become rage! by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 09:50:19 PM
Dirty ChrTh Secret: I hated that movie, especially the ending.
hey chrth, I can click on all other TB's just not here by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:50:35 PM
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when I click here my browser becomes non responsive by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:51:36 PM
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Prof: Me too, that's why I believe it's the troll's fau by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 09:52:10 PM
lt. Timing works out for when I stopped being able to access the page.
and I have to end the program and start over... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:52:15 PM
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Kensei by Kraken	Oct 1st, 2007 09:52:16 PM
Is Linderman.
...fuckin' weird, maybe the mods can fix this... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:53:34 PM
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...banning the troll might help... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:54:08 PM
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It was crashing me in IE, but it seems okay in Firefox. by CatVutt	Oct 1st, 2007 09:54:15 PM
Just thought I'd mention that.
...anyway, I'll see if I can get back on in the morning by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 1st, 2007 09:55:24 PM
...to any who can read this, goodnight.
cut off early by Shakes	Oct 1st, 2007 10:00:50 PM
So does anyone know how it ended. My DVR clicked off right was Claire was walking outside. Was there another scene after that, or was that it. And also, what did the preview for next week have to offer?
One more thing (Isaac lives!) by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 10:01:28 PM
Sulu's death was 1 in a series of 8. Are all 8 deaths, or attacks, or ? Isaac lives!
Good episode. by TattooedBillionaire	Oct 1st, 2007 10:22:27 PM
"Get out of my head!!!" I loved that. I hope the TB starts working soon. I can't get it to work either.
what happened to this talkback? by The_Fredo	Oct 1st, 2007 10:27:27 PM
weird as hell. as for Heroes, i got that episode 1 would be a bit slow (trying to re-set the pieces on the chessboard). But this is a bit ridiculous now. They ought to be hitting the ground running. We know these characters. And the ones we don't ought to be coming via Origins.
Claire! Call the police! by UMAGA	Oct 1st, 2007 10:31:16 PM
That creepy fucker is outside your window jerking off!
Call me crazy... by Retlaw Kciuq	Oct 1st, 2007 11:14:27 PM
But Supernatural is way better than Heroes and deserves a lot more respect than it normally gets. That's great genre television, people. Lost, Supernatural, The Office, and Battlestar Galactica are my shows of choice. Fuck Heroes!
Claire's toe: Pay attention to the show people(&Shakes) by chrth	Oct 1st, 2007 11:26:46 PM
Claire's brain function is required for her healing power. That's why when she's stabbed in the head, she doesn't regenerate. Since her toe has no brain, it won't grow a new Claire. I know we went over this last season. Shakes: Claire and Mr. Muggles go outside. Claire finds Suresh's book on the ground, Mr. Muggles barks at the sky. To Be Continued ...
Claire is an idiot by Fridge	Oct 1st, 2007 11:33:50 PM
She watches the dog stare up into the sky, bark, and jump up and down. Yet she doesn't look up, she looks at the book. She knows there are other people with superpowers, and the guy clearly couldn't have gotten away that quick on foot...yet she doesn't look up. What the fuck else does she need? The dog to pee on her face, slap her around a little, then point at the guy flying away?
Does it still rip off Watchmen, X-Men, 4400? by BrowncoatJedi	Oct 1st, 2007 11:48:50 PM
And Rising Stars? Let me know when the stealing of ideas stops and maybe I will start watching it again.
Pete's Brain... by MisterE	Oct 1st, 2007 11:51:45 PM
I bet Peter's skull cap is in the box. Syler scalped him and ate his brain. He's growing a new one, but that's why he can't remember anything.
Latin Twins storyline = Nikki/jessica storyline by Merlox	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:00:06 AM
no that's not a good thing... otherwise a pretty solid episode. I liked it.
This show is SO badass by JeffManSixtyFo	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:01:22 AM
:)
Mr. Muggles Ate Claire's Baby Toe!! by buffywrestling	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:03:29 AM
That was fucking excellent! Unfortunately - or not, depending - that was the only part I saw as I walked in the door from work. So I expect plenty of discussion and spoilers, people. Chop, chop!!–
Where's Sylar? by thebearovingian	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:10:33 AM
Don't you know? He lives inside all of your hearts.
Will she grow a new head? by wintocha67	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:11:11 AM
I thought about cutting my pinky off before, but I was really depressed, not expecting it to grow back.
Lightning(spoiler) by Crimean	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:17:00 AM
Peter's lightning power is proof that he ran into Kristen Bell's character(who is confirmed to have electricity based powers) before he got locked in the box. And amnesia IS THE WORST PLOT CONTRIVENCE EVER!
Amnesia? by Mockingbuddha	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:20:04 AM
How come nobody's annoyed at the amnesia thing? I mean you have to do something so that sensetive Peter Parker doesn't just turn into an all powerful god type, but amnesia? Maybe they could have had him get so emotionally distraught over his nigh unlimited powers that he could impose a mental block on himself that ... I don't know, maybe amnesia's not such a bad idea, but the TB'ers diidn't let that shit slide in Spiderman3. amnesia=outrage!!
Sigh by Anton_Sirius	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:21:29 AM
I'd getting a little pissed off with the way they're justr blowing off all the dangling plots threads they didn't want to follow up on from season 1. Writing out Parkman's wife and UNBORN CHILD just so he could play daddy for Molly? Umm, I can just barely swallow that one. But didn't Nathan just get elected to freakin' Congress? If he's going to mope around and grow a beard, shouldn't he be doing it in Washington? I'm starting to get a "Lost season 2" vibe, and that ain't a compliment...
Crimean by Mockingbuddha	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:22:28 AM
Your anti amnesia comment wasn't up when I posted. Good for you. Amnesia sucks.
Fuck you, whoever wrote this episode by MrEkoLetMeLive	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:37:55 AM
Note to the writers on the show: you cannot have your cake and eat it to. Either Peter's amnesia means he can't access his powers, or he can in which case when the guy with the bad Irish accent is threatening to burn the box with his identity in it Peter should just be all "Here's what I think of your threats..." and then fuck him up with six different kind of superpowers. And I know what their bullshit answer is gonna be "Well his state of mind is such that yadda yadda yadda, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit." It was clearly established in this episode that if Peter wants something badly enough, he can access his powers to get it. He wants out of the ropes? He phases through them. He wants to save the nice Irish girl? He fucks up the guys with lightning, telekensis and super strength. He wants the box with his identity in it? Suddenly he's a spaz. LAAAAAAAAAAME!
Thanx chrth by Napoleon Park	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:43:22 AM
Tiy are right about needing functioning brain matter to trigger the regeneration process. Otherwise they could do a Clone Saga with Claire 2 regrown from the front of her disected torso from season one. But no one wants a Claire-bear who's all tits and no brains - that would be like watching a Pam Anderson series. Larry of Arabia, bless you for wanting me banned for being smart and rational. What's the opposite of affrionted, taken aback? And to the Browncoat and everyone else who obsesses about Heroes borrowing details and ideas from comic books, I remind you of this. a toy company paid Marvel to license spider-Man for a toy dube-buggy "Spider-mobile". Marvel actually wrote the vehicle into the continuity, with a Japanese car company giving Spidey a car to use in return for the publicity. and two issues later he ran it into the river. On Heroes Claire gets a Japanese car in a blatent product placement and it gets stolen the next episode. Even the idea of product placement was borrowed, though not from comics. it was an episode of "Alias", with Sydney Bristow shouting "Quick, get into the F-150!" The assumption that in a crisis someone would shout out "F-150" instead of "into the truck" or "into this black pickup" is silly, the assumption that anyone you're talking to would even know a Ford F-150 by sight is overly optimistic. Prof, you Are the Professor; Ororo, you are totally Ginger.
bacci40 by Ribbons	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:10:25 AM
Well if you'll read further up in the TalkBack you'll notice that somebody from County Cork says that the accent sounds bogus. But by all means, continue bagging on us dumb Americans. Maybe you just don't have an ear for accents. That said, I guess I don't either, only in the opposite direction, because the dude's Irish brogue sounds fine to me.
Quoting a TV Guide is NOT news by Canadian Cricket Team Fanclub	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:16:12 AM
For fucks sake, AICN -- you did it with Lost, and now you're doing it with Heroes. Quit copy-pasting the TV Guide blurbs and write some proper fucking news!!!
So what happen to DL? by Amadeo Zeller	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:31:49 AM
Is he dead?
As Mama Petrelli said by XAOS	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:35:42 AM
GET OUT OF MY HEAD! That, combined with the smug "Oh, telepathy. That's so adorable!" smile on her face made me love that scene.
I give this show max 1 more season to pull it together. by wolvenom	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:50:51 AM
Seriously the writing is shit, and the only thing saving this show from becoming a total abortion is Hero himself.
by far one of the worst episodes of Heroes ever... by wolvenom	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:52:14 AM
I found it completely lacking
ONE THING CAN SAVE THIS SHOW... by wolvenom	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:57:34 AM
hire some real fucking writers who know how to weave a storyline. IE lets have some semblance of a plot, character relationships, good vs evil dilemmas, twists, common sense, motives,... give us a fucking bone for christ sake. The only thing that keeps people watching this show is the characters have superpowers. Here's why other superheroes in comics worked... THEY WERE ALL CRIME FIGHTERS! THESE SUPERHEROES SIT AROUND JERKING OFF AND NOT FIGHTING ANY CRIME... SITTING AROUND STEWING IN THEIR WTF IS WRONG WITH ME BULLSHIT.
HEY PRODUCERS!! ALL SUPERHEROES WORK CAUSE... by wolvenom	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:58:26 AM
THEY ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON! THEY ARE ALL CRIME FIGHTERS
Peter's electricity power by Executor	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:58:42 AM
...Kristen Bell is supposed to have electricity power and debut in Ireland. Odds are he ran into her in the missing 4 months and she figures into his storyline.
bacci by Ribbons	Oct 2nd, 2007 02:52:16 AM
Are you, like... drunk or something? I have no idea what you're talking about.
brainmeltry... by down75	Oct 2nd, 2007 03:08:49 AM
Someone just explain Tony & Tia Rodriguez' powers to me. We have a regenerator a flyer and all kinds but wtf kind of power is I make people bleed out there eyes and then they die till my bro shows up and makes it a'ight. I assume its some kind of Cloak & Dagger rip-off but with the lack of any kind of back story or story really for the most part its just falling flat (at least for me). I was actually excited about these characters when I heard about em but I dont get the execution. Do we have to have a huge mysterious power reveal for every hero on the show? Cant we just get something straight for a change instead of weeks of waiting to be let down.
The Haitian does not have his necklace on anymore by zooch	Oct 2nd, 2007 03:19:27 AM
Pete does. The Haitian is responsible for the memory loss, somehow. Peter is bad ass this season. Samurai Hiro is great. But how on earth is Kensai immortal? I wasn't aware people could have special abilities back in those days. Or is he a time traveler too? Liking the twins more and more.
I realize it's still early, but by The Selecter	Oct 2nd, 2007 03:24:44 AM
most of the storylines so far are lacking, if not dull. You know it's bad when Mohinder has one of the better ones, and the return of Niki is something to look forward to. Hiro and Ando work best as a team; the story in Japan with Kensei is lame. Grunberg is a likable actor but is unbelievable when playing anything except a nice guy. I guess the wonder twins will eventually serve a purpose, but at this point, she just needs to be slapped and told to get it together. Get them to NY, already. Do you think "the Company" photograph was taken by the same guy who took the one of the X-files conspiracy group? The Magic Box...enough said. HRG is not playing the tradeoff between supremely confident (when talking about taking down the company) and paranoid (when talking to Claire) right. I really hope things kick into gear when Sylar and Bell show up. BTW, didn't anyone note that Harry's wildest fantasy was confirmed in this episode?
The first episode wasn´t so bad by CuervoJones	Oct 2nd, 2007 03:24:50 AM
I mean, Heroes is not a masterpiece of television, just a kiddie superhero series.
They're totally ripping off Moorcock's "Behold the Man" by Uncle Stan	Oct 2nd, 2007 05:21:54 AM
A time traveler goes back to meet Jesus and discovers that the reality doesn't match the biblical mythology, so he takes on the role of the Jesus he read about. I bet you can guess how it ends. Damn fine book.
Wow folks, settle down by Bradstreet	Oct 2nd, 2007 05:21:54 AM
The show's not that bad. I like it.
Watching, but... by rbrog77	Oct 2nd, 2007 05:36:24 AM
I am becoming less and less of a fan.
I'm surprised at the negativity (and Amnesia) by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 06:25:58 AM
(although this IS talkback) ... I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Granted, the Claire storyline needs to do something soon, but the Haitian segments were really good and Ma Petrelli kicks all sorts of ass. The reason we're not criticizing the amnesia is because it's implicit that amnesia is a lame plot tool, hence the futurama quotes floating around last talkback. However, the Haitian's necklace means it's NOT amnesia, which makes that very well done as well.
Needs more Cowbell by Mr_X	Oct 2nd, 2007 06:55:24 AM
rememebr how good the mini series of the 4400 was before it turned into complete and utter shite? lets hope heroes does not go down that root. The whole hiro back to the future storyline is boring. Hiro has spent all of season 1 trying to stop the end of the world,and now with no sense of any urgency is hanging around in japan. You know what would actually impress me if hiro did actually change the past so the peter did actually blow up ground zero at the end of season 1. The whole peter weapon x amensia storyline is boring. will you have some budget to actually get to use super powers and someone throw down a fight. come on people!, angel/buffy had a small budget and managed it every fricking week. and the death twins, what the hell is happening here, she's killled about 40 people, dude, mayvbe its time you thought about actually killing your sister yourself and doing the world a favour.
Not amnesia? by supertoyslast	Oct 2nd, 2007 06:55:38 AM
I think that memory loss - no matter what the cause - is almost always a lame plot device. I was disappointed when 24 and Lost used it in their first seasons. It's most often used to lazily string out a storyline for a few episodes. I'm not sure if the memory loss being caused by a necklace rather than a bang on the head makes it very well done.
i like how when momma P is getting interviewed by Magic Rat	Oct 2nd, 2007 06:57:33 AM
she says someone wanted revenge, then Parkman asks her if anyone wanted revenge on him, and the other detective is like "woah, woah, woah, what are you talking about," like that was a totally inappropriate question to ask of a woman who was just at the scene of a murder.
Oh good the TB's fixed... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:02:01 AM
...if Mr. Muggles had Claire's powers he could never be fixed...
Speaking of Mr. Muggles... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:03:44 AM
...is that Maria Sharapova's dog from the camera commercials? I think Muggles knows more than he's telling... ...are there Animagi in the Heroesverse?
"Tony and Tia Rodriguez?" by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:07:13 AM
"Escape a la Montana de Las Brujas" (...I hope I got that right my Spanish is pretty shitty)
...there should be a circumfles accent over the "n" by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:11:03 AM
in montana... but I don't got one of thems... wait, what's that thing... ~ oh. never mind.
oh jeez. circumflex with an x... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:12:26 AM
...if i'm gonna show off how smart i am to piss bacci off... i better but be fucking stupid while i'm doing it...
...better NOT be... ...not better BUT be... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:15:46 AM
...oh never mind... i've already fucked this thing up beyond all regocnition... so, what would happen if Muggles did eat Claire's toe?
I got it! Mama Petrelli isn't upset because Peter's by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:16:22 AM
dead ... she's upset because she's behind his memory loss! We already know she's in cahoots with the Haitian. The question is whether PETER is in on it too (yep, Total Recall).
...the virus that killed Mohinder's sister... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:21:47 AM
...seems pretty damn selective who it infects... The question is - is this a laboratory created virus? Or is this someone's power at work? We still don't know what Mother Angela's actual power is yet do we?
Besides being Badass? Nope, we don't know by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:24:39 AM
We don't know where the Haitian has been, so it's impossible to say if the virus has some sort of pattern (outside of writer fiat)
Best part of last nights ep by ATARI	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:33:48 AM
Proof that Claire will always be a virgin -- Harry, are you paying attention?
Ok, here's what we got so far by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:33:59 AM
(Ignoring the DL/Nikki/Mycah and Sylar threads in this analysis since they've only shown up in promos) Plot 1: Murder Mystery. Someone from the League of Extraordinary Gentleheroes' past has come to mow them down. The presumption is that it's one of the people that used to be a member that split off per Linderman. Plot 2: Peter in Ireland. Peter has somehow ended up in Ireland. Since it appears the Haitian was involved, this was very deliberate, so something must be going on there that required Peter's brain-free involvement. Plot 3: Hiro in Japan. He's there to make Kensei into what Kensei is supposed to be. Plot 4: The Mole. Mohinder is inside the company to take it down, with HRG's prodding (and presumably involvement in the future), at the same time, Mohinder has to deal with Plot 5: The Virus. It may be spreading. It could jump to normal humans. Only Mohinder can stop it. Plot 6: Molly Walker. Something's up with her. Probably tied into Plot 1. Plot 7: Claire and Clark Kent. Not sure where they're going with this one, but I hope it goes somewhere soon. The HRG-Claire 'you have to conceal yourself' speeches are already approaching the Buffy speeches in season 7 in terms of repetition and lameness, and it's only been 2 episodes (iirc, it took 3 eps for them to get boring in BTVS). Did I miss anything?
chrth you're right the whole Claire arc is Buffv! by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:48:29 AM
...with HRG as Giles, the mean cheerleader as Cordelia, the lesbian as Willow, and Flyboy as Angel... (they gotta bring Zach back now to be Xander) ...and Claire's toe WILL grow a mimi-me Claire who the Bennet's will pass off as her "long-lost little sister" who of course will turn out to be the KEY to all the various mysterys...
...and this means that a Claire/reformed Sylar romance by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:50:22 AM
... will happen a few seasons down the line...
...he eats her brains and they just keep growing back.. by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:52:27 AM
...did anybody else catch Claire and Michael Myer's romance in the Bill and Ted show at this years Halloween Horror Nights? The best part was when Chris Hansen showed up!
where was Sylar? by Trooperof3	Oct 2nd, 2007 07:55:00 AM
I miss Sylar... And I really hate that Peter has lost his memory. it's like season 1 all over again.. "I dunno how i did it.. sometimes i dream i'm falling sometimes i'm flying" This season needs to pick up the pace a little bit. this episode all we learned is Mr. Muggles lieks to watch TV dog shows.
I CANT BELIEVE NOONE HAS MENTION THIS... by JBouganim1	Oct 2nd, 2007 08:28:15 AM
Guys...and maybe a girl....The drawing on each picture of the soon to be dead old superheroes means "Godsend"....Hiro called Kensei a "Godsend"......hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm I think we know who the killer is.
My only problem with the 2nd season by Riggswolfe	Oct 2nd, 2007 08:38:18 AM
I don't much like the new characters. They're well acted and stuff but we already have a large enough ensemble cast, let's not water things down anymore please.
The Hatian's Necklace by Grungybones	Oct 2nd, 2007 08:54:07 AM
Peter shows up in the box wearing the Hatians necklace and has no memory... hmmm. odd that. also, has anyone else noticed how dark the scenes are. hard to see whats going on half the time. Might just be me. but the commercials are nice and bright, so i know it aint ma tv.
Peter's amnesia is PMessica's power by jimbojones123	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:17:06 AM
He got DL's powere and also gained Nikki/Jessica's power of split personality. His split personality hasn't developed yet like Nikki/Jessica, so it's starting out fresh. Who knows if it will turn bad too???
Syler by I Know What You Did Last Night	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:23:52 AM
I don't think Peter is Peter at all. I think he is Syler... Just wanted to put that out there so if it happens I can say, "I told you so."
THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT "Enought to kill the DEVIL!" by gride9000	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:33:26 AM
The spiritual lady tells the Guatemalan girl that she has "enough power to kill the devil. She will make it to America and kill this evil guy. How you ask, read next post
some quick observations by wykedengel	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:33:42 AM
chrth - the hatian returning to hati would make sense if he were one of the types that wanted to die in his homeland and not foreign soil. btw, i thought is was awesome that the hatian's way of thanking mohinder was wiping that part of his memory. ep 2.2 - solid episode with plot advancement mixed with plenty of action. i love how people can kick ass and still look aloof doing it smiles. pursued_by_bear - loved the se7ven reference. claire/kensei - i wonder if they are related being that they both have the healing thing going on. could flyboy be nathan's son also (if that were the case then it makes that potential love thing with claire seem kinda gorss) if they are brother and sister, it seems that nathan really got around. parkman's unlikely help is going to be nathan and or angela petrelli. kensei - if he is immortal, i guess he could be the father of all the heroes and therefore could be pissed at how they are using (misusing their abilities) so it is time to wipe out this batch and start over. it would be awesome to see a kenzo/future hiro sword fight.
re:behold the man by losder	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:34:38 AM
moorcock, hahahahahah!
It's a real damn shame they don't have better writers by veritasses	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:41:28 AM
Heroes is a collection of great geek moments that are stitched together rather poorly. It's fun to watch the superpower scenes but good shows shouldn't piss you off every 5 minutes with unforgivably stupid dialog/plot/action. Very sloppy writing by people with no sense of logic. It's too bad because it has all the potential to be a great, classic show but as it stands the annoying moments just cancel out the great moments and we're left with something that's just 'ok'... And for crying out loud, please stop with the stupid, silly "whisper" promos... Last season it was "save the cheerleader" and now it's "THE BOX!!!"
SECOND MOST IMPORTANT POINT, Freddy Krugeresque by gride9000	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:42:56 AM
The new more menacing killer from the old peoples past is "the boogie man". Peter's mom gets attacked in her dreams by him. I think these 7 killings will be Freddy Krugeresque. They will happen in dreams. I believe that the little fingering girl will help Lation girl destroy new bad guy.
The virus isn't spreading in the usual way by INWOsuxRED	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:46:58 AM
although I think Parkman will get it, because only people that go into other people's heads get it. Molly, Hatian, Mohinder's sister could get into people's heads when they slept or something. It is possible Mama P gives it out, and that was the deal when she yelled at Parkman. Haitian just got it, and he has been in contact with her recently.
BLUE ELECTRICITY Peter got all of Sylers power duhhh by gride9000	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:51:17 AM
he killed many people before the shows time-line began, and Syler could do some shit like that. Yo, you guys takin notes???
Where is Uluru???? by INWOsuxRED	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:51:31 AM
The whole thing about the Cobretti twins having enough power to kill the devil made me think she will eventually kill Uluru when nobody else can. The first appearance of Uluru would certainly be a great way to end the season and make everyone want a season 3.
INWOsuxRED who is Uluru by gride9000	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:55:51 AM
like Ayers Rock?
Sylar, Niki & Micah back next week, Uhura in 2 weeks by SpyGuy	Oct 2nd, 2007 09:57:24 AM
...and Kristen Bell in 3 weeks. So now you know and knowing is...something, something.
INWOsuxRED & gride9000 by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:00:34 AM
gride9000: When did Sylar use an electricity power last season? Please tell us. BECAUSE HE DIDN'T. INWOsuxRED: I like that -- the disease spreads by getting into people's minds. Very well done!
He had powers we didn't see. by gride9000	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:06:32 AM
There is the possibility that he got it from another person that will be reviled in season 2. Or its a side effect of the Nuclear power. Is that the only thing you've read that I wrote this morning? Whatadouch...
How do you know he had them if you didn't see them? by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:09:41 AM
You're obviously not reading the rest of the TB because we've pretty much established that it came from Veronica Mars. And of course I'm not going to read what else you wrote as you're obviously 10 years old as evidenced by your 'duh' comment.
Focus, people! Why is Peter in Ireland? by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:15:13 AM
(Besides to get Malcolm Reed working again) He was mindwiped by the Haitian. His mother was likely involved. He might have been involved. What purpose is being served here? And if Mama Petrelli knows, why not tell Nathan?
gride9000, Uluru is the rock monster by INWOsuxRED	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:19:48 AM
from the 9th Wonders comic. Apparently Kring says Uluru won't be in the show, but I don't get the feeling Kring has a plan outside of a few archs here and there. At some point, if the budget is right, Uluru will show up, especially if they were to make a movie or something like that. Uluru would raise the stakes in a way that this season probably won't be able to do.
S2 didn't start big enough by Genre_Boy	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:21:32 AM
I'm not big on the Big Federal Investigation™ but everybody involved in the show could have done a better job with the first episode. Sure, there's a new disease that's killing off super-powered individuals and there's some new Watchmen-like conspiracy that's killing off some of the Golden-Age heros and Hiro's in Japan, propping-up the reputation of some ancient hero. So what? Kring and company have sent the show flying in a thousand different directions with first 2 episodes and that's not going to help them keep viewers – especially if the ongoing stories aren't contributing to the hard-bought continuity they got last season. We know that Kring is half-lying about not reading comic books at this point but there's no reason to do full-reversals on the characters he so painfully built last season. Nathan Petrelli was a politician with lots of connections and a promising career – now he sits around his apartment growing a beard? Bad. And he knows his out-of-wedlock daughter and her mother are out there in the wilderness getting ready to cause more problems for his family and reputation? Double-bad. And whether or not Nathan and Ma Petrelli are aware that Peter is alive or not, they should be out there doing Princess Diana-like public relations if not to keep themselves in the public eye, then to deflect any bad press since Peter was almost the Exploding Man. (And yes, there's a precedent for super-heroes in unpowered public service: See Brian K. Vaughan's 'Ex-Machina' about an ex-hero being the Mayor of NYC.) I'm at a bit of a loss here – after the threats to public safety during tha last episodes of the first season, the police should still be hunting for Sylar and the Federal Gov't should be looking for a way to monitor and control these super-powered individuals – it's too soon for a Legacy Virus. Jeph Johns should have discouraged that direction until the 3rd season, at least. The 2nd season has opened in such a fragmented and disparate way, I'm not sure that it'll make it to Season 3. What's most disappointing is that neither Kring or the NBC programming Execs ought to have been on top of this, making an effort to both keep and grow their audience. I'm not sure where this is all headed...
Stupidest Part by turketron	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:25:21 AM
Was where the Irish guy threatens to throw the box into the fire. One of those head-slapping Naked Gun 33 1/3 moments. DID YOU NOT JUS TOTALLY DEMOLISH THREE GOONS? DID YOU NOT JUST HEAL EARLIER IN THE EPISODE? HOW THE HECK IS THIS GUY GOING TO GET YOU TO DO ANYTHING WHEN YOU COULD KICK HIS ASS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE???? AAAGGHHHHH!!!!!
turketron: yeah, pretty much, or how about it by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:37:45 AM
Go ahead and throw it in the fire, I'll pull it out.
Claire's pain threshold by fanboy71	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:38:43 AM
Claire must have a pain threshold greater than Jack Bauer, since she barely winched after putting her hand in boiling water, AND cutting her fucking pinky toe off. I'd have been rolling around on the floor screaming like a ten year old girl. She just acted like she was a little uncomfortable. Wasn't it established last season that she feels the pain of all her injuries? (Just like Wolverine?) The difference is that Wolverine is old and battle hardened, and Claire is a whiny teenage girl. The writers must think we are idiots. AND why the hell wouldn't Peter just use the force and pull that fucking box over to him and walk out the door? His TK doesn't work on wood??? (ala Golden age Green Lantern)
turk... by wykedengel	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:39:23 AM
for that matter, he could have pulled a hiro and stopped time. there is something here that we are all missing (or that the writers are not telling us yet). maybe this is all a setup and pete is in on the rouse, so he cannot do anything to blow his cover. maybe it's shoddy writing, i don't know.
fanboy71: I don't think she feels pain by chrth	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:46:51 AM
I think her reactions are always of the icky/surprised variety, not the ouchy variety. I don't remember any reaction of hers that indicated pain.
sophmore jinx... by reelfan	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:49:55 AM
doesn't it seem like there are too many stories at one time...let's get some more Hiro in Japan or Peter in a box...but having 7 stories at one time is a bit much. Read my blog here: http://www.reelfans.com/articl es.cfm?story=365&blog=heroes2
gosh anchorite you must be really bored... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:57:55 AM
... to try so hard to pick a fight like that, and nobody takes the bait... What's wrong, are you not singing in a show right now?
Mohinder Faked Memory Wipe!!!! by I Fight For the Users	Oct 2nd, 2007 10:59:20 AM
Guys,Mohinder faked the memory wipe. He told Noah on the phone "I sent the package your way", with Noah looking up and smiling "It's already here..." The memory wipe was a dramatic effect for the audience so that the ending will have that oh my gosh factor of The Hatian is now helping Noah and Mohinder!!! And the Company knows Molly is with Mohinder, Bob mentioned that it was something they could look the other way about when they met.
wouldn't it be funny if Nichelle Nichols was Uluru? by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 11:04:04 AM
...Then David Letterman could introduce her to herself... Uluru... Urhura... Urhura... Uluru
Burned Face Nathan by I Fight For the Users	Oct 2nd, 2007 11:30:31 AM
As a burn victim, I have a theroy on where the writers are taking that small snippet from the last episode. When you've been burned like that, such as I have (85% including my entire head and face), you tend to still think and see yourself as who you once were. You kind of oblivous as to "wow, I really am that fucked up!". Sometimes, depending on my mood, I still see the old me in the mirror. But once in awhile, if I'm feeling kind of down, and I catch a glimpse in the mirror of myself, I see my burns. I'll even go further as to say sometimes my friends and strangers I've just met say they don't notice my burns because of my attitude and how I present myself. That's what we the audience are seeing. We are seeing Nathan on how HE wants to be scene. But he was drinking and depressed, and he let his guard down and we saw his burns. Peter isn't burned, well, because he can heal.
Nathan can fly AND has a burnt face?... by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 11:56:59 AM
... OMG he's Burnt Face Man! www.burntfaceman.com
I Fight For the Users by wykedengel	Oct 2nd, 2007 11:57:44 AM
i can see your point and that makes a lot of sense. i think nathan's situation is that he is wallowing in guilt because i believe that he thinks that his brother is dead. also thinks that angela knows differently, but doesn't want anyone, including nathan, to know that he is still alive.
I'm sorry Wonka, that's tagruato.jp by PROF IKAMONO	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:15:04 PM
...not traguato like I said above...
Did Ando and Parkman ever meet? by SimpleSandwiches	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:17:09 PM
I just watched the season finale last week (and have already forgotten it) but didn't Hiro drop Ando off in Tokyo before the big showdown with Sylar? The only other time those 2 characters were on screen was in the future episode. Of course Parkman doesn't recognize Ando...! And Nathan is being all emo and not keeping up his public appearances and isn't partaking in Congress becasue the beginning of episode 2.1 says, "FOUR MONTHS LATER". A lot of poop can go down in 4 months....
the writers of this show must think we're really stupid by wolvenom	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:27:10 PM
The whole "I just annihilated all your buddies but im going to let you threaten me and blackmail me with something i could just as easily grab from you with my powers" I think everyone here can agree about that one thing that was major wrong about the episode.
It was Peter in the mirror by Hunter-X	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:32:52 PM
I can't find a screenshot online (yet), but it was definitely Peter in the mirror with the severe burns. Nathan was thinking about him and feeling guilty. The whole mirror thing was just a visual clue to what Nathan was thinking about. And Peter's lightning powers will be explained in a couple of episodes. He met someone not revealed yet. I'm also guessing he met up with Niki-Jessica and DL at some point since he "exploded". He definitely did not have their powers before he flew off with Nathan at the end of season 1.
Hunter-X by SimpleSandwiches	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:35:07 PM
I'm assuming since they were all in Kirby square, Peter took on Nikki and DL's powers as well. As for Molly and Micah...not so sure. Maybe he wasn't able to copy those since they are so young....
Yeah by turketron	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:36:31 PM
Unless it's a rouse, there is no reason for Peter to be taking orders from anyone... unless they pull the whole "he can't control his powers when he wants to, it was just a spur of the moment reflex when he saved the girl" copout. Very interesting that the reflex allowed him to uniquely dispose of each of the three goons using a separate superpower... shock, TK, and super strength. Very cool looking when he punched the thell out of that guy btw. Blugh... I just want to see Peter using his powers like the badass we know he has the potential to be (like in the 5 years gone future episode).
maybe he survived the explosion by... by turketron	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:40:00 PM
What if Peter somehow used DL's power to phase when he exploded? Would the resulting explosion have had no effect on the surroundings, as it would have passed harmlessly through everything? Heck, would it even have had any effect on Peter? Shit, I'm guessing Peter purposefuly had his mind wiped, to keep from being a threat.
What a shitty episode. by s00p3rm4n	Oct 2nd, 2007 12:55:49 PM
Worst-written episode in a long-ass time. The dialogue was awful. The reaction shots of characters crapping out those scene tags were random and awkward and badly edited. And Milo could've fucking worked out a bit before this premiere. He was probably busy tagging 18-year old bum. But still.
Peter needs to be de-powered badly... by Merlox	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:24:20 PM
or at the very least set up some fucking rules for the character. Within 5 more episodes he'll have reached godlike ability for crying out loud. There's nothing interesting about a character that can do EVERYTHING(and more!) and yet still does nothing. At least Sylar has the whole creepy brain eating thing but he needs to be depowered too. I'm hoping one of the plotlines this year is Uber-Peter hitting a big reset on his capabilities. Hell, while we're snagging things from all over the place have him only able to access people who are near him(a la Sync) or only able to keep and store 5 powers at a time(a la Mimic...and yes I know Mimic can store more but only use 5). They also need to get some action going...I mean for crying out loud Bionic Woman had a better fight scene in its shitty pilot than any fight in Heroes period.
I finally watched and WOW! by ororo_munroe	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:38:18 PM
Nbc's new online player has closed captioning now and it plays clear as a bell! Impressed I really like the actress that plays Caitlin. Her accent is really good too. Hiro was adorkable! Too bad he is falling in love with yet another woman he can not have. He is going to be Kensei until he trains him up a bit. How awesome is that!? Kensei is a healer like Claire! So Claire may live forever if Kensei is actually in our time too! Chrth- No way would Mama P remove her sons memory with how unstable he is. The Haitian may have done it on someone elses orders, but not Mama P's. Oh, and read the online GN, because it seems they seriously bridge the gap this year. The GN tells us the Haitian went home to die and showed something interesting with Mohinder! Go read it for cripes sakes. simplesandwiches - I honestly don't think they did ever meet. Hunter - I posted the link to the summer article that shows it was Adrian/Nathan all scarred up.Just control F and search my screen name. Prof - Where is Wonka? Did he change his screen name too? I don't see him. Oh and Prof- what is a gaijin?
Kenzei in the past is Linderman in the future by Stormwatcher	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:39:22 PM
You know I am right. He heals, he has a british accent. He looks like Malcolm McDowell, Linderman said 'Tell him to give me my sword back' in Season 1 which we thought just meant he stole it then but clearly that's an in joke that will be apprciated years from now. Anyways, tell me anyone how I am wrong on this?
Seriously Kenzei HAS TO BE Linderman by Stormwatcher	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:41:21 PM
It makes sense. The spoilers say that someone in upcoming episodes returns who they thought was dead. Linderman can heal others and himself. We still don't know the Brits real name other than Kenzei, in Ep 7 or 8 right before Hiro returns to the future he will ask him name and discover that it is Linderman. Trust me. I know.
that would be cool (Kenzei = Linderman) by turketron	Oct 2nd, 2007 01:56:59 PM
That would be an awesome development... will he be able to regenerate his brain meat after what DL did to him? It would create an interesting plot and rivalry between Linderman and Hiro, with Hiro wondering how he went wrong, and Linderman waxxing about how living for so long can make one see things in a different way.
Dear Zooch... by Psynapse	Oct 2nd, 2007 02:05:24 PM
Considering the ratings for the premiere of Bionic Woman you MIGHT want to check a fact or two before deciding to talk out of your ass.
Smallville owns this show... by wolvenom	Oct

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