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Spoilers Are Unleashed For
The Return of NBC’s HEROES!!

Finally by Beltorak_69	Sep 24th, 2007 05:30:39 AM
can't wait, and thanks to the internet this can be seen outside of the states :-)
HEROES, BAYBEE! by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 05:31:50 AM
And SECOND! is the new FIRST!
2nd is the new 1st by DarthScotsman	Sep 24th, 2007 05:31:58 AM
Heroes better up its game...
Go Heroes! by TattooedBillionaire	Sep 24th, 2007 05:33:00 AM
I can't wait for tonight!
Nathan returns with a giant beard by Napoleon Park	Sep 24th, 2007 05:37:15 AM
So Katie Holmes-Cruise is on the show now?
Nichelle Nichols by TattooedBillionaire	Sep 24th, 2007 05:43:25 AM
Good to see more Star Trek alumn making appearances on Heroes. Now, we need to see Nimoy take on Sylar!
HOORAY! HEROES IS BACK! by chrth	Sep 24th, 2007 05:56:56 AM
Not reading the spoilers, be back at 10pm EDT/9pm CDT. Excelsior!
Nathan... by Pandas-R-Us	Sep 24th, 2007 06:04:03 AM
...has one thing Peter didn't. A GREAT BIG BUSHY BEARD!
it starts again... by goku_z	Sep 24th, 2007 06:14:08 AM
but wish they would show more than one episode a night.
Awesome by The Tenth Doctor	Sep 24th, 2007 06:14:25 AM
I'm really looking forward to the entire Monday Night NBC line-up. This should be great enough to make up for "Deal Or No Deal".
YAY! Although Fuller's departure makes me nervous. by Yeti	Sep 24th, 2007 06:14:58 AM
One has to wonder if Claire's new lesbian friend will also "disapear" ala Zack once the network/manager/actor portraying the charecter realizes the charecter is gay.
Spoiler on Claire's ... by Hercules	Sep 24th, 2007 06:25:21 AM
lesbian pal. The actress playing her got a job on Desperate Housewives, so Claire will make other friends.
about time! by just pillow talk	Sep 24th, 2007 06:37:03 AM
Yay lesbian friend! They've just one-upped season one already!
Cha ching by Chewbaccalypse Now	Sep 24th, 2007 06:42:05 AM
I think they should have the lesbian friend kiss Claire while trying to confess her unrequited love. Then the friend runs away in shame! (to work on desperate housewives) You know it would be promotional GOLD!
meh by 1st and only	Sep 24th, 2007 07:12:49 AM
Is it me or did this show completly fall apart in the last third? Also, Why does everyone have to be linked to everyone!?it's infuriating!! Gonna take alot of good reviews to get me watching series 2.
Still a rip-off X-Men, 4400, Lost, and Watchmen? by BrowncoatJedi	Sep 24th, 2007 07:36:17 AM
And Rising Stars. Are the writers and producers still feigning ignorance about where they are stealing their ideas?
I'll catch up when Sci-Fi starts showing the repeats! by captboulder	Sep 24th, 2007 07:40:20 AM
I'm not getting fucked again! That shit hurts!
This seasonThe Legacy Virus by arrangedletters	Sep 24th, 2007 08:15:48 AM
I just can't wait to see what they do with the Clone Saga.
Bring back Christopher Eccleston! by SpyGuy	Sep 24th, 2007 08:17:11 AM
Eccleston was great as Claude, so I hope he makes a return appearance sometime this season. So welcome back, HEROES...You have a lot of work ahead of you to make up for that disappointing Season One finale, so don't let me down. Oh, and welcome back to all the "HEROES ripped off (Insert name of comic book or sci-fi series here)" posts. Thanks for pointing out something only four thousand of you have pointed out before.
Illegal Alien Heros? by rsswope	Sep 24th, 2007 08:27:34 AM
Why just because they wanted Latino actors you have to make them illegal aliens? Is this how Hollywood looks at Hispanics today?
agreed Spyguy... by just pillow talk	Sep 24th, 2007 08:29:28 AM
One would think Claude will make a reappearance at some point during the season. I'll also be curious to see what the Haitian has been up to. Ripped off posts are the best...they just never get old.
Hey, with 20 million illegals here... by Elvis Cole Lives	Sep 24th, 2007 08:31:59 AM
Oops, I mean, "undocumenteds" here, you've got to play the percentages, right? ;)
HIRO, HIRO, HIRO... by Lain Of The Net	Sep 24th, 2007 08:56:33 AM
...is finally back! Can't wait!!!
Dang overspoilers by jimbojones123	Sep 24th, 2007 09:00:34 AM
MUST RESIST--- I'll see if I can after lunch or not.
I wonder who dies... by gorydon	Sep 24th, 2007 09:27:37 AM
Probably Micah's dad/walk through walls guy...I really hope they don't blow it this season...And Peter with amnesia? Can't we make a law banning that contrived plot device. Really? It's like a writer's crutch to throw in drama...Does anyone not think Peter will get his memory back by the 5th or 6th episode if not sooner, and it will probably have something to do with Claire finding him and helping him remember...Man, I hope I'm wrong.
And the R.I.P. Award seems to obviously go to... by Booster Gold Lives	Sep 24th, 2007 09:34:53 AM
...D.L., since Leonard Roberts isn't listed anywhere up there, either as an "also starring" or "guest starring." Plus, Niki and Micah leave Vegas to start over after...something. Now, is D.L. murdered, or does it take him four months and an episode to die from that gut shot? It's a shame, either way. Character had some potential.
^^^I agree by filmstu2005	Sep 24th, 2007 09:44:17 AM
DL should not have been given the backseat. He had a kick ass power, and they're letting him go to waste. I would like to have seen him step out of his ex-con stereotype and become an important character. Oh well. HEROES SEASON 2 BABY! Let's get it on. It actually sounds pretty interesting and im hoping they dont blow it. I couldnt resist reading the spoilers. Damn curiousity.
I'm guessing DL as well by Bloo	Sep 24th, 2007 09:47:46 AM
I like the char. and I like the actor but I'm guessing that's who's going to bite it thus bringing Claire and Nikkijessica togather because the murderer will be Claire's boyfriend or lesbian galpal thus causing her to run off to DH. I'm just spitballing here though oh and Hero's rips off Marvel and DC and doesn't give it credit, fess up Kring there I've got it out
Peter not flying by Dax_Bladerunner	Sep 24th, 2007 10:09:36 AM
up to let himself explode at the end of season one made complete sense to me. Tim Kring is making a different kind of superhero in my opinion. If you'll notice both Peter and Sylar use there abilities one power at a time. Each ability takes a great deal of concentration. For Peter to have just flown up into the sky would have taken away from his trying so hard to restrain the explosion. Picture it like this.... you have to take the biggest piss of your life and your doing everything you can to hold it in. You know that no matter how hard you try to hold it in, you're going to have to take that piss anyway. Now, knowing how badly you have to pee, but you are doing everything you can to hold it in, go make an attempt to do something else that takes a great deal of concentration and strength... like bench 300lbs or run a mile. If anything, I call more BS on Sylar stopping the bullets in the final than anything else.
I fear for the Fuller-less 2nd season too by veritasses	Sep 24th, 2007 10:16:54 AM
but I'm keeping my fingers crossed....
thats a lot o' spoilers right there by INWOsuxRED	Sep 24th, 2007 10:17:51 AM
I don't think I can handle knowing the next four episodes. Can't wait for this show to start.
Great TV tonight! What by Omar B	Sep 24th, 2007 10:22:40 AM
Great TV tonight! What heros needs is a speedster now though. Yeah, I love Flash, but really, a speedster in the mix would be cool, maybe even make him a villain and only Hiro can fight him because he can bend time.
I wanna know what DL's mom can do by MetiphisLabs	Sep 24th, 2007 10:26:37 AM
Remember when Nikki said "You have no idea what I am capable of." to her and all grandma did was give an amused look back at her? Yeah she's got some crazy shit up her sleeve.
BrowncoatJedi by yesiamaplant	Sep 24th, 2007 10:31:42 AM
X-Men hardly has a monopoly on genetically superior people, the Watchmen connection wasn't even original in Watchmen, the 4400 was a show about alien abduction, and Lost is a show about a bunch of people trapped on an island. Yep, you really nailed it on those ones.
Sylar was NOT manipulating events... by DarfurOnTheRocks	Sep 24th, 2007 10:35:45 AM
I love how writers claim that their audience did not catch a certain undertone whenever they want to recton something....
About time they got some more babes on this show! by DirkBelig	Sep 24th, 2007 10:42:06 AM
Man, it was a total sausage fest with only Wolverine Girl and Sybil left.
Tim Kring explained the Peter not flying thing as by CrichtonAstronut	Sep 24th, 2007 10:49:19 AM
Peter was using all his concentration to keep from exploding and if he diverted his attention to access another power it would cause him to explode immediately. Though I agree, that point should have been made more clearly in the episode. And the Hiro stabbing Sylar scene could probably have been handled better as well. Apart from those bits I thought it did a decent rapping up the other subplots while offerinbg some intrguing new potential storylines. Best being the promised "Worse than Sylar" bogie man. And of course the return Sylar himself. Also, the prommised appearance of Kristen Bekll is a can't miss moment.
Tim Kring explained the Peter not flying thing as by CrichtonAstronut	Sep 24th, 2007 10:49:20 AM
Peter was using all his concentration to keep from exploding and if he diverted his attention to access another power it would cause him to explode immediately. Though I agree, that point should have been made more clearly in the episode. And the Hiro stabbing Sylar scene could probably have been handled better as well. Apart from those bits I thought it did a decent rapping up the other subplots while offerinbg some intrguing new potential storylines. Best being the promised "Worse than Sylar" bogie man. And of course the return Sylar himself. Also, the prommised appearance of Kristen Bell is a can't miss moment.
And yes, Bring Back Eccelston. Claude was the coolest by CrichtonAstronut	Sep 24th, 2007 10:52:03 AM
Hero on last season. He can be the grumpier badasser Professor X/yoda of the Heroes.
Fuller will be back by fiester strikes back	Sep 24th, 2007 11:05:23 AM
After "Pushing" gets canceled.
DL Already Died! by Elvis Costello	Sep 24th, 2007 11:12:57 AM
Didn't he?
thought and other ish by wykedengel	Sep 24th, 2007 11:31:11 AM
first, a hardy welcome to everyone who will be taking the season 2 journey, whether you're a fan or foe, i think this is going be an awesome ride. i just have a few points i want to make and then i will shut up until later on tonight: 1) gorydon - not sure if you watched season one (s1), but damn, you should be able to remember the names of the characters at this point. additionally, i think peter with amnesia is cool. you have a totally super-powered badass who doesn't know that he is a super-powered badass. imagine the shit that could hit the fan with that one if someone like sylar or the "boogeyman" got a hold of him. 2) booster - i hope they don't kill off dl too soon; however, he seems to have fulfilled the whole, "i got my revenge on the guy that fucked up my life..." role. i agree, his character had some potential. 3) stereotypical characters - i guess nbc wants to try the shotgun approach to ratings: bring in every stereotypical character to appeal to every demographic: we got lesbians, hispanics, african americans, teens, old people, drug users (wait we killed off the doper didn't they smile); peeps with split personalities and asians. i mean, the only things we need is the boogeyman to be a total racist, sexist antisemite who kills because he wants to keep the current president in office to further some civil war and we have the makings of a blockbuster! 4) if they where going with latina steretypes, could they not have used cheech martin? 5) to the whole virus thing; is this to tie in that could it be the g virus from resident evil that infects nikki/jessica and she turns into like a 2-headed zombie? 6) sylar is not dead, but he is not the supreme badass we all thought he would be? could the boogeyman be out for him as well? 7) i always wondered (and maybe someone brought this up in another tb) if sylar got to nikki/jessica, would he then have another person inside of him? okay, i'm done blabbering...i am SO STOKED...
Virus... by JediFredi	Sep 24th, 2007 11:54:20 AM
...could be either a complete rip-off of or homage to the Legacy Virus of X-Men. I'm pulling for homage since there is so much X-mennish stuff going on here!
Keep on ripping off other Superheros by AlwaysThere	Sep 24th, 2007 12:20:25 PM
It's got them to a second season so they might as well continue.
All I have on NBC tonight is Monday Night Football!! by L.H.Puttgrass	Sep 24th, 2007 12:29:50 PM
SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIIIIIT!!!
Oh well. Maybe the Saints will win... by L.H.Puttgrass	Sep 24th, 2007 12:31:49 PM
...or not.
I guess I'll have to wait until Saturday. by L.H.Puttgrass	Sep 24th, 2007 12:37:54 PM

Um, It's "Teen Wolf Too", Herc by FilmCritic3000	Sep 24th, 2007 12:40:06 PM
Between Quint claiming that he calls Mountain Dew's new flavor a unique name when THAT'S THE NAME OF THE SODA to this, this site needs to start paying closer attention to what they're posting. Granted, it's not rocket science but take some time to get things rights, guys.
I won't read it! Can you set Firefox to... by SantiagoAtez	Sep 24th, 2007 12:48:20 PM
...not allow a link to work? Seriously, I'm a whore for spoilers...no will power whatsoever. I need to activate some "parental control" option or something to lock me out of spoiling this show.
Too...much...awesome... by Mooly	Sep 24th, 2007 01:01:24 PM
Wow. I was already hyped about Heroes return and now I can't wait until tonight. I called the whole Peter thing during the finale talkback. It's clear that Peter has no control over his emotions and that resulted in his lack of control with the exploding power. If he lost control of the exploding power, why should we believe he could start using other powers? As for more watchmen rip-off...good. If you are going to make a superhero show and want it to be great, watchmen is the way to go. ALthough I wonder how much of this new "virus" storyline is going to be "borrowing" from the legacy virus story line from Marvel. Stryfe, the time travelling chlone of Cable, tricks Mr. Sinister into thinking he has the DNA of the Summers family. Instead, one of Sinister's scientists opens the canister and releases a virus that could potentially kill all mutants.
yesiamaplant... by TheThirdMan	Sep 24th, 2007 01:05:59 PM
The 4400 has nothing to do with alien abduction, and Heroes, without a doubt, contains many elements from every show and comic you mentioned.
Can't wait by Grendel745	Sep 24th, 2007 01:52:05 PM
So what if Heroes has elements of Watchmen, Rising Stars etc? Doesn't change the fact that I enjoy the hell out of the show and look forward to it each week. It might be different if it was a bad ripoff, but its not. Several of the first season episodes were extremely well done and Company Man was brilliant. I especially like how they made you feel some degree of sympathy for the "bad guy" without redeeming him or having him turn into a good guy. Personally I hope they go with a few smaller story arcs though as opposed to a season long one. Kind of like how comics will have epic "written for the trades" story arcs as well as smaller one or two issue arcs.
It's not just you, 1st and Only by Savage Lucy	Sep 24th, 2007 02:43:21 PM
I agree with 1st, the show completely unraveled during the final few episodes of last season. Up until that point, it was some of the best television I've ever seen. The anticlimactic season finale made me swear off the show for good. And reading these spoilers, it doesn't look like I'll be missing much.
ok, just write a book by OrionMoon	Sep 24th, 2007 04:05:18 PM
Seriously. As a lover of great dialog, I watch "Heroes" for the story. Very few of the actors do anything for me and most times it's painful to sit through the crappy writing....and I was the voice over artist for the MTV VMAs this year. I had to sit through Britney's performance twice. I know pain. -September
quit complaining by DickGrayson007	Sep 24th, 2007 05:22:54 PM
Everyone is complaining that "Heroes" is a rip-off of different comic concepts, no duh, Peter is easily a cross between Poet of "Rising Stars" and Sync from "Generation X" but that doesn't mean the show sucks and if you look around most shows or movies have a premise that is plucked right out of a comic book so for everyone who's beating a dead horse, let it go man. Also, what makes you think a show about superheroes is gonna suffer from the loss of one writer when they have one of the best writers in comics today in Jeph Loeb writing for the show.
I like Fuller, but I don't like what he wanted for Zach by Drath	Sep 24th, 2007 05:35:49 PM
It kind of annoys me that Fuller wanted Zach to be gay when the character seemed to be in love with Claire the whole time. That Fuller made such a big "oh the actor is a homophobe" fuss about it seemed especially petty since not only had the actor played gay people before, but frankly the only character suggesting he was gay on the show was a mean girl who was using it all as an insult each time. I have gay friends how wanted him to end up with Claire and were glad when the gaybashing girl died, yet Fuller seemed to have an agenda that clearly wasn't working the way he thought it was. I know the actor is playing John Conner now, but that show is doomed to be cancelled being a Sci-Fi show on FOX, so I hope the writers disregard Fuller's bitterness and bring Zach back later. He was like Ando, a good companion to one of our lead characters, and I missed him in the second half of season 1. Create a new gay character if that's the golden prize, but let him stay in love with Claire as that was where that story line really needed to go. I am so glad Fuller is working on his own show again though, and I hope Pushing Daisies survives. **************************** *** Sylar was controlling things at the end of last season? Sorry, that sounds like retconning to me. There were problems with last years finale (though much of it was simply a lack of Dinosaurs fighting ninjas in the NY strteets), so I guess if they can fix it after the fact then great. But forgive me for having doubts that it was all intentional.
This show is turning to shit... by wolvenom	Sep 24th, 2007 05:57:38 PM
I'm not impressed by what they're trying to do with the second season so far, but I'll save my criticisms until I watch a few more episodes. They really need to get rid of niki. The actress is a floozy who couldn't act her way out of a paper bag. Personally, I find her character to be the cigarette smell wafting through a restaurant that completely ruins what was an otherwise great meal. Her stupid whiz kid offspring needs to go to. LASTLY, kring with a bigger budget better have the fucking sense to up the special effects and x-men geek factor. LISTEN UP KRING, WE DONT WANT FUCKING DAYS OF OUR LIVES WHEN WE WATCH YOUR SHOW! And that is said with all sincerity.
INVISOTEXT IS YER FRIEND, HERC. by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 06:01:16 PM
Use it! :)
Don't get me wrong by TheThirdMan	Sep 24th, 2007 06:22:08 PM
While I said that Heroes contains elements of X-Men, 4400, Lost, etc., I still think it is a pretty entertaning show, regardless of the flimsy season finale. I do hope they can surprise us and deliver an even better second season.
Hold up. by dance4days	Sep 24th, 2007 07:48:45 PM
The "worse than Sylar" boogieman is revealed in 2.5... and Kristen Bell makes her debut in 2.5... could SHE be the villain?
"This is going to be tough." by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 08:48:14 PM
Aw, hells yeah, Hiro.
MR. MUGGLES, BITCHES! by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 08:51:57 PM
He's the one Molly's scared shitless of!
HRG Guy: Not you normal Copy Kingdom employee... by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 08:56:48 PM
Damn frakkin' straight.
CLAIRE'S BOYFRIEND CAN FLY by cyrent	Sep 24th, 2007 08:57:48 PM
zomg! Hiro's dad is dead.
peter by majortom25	Sep 24th, 2007 09:00:49 PM
Peter is back . I nireland and with no memory but hes back
HOLY SHIT! x 2!!! by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 09:00:52 PM
Say it ain't so, Sulu...
wow, nice season opener by Magic Rat	Sep 24th, 2007 09:01:40 PM
the put the can on the table. But what is in the can? Find out over the next six months....
only one lesbian? by punto	Sep 24th, 2007 09:02:05 PM
does not compute. you need at least 2 lesbians to have them be "real" lesbians, otherwise it'll be just like that dude from season 1 who was gay but never got any (or like 90% of gay characters on TV right now)
Strong by NudeandAroused	Sep 24th, 2007 09:03:55 PM
Very strong opener. Actually caught season 1 finale again. Much better than I thought originally. This show is growing.
dance4days, I picked up on that too by Bloo	Sep 24th, 2007 09:07:30 PM
wrote a post about it around noon central time and somehow it never made it, probably my computer
WORST IRISH ACCENTS EVER! by eggbeater	Sep 24th, 2007 09:07:34 PM
I'm usually not one to come on this site and bitch but I hated this episode. Hiro's character has become a joke. The writers are trying so desperately to make him cute and innocent. It's annoying. And the writing in this episode just sucked. Aliens or robots?! What the fuck was that? And then the cliched boss at HRG's job. Come on. The only interesting character in this episode was Kensi. That guy did a good job. Also Parkmans character still has some life in him. I'm not giving up on this show quite yet but they better start blowing me away. I miss Lost
little dissapointed by lofe101	Sep 24th, 2007 09:11:25 PM
I can see you!! stole that one right from lord of the rings. Nathan really sucks at acting. i still have hope this season will be good though.
An explosive case of amnesia! by chrth	Sep 24th, 2007 09:13:05 PM
Thoughts: Ando sportin' the 'do. Hiro:Kensei::Peter:Claude::Us: Bored Did Tim Kring get beat up by cheerleaders in high school? Get over it dude! My voice is my passport.
Good way to kick off the season. by TattooedBillionaire	Sep 24th, 2007 09:13:11 PM
I thought it was a good episode, but I could have gone without Takei dying. He's too awesome to be killed. I hope Hiro goes back in time (or the future, in this case) to save him. We need more Takei!
A decent opener... by TheThirdMan	Sep 24th, 2007 09:13:19 PM
Nothing spectacular. Raised enough questions to keep me wanting more though.
Jack Sparrow goes to Japan by ScotFree	Sep 24th, 2007 09:13:32 PM
I liked most of the episode, but gawd, the Kensei character ticked me off. They didn't even try to hide his Jack Sparrowness, down to being slapped across the face by a woman out of nowhere. Other than that, I liked it (except for the Nissan commercials played three at a time...enough already!)
god damn west coast! by BadMrWonka	Sep 24th, 2007 09:13:32 PM
I'M NOT READING ANYTHING!!! I'll be here at 10pm PST...and I gotta find a way to get talkback working on my blackberry so I can pass time at work tomorrow chatting with all of you bastidges... looking forward to the return of chrth, ororo, ikamono, napoleanb and the rest...our lives have meaning again! (don't pretend your kid is more imnportant, chrth...)
Way too many damn spoilers by chrth	Sep 24th, 2007 09:14:00 PM
But at least Reed is on the show!
He's right....Sauron is back!!! by BetaRayBill07	Sep 24th, 2007 09:14:17 PM
And damn is Sulu dead?? That sucks.
Goddammit, did Bell show up right at the end of the by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 09:19:49 PM
episode? My DVR shut down right at 10PM; was it one of those 10:01 deals?
so what is the mexican chick's power? by Magic Rat	Sep 24th, 2007 09:23:14 PM
is she some sort of brain melter or something?
Yeah, kill Nikki... by gorydon	Sep 24th, 2007 09:25:21 PM
And Micah too...Have the new baddie do it so it seems like he's this pure evil being. And do it in the couple of episodes. Also kill Claire's new boyfriend. And also kill the Kensei and have Hiro do all of the heroic acts he was supposed to do...Let's just call this the season of death.
Bell shows up in episode 5 by Prior Walter	Sep 24th, 2007 09:26:53 PM
The same episode we find out who Molly's boogeyman is.
Sneakers is a great flick by chrth	Sep 24th, 2007 09:27:02 PM
Everytime I watch it I can't but get angry at River Phoenix. Plus it stars the inimitable Donal Logue, who will be playing the lead in my aforementioned rib-generating TV show, Pyramid.
It stinks! by Lord Megorious	Sep 24th, 2007 09:33:03 PM
That was bad. Really bad. I don't think I'm going to waste my time with this show anymore. Someone should wave a skunk in front of "Heroes" because it stinks.
Dark Phoenix? by REBEL_SKUM	Sep 24th, 2007 09:33:17 PM
are they going for a phoenix thing with peter... The pictures that the girl drew to me seemed like peter, not sure why just a hunch. from my recolection it seemed like by the end of the picture progression there were flames in his eyes. also the whole saving the day only to dissapear and come back with some sort of amnesia seems kind of phoenix esque. I also got kind of a dark sinister vibe from him. I could be wrong about some of this, some stuff went by a little quick (ex. the pictures didn't really mean much to me at the time) but in the end I got the phoenix vibes
that totally put me to sleep. by chiahead	Sep 24th, 2007 09:39:41 PM
only slightly less boring than the finale
Chrth by Mr. Profit	Sep 24th, 2007 09:40:32 PM
I said the same thing outloud in my living room and my family didn't understand what I was referencing. Glad I'm not the only one who watches Futurama LOL... Either way decent episode, but they needed more action and powers and less talking. And I hope this bootleg Legacy Virus storyline isnt the main theme of the season. Finally, Claire punked out in the gym, the paper sales boss reminded me of the "Lost" Locke episode where his boss was a jackass, and Chuck wasn't bad at all.
And shit was that NBC and Nissan trying to.... by Mr. Profit	Sep 24th, 2007 09:44:42 PM
Brainwash us into buying their shitty new car? It was annoying when Claire yelled "THE ROGUE!" when her dad gave her the car. It was unrealistic. 30 Rock summed up product placement best with their Snapple joke.
Great premiere by Charlie Murphy	Sep 24th, 2007 09:47:23 PM
lots going on. was that nathan who bumped into Ando? but what's with the nissan product placement? i fucking doubt cops in whatever country that was drives fucking nissans.
Hahaha... by MichaelM	Sep 24th, 2007 09:50:42 PM
Add Heroes to the list of shows (30 Rock and Arrested Development) who have spoofed product placement so hilari... what? That wasn't a spoof? Oh... Well, I'm gonna go watch AD and eat some Burger King.
Not bad! Kensei... Brother & Sister... by D_T	Sep 24th, 2007 10:07:26 PM
Not bad, plenty of good setups - Sulu!?!?! Oh no, hehehe. The Two-Face visualization in Nathan's head (assuming it was just psychological?) was interesting. Yeah, that was definitely him that pushed past Ando, near the fountain. Love HRG - one of my favorite characters (opinions on him being a super?). Kensei - I think what we're going to see here is Hiro is the Kensei of legend (we already know the real guy falls short of the tales). The B&S/Twins - just thinking out loud about their power. Seems like without the brother present the sister has some kind of "scanner pulse" that smokes everybody.
Dark Phoenix...a double-turn? by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 10:14:55 PM
In pro wrestling speak; if Peter is the one Molly sees, and he goes bad, will Sylar then somehow turn semi-good and we'll have the sequel to their anticlimactic fight as the season 2 finale?
Mr. Profit by Ribbons	Sep 24th, 2007 10:16:54 PM
He looked kind of like Locke's boss from that box company, but he reminded me of Bob Parr's boss in 'The Incredibles' more than anything else (partially because of the "undercover" subplot), especially when Bennett roughed him up.
Also... by Ribbons	Sep 24th, 2007 10:20:00 PM
...if reading other people talking about Heroes' "inspirations" makes little veins bulge out on any of your necks, my apologies. But I thought the episode was decent-ish and I'm not trying to diss it by pointing out said similarities.
lots of set-up for potential greatness by waggy	Sep 24th, 2007 10:25:07 PM
molly's boogeyman, the parents' dark secret, HRG and mohinder going after the company, claire playing the veronica mars role, nathan playing the drunk beared jack sheppard role. can't wait to see how all this plays out!
Hey Jeph, ten bucks to Michael Morcock by Smerdyakov	Sep 24th, 2007 10:28:16 PM
For ripping off the plot of "Behold the Man"
Bell as Heroes' Big Bad would rock more than anything by Pennsy	Sep 24th, 2007 10:38:23 PM
that has ever rocked before.
I hope everyone meets again before the season's end by Mullah Omar	Sep 24th, 2007 10:40:58 PM
Of course there could be a lot going on behind the scenes, but I wish there was more proactive cooperation among the heroes.
The Rogue? by shatfanat	Sep 24th, 2007 10:52:50 PM
C'mon...Rogue? REALLY?!? In a show that is, in theory, so much like X-Men? Ridiculous product placement. That marketing firm should be fired on the spot. About the Peter-Dark Phoenix thing...with Heroes playing so much like X-Men, does anyone really think the writers could pull that off without some kind of huge fan upheaval? The twins' "scanner pulse" thing is what I was thinking during the episode.
Peter...is....Jason Bourne??? by Mike_D	Sep 24th, 2007 10:57:16 PM
I saw a bit of X-Men in this episode (with the virus killing only people with powers), a bit of Jack Sparrow...and at the end, a bit of Bourne Identity.
White Samurai guy by Insane Tiki	Sep 24th, 2007 10:57:36 PM
You can tell they're going to go for a total Jack Sparrow vibe from that guy. Add that to the list of stuff they've ripped off from comics/movies. (Watchmen ending, Evil Dead 2 ending, etc.)
Superman Returns to Heroes by Elvis Cole Lives	Sep 24th, 2007 10:59:04 PM
Yes, the Super-stalker of Mr. Singer's crapfest has de-oldified and is now hanging outside Claire's window... Apparently, Lois Lane's restraining order came through.
Maybe they figure nobody else has seen this stuff by Insane Tiki	Sep 24th, 2007 11:04:38 PM
That's why they rip off geek culture so liberally
Parkman's training exercise... by For the love of Claire Bennets regenerating hymen	Sep 24th, 2007 11:14:48 PM
coughDANGER ROOMcough
bacci40, RE Zach by Drath	Sep 24th, 2007 11:18:20 PM
Believe me, I have gaydar, and Zach didn't come off as gay, so they failed at that, and frankly they should have dropped it and made up a different gay character because Zach worked much better as someone attracted to Claire but with some secret that made him "different." Frankly, I was sure he had a power of his own, and I still think that would be better than "oh, let's make him the wise gay boy with insight into accepting your identity." And if you think the actor was afraid of playing gay when he had already done so in previous roles, you're the idiot.
I think I could make a argument that X-Men ripped off.. by gorydon	Sep 24th, 2007 11:20:02 PM
The Greek and Roman gods. As far as powers and abilities go anyway...Really, you don't have to be totally original to have a great product, you just need to have a quality product that takes from the best and acknowledges that there are others that came before it...Like having Stan Lee be a bus driver and having a pivotal event take place at "Kirby" plaza. Homages to your predecessors.
I'm at a loss.... by Merlox	Sep 24th, 2007 11:20:53 PM
I just HATE to be this guy...I really do. But this episode was barely ok. It was on the level of the finale. Can I just say Legacy Virus and leave it at that? Let me just get that out of my system up front. I don't wanna be the "Heroes is ripping (insert whatever here)" guy. But there are just way too many similar themes that are popping up one after another now. And the product placement as obvious and painfully forced as it was wasn't as bad as NISSAN VERSA shouted in every early ep last season. The needed to open with a BANG after last seasons finale, but they seemed content to continue the whimper. I really like Heroes....I do...and I think I just get so frustrated when I watch it because you can just see the potential. It's all over the place and it's great, but it never seems to really connect. I think it comes down to the ridiculous bitchy cheerleader(again) routine sequence, oh look another shitty power-tripping (and poorly acted) boss, and the completely terribly written death scene of Hiros father. So they throw themselves off a building? That's it? Am I the only one to find that pretty anti climactic? sigh...I'm sorry...I just hate to be the voice of disappointment. But tonight COULD have been awesome. It SHOULD have been.
Good ep, but no match against BSG and LOST by Ashok0	Sep 24th, 2007 11:38:31 PM
I really like "Heroes", I really do... but, it just doesn't have the magic of the New Caprica opening, or Flight 815 tearing apart above Smirking Juliet's (Elizabeth Mitchell was ROBBED at the Emmys!!!) book club.
Mike_D and your Bourne Theory by Ashok0	Sep 24th, 2007 11:40:35 PM
Didn't you see the spoilers for 2.02? Peter was locked in that crate after washing up on a fishing boat with bullets in his back.
This show is....... by Doc_Strange	Sep 24th, 2007 11:47:44 PM
Caca.
Uggg, Frakin' Nissan by ArcherNX01	Sep 24th, 2007 11:49:34 PM
How many times are they going to play this stupid Labyrinth commercial???
Slow down people!!! by Ka Dargo	Sep 24th, 2007 11:52:33 PM
Ripping on it after the premiere? Heelllooooo???..its called build-up. Don't they have like 22 episodes to work all the stuff in? I agree about the cheerleader stuff being shitty but i guess they gotta work Claire in the show. And damn that new mexican hero is a hottie!!Get her cleaned up pronto!!!The flyin kid was cool.
im surprised by slkboxrman	Sep 24th, 2007 11:53:58 PM
that most of u are still alive because if i thought as much about something as u people think about this i think my head would explode.. who cares if heroes borrows elements from other shows ? i dont.... its not a carbon copy and as far as super powers go, is there anything original left ? how bout a man that can make his penis any length at will, and wield it like a sword ?? thats original aint it....ok and now would someone please tell me what MEH means ? is it another geek term or something like EMO ....u all know real people dont use words like that .....just sayin.....heroes rocks, and u would all enjoy it better if u stop analyzing it.....
You fanbois hand me a laugh by dasaroo	Sep 24th, 2007 11:55:11 PM
Name ANY comic book or superhero movie and there are probably a dozen instances of ripping off earlier books or films. Please. Everything is derivative of or an homage to, what has come before. There's very little that is truly original.
Oh, and that Maya chick.. by dasaroo	Sep 24th, 2007 11:58:20 PM
is totally smokin' hot. She made MY eyeballs bleed.
disappointment! by BadMrWonka	Sep 25th, 2007 12:19:57 AM
to add to the list of ethnic stereotypes (black=petty criminal, japanese=nerd/samurai, cop=fat) now we have illegal alien latinos? jesus christ. the shit with the cheerleaders was poorly written, poorly acted, and poorly placed. seriously, you could have thought of something WAY better to accomplish the same thing. why the fuck didn't they just walk away from the bitchy cheerleader? sigh. nathan's arc might be interesting, but he was SUCH A CLICHE in this episode. Hiro in ancient times could be interesting, but don't you think they could have shown us everything they needed to in about 5 minutes, rather than the 15 they spent? I suppose if the white samurai has a power, as was hinted at for next week, it might make more sense to have invested more time in him. the copy mart shit was ridiculous. give HRG more of a foil than a horribly written, overacting moron with a moustache. retarded. TOO MANY CLOSE-UPS!!! and someone should tell mediocre writers that their mediocre lines look worse than mediocre when you do a quick dolly up under the actor's chin right before it. it makes it look cheesy, and for a comic book hero tv show, that's saying a lot. why bring peter back right now? why not leave it at the vision nathan has in the mirror. make us all speculate. THAT'S WHY SEASON 1 WAS SO GOOD!!! they gave you a hint like that, and let it marinate for a week. this time, it marinated for 6 minutes through a nissan commercial. fucking horrible. I think this episode was easily worse than ANY single episode of season 1. I will go on a limb and say that I actually did not enjoy it. it was fun to see the heroes back, but it looks like they were all taking stupid pills for the last 4 months, thanks to some really poor writing, pacing and directing. color me severely disappointed. here's hoping next week turns it around...I'm very scared that this show might have blown its load last season. showing peter off in the first episode was the single worst choice this show has made thus far. much worse than the casting of mohinder. that bitch is growing on me. the writers of this show are not. my disappointment is my passport. PLEASE verify me...
Why do Hispantics on TV by Smerdyakov	Sep 25th, 2007 12:23:11 AM
Always get with stuck with really stupid corny dialogue. These two were one step below Tattoo crying "Boss, the Plane, the Plane"
yeah, that actress was WAY hotter in Heroes by oisin5199	Sep 25th, 2007 12:24:52 AM
than when she was all leathered and pierced in X-Men 3. Callisto my ass. Some interesting stuff in the premiere, most things people mentioned already. I also immediately thought Legacy Virus. If you're gonna steal, steal from the best. Watchmen and X-Men. But when Sulu said 'I never thought it would be you', I had to laugh - so hokey, but yet straight out of a comic book ending. Say it with me: "You!" Also, HRG still = badass. And what happened to Parkman's baby?
This Didn't Need To Be Big by Playhouse	Sep 25th, 2007 12:36:30 AM
The great thing about Heroes is it is a continuing story. And this premiere only goes to show that. I actually found it much more effective than if they tried to have some slam-bang opener, a bunch of filler (though good filler), followed by a knock-down season finale - aka the Smallville formula (a show which I still dearly love despite and maybe because of its flaws). Heroes does the rare thing and actually creates the feeling of a continuing story. To steal their chapter device, this feels like you're still reading the same book while a lot of shows feel like you're jumping into a sequel from season to season. I thought that feeling worked in Heroes favor with this episode. Did it make for the most exciting episode? No. But it bridges well to the next storylines.
Ned Ryerson "The Man with the Golden Spoon" by Shadowhawk	Sep 25th, 2007 12:46:18 AM
It is always, ALWAYS a pleasure to see Stephen Tobolowsky in a movie, or TV show. I love that for the first time in his career, he's NOT the dorky annoying guy.... at least so far!
Good point, Playhouse by Ribbons	Sep 25th, 2007 12:49:15 AM
Is starting with a bang, followed by a series of peaks and valleys (according to sweeps and so on and so forth) really the best way to go? Or is a slow burn better in the long run? I think "Heroes" is burdened with the weight of expectations in this case, but it'll probably play much better on DVD, when people can set their own pace.
this was completely awful by dragon-lord	Sep 25th, 2007 12:54:09 AM
I was hoping the abysmally mishandled season finale was a blip in what had been a flawless season. But if this is how we START season two, this show is already dead. Poor acting, poor writing, cliche scenes, EVEN MORE stereotypes, the melodramatic AMNESIA "character" moment AND a lift right out of A KNIGHT'S TALE AND yet another split personality character?!...and not a damned interesting twist or beat anywhere. BLEH. What the hell happened to this show at the end of last season? Did the studio kill the only writer who knew what he was doing or something?!
Keating was fun, but MEH by GregoryHarbin	Sep 25th, 2007 12:56:06 AM
I'm not really sure why I'm still watching Heroes. It's a mediocre show from start to finish. There's JUST enough cool parts to keep me tuning in, I guess.
How old is the little girl who plays Molly? by Ribbons	Sep 25th, 2007 01:07:39 AM
I wouldn't necessarily call her performance "mature"... but the actress herself has this weird, sort of worldly quality. Anyhoo, I wonder if she is the boogeyman. I might be reading too much into it, but her outburst at the dinner table seemed kind of ominous to me.
um... by SelfSentered	Sep 25th, 2007 01:30:33 AM
has anyone else noticed that this is the SAME story as last year? someone is going around knocking off super powered people. It will be a mystery...until they reveal it in episode 5 or whatever. Watchmen rip-off aside (the blowing up New York thing was a much bigger affront, IMO), it's just the same fucking thing. And Nathan's beard is so stupid looking it looks like he bought it from Eric Idle on theyway to the stoning.
As soon as I saw... by Napoleon Park	Sep 25th, 2007 01:56:56 AM
As soon as I saw the kid that nearly hit Claire, sits next to her in Darwin class and nearly catches her fixing her broken leg, my reaction to his face and haircut is Hey it's that guy that plays clark on Smallboy. Then he starts hovering voyeurisitically outside Claire-Bears window and flies away and I sprained my arm patting myself on the back. I liked the car commercial, but I bet it pissed off some fans that the ad had better special effects (and probably a bigger budget) than the average episode of Heroes. Alias + Jake 2.0 = Chuck. "It doesn't have to make literal comprehensible sense, it's a time travel series" = Journeyman. Chuck was fun, Jman kind of a yawner, but congrats to National Universal for trying an espionage/super-hero-time traveler sci-fi/fantasy block of genre shows on one night. Now cancel Journeyman and put Medium back on Mondays after Heroes like they should have done in the first place last year, and they'll have something. I do enjoy the idea of dropping Hiro down in the middle of an episode of Xena, but what will Ando do now? Oh, and they totally ripped off the idea of putting their Peter-In-A-Box from that T'mberlake SNL Digital Short.
Yeah Um Tim Kring Needs To Stop Writing Episodes by phoenixmagi	Sep 25th, 2007 02:28:26 AM
that was boooooooring! nothing happened. it was a stupid filler eisode. Claire's new guy is a stalker, they keep shoving that fucking symbol down our throat. instead of showing it on the flag and the. on the pics and letting the audience figure the connections or show it once an episode to build up mystery, the fucking teahcer points it out and peter is wearing it! ugh! and what a horrible way for Hiro's dad to die. thrown of a building? really? especially how bad ass we saw him become in that training episode with hiro, he goes out like a bitch. no huge fight again! kring should let others write and just open a bottle of champagne when they have a good day. and stop intorducing heroes. can we really call them that? only hiro and peter and claire can call themselves that. they don't do heroic things. let them be a team already and flush out their characters a bit huh? lets make this season about the characters we know. too many characters.
so.. by soup74	Sep 25th, 2007 02:35:04 AM
lets say you watch an old ep of leave it to beaver, or brady bunch, and its entertaining, but you cant help but think.. "yeah, thats fun, but no really acts like that, good thing we have tv today where people act like they really would in real life." then you watch heroes and see the 'copy king' sniviling boss and cant help but think.. "yeah, thats fun to see him get his comeupance, but no one really acts like that..."
Some of you... by hammerofthegods32	Sep 25th, 2007 02:39:08 AM
are a bunch of whiny bitches. So everything the show does, you dumbasses think it ripped it off. Jack Sparrow? WTF? Because he was a British douchebag? Gee, didn't know all British guys who get slapped in films or shows are ripoffs of Pirates. THX for clarifying that. Bourne? Like no one ever had amnesia before the Bourne books or movies. Dark Phoenix? So, you guys are criticizing the show for ripping off X-Men for a plot point that isn't even true yet and is basically one you idiots' imagination? Wow. First fucking episode. Get over yourselves. And they weren't illegal aliens jackasses. First of all, they were in their own country. They were on the run because they were wanted for murder and were trying to get into the US.
'The 24 Method Versus the Lost Method' or 'Wow, Awful!' by topaz4206	Sep 25th, 2007 02:47:44 AM
Remember that quote from Mr. Kring saying that they would be following the "24 model, rather than the Lost model" of storytelling? In other words, a reboot every season? So much for that. Keeping Sylar alive for 16 more episodes is a yawn-inducing copout. So many "plot"-lines this episode that each character got about 6 poorly-written minutes of screen time. I loved Season 1, warts and all, but the only thing more shocking than how bad this was, is that people are actually defending it.
don't listen to the geeks by zooch	Sep 25th, 2007 03:04:55 AM
This show is great the way it is. I think it's important it stays grounded and does not turn into too much of a geeky special- effects driven show. We still love the character-driven drama! Also people are so quick to point out whatever similarities to the comics they can come up with, but they aren't so quick to point out this show's many originalities. There has never been live-action superhero show on tv this good ever, so can we stop complaining now, please?
Please kill Claire's mother by MrEkoLetMeLive	Sep 25th, 2007 03:06:20 AM
Yeesh. That woman can bring even the most entertaining episode to a grinding halt. Aside from that, dug the episode. Bummer they killed George, but hopefully that just means he has more free time to make appearances on the Stern Show. Thought tonight's episode was just fine. Some nice build up, picked up loose threads from last season, intro'd some new characters, lots of foreshadowing. All in all a fairly satisfying hour of television. Yeah, so they rip off stuff from previous comic book works. But you know what? My mom loves Heroes, and she's never read a comic book in her life. So if she gets exposed to some great comic book storytelling conventions through this show, that she wouldn't otherwise, then that's just fine by me. And it makes the show that much richer an experience for me, because I know where they're cribbing from. It brings geeks and non geeks together. What a wonderful, if not smelly and slightly socially maladjusted stew!
"You're evil, Ma." by American Mythos	Sep 25th, 2007 04:07:56 AM
Best line of the night by Nathan. Haha. It made me think of how many times I've told my own mother the same. But anyway, I friggin' loved this episode. Maybe my judgment is clouded because Heroes is finally back, but I loved it. Was Peter wearing the Haitian's necklace? Looked like it. Plus, his memory has been wiped, which, if the Haitian did it, is irreversible. Or so we've been told. The episode I'm most looking forward to is the flashback one to right after the finale. Should explain a great deal. And I don't want to call anyone a geek and be flamed, but there is way too much complaining about plot similarities. Yes, I notice them too, but it doesn't really bother me. I doubt it bothers a majority of the audience. Heroes is a highly rated show. Do you think every one of those viewers is a comic book fan? No, in fact a majority are probably people who've never read a comic book. They just come home, kick off their boots from a hard day, and want to be entertained. And plot similarities or not, you can't deny that Heroes is pulling off a genre that has never been executed so successfully on TV until now. And as a last thought, I'm willing to bet money that Kaito's killer is, dun dun dun -- Takezo Kensei. Think about it, Kaito did have that look of betrayal. Kensei is going to be revealed as an immortal.
ALL CAPS FOR TEH WIN! by Dutchster	Sep 25th, 2007 04:12:45 AM
Anyways. I really don't understand this whole 'OMFG! TOTALL RIP OF . How many more original powers can they come up with? Every single thing that will be made in the future that includes superpowers will have already been done. 4400 is guilty of it, The Incredibles, heck, even Lost (predicting future?). Lighten the fuck up. About the episodes, I liked it, but didn't love it. I might be a sucker for action, so I think they could've upped that a bit more. All in all though, it had great set-ups.
Pretty good opener by Ironmuskrat	Sep 25th, 2007 05:08:54 AM
No super surprises, mostly just setup, which is fine with me. Hiro's adventure in old Japan was better then I expected. Hiro's dad getting whacked was a bit of a surprise, you would think people would learn to stay off that roof, nothing but bad shit happens there. Since it is the first episode I will refrain from too much nitpicking. I have to say though,if it is HRG guy's intention to lay low and hide out he might want to find a incognito place for his family to live. Its hardly the kind of house a wage earner in California would be living in.
Yeah, Kring should just defer by The Selecter	Sep 25th, 2007 05:15:47 AM
and let the other writers handle the actual writing of the episodes. The lackluster episodes, like the finale, were all penned by him, while the best so far have been written by others.
BOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRIIINNGG!!!!!!! by jojo-pimp	Sep 25th, 2007 05:21:09 AM
Terrible waste of an hour. Last season's finale was pointless cause pretty much everyone frickin lived...so no real sense of loss or threat there. Same old characters except those 2 boring mexicans! Yep...sophomore curse here I smell!
Par for the course by JackSack	Sep 25th, 2007 06:44:03 AM
Meh, it was par for the course for Heroes as far as "setup" episodes goes. This show has always been, at its worst, just entertaining enough to watch and at its best highly entertaining. There's 20+ episodes to get through this season. I'd rather they not blow their wad in the first 4 episodes like 24 did last season and then run out of gas by the mid-season mark. One thing I like about Heroes is that they'll have an episode and then they'll double back a few weeks later to give you different perspective on that episode. Looks like they are doing that this year again with the episode 4 months earlier (or whatever the fuck its called). RIP George Takai. Hopefully they bring him back in a flashback episode. He was great in Heroes.
it was okay by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 06:45:41 AM
I have to agree with BadMrWonka...a stupid move showing Pete alive already. They could have left us hanging on that one, but we'll see what next episode brings. I do like the fact that some of them are still in contact with one another...HRG - Mohinder...Mohinder-Parkman... I'm not sure if Parkman knows about HRG/Mohinder's plan, but I would think so. I've gotta say, I would have expected Sulu to wait somewhere else for Ando and the sword instead of, um, on top of a tall building. Where the killer could easily throw him off the building. Where was Scotty to beam him the hell outta there?? Damn you Scotty. Now the killer was either (a) be able to fly (b)has healing ability (c)is indestructible.
New questions to answer by Alphi1	Sep 25th, 2007 06:54:17 AM
It seems that the episode raised a few questions - either that, or they just did it to eliminate characters. Questions like: Why was Parkman divorced? When we last left them (if memory serves) they seemed to be reconciling. Why was Nathan divorced? Especially now that his wife's paralysis has been healed (by Linderman)? Also, why wasn't Nathan still a congressman? He'd been elected 4 months prior, I guarantee his term wasn't up already.
those questions Alphi1... by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 06:58:29 AM
will be answered in the coming episode "4 months ago".
Claire jumping...WHY, WHY, WHY... by zerotau	Sep 25th, 2007 07:06:34 AM
did it hurt when she broke her leg?? I hate it when the writers brake the rules they themselves set up. She put her hand into a garbage disposal without even fliching! Come on!! It's in the details...
Okay, but Cheerleader Gangs? by Drath	Sep 25th, 2007 07:12:48 AM
Are cheerleader gangs a problem in white collar schools? This is the second time we've seen this particular problem on the show. Very surreal. Otherwise I enjoyed this premiere except for Sulu's death! What the hell?! We never saw his power! Unless fighting was his power, but that's too mundane in my opinion because anyone can learn to fight....unless he was really unstoppable, but then that makes his death worse. I knew when I read there would be a 4 Months Earlier episode that this pilot would only be confusing and that things would be strange. I was pleased to NOT see Nikki this week though, I am not fond at all of her character. I'm curious what the hell was going on with the mirror and Nathan. He can't absorb powers, so does that mean that Jessica's power was to imprint herself on her sibling and by coming into contact with Nikki/Jesse, Peter abosrbed it and so is imprinted on Nathan? Or was that just artistic lisence? Really not a good idea to just be artistic about something like that on this show, it's hard enough to know what to take literally. I really liked Kensei (Capt. Sparrow? Are you shitting me?), and I liked that Claire has attracted someone with her dad's powers--although I'd worry that Nathan has a few bastard running around. Not sure what to make of the Mexican twins--they are twins, right? I read that somewhere. Her power is to cause death and his is to stop hers? Hope not, that's a power that'll grow old fast. Anyway, I'm looking forward to having this on a box set as watching Heroes week to week is torturously slow and there are all kinds of things that you forget or even miss the first time around.
What do days of our lives, all my children, and heroes by wolvenom	Sep 25th, 2007 07:16:23 AM
have in common??!?!?!? THEY'RE ALL FUCKING LAME MELODRAMATIC SOAP OPERAS... The only difference is heroes is played in the evening during primetime... KRING NEEDS TO UP THE SPECIAL EFFECTS FUCK!
Not everything similar is a rip-off by heinz sabbatino	Sep 25th, 2007 07:50:29 AM
Just because something's similar to things that have happened in 90 different comics doesn't mean its all ripped off. The "alcoholic like Iron Man" was definitely a stretch. Iron Man didn't become an alcoholic because he couldn't save his brother and found out his mother's evil. Nathan doesn't need a suit to fly or keep him alive. So what's the rip-off? That they drink? Come on... And not everything is a rip-off of "Watchmen". Everything's been done before. Alan Moore is not perfect. Sulu's last line was extremely lame. The Copy Kingdom boss was straight out of every bad movie that goes straight to cable. And this season premiere is telegraphing everything so much, I doubt I need to watch the next four episodes. Ando has great hair. That new CW show, "Reaper" was much better the first time it was on. When it was called "Brimstone". Take care, everyone. Have a great week.
underwelmed by this epsiode by Mr_X	Sep 25th, 2007 08:07:51 AM
hopefully it doesnt go down the flipping smallville route. i agree bring claude back. not really overlly impressed by the ieegal alien folks, and peter and amnesia? c'mon.. next week boby is found in the shower and its all a dream?!?!?! why on earth would HRG work at a paper shop? is that really underground for hiding? and keeping claires name claire. c'mon folks you're suppposed to be in witness protection!!!!!!! why the hell are he y always at issacs apartment? isnt there anymore plazces they copuld hang out at?
Forget Christopher Eccleston ... I want more by Itchy	Sep 25th, 2007 08:34:54 AM
Jessalyn Gilsig. Mmmmmmm. I can't believe they killed George. He was a rainbow colored flaming pop-culture icon. Maybe Hiro will work some magic to save him. Maybe he'll appear in flashbacks. Who knows. As far as Claire and the evil cheerleader leader, I hope they fall in love. Deeply in love. Because that cheerleader chick is beautiful.
No complaints by Grungybones	Sep 25th, 2007 08:42:34 AM
All in all i was pleased with the premier. They do an excellent job of leaving you wanting more. Sad to see Sulu bow out so fast. Never got to find out what his power was. Interesting to find out how the company was formed... if you can trust Spoonman.
Meh.... by Psynapse	Sep 25th, 2007 09:01:07 AM
Well, they opened the 2nd season as lame as they finished the first. Meh....just.....meh.
Claire looks boxtoxed... by C.K. Lamoo	Sep 25th, 2007 09:08:50 AM
Plus everyone in the California sequences has that creepy George Hamilton tan, except for the pale lesbian. Sulu's power was the ability to teach swordsmanship in five minutes.
cheerleader gangs are a nationwide problem... by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 09:09:46 AM
Beware of the deadly human pyramid! Yikes!
Not a great start... by Yogsoggoth	Sep 25th, 2007 09:19:20 AM
Overall the biggest problem was the predictability. When Claire almost gets run over by the pseudo-fringe / outsider guy I immediately thought "super powers". When the Hispanic brother and sister met up with the smugglers I thought "here comes the attempted rape scene" Sure enough, attempted rape. And I will be willing to bet that Hiro will eventually become the Japanese legend he is always talking about.
Last night's moral: Let Noah drink his goddamn coffee! by SpyGuy	Sep 25th, 2007 09:43:12 AM
And yes, the second season premiere was slow and mostly setup, but so was the first season premiere and look how well that worked out by the seventh episode or so...
I thought last night's moral was... by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 10:00:44 AM
don't wait for your killer at the top of a tall building? AND don't let him run and tackle you off said high building.
oh no, they're setting up a story rather than by INWOsuxRED	Sep 25th, 2007 10:11:31 AM
just jumping into some mindless "action". When will Kring legitimize my existence by saying that he too reads comic books? WHAAAAAA!
Disappointing! Boring! by The Dude Abides	Sep 25th, 2007 10:32:23 AM
I'm sorry, but that was just bad TV. I was completely uninterested. Kring could at least rip off some good writing skills.
I'm all for set-up... by Yogsoggoth	Sep 25th, 2007 10:43:01 AM
when it isn't obvious, predictable, and nonsensical. When we get treated to an hour of cliched plot points, the least he could do is offer us an exciting hook in the opening or ending of the episode.
Why would someone wait to be tackled off a high rise? by Doc_Strange	Sep 25th, 2007 11:02:52 AM
Seriously, it took the guy in the hood like 5 seconds to get to Sulu. I would have side kicked the mother fucker while he was running towards me. This show has just gotten really boring and unwatchable. Lame.
perhaps that's why Hiro took so long to thrust his by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 11:06:47 AM
sword (sword people, sword!) at Sylar in the last episode. He inherited his slow reactions from his adoptive dad, Sulu. In all seriousness, this episode did not live up to the last 2/3 of season one. I certainly hope the show picks up steam, but I won't get too worked up yet. If there's a string of bad episodes, I'll know we are in trouble.
I half expected to see a bloody smile button by C.K. Lamoo	Sep 25th, 2007 11:25:35 AM
lying next to Sulu.
Catchup episode...not impressive by reelfan	Sep 25th, 2007 11:25:40 AM
Most interesting story was the wonder twins, Alejandro and Maya...the rest was just catching up with old friends...nothing exciting: check my blog - http://tinyurl.com/3532uj and leave your comments.
The Amnesia Card by dvdbob	Sep 25th, 2007 11:28:57 AM
Is this anyway to start a season? Playing the Amnesia Card already. Please tell me they have something better in store for us. Please.
Here's an OMSTAIN! - Dancing w/the Has-Beens by Pennsy	Sep 25th, 2007 11:36:54 AM
Never-Weres and Never-Will-Bes was seen by 21.2 million viewers last night. I'm now convinced that reality TV, had it been around back in Moses' day, would have been his 11th plague, just in case the Pharoah didn't get the hint on plagues 1-10. Fuck reality TV, all of it, down to the 9th level of Hades. Lower, even.
OMSTAIN! = by Pennsy	Sep 25th, 2007 11:37:21 AM
One More Sign The Apocalypse Is Nigh.
Eh it was... "eh". by Novaman5000	Sep 25th, 2007 11:46:13 AM
It was all set up, so it's hard to judge, but there were no real "wow" moments, like (as someone said above) the plane ripping apart above the others' camp. I don't expect it to be all out action, we can leave that for the finale, but a couple moments would have been nice. That being said, I'm intrigued about the plot of the bad - superheroes killing off those who betray them... Hiro's dad's death was underwhelming, however. And as for Zach not seeming gay, that's a little silly, no? Just because they didn't make the character a stereotype, doesn't mean he wasn't gay. I thought it was fairly obvious. Does "gaydar" even work on fictional characters?
WFT?? by wykedengel	Sep 25th, 2007 11:55:46 AM
okay, this is not a rant about whether the show ripped off this or that or what influences kring pulled into his writing, this is is to say simply, "IT'S FUCKING TELEVISION...IT IS NOT THAT SERIOUS!" I mean, what happened to being entertained by what you see? This isn't about what you would hope to see or what the writer(s) wrote, this is simply a matter of did you enjoy the hour you spent watching the program. don't get me wrong, i enjoy hearing people's theories and counter theories, but to the point where people are just hurling shit at the show for no good reason. basically it boils down to this: if you like the show, continue watching it; if you don't like the show turn it off. however 1/2 this tb is totally garbage because the space is filled with shit slingers on both sides. talk about the show for based on the merits of the show itself, not its inspirations or anything like that. now, with that said, i thought the season opening did what is was designed to do, introduce key players, set up the inevitable arrival of the baddie, introduced new elements and set the basic plot points in motion. i wasn't looking for the opener to hit the ground running, for me, that would lead to the writers having to constantly one-up themselves with each episode. equate the episode and this season to making love smiles it's good to create a slow build to what will eventually be a deeply gratifying and "oh yes" type experience.
... by Asaraiel	Sep 25th, 2007 11:59:39 AM
You guys realize it's ignorant to judge a series that's based on twists and turns by what it reveals in the premiere, right? Right? Instead of anticipation based on what appear to be big reveals, you bitch and moan because you didn't write it. Geez. I don't think Heroes is the greatest thing ever or anything but the criticism here is ridiculous.
Kristen Bell's first official Heroes photo shoot pics by Pennsy	Sep 25th, 2007 12:05:10 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3979ke. And if you want a look at the TV Guide cover, just point that mouse to http://www.tvguide.com/images/ pgimg/heroes_sept_bts7.jpg
Did Peter Bulk-Up over the Summer? by C.K. Lamoo	Sep 25th, 2007 12:41:29 PM
He actually looks like a wind wouldn't blow him over.
Wow that sucked... by the_pissboy1	Sep 25th, 2007 01:07:58 PM
Craptastic episode. Epically awful on so many levels. The Kensei stuff is ridiculous and over-the-top (not to mention the obvious southern California setting is a poor substitute for Japan). The Claire stuff = yawn. Jack Coleman must have felt like a dolt filming those trite sequences in the faux Kinko's; powertripping manager golly how original. Parkman always has trouble with women eh? Now he has a bratty little kid to deal with. Yee-ha, please why couldn't Parkman have died? Mohinder is just a worthless character and his arcs never prove that useful. And finally, the coup de grace: amnesia!!! F^cking amnesia?! Come on.**********Thankfully no Nikki or her whiner kid and dumbass husband (please kill them all soon!).********* Here's a funny idea - give us some villains. I don't mean one loner wandering around or some shadowy government. i mean, turn some of these characters bad. Very bad. Not sorta bad. Give us something with a little drama instead of all-knowing bad guys and silly vast Conspiracies. Give us people who have decided the normal, easy path sucks.
Sulu is alive and will be back by warp11	Sep 25th, 2007 01:32:15 PM
Sulu/George Takei cancelled his appearece at a Star Trek/BSG convention here in Sacramento this weekend because he was still filming for Heros. That sucked though because he was suppose to sing with that star trek band Warp 11 that I love.
bacci by the_pissboy1	Sep 25th, 2007 01:42:30 PM
I don't give a fuck if the haitian ran a screwdriver through his cerebellum. Even the hint of amnesia is fucking trite beyond all comprehension. Everything about last night's episode was typical network TV. They picked every obvious angle, every cliched-riddled line and every silly plot point. I've seen bad - hell watch any sitcom - and this was the mirror image of bad. For fuck's sake, hire some of Peter Berg's writers from Friday night Lights and learn how to stay within a story while creating tension in the audience because they know you will go toward the obvious and then hardcore fuck the character in a new way or just pile it on the character.
They must be doing something right... by drewlicious	Sep 25th, 2007 02:23:08 PM
The weird thing about Heroes is that it isn't that well-written but it's well told. I can count the endless cliches they employ yet for some reason I can't stop watching. There's plenty of low moments (most notably this time the overbearing boss, a character in this situation is really a half truth. I've worked in miserble jobs like this one and they only go for this crap when they're bored not because they take pride in the job) and a few high points. Those high points are dished out at a rate where I can't wait for the next one. High points this time: the cop and girl, Hiro, and the promise of a great villain and the return of an old one. Also, is it wrong that the most compelling character is a serial killer? I kind of get why he went crazy. All of his life feeling like a nobody, then some scientist comes in tells him he might be special and then crushes him by telling him he's not. For a sensitive personality no wonder he decided to give gray matter a try.
Beards = drunk and washed up by Dapper Swindler	Sep 25th, 2007 02:41:55 PM
It's official now. Better shave that thing if you're hoping for that big promotion.
"I was neither under or overwhelmed..." by Napoleon Park	Sep 25th, 2007 03:05:21 PM
So, Bear, you were just whelmed?
six out of ten by manicart1	Sep 25th, 2007 03:40:56 PM
Not the best episode of Heroes, but some good things. Too many irritatingly precocious children and smart-allecky teenagers. I want all those cheerleaders to die (after they have been bathed, and sent to my quarters). Molly and West are extremely irritating. Hiro and, um, white Samurai dude are awesome. Shame Sulu died but what was he supposed to do? The guy's got to be nearly eighty and if a super-powered chav in a hoodie wants to push him off a building then he can! I think it'll get better. I remember not being overly impressed by the pilot episode but the first series built up. Given the few bones we've been tossed here there's no reason to think that can't happen again. And I like seeing the nods to classic comic plots!
Just watched it and I liked it! by ororo_munroe	Sep 25th, 2007 04:17:29 PM
Maya promises to be one of my favorite characters! I am willing to bet her brother is a goner. Kensei just might be a favorite character too, and I honestly thought I would hate a white Kensei. He is a new form of comedy relief. HRG obviously isn't going to conform and neither is Claire. One of those situation's where you're supposed to do as I say and not as I do. Greg is looking mighty fine! Who said he was still fat? Rude! Look at his scenes from this time last year and look at the scenes from this year. He looks great! Who is Sylar's "shiny new toy"? Peter has amnesia... well... he didn't know much when he had his memory either. Let's face it this might be a way to give the scarecrow a brain. I agree with those that say the evil cheerleader story is old. Hey wonka, bear, chrth, napolean and prof!
people had amnesia all the time last season by INWOsuxRED	Sep 25th, 2007 04:32:21 PM
can't wait to see what Sylar has been up to.
wykedengel... by PROF IKAMONO	Sep 25th, 2007 04:40:01 PM
...just now reading through all the posts so someone else mau have already pointed this out to you... "latina stereotype"??? "Cheech Marin"!!! Last time I checked Cheech was a dude! I mean, I have seen some latinas with some pretty intense facial hair on occasion... but that's just ridiculous...
...oh yeah, and it's Cheech Marin, not Cheech Martin... by PROF IKAMONO	Sep 25th, 2007 04:43:00 PM
...for some reason Cheech's "pussy rant" from From Dusk Till Dawn is playing in my mind just now...
I'd like to see a Batman-like character on this show... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Sep 25th, 2007 04:48:35 PM
Someone who does not have super powers, but works among the gifted. For example, a former black-ops soldier or mercenary could fit in well in the Heroes-verse. Such a character could be the Heroes-verse analog to Batman and The Punisher.
I wasn't entertained with what I saw... by LaneMyersClassic	Sep 25th, 2007 04:54:17 PM
Wow, that was bad. MrBadWonka said it best - read his post above. AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY CHARACTERS - THAT'S BULLSHIT!! The show was pretty good last year - and it had all those characters. That whole copy store part with the stupid manager cliche was god-awful. TiVo Delete Heroes!
Smerdyakov by PROF IKAMONO	Sep 25th, 2007 05:06:21 PM
Dude. Tattoo was French.
Maya by observer(jb)	Sep 25th, 2007 05:09:43 PM
In the show, her character is actually from Honduras. She's not mexican. The actress, Dania Ramirez, is from the Dominican Republic. I read in TV Guide that she supposedly has the power to create an instantly fatal virus and her brother is the antidote. She seems like one of the mutants that "The Company" would try to kill for being to dangerous. Maybe that'll be an upcoming story line: Multiple heroes trying to protect Maya from "the Company". Kirsten Bell is supposed to be a super-powered enforcer for the Company and she tries to locate Peter. She also has no problems killing people. Maybe Kirsten will try to kill Maya.
Uh, Batman character=HRG by Drath	Sep 25th, 2007 05:28:38 PM
He's definitely the most Batman-esque character on this show. I don't think he's out for revenge, if that's what you want though.
bacci40 by Drath	Sep 25th, 2007 05:34:32 PM
That depends, does someone who has an agenda, and sees facts through the filter of that agenda, lie or just misinterpret reality to go along with their ideas about how things are supposed to be? I think he's wrong, and as I said, I think his intention for Zach was misguided and should be ignored now that he's not involved. He's not infallable as a writer, his plans for Sharon's pregnancy in the unmade season 2 of Wonderfalls sounded terrible. I don't let my love for most of what he's done fool me into thinking he cannot make mistakes or that he's got he's always going to be reasonable in a disagreement. As I said, his claim does not match up with the facts, so I think he's bitter and misrepresenting other people's positions either intentionally or not.
17th Century English... by PROF IKAMONO	Sep 25th, 2007 05:45:29 PM
(now that I have gotten through all the posts)... 17th Century English does NOT sound like what Kensei was speaking... he sounds like the Geico Gecko (the current one, not the previous posh upperclass lizard) Read the King James Version of the Bible, Shakespeare, or old copies of The Mighty Thor to hear how Kensei SHOULD have talked (forsooth!) Is this dramatic lisence? (the Japanese characters all spoke modern Japanese as well, with no distinctions in class i.e. Samurai and villagers would NOT have spoken the same way) Or could this be a "subtle clue" that Kensei is also a time traveller?
Honduran twins... by PROF IKAMONO	Sep 25th, 2007 05:49:30 PM
...remind me a bit of the siblings in Brian DePalma's 1978 film The Fury. Does Maya make people bleed to death?
Responses to an overwhelming tb by ororo_munroe	Sep 25th, 2007 06:34:06 PM
bacci40 - I don't know if mama P would be foolish enough to do that. Peter couldn't handle his powers with his memory. I can't see her purposely setting him out into the world... or storage container... without his memory. Your point about the Haitians necklace is creepy. Is it really his necklace Peter is wearing or did Pete receive it from the same person as the Haitian? A person that is maybe going around painting the symbol on pictures of people and then killing them? Alphi1- Why is Parkman divorced? IMO that one is obvious... the baby isn't his. Oh and Nathan's wife left him because he refused to shave his beard. Take this to heart gentlemen. Beards are prickly and scratch our faces. Prof- No, I think she makes people sick, and they die. Her acting was phenomenal! My eyes filled up when she was crying after the incident. stereotypes - can we please look beyond these and appreciate a show that actually brings in characters that aren't all blonde haired blue eyed, and straight? Wonka, I'm sorry you were disappointed. Stick with it. I promise it will get better. bear - You missed this didn't you? I know I did.
Way too much "here and now" in Season 2 by scrivener	Sep 25th, 2007 06:42:47 PM
They blew it, hard. Last season I kept thinking "Wow, no liberal agenda bullshit at all. How refreshing. I wonder how long that will last?" Not long, apparently. It's like Season 2's writers went on a "political hot topic of the month" frenzy. We have Katrina, homosexuals, AND illegal immegration all in one show. The only thing that remains to be seen is how soapbox the writers decide to get with those topics. You throw one bullshit cliche at me and I'm done with the show. I watch the show to escape from the "normal" day to day programming, not get beat over the head with it. Add to that the fact that using these kinds of "big topic" elements in the show is going to date it like fucking Megaforce. Fuck.
scrivener by INWOsuxRED	Sep 25th, 2007 07:58:35 PM
I know it is hard to see people from other countries on TV, and it is also hard to see homosexuals on TV. Liberals always do things like agknowledge Katrina happened. It would be better if we ignored it compeltely, yes. You are correct, people who are displaced, or feel like they don't have a place in the world is a theme that will be dated very soon. It is only relevant to right now.
ororo by BadMrWonka	Sep 25th, 2007 08:35:28 PM
oh you know I'm sticking with it. bad heroes is still better than most of TV. I just really see a marked difference between last season and this episode. I truly feel fuller's absence. I'k hoping that he wasn't the screen keeping it from soap opera cheesy territory, and now that he's gone, we're going to get overwraught acting, and mediocre writing. I'm still challenging anyone to give me one good reason why they shouldn't have delayed peter's return until at least next week, if not the 3rd episode. when I saw burnt peter in the mirror in the bar with nathan, that was a truly "oh shit" moment. let that marinate for a week! I'm most disappointed in that, to be honest. I also don't see why they didn't end Hiro's dad's story this week with him seeing the hooded guy/gal. and just saying, "I didn't expect you." then ando shows up, sees both of them, and that's it. stop it there!! the cliffhanger were so perfectly done last season, and now it's like they take it one beat too far, so instead of "what the FUCK?!? what does that mean? what's going to happen next week?!?", instead it's "OK, I guess we'll see what happens next, next week." it's great to see everyone back, but it just feels like Diet Heroes thus far...even beetle nose ned with the whistling belly button trick couldn't save it.
bacci that was kinda my point... by PROF IKAMONO	Sep 25th, 2007 09:03:16 PM
... I brought up the modern Japanese to show that Kensei's modern English was probably not a plot device... Although it would be cool if it were...
Tonal Shift...Almost a different show! by LarryBird	Sep 25th, 2007 09:35:08 PM
There were about 12 seconds of the season opener that matched the great tone of last year. It verges on campy and the writing is so obvious. And I'm sure someone else has already mentioned the accents...Lucky Charms are nearby.
Oh no, they have ______! I'll never watch Heros again. by Larry of Arabia	Sep 25th, 2007 09:49:11 PM
for blank please insert one or more of the following list of fanboy/dumbass reasons: homosexuals illegal immigrants not shot on location in Japan incorrect 17th century English cliche evil cheerleaders copied the Legacy Virus (or is it Resident Evil, or could it be that movie with Dustin Hoffman and the monkey...) copied themselves by having 2 guys that can fly copied the idea of a someone working in a company with a lot of paper from The Office too many plotlines too few plotlines no character like Batman a character like Batman a character like Jason Bourne you only think is like Batman a character with amnesia not written the episode I would have written Am I missing anything?
LOVED the episode when it was going on by jimbojones123	Sep 25th, 2007 10:24:07 PM
Not to thrilled now that it's said and done. I was really waiting for this and they got stuck way to much in the exposition mode to actually put together any kind of story. Viva El Norte was throwaway. Turn Maya and Miguel into a webisode. We now have to wait 8 episodes for Hiro to take over for Kensi and do his good deeds? Then he finally finds out pappa dies? Peter and Clair's new guy friend look too much alike. I thought it was Peter flying for a moment. Molly kicked ASS!!! She was the best part of the episode. WHY DID WE NOT SEE MORE MOLLY LAST YEAR??? Ready for round 2 though. They can't keep glossing over the good stuff though.
Eating Words by lagomorph	Sep 25th, 2007 10:27:18 PM
It's gonna be fun to come back here in 3 months when a whole lotta fans are eating their words. This is CHAPTER 1 of BOOK 2. Let it unroll, reveal and slowly build like the first season did and you might not feel so disappointed. Stop expecting the sun and the moon from the very first episode. (though technically you did get both in the form of an eclipse). I will say though I thought they shouldn't have pulled the trigger on Peter quite yet. Sylar is still presumed dead though, so they do have SOME restraint.
ororo_munroe by jimbojones123	Sep 25th, 2007 10:33:01 PM
Note to self -- don't shave to keep wife away! Thanks.
As the THIS long before the THAT don't you think THIS by Immortal_Fish	Sep 25th, 2007 10:38:13 PM
all because Herc thinks THAT... FUCK Herc. Fuck AICN. As always. Fuck them. I dig Heroes. It's utterly and hopelessly derivative. But I love it. Fuck you, Herc. Fuck you and your fucking elite dismissals of anything you deem to dismiss. Fuck you.
Larry of Arabia by BadMrWonka	Sep 25th, 2007 11:27:24 PM
you forgot one: fans that don't expect much from a second season opener, after one of the best first seasons of any show ever on TV but that, along with anything on your list, is not going to keep me away, don't worry. don't lump those of us that agonize over each episode, and really get into it, with the doofuses that complain endlessly about it "ripping off" this or that. that's not the same as being bummed out because of the departure of what was evidently a hugely important part of the writing/creative staff...
Mister Muggles.... by fiester strikes back	Sep 25th, 2007 11:42:29 PM
It's pretty obvious to me that he is the Big Bad right under everyone's nose the whole time. They didn't just adopt Claire, but Mister Muggles as well. He only looks like a dog and now that he can't win Best In Show he is pissed off and looking for revenge. Also, cheerleader gangs are awesome. I wish they were on every show. More cheerleaders is always a good thing. You dumb nerds just don't get it.
Mr. Muggles special ability by fistmagnet	Sep 26th, 2007 12:27:32 AM
A little known fact about Mr. Muggles special ability: He doesn't have to sniff your ass to know what it smells like. He just knows.
PROF IKAMONO by messi	Sep 26th, 2007 01:53:02 AM
Kensei should have said "you dare smite the son of Odin!"
IS there really a virus? by Harold The Great	Sep 26th, 2007 02:37:26 AM

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