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What Says Hercules of NBC's JOURNEYMAN, HEROES' New Sci-Fi Companion Series??

how is this show not quantum leap by bootle2	Sep 24th, 2007 05:08:50 AM
It's QL with cell phones and wry, post modern humor and no Al or Ziggy?
If ratings suffer, will Hiro jump into this series? by Mullah Omar	Sep 24th, 2007 05:14:37 AM
Or maybe McKidd will jump back to ancient Rome and drive a Vespa scooter over his alter-ego Vorenus. Talk about your space-time-SAG-continuum dilemmas!
sounds a little too much like by mephista1013	Sep 24th, 2007 05:26:24 AM
The Time Traveler's Wife.
Journeyman is darker and (if by ev1ldead	Sep 24th, 2007 05:34:59 AM
Journeyman is darker and (if it holds uo to the pilot) deeper than Quantum Leap. Second best new network show after Pushing Daisies.
An interesting premise. Imagine finding an I-Pod in '82 by Yeti	Sep 24th, 2007 06:03:15 AM
The whole digital revolution would start some 15 years earlier.
"His motivations are not altogether apparent." by chrth	Sep 24th, 2007 06:05:02 AM
Dude, it's God. You honestly think God would have apparent motives? Go read the last chapter of Job. Besides, we all know the real motive is to get Sam Beckett back to the future.
Yeti: No it wouldn't by chrth	Sep 24th, 2007 06:08:14 AM
Where are people going to store their songs? Hard drive space was very expensive back then, and no one used the Internet to steal songs. While it may have started dominating earlier, the iPod was a result of technological convergence (cheap hard drive space, broadband, compression), not the cause.
how is this show not quantum leap by coachaaron	Sep 24th, 2007 06:46:07 AM
thank you! i've been saying that for months now! it looks like a QT rip without the fun.
Watched in On Demand last week... by Philvis	Sep 24th, 2007 08:38:58 AM
I thought it was pretty good and will continue to watch it for now. It definitely had that Quantaum Leap(which I liked) feel and I think if they keep the stories fresh and not keep what is going on and why secretive, it will do well. Too many of the new shows string the viewer along for a season only to get cancelled, so the viewer is the one jipped. It is scheduled to be recorded on my DVR weekly.
Sounds like it might get old by veritasses	Sep 24th, 2007 10:02:43 AM
after 5 episodes with the same basic story recycled week after week [Start in Present -> go back in time -> agonize over some problem in the past and fix it using modern know-how -> jump back to present -> and show by telling friend how he dealt with problem and/or looking pensively out a window because no one knows what he's going through] At some point I'm sure they'll introduce the "evil" time traveler and/or the "entity" responsible for his quantum leaping. And wouldn't it be great if this guy happened to be a stock broker?
Butterfly Effect by Domi'sInnerChild	Sep 24th, 2007 11:08:25 AM
You'd think a weekly change of his own past would really screw up the guy. Any news on an American version of Life on Mars (the one about a Cop stuck in the 70's by time travel and/or all in his head due to a coma)?
how would an '07 cell phone work in '90? by Zardoz	Sep 24th, 2007 11:39:47 AM
Answer: it wouldn't. Different types of transmit/receive tech. (not to mention which carrier network he would be using, since he didn't sign up with one for his future-phone in the past!) maybe they explain that in the show, I don't know...
NBC's JOURNEYMAN is a good show. by Eh Nam1313	Sep 24th, 2007 11:49:23 AM
I liked JOURNEYMAN it is pretty good. way better than that train wreck of a show BW.
I've been waiting forever for a VOYAGERS remake by jimbojones123	Sep 24th, 2007 12:07:08 PM
Finally, hope we get a Babe Ruth episode!!!
NBC's recent history in this time slot by twitchinmonkey	Sep 24th, 2007 02:02:03 PM
Studio 60- Averaged 8.5 Million Viewers, Gone in 5 months Black Donnelys- Averaged 6.7 Million Viewers, Gone after 6 episodes Real Wedding Crashers- Averaged 5.8 Million Viewers, Gone after 4 episodes I give Journeyman 6 weeks
Day Break was, actually, incredible. by Lenny Nero	Sep 24th, 2007 02:03:32 PM
Release the damn rest on DVD, dammit! And no, I'm not going to finish it off online. That just feels wrong.
Sounds Like "Booster Gold" by C.K. Lamoo	Sep 24th, 2007 02:29:38 PM
without Booster.
Zrdoz re: cell phones by Fount of Useless Info	Sep 24th, 2007 02:37:16 PM
Well, IIRC his cell phone doesn't work in the past in the pilot episode, so I guess they don't have to explain that.
All things considered... by Fount of Useless Info	Sep 24th, 2007 02:42:56 PM
All things considered, this was much better than I expected. I grew to like it more as the pilot went on. There were a couple of changeups past the halfway point that really altered how I felt about it: one that made me think "Oh, that's how they're going to handle that" and another that made me realize there was more to it than I had assumed.
can you say plagiarism? by Gargolito	Sep 24th, 2007 03:56:35 PM
this is a total rip-off of the time traveler's wife
Good or not... by DS9Sisko	Sep 24th, 2007 04:18:57 PM
....this show is basically "Quantum Leap" meets the British show "Life on Mars" (which is in development at ABC with Colm Meaney as one of the stars, methinks). I was a big fan of Kevin McKidd in Rome so this gets a shot.
The Lost Room... by kevsnyde	Sep 24th, 2007 04:40:00 PM
...is the series I want back. Kickass premise, actors and a huge open end. Day Break was awesome too. Should've continued. Bastards. At least Science Fiction appears to be making a comeback.
The Pilot by volcanopele2	Sep 24th, 2007 06:21:32 PM
Personally, I liked the pilot episode. As Fount of Useless Info mentioned, it definitely improves as you go along. I noticed that many of the critics didn't like how the time traveling aspect was handled with such mystery, how it wasn't explained. I felt that this added a very interesting aspect to the show, and to me, is one of the draws for watching more episodes. Hopefully, they take a lesson from Heroes and not from Lost, and not have that mystery go on too long. One season sounds about right. Anyways, this show does pass the "Will I watch the next episode?" test for me. Life, another hyped NBC show, doesn't. Never really liked the "Procedurals with a quirky detective" sub-genre (shows like "Monk", "Psych", or "Medium").
I hate people watching 2 episodes and judging the serie by GreatCzarsGhost	Sep 24th, 2007 08:20:36 PM
Watching the first two episodes and declaring the show a dude or bad is crazy. Hell half the time the people doing the show don't have any idea what comes after the sixth episode since so many new shows are canceled by then. Give the show a chance and just watch it.
I really hope they never explain the time travel. by JackLint	Sep 24th, 2007 09:15:15 PM
its completely unecessary. They didn't need to explain it in Groundhog Day, and it didn't matter. Because it's not the point, it's just a conceit to set up dramatic situations - which this show did well. I really liked the reactions of his friends and family in the present, and his dilemma of staying faithful to his wife while in the past vs. his feeling for his old girlfriend. It was all handled very well. Unfortunately, I know they not going to leave it alone. They're going to try to drum up some Lost-style mystery, like when he meets the other time traveler. Thats the one thing I really hated in the pilot. Still, a lot of good in it.
Premise BLATANTLY stolen from Time Traveler's Wife by Snowden's Secret	Sep 24th, 2007 09:22:24 PM
I read on the NBC website that the producer claimed to have never read it, then another story said that he later admitted to reading 50 pages but there's no relation and he thought it all up himself. What a douche! Give credit where it deserves, with Audrey Niffenegger. EVERY major theme is clearly ripped off from the book. This has nothing to do with "Leap". He's not leaping into other bodies. He's unstuck in time exactly like "Wife". He goes through the exact same problems just like "Wife" and the whole wife/ soulmate theme is represented EXACTLY the same. This guy better give loads of money to Audrey Niffenegger or he's despicable.
Multiple Journeypeople by Charlie Murphy	Sep 24th, 2007 09:44:12 PM
that made me sit up in my chair. i'm enjoying it so far, and had already decided to give the show another hour, but that little twist sealed the deal for me.
All right, there are some differences in the by Snowden's Secret	Sep 24th, 2007 09:50:18 PM
relationship angle, but much of this is clearly stolen
"I'll always come home" by Charlie Murphy	Sep 24th, 2007 10:00:06 PM
okay, I really liked that too.
Where's Dean Stockton? by Triceratops on Fire	Sep 24th, 2007 10:19:28 PM
Oh, he's on BSG, that's right... Aside from the absence of Al's LEGO transmitter, JOURNEYMAN still has some charm. The "other" journey-people was unexpected yet the big draw for me is the idea of having an affair with someone who "may or may not exist" and the moral implications of that.
Moon Bloodgood is hot. by Osmosis Jones	Sep 24th, 2007 10:43:44 PM
Yummy.
just finshed watching it. by soup74	Sep 24th, 2007 11:26:00 PM
sure its a mix of quantum leap and time traveller's wive.. but those arent the most original premises in the world either. it was done pretty well (as was mentioned.. the 'affair' angle, and the showing of other journeymen..or women.. both pretty interesting.) so far its good enough to have reserved a place in my DVR taping schedule. hope it keeps up the momentum.
How is TTW not original? by Snowden's Secret	Sep 24th, 2007 11:41:50 PM
It's one of the most original premises I've ever read, and I've never heard of that particular type of uncontrollable time traveling before anywhere (until J-man copied it). Combine that with the unique love story where they each meet the other while one is adult and the other a youth, thereby having each partner knowing their destiny from an early age), and you have a completely unprecedented idea as far as I know. Come to think of it, what show/book/movie had someone leaping from body to body in order to right wrongs like Quantum Leap? Please cite your examples how these are not original.
Does anyone else think... by RetroActive	Sep 24th, 2007 11:50:30 PM
his wife (Gretchen Egolf) kind of looks like an alien or the Geico Gecko? She has that creepy, Lisa Rinna look about her with less plastic surgery. Weird. And I concur. Moon Bloodgood is hot!
Another thing...(SPOILER) by RetroActive	Sep 24th, 2007 11:54:40 PM
10 years is a long time. The whole, young version's left the room and time traveling version comes back to take his place, thing is a tad unbelievable. Then again, it's a show about time travel and people easily buying into your explanations as a means to a wrap-up in under an hour. Though I'm not really complaining. I enjoyed it.
She isnt just hot....she's exotic smoking hot!!!! by Ka Dargo	Sep 25th, 2007 12:00:45 AM
Catch her yummy tummy??!! I liked the opener, interesting idea of having him jump back and forth to change events. Saved that dude...oops...he kills his wife and kid. Jump back, figure it out kill the dude save the wife and kids. Only like Quantum Leap cuz of the jumping back in time...he doesnt take over bodies and he can return to the present.
snowden's secret by soup74	Sep 25th, 2007 12:12:11 AM
i guess i meant to say the premise of time traveling to ones own past isnt the most original thing ever. ive read time travelers wife and enjoyed it. and yeah it had some great original ideas in it. same with quantum leap. i dont want to seem like im ripping on those shows. im just saying with a premise like this that has been done before, there is still room for originality, even in jouneryman. (for examples of people going into their own past see: the butterfly effect; Peggy Sue Got Married; The Lake House; Seven Days; Lost 'desmond's story'; obviously the time machine; Slaughterhouse-Five.. etc.. point being, the concept has existed for a while, done differently.) that being said ill concede journeyman is a little closer to TTW that other time traveller stories.
The Critics are wrong by Anino	Sep 25th, 2007 01:05:17 AM
This is actually a very good show, and if enough people watch it, they'll like it. I really think critics have done their jobs for so long they forget to think like everyday people and just enjoy a good show. Y'know? It was well written, fast paced, clever and even funny--with enough mystery in it to keep you watching. Hats off to the writers.
and what a hot f'n name! by necgray	Sep 25th, 2007 01:09:47 AM
Moon Bloodgood! Not only is she an exotic hottie, her name is cool as hell. Like, "oh my god, you're gorgeous. Who are you?" "Moon Bloodgood." and you immediately break a chicken's neck and dance around the bloody remains chanting her name...
Great companion to Heroes by thevision	Sep 25th, 2007 01:23:41 AM
Last season, I would get pissed off when Heroes was over because the shows following it sucked, this season its going to be "can't wait for next week, now Journeyman is on!" Journeyman is very entertaining, didn't think First Spear Centurion Lucius Vorenus could be convincing as an '07 everyman American time-traveling hero but he pulled it off. Great supporting cast, Reed Diamond looks like he could be McKidd's brother, the wife is sympathetic and Moon Bloodgood is exotically beautiful. Love living in the west coast because I can watch Monday Night Football on ESPN and tune in to NBC after the game!
Wonderful by rbrog77	Sep 25th, 2007 06:10:23 AM
Regardless of what this may be compared to, I thought it was excelent. The writing weaved the relationship angle into the story rather than having someone lay it out blatently. If I was going to compare it to anything it'd be Medium....mainly for the acting and writing, not the plot.
I enjoyed it too by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 06:56:53 AM
For a first episode, I thought it was pretty strong. In fact, I think I liked that first episode than the season opener of Heroes, and I'm a big Heroes fan. I like that they introduced his old flame as a time traveler as well...talk about a mind fuck...geez. "I thought you were dead?" "Nope, just zipping through time, don't mind me." necgray, I suppose it's a good thing that her name induces animal mutilation in her honor. In fact, I'm sure it is. Case closed.
I Liked It, The "Past" Chick Is HOT!!! by BojTrek	Sep 25th, 2007 07:53:51 AM
The show was OK... The girlfriend in the past is unreal, she is beautiful! Who is she?
If there weren't enough people.... by C.K. Lamoo	Sep 25th, 2007 09:15:53 AM
interfering with a woman's right to choose, now you've got time travelers showing up to preach anti-abortion as well.
now why hasn't hot chick ever contacted him? by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 10:04:37 AM
I would assume that she too can return to her present time, so I wonder why she didn't go searching for him? Especially since it seems like you are limited to the city that you are in when going back in time. I wonder if he leaves San Fran if he will travel back in time, but in that city in which he's in at that particular instant?
THIRTEEEEENNNN!!! by Boxcutter	Sep 25th, 2007 11:06:36 AM
Sorry, had to. Sad, pathetic, I know. But what is Kev doing in this neutered numpty shite? Tired premise; awful script. Let's remember him how we loved him best: hacking the living fuck out of large men with chunks of forged, honed steel.
I can't wait... by GabrielsChains	Sep 25th, 2007 01:15:13 PM
...for the episode where Vassar jumps back in time to stop his brother from going to Vietnam and plays "Imagine" for his sister.
Vorenus, Time Traveller by Anino	Sep 25th, 2007 05:01:16 PM
Can go back in time to say, Caesar, not a good time to visit the senate today...trust me.
Snowden's Secret Re: Originality by Kukalaka	Sep 25th, 2007 05:24:38 PM
DS9's ep "Visionary" is the very same concept. The Chief went back and forth through time at any odd moment and ended up changing a few things. It's been the concept behind episodes of other sci-fi shows and movies too, but "Visionary" was my most vivid memory of it. There's no such thing as an original plot. People just need to accept that. There's nothing wrong with that either -- just means writers need to be smarter with their characters and ideas. I admit I was kinda ho-hum about the show until I saw the other journeypeople angle. That was a cool touch. The toolbox thing was pretty cliche though. Saw that coming. And I wish they had left mckidd keep his accent. -- Ku
I thought it was awesome by DirkD13"	Sep 25th, 2007 05:47:33 PM
I really think this has the potential to become a real crowd pleaser.
I loved this show... by Mezzanine	Sep 25th, 2007 06:26:09 PM
The other Journey people bit, when it was revealed really made me sit up and take notice. I read on a talkback the other day that someone called this show, "slow burning" which sounds right to me... I can only hope NBC keeps it on until the end of the season, because I imagine the season finale is going to be intense!
Consensus is: by Anino	Sep 25th, 2007 06:58:05 PM
Critics AGAIN misread the audience. I think what makes the difference in this show is the brisk writing. Simply explaining what the show is about is NOT the same as watching it. The twist with Moon Bloodgood is Bloody Good. I hope it keeps going. It helps lots that it is right after Heroes, when the audience, with jaws dropped can't believe the hour is done, sit stupefied just long enough to get into the next episode of journeyman...till they're too invested to change the channel or brush their teeth. It's a good fill in for the sci-fi interruptus one feels after the fast hour of Heroes.

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