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Vern Reviews The DEATH PROOF DVD!

Froost! by kingrobot	Sep 18th, 2007 05:52:21 AM
Honk!
I'm not really interested in Death Proof. by kingrobot	Sep 18th, 2007 05:54:15 AM
QT Lost me after Kill Bill.
I'll tell ya what I wasnt thrilled about Vern by IndustryKiller!	Sep 18th, 2007 06:05:42 AM
It's quite simple really. First and foremost I wanted to see more of Kurt Russell actually being a "slasher". He had a few scenes, but ultimately it seemed a random hodgepodge of girls ended up being the stars, and said girls range from really interesting to compeltely unmemorable. They're too inconsistent. Also their conversations go on absolutely forever, especially that diner sequence, which brings the film to screeching halt when tarantino take 15 minutes to say what could easily take three to five. It's obvious that he has such apersonal attachment to these actresses that he could watch the read the phonebook, butt hat doesn't mean he has to subject us to it. it's well acted and the dialogue is organic, but as my friend in the theater sitting next to me said "Get to the point Tarantino." Meanwhile you have the brilliant character in Stuntman Mike just going completely to waste. Just when he starts to really ramp up, the script turns and makes him the victim. WHich, don't get me wrong, was absolutely brilliant and hilarious and one of the best parts of the movie, but I felt he had some more maniacal dimension to explore before we got to that point. So Tarantino is right when he says it's a slasher and a girl revenge flick, but by being both at the same time it is a master of neither.
"buying other people's movies" by bluelou_boyle	Sep 18th, 2007 06:08:24 AM
Vern, great review. Funny stuff. But i disagree with this point. Certainly, some of Harvey Scissorhands editing choices have sucked. BUT, when they buy the rights to these movies, they have the right to make these changes. The movies do not just belong to these 'other people' anymore. The American market - and by that I mean the moviegoing masses, many of whom like martial arts movies but are not hardcore fans - is different to the Asian market.
For such a film geek by Bob Muttonchops	Sep 18th, 2007 06:15:53 AM
His movies sure do have terrible DVDs
I don´t know why by CuervoJones	Sep 18th, 2007 06:26:54 AM
But i liked Death Rroof. Maybe is Kurt Russell´s fault.
Death proof an 'actual movie'? by Windowlicker74	Sep 18th, 2007 06:28:14 AM
I never got that. I saw a movie about a bunch of text-messaging chicks that go to a bar and got killed by this psycho. Then halfway in the movie we get a new 'movie'/episode whatever, about a whole new bunch of chicks who are about to get killed by same phycho, but this time they fight back. end. i'll take planet terror any day of the fucking week
Key sentence: by ButtfuckZydeco	Sep 18th, 2007 06:29:44 AM
"It's a good deleted scene but it doesn't add enough to justify how much it slows things down." Apply liberally, repeat.
I remember Tarantino on the old Dennis Miller show by ButtfuckZydeco	Sep 18th, 2007 06:34:23 AM
on HBO. Back when he and Clooney were running around joined at the hip. Clooney was the guest, but someone from the audience made a crack about Tarantino. Clooney did a: "want me to go get him, I'll go get him and you'll regret it" sorta build up. It was hard to tell if it was a set up, or Clooney was kidding, or what, but it was a really cool moment. You just knew that if Tarantino came out he was going to eviscerate that heckler. Then he did come out, and his rant was really lame. Lotta buildup and hype for a lot of nothing...... Sign of things to come
Planet Terror... by LordEnigma	Sep 18th, 2007 06:36:41 AM
remains the best part of this whole fucking debacle. I will buy Death Proof and enjoy Zoe Bell being Zoe Bell. Yet; I would rather be watching the goofiness of Planet Terror.
Re Industrykiller by barnaby jones	Sep 18th, 2007 06:45:41 AM
I watched DP last night and i have to say i'm in 100% agreement with you. I'd like to go back and see see the original version.
The double feature seems custom made... by rbatty024	Sep 18th, 2007 06:52:35 AM
to watch at home. People don't want to sit in a movie theater for three fucking hours, they want to sit at home for three fucking hours with some pretzels and beer that don't cost fifty bucks. Damn bloodsuckers!
Tarantino turns down "Heroes" in ignorant fashion by Mr Incredible	Sep 18th, 2007 06:53:57 AM
From The Sun September 13, 2007: FILMMAKER Quentin Tarantino has dabbled with psychos in Natural Born Killers and assassins in Reservoir Dogs - but it seems he can't suspend his belief enough to work with superpowers. The cult director has turned down the opportunity to direct an episode of hit TV show Heroes - because he's never watched the series. Quentin - who also gave us Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction - admits he has snubbed numerous offers by bosses of the superhero programme because he isn't a fan. He said: "They were trying to get me to do one. I haven't even seen the f*ing show. "What the f* is Heroes?" Yeah, right. Maybe he should move his face from the coke table, and watch TV once in a while. Have a nice day.
I got it! by maxx36	Sep 18th, 2007 07:03:50 AM
Movie was great and so was Zoe, hope when the release the both movies together they don't add more stuff to them. This only should be the ultimate collection of the movie.
why the fuck should anyone watch T.V.? by Geek Sodomizer	Sep 18th, 2007 07:05:00 AM
Fuck Heroes. And this movie rocked. No the dialogue and script wasn't anything special compared to Pulp Fiction and yes the girl's chatter does get boring on repeat viewings but I still loved the movie as a whole. My favorite Tarantino movies in order are Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill 1, Death Proof, Kill Bill 2.
Alright! Even more scenes with women talking! by solartaco3	Sep 18th, 2007 07:09:04 AM
Extended conversations about nothing! Yeah!
True Romance by ButtfuckZydeco	Sep 18th, 2007 07:10:59 AM
Best Tarantino flick. Search your heart and you'll know it to be true.
Good T.V. > Most movies nowadays.. by turketron	Sep 18th, 2007 07:14:47 AM
Why the fuck would anyone watch T.V.? LOST, THE WIRE, THE SHIELD, HEROES, BSG, DEXTER are just a few reasons why. And the girl's chatter was boring on the first viewing. Bring on Planet Terror or the true Grindhouse double feature and I might care.
Man oh man! by Wogga Wogga	Sep 18th, 2007 07:14:55 AM
mostly totally overbearingly booooring. The scenes with Stuntman Mike was good, but all the women talking CRAP for minutes at end for no reason whatsoever just bored the hell outta me. It was like watching the complete works of Shakespeare - in Martian and in slowmotion. The last car chase was utter (there is no other word for it) shit. Which also summarizes 90% of the whole movie. The last 30 minutes felt like seven hours for fuck sake. Tarantino is a has-been. Has been ever since before Kill Bill. His best work is behind him. Ahead lies only shit. Sad but true. I'm self censoring myself as to the female leads. Suffice to say that Oprah looks more appealing than they do. Apart from Rose.
I hope by ButtfuckZydeco	Sep 18th, 2007 07:16:58 AM
when they release both movies together they don't add more stuff to them too, and that they put them on seperate disks, and that the Death Proof disk actually unspools and is made of a soft, slightly absorbant material which won't chafe my tuccus and doesn't clog my apartment's upon flushing.
Time to bring back "but Kurt Russell was laughing..." by tonagan	Sep 18th, 2007 07:17:24 AM
I miss that catchphrase.
"Shown to Packed Houses?" by Smerdyakov	Sep 18th, 2007 07:20:23 AM
Certainly not packed with people.
nice review by Buffalo500	Sep 18th, 2007 07:27:58 AM
Saw the film last week with QT present (me and QT we go back). Anyway really enjoyed the film. I actually enjoyed the talking scenes as much as the last car chase, those scenes just seemed real, a few chicks hanging around bulshitting and drinking. Loved the soundtrack also, one of QT's best. Can't wait to see Grindhouse in all it's glory although it looks like I will have to catch that on dvd.
Death Proof...pt1. by Lerkst	Sep 18th, 2007 07:30:13 AM
is the worst movie I've seen this year. Even Hannibal Rising was better than this; Kurt Russell is the coolest man alive, but even he couldn't save this pointless film. It's not that it was horribly made, I'm not sure Quentin is capable..it's that it was horribly written. But worse, it defines the word BORING.
Tarantino = hack by Thick McRunFast	Sep 18th, 2007 07:30:51 AM
Kinda sad that geeks are still fellating someone who peaked 13 years ago with PULP FICTION. Yes, Quentin, you love 70's exploitation flicks; we get it, already.
what's wrong with turning down a show he's never seen? by bowtiehoon	Sep 18th, 2007 07:33:07 AM
heroes is like a like a really hot chick you go on a date with and then when you manage to finally get her in the sack, it turns out she has a penis...yeah fuck heroes...
since we got ripped off in Britain by Lost Jarv	Sep 18th, 2007 07:40:31 AM
I went out of my way to get a bent copy of the whole film, and Death Proof was dull. There is no other word for it- it was just dull. Seeing the shorter version totally put me off seeing the longer one altogether. In fact I can not think of amy reason I would put myself through it. A pointless lap dancing sequence does not make up for the utter tedium of the rest of the film
Death Proof by Lerkst	Sep 18th, 2007 07:51:16 AM
..but what bothered me most was what I loved about Quentin in the 90's. His love of things retro. He veered away from it a bit in Kill Bill---and I started to get excited about his work again. But the pointless dialougue, the constant 'soundtrack' placement in Deathproof. It was just too distracting, and I couldn't WAIT for Kurt to kill these girls---just to shut them up. Like Shymalan, I fear that Tarantino may be best writing from source material, or letting someone direct HIS material. Deathproof, despite Kurt Russell, is absolute garbage.
Are the faux trailers included? by Trazadone	Sep 18th, 2007 07:51:43 AM
You didn't mention anything about the trailers. I loved Death Proof but I don't think a longer cut is necessary. I thought it was a bit too long the first time I saw it and there are certainly entire scenes that I will never watch twice (e.g., the women sitting around the table babbling). I'm psyched that this is finally on DVD though.
A great steaming pile of cinematic shit. by TheAllSeeingEye	Sep 18th, 2007 07:51:49 AM
To say that this movie is overhyped is fucking collosal understatement. IndustryKiller hit the nail on the head. There's too much of the chicks blabbering on about fuck all; and yes i get that Tarantino usually puts that kinda dialog into his movies but it's usually interesting or humorous, this was neither. There was also a poor use of Kurt Russel who could have been a fucking brilliant slasher; one for the annals film history. In short, the premise was brilliant but the execution was poor. I've never been so bored watching ANY movie before. Total fucking crap.
Sometimes the theatrical cut is just better by Spandau Belly	Sep 18th, 2007 07:52:21 AM
I always feel bad about saying that, too. I always feel like there's no way some studio would ever know better than the bloke who concieved and filmed the movie, but it happens. Strangely, I really feel that way about Terminator 2: The Judgement Day. I like those scenes with John and Termie getting fast food and talking about humanity and learning how to smile, but they totally throw off the pacing and more is sometimes just too much. But I really like how through non-Blu Ray, non-HD, plain-ol'-regular DVD magic they give you the choice of which cut you'd like to view on one DVD! That was brilliant! Same with my Alien Tetrology box set. Power to the people.
What tarintino did to stuntman mike at the end... by lex romero	Sep 18th, 2007 07:55:56 AM
...of the film was unforgiveable. He goes from being this cool hardass, to an embarresing, snivelling wimp. It seemed completely out of character and took away any threat or danger in the final chase. All the female cast were unlikeable and i didn't care what happened to them.
John Tucker Must Die = better version of Death Proof by Spandau Belly	Sep 18th, 2007 07:57:19 AM
Sad but true.
Too bad this wasn't popular by Series7	Sep 18th, 2007 08:11:25 AM
It would have been interesting to see them make Grindhouse into a series, having different directors try the double feature. But yet we get 8 films becoming a repeat idea? Those movies all sucked.
I want a Grindhouse DVD! by rev_skarekroe	Sep 18th, 2007 08:15:42 AM
Kind of misses half the point when you split the films up and remove the trailers.
No, the trailers aren't there by Purgatori	Sep 18th, 2007 08:22:10 AM
and they aren't on Planet Terror either...except for Machete. At least I didn't see them on the review copy I got. And that sucks ass.
Nice one, Vern. by Zarles	Sep 18th, 2007 08:25:36 AM
Almost makes up for that mess you called a Transformers review. I'll be buying this on Friday.
Kill Bill by Nightwood	Sep 18th, 2007 08:29:42 AM
Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair is listed on Amazon as having a Dec. 25th release date. Since you asked.
Stuntman Mike by Buffalo500	Sep 18th, 2007 08:34:24 AM
I liked what Tarantino did to Stuntman Mike at the end of the film. He’s a real tough guy when he is in his car and has helpless girls at his mercy, but like all bullies when the tables are turned and he is actually hurt he loses all his machoness and becomes a snivelling wreck….makes a great change from your usual unstoppable movie psychos
Death Proof would've been better by Samuel Fulmer	Sep 18th, 2007 08:43:30 AM
with a little less inane dialogue. I give QT credit though, at least he's not afraid to tackle different genres. It may not have worked, but at least he's getting away from the hit men and Hong Kong crap.
Zoe Bell is awesome by PVIII	Sep 18th, 2007 08:50:48 AM
if you like looking at mannish chicks with penises. This movie failed, because by the end I just wanted all the obnoxious, superficial chicks to die horrible, horrible deaths. As did the audience with whom I watched the movie (the collective "damns" gave it away everytime one of the ladies failed to be run over).
Sam Fulmer is right... by gernblanston67	Sep 18th, 2007 08:55:27 AM
Lots of inane dialogue. Deathproof was a lot fo what's great and what's bad about QT. But I liked it in general. A better film than PT. People seemed surprised that they failed at the box office, but think about it, the filmmakers weren't exactly targeting a large demographic. They were making a movie for lovers of crappy movies.
"Maybe he should move his face from the coke table and by Thunderbolt Ross	Sep 18th, 2007 09:00:47 AM
watch TV once in a while." Yes, TV - how could you not watch it? Get off your LAZY ASS and WATCH TV like most active, engaged Americans! Get out there and get some culture, Tarantino!
It figures that a too-long, boring movie... by DirkBelig	Sep 18th, 2007 09:12:02 AM
...gets spooged on by a QT fanboy in a too-long, boring love letter/plea to be adopted. I liked QT - I'm not a hater - but he totally crawled up his own ass and died this time and when I see idiots rhapsodize about this jerkoff as if it had actual merit, I know it's fanboy love trumping reason. It's sad and pitiful to witness. Also, isn't it painfully obvious that anyone hating on "Planet Terror" is just jealous that Rodriguez is banging Rose McGowan.
I Love Death Proof. by Redfive!	Sep 18th, 2007 09:12:23 AM
and Zoe is actually better looking then anyone in it too.I saw them all at Comic Con 2006 and Zoe is drop dead Georgious,where the other girls are very attractive.Marley Shelton coming at a close second. Plus the 2nd half was better then all of planet terror.
Horrible Fucking Movie - Putrid Spew by hatespeech	Sep 18th, 2007 09:15:25 AM
of Satan is what it is, garbage.
Death Proof Was Great by Birdys Piano Teacher	Sep 18th, 2007 09:20:09 AM
Tarantino is a far better director than Rodriguez. And I'll always be interested in his dialogue, which no one else can touch.
Death Proof was excellent by Osmosis Jones	Sep 18th, 2007 09:33:35 AM
Hopefully seperating it from the hyperbolic cartoonishness of Planet Terror (which I enjoyed a hell of a lot on it's own wavelength) will allow people to appreciate it's slow burn pleasures. Zoe Bell rocks!
The worst part of Death Proof: by Billy Batts	Sep 18th, 2007 09:43:08 AM
So you're being followed at high speeds by a lunatic trying to knock your friend off the hood of your car? What should you do? STOP THE FUCKING CAR and let your friend take take 2 seconds to get off the hood and get back in the car. Jesus. You lost him like 3 times yet you didn't slow down for one goddamn second. I can't believe this didn't piss anyone else off.
My problem with Death Proof by LOTGA	Sep 18th, 2007 09:50:29 AM
The problem I had with the whole Grindhouse feature (and Death Proof in particular) was that after Planet Terror which cut straight to the chase with action and never really let up, Death Proof kind of dragged before getting to the good bits. I think if they'd switched the two (despite DP having the better ending) I'd prbably have enjoyed it more. Oh well, I still have the DVD sitting in front of me here at work, waiting for me to take it home and watch it.
Machete by macgruder	Sep 18th, 2007 09:58:55 AM
According to Stuff magazine (not very reliable), Machete will be out around december/january on dvd. Something for us all to look forward to. And Rodriguez is directing it.
best part by Trooperof3	Sep 18th, 2007 09:59:54 AM
awesome cars & Zoe Bell
Death Proof >>> 300 by gruntybear	Sep 18th, 2007 10:02:53 AM
I'll take brainy diner conversation of a table of chicks in tight t-shirts over monosyllabic dunderheads tossing spears at mutants in slo-mo any day of the week.
what a funny review by CherryValance	Sep 18th, 2007 10:20:45 AM
No really, it cracked me up in a few places. Especially the bit about Tarantino's shyness. sigh What can I say? I liked Death Proof too. I didn't like Planet Terror at all really. But the idea that they're releasing them separately just seems more whorish than any other DVD double-dipping situation I can think of. I mean supposedly the whole purpose was to make chopped up Grindhouse movies for a certain movie going experience. But now you've got two complete and probably coherent movies? Okay. The fact that the trailers aren't on it just speaks volumes about the motivations here. Had they released a bare bones DVD with the presentation we saw in theaters now and then released the completed versions of Death Proof and Planet Terror separately for Christmas with a handful of cheesy extras, I wouldn't say anything. That would make total sense. But this is like calling us retards as they're lifting our wallets. I won't be abused.
He lost me at "filmatists" by JackSmack	Sep 18th, 2007 10:27:32 AM
Remember when people could write in English and actually had something to say?
Re:Billy Batts by ripper t. jones	Sep 18th, 2007 10:28:02 AM
Thank you brother, for saying what I've been wondering since the piece of shit was released.
Tarantino's only fault is sometimes he's self-indulgent by HamiltonGeyser	Sep 18th, 2007 10:32:45 AM
great director who sometimes bores the hell out of audiences (see jackie brown). hope he starts making real movie then.
i liked his 70s exploit movie more when it was called.. by HamiltonGeyser	Sep 18th, 2007 10:34:15 AM
Pulp Fiction
bluelou_boyle, you gotta be fucking kidding. by DocPazuzu	Sep 18th, 2007 10:37:32 AM
Why should we cater to the lowest cultural common denominator? What's wrong with exposing people to cinematic "languages" which are different from our own? By your rationale, when The Godfather showed in India, it would have been perfectly OK to edit in song-and-dance numbers so that the Punjabi crowd would "get it". Sure, it might have made more money, but it's still fucking movie rape.
I'll give this a second chance rental by skimn	Sep 18th, 2007 10:46:56 AM
Maybe after the goofy goopy gore of Planet Terror, and those great trailers, Death Proof was a comedown in the theatre. On its own, I'll give it a second chance, but I echo just about every negative post above. And I have loved just about everythings QT has done so far. And wheres the love for Jackie Brown?
QT turned down "Heroes"? by Zarles	Sep 18th, 2007 10:52:04 AM
Good. That WB reject and its high-school-play production values doesn't deserve him.
Sorry skimm, by Lost Jarv	Sep 18th, 2007 10:56:28 AM
Jackie Brown is just meh. Not as bad as it is made out to be but not xcellent either. Death Proof was awful on the other hand. There was an interview with Tarantino in the UK papers last weekend and he came across as being, on one hand, completely in denial about what a sorry piece of shit DP is, and on the other crawling up weinstein's collective arse. Sadly, the wife now wants to see it. Fuck.
on heroes. by Lost Jarv	Sep 18th, 2007 10:57:59 AM
I'm quite enjoying it so far- but am also surprised to here QT turn it down when you look at some of the shit that he has directed for TV. I just want him to finish Bastards.
What Grindhouse needed was a time machine... by Alonzo Mosely	Sep 18th, 2007 11:06:50 AM
So we could have got Res Dogs era Tarantino and el mariachi era Rodriguez, given them a couple of million each and had them make the movies... Maybe that would have had some relation to the concept of the 70s exploitation/grindhouse/drive- in type movie. Rather than getting two well known, Hollywood veterans to do it...
And what is the iconic image of Grindhouse by skimn	Sep 18th, 2007 11:09:02 AM
Say what you will about Rodriguez and Planet Terror, but the image of the woman with a automatic rifle for a leg is something that sticks in the 'ol mind. Talk about female empowerment, with a big phallic gun for a leg.
Death Proof === 300 by Domi'sInnerChild	Sep 18th, 2007 11:09:13 AM
Both looked good in the previews and were boring as hell. The idea of each movie was better in theory than the actual execution. Both left me wanting those two hours of my life back.
Why no English subtitles for Tarantino DVD's? by BanAllFIRSTPosters	Sep 18th, 2007 11:22:58 AM
You would think as masturabatory as he gets with writting dialogue that having his DVD's released with English subtitles would be a must.
@DerLanghaarige by Kabukiman	Sep 18th, 2007 11:24:55 AM
Good call, comparing him to the Coens. Hey, Tarantino, do something original, like the Coens! Look at their last 6 movies, one based on a book, one based on a screenplay by two other writers, a remake, an homage to 40s film noir, a reworking of the Odyssey and a reworking/parody of a film noir plot. Come on, Tarantino, stop referencing the 30/40 year old movies you love and start referencing the 50/60 year old movies you love! I love Tarantino, I love the Coens, let's not be assholes and try to rip one down by comparing him to the others, especially when you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about.
THE BLOODSUCKERS WON'T GET MY MONEY!! by hollywoodsummers	Sep 18th, 2007 11:25:12 AM
Well at least not for this one... but they will for PLANET TERROR, that one was SO much better!! I'll netflix this DEATH PROOF, watch it once and I'm guessing that will be the last time I waste my time on it ever again. God bless Netflix.
"Tarantino's only fault: sometimes he's self-indulgent" by Pound Sand	Sep 18th, 2007 11:25:52 AM
Oh man, that's so perfectly written.
QT Did CSI by Series7	Sep 18th, 2007 11:30:19 AM
Doesn't anyone remember that interesting two parter? I thought it was ok, didn't really notice a QT feel to it. Its hard for famous directors to make shows their own unless they help create them. Like Steven did with Columbo!
Perhaps Not Necessarily QT's Fault by Saggy	Sep 18th, 2007 11:30:30 AM
I am a massive QT fan, but I enjoyed Planet Terror a lot more than I enjoyed Death Proof. There was so much greatness in DP, I wanted to enjoy it more than I did. What turned me off the most seems to be a common complaint: It was a chore to listen to those girls talk. QT defends these scenes with some quote about putting up his dialogue against Preston Sturges' anyday - I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do not think the writing in DP is why these scenes are a turn-off. I think the blame lies in the fact that "QT Dialogue" has become such a pervasive and ubiquitous pop-cultural reference point in and of itself that it is near impossible to act QT dialogue without "doing" QT dialogue. Similar to the way so many hack comedians do a standard "impression" of Di Nero or William Shatner - a genuine interpretation becomes near impossible since we've all been so saturated by the "hack" versions. When the great actors in Dogs and Pulp were originally interpreting QT's material, a real magical synergy occurred. Those actors genuinely infused their performances with their character, not the act of "doing QT dialogue" because "doing QT dialogue" didn't exist yet. In Death Proof, not that these girls aren't talented, but it seems impossible that these young actresses who grew up in the age of QT dialogue saturation would be able to NOT "do QT". THAT is why it is difficult to watch - as actors, they are not creating real characters because they are too busy doing what they think "doing QT dialogue" means - as if using a heavily accetuated "fucking" as an adjective is enough to evoke a character. To QT's credit, it IS enough to evoke recognition of "doing QT dialogue" but we do not get that magical synergy when both the thrill and fun of QT dialogue is matched with an earnest performance like Travolta's or Tierney's. The girls in DP were charismatic, and the dialogue was no more or less arbitrary that in QT's more revered works - but the girls' performances in DP came off like a bad comedian who thinks that All...you...HAVE TO DO, to...do a...CAPTAIN KIRK...impression is...speak...HALTINGLY, and...accent...seemingly...RAN DOM...words... If it would have been possible for QT to cast actresses who had never seen a QT film or a film biting QT's style (and another testament to QT's greatness, it would not have been) I think the results would have been a lot more enjoyable.
Hello! by colematthews	Sep 18th, 2007 11:41:09 AM
My name is Athena, my birthday is february 9th, then I'll be four years old. 123
One word for Death Proof: BOOOORING!!! by rygel	Sep 18th, 2007 11:49:45 AM
nuff said! Tarantino is overrated not very original
anchorite by Stuntcock Mike	Sep 18th, 2007 12:03:58 PM
The only thing you've got wrong is, Harry will be getting them for free.
I think Weintein paid for his honeymoon as well by Stuntcock Mike	Sep 18th, 2007 12:17:00 PM
His HD-DVD player at least.
Who the fuck is Weintien? by Stuntcock Mike	Sep 18th, 2007 12:17:39 PM
Let's try Weinstein
Moriarty, you must have a huge vagina to have watched by future help	Sep 18th, 2007 12:26:56 PM
it 3 times.
Amen anchorite by Purgatori	Sep 18th, 2007 12:27:38 PM
People were asking me why I was so fucking pissed about the releasing they are doing of Grindhouse when I got freebies of the films. I could give a fuck. The fact is, if they would have released them the way they should have, I would have bought them. It's BS, and I'm curious to see if Rob Zombie knows his trailer is lost to the ether, because he was stoked about that flick. I just can't believe it, that the whole point of the thing, trailers and all, is just blown to shit. It's crap and it's unfair to the fans, to ream them like this. The fact is, even Rodriguez said that he humped to make Planet Terror under budget because he wanted to have enough left for Tarantino to make his movie. So my question to the Weinsteins is this...prove to me your flick lost money. Because as I see it, the only BIG name you had to pay was Kurt Russell. Willis did his part for free. The special effects weren't that rampant, and were mainly in Rodriguez's movie, and he's the master of low budget. So I find it hard to believe that they lost the hunk of cash they say they did. This is just flat out greed. And the fans pay the price for their Quad Release Millenium Special Packaging Uber Elite Speical Edition if they want to get the damn thing the way it was meant to be seen.
Stuntman Vern by lucky slevin	Sep 18th, 2007 12:51:57 PM
You nailed it Vern. thanks for that vernacular head shot to all those who backtalk deathproof
Vanishing Point Challenger by digitalcos	Sep 18th, 2007 01:03:11 PM
Not Charger. Stuntman Mike's second car was a Charger though. The girls were drivng a Challenger. Remember, we're geeks... the details are everything.
true grindhouse exp. even possible? by junkinacrate	Sep 18th, 2007 01:08:38 PM
beside the obvious notion of the atmosphere, will it even be possible for a true double feature GRINDHOUSE experience at home? What i'm saying is can you fit PT & the fake trailer & DP ALL on one disc so that you don't have to get up and change the disc? i am uneducated on the format wars (HD vs Blu-Ray) but damn that a lot of info for one disc. if this the case, than what is the big deal about 2 seperate disc? The trailers? This is where we are getting screwed IMO.
Zoe Bell by longshot7	Sep 18th, 2007 01:13:08 PM
God, what a beautiful creature. I would have her babies in a heartbeat.
PLANT by tme2nsb	Sep 18th, 2007 01:21:56 PM
Just kidding Vern ;)
Tarantino's "Heroes" episode summerized: by Mike_D	Sep 18th, 2007 01:22:58 PM
-We see the heroes all chilling around a table at a diner having a 15 minute conversation about drugs. -About 45 shots of Hayden Panettiere's bare feet. -About 20 shots of Masi Oka licking her feet. -Ali Larter shooting up before putting on an internet show where she gets anally raped by Sylar. -And the show ends where it began.
thanks fellas by Vern	Sep 18th, 2007 01:30:46 PM
INDUSTRYKILLER: That's very well put. I can see where you're comin from on that. I think the treatment of Stuntman Mike is clearly intentional, it's a play on your expectations, much like DePalma would do. It's a structure that makes you expect a series of murders and for Stuntman Mike to have this power of the women. But then it pulls the carpet from underneath you, it focuses on the would-be victims and turns Mike into a crying sissy. And I like that. But as a fan of traditional slasher movies I certainly would've dug the straightahead version it sets up too. BLUELOU: I can't agree with that. Are you an American and if so do you prefer Asian movies to be renamed "The Warrior", have some 50 Cent on the soundtrack and be half an hour shorter, dubbed into English and six years old by the time you see them? We as movie fans want the original version. All the other companies have learned that, when are the fucking Weinsteins gonna catch up? But the worse problem is actually the shelving of movies. If they're too busy to release them they should give them to somebody else who has the time. WINDOWLICKER: I say "actual movie" because to me it was characters and stories that I cared about leading up to an amazing action sequence. PLANET TERROR was fun (for a while) but it was about as solid as a balloon made of rice paper. The characters were all homages and parodies, not actual characters. My feeling is Rodriguez made an homage to a genre, Tarantino tried to make a new entry in the genre. ZARLES: Glad you liked it, but I would have to say this one was rushed. TRANSFORMERS was a way better piece of reviewing on my part. Maybe go back and read that one a couple more times you will see what I'm talkin about. DIGITALCOS: You're right, sorry I fucked that up.
I'm the world's biggest Tarantino fan, but... by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 01:30:54 PM
Death Proof is BORING as shit. Fuck. I never got the hate for KILL BILL although I will admit that it's not nearly the film PULP FICTION or TRUE ROMANCE or RESERVOIR DOGS was. I even kind of like JACKIE BROWN in a "I'll probably never actually sit through it again" sort of way, but DEATH PROOF is awful. Is Q losing his touch or has he just gotten too lazy? Every other year he's talking about some movie he may or may not ever make. I dunno about the man. Having met him in person and seeing what an asshole he really is, and knowing how he ripped off so many of his old friends for ideas (Craig Hamann, Avary, etc.), I think his current creative bankruptcy may just be karma finally kicking him in his fat ass.
oh yeah, and Anchorite by Vern	Sep 18th, 2007 01:31:37 PM
good job on the release plan, that's the funniest post I've seen from you.
I thought it was great. by TattooedBillionaire	Sep 18th, 2007 01:31:56 PM
It certainly wasn't QT's best, but it was the highlight of Grindhouse for me. For those who found it boring, I can only imagine what you would think of a masterpiece like Yosihiru Ozu's Tokyo Story. I shudder to think, and no, Death Proof doesn't come close to the greatness of Tokyo Story.
And Zoe Bell looks like a dude by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 01:33:16 PM
That is all.
"She's a man, bay-bee" by BanAllFIRSTPosters	Sep 18th, 2007 01:37:13 PM
Zoe Bell hot?
IWONT by AllieJamison	Sep 18th, 2007 01:48:08 PM
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"I liked the shorter version" by Vi	Sep 18th, 2007 01:48:47 PM
"History repeats itself here, I liked the shorter version better. It was more efficient. The long one doesn't ruin it though. I still like it." My thoughts exactly with the LOTR EEs!
I really wanted to like Death Proof... by football	Sep 18th, 2007 01:57:41 PM
... but instead I thought it was a huge letdown. The dialogue between the girls is so mind-numbing you might find yourself in a coma before you get to the overlong car chase and lame ending. Also, why do all QT's characters sound like a cipher for the man himself? Can he write anything without it sounding like it's a geek in a comic store talking about his prestine copy of Green Lantern #1? I was really hoping this movie would be a cross between Death Race 2000 and Mad Max 2 with gritty dialogue, but instead it ends up being a really stupid, pointless exercise in lowering people's expectations of when the next QT movie comes out. All I can say is Inglorious Bastards will have to be an A+ otherwise most of us will be putting you in the Micheal Bay category, and that ain't a good place to be. I give this movie D- for effort.
Sorry, but I thought it was terrible... by wookie1972	Sep 18th, 2007 01:58:28 PM
QT likes to think of his women as "Strong," but in reality they were just plain annoying. The dialogue about Vanishing Point was pointless, and frankly didn't make sense in context (none of the actresses were even born when that movie came out, and yes, I realize they could have seen it on video, but I doubt they would have). The women just sound like puppets for QT's "clever" dialogue. Also, the "revenge" aspect made no sense, considering that there was no connection between the two groups of women. I'm one of the few who actually think Jackie Brown was a step forward (he seemed to be growing up), but when it bombed, it seems like QT got scared and regressed.
also... by wookie1972	Sep 18th, 2007 01:59:53 PM
Edgar Wright's DON'T was the best part. It sucks that the trailers won't be released.
IMO the best movie of 07!!! by Orionsangels	Sep 18th, 2007 02:17:10 PM
It felt like a real film, unlike most of the synthetic films of today. No CGI. Just good ol' fashion action! As for being too slow. I must be in the minority here, but I love slow pacing and dialogue in movies. 2001 A Space Odyssey is one of my all time favorite films. Slow paced films like these are best watched alone. There more intimate experiences. Where you just focus on every little detail and really dive into the world the movie is presenting you. I really enjoyed this. All in all It's a very refreshing film in an other wise boring Hollywood. I also think that people in general who dislike like something different, have become boring and mundane themselves. That's right. They've come to expect a certain thing and when its not what they expected. They say it's garbage. They don't wanna soak in anything they're watching. In other words they don't wanna think too much. They just wanna get to the point right away. They wanna be thrilled 24/7. I blame MTV. Who created the short attention span generation. Even if you don't enjoy DP. You gotta give QT credit for making the film he wanted to make. This is QT having fun, not trying to make the second coming. Everyone wants the next Pulp Fiction, why? Pulp Fiction is Pulp Fiction, leave it at that. QT is trying different things. You never know what he's gonna do next. He breaks the mold of most conventional directors. That in my book makes him one of most exciting film makers working in films today.
Skip to the last couple of chapters by AlwaysThere	Sep 18th, 2007 02:17:52 PM
You'll save yourself a lot of time.
Deathproof & Geeks by bloodstainedking	Sep 18th, 2007 02:25:04 PM
As great as the internet is, in a strange way it destroyed what it was to be a film geek. Geeks used to get excited to see something crazy, gory, or just plain cool looking that mainstream film producers either refused to show or just plain believed were below them. We knew these movies were far from perfect, but we loved them for their inventive ideas or no holds barred, balls to the walls visuals and action. But with the advent of the internet and movie sites and talkbacks, all of the sudden being a film geek wasn't about the sheer love of those "Ain't It Cool" (I'll be mailing off a royality check as soon as I'm done typing this) type of flicks. Instead it turned into a competition to prove how much cooler you were than all the other geeks. "Look at me, I'm so cool that nothing is cool to me! All these crappy directors wish they had half the insight I do as to how to make a cool movie! I will spend countless hours shitting on everything to prove to the world & myself that I am indeed cool!" Well here's what I have to say to all of these type of moderns geeks: FUCK YOU!!! Yeah it's that simple, nothing clever or interesting, just a simple FUCK YOU!!! Instead of going out and supporting films like Grindhouse or Shoot Em Up, you let them die a quick death at the theaters & then complain about how movie studios only produce films for the mainstream. So don't forget to take that FUCK YOU with you before you leave, there's plenty to go around.
Tarantino directs fucking CSI but passes on HEROES? by SpyGuy	Sep 18th, 2007 02:25:36 PM
Fine with me. Get Rodriguez for an episode instead, because his style fits the series better and at least something will actually happen.
bloodstained king by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 02:41:12 PM
Your argument doesn't make sense. True there is a lot of bashing simply for bashing's sake that goes on here, but if you read the posts, most of these people went and saw the movie. We supported the movie. Most of us are QT fans wondering what in the hell happened to the man who made Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. Being a geek doesn't mean you have to love every single movie these guys make just because it's there. Death Proof was one of the laziest pieces of filmmaking I've ever seen. Tarantino is still my favorite director, but I'd like to see him try a little bit harder next time.
kill bill by Halfbreedqueen	Sep 18th, 2007 02:42:43 PM
isnt the full version coming out in November?
Orionsangels by Trooperof3	Sep 18th, 2007 02:43:50 PM
what you wrote really makes me anxious to watch the movie when i get out of work
zoe bell is the star by LORDRANDO	Sep 18th, 2007 02:46:30 PM
I just saw it for the first time and besides her and Kurt Russell it was absolute drivel. Q needs to realize not every actor can pull of the rhythms of his " witty" dialogue. Most of the acting made me cringe.
Quentin's "strong" women by LORDRANDO	Sep 18th, 2007 02:48:24 PM
I find this a little tired after kill bill. I mean, what is Q into? Women's feet, and girls who can fight. Thats not masogonistic? Geez, how bout a strong female character that doesnt pander to male sensibilities. Fucking boring if u ask me.
DerLanghaarige: by Kabukiman	Sep 18th, 2007 02:55:08 PM
Fair enough on the point that the Coens' dialogue is cleverer and more original than when Tarantino steals dialogue from other movies, but do you really think that the beginning of Dogs is the only original dialogue Tarantino has done? I mean come on, there are some great conversations in Pulp Fiction that were clever and original. They may seem tired and cliche now, since people have been aping his style for 15 years, but look at the foot massage convo, the royale with cheese convo, the whole interation with Vincent and Mia. Hell, I think there's a lot of terrific dialogue in DP (particularly the second half). People hate the diner scene, but I think it's excellent. It sets up pretty much everything that happens from there on out. It shows character, foreshadowing, the relationships of all the characters. Sure, some people whine about how talky all the "bitches" and "cunts" are, but it's four girls talking. Should they sound like Keitel, Madsen, Tierney and Buscemi do? (Not directed at you, just part of my rant.) Furthermore, I love the people bitching about how much they wanted the girls (particularly in the first half) to die. Everyone knows that this is Tarantino's version of a slasher right? Is anyone here familiar with slasher movies? One of the things people love about slashers is that the killer is cool and the victims are annoying people who you WANT to see killed. Wow, Tarantino really dropped the ball, didn't he? Meh, I don't feel like typing anymore. Suffice to say that I really liked Death Proof, thought it was much more interesting and inventive than PT (which was decent entertainment, but completely throwaway) and that boring is the LAST word I'd use to describe it.
hah by Kabukiman	Sep 18th, 2007 02:59:20 PM
"(none of the actresses were even born when that movie came out, and yes, I realize they could have seen it on video, but I doubt they would have)" I suppose it's very easy to hate dialogue when you don't even bother to listen to it...
IVe figured it out... by LORDRANDO	Sep 18th, 2007 03:00:11 PM
Tarantino has become P Diddy, recklessly sampling all his faves into average films that non cinephiles think are new....Worst ending ever....Build up a great villan only to emaculate him by some foul mouthed sluts.
Harry and Zoe picture by Garbageman33	Sep 18th, 2007 03:01:09 PM
Maybe instead of giving him more DVDs he doesn't need, the studios should chip in and buy Harry some eyebrows.
Yes, all the hot chicks I know talk like... by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 03:02:10 PM
40 year old movie nerds. That is sooo realistic. Props, QT. You have truly captured what it is to be a young hot 20-something woman. Bravo.
What also annoyed me by turketron	Sep 18th, 2007 03:04:18 PM
Count me in with the other assholes who was waiting for the second set of chicks to die. Hell, they were MORE annoying than the first set! We are shown the grizzly and awesome scene of Mike getting a KILLTACULAR, and are in anticipation of the next kill to be even more gruesome and brutal than the first... but it never comes. Gay.
Proof that the dialogue sucked by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 03:09:51 PM
How many lines of dialogue can you recite from Death Proof? We can all name a shitload of great quotes from the old Tarantino movies, but how many lines from Death Proof can you quote verbatim? Seriously.
"I even kind of like JACKIE by lucky slevin	Sep 18th, 2007 03:18:19 PM
"I even kind of like JACKIE BROWN in a "I'll probably never actually sit through it again" sort of way, " by Cruel_Kingdom.. kindom how can you claim to be tarantinos biggest fan and not even recognize the cinematic genius that is Jackie Brown. There's not a scene in that entire movie that i would change. you have to realize its about subtilties. every actor/ress is just right for their part. i couldnt pick a favorite character if i tried. when i first watched it years ago, my buddy said he he thought Louis (deniro) was actually mr. pink years later, an assumption i quickly dismissed because i know that Brown takes place in a different universe than the vega brothers moslty untold saga's world of reservior and pulp ( i think tarantino should consider writing a vega brothers novel by the way) . anyway s "Accept no substitutes"
Stuntman Mike - new intro by fatdrunkandstupid	Sep 18th, 2007 03:20:35 PM
This new scene alone is the reason why I won't buy Deathproof. Stuntman Mike's original intro, where you don't know where this guy is coming from, was forkin' brilliant. Seeing him cackle over photos will change the whole dynamic and shock reveal of his "true" intentions. Gonna wait fer GRINDHOUSE. And now I'm pissed that I have to.
no double dvd as the big Q wanted... by theonecalledshoe	Sep 18th, 2007 03:25:13 PM
shakes head though, it would have been cool if Tarintino had been on trek as a Q (or even gets called Mr. T for that matter. Those two should work together or heck he could pop up in a video game )
lucky_slevin by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 03:27:02 PM
I think Jackie Brown is a cool movie, but I don't think it holds up like the previous films. And maybe it's just that I've seen it a million times...
Deathproof: Not hate-proof by morganmorgan	Sep 18th, 2007 03:57:03 PM
Well-- I saw it. I got it. And I liked it... a lot. And I'll be bringing home the DVD ASAP. (And the new Criterion Two Lane Blacktop in December!)
Did I miss something? by Shepard Wong	Sep 18th, 2007 03:58:27 PM
I thought Zoe Bell's dialogue delivery was laugh out loud bad. It completely pulled me out of the movie and ruined Death Proof for me. I may rent it just to see if I was in some F'd up Kiwi/Aussie (whatever the hell she is) hating fit. I was really into the first half of Death Proof but she just killed it for me.
I fucked with the wrong Mexican :( by wintocha67	Sep 18th, 2007 04:10:10 PM
I loved Death Proof since first hearing about it and the car is still the background on my cell phone and I want this DVD.
better by johnnysunshine	Sep 18th, 2007 04:10:43 PM
the more I thought about grindhouse, the more I felt that Deathproof was the better of the two films, though I thought they were both awesome. I want to own this, but I'm not gonna buy it since I know the full shebang is coming eventually. Actually, this is a pretty annoying release.
Fun by doctor_gonzo	Sep 18th, 2007 04:15:36 PM
You missed the word "fun" in the last sentence of your intro Moriarty.
this movie fuckin sucked by t40stunt	Sep 18th, 2007 04:18:48 PM
enough said
Good review, Vern. Oh and I love Death Proof, too. by a goonie	Sep 18th, 2007 04:33:13 PM
Definitely one of my favourite movies of the year so far. I can understand why some might not like it. If you don't care about the characters and hate scenes of nothing but average chit-chat, then I can imagine the movie would be a complete bore. But I actually really cared about the characters and enjoyed spending time with them immensely, witnessing how much fun they were having and how much they appreciated each other's company. They felt like real girls to me, girls being girls when they're out spending a night together. And I loved that. And I loved that Tarantino so effectively evoked a playful vibe that made me want to stay in this simple little world of girls chit-chatting and drinking and just plain being themselves. But then Stuntman Mike shows up and, suddenly, this playful little world shows a glimpse of a dark side, of something sinister boiling beneath the surface. By the time Mike showed up, I was along for the ride. So I settle in for a fun, scary adventure where Mike terrorizes the girls and mayhem ensues. But the movie takes an unexpected turn, killing off the gang of girls in brutal fashion, and showing us just how bad Stuntman Mike really is. What follows is more great setup that brought me back to the playful place the movie started in, only to suddenly unleash some of the most spectacular car chase footage I have ever seen. And because I cared about these girls, because Tarantino and his talented group of actresses had taken the time to make me care about them, I'm not only along for the ride, I'm on the edge of my seat hoping they can make it out the other end in one piece. So that's why I love Death Proof so much. It's a tight package that packs a punch in an unexpected manner.
What's wrong with liking womens feet??? by Orionsangels	Sep 18th, 2007 04:33:30 PM
Me, me and KG, It's all about sex supreme, We likes to cream jeans. Have you ever been worked on by two guys who are hot for your snatch? That's what I'm offerin' you. You step into our room, And then you smell the perfume, You lay upon our roundish bed, And then you feel a tickling on your head. It's KG with the feather and the French tickler, Look out baby he got the tools. And then you feel sumpin' down by your feet. It's me, it's JB, I'm suckin' upon your toes. We don't mind sucking on toes! Good luck finding a boyfriend who sucks toe, ow! Havin' sex with me and KG, Now you're talkin' double team supreme.
Oscar nomination for Kurt Russell by Orionsangels	Sep 18th, 2007 04:34:45 PM
I called it!
Licking his finger then touching it to Abernathy's foot by Kalel13	Sep 18th, 2007 04:37:40 PM
we saw that cause Abernathy experiences an awakening to her inner badass in the flick, then not so ironically delivers the coupe de gras to Stuntman Mike with the very foot he was fiddling with.
t40stunt by Vern	Sep 18th, 2007 04:39:32 PM
Okay, you convinced me.
Bullpoo!!! by Orionsangels	Sep 18th, 2007 04:45:11 PM
"supposedly didn't fit the "grindhouse" theme it was advertised under." to those who said that, just watch the Vanishing Point trailer, nuff said. http://tinyurl.com/36foom
the point of DP by clever_reference	Sep 18th, 2007 04:46:24 PM
Okay, first, Tattooed Billionaire you are missing the point entirely: Ozu was making different kinds of films than QT. QT promised me a grindhouse experience instead his half of this experience turned out to be ABOUT grindhouse cinema and not at all representative of grindhouse cinema. Planet Terror felt like a real grindhouse picture EXCEPT for the lack of gratuitous nudity and the presence of Bruce Willis who was distracting. Death Proof is like a really long and boring term paper. I GET IT! It does not take a film degree to GET IT. Did I enjoy it? NOT AT ALL ON ANY LEVEL. There are plenty of things I understand intellectually but that does not make them "good" or "enjoyable." And the Weinsteins never stop do they? A lifetime or recutting and rescoring and retitling and dubbing Hong Kong films. And now they are shafting the fans again by releasing these films separately. The whole point of GRINDHOUSE was in its total experience. Hey, guess what? The trailers were truer grindhouse than either feature. So what do I, the consumer, get? Nothing. The Weinsteins and QT have completely and totally lost the plot. Dragon Dynasty is supposedly releasing things properly but I am still skeptical.
jackie brown is his 2nd best film by slappy jones	Sep 18th, 2007 04:48:55 PM
and heroes is complete horsehit. how can anyone stomach that fucking show. its truly truly awful.
PS by clever_reference	Sep 18th, 2007 04:50:03 PM
Grindhouse the film was about as relevant as a 17-year-old wearing an expensive vintage 1970s Ramones concert t-shirt. The corporate appropriation of genuine subversive, non-corporate entertainment made safe for the largest portion of the mainstream. Guess what? Some of us know as many weird references as QT. Hell, some of us saw those films in the theater WAY before he saw them in his little video store in California. QT didn't make Vanishing Point cool. He is riding its coolness.
oriongsangels by wookie1972	Sep 18th, 2007 04:53:22 PM
Who are you talking to? I didn't say that Vanishing Point wasn't "grindhouse," I wrote that it made no sense that the women were talking about it, even a stuntwoman. It was, as someone said, a 40something screenwriter putting words in the mouths of young women, and it didn't seem realistic at all.
QT by clever_reference	Sep 18th, 2007 05:04:48 PM
I found the dialogue of DP to be unbelievable on almost any level other than as something to be used to write a thesis. I mean, real grindhouse films had memorable -- usually bad or offensive or whatever -- but not as obvious as DP. I like Family Guy, but DP has the same sickness: mistaking a reference for a point. Just namedropping or referencing something great does not make you or your work great. Look at all the Miramax films about people: Beatrix Potter, Virgina Woolf, etc. Rather than step up and make something great on that level, people reference what was already great. Family Guy is very guilty of this BUT...BUT it is still funny and concise and only 22 minutes at a time. DP was intolerable for its arrogance. I respect QT for making something that dense and putting it out in mainstream America. But it was not grindhouse and was not fun if you ask me. I resent being promised a grindhouse film and instead getting something else entirely that did not work on any level. At the end of the day, for all the success QT exhibits in making this thesis of a film, it still does not really deliver even on those terms. You just go, "and?"
Watching it now... by TheRealSeveren	Sep 18th, 2007 05:05:47 PM
I went to the premiere and ended up seeing GH 4 times in the theatres with different friends and family. Im realizing again that DP is one of the most watchable movies for me in recent memory. I could start it over and watch it again when this car chase is done. Ive refrained from watching the extended cut print until today and I am definitely enjoying the extra scenes that add a few more connections the way that good movies do. "Zoe the fuckin cat!" By the way, I respect all of you.
the "strong" women in Death Proof by CherryValance	Sep 18th, 2007 05:07:34 PM
Actually that is one of the things that did bother me about this movie. I thought the females in this film were pretty wretched and deserved to be annihilated by Mike. Firstly the group who couldn't act treated him like shit. And then the next batch treated each other like shit. When they left that one cheerleader broad to be forcibly sodomized or worse so that they could drive a freakin' car, they lost me. I was hoping that Stuntman Mike would bring Hell down upon them, but no, somehow they got "revenge" that they didn't really deserve.
Jackie Brown is a GREAT film AND it's a true grower. by future help	Sep 18th, 2007 05:08:53 PM
Like Big Lebowski, Fargo and Life Aquatic are masterful growers.
Vern! Vern-o! by Zarles	Sep 18th, 2007 05:10:44 PM
Your Transformers review was a nitpicky, whiny, incredibly overlong softball lobbed underhand directly into the cheap seats where all the TINO crowd were sitting with oversized fielders' mitts strapped to their heads. Not one of your best, amigo. I'm not sure I understand all the Death Proof hate from this crowd, actually. Seems like it would be the closest most of you will ever get to talking to a girl, so why all the bitchin'?
This is a great fucking film! by El Scorcho	Sep 18th, 2007 05:15:23 PM
Fuck the haters. I'm sorry that you have no attention span. It's intense build-up with an amazing climax. A slow burn.
a good way to "fix/redeem" the scene of the girls by future help	Sep 18th, 2007 05:17:30 PM
leaving their "friend" behind with the rapist...IS...when the movie ends, SPOILERS(the big laugh when Kurt is being stomped on.)Add another 12 secs to the end, girl says to anther "Now let's shoot em'" other girl replies "I left the gun with Jenny, so she could shoot that rapist." (edit/cut to) see the rapist get shot in the face. THE END credits roll. -SAY THAT WAS EASY, NOW IM QT.
mode_7 by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu	Sep 18th, 2007 05:35:12 PM
At least it's not as bad as the whole QFT/This phenomenon. Yes, quoting someone else's post and then stating your agreement without further argument really adds to the discussion. What is the point? It's been going on for years and it needs to stop!!!
Harry's HD-DVD Player = DEATHPROOF by Internet Thug	Sep 18th, 2007 06:27:24 PM
No matter what shit the fat fuck puts in there it just keeps on tickin'
I liked it! 'Braapp!' by Mockingbuddha	Sep 18th, 2007 06:55:41 PM
Whenever I read these arguments about Death Proof I have to add my vote to the loved it side. Everyone's common complaint is my favorite part. I loved watching the women sit around talking. I actually liked that the dialogue was less clever than QT's other movies. I also love movies where you can just settle in and watch people live their lives before they get all messed up. Someone mentioned that it was obvious that QT adored all of these actresses, I agree, and I adored them as well. The actresses were so cool that sometimes I forget that Kurt Russell was even in the movie. But then I remember and it strikes me that this is one awesome movie. I was afraid that QT would turn out a movie that was too grindhouse, but to me he just made another great movie. It didn't kick me in the face the way Pulp Fiction did the first time I saw it, but nearly.
Death Proof was infinitely better than Planet Terror by Dannychico	Sep 18th, 2007 07:07:13 PM
And if you think otherwise, you might be a hopeless fanboy with pedestrian tastes.
"Death Proof" est cinéma étonnant by lensproject	Sep 18th, 2007 07:35:16 PM
Put me down with the French in the "loved DP" column. Saw it twice in the theaters (and yes, opening night was a packed house in NYC, that applauded afterwards) and I'm happy to buy this and any other DVD they make, just to support this type of risky filmmaking. (Although I'm disappointed in the addition of the new Mike reveal.) Short-attention-span American mongoloids will not convince me of anything, so don't bother.
The attention this film has by PatsFanDK	Sep 18th, 2007 07:57:37 PM
The attention this film has gotten on this site is embarrassing. Noone will face the facts that it sucked, plain and simple. And I'm a fan of his other films. It's like everyone is refusing to face the reality of a shitty QT film. Newsflash - it's a shitty QT film. Feel free to waste money on the DVD, suckas.
Well, probably not as good as the films by Kalel13	Sep 18th, 2007 08:08:07 PM
Bill Belichick has been illegally making all these years, but I really enjoyed Death Proof, and liked seeing it again on DVD. Also, I think Jackie Brown is one of hist best.
mode_7 by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:13:03 PM
Meh.
Death Proof es muy excemento by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:13:54 PM
Si.
er, exremento by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:14:09 PM
si.
It pains me to say this... by Angry Bald Guy	Sep 18th, 2007 08:14:09 PM
But I plan on buying this DVD. I didn't care for "Death Proof" but for the sake of trying to keep the double feature alive I will get both movies. And PatsFanDK you're half right: It sucked. But there are a few of us that are facing the fact. Lastly: WHERE THE HELL IS THE MACHETE DVD!!!!!
Miramax should break up FOUR ROOMS into separate films by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:22:24 PM
All the world is waiting to see a longer version of that shitty Allison Anders segment with the witches. We add more footage to the QT segment--then it would be like Death Proof: a lot of talking and no action building up to a quick ending which almost redeems all that has preceded it. Weinsteins, you're missing an opportunity here!
Jackie Brown suceeds where Death Proof fails by Spandau Belly	Sep 18th, 2007 08:23:05 PM
I kinda consider it a cheap shot from ol' Vern to say that he discounts the disappointment in Death Proof because the talkbackers here could only fault it by calling the characters sexist names like "cunts" and "bitches". I guess he's implying that everybody who disliked it is a sexist bastard who thinks that women in films should just strip and die. Well, I disliked Death Proof and it was in fact because the female characters were annoying, but also because there were long scenes with just them and no foil. It was like five Sammuel L. Jacksons sitting around a table. I actually liked the scenes where they interacted with Kurt Russel and I liked the stuff with Kurt and Rose McGowan (despite her sporting of the worst wig in history). Now take Jackie Brown. She was a fiesty aggressive female character, but I liked her because she didn't just hang out with four friends exactly like she. I mean, hell, she got out of jail, flirted with a bail bondsman, swiped his pistol and pressed against Sammuel L.'s dick all in one night. And she was just a stewardess, not a trained ninja type like Beatrix Kiddo. That was more assertive than the Death Proof ladies and I liked Jackie Brown. So I'm not just some sexist asshole who wants his ladies to take the Amy Smart role in Crank. I'm a guy who just doesn't like a Tarantino film for good reason. Believe me, the last thing I wanted was to be let down by Quentin, and especially for him to lose a film on the dialogue front was like seeing Bruce Lee get suckpunched by John Saxon. But for me the diversity in characters just wasn't there to make interesting scenes like in good ol' Jackie Brown. Anybody who wants to come over to my place and watch Jackie Brown, come on over in the next twenty minutes. You can smoke, but you just can't talk about Lost or Heroes. Agreed?
The movie was a box office disaster... by SnatchVagina	Sep 18th, 2007 08:26:17 PM
Grindhouse made all of 25 million at the domestic box office. That's good for #57 for the year and we're not even to the Holiday season yet. Notable movies that made more than Grindhouse: Nancy Drew, Epic Movie, Hannibal Rising, The Reaping, The Number 23, etc. I like how the author of the review points to the fact that theaters on the "outer edges" of the US were packed, sort of like he's insinuating that the rest of us "uncultured folk" be "too dum to git it!" Ummm, a majority of moviegoers (as well as the rest of the US population) are situated along "the outer edges" of the US, so if it supposedly did gangbusters there then it should NOT have ended up with only 25m. The truth is simply this: the movies were not exactly great, they did not click with audiences, and the thing failed at the box office. Period. Yes people, even the cinema-geek backed projects like GRINDHOUSE fail. Tarantino and Rodriguez are not film Gods. I equate this review to Harry's take on Jackson's KING KONG; how you could tell he knew it was a failure but just didn't want to admit it to himself.
"Outer edges" = the fly-over states by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:27:16 PM

I meant between the outer edges, lol by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:28:26 PM
All this Death Proof talk has fried my brain.
Most Fun I Had At The Movies All Year by skoobyx	Sep 18th, 2007 08:32:28 PM
If I may invoke a film critic cliche. 'Planet Terror' was enjoyable but this was definitely the highlight. Cool concept and that car crash scene was sick in all the right ways. I can see why people might not like it, but compared to something like 'I Now Pronounce You Chuck And Larry' it starts looking like genius.
Grindhouse TOGETHER was brilliant by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:34:30 PM
It's not Citizen Kane or Jules et Jim, but it was a great time at the cinema. Those trailers, the whole thing...I loved the experience. But neither one of the two shorts works particularly well as a film unto itself.
Loved Death Proof! Don't understand the hate. by Midol Boy	Sep 18th, 2007 08:36:17 PM
Oh, well. To each his own.
Tarantino needs to make Kill Shot. by Midol Boy	Sep 18th, 2007 08:42:16 PM
MAKE IT NOW!
No one is mentioning... by DanielKurland	Sep 18th, 2007 08:43:53 PM
The Russ Meyer connection. The ending of the movie is SO much like Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill, in my opinion. I then heard Tarantino even state that Death Proof is his take on a Russ Meyer film. You can mention the Psycho connection, and De Palma riffs, but Russ Meyer is what is going on in this film.
Midol Boy by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:50:23 PM
Kill Shot already got made. Tarantino produced, but didn't direct. It's sitting on the shelf right now. I think the trailer is on youtube, though.
Killshot trailer by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 08:53:42 PM
My mistake, it's not on youtube, but it is on the IMDB page.
I am watching Death Proof right now. by Barry Egan	Sep 18th, 2007 09:08:30 PM
I love it.
Death Proof fuckin' rocked, bottom line. by Sulla	Sep 18th, 2007 09:37:08 PM
It's pathetic that garbage, and I mean utter garbage, like Transformers gets so much praise from people. Then a unique piece of cinema comes along like Death Proof, and people whine about "too much talking". Are you fucking serious? Too much talking?? It's what QT does best in my opinion, and it's brilliant stuff. But, if you're just into mindless explosions and bad directing/writing...keep your training wheels on and continue watching your kiddie flicks, those of us with taste will keep supporting & watching real films.
you had me at snakehearted fuckers... by darwinmayflower	Sep 18th, 2007 10:00:24 PM
nice review.
kill bill by Halfbreedqueen	Sep 18th, 2007 10:04:22 PM
i heard it was november 6th and not december. who knows.
jackie brown by maluquiro	Sep 18th, 2007 10:05:18 PM
is a masterpiece.
maluquiro by Sulla	Sep 18th, 2007 10:44:24 PM
Agreed. Jackie Brown is brilliant.
Re: the ending by AngelCordy	Sep 18th, 2007 10:44:34 PM
The last ten minutes of Death Proof made every woman in my theater start cheering. Boo yah.
Death Proof by Gould as Marlowe	Sep 18th, 2007 10:48:30 PM
I saw Grindhouse opening night in SF and the place was packed. The audience was with it from start to finish. It was a great movie going experience. I walked out thinking "Well, this is clearly a hit. It's so nice to see movies I enjoy get thit kind of reaction." How wrong I was. Everyone I know loved it and I think it did business in the major cities but the small town, middle American audiences probably didn't cotton to it. I loved Death Proof. I thought it was the better of the two. Tarantino's dialogue is getting creaky and self indulgent but I really appreciated the slow build, the lived in atmosphere, the 2 narrative swerves, and the brilliant car chase climax. Besides that, I think Stuntman Mike is a classic Kurt Russell character/performance. Zoe completely won me over and this is the first film where I didn't hate Rosario Dawson. This is my second favorite Tarantino film after Jackie Brown.
"second favorite Tarantino film after Jackie Brown"? by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 10:50:38 PM
Um, are you smoking crack?
"second favorite Tarantino film after Jackie Brown"? by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 10:56:12 PM
Or as Tarantino himself might say, "Nigga, is you trippin'?"
jackie brown by maluquiro	Sep 18th, 2007 11:22:11 PM
to me, jackie brown had an emotional core that is missing from most of his films. it's his only film where the characters seem like real people. a lot of it comes from robert forster and pam grier of course. i seriously love every frame of that movie.
Better on it's own by TheThirdMan	Sep 18th, 2007 11:37:57 PM
I saw Grindhouse in theaters three times, and had a goddamn great time with each viewing, as did the audience. However, there was no doubt that while (in my opinion) Death Proof was the better film, it did slow the overall experience down quite a bit. Having viewed it on DVD, I think it is a lot easier to enjoy on it's own merits, without having Planet Terror to compare it to.
"I'm the world's biggest Tarantino Fan" by Jed	Sep 18th, 2007 11:46:08 PM
"I even sort of liked Jackie Brown" you don't get to be a tarantino fan if you don't have a lasting appreciation for Jackie Brown. Sorry. Discarding Jackie Brown means you've ignored everything he was trying to say in his first two movies. I hope QT will make a film better than Jackie Brown one day, but I doubt it.
Jed by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 11:51:51 PM
QT's already made three films that are better than Jackie Brown, so your wish has come true! Good job!
Jackie Brown is fucking brilliant. by Gilkuliehe	Sep 18th, 2007 11:53:33 PM
What the hell is wrong with you people? And to those fuckers who say Tarantino is a hack. Again: What the hell is wrong with you? Ok, the guy talks out of his ass, annoys the fuck out of you and all you want, but come on. Craftsmanship. That's the key word. The guy can direct. The first car crash in Death Proof? The way he synchronizes with the music, the build up, and then the way the stunt and the killings are filmed. Even you whiners can see how freaking talented the guy is. Can't you? Fuck you very much.
Is this a Jackie Brown talkback? by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 18th, 2007 11:55:23 PM

TIFF!!!! Kurt Russell is the man. by J-Dizzle	Sep 18th, 2007 11:57:38 PM
Easily one of his best roles.
Actually the "world's biggest QT fan" is by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 19th, 2007 12:03:55 AM
Tarantino himself.
Sucked. Period by TheRevenge	Sep 19th, 2007 12:19:36 AM
I wanted so much to love this film. Enjoyed Planet Terror for being the light-hearted, "GRINDHOUSE" fluff that it was SUPPOSED TO BE! Deathproof simply wasn't. It was lame and QT lost his image halfway through. Why did the scratchy film stop scratching, fanboys? No excuse for that, eh? Yeah..didn't think so. Puh-lease. The only reason people like this movie is simply because some people like thinking they are better than everyone else for not "getting it". Well, you guys are just as pathetic as the guys I knew who went to film school and make shitty films with people yammering on for no reason, about nothing. You only like movies that other people hate simply because you hate the other people. Ugh. Enjoy your shitty, pointless movie. QT owes me an apology. Fucking sad.
Cruel_Kingdom by maluquiro	Sep 19th, 2007 12:22:58 AM
yes it is, until the greatness of jackie brown is acknowledged.
therevenge by maluquiro	Sep 19th, 2007 12:25:04 AM
what's the big deal if it stops? i don't get it. after a while it got to distracting, so he eased out of it and got on with the movie.
Hey by Orionsangels	Sep 19th, 2007 12:26:30 AM
I'm glad Trooperof3! No wookie1972 I referring to something Vern said in his review.
Anyone know when we get the fake trailers? by Zeke25:17	Sep 19th, 2007 12:35:29 AM
Will they be on Planet Terror's disc; or do we have to wait for the double dip version? I DID notice that the Death Proof dvd came with a coupon for five bucks off PT, which I thought was kinda cool...Hell, I know these things are gonna be released almost as much as either Army of Darkness or any of the LOTRs, and honestly, it doesn't bother me--I enjoyed both films for what they were, and concede that most consumers out there wouldn't be too keen on watching both films back to back...I WOULD like those trailers, though. Even better: Wright has to make "Don't", and Roth has to do "Thanksgiving". (We already know that Machete is coming, I believe this Xmas, straight to dvd...)
the deleted black and white scene by bernard	Sep 19th, 2007 12:50:11 AM
was unnecessary. the hour and twenty minute cut in theaters was fun. the two hour dvd cut is exhausting. cool earl mcgraw extension though.
Re: the black and white scene by Zeke25:17	Sep 19th, 2007 01:00:27 AM
It was at least PARTLY necessary, because it establishes 1) This is how and where Stuntman Mike starting to stalk this particular group of girls, and 2) Mike is a helluva lot creepier here than he showed at the bar. It's no accident that most posters at AICN when discussing Death Proof mention that they were rooting for Russell's character to kill the girls; the simple reason is that, even after killing Rose McGowan in his car, he still seems strangely likeable, especially compared to the annoying and grating females that the viewer is supposed to feel sorry for! Any additional scene that makes him more of a "bad guy" is necessary for the end of DP to seem warranted.
i fell asleep at the premier. by mrvannostrand	Sep 19th, 2007 01:05:32 AM
i went to see grindhouse at manns chinese theatre in los angeles on the saturday night of the opening weekend. planet terror rocked! the crowd was so vocal and into the whole movie. when death proof came on my wife and i fell asleep during the monotonous ramblings of those moronic girls. tarantino has fallen in love with his material to the point where he can no longer be subjective about it. everyone around him must kiss his ass because i saw him on conan proclaiming he's a 'great writer'. at first i thought that's cool that someone has the balls to say that and based on his first three directorial efforts i would agree. however, he has suffered a terrible setback with deathproof. it is a self indulgent piece of jack off material by someone who can't step back and be objective of their own work.
Stuck on Halo 3 by LittleDudes	Sep 19th, 2007 01:42:03 AM
Peeps are rockin' it, and I'm not one of them! http://tinyurl.com/ytkeeg Fucking cunts.
Re: Re: the black and white scene by bernard	Sep 19th, 2007 02:02:53 AM
in response to #1, i think the audience clearly understands that Mike is stalking the new group of girls when it originally cut to him taking the photos in the theatrical version, plus to me the choice to cut the gas station scene out was stronger because you don't leave mike for so long. i wanted more stuntman mike but that's just me. and #2, i did like that he licked Rosario's foot, but why did she have to smoke almost a whole fucking cigarette in that shot just to see him speed away? it just slowed it down too much for me. i think that you are right about more creepy scenes with Mike being necessary, i just don't consider a throwaway scene about an Italian Vogue magazine being creepy Mike stuff.
Fuck the double feature! by Motoko Kusanagi	Sep 19th, 2007 02:43:55 AM
I don't see how these 2 entertaining movies are not good any more just because they're released seperately. I also don't give a damn if those crappy fake trailers are included or not. Morons.
Tarantino Dropped the Ball.. by s8ntmark	Sep 19th, 2007 02:48:23 AM
So Quentin says to Rodriguez: "Ok, so , like, Robert, like, lets make, like, a TOTALLY amazing Grind House, like, Double feature, k?" And Rodriguez is like "coo' Quentin..Ok" and he goes out and makes the damn Grindhouse film. Blood, breasts, Zombies...just a fun night at the movies....Nothing too deep. Then Tarantino suddenly decides he doesnt want to make a grindhouse film after all and goes out and makes the same kind of films he ALWAYS makes, and fucks up the formula he SUGGESTED! Im sure Quentin thinks he turned the genre on its head, but instead he screwed the whole thing up and made a very uneven double feature...I'll agree, Death Proof is a better FILM...but its like bringing a gun to a knife fight, a FILM has no place in a Grindhouse exploitation double feature. Stuntman Mike kills people with his CAR, people should have been splattered and run over and stalked throughout this thing, and instead we get a Grindhouse/French New Wave rip-off...whatever...
Death Proof - Why people hate it by Ted_Naifeh	Sep 19th, 2007 02:52:11 AM
From a film student point of view, there's one very good reason why folks didn't like Death Proof, didn't consider it a real movie, thought the female characters were lame bitches, didn't appreciate the coolness of Zoe Bell. And it's all Tarantino's fault. Basically, the film simply doesn't have the all important act two climax. It just blends from act two (Introduce Zoe and the girls) to act three (Zoe and the girls go after SM Mike) without any emotional upheaval. The decision to go after Mike should have been a supremely powerful, all or nothing, "We're not who we think we are if we don't go after this guy!" moment it needed to be. Zoe's fake death should have been more devastating, more believable. It should have freaked the audience out. Instead, we knew she would be fine. THe movie had been all mood and terror, and then suddenly it became kinda silly. I really wanted to be involved in the girls' rage, but the movie locked me out of it. That's why the climax was a let down, that's why so few people walked away satisfied. The only folks who seem to like the movie are the ones who chose to fill in that emotional gap with their imaginations, or were just impressed with the car chases. Personally, it makes me sad, because but for a key scene, it could have been such an amazing film. Oh yeah, and about 20 minutes of useless dialog.
Spandau/SnatchVagina double feature by Vern	Sep 19th, 2007 04:22:22 AM
SPANDAU: You read me wrong bud. "I didn't take alot of you seriously because you were calling the characters bitches and cunts, [here is the important part---->] but there were plenty of reasonable people who didn't like it." My point was the exact opposite of what you're saying. My point was to ignore the obvious yahoo dipshits and address the people with legitimate points like yours. And I'm with you, JACKIE BROWN is a great movie. I love DEATH PROOF too but it is my least favorite of Tarantino's directorial works so far. The dialogue in DEATH PROOF may not stand up to JACKIE BROWN, but I disagree about the characters not having anyone to play off of, especially in the second half. They have Lee (the cheerleader) who is not on the same wavelength, she doesn't get their jokes or references, she falls for their tricks. To me one of the biggest laughs is when Kim mentions PRETTY IN PINK in a negative way and Lee without any irony coos "oh, I love Pretty in Pink!" How are they not playing off each other? SNATCHVAGINA: Listen up fucker. Er, I mean, hello friend. Let me explain it to you. I don't feel it's that hard of a sentence to understand but here you go. I was making a joke about the fact that, as freako box office obsessed weiners like you have noted, and as I wrote in the review, GRINDHOUSE failed to make money for the assholes who released it. I was playing off that. I can't say that the DVD should be the same as the movie that played to packed houses across the country, so instead I hedged it to "the outer edges of the country." (I also can't say "around the word", because it wasn't released as a double feature in the rest of the world.) At the time the Weinsteins claimed that it was doing well on the coasts and they just needed to figure out how to make it do well in the rest of the country. I am not an accountant or a perverted money fetishist so I don't know if their figures are accurate. I do believe them because here in Seattle it was indeed shown to packed houses, and just about everyone I know saw it multiple times (including in drive-ins, which I wish I did). Others in this talkback have noted similar occurrences in their cities. So it seems believable. So no, I was not making any sort of inference about the other parts of the country, I was just noting the documented fact that it did poorly in most of the country. You are proud to point that shit out so don't attack me for doing it too. And stop being paranoid. That's what happens when you spend all your time counting money. You said "The truth is simply this: the movies were not exactly great, they did not click with audiences, and the thing failed at the box office. Period." Well no, that's not it "period." As I said in the review: yes, it lost money, yes, it was unpopular with talkbackers, and no, I do not give two shits about those things. If a movie "didn't click with audiences" and you still love it then fuck the unclickable audiences, YOU like the movie, that's what's important. I liked the movie, I explained why, I bought the DVD, I still enjoyed it, I wrote about. If you are a movie fan you understand how it works. yours, the author of the review
We need "Thanksgiving" doubled with "Machete" dammit by Mike_D	Sep 19th, 2007 04:29:05 AM
that is all.
what's wrong with being a "perverted money fetishist"? by Lost Jarv	Sep 19th, 2007 04:50:59 AM
If you send me some money I can arrange for any fetish you want. Short of seriously sick things. oh.... You meant losers that sit on a stained mattress rubbing themselves with 1 dollar bills whilst reciciting last weekends box office figures. Oh well, never mind
Snatchvagina by Nivek666	Sep 19th, 2007 06:03:02 AM
"I equate this review to Harry's take on Jackson's KING KONG; how you could tell he knew it was a failure but just didn't want to admit it to himself." Um, you mean "failure" in that YOU didn't like it? Because otherwise, Jacksons Kong was actually successful at the box office and review wise. Opinion is never fact.
I'd rather eat my own shit by Drunken Rage	Sep 19th, 2007 06:51:16 AM
than see another QT movie. He is without a doubt the most over-rated American director in history.
I refuse to purchase this until... by Halloween68	Sep 19th, 2007 07:01:27 AM
They release GRINDHOUSE together the way it appeared in theatres. That was the way I experienced it before, that's the way I want to revisit it. Trailers and all. I urge everyone here to do the same. Unless you support the (I hate to say this because I'm a huge Sam Raimi fan) EVIL DEADILITIS, which untold amounts of rereleases to try to milk money out of the fans. I want to see the extended footage, and in time I'll Netflick it. However, in the meantime, I'm staying away from both this and the future PLANET TERROR release. And it really irks me to say this because I greatly enjoyed both films. It's just not the same though pulling them apart like this. Caving in to the studios and the ADD fly-by-night movie going public who will never purchase this anyway.
Dear Mr. Author of The Review; by Spandau Belly	Sep 19th, 2007 07:13:11 AM
Yeah, I guess I did read you wrong. I guess I was just saying that a lot of these talkbacker guys aren't so articulate and I was trying to interpret what they were saying. I think we agree that sexist name calling is not really as good critiquing as saying what I said about how I did not find the characters varied enough to build interesting dialogue driven scenes. I do not remember the Pretty In Pink moment. But my overall impression remains that I was bored by car fulls and coffeeshop fulls of sassy ladies talkin' sassy and it just began to feel like one those Jerry Springer episodes were people just wave there arms at each other while a stream of BLEEPs flows until somebody picks up a chair. BTW, I do want to commend you on your assment of this cut of the film and the overall non-Blu Ray, non-HD, old fashioned DVD and features. I think you did a thorough job and that prospective consumers would greatly benefit from your analysis.
Damn Foot Fetish by Batou	Sep 19th, 2007 07:23:38 AM
Fuck Tarrantino and his fucking foot fetish. I'm still traumatised to this day from seeing Uma Thurman's hideous deformed feet at 50 feet wide on the big screen when I went and saw Kill Bill v1. I've never seen v2 and never will. I'm now feeling less inclined now to see Death Proof. For fucks sake, Thurmans second toe was bigger than her fucking big toe. It was like the opening sequence of Wrong Turn with all those deformed foetuses.
I have a foot fetish... by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 19th, 2007 08:08:37 AM
And Uma's feet made me feel ill, too, lol.
MovieGeekDouchebag: Definition by sideshowrob	Sep 19th, 2007 08:53:16 AM
....You're already counting down the days waiting for the Scratched Up- Distressed print of GRINDHOUSE, to be released on Blue-Ray!! Yeeahhh. Zing!
Same basic problem as the short version by Gangar	Sep 19th, 2007 09:13:14 AM
I loved the convenience store scene but it went on too long. The presence of the magazine later on did not need to be explained. The crucial thing that undermined both versions though was the car scene where the girls talk about their sex lives. It is completely superfluous and undermines the effectiveness of the diner scene, which is crucial. By the time Zoe mentions the Dodge Challenger, a tedium has set in because nothing has happened for too long. If they had gone from Abby sitting on the car to Mike taking picutres of the girls to the diner, it would have been much more effective. Quentin, for all his talent, has always been a flabby filmmaker and seems reluctant to part with his little bits of business even when they hurt the flow of the story. Having said that though, I did enjoy the movie and would love to see him, Robert and others make more movies under the Grindhouse moniker. 'Machete' is a MUST! Oh and long live Vanessa Ferlito's tummy!
Robert Forster is fantastic... by DanielKurland	Sep 19th, 2007 09:21:31 AM
One of my favorite scenes in any Tarantino movie is simply the scene where Robert Forster's character in Jackie Brown walks into the music store, with the rap music blaring, and purchases a tape of the Delfonics. He is great in this, and that last scene where the two of them are together, you WANT something huge to happen, but he's just a middle-aged man, and in spite of how inside his head, he is probably screaming and wishing to do something, but he doesn't. He helped in this huge heist, but when it comes down to just trying to properly emote himself to a woman he's crazy about, he can't. And that's real. And that's fucking fantastic.
Wait... so does this mean Eli Roth will remake "Thing"? by Stalin vs Predator	Sep 19th, 2007 09:44:02 AM
Because whenever a "hot new director" (yes, I know he isn't exactly that) talks of a movie being his favorite, that usually means he was approached to remake it. Or is campaigning to do that himself.
Oh, Vern, I've got a question... by DanielKurland	Sep 19th, 2007 09:44:50 AM
On the soundtrack for Death Proof, the song "Down in Mexico" is on it ,but it's not in the movie. Is it safe to assume it's in one of these deleted scenes? As it's a great song.
I mean, these days. by Stalin vs Predator	Sep 19th, 2007 09:45:54 AM
In the past, when new directors they said they liked a film, they actually meant it. These days it just means they're involved in a project related to it.
Down in Mexico by Gangar	Sep 19th, 2007 09:58:26 AM
is Vanessa's lapdance song. Very hot.
Response to NIVEK666 and VERN by SnatchVagina	Sep 19th, 2007 10:06:42 AM
NIVEK666: KING KONG was a disappointment at the box office. Not a failure, but a disappointment. It barely scrapped its way past 200m domestically and didn't make back its budget. Comparatively, Jackson's last film, RETURN OF THE KING, made 378m domestically and more than tripled its budget. I'm sorry, but THAT IS A DISAPPOINTMENT! And yes, if you have any ability to infer you could tell clear as day that Harry was disappointed by the thing. For months he posted nothing but love letters to that movie and when it opened we got a short, disjointed review and none of the reminiscing and nostalgia that Harry brings when he's fallen in love with something. VERN: Thanks for explaining yourself. However, there is merit in "number crunching"...it's not all about just how much a movie makes. More often than not a movie's box office will reflect its quality; sure, every now and then a general well received movie will bomb and a terrible one will make bucketloads, but those are the exceptions rather than the rule. Even if a movie opens modestly it can do well with low weekly drop-offs due to word-of-mouth. GRINDHOUSE, however, opened to 12m and finished with 25m; that kind of depreciation is unheard of in box office "crunching," which only means that word-of-mouth was absolutely atrocious. A movie does not make half its take in three days if it is worth a damn. And I understand you like the thing and that's great; at least you acknowledged that it wasn't exactly well received with moviegoers, yet you still are leaning heavily on the Weinsteins for all the project's shortcomings. Maybe it was just a case of them knowing what the rest of us did as well: it wasn't a great movie(s). And I'm not exactly from the sticks as my post implied. I'm from Austin, saw the movie at the Tinseltown North in Pflugerville and the audience was maybe a third full on opening Saturday. Not great for a Rodriguez-backed town. So, there is no Weinstein-conspiracy that held this movie back, nor was it uncultured middle-America; it was just a cool gimmick with bad execution is all.
the thing by bernard	Sep 19th, 2007 11:11:51 AM
isn't that battlestar guy remaking the thing?
still not that good...sorry. by winman43	Sep 19th, 2007 12:37:40 PM
Well, i didnt have a problem with all that dialgue being bad, there was just too damn much of it for the average film viewer in my opinion. I really got the impression that Tarantino really fell in love with his script, and didnt wanna trim ANYTHING. I manage a theatre, and the MAJOR complaint from film goers was that Death Proof was BORING. They loved the action bits, but it took too long to get there, and once it got there, it went right back to 20 mins of talking!! We had two major problems at out locations... 1. Most folks didnt seem to realize that it was a double feature, and tried to leave after PLANET TERROR. We had to post an usher inside the auditorium to ensure people knew another film was coming, and it was included in the admission price. After this, most folks didnt last through the lengthy dialogue, they just left.
Snatch by Vern	Sep 19th, 2007 12:39:36 PM
Thanks for the polite response even after I called you "fucker." I don't buy your logic on this post though. First of all, I didn't say there was any kind of Weinstein conspiracy. I do think it's kind of a mystery why it failed so bad, but I don't think it was them, I just think they sorely deserve to lose money, be forced out of business and have to literally sit on a big shelf for several years before they are allowed to leave but have to use a different name and walk around on their knees instead of their feet. But here's why I don't buy your logic. You said it was a good gimmick poorly executed. But it didn't open big. The gimmick is all you need to bring people into the theater in the first place, so why didn't it happen? That has nothing to do with quality. More significantly, you claim that bad movies making lots of money and vice versa is an exception to the rule. So explain this to me: the top 3 grossers so far this year are SPIDERMAN-3, SHREK 3 and the fucking TRANSFORMERS. WILD HOGS is at #10. RUSH HOUR 3, FANTASTIC FOUR 2 and I NOW PRONOUNCE YOU CHUCK AND LARRY made it into the top 15. Even GHOST RIDER made it into the top 20. What's the best reviewed movie of the year? ZODIAC? That's at #46. Maybe RATATOULIE, which made alot of money, but $120 million less than SHREK 3? I did a little research on this for a piece I might write and I was shocked to learn that HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS was the highest grossing movie of its year! I would say it's actually the other way around, it's exciting when a really good movie does make lots of money, because that is something that doesn't happen very often.
Death Proof and the Grindhouse Experience by Elored2	Sep 19th, 2007 12:55:58 PM
As a resident of the UK I won't (for the moment anyway) have a chance to watch the Grindhouse double bill in the same way American audiences did. I think it's pretty poor on the part of the Weinsteins. As a result I was reluctant to pick-up the Death Proof DVD for two reasons. Firstly that I think everyone who speculates that a full release is coming eventually; and secondly for the first time I wasn't looking forward to a Tarantino movie. I know the film got and still gets enough negative reviews on here from fellow talkbackers and you have to appreciate that and take note. However, on viewing I found it to be a great film. From start to finish my girlfriend and I were hooked. I thought the dialogue was perfect amongst the girls and drew me in. I never once considered this to be slow. Still the best line in the film belongs to Eli Roth standing at the bar when he sings in a whisper "East bound and down" in reference to Stuntman Mike; just so funny. SPOILERS The middle twist in removing the protagonists was daring and a real gutsy move, but I think Tarantino knew exactly what he was doing when he brought Zoe Bell to the fore. The scene where she jumps onto the car door in a jousting fashion just sold me. I'm amazed that this film is getting so much negativity. I hope Planet Terror lives up the same expectations, but, I don't personally rank RR in the same league as Tarantino. I think From dusk till Dawn and Sin City are fantastic films, but Tarantino's movies are just electrifying. I'm slightly puzzled over what I'm told was taken out for the US release from DP, the Earl McGraw scenes and the toe-licking scene really set-up the second half of the picture, I'd have found it quite puzzling without them. My only wish was that it was another thirty minutes longer. You guys had me worried for a second, but I'm glad I gave it a chance. For me Tarantino is akin to Kubrick, he enters a genre and he masters it fully, while simultaneously leaving his own stamp on it. I think people are simply waiting for him to fail, but in my opinion this isn't it.
Tarantino's a true talent / What DP's really about by strosmer	Sep 19th, 2007 02:33:13 PM
A very divided talk back going on here. I think Tarantino is a great talent and continues to produce unique, quality films. He is indeed a keen craftsman and skilled writer whose abilities mature and improve with each film he makes. Death Proof is one of the best films I've seen this year and I was thoroughly entertained by it. I prepared for DP by watching Vanishing Point beforehand (never had seen it), though I didn't know it would be referenced in DP (what a treat). Doing that helped me both understand and appreciate at least part of what Tarantino was trying to achieve in DP. I saw a direct correlation in theme and goal for both films - freedom, and creating that sense of freedom. That's what I felt as I watched them - pure freedom. I'm putting story aside here, mind you. Death Proof evokes a sense of freedom not so much in the events that happen, but in how it was written and filmed. It does take turns you don't expect, it does what it wants to do. That's the homage to grindhouse right there. I recall when Tarantino appeared on the Howard Stern show some years back and proclaimed, "As a writer, you are God." In other words, you have the freedom to tell the story how you see fit, to take the characters wherever you like, and make them talk and act however you want. And you do all that without any regard for what others may think. That's pretty much what any good writer does, and as long as they do, the work will be successful on one level or another. Looking forward to seeing the extended cut, though the theatrical (US) release was a fine edit. Great review, Vern.
Cheers, Elored2 by strosmer	Sep 19th, 2007 02:46:00 PM
Liked what you had to say there, and pretty much in total agreement with it. Definitely looking forward to the extended cut now after reading your comments on the McGraw and toe-licking scenes.
Dont agree by kilik777	Sep 19th, 2007 02:59:37 PM
The extended Mcgraw scene was boring and unnecessary. I liked the convenience store scene except i dont understand why it was in black and white. Overall i probably prefer the theatrical cut better. The lap dance scene was good though. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
No ones discussing it, and I'm wondering by Your Moms Box	Sep 19th, 2007 03:21:14 PM
why the "aging" process QT was using in the first half of the film all the sudden dissapears?
Aging and B/W scenes by Elored2	Sep 19th, 2007 03:58:05 PM
I'd assumed myself that Tarantino was simply experimenting with various styles, with the B/W allowing for the transition to non-aged footage in the second half of the film, perhaps helping to segue the two sections movies together. I think one aspect that hit me when the film went from B/W to colour was the sharpness of the girl's Mustang, with the very strong yellow and red, which moments before had been whites and greys. I suspect SoylentMean's point is probably the more likely. As to people not enjoying Earl McGraw, well we know he is a QT/RR regular so what's the harm? I enjoyed it as did others so is a five minute scene really that harmful to the film, especially if it explains to us why Stuntman Mike now no longer operates in Texas (which incidently it was great to see in the movie)?
I'm glad those who enjoyed Death Proof by skimn	Sep 19th, 2007 04:07:59 PM
did. Sorry, I can't join your club. I enjoyed aspects of it, but not the whole. The extended gas station scene hinted, to me, the problem with DP. There is a pan across a magazine rack that predominately features Fangoria and Film Comment magazines. And that to me symbolizes the problem, trying to honor the lowbrow and the highbrow, and succeeding in neither. I did think the first car crash IS brilliantly staged and edited. I did want to like this more the second time around, it just didn't do it for me.
WHOA, DID SOMEONE MENTION EVIL DEAD? by Chilli815	Sep 19th, 2007 04:18:28 PM
Screw Grindhouse, lets have a producers cut of Evil Dead where Ash is a mute.
I Know Why Grindhouse Failed by PatsFanDK	Sep 19th, 2007 04:47:21 PM
Easy - It was too long and it wasn't good. I was more than happy to spread the bad word on Death Proof. Planet Terror...eh, not bad.
Hilarious by TheRevenge	Sep 19th, 2007 04:49:04 PM
You guys crack me up...talking about DP as if it has any depth or meaning. Remind me of the failed film students I see in coffeehouses, going on about how any movie that is liked by the masses obviously sucks but unliked mediocrity with bad dialogue is somehow brilliant. Anyone who doesn't like the films like DP "doesn't get it" or they aren't ss smart as you are...or they "dont appreciate film"...and you'll be trying to find meaning in this stupid, ego-trip, non-movie for years to come. It was horrible. It was boring. It had shitty characters who spoke and behaved like QT clones. The car stunts were impressive...but pointless. The scratchy film technique that lasted the ENTIRE MOVIE in PT was suddenly gone mid-way through this movie...not because QT was "experimenting" (as you apologists say, like trained mynah birds, blindly defedning Tarantino like a political partisan hack), but because QT simply stabbed blindly from start to finish. And QT completely betrayed his entire vision, which was to make a "Grindhouse" double-feature. Rodriguez GOT that, which is why hardly NO ONE bashes PT, even those who somehow like the shitball that is DeathProof. People don't bash "Death Proof" because they are "stupid" or "don't get it" or aren't cultured in the ways of film...They are bashing it because they wanted to see the Grindhouse movie Tarantino promised. He failed.
The missing reel of Planet Terror by TheNorthlander	Sep 19th, 2007 04:58:55 PM
It doesn't contain the explaination of El Wray's origin or who he is. At least not the version released in European cinemas.
Sorry, not buying it to support the loss at the theater by zekmoe	Sep 19th, 2007 05:02:34 PM
In fact, in real terms it probably wasn't a loss to most involved. I'll be interested in buying the Grindhouse set, but only if it comes out before both movies get rerun to death on Cable.
Probably wait for the twin pack by sith_rising	Sep 19th, 2007 05:29:30 PM
I didn't like either one enough to buy it singularly, but I'd drop a 20 for the two of them (if it has the Thanksgiving trailer and a few interviews). It will happen eventually.
I can't believe no one mentioned that.. by Internet Thug	Sep 19th, 2007 05:38:07 PM
Deathproof features a white car pursuing a black car and running it off the road..it is obviously QT's statement on race relations in America in the 21st Century.
IT by skimn	Sep 19th, 2007 06:14:33 PM
But starts with the black car terrorizing the white car. Its the automotive "The Brave One". Brilliant observation IT.
To TheRevenge by Elored2	Sep 19th, 2007 06:47:05 PM
Those are some pretty harsh and foolish statements to make based on the fact that I and others like a movie and you don’t. I’m not suggesting you or anyone else who didn’t enjoy the film somehow didn’t get it. I don’t understand why you didn’t like it, but I appreciate that you didn’t. I disagree with a great number of the reviews on this site once I’ve seen the finished article, but I respect that movies make people react in different ways. I don’t need to be a Tarantino apologist, what the hell am I supposed to be apologising for? It isn’t like he has a body of work that will stand the test of time after all? I won’t bother listing those films (and I’m not speaking only of his work as a director) because you know already what those films are and how important they are both cinematically and culturally yourself. With Death Proof I wasn’t bored for a second, like I said I wanted it to last longer. I find your so called ‘QT clones’ to be a lot easier to watch than most of the characters in films released over the summer period alone and I think that’s a very derogatory remark to make against those individuals. You tell us you hate snobs who analyse film, then tell us that the dialogue and acting in this movie wasn’t to your liking. After this you go on to tell us exactly what he did wrong with the aging process and not maintaining it for the entire picture. You are probably right about that part. After all you’re TheRevenge, who does he think he is? I hate it too when directors experiment with movies and don’t stick to safe remakes and scripts. Hollywood could really do without anymore Tarantino’s for a while. Tarantino took the Slasher genre and injected it with a twist; he stuck to the rules we all know and made it very clear what he was doing. The dialogue was well written and the car crash was worth the viewing alone. How they did the effects work in that sequence astounds me. In the second act we have a revenge story were a really cool balls to the wall stunt woman actually gets some time to shine as more than a credit on a movie. If you weren’t amazed by her work then that’s fine, but I was and so were the people I watched the film with. To say that the car sequences were pointless in this film is to say that Freddy, Jason and the like really didn’t need to use their various knives in their respective titles. As to the analysis of film, well it is an art-form to be studied by those that love the medium. Given the nature of the reviews of the site’s owner and contributors the examination and understanding of film seems to be, in my opinion, a major point why people come here in the first place and why once again people like yourself bring the place down a notch or two.
The Paragraph Has Been Defeated by Internet Thug	Sep 19th, 2007 06:53:42 PM
^^^^^^
SO VERN'S GAY, THEN? by CopOnTheEdge	Sep 19th, 2007 07:38:04 PM
He says there's no reason to see the missing reel from "Planet Terror" and he doesn't describe the lapdance in "Death Proof." The missing reel is ROSE MCGOWAN HAVING SEX!!! And the lapdance could be lame, it could be hot, it could show thong, it could show boob, but we have NO idea because, well...Vern's gay and doesn't feel any need to go into specifics. Fuck off, Vern. (and my money's on the lapdance being completely LAME, because Tarantino has NEVER managed to make his heroines sexy at all so why start now?)
THE CUTTING OF "HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN" FROM THE TRAILERS by CopOnTheEdge	Sep 19th, 2007 07:48:36 PM
When did this happen and by whom? Rodriguez and QT (and this site) announced the winner of the FAN TRAILERS CONTEST was "Hobo with a Shotgun," me and my buddy watched it about 100 times online and were excited to see it in the theater...then PFFT, it wasn't shown. And don't give me "technical difficulties" with making prints, that's bullshit, they knew that all along and should have planned better.
CopOnTheEdge by TheNorthlander	Sep 19th, 2007 08:21:01 PM
actually, the lapdance was really long and showed not that much. You're better off downloading porn than thinking you're going to get anything interesting from real movies. I don't even remember much from the planet terror sex scene.
Vern, my lover... by SnatchVagina	Sep 19th, 2007 08:51:43 PM
You are both right and wrong. Yes, SPIDER-MAN 3 is the top grossing movie of the year, but it is also the lowest grossing of the series despite having the biggest opening. Now what does that tell you? Principally that it had bad word-of-mouth; 'Spidey 2' opened to almost 70 million (!) below 'Spidey 3' and still made nearly 50m more. SHREK 3? Off 120m from SHREK 2; the same with 'Pirates 3'. They made a lot of money, but their quality made them disappointments comparatively. Yes, some crap movies make a lot of money, but the majority of its cume is from the massive opening weekends. If your movie opens small or modestly and has good buzz, trust me, you'll the word-of-mouth will push you in the black; if it sucks, you'll drop off %60 your second weekend. I've been following box office since I was in high school and outside a couple movies (the second "Crow" movie, "Marci X") I have never seen a movie of such high profile make 50% of its total domestic cume in its first three days. The only thing you can attribute that to is one thing: absolutely horrible word of mouth. A good movie with good word-of-mouth does not drop 62% and 67% in its second and third weekends. And, yes, THE GRINCH was the #1 movie in 2000 but you're spouting off that fact out of context: it made 260m domestically, which this year would be good for only #6 (and we still have the holiday season to go). 2000 was a horrible year at the box office. Look, I'm glad you liked the movie...I'm always glad when someone takes something from a movie-going experience. But the majority of people didn't. It's not the Weinsteins fault, nor is it middle America's, and it sure wasn't the marketing. It was simply Rodriguez and Tarantino for putting out material that most dubbed to be mediocre, Tarantino's contribution particularly (I won't go into a review here, but let's just say I'm getting tired of his little wink-winks to himself). So in summation: make a good movie and more than likely you'll come out in the black. Make a bad one and you'll drop like a stone, which GRINDHOUSE did. And don't worry about the "fucker" stuff; it's only September and I've heard it muttered from a couple of my students all ready.
Crap Proof... Not Really by Dresh	Sep 19th, 2007 09:34:07 PM
The fact that anybody could enjoy this abortion is beyond me. Death Proof is not only, hands down, QT's worst film, buy it's a virtual death knoll for the entire Post-modern movement in American cinema; it's THAT bad. Mediocre acting, dreary cinemtography, lame action, and a half-baked sript. The girls are cute. So what!? Kurt is cool. Rent The Thing! DP is just an ugly mess; a failure on virtually every level. The worst aspect of the film was it's padded running time. Death Proof was ridiculously fat, even in Grindhouse. Releasing a LONGER/Talkier version as a standalone? Obsurd. What any of you people see in this picture is a mystery to me. And I think of myself as a fan of QT. Really. But he should really distance himself from this turkey and do something original again.
what i never got by Halfbreedqueen	Sep 19th, 2007 09:51:49 PM
is why they didnt just slow down the car and let her off the hood. there were SEVERAL parts in the chase when the car was basically stopped and Stuntman Mike's car was at least 20 feet away, and she could have quickly hopped off and gotten in the car. for some reason that really ruined it for me, I didn't get why 80% of the chase happened.
Sterotypical Evil Archer by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Sep 19th, 2007 11:10:41 PM
Grindhouse failed in terms of box office revenue because it didn't play at every multiplex. The closest it came to my town was 80 miles away and I live in a modest town where there are 27 screens. The audience was there, the movie wasn't. Grindhouse succeeded in being art for art's sake; it was an actual REASON to go to a theater because it celebrated the way movies are and have been. Death Proof is a good movie, at least on DVD. Other than Kill Bill it has more action than all the rest of his movies combined and that's counting Tony Scott's True Romance. I like the movies that Quentin puts out and they always surprise me; I expect something, but the result is always something else. That's art. That's quality. That's becoming more and more rare. Could Death Proof have been better? Yes.
O crap by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Sep 19th, 2007 11:12:27 PM
I just titled that with my user name. I apologize and therefore should be ignored. I'm still new here.
Oh, and one more thing... by SnatchVagina	Sep 19th, 2007 11:21:44 PM
In box office, there is a little formula that determines whether or not your movie benefited from good word of mouth: the percentage of your opening versus that of your final take. For instance, if you have a 4x multiplier (say, open to 25m and end with 100m) that is top-tier word-of-mouth, meaning you're generally looking at a well received flick by audiences. A 3x multiplier is average, and 2x (which GRINDHOUSE had) is unheard of. Don't think it's true? What were two of the more well received flicks out there this summer? TRANSFORMERS and DIE HARD; TRANSFORMERS opened in the 80m range and will finish with about 315m, or just under 4x its opening, which is solid. DIE HARD opened with a rather puny 33m and ended with around 125m, which is another solid 4x multiplier. Good word-of-mouth movies that resulted in strong box office. On the other hand, the poorly received SPIDERMAN 3 opened with 150m and ended with 338m, for about 2.2 times its opening weekend. SHREK 3? About 2.5x; PIRATES was at about 2.7x. Poorly received movies with poor box office after its opening weekend. It's not "nerdy number crunching" but fact: box office reflects quality, regardless what you think. The general rule regarding box office is that marketing and hype can buy you a big opening weekend, but the rest of your run is dependent on the quality of your flick, and it's true...
When Tarrantino Makes A Bad Movie Ill Admit It by skoobyx	Sep 19th, 2007 11:55:55 PM
I promise. I even sort of want it to happen so I can deny being his long term pwnee but he just doesn't have it in him. I feel an almost professional guilt about it. I felt it coming on with Kill Bill because of the long gap between his last movie and the ridiculous premise but the film is absolutely compelling and I always end up watching the whole thing if I catch a scene of it on tv. And while 'Pulp Fiction' is my favorite I also have to agree with some of the posters on here that 'Jackie Brown' is his best work. Its his most conventional film and makes you wish he'd try more character based scripts with less gimmicks but with something like 'Death Proof' you really don't care.
Tarantino is SO shy he puts himself in his own movies.. by Bill Clay	Sep 20th, 2007 12:36:09 AM
...because, realistically, who else would? He's painful to watch.
Zoe Bell was way overhyped by jimmy_009	Sep 20th, 2007 01:09:45 AM
She can't act, she should stick to doing stunts.
Cop on the edge by Vern	Sep 20th, 2007 01:38:54 AM
#1, it's fucking 2007 man, get over the calling people gay thing. You sound like a fuckin caveman, and not the funny lovable ones from the TV commercials. #2, as you can see here I have the internet. Thanks to this miracle of technology modern man does not need to get a quick flash of boobies on an R-rated movie to jerk off. So I didn't even remember that PLANET TERROR cut off during the sex scene. What I did remember was that when it starts up again everything is on fire, the various characters are all fighting together and most of the character conflicts have been mysteriously resolved. It's the funniest joke in the movie and it was obviously intended that way so yes, it would be dumb to make up scenes to go there.
Snatch by Vern	Sep 20th, 2007 01:47:03 AM
Well obviously there is truth to what you say about movies that are well liked having what they call "legs." But it seems to me as a non money-counter that those type of long releases are mostly a thing of the past, now it's all about blowing the wad on a huge opening weekend and releasing it to DVD a couple months later. I guess my question to you is why exactly you are interested enough to study that since high school. To me it seems kind of like trainspotting or collecting old calendars or something. To each his own of course but I think your love for your hobby causes you to give the science too much credit. I mean who the fuck cares if TRANSFORMERS is a popular movie - that doesn't change the fact that it is a moronic, inept piece of soul-less, corporate advertising garbage that manages to lower the standards of the artform, insult the intelligence of all of humanity and waste hundreds of millions of dollars that could've been used for something more constructive for humanity such as polishing doorknobs or making a giant fort out of money and burning it on TV. In five years few reasonable people on earth will admit they ever liked that shit but your mathematics will still prove that it got good word of mouth. So what is it other than something we can all look back on and be sad about? And what are your favorite movies? Don't you have some that weren't wildly popular with the whole world? And if so, does your love for those movies mean more or less to you than your love for those numbers you add up? And finally, do your students know you post on the internet as SnatchVagina? Anyway, thanks again for your input Professor SnatchVagina.
Duh by TheRevenge	Sep 20th, 2007 02:52:22 AM
Hey, Elored... Your pretentiousness to this piece of shit movie only proves my point. Well done. It's a shitty movie and your defense of it is exactly what the bad film school dropouts would say about it, as well. It is YOU who has dropped this site "a notch or two" with you insistence upon liking something that is only liked by people who hate everything liked by the massed. Good job...you're too cool for school. Just remember, even Bender wound up fucking the cheerleader at the end of "the Breakfast Club"...you're only as cool as your bad taste in movies allows you to be. And Vern said: "I mean who the fuck cares if TRANSFORMERS is a popular movie - that doesn't change the fact that it is a moronic, inept piece of soul-less, corporate advertising garbage that manages to lower the standards of the artform, insult the intelligence of all of humanity and waste hundreds of millions of dollars that could've been used for something more constructive for humanity such as polishing doorknobs or making a giant fort out of money and burning it on TV. In five years few reasonable people on earth will admit they ever liked that shit but your mathematics will still prove that it got good word of mouth. So what is it other than something we can all look back on and be sad about?"...a hilarious, ironic statement when you consider that I could say the exact same thing about the abortion known as "DeathProof"...! Congrats, Vern! You've applauded a movie the masses will soon forget which will soon be regarded as a forgettable piece of shit...hope you're happy your name is on the review...embarassing!
TheRevenge... by TheThirdMan	Sep 20th, 2007 03:51:01 AM
You are just as worse as any "film snob". Blindly passing off your OPINION as FACT. Don't get me wrong, many around here do, but you are one of the many assholes nonetheless.
I'm gonna get revenge on you TheRevenge by Vern	Sep 20th, 2007 04:30:43 AM
You're not making any sense there bud. My point about TRANSFORMERS was an example for Mr. SnatchVagina of why the actual quality and substance of a movie is more important to the viewer than the box office. DEATH PROOF doesn't parallel because it already didn't make money, and already is not hugely popular. In fact, if I had to bet money I would bet you this: in five years TRANSFORMERS will have an INDEPENDENCE DAY or BATMAN FOREVER type reputation as a piece of garbage that once was popular, DEATH PROOF will have a JACKIE BROWN style reputation as a movie that is better than people acknowledged at the time. I could be wrong but you gotta have that chance otherwise why would anybody take the bet? And I would like SnatchVagina to hold onto the pot on this one because he's good at counting money. By the way, buddy, you are being what is commonly referred to as a "complete douchebag." What you need to do in my opinion is calm down, channel your basic human decency and remember how to politely communicate with other human beings. There are reasonably intelligent conversations going on between people who disagree on the movie, so there are plenty of examples of how to passionately hate the movie without being a huge asshole about it. I mean come on buddy, you even painted us a picture there of you sitting in your "coffeehouse" staring into your fancy coffee drink and muttering to yourself while eavesdropping on the "failed film students." God damn it I DO get it! I AM cultured! For chrissakes I drink COFFEE! In a "COFFEHOUSE!" How DARE you failed film students go on with your pretentiousness, questioning my understanding of film! I AM A COFFEE DRINKER! AND I DID NOT LIKE A MOVIE THAT YOU LIKED SO I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG STOP LOOKING DOWN YOUR NOSE AT ME I AM A HUMAN BEING NOT AN ANIMAL! I totally should say that out loud that would be awesome. Why are you so touchy about this "getting it" shit? Nobody said you didn't "get it." In fact I even made a joke about that in the damn review! Just cool it buddy. And by the way, can you explain to me how Tarantino "betrayed his vision" by making the movie he wanted to make instead of the one you wanted him to make? Did he give you a sealed envelope explaining what his true vision was and inside it said "not DEATH PROOF" so you know for sure that was not his vision? I'm gonna have to start drinking coffee so I can overhear you explaining that one because I can't make heads or tails of it. Anyway man, stop with these weird fantasies of what other people think about you and just stick to your own insights on the movie, if you have any. Making those stupid generalizations kind of makes you look like a dipshit, and I think you are capable of better than dipshit status, my friend. Reach for the sky buddy and believe in yourself. Inside every douchebag lies the heart of a potential champion.
Self-indulgent twaddle- both the movie and your review! by MKiro	Sep 20th, 2007 05:49:34 AM
Come on, Vern. If the title hadn't had 'Tarantino' above it, then you wouldn't have even sat through the entire thing. This was lazy, self-indulgent filmmaking at its worst and to berate the Weinsteins for their involvement is a pretty shoddy excuse for the lack of B.O. success of the movie. The real reason for its failure was that it was shit. Pure shit. Incidentally, it is being released theatrically this week (solo) in the UK. Check out the reviews so far - You don't need to read them; you can SMELL 'em!
That sound you hear... by Internet Thug	Sep 20th, 2007 06:04:49 AM
"laughin' my fuckin' ass off by instruction Sep 19th, 2007 08:34:43 PM "I can't believe no one mentioned that.. by Internet Thug Sep 19th, 2007 05:38:07 PM Deathproof features a white car pursuing a black car and running it off the road..it is obviously QT's statement on race relations in America in the 21st Century." Nigga are you serious? "Race relations." You saw that far into this fuckin' movie? "Statement". I could see you saying that, but to point it out here? Are you f...fuck you gonna do,get on Bill Maher's show enxt time mos def and cornell west arrive? I mean damn dude. I see allegories too but jesus. Don't give over-rated fuckers too much credit. That on't make them jesus fuckin' christ walkin' 'cause they put a obvious "statement" (lol) in there. OOh, o I guess when clark wears "black", that means he's supposed to be a badguy, right? All I'm wondering is how fast will you assume I'm white, like everyone on the internet always assumes when you make these types of comments. (I love carefully-worded, heh heh, statements). Internet thug indeed." Is the fucking point zooming past your mushmelon you dumb douchebag. I take it you have yet to reach the part in the dictionary where they define "sarcasm". Try to keep up..like they say Reading is fucking fundamental son.
I walked out on DP, anyone else? by Nivek666	Sep 20th, 2007 06:11:43 AM
I thought Planet Terror was good, but I had to leave halfway through Death Proof because of the retarded banter between the women. I got up to the diner sequence, and I couldn't take anymore when after killing off the last set of Yappy Bitches, we are introduced to another set with that lame ass "I'm a Stuntwoman, Fucka!" dialog. Grindhouse died because half of it was Tarentinos worst film.
Vern you ignorant slut by Internet Thug	Sep 20th, 2007 06:12:46 AM
I fucking wept like a fat girl watching the notebook when Ironhide died so fuck you and your souless corporate moneymaking bullshit you heartless fuck!!!
Don't Waste $$$ by PatsFanDK	Sep 20th, 2007 06:12:46 AM
Hey geeks - I'd wait on buying the DP DVD. Soon enough it will be in the bargain bin! For $6.99! And I still wouldn't buy it! Otherwise, enjoy wasting your money and time on this piece of shit!
The state of Tarantino dialog by ButtfuckZydeco	Sep 20th, 2007 07:59:45 AM
I was a little thrown when Q started "sampling" Garfield comic strips for bits of dialog. He punctuated one exchange with "I resemble that remark." Realistic, I guess, but I also thought it was telling. And, man, I know people like different shit. I even think that the idea behind the flick was pretty good: Mike as a poser w the girls being the real badasses. But what confounds me is that people were entertained buy this flick. (There's your Weinstien subliminal command.) Part of the problem is that it was the 2nd half. Planet Terror was entertaining, mostly, but dragged for me once they left the BBQ, so I was already antsy. But most of the problem was that Death Proof was tedious. I didn't walk, but I admire the guy who did. And I think Q might have lost his coolness factor. The fact Tarantino jizzed all over Vanishing point was enough to get that film in video stores. I see it all the time. The fact Tarantino jizzed all over Vanishing Point isn't enough to get that film out of video stores. Again, I see it sitting in video stores all the time.
I don't know, man... by SnatchVagina	Sep 20th, 2007 10:06:11 AM
...sometimes people just want to go to the movies to be entertained, and that does not necessarily mean the movie has to be GOOD to accomplish that. TRANSFORMERS, I think, is a good example. I don't think it was a great or even good movie, but damn it, man, I had fun watching it. It's the same when I go to watch a Will Ferrel movie - I KNOW it's not going to be good, not even on a low-brow comedy standard, but hell, man, I'm just killing two hours to be entertained. Not everything has to be GOOD for you to enjoy it. Hell, I pop in my NIGHT AT THE ROXBURY DVD about once a month and I know that movie is shit. TRANSFORMERS had good word-of-mouth because people had a good time at it; yes, the story was lame and the action was a mess and the pacing was off, but the concept and a couple of cool set pieces made the $8 spent worth it for a lot of folk (including myself). And to answer Vern's question, yes, there are movies that I love that didn't do well at the box office. FIGHT CLUB is one example, but it just happened that I was ahead of the curve on that one because it grew a cult following on DVD. But the FIGHT CLUBs of the world are very much the exception. Sure, we all vary occasionally from what the masses like; I'm not exception. But for the most part I can look at a movie's box office take and its legs and determine generally what whether it was well received or not. Some people look at critical reviews at ROTTENTOMATOES, some by user reviews at IMDB, and some use box office. C'mon, man, you know that the MAJORITY of box office goers over 30 pretty much see movies based on some kind of second hand knowledge...we're past the stage of just blindly going to a movie not knowing whether we're going to waste $8 and 2 hours of our time. For me, a 28 year old school teacher with an 8 month old, I can't just go see every movie out there that looks interesting to me.
...and regarding GRINDHOUSE by SnatchVagina	Sep 20th, 2007 10:22:03 AM
...yes, movies are more frontloaded nowadays, but those are primarily the front-loaded blockbuster fare, which only populate your local cinema May thru July and November and December. The rest of the time you've got movies that open in the 10-20m range thats whole success depends on word-of-mouth. GRINDHOUSE is one of those movies. My predict on BOXOFFICEMOJO.com was that it would open with 18m and finish with about 70m because of good word-of-mouth. It opened to 12m, but even so, if it had even mediocre WOM it should have ended with at least 40m. It ended with 25m. That's...absolutely atrocious. Hell, man, SON OF THE MASK didn't even drop that hard. Thing is, people were coming out saying this: too long and not worth it. I like the concept of a GRINDHOUSE double feature, but it's not a concept for the masses. There's a drive-in just north of Austin in Killeen that carried GRINDHOUSE - THAT'S the ideal way to see the movie. People nowadays don't want to spend all day in a cinema when they'll be able to Netflix the damn thing in two months.
Yes, Vern, I do "GET IT!" by LoneGun	Sep 20th, 2007 11:41:03 AM
I just don't like it.
I don't get it... by Kabukiman	Sep 20th, 2007 11:50:21 AM
"I like the concept of a GRINDHOUSE double feature, but it's not a concept for the masses." So, right there, aren't you pretty much admitting that you're wrong about your whole box office analysis? If it is, as you admit, not for the masses, then how can you equate its box office failure with its quality? And, anyways, you lost all your credibility when you tried to talk about The Grinch. To say that it doesn't count because of the year it was released? That's absolutely ridiculous. It was a huge box office succes, but it doesn't count because....um, because you say so?
"Yes, Vern, I do "GET IT!"" by Kabukiman	Sep 20th, 2007 11:52:11 AM
Way to completely miss his point.
SnatchV, you actually teach children? by Spandau Belly	Sep 20th, 2007 12:01:04 PM
What subject? It must be some sort of advanced hybrid of math and English where you teach children which books are classics based book sales per demographic breakdown multiplied by sales of other titles by that author and minus the page count factoring in what weekend the book was released etc. It's nice to know that an entire generation is being shaped to ignore content and explain everything through capitalistic circumstantial qualifier-heavy babble. I hope your child has great openning weekend! Cheers!
Eesh by Cobbio	Sep 20th, 2007 01:04:20 PM
I dig Rodriguez and Tarantino, for the most part, but couldn't stand "Grindhouse". The film was flimsy and silly, poorly written, and just stupid. To me it screamed, "Us filmmakers are gonna sniff more coke than ever before, get more infantile in our writing than ever before, and who fucking cares? Yeehaw!" Both directors are better than this. I hope they return to making films worth watching.
Knowthyself/Cobbio - a lesson in grindhouse by strosmer	Sep 20th, 2007 01:48:27 PM
Knowthyself - Why would you expect a grindhouse film, or an ode to grindhouse film, to be decent or make sense? Cobbio - Flimsy, silly, poorly written, just stupid. Sounds like a true grindhouse film to me. RR and QT - mission accomplished.
Thing is, when you stretch these into full-length films by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 20th, 2007 01:49:29 PM
they cease to be the silly and fun gimmicks they were intended to be and become something else altogether. You fuckers are all arguing about these vignettes-turned-features, but you all know neither QT nor Rodriguez truly intended these to be stand-alone film entries in their filmographies. They weren't intended to be feature-length films, and as such, they simply don't work. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
gents by Vern	Sep 20th, 2007 01:51:32 PM
TomBodet: You know in GHOST DOG how Ghost Dog and his friend the ice cream man don't speak the same language, but always understand each other? Me and you are the opposite of that. You're clearly writing in English but I never know what you're talking about. MKIro: Man, for the third time I did not "berate the Weinsteins for their involvement" or make an excuse for the poor box office. You can call my review self-idulgent twaddle, that is fair, but only if you READ the fuckin thing first. I berated the Weinsteins for their decades of being the god damn Weinsteins, not for releasing GRINDHOUSE (which I referred to as a good deed). But I guess you're right, I actually only liked DEATH PROOF because it had the name Tarantino on the credits, and not for the many reasons I have explained in this review, my original GRINDHOUSE review and various talkbacks. Those are all just a cover story I made up for some weird reason and every time I watch DEATH PROOF and "enjoy" it it is actually some sort of weird chemical imbalance or something that exactly resembles enjoyment but is in fact not liking the movie, I guess. thanks for helping me to see the light on that one. SNATCH: See, I just don't see movies in the same way as you do I guess. Because if you watch NIGHT AT THE ROXBURY every month and enjoy it, why do you call it shit? Maybe to me it is (never seen it) but I'm gonna guess it makes you laugh so why can't you accept it as a good movie? For me an example would be STONE COLD starring Brian Bosworth. Sure, it doesn't stand up to some asshole's idea of what a respectable movie is supposed to be, but it is completely entertaining and full of brilliance in the stuntwork and (over)acting so I would never call it "shit," in fact it is THE shit. I always hated that notion of "guilty pleasures," but then I always hated the idea of being obsessed with box office, so I guess it makes sense that you would have both. Thanks for the discussion though, maybe we can learn from each other like Toshiro Mifune and Lee Marvin in HELL IN THE PACIFIC.
Vern, at least you admit it by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 20th, 2007 01:56:56 PM
;)
I wonder if BJ brought The Bear by batmanthehorse	Sep 20th, 2007 02:38:58 PM
people that dont like death proof are entitled to their opinion i guess but it fucking kicks ass and I would say the dvd made it better. i have so much appreciation for the car stunts now and i actually liked the deleted footage re-inserted.
What do you think the Farm Rapist did by Internet Thug	Sep 20th, 2007 02:59:29 PM
to that purdy little cheerleader when those bitches didn't bring back his car...now that is a sequel crying out to be made..get snappin' five-head.
Re: Strosmer by Cobbio	Sep 20th, 2007 03:17:02 PM
Good points about QT and RR accomplishing their mission of making a flimsy, silly, poorly written, and stupid grindhouse movie. I'm sure people who enjoy grindhouse movies dug it. It was probably the highest budget grindhouse movie ever, so I agree: mission accomplished. I just wish Rodriguez and Tarantino had made something worth watching. There's a reason the film tanked: nobody wanted to watch it. It was a bad decision by the Weinsteins to fund it and a bad decision by QT and RR to make it. Grindhouse geeks loved it, sure, but they compromise .00000000000000000000000000000 024 (possibly less) of the moviegoing population. The film was so bad and did so poorly at the box office that I hope it's the death knell of the grindhouse genre. How would that be for irony?
Hey Cruel_Kingdom by Kabukiman	Sep 20th, 2007 04:07:45 PM
"They weren't intended to be feature-length films, and as such, they simply don't work." If that's the case, if they were only ever meant to be 80 minute movies, then why did Tarantino shoot a 2 hour movie? Why did he submit it to Cannes? Why did he say in multiple interviews before the movie came out that he wanted to have two totally separate cuts? He compared it, in Fangoria, to the movies he had seen in grindhouses in the 70s, then saw the director's original cut when it was released on DVD later on and it would be so much longer and very different. But please, keep pretending you know what you're talking about.
Um... by Kabukiman	Sep 20th, 2007 04:17:58 PM
"It was a bad decision by the Weinsteins to fund it and a bad decision by QT and RR to make it." I think it was a great idea. I think the only bad idea was on your part in deciding to watch it. For a person who clearly knew that it wasn't something they would like, why did you watch it? And no, it's not the "death knell" for the grindhouse genre, genius. It was an homage to a dead genre, so it's not killing something. This isn't Night of the Living Dead, it didn't kill a zombie genre, it was an homage to a long dead genre. So, no. Not irony. Sorry, bub.
Responses to SPANDAU BELLY and VERN by SnatchVagina	Sep 20th, 2007 10:14:31 PM
SPANDAU BELLY: Oh yes, the horror of a teacher actually using empirical data and evidence versus his or her own personal opinion and bias! The shame! I guess good ol' SnatchVagina shouldn't be teaching kids because he actually looks at what's proven to be true; instead, I guess I should start teaching with what I personally deem to true rather than all that scientific research bullshit. You say this: "It's nice to know that an entire generation is being shaped to ignore content and explain everything through capitalistic circumstantial qualifier-heavy babble," as though my interest in box office would have any bearing on how I teach my kids. Uhhh, what planet are you from, my friend? Everyone wears different hats in their life; most sane people know how to differentiate between them. You can watch porn late at night in the privacy of your bedroom without acting like a damn porn star during the day, you know. Grow up (and learn to spell...maybe you could come work with some of my 5th graders; they'll teaching you how to spell "coming"). VERN: It takes perspective for someone to sit back and acknowledge that their own personal tastes aren't always what is necessarily "good" or of quality. Saying that "Stone Cold" (which I freakin' loved growing up) absolutely MUST be a good movie because, well, you like it, is a very egotistical stand to take. I acknowledge that my opinion is not necessarily the end-all, be-all; maybe to me, but I try not to look at everything from just my perspective. Hell, if what you say is true then I guess that Halo prequel book I just read (and dug) is a better book than James Joyce's classic "Finnigan's Wake," which I despised. That's just horrible logic. I'm not self absorbed enough to think that I'm always right.
"I'm not self absorbed enough..." by Kabukiman	Sep 20th, 2007 11:28:50 PM
You must not think much of yourself. I don't think Vern was saying that his opinion is the be all end all. In FACT, he was saying the EXACT opposite. Who says what's good or not? Is Stone Cold bad because you say so? Because 'the critics' say so? It is good because Vern says so? Or is it good, IN VERN'S OPINION, because he enjoys it? Obviously, you think A Night at the Roxbury is good, or you wouldn't watch it so often. Is it not enough to just be entertained by something in order to think it's good? I'm in the Vern camp, in that I don't believe in guilty pleasures. I think Anchorman is good. I also think The Third Man is good. Do I think they're on the same level? No, of course not. Why is 'good' an absolute? That's why they say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. If someone said to you that they thought a movie was good because it made them laugh, and another said that they thought a movie was bad because it didn't make a lot of money, which is the statement that sounds a little suspect? Let me ask you this...is a $20M movie that makes $200M at the box office better or worse than a $150M movie that makes 200M?
THIS JUST IN... by CopOnTheEdge	Sep 21st, 2007 01:14:34 AM
Vern is still gay. And Northlander, how do you know what the Planet Terror sex scene is like, have you seen it?
QT's Writing by Shis Cabob	Sep 21st, 2007 08:04:17 AM
The conversation portions of Death Proof seemed identical to the conversation's in Dogs and Pulp... this time with women. Sorry, but I think women have a harder time pulling off much of QT's writing style. Not everyone can be a believable badass. QT's writing is dull after you've seen it more then twice. It a little distracting to hear a string of phrases that was just used in SinCity... are you trying to make me think of that film, or did you already run out of material? If QT does a normal film next... like a movie that isn't a concept film, or an adaptation from a comic book... he's going to have stick to directing and skip the writing. please.
Kabukiman by SnatchVagina	Sep 21st, 2007 11:39:25 AM
Everyone has their opinion, yes, but I'm not naive enough to be Vern and think that DEATH PROOF is a good movie when a vast majority of the movie-going public thinks it's not. Hell, man, PHANTOM MENACE is in my top ten favorite movies because I'm a big STAR WARS fan but I don't kid myself into thinking that it's any good. I like TRANSFORMERS because it brought my childhood fantasy of seeing giant robot cars fighting each other on the big screen to fruition, but that alone doesn't make it a good movie. I think a lot of my opinion, but like religion I'm not willing to attribute my beliefs to popular beliefs. I like A NIGHT AT THE ROXBURY. Most people don't. Does that mean it's a good movie just because I like it? No. I still like it, but that doesn't make it what is generally perceived as being "good". I'm not that egotistical.
What? by Kabukiman	Sep 21st, 2007 12:53:06 PM
Where is Vern saying that, because HE thinks it is good, YOU must also think it's good? "Good" is a subjective thing. Is The Phantom Menace in your top ten because you enjoy it or just because you feel it has to be because it's a Star Wars movie? I'm a big Star Wars fan, but I hated Episodes 2 and 3 and only marginally enjoyed 1. I think that Episode 3 is bad, does that make me right and someone wrong if they think it's good? No, of course not. It's amazing that you won't even back up your own opinion by saying that something you like is "good" because you seem to think that expressing an opinion is egotistical. It's no more egotistical than you asserting your opinion that a movie is good based on your criteria that $$$=quality. Jesus, read Vern's comments about Stone Cold again. He didn't say it MUST BE good, he said that he thinks it is the shit. I don't see where you keep getting this garbage that he is trying to force you to like it. You know what? Now that I've bopped over to BoxOfficeMojo and looked at the Top 10 all time domestic, I'm not surprised that The Phantom Menace is in your top ten. Can I guess that it sits at the number five slot? At least until something bumps it down to #6? Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I realize that yes, you ARE in fact the egotistical one. Vern is at least basing his opinion on his own feelings and reaction to the movie. He's basing his opinion on his experience watching the movie. You're telling him he's wrong because he's not following the guidelines that you follow. How is THAT not egotistical? Have you never watched a movie with friends and had a difference of opinion on it? Have you never had a friend say he loved a movie and had your first reaction be to say "Oh, come on, that movie sucks"? That's not ego. That's called being a person and having your own opinion. Man, I'm really glad that I don't go see movies with people like you. You know what I love do after seeing a movie with friends? I love to hit a bar, grab a beer, maybe some wings, and discuss the movie with them. I'm glad that I don't have to wait until the numbers are in on Monday to get their preliminary opinion, then wait till the NEXT Monday, so that they can give a more elaborate opinion, based on the % drop-off on the second weekend, then finally give a more concrete opinion when they find out how it ranked among the top grossers of the year. You are completely insane, Snatch. Completely.
Oh, and another thing. by Kabukiman	Sep 21st, 2007 12:55:15 PM
How can you say that Transformers isn't a good movie? It's in the top 25 grossers of ALL TIME. That makes it good, no? But you just said that you don't think it's good. I don't understand...
Post nine more times in a row Kabukiman by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 21st, 2007 01:57:04 PM
Shit, think much of yourself there, partner? By the way, your logic sucks: just because something earns a shitload of money it must be good? Well, fuck, then Vanilla Ice must be a true talent, huh? I think he sold about 10 million copies, you fucking retard.
HAH! by Kabukiman	Sep 21st, 2007 02:37:20 PM
Wow, it's really good than you have a whole lot of reading comprehension, huh? But I'M the retard? At least you're paying attention, huh? Good one, bub.
Kabukiman and Snatch by strosmer	Sep 21st, 2007 03:36:36 PM
Kabukiman, your logic is fine. Cruel Kingdom either misread, or is just way off base there. Who can blame you for posting that much when you're dealing with such mentalities. I can't say I'm in agreement with you on the Star Wars prequels, but I won't start anything there (I've tried to defend those movies multiple times in these forums and it's essentially a no win situation). Just understand I don't like them based on where they place on the box office chart, or even because I love Star Wars. Snatch, your point, from what I can gather, is that the quality of a movie is reflected in its take at the box office. If I'm off-base there it's due to a lack of conciseness on your part (I don't have all day to read this stuff). In any case, that's got to be the most asinine argument ever made in these talkbacks. I can't even begin to list how many movies debunk this premise of yours (and a few others - what the hell is going through those brains, anything?). A lot of movies just don't get wide distribution, and not because they're not good films. If I even need to begin to explain why that is to you, well, all I can say is you've got a lot to learn about the world we live in.
Strosmer by SnatchVagina	Sep 21st, 2007 07:52:37 PM
“If I'm off-base there it's due to a lack of conciseness on your part (I don't have all day to read this stuff).” Yeah, buddy, you’re off base. You preach to me that I have a lot to learn about the world yet you’re willing to jump in a conversation without having read any of the back-log. Nice. If you go back and read my initial conversation with VERN you’d realize I wasn’t saying that how much a movie makes is reflective of its quality, but instead that there are SOME ELEMENTS, such as WEEK-TO-WEEK DROPS BASED ON WORD-OF-MOUTH, that are indicative of whether a movie is being well received by audiences or not. It had nothing to do with how much a movie makes and you’d know that if you’d actually READ what the hell the initial conversation was about. What I was saying (which I think VERN ultimately agreed with me on) is that movies that are generally well-received have good word-of-mouth and small drops at the box office from week-to-week, meaning that people are going ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FRIENDS AND FAMILY (if you hadn’t noticed, I’m highlighting key words seeing as you like to jump around without reading everything). GRINDHOUSE had some of the worst week-to-week drops of ANY MOVIE IN HISTORY. My argument was that films that get good word-of-mouth do not drop 62% and 67% in consecutive weeks…it just doesn’t happen if they’re getting any kind of good buzz. If your weekend drops are in the upper-sixties in terms of percentile then you’re getting about as good a recommendation as SON OF THE MASK and MARCI X did, which are some of the few to have fallen that quickly at the box office. In my example to VERN above I used SPIDERM-MAN 3 as an example: it made a ton of money, but in the end it was the lowest grossing of the series despite having the biggest opening; it opened to 70 million more than SPIDER-MAN 2 did, but ‘Spidey 2’ ended up with 50m more. What does that tell you? That the movie had horrible word of mouth. Yes, it made a lot, but comparatively it had by far the worst legs of any of its siblings. A movie’s legs are reflective of its quality, not its final gross or how much money it makes in the end. That’s basic data analysis, my friend. Now what were you saying?
I misread, Kabukiman by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 21st, 2007 08:04:41 PM
Sorry. You're still an assclown, though.
Yeah, C_K, you did. by Kabukiman	Sep 21st, 2007 09:57:04 PM
Don't apologize. Just change.
SnatchVagina by strosmer	Sep 21st, 2007 10:18:40 PM
I was saying you're argument is asinine. I'll stand by that statement. Later.
Thanks, Strosmer... by SnatchVagina	Sep 22nd, 2007 12:07:11 AM
Thanks for the nice, pert response. I'll take that as a "you're right, I fucked up" and move right along.
Oh, and Strosmer - one more thing... by SnatchVagina	Sep 22nd, 2007 12:15:38 AM
You write "I can't even begin to list how many movies debunk this premise of yours (and a few others - what the hell is going through those brains, anything?)." Well, sir, I challenge you to do just that - list me ONE movie that ended up grossing 50% of its entire box office take in its first three days. C'mon, man, you said you had a complete list that debunks my theory...tell me what's on it?
The Curse Of The Dream Ticket by mrbong	Sep 22nd, 2007 05:38:12 AM
the problem is we all expected something outstanding as you had Tarantino working with Kurt Russell. think back to how we were all excited about the idea of Scorsese working with Day Lewis and Neeson on Gangs Of New York, only to see 3 putrid hours of watches being stolen. there was no way that a Tarantino / Russell film was going to live up to the expectations all had, but the fact that they delivered a distinctly average film made it worse. it's like they were not even trying. i agree with most - the moronic, dull, morose and inane conversations between the girls which takes up far too much of the film is what kills this one. a great shame, a lost opportunity. oh well.
For Pete's sake, Snatch by strosmer	Sep 22nd, 2007 09:19:32 AM
I said, "your point, from what I can gather, is that the quality of a movie is reflected in its take at the box office." I could have started listing away had that indeed been your premise. But you were right, I was off base there. With that in mind, I won't challenge your theory. I believe you have put a lot of time into your data analysis, your formula, and perhaps have developed a valid theory - "WEEK-TO-WEEK DROPS BASED ON WORD-OF-MOUTH are indicative of whether a movie is being well received by audiences or not." This is your theory, correct? Nice work. What relevance does it have to film criticism? None. It's asinine. Now how about you and me each find something far more worthwhile to occupy our time with? Yeah. This whole damn talkback is asinine. I say that based on the premise that DEATH PROOF ROCKED! Muwahahahhahaha!
Notice no one argued my point about the dialogue by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 22nd, 2007 01:44:56 PM
being shitty and unquotable. Name me one really cool line of dialogue in this whole fucking mess of a film.
I think it's because... by Kabukiman	Sep 22nd, 2007 02:50:12 PM
...nobody gives a shit what you think.
Or possibly... by Kabukiman	Sep 22nd, 2007 02:56:06 PM
...the fact that the characters weren't criminals or scumbags or tring to be cool. If it had be hip and cool and 'quotable' you'd be bitching that it didn't sound real or authentic.
Go fuck yourself by Cruel_Kingdom	Sep 22nd, 2007 04:25:47 PM
If you have nothing serious to contribute, then don't.
tarantino above the law? by RAWHEAD RALF	Sep 22nd, 2007 05:36:12 PM
...hasn't some cinematic rule been breached having zoe bell play herself in a dramatic fictional picture? is she actually playing zoe bell the stuntwoman who makes motion pictures? kurt russel bless you for taking on the stuntman mike role, the character is right up there with snake plissken in its greatness...
hmmm by Kabukiman	Sep 23rd, 2007 02:29:41 AM
maybe i can misread the argument you're making and treat you like a piece of shit. Would I be contributing anything serious then?
Cruel Kingdom... by TheThirdMan	Sep 23rd, 2007 11:47:47 PM
In my opinion, almost every line out of Kurt Russel's mouth was pretty fuckin quotable.
Okay, I'll admit it once and for all: by Napolean Solo	Sep 24th, 2007 05:16:23 PM
I love "You Got Served". I, I can't help it. I... really love "You Got Served". ... save me
T by THISISWARRIORNATION	Sep 25th, 2007 09:19:30 AM
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QUENTIN AND ROB ZOMBIE SHOULD TEAM UP by THISISWARRIORNATION	Sep 25th, 2007 09:22:11 AM
REDNECKS CAN DISCUSS HOW TURA SATANA DESERVED AN OSCAR FOR HER PERFORMANCE IN FASTER PUSSYCAT KILL
it was okay by br_m2008	Sep 27th, 2007 06:34:53 PM
i thought it was okay. not as good as his other work but... ahhh err, not bad... some cool death scenes.. some of the chicks were hot..
QUENTIN AND ROB ZOMBIE SHOULD TEAM UP by br_m2008	Sep 27th, 2007 06:36:36 PM
i agree they should do a grind house style twilight zone co-produced by dimension & lion's gate!!
snatchvagina by myspoonistoobig	Sep 29th, 2007 03:55:57 PM
What Vern is saying is who gives a shit what makes a good movie, which is exactly what you were saying. In the post about Transformers you talked about just wanting to have a good time and all Vern is saying is to define the quality of some movies on whether or not it succeeds that that modest goal. I agree with that too. Nobody's going to run off with your Film Buff card if you tell someone you think Night at the Roxbury is a good movie (although I might set it on fire because you liked Transformers just to spite you). And for the record I thought Death Proof was awesome. People who say it wasn't "grindhouse" weren't paying attention to the way it totally pushes buttons in the most exploitative way, like showing a crash three times or having a 10 minute car chase with a girl on the hood and then sending them back to beat up on the guy. There's a difference between a B-movie and an exploitation movie, and Grindhouse was a great example. Personally I didn't think much of the Kill Bill movies or Reservoir Dogs so hopefully I'm not choking on too much of Tarantino's cock. You can say that's only three movies but last time I checked there were only six of them so eat me.
Fun Movie by Samson Posey	Oct 1st, 2007 06:53:38 PM
I loved this movie, though it's definitely not for everyone. Kurt Russell plays a great psycho and has a great cowardly turn at the end. All of the girls played their roles well, especially Butterfly. The car chase scene is old school, legendary muscle cars and well-crafted stunts. I enjoyed the theatre version a great deal, but the extended version is even better. It stands well on its own. It's a movie that's not meant to be over-analyzed. It's Tarantino's take on a 70's slasher pic, and his ego definitely gets in the way of the true Grindhouse spirit. The best way to describe it is: glorious, explosive and mindless fun.
final word by christian66	Oct 2nd, 2007 03:13:16 PM
the film was called GRINDHOUSE and that's what shoulda been released. how bizzare for vern to not plan on watching GH again so he's fine for it be cut up -- WHAT? the whole point of GH was to duplicate a night at the movies and to putthat dvd on at home is what you should want. that's a party movie mix right there! but objectively, DP does not work alone. russell is fantastic but to cut away from him to some of the most boring shallow women in recent film history was a deadly mistake. i'm sure qt thinks his dialogue is true and great, but it's only true for teen girls hanging out on melrose. and not a one would ever be referencing VANISHING POINT. qt made a grindhouse movie without the grind. still my favorite theater experience in years tho - as it was meant to be seen. got it vern?
Cruel_Kingdom by Halfbreedqueen	Oct 5th, 2007 07:30:44 PM
You want one cool line? How about "That's gotta be one motherfuckin' charming pig." Wait...
Fuckin' loved it by racyscooter	Oct 11th, 2007 01:36:51 PM
I love how QT splatters the screen with all that he loves. Stuntman Mike, Zoe the Cat, weird 70s vibe, Vanishing Point, and Death Proof. I was really thrown when Jungle Jill pulls out a cellphone, but it made me love the movie even more. I love watching QT films because every frame drips with his gooey love.
crap by vic g	Oct 28th, 2007 11:13:17 AM
horrible movie. hey quentin why don't you stop ripping off foreign movies and do something original.fucking hack
GETing IT? by Charlie & Tex	Nov 1st, 2007 08:37:54 AM
We got the objective of the movie, but we still thought that it was supremely boring even in the Grindhouse version and there is nothing more piss-boring than hearing QT-written girly chit-chat for what seems like an eternity - much of the dialogue is only heard within the confines of a QT movie and sticks in the throat like a rogue herring bone.

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