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eh. by blonde redhead	Sep 17th, 2007 02:31:18 AM
i'm not totally thrilled with buffy season eight--dawn as a giant is just annoying and weird--but i will check the first few issues out anyhow. what i really want is a spike/faith/anya/giles comic. will it happen? no. but i can dream.
Not First! by Cheif Brody	Sep 17th, 2007 02:31:28 AM
I think
Hehehe!!! I already have this on my pull list! by captboulder	Sep 17th, 2007 02:43:12 AM
It will own'd! Thanks, Herc! I know you're a Buffy fan, but thanks for this!
Not only did he not slay the dragon, but he riding it! by captboulder	Sep 17th, 2007 02:46:12 AM
Should be interesting!
So, why no features? by Liquid_Daze	Sep 17th, 2007 02:49:49 AM
I guess the long-form of comics may suit Wheddon's ideas for continuing these stories; but is there no desire (on his part) to pursue feature films? Is it because SMG and David Boreanaz have disowned their former characters? Next interview somebody should as DB, "So, I hear your character is an FBI agent who was cursed by gypsies to have a soul..."
Nice. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 02:55:53 AM
Somebody over at Whedonesque jokingly predicted that Angel would make friends with the dragon a while back. Ha. Now I just want to know who survived the finale. Here's hoping Gunn made it.
OK, for some reason Angel looks like Elvis... by AnnoyYou	Sep 17th, 2007 02:58:28 AM
...but I'm still intrigued, much more so than with the Buffy comics (which just make me want to punch things). This is an interesting start - if they don't get too fancy or outlandish, it could be a credible continuation of the story. We'll see. "Angel" was always more interesting than Buffy anyway - I credit that to David Greenwalt, to mitigated Whedon's baser instincts.
AnnoyYou by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 03:01:59 AM
The only thing needed for it to be a "credible continuation of the series" is Whedon's involvement. Doesn't make a difference whether you like it or not.
wait, he befriends the dragon? by newc0253	Sep 17th, 2007 03:08:46 AM
Tonight, on a very special episode of Puff the Magic Dragon... The art's good but doesn't quite seem that the artist's mastered drawing Angel: that close-up shot on p4 looks like a doodle in some 16 year old girl's notepad. Otherwise a cool start, though. LA in hell is a great concept (like that town that got shifted into hell in planescape). My prediction? Gunn is probably dead. Krevlornswath won't appear for a long while, having disappeared. But plenty of opportunity for Illyria goodness.
So what's canon and what isn't? by Just another useless chump with a microphone	Sep 17th, 2007 03:26:18 AM
Cause I have read two of the Spike spinoff comics, and there are a number of Angel comic spinoffs that take place AFTER S5. According to the Spike book "Asylum", the only ones who didn't survive are the ones we saw die in the finale of the show. If any of you haven't read it, pick up Asylum. I thought it'd be a fun but cheesy read, but it's actually REALLY good. The writer really nails Joss-speak, and he nails Spike's character and speech patterns perfectly. It feels like Joss himself wrote it. The Spike Vs Dracula books, I'm afraid, are not as good...they're fairly hit or miss.
Canon. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 03:32:53 AM
Angel: After the Fall is the only post-season 5 Angel comic which counts as canon. But if you liked Asylum, you'll be glad to hear that the guy who wrote it, Bryan Lynch, is writing this series too.
Man oh man.... by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 03:55:41 AM
Angel riding a Dragon. I didnt think a concept out of a comic could blow me away like that...
Doubt Gunn dead as he the only human on the team by captboulder	Sep 17th, 2007 03:57:29 AM
left now that Wes is dead. I do wish Spike had died because his character has been played too death already! Survivors are gonna be Angel, Gunn(maybe), Illyria, and Spike.
Who's the girl he mentions? by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 03:59:19 AM
That the corporation kills? Fred? It didn't all start with her. Or did I miss something (was blondie cop killed by WR&H)?
Anyway, from what Ive seen of Buffy S8... by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 04:02:08 AM
... it seems alright, but doesn't feel "right", you know. The way Seasons 6 and 7 (despite being good) didn't feel like the rest of the series. This, on the other hand, feels like an actual continuation of Angel. It feels like the show, and not just a comic book.
Doc: The girl was Fred. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 04:02:15 AM
The cop, Kate, was written out of the series when the actress who played her left for Law and Order or some show like that.
ALthough. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 04:02:50 AM
I suppose it could have been Cordelia.
But it said, "It all started with a girl" by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 04:13:00 AM
But "it" didn't all start with Fred. And it could be Cordy, but did WR&H kill her? Actually, WR&H didn't kill Fred either. Technically, the "girl" it all started with was Buffy, but even though she died twice, it was definitely not WR&H that kill her either time. Oh wait, what about the girl in the first episode! WR&H didn't directly kill her, but a client of theirs did, which they facilitated.
Looks crap to me. Sorry. by V'Shael	Sep 17th, 2007 04:35:56 AM
I won't be buying it.
I believe its Cordy that reference BUT I dunno.. by captboulder	Sep 17th, 2007 04:36:33 AM
that feels kinda strange. Oh, well.
Oh dear. by Brody77	Sep 17th, 2007 04:46:29 AM
This is awful. 5 pages of guff. Could they not have just left it? Now the Buffiverse is mired down in what is & isn't canon arguments. So that novel with The Immortal - just a load of pish was it? He'll never get the movies made now. Note to Joss - YOU ARE NOT GEORGE LUCAS.
One question by PurityOfEssence	Sep 17th, 2007 04:51:25 AM
Why the fuck do so many people refer to Whedon on a first name basis?
Brody77 by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 04:53:03 AM
Uh, there is no argument. Joss Whedon has clearly said what's canon and what isn't. No big deal. And no, he isn't George Lucas. Thank Christ.
Purity. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 04:54:35 AM
Ha, I know. I think it's just because they're big fans and he's a very approachable sort of personality.
And by the way: by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 04:59:31 AM
They're never going to make a Buffy or Angel movie. At least not for the big screen. Get over it.
"It all started with a girl" by newc0253	Sep 17th, 2007 05:33:37 AM
was a little confusing, i agree. If the girl in question is Buffy, then Wolfram & Hart didn't kill her. If the girl in question is Cordelia, then arguably it was the PTB that killed her, not WRH. And if it's Fred, then, yes, WRH killed her but - as DocBosch points out - it didn't start with her. Also, canon in Buffy and Angel is really clear. The tv episodes and the comics that Whedon wrote/oversaw are canon. Any of the books aren't. Also, Buffy Season 8 is frakking great so far. Esp the new Faith arc.
My theory... by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 06:18:25 AM
I may have my Angel events mixed up, but I think I've figured it out. The "it" could be the apocalypse that's currently going on, and not the entire Angel saga. He begins by talking about working for Wolfram, then says they killed the "girl", and it opened his eyes, and he took a stand. So "she" could be Fred, if her death is what caused him to turn against the senior partners. I'm not sure, I have to go back and brush-up on my Angel S5.
It would upset me if Gunn isn't dead... by DanielKurland	Sep 17th, 2007 06:19:45 AM
In the original script for the finale, he died, and then they decided to change to how he was GOING to die (Illyria and Spike both make references to his condition), so it wouln't be as depressing. I don't want to see some magical swami healing him, just so we can use him in the comic. The character was getting kind of old anyway. I'm sure they'd love to be using Wesley right now, as I know they wouldn't have killed him, had they had a season six, but I doubt they'l lbe retconning that too. Looks pretty good so far.
The opening is a little confusing... by Yeti	Sep 17th, 2007 06:34:08 AM
Not sure who the "girl" in question Angel is referring to is. I assume Illyria and Spike made it through the battle with Angel, Gunn not so sure about.
Ye Olde Gravy Leg by Brody77	Sep 17th, 2007 07:53:38 AM
Sorry dude, I must have missed Joss' memo on what is & isn't canon. I'll assume though that it's a case of tv show & these crappy comics are canon? Oh, I should have been more exact in my comments - I wasn't meaning big screen - rather tv movies. The way SMG's career is going it wouldn't be a problem. Then again, the movies/tv movies/spin offs are all just fanboy wankery - how often do we hear Ripper get a mention?
The "girl" is Fred & here's why by skrishnan37	Sep 17th, 2007 07:54:55 AM
Read the order of the thoughts. He joins Wolfram & Hart. They change him. Then they kill the girl. That opens his eyes to the need to stand up against them leading to Season 5 series finale. Fred was the only girl to die then and W&H directly caused it. Buffy's deaths had nothing to do with W&H and were Angel S5, the girl who died by W&H in the 1st episode from season 1, was well, season 1, and Cordy died in season 5, but her death was caused by the big boss from season 4, who W&H opposed.
I'm sorry, Angel didn't get good till the Vegas by James_O'Nasty	Sep 17th, 2007 08:06:29 AM
episode! Season 5 was fookin' excellent, but when I check TNT for Angel reruns, if it is the gang in Pylea? Holy Crap!!!! No Thanks!!!
TV series can NOT continue in other media by lionsfan	Sep 17th, 2007 08:11:38 AM
It's a damn joke that this website insists on calling a comic series season xx of the tv series it was based on. It is NOT the same thing. Following your logic, I have some insider information as to where to find seasons 7,8,9 and 10: season 7 will explode onto CD audio books, season 8 will amaze you with it's premier on old school A.M. Radio drama (even featuring one of the original cast members voices),season 9 will include the kiddies as it will blow your mind in 12 consecutive coloring books with variant covers for the parents to color for themselves, and finally, season 10 will return back to the medium it came from by airing on a series of infomercials on late night TV.
"this website insists"? by newc0253	Sep 17th, 2007 08:22:49 AM
It isn't AICN calling the new Buffy comics "season 8", etc, it's the comics themselves. Check the cover for yourself. Ultimately, it's up to Whedon how he wants to continue the story. If he decides to do season 9 in puppet theatre, then you can bitch all you want but that's canon. @DocBosch: your explanation makes sense: the 'it' is the current apocalypse and the girl is Fred.
'The Girl' is obviously by Samson_K	Sep 17th, 2007 08:23:10 AM
The girl in the first episode of Angel that he failed to save that made him life (unlife?) long enemies of Wolfram and Hart.
....whoever is deciding to by lionsfan	Sep 17th, 2007 08:25:33 AM
....whoever is deciding to continue with season numbering is slave to marketing and an idiot. By the way, angel has had it's fill with puppetshows thank you very much
Nice job Herc by CarmillaVonDoom	Sep 17th, 2007 08:27:26 AM
And Lionsfan....You keep cryin' and we'll keep readin' since it IS Season Six of Angel. Just because you don't like it you can't decide it isn't canon. It is pretty ridiculous that Buffy Season 8 started last MARCH and people are still arguing that Joss can't continue HIS story HIS way.
So comic books are news now? by John Winchester	Sep 17th, 2007 08:29:54 AM
Nice Deceptive Title there Herc.
They should bring back Wes as a ghost by CarmillaVonDoom	Sep 17th, 2007 08:32:29 AM
Illyria needs his help...she probably has some power they can make up that can summon his spirit. Or something. Having everything continue without Wesley is my only complaint here.
Like going to high school parties when you're 30... by tonagan	Sep 17th, 2007 08:37:38 AM
That's what these comics are like. Time to move on, everybody.
thank you by lionsfan	Sep 17th, 2007 08:41:49 AM
thank you
A Pet Peeve... by Lain Of The Net	Sep 17th, 2007 08:42:17 AM
...of mine is the covers. When the old Buffy comics were being done I was bugged that most featured Buffy and Angel looking directly into the eyes of the reader. I felt like I was being invited into a threesome. (Not a bad idea but they both look kinda flimsy to me.) Now with the Angel comic we once again have the "glowering" Angel looking out from the cover. Unless a character is built like Power Girl they should not be looking at the reader.
pussys way out by lionsfan	Sep 17th, 2007 08:44:53 AM
my problem with it is that it is the pussys way out for joss. If he doesn't have the time/energy/desire to continue the story, then do NOT continue it. Don't try to tell me to read the book, or comic book or video game to get the rest of the story. Is that how we want this seasons eps of lost,heroes to manifest themselves? You're buying into the hype of a 2nd rate attempt at something I'm assuming we all loved. Boo hoo
Franco Urru... by shwanzi	Sep 17th, 2007 08:50:22 AM
is my cousin and I'm very proud that he's moving up the Buffyverse food chain rather quickly, going from Spike: Asylum, to Spike: Shadowpuppets and now to this. Franco, if you're reading this, congratulations from your family in Chicago!
Buffy Season 6 by 1FearlessJay	Sep 17th, 2007 09:27:34 AM
These first few pages remind me of Buffy's 6th season, when she return from the grave and it went all moody. I remember that as (arguably) the most lackluster season. Granted, we only saw a few pages, but I'm just sayin', as fan, I'm seeing a strong comparison. And considering how good Angel Season 5 was... this book has a lot to live up to.
SPOILER about Gunn by AnotherAaron	Sep 17th, 2007 09:51:02 AM
SPOILER I don't remember where I read this, an interview I think, but Gunn was vamped in the final battle. He's the villain for at least the first arc or so. Considering Gunn's history, I think that's ironic, horrific fate for him...and more interesting story-wise than simply killing him off.
when i saw the last episode by munkie loco	Sep 17th, 2007 09:53:51 AM
i swear i was shouting at the tv. i couldn't believe they killed wes. it was crap! damn it it now i'm getting upset all over again....anyway, glad to see that they are continuing one way or another. can't wait to get my hands on it.
The art looks rushed by Neo Zeed	Sep 17th, 2007 09:58:02 AM
I hate to say it, but it's true. I know fans will buy it becuase it's Angel, but I was expecting more.
So Angel actually rides the Dragon ... by Mr Cairo	Sep 17th, 2007 10:19:04 AM
.. thats just bollocks
Gunn by Daburcor	Sep 17th, 2007 10:20:47 AM
I've always thought it was pretty clear that Gunn didn't make it. *SPOILER(ish) ALERT* A) It wouldn't make sense with the way his story was heading or had been. Gunn was involved with Fred's death, and needed to atone for it. The only way he could really do that is to go out doing what she would have wanted him to do; Fighting 'the good fight'. B) Everyone knew he was going to die in that battle. Illyria mentions it, Gunn accepts it, etc. We just didn't get to see it. He seemed to have the same type of wound that killed Wesley, but given the fact that he was more of a warrior, it didn't kill him as abruptly as it did 'ol Wes. C) Both Joss and Jeff Bell mentioned Gunn'n non-survival on the season five overview (Season 5 box). Jeff Bell says something along the lines of it making sense that the superheroes were the ones to survive, while Joss out and out mentions 'a soon to be dead Gunn'. Would I have liked to see Gunn live? Hell yes! He was a favorite! BUT, I think his death was a perfect and fitting end to his arc. He went out fighting the good fight.
Excellent by angeliclestat	Sep 17th, 2007 10:26:00 AM
This was a very nice surprise to wake up to! Very very happy about this. November is so far away though! Cant wait to read the rest!
Listen bitches, nobody is forcing your complaining by captboulder	Sep 17th, 2007 10:28:26 AM
asses to even read the goddamn S6 Angel comics! Quit trying to act superior when you have made it already clear that you love the series and will be picking up the comic! And for the idiot that doesn't see comics as news then you must have a fucking memory relapse as comics NEWS are part of AICN! Next for those bitching about comics not being canon get over yourselves! Be glad that someone is using a different media to continue a tv series or whatnot. How many tv shows that was cancelled too early and you wished they could've been continue somehow? Books is a media and the stories can continue IF the creators of tv series want them, too! Bitch all you want but you'll buy this and we all know it...fanboys!
Typo you NOT your! Buy or don't buy the comic but by captboulder	Sep 17th, 2007 10:33:33 AM
spare us the BS about canon as it is, what it is. Joss said it was so end of story!
Gunn as vamp is NOT gonna happened, at least by captboulder	Sep 17th, 2007 10:39:14 AM
that what Brian said after someone email him about that issue. Actually IF Gunn story was near an end than Spike have been way overdone! C'mon Spike should have died at the end of Buffy S7 and stay dead!
I'm the happiest man alive by liljuniorbrown	Sep 17th, 2007 10:51:39 AM
I havn't bought a comic book in twenty years (that would have made me 8 years old) maybe less, anyways I will be the first in line to buy this one as I am HUGE Angel fan. I was pissed when Cordy and Wes died, I always thought Fred would make a come back....but now the sky's the limit as to what they can do on paper, I just hope the art will get better, i'm not artist but I would like to see a little better.
Ghost of the robot by liljuniorbrown	Sep 17th, 2007 10:54:06 AM
I just downloaded James Marsters band Ghost of the Robot,there song It's Nothing.....it's fucking great. Anyways who the fuck is Krevlornswath ? Are we talking Lorne? Why not just say Lorne? I am confused.
captboulder, why hast thou forsaken thee? by 1FearlessJay	Sep 17th, 2007 10:59:01 AM
I hope none of those comments were aimed at my comments because I was just trying to keep things in perspective. I'm ELATED to have more "canon" (yes, it's official kids) Angel, and sure I'll be drooling by the end of the first issue. I'm just praying it lives up to the last season which pwned my ass!
Hmm by xsi kal	Sep 17th, 2007 11:15:48 AM
If they are in hell, maybe Joss can bring back Cordy and her magically dancing breasts for my enjoyment. That is all.
If Spike died at the end of season seven... by LordEnigma	Sep 17th, 2007 11:18:24 AM
Season five of Angel would not have been as good. Hell... the scariest episode of any TV show EVER, remains the episode in which Spike has to deal with the tortured ghost, and that asshole who tortured them. Nevertheless; Angel riding the dragon is pretty freakin awesome. It would make more sense for him to be able to ride that dragon then take him down. He also needs a ride. Angel has always been about the RIDE. Now; he has a ride that spits flames. Why he needs a dragon and LA is in hell... that's the real mystery.
Oh for hell's sake 'the girl' is Fred. Moving on... by NNNOOO!!!	Sep 17th, 2007 11:45:22 AM
Sure looks like A is flying into the sun on page 4. What's up with that?
Looks good to me ! ! ! by Ninja Nerd	Sep 17th, 2007 11:47:19 AM
I've always wanted to know what happened after they (Angel and Co.) ran up taht alley into W&H's army. I wanted to see Fred/Illryia "...do some more violence" and I wanted to know if Gunn bit the bullet. Angel riding a dragon and L.A. in hell? Brilliant! I'm buying this in November.
Ok, here's what's what by oisin5199	Sep 17th, 2007 11:48:46 AM
Although the Buffy comics are billed as 'season 8,' this Angel comic is not officially called 'season 6' because it's only a miniseries. Fans are unofficially calling it season 6, because it is the first comic to both be set after the show ended and actually deal with happened at the end of the show. The reason why this is being considered canon is because it involves Joss' direct ideas for what season 6 would have been. Just like the current Faith arc in the Buffy comics involves actually story elements for what would have been the Faith spinoff (if Eliza hadn't gone with 'Tru Calling.') And Joss isn't wimping out. If you've read any interviews, you'd know that attempts were made to do those tv movies, but the networks wouldn't pony up the money, and Joss (yes, I use his first name. Get over it) didn't want to compromise his vision with a shitty budget and network interference. In the comics, he gets to tell the story how HE wants, with unlimited special fx, and without any annoying prima donna actors (ahem, Sarah and David) who want to forget the roles that made them stars.
I too rode the white dragon by BillyPilgrim	Sep 17th, 2007 12:12:13 PM
back in 92'.
It would've been interesting... by hank henshaw	Sep 17th, 2007 12:23:33 PM
to have the tv budget in mind when doing these comics. It's very unlikely that if this show (or Buffy) had gone on for another season a scene like the one seen in the comic would've happened. This way, anything goes, and while fun, doesn't feel like part of a tv show but something else entirely (a comic). So, you either say it's a comic based on Whedon's show(s) or you say this is the way it could've been if the show(s) hadn't been cancelled it can't be both.
RE: captboulder by John Winchester	Sep 17th, 2007 12:27:53 PM
Thing is when we get comic news, its usually listed as AICN COMICS. Herc's title implies a TV followup.
RE: Oh dear by Scrivener1701	Sep 17th, 2007 12:28:07 PM
> Note to Joss - YOU ARE > NOT GEORGE LUCAS. And thank dear sweet jeesus for that.
"it can't be both"? No, this is how it is: by newc0253	Sep 17th, 2007 12:32:56 PM
This isn't "a comic based on Whedon's shows(s)". This is the actual story of those shows continued in comic book form. It's also pointless to ask how the story would have been different if it had been a further season of tv. It is how it is, and either you like it or you don't.
NOOOOOO - Angel can fly into the sun because... by MrEkoLetMeLive	Sep 17th, 2007 12:57:04 PM
Apparently Wolfram & Hart has sent LA to Hell. When the gang travelled to Pylea, in season 2 we learned that in other dimensions, Angel doesn't need to worry about the sun.
"Canon" fodder by 1FearlessJay	Sep 17th, 2007 01:10:17 PM
This is how I explained the "canon" issue to my girlfriend who was a fan of the shows - If they were to ever make a movie or TV show in the Buffy-verse again, the events in the comics (Buffy Season 8 and Angel: After the Fall) will have happened. Why? Because this comes from the creator and has been OK'd by the company that holds the rights. It's that easy.
Not sure about the art, but ... by MorpheusTheSandman	Sep 17th, 2007 01:17:07 PM
the script is great! Count me in!
Cool... Canon... Who Cares... Artist = SUCKS by BojTrek	Sep 17th, 2007 01:20:47 PM
I think it is cool if this continues the story... will I buy it... NO... will I look for updates here... YES... Does the artist suck... YES... The cover and inside pictures look nothing like Angel. Boy is that artist terrible. That would be my only gripe Angel Season 6 Artist = SUCKS!
ANGEL IS RIDING THE DRAGON. HE'S TAMED A DRAGON. by howlermonkey	Sep 17th, 2007 01:21:35 PM
HOW DID YOUR BALLS NOT JUST GET BLOWN OFF?
'Season' 6 by Richard Cranium	Sep 17th, 2007 01:33:30 PM
It doesn't bother me if Whedon wants to do a comic series based on his characters, and I really am not going to get all fired up about weather or no people choose to accept this as the sacred 'CANON'. Whatever works for you. But calling it 'Season 6' or calling the Buffy comic 'Season 8' annoys me to no end. It's fine if you want to believe it's a continuation of the story, but it's clearly not a continuation of the TV SERIES unless it's on TV. So can we just call it something else besides 'Season 6'? Calling it that just smacks of delusion and denial that the TV Series is over.
i've been rewatching angel s5 lately... by brainofmorbius	Sep 17th, 2007 01:49:24 PM
...and it's well definitely Fred that they're talking about. Angel says that her death is the catalyst for his taking a stand against W&H a bunch of times, about not letting her die in vain. And given that he's talking about the events of S5, it's daft to assume he's talking about the girl from S1. DAFT, I say. Now that both series are continuing, there's no barriers for the many crossovers between the two shows that Joss would have liked to do. I hope plenty of them show up. And as it was a plan for S6 to have elements of Fred resurface in Illyria and the whole issue of them sharing a body, I wouldn't be surprised if that plot cropped up at some point. Personally I'd like to see Gunn alive - his part in letting Illyria die is nothing compared to Willows rampage of death, Anya ripping a whole football teams heart out, etc... I don't think he needs to die. But I think he probably has anyway.
RIDE THE SNAKE MORRISON by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Sep 17th, 2007 01:53:52 PM
The snake is long, seven miles
As Stephen Sondheim once remarked.... by Smerdyakov	Sep 17th, 2007 02:11:13 PM
True greatness is knowing when to get off.
"Season 6" by ryall	Sep 17th, 2007 02:38:27 PM
Hey, Richard Cranium, the official name of the comic is only ever going to be called ANGEL: AFTER THE FALL. You'll never hear us at IDW refer to it as "Season 6." I'm really glad the preview has been so well-received here. There's so much more I wish we could show, but this will have to suffice for now... see you in November!
"No barriers" by oisin5199	Sep 17th, 2007 02:51:25 PM
Except Buffy's gang being with Dark Horse, and Angel and Spike being with IDW. But I guess it's the same as Buffy on UPN while Angel was on the WB. Crossovers won't be impossible, but with the legal wrangling, they're going to save it for when it really counts. I just don't get why every single freakin' time we get a Buffy-related comic talkback, people are pissy about the 'season 8' thing. Get. Over. It. And thanks, Ryall, for confirming what I said earlier about 'season 6' being the unofficial name. And Hank, you certainly CAN have it both ways. For the same reasons studios do reshoots. You have the script as written, but then, because you get more money, you can ramp up the action or improve a set piece or something. So these are material from Joss' scripts (or Joss-approved scripts) but produced in an environment where budget isn't an issue. Not so hard to understand, I shouldn't think.
Smerdyakov - that's what 'She' said! by oisin5199	Sep 17th, 2007 02:52:32 PM
ba-dum-bum. Sorry, couldn't resist.
"No barriers" by Hercules	Sep 17th, 2007 03:03:39 PM
I believe Joss has said there are no legal barriers keeping the characters from "Angel" out of "Buffy: Season Eight" (and, in fact, we should expect cameos by Angel and Spike there in the near future). Not sure about IDW's ability to accommodate visits by Buffy, Giles, Xander and Willow, but I suspect the crossovers could theoretically run both ways.
Thanks ryall! Just keep 'em coming... by CarmillaVonDoom	Sep 17th, 2007 03:31:41 PM
Nothing else you'd rather be doing anyhow, right? ;^)
Are there legal barriers for Archie and Jughead? by tonagan	Sep 17th, 2007 03:32:53 PM
Comic books can do anything!
Ryall by Richard Cranium	Sep 17th, 2007 03:33:27 PM
I wasn't so much referring to the series publisher with the 'Season 6' comment, I figured that wasn't the official title. That comment was more directed at the people who are clinging to the TV series so tightly that they've convinced themselves that this comic series is the same thing. Once again, more power to all the people are psyched about it and want to read it, but it's not the same thing, and I find that putting the 'Season' connotation in front of it in order to try to convince yourself and others that it's the same thing is kinda sad.
Comics FTW!! by DarthScotland	Sep 17th, 2007 03:44:39 PM
This is far more exciting news than any of the new TV shows coming up. Can anyone point me in the direction of UK store to buy the Buffy 8 comics? Or a torrent perhaps?
Did you know the devil built a robot? by Uncle Stan	Sep 17th, 2007 03:45:59 PM
Robotico el Diablo!
Sorry DarthScotland... by tonagan	Sep 17th, 2007 03:50:31 PM
I think the comics are region encoded.
Angel Riding the Dragon + LA in Hell = by turketron	Sep 17th, 2007 04:17:20 PM
PWNERSHIP. As a huge Angel fan, this is the first comic in a very long time I am interested in. This is awesome. APOCALYPSE RIGHT F'N NOWISH!
it's the werewolf hottie that angel was dating by Mr_X	Sep 17th, 2007 04:17:42 PM
i'd tap that furry ass
Oh yea LA in Hell reminds me... by turketron	Sep 17th, 2007 04:20:35 PM
LA in Hell reminds me of Ghostbusters when the Containment Unit exploded! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!!!
Richard Cranium's got it by John Winchester	Sep 17th, 2007 04:32:05 PM
He hit the nail on the head
RE: TV series can NOT continue in other media by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 04:41:27 PM
So I guess Firefly definitely didn't continue as a movie, with a comic cook in between to bridge the continuity. (And you know, its not as if Star Trek, Star Wars, X-Files, etc, continued in other medias.)
They made Firefly into a movie? by tonagan	Sep 17th, 2007 04:59:00 PM
Whose bright idea was that?
The girl by The Cine-eater	Sep 17th, 2007 07:22:57 PM
The girl it started with was Darla and Wolfram and Hart did indeed try to kill her!
For Christ's sake, the girl was Fred. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 07:30:44 PM
Brian Lynch confirmed it earlier today over at Whedonesque. Go check it out for yourself if you don't believe it.
The girl in question by XAOS	Sep 17th, 2007 07:40:02 PM
Umm, the first line spoken in the series is a VO: "Los Angeles. You see it at night and it shines. Like a beacon. People are drawn to it. People and other things. They come for all sorts of reasons. My reason? No surprise there. It started with a girl." The girl is Buffy; anything else would be just plain goofy.
Xaos by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 07:47:41 PM
Uh, no. I understand what you're saying, but... The girl is Fred. She died because Angel brought the gang over to Wolfram and Hart, and Angel decided her death wouldn't be in vain. The author of the comic responded to the confusion and said so this morning in the thread for this article at Whedonesque.com.
Bring back Wes by chavee	Sep 17th, 2007 08:11:57 PM
Lesser characters have been resurrected in the Buffyverse. I'm sure Illyria can whip up some ancient mojo to bring Wes back.
Stop. Just fucking stop. by xannibal	Sep 17th, 2007 08:20:25 PM
I'm sick of you guys calling a comic book a continuation of a television series. It's OVER for Buffy and Angel. Get. Over. It. It's not the same.
xannibal by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 08:27:12 PM
Its sad to think that something somebody else does, that has no effect on you, affects you so much. It seems it may be somebody else that needs to "get over" some issues.
DocBosch by xannibal	Sep 17th, 2007 08:31:05 PM
This is your EIGTH post in this thread, and I've got a problem? No. This is an intervention. Please move along...
xannibal by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 08:37:45 PM
They're written/overseen by the people who did the shows, so... Yes. They ARE continuations of the TV series. Sure it's not exactly the same, since yeah, they're being told in comics form this time. But the point is that they are indeed continuations of the stories by the original creators. And in the case of After the Fall, the comics are following the storylines the creators would have pursued if the show hadn't been canceled. But why does it matter to you? Since you don't seem to be a fan, it's interesting that you care so much. You don't have to read them.
I have an interest in this thread. by DocBosch	Sep 17th, 2007 08:46:46 PM
So i post in it. You don't, yet you post in it. In fact, you seem to get bothered by it. I never said you had a problem, just that your behavior is sad. Not to say that calling a comic book a "season" isn't sad, or posting 9 times in a TalkBack isn't sad, but it's a lot more sad that you have such a personal interest in what other people do.
That Dragon Riding Would Have Looked Really Bad by Queefer Bukkake	Sep 17th, 2007 08:58:55 PM
in the series. No way they had the budget for that. But I'm not impressed by these comics. The art in them is passable, but the storytelling (not the story, but the flow of the art) really sucks in these books. I tell you this as a comic book artist. Though the last two pages look better. The artist seems overwhelmed with the action in the first 3 pages, and the inker goes way too heavy in the smaller panels. It looks sloppy. I just don't feel compelled to read these.
Yeah, my biggest issue with the comics is the art. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 17th, 2007 09:08:00 PM
Georges Jeanty's work reminds me of the Power Rangers comics from the mid 90s. Awful. The guy doesn't have any eye for detail.
Is that Albie... by paulrichard	Sep 17th, 2007 09:47:56 PM
...the rascist dragon?
The Art by Fernwick_	Sep 17th, 2007 11:46:43 PM
Is an issue for me as well. But Im still going to buy and read them since its Canon. They should have gotten the artist who did Fray. That would have been MUCH better.
they should have gotten the guy who did 2002 "Angel" by howlermonkey	Sep 17th, 2007 11:48:04 PM
where he was beating the hell out of giant monsters and shit. the art in that miniseries was awesome. it was just the right bit of cartoon/reality, and the artist paid a lot of attention to detail.
1FearlessJay, I wasn't aiming at you, dude! by captboulder	Sep 18th, 2007 12:57:31 AM
I was generally speaking about the whine that coupling some who can't seems to handle that AtS is continuing in comic form!
Yeah the artist name was Mel Rubi by Neo Zeed	Sep 18th, 2007 01:07:57 AM
He did the 2002 Angel comic from Dark Horse. He was awesome and really would've liked to see him tackle this. Angel deserves no less than the best.
Albie the racist dragon! by tonagan	Sep 18th, 2007 05:18:36 AM
Nice Flight of the Conchords reference, paulrichard.
DocBosch / Ye Olde Gravy Leg by xannibal	Sep 18th, 2007 11:52:37 AM
Without the original actors participating, without their expertise with the characters, this is all really nothing more than fan fiction.
xannibal by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 18th, 2007 12:13:57 PM
Stop trolling, dude. For me personally, the main attraction of these shows was the creative forces behind them. I like good writing. And to call it fan fiction is just stupid. It's not written by fans, it's written by the people who made the shows good in the first place. I loved the actors back in the day, but without those writers they would have had nothing to work with. For the people who read these comics, it's about seeing these creators writing these stories and these characters again. That's all. You don't have to like it, or read it, but you don't have to be a cunt about it either.
Must agree with xannibal by KanekoFan	Sep 18th, 2007 12:15:35 PM
Moving pictures are a collaborative medium by nature, and series television in particular relies on its actors to maintain the emotional tone of the material and keep the audience invested. Comics derived from TV series, even in the hands of the original writers, are only coming from one half of the core.
Yes, comics are not TV. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 18th, 2007 12:24:53 PM
I love the comics medium and I love Joss Whedon's creations. So while I might not think they're the absolute best thing ever, I'm still pleased to read these comics. They're far from mediocre. And Buffy was so heavily inspired by comics to begin with, that I find it works pretty well in either medium.
Absolutely, Ye Olde Gravy Leg by KanekoFan	Sep 18th, 2007 12:45:02 PM
I'm not suggesting that the comics suck, or ought not to be produced. But I can understand people taking the stance that, in the absence of key members of the creative team behind the material (in this case the actors), the canonicity of material added at a later date to an existing work is somewhat dubious.
different strokes... by Lt. Kaffee	Sep 18th, 2007 01:06:20 PM
personally, i used to dig buffy and angel as tv shows but have no interest in reading the comics. it doesn't feel the same and even reading those pages above made it very obvious that the comics werent for me. HOWEVER, i think those on my camp should extend a little politeness and let people enjoy what they enjoy in peace.
Right on, Kaneko and Kaffee. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 18th, 2007 01:31:15 PM
I feel you guys.
Actually, I think those against the comic simply... by captboulder	Sep 18th, 2007 01:56:14 PM
can't read or have a ADD! LOL BTW, I'm gonna play the opening theme before I read the first issue...just to get me in the mood! Fuck, I'm a geek!
Captboulder-your not the only one by angeliclestat	Sep 18th, 2007 02:03:01 PM
I planned on doing that myself:) Angel-nerds unite:)
exactly by angeliclestat	Sep 18th, 2007 02:05:42 PM
Lt. Kaffee:HOWEVER, i think those on my camp should extend a little politeness and let people enjoy what they enjoy in peace. Thank you very much! Couldnt agree more - us Angel fans are glad to get the character back, and nothing is gonna dampen that!
xannibal by DocBosch	Sep 18th, 2007 04:29:41 PM
"Without the original actors participating, without their expertise with the characters, this is all really nothing more than fan fiction." See, I have no problem with you feeling that way. My issue was with how bothered you personally were because people choose to feel differently. I'm no big fan of comics. I usually don't consider comics or novels(or cartoons) written adjacent to a property actual canon, mainly because the creators don't consider them canon; it is like proffesional fan-fiction. That said, I don't see this comic and the continuing Buffy comics as "fan fiction" because the people who decide what is part of real story have said that this is part of the real story. Sure, I'd perfer tv episodes or movies, but short of that I'd be happy with Whedon coming over my house an putting on a shadow puppet show telling me what season 6 of Angel was supposed to be like, and I'd consider it canon. Look at it this way, if they ever make anymore Buffyverse shows or movies, they will most likly be based on or include what is happening in these "season" comics. My question to you is, with such devotion to the actors, what if any of these shows (Buffy, Angel) had been continued but without the original writers/creator? Would you not consider that canon since half the creative team is missing?
Okay by xannibal	Sep 18th, 2007 05:51:52 PM
Point taken. I guess I was just so emotionally involved in both Angel and Buffy - and the characters in particular (Did anyone EVER think that Buffy's Wesley Windam Price could not only kick ass, but make me SYMPATHIZE with him because he was drawn to a killer?) - that I just can't buy in to Angelverse going on without them. Wow. Just talking about it makes me realize how much I miss the show...
Let it out, let it out... by KanekoFan	Sep 18th, 2007 07:18:49 PM
Don't worry, xannibal. A lot of us still feel a pang when we look back on those golden days.
I feel your pain, xannibal. by Ye Olde Gravy Leg	Sep 18th, 2007 07:25:40 PM
You're not alone!
Hahahaa by DocBosch	Sep 18th, 2007 10:00:11 PM
It's funny how we're all pretty much coming from the same place, just from different sides. These shows managed to suck me in so much, especially Angel, it's hard to know there's an official continuation to the story somewhere out there and not find out what it is. I guess I'm generally more story centric; though I loved the characters, I attributed it more to the writing then the acting. But I think we can ALL agree that we'd rather this be an ACTUAL 6th season of Angel (and 8th season of Buffy) or a TV or theatrical movie. But even if you don't like comics, you can't be upset at the existence of a visual medium that shows what would've happened...
Bless You All by Queefer Bukkake	Sep 18th, 2007 10:07:53 PM
While I can't get interested in these comics, I own Buffy, Angel and Firefly on DVD. I've gotten quite a few ideas from them all when drawing my own comics. I miss Whedon TV.
captboulder - awesome idea (playin the music) by turketron	Sep 19th, 2007 10:14:06 AM
But you have to play the theme AFTER first reading a page or two.... or maybe after the pages above! Make it just like the show, intro after dramatic reveal!
see, I knew it by oisin5199	Sep 19th, 2007 11:41:28 AM
I'm sure most of the trollers here are closet Buffy/Angel fans who are still trying to recover from the shows being yanked from their life and are angry at what they see as a poor substitute. It's okay. We're here for you. And so is Joss.
re: pussy's way out by hgenti	Dec 9th, 2007 03:49:13 AM
to lionsfan who wrote: "my problem with it is that it is the pussys way out for joss. If he doesn't have the time/energy/desire to continue the story, then do NOT continue it. Don't try to tell me to read the book, or comic book or video game to get the rest of the story. Is that how we want this seasons eps of lost,heroes to manifest themselves? You're buying into the hype of a 2nd rate attempt at something I'm assuming we all loved. Boo hoo" you're a dumbass who should learn to keep your mouth shut about things you clearly don't know about. it wasn't joss's idea to cancel buffy and angel, then make a bunch of comics. buffy was canceled because sarah michelle gellar didn't want to sign on for an 8th season. angel was canceled abruptly and unexpectedly by the WB. buffy couldn't continue w/o smg, and joss tried to get angel on another network, but failed (somehow, and yet networks continue to spew out the garbage that's been on the air for the past 4-5 years). he didn't take the pussy's way out. he had a story and had no other way of finishing it.

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