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WHO Spinoff TORCHWOOD
Comes To BBC America!!

laziness or indifference by FlowCytometer	Sep 8th, 2007 02:15:28 AM
I never got around to "finding" these episodes soon after they were aired, unlike Who and earlier BSG. Nor sure if that is a sign of laziness or lack of interest, even though I really want to watch them now.
US Media actually humping a Who show? by Darth Waldo	Sep 8th, 2007 02:17:05 AM
Someone must be blunted out of their mind to compare Harkness to a Tom Cruise.
question by redshirt	Sep 8th, 2007 02:19:13 AM
Is this show ok to watch with my kids? From what I've read, i'm not so sure. A bit adult in nature?
Some serious flaws by Wyrdy the Gerbil	Sep 8th, 2007 02:34:54 AM
Theres potential in Torchwood but the series isn`t anywhere near perfect,the gay references and sex sometimes overpowers the SF and the Captain Jack in Torchwood is nowhere near as fun and sharp as in Dr Who,maybe its just me though as i live in Cardiff and the sight of the Torchwood crew walking past places i use every day was a bit off puting(though fun as hell at times)
fucking piece of worthless shit by punto	Sep 8th, 2007 02:46:30 AM
and it looks like I have to watch the rest of season 1 if just so I can understand what's going on when martha shows up. bastards.
Redshirt...No by TheBladehelm	Sep 8th, 2007 02:55:28 AM
It's not child appropriate. Not every episode is bad, but many have as much emphasis on sex as an episode of Sex and the City.
Redshirt....Don't let kids near it! by Gabba-UK	Sep 8th, 2007 03:03:16 AM
Unless your very liberal about what your kids watch. It is a much more adult show i.e. lots of sex and innuendo (straight, gay and bi) , lashings of swearing (its a rare episode when fuck isn't said at least twice) and lots of often gory violence ( the cannibal episode is a particular stand out in terms of gore). And on the downside there isn't nearly enough of all the above! We make some of the finest cheese's in the world in the UK and this is one of them. Pure brain in neutral Saturday night entertainment. The lead actress who's name escapes me at the moment is, despite the small gap in her front teeth, just sexy as hell. One of those kind of women who you just know would fuck you senseless. And John Barrowman is great as Capt. Jack. In fact all the cast is great. If you get a chance see it in Hi def, its Planet Earth standard quality like all the BBC's hi def output.
Thank you RTD for resurrecting Dr. Who... by Chriss	Sep 8th, 2007 03:06:54 AM
... you may step down now as your services are no longer needed.
What the hell are the critics on about? by Alonzo Mosely	Sep 8th, 2007 03:10:08 AM
At least 75% of the series is cringeworthy, and not in a good 'Office' way, but in a 'oh my god they let 16 year olds write a TV show' way. There are a couple of episodes that strive to reach the giddy heights of mediocrity, and it does get better as it goes (but that is still relative), but I am frankly amazed the American TV critics are being so open to it... 'The genius... of letting us see it through the eyes of a disbelieving cop'... Um, erm, did these critics watch the X-Files, wouldn't that be exactly how it approached the same thing... Trust me, I am a fan of the new Who (with some reservations), but Torchwood is only for those who are desperate for anything sci-fi...
The problem... by Chriss	Sep 8th, 2007 03:17:46 AM
... is that the show seems to be written for gay 12 year old boys. Although there is plenty of adult content (the first episode of the alien that kills people while having intercourse for instance) and it attempts to deal with adult relationships, it ends up falling flat. I think it wants to be BSG or LOST, but the writing and stories just aren't there. The homosexuality is too much of a turnoff. Plus the actions of some of the characters just aren't believable. In Cyberwoman, that guy should have been fired and sent to prison for what he did (harboring his cyber-girlfriend in the basement). But they make up and it's back to normal next week. WTF? The show is a miss overall. You won't be missing much.
Angel Season 1 by fgrt	Sep 8th, 2007 03:36:42 AM
It's like Angel season 1 where the show is just a dark version of the original. In fact, the premise is a lot like Angel (immortal guy runs a team that investigates the supernatural). There are a lot of similarities in the execution as well. You can tell that the writers haven't figured out the show yet. There are a lot of stand-alone episodes. The characters (other than Jack) are uniterresting and annoying. A lot of time you find yourself wishing you were watching the original. But there's a lot of promise and you just know that, like Angel, season 2 and beyond is going to kick ass.
I'd like to apologise to every American.... by 2LeggedFreak	Sep 8th, 2007 04:50:03 AM
,,,for foisting this underdeveloped, simplistic, unlovable, unbelievable pile of shite on you. You can compare it to Angel if you despised every single character in Angel including the lead. We were promised a more mature story line with Torchwood than in Dr Who but unfortunately this is translated by the writers as smut and more smut not intelligent writing. A goddawful mess that people have been too kind to.
Torchwood was dire rubbish by watashi-wa	Sep 8th, 2007 05:21:08 AM
however, there was one very good episode. Ironically, the episode featured no aliens (aside from Cpt Jack) whatsoever, but was about mysterious goings-on in a rural village. It was tense, well-scripted and perfectly paced. It's just a pity the rest of the series was ADD-level adolescent shit. It's X-Files written by horny bisexual teenagers. But worse.
gore, sex, queers and swear words? by Zardoz	Sep 8th, 2007 05:30:52 AM
man, I am SO there! (heh!)
Avoid the Alien Eye episode... by Riviera	Sep 8th, 2007 05:56:44 AM
...like the plague! Quite simply put, THE worst hour of TV I've ever seen in my life. For some reason known only to the Torchwood writers, they decided to play the whole episode from the perspective of a new (dead) character no-one (including the audience) gives two tugs of a dead dog's cock about. Utter, utter shit. The episode where the WW2 plane comes through the rift was also pointless, because absolutely nothing happens, at all, during the episode. Torchwood is occasionally entertaining - the rural viallage ep mentioned above is the highlight - but overall I found the series disappointing. Plus, rather oddly, -every- character has a same-sex relationship at some point in the series. We get it RTD, it's okay to be gay! Don't shove it down our throats (no pun intended!).
If being bisexual is "novel" for you yanks by V'Shael	Sep 8th, 2007 05:57:52 AM
then maybe you'll like this. If you like seeing some fucking ugly looking freaks getting laid, this might also appeal. Anyone who's a fan of intelligent SF will be disgusted, and not from all the gay agenda stuff shoe-horned in.
Curious to see what this has to offer by Yeti	Sep 8th, 2007 06:23:19 AM
Enlightened comments from some talkbackers notwithstanding.
Torchwood isnt bad by palewook	Sep 8th, 2007 07:03:24 AM
Its just not written at the level of Who. In time (season 2) they might find better footing for the series and develop into a solid show, its also possible the show will continue to be fluff. This show is like crashing the story lines of XFiles into the group dynamics of Buffy with a touch of Who sprinkled on the scene. Who knows if it works longterm, for now its hit or miss. Yet, fun at times.
Can Sci-Fi pick up "Primeval"? by KazamaSmokers	Sep 8th, 2007 08:05:44 AM
That's supposed to be alot of fun as well.
Think I'll Stick With Robin Hood by Manos	Sep 8th, 2007 08:23:16 AM
Its light fun that doesn't take itself too seriously.
Absolutely dire by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 8th, 2007 08:53:51 AM
Torchwood is dreadful. Absolutely horrible. Misconceived, miscasted, badly written, horribly produced, inane nonsense. It's supposed to be 'adult' but is infinitely more childish than Who, in fact it's basically Scooby Doo with some lame sex scenes and 'risque' dialogue. A total abomination. Chriss is spot on, time for RTD to pack up and go.
Worst major TV series in living memory. by rosasaks	Sep 8th, 2007 09:05:43 AM

Boring show by mistergreen	Sep 8th, 2007 09:34:35 AM
I saw a few episodes.
yes, it really is that bad. by Amy Chasing	Sep 8th, 2007 09:38:24 AM
it might have been a good show to watch while drunk, but there are better shows to watch drunk. Let's put it this way, the new Flash Gordon is more coherent. Some may say Torchwood is fun, but competing against shows like the new Doctor Who, maybe Californication, heck even Hyperdrive, Torchwood doesn't rate a mention. Perhaps if it was done like Sanctuary (ie. a sci-fi web series) it would come across better, but as a proper TV series it leaves too much to be desired. No matter how good looking the leads are!
My, what a schizophrenic talkback! by Mockingbird Girl	Sep 8th, 2007 09:51:11 AM
TORCHWOOD is neither fantastic nor dire, it's just... incredibly uneven! A couple of brilliant episodes, and couple of shite episodes, and the vast majority somewhere in the middle. Here's hoping for a more consistent tone in the second season.
How edited is the US version? by ZeroCorpse	Sep 8th, 2007 09:56:24 AM
I love the UK version. Don't let the homophobes scare you away-- It's a good show that just happens to star a bisexual lead character, and the homophobes all decided they hated the show when there were a whole THREE man-on-man kisses (just kissing, by the way) in one season. They're completely within character, and there's plenty of girl-on-girl snogging, too, but they people who hate Torchwood all seem to base their hatred on the fact that it's RTD, and it's got some gay and bisexual characters mixed in with straight ones. I guess all the queers should stay on Will & Grace or The L Word in their point of view. I like Torchwood. It's worth watching if BBC America doesn't chop it all up and edit out the swearing and naughty bits. But then, you could always wait a little bit and watch in HD on HDNET, too.
I liked every episode. by Dataset	Sep 8th, 2007 10:23:30 AM
The smear campaign comes from homophobes and puritans who want their scifi white and straight and not out of the ordinary. They want to have their bigoted "values" upheld while they watch stories that are full of allegory AGAINST those very same narrow-minded "values". Scifi is full of these allegorys from Serling to Roddenberry to Gibson to Dick. But when a show actually LEARNS from those stories and uses characters that are ga-bi-poly sexual, the puritan "values" of hate bubble through the "progressive" minds of "modern" scifi fans. All those years of allegory are lost, like they never happened. Did you learn nothing from the creators of great scifi? The Beeb isn't run by the same mindset that US tv is. They don't fear the puritan backlash. One wonders if Willow Rosenberg had come out as a lesbian in season one, would anyone today remember Buffy?
I gather... by 11dayempire	Sep 8th, 2007 10:24:26 AM
...that production on the first series was a bit rushed, and the original showrunner quit at a late stage in proceedings. Apparently they've ironed out a lot of the inconsistencies in tone for season two (and hopefully sorted out the really ropey scripts like Cyberwoman...).
I like Torchwood... by Hairy Nutsack	Sep 8th, 2007 11:31:13 AM
Jesus people, it is possible to not be a homophobe and to not like this show. I'm sure there are some homophobes who hate this show just because the show wears a rainbow flag proudly on its sleeve, but there are also some very pro-gay voices touting this show as the TV equivalent of Citizen Kane. Both sides need to STFU. My opinion is that the show is about 65% good and about 35% shit. There is much to like here, and there's more than a few fantastic episodes and moments thrown into the mix.
Haters = Homophobes ? by gruntman	Sep 8th, 2007 11:37:08 AM
Man, this must be the stupidest argument made for the show, ever ! The problem with Torchwood has nothing to do with the gay stuff, quite frankly. It only has to do with awful writers (Chris Chibnall, my new nemesis) that can seem to have an once of originality. When nearly 50% of season 1's screenplays are direct rehashes of Outer Limits (the lesbian alien = that Alyssa Milano episode), Whedon stuff (Earshot), movies (The Fight Club one) or Trek plot (that ep with the plane from the past), you know there's a problem. And when the other 40% are nothing more than riffs on Who's good episodes (the Cyberwoman, awful design, or the season finale, where they recycle Satan's Pit), you really have a problem. Honestly, I doubt that most people hating Torchwood have a problem with the sexual content of the show. First, most of the "haters" loved Cpt Jack in Who, when he was even more gay & flamboyant. Except Torchwood's Jack has nearly nothing to do with Who's Jack. In Torchwood, he's depressed, angry, and absolutely no fun. Just like the reste of the cast. And indeed, it really seems like 14yolds wrote every single episode. It's never adult enough to be interesting (even the sex scenes aren't sexy - don't expect any naughty bits on screen), and most of the time, the only good moments are when Davies' influence shines through the crap that is the show. Suddenly, you'll have a great idea, a well-cast ennemy, or a well-written character developpment. And I must say, when the final scene of the season finale came, i could only agree wholeheartedly with what Jack does without even hesitating. Those who have seen it will understand...
I Bittorrented this last year... by OBSD	Sep 8th, 2007 11:44:09 AM
Bleh. It wants to be Angel on Spanish fly. But the writing is (mostly) below sub-par, and any mysteries are NEVER answered. It doesn't help that the Davies decided to take a swashbuckling character like Captain Jack and turn him into a brooding Angel wannabe. Also, just because everybody is fucking each other, doesn't mean it's an "adult" show if the writing and plots are still juvenile.
Data, I agree with gruntman. by OBSD	Sep 8th, 2007 11:54:36 AM
Captain Jack was a better character when he was more flamboyant. So the "homophobic" bullshit doesn't fly with me, Shirley. Torchwood being shit had nothing to do with homosexuality, it had to do with the fact that the writing was rubbish and the plots were cliche and pedestrian, at best (except for Random Shoes)
I enjoyed the show, overall by Strabo	Sep 8th, 2007 12:09:50 PM
It's not as black-and-white as some posters above mention. There are some good episodes, and some bad episodes. The poster above who says the episode with the plane coming through the rift is pointless is a friggin' moron. It's a character episode. Much happens, if you have half a brain to notice it. Anyway, if you're a homophobe, yeah, you won't like the series. Otherwise, like most other shows in their first year, the series is kind of rocky, but it definitely has some great moments. Oh yeah, this would be a perfect time to comment on the fact that in Amurkan society, it is perfectly reasonable to show violence to children, but sex is somehow verboten. Stupid Amurkan mores.
Torchwood's Jack vs. Who's Jack by Strabo	Sep 8th, 2007 12:17:35 PM
It's been explained where the transformation here came from. Jack, if you've seen Utopia from Who Season Three, went back in time after The Parting of the Ways to wait around for The Doctor to bring Rose home. He overshot his destination, and ended up going back to the early 1900s. Jack had to live through over a century of human history while waiting for The Doctor to show up again to explain his post resurrection immortality. This would tend to piss me off too, I would think. Especially the part about learning how to live without air conditioning. Now that Jack has caught up to The Doctor again and gotten his answers, and the friendship and approval he was seeking, he should be back to Season One Doctor Who Jack.
HDNET by INWOsuxRED	Sep 8th, 2007 12:23:20 PM
just a reminder that HDNET will also be playing this show.
Homophobe? No, a Poorlywrittenshowaphobe... by Alonzo Mosely	Sep 8th, 2007 12:43:55 PM
You know I am not fond of Jeffrey Dahmer, it is probably because I am a homophobe, right? If this show had had one original, intelligent, well paced, solidly acted, interesting, coherent and suspenseful episode, they could have finished it of with a 5 minute multi-ethnicity circle jerk and I would have given it a decent rating. Trust me I want intelligent adult sci-fi... This is a horrible show. The highlight is the village episode as people have pointed out, and it is far from great, but it is the least like all the other episodes (managing to get a 70s British horror vibe), which tells you all you need to know...
Torchwood is SHIT! said this a year ago... by spud mcspud	Sep 8th, 2007 01:21:42 PM
It is utter shite, and that's not anything to do with it being gay. I think it might be possible to write a perfectly good gay sci-fi show... but this ain't it. Badly written episodes. Wildly different takes on the same characters WITHIN THE SAME EPISODE! The height of sexual sophistication in this show being Owen (barrow-boy Cockney resembling an ageing wide-mouthed frog) saying "fuckbuddy". A lot. Childish ideas like the alien that needs to fuck everything around it (never heard THAT in Viz magazine before. Oh, wait...) The best episodes, as with Doctor Who, are the ones that RTD had nothing to do with. That fantastic ep with the people dying with mouths full of flowers? Written by P J Hammond, who wrote SAPPHIRE & STEEL back in the late '70s. The one with the 1950s plane coming through to the 21st century? Written by Catherine Tregenna, a relatively new writer, previously known for British soaps. Let's face it: as good as RTD must be in a meeting room at the Beeb, telling execs why they should resurrect Who, he's a lousy writer of sci-fi. Everything was going well until the end of season 1, when logic, reason, and all trace of good writing goes out the window. Then he gets TORCHWOOD off the ground, gets a chance to do an adult Who spin-off, and we get... Horny polysexuals shagging and swearing. A lot. If sci-fi pitched at the level of SPECIES - only without the searing character insights and multi-layered narrative - floats your boat, you're welcome to TORCHWOOD. Most of us think it was unforgiveable shit. Chriss: couldn't have said it better myself.
While I said earlier.. by Gabba-UK	Sep 8th, 2007 01:50:14 PM
that I liked the show and that Eve Myles (looked up her name) struck me as the sort of woman that would show you what great sex really was, I will agree with what some have said is that is was a bit of a hit and miss affair. However, it was more hit than miss. The BBC being the great institution it is doesn't very often 'dump' programmes purely for poor or lower than expected ratings unlike the American networks. Can I take this opportunity by the way to berate the idiots, dickheads and wankers that chose to cancel what may very well have been the finest drama series your country has produced since the The West Wing. Were half way through the one season of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip that was made and I'm telling you right now if it was made in the UK it would be showered in BAFTA's and other awards. You utter pricks!!!!!! Back to Torchwood, I'm sure that the second season will be much better now that the writers and the cast (now including the lovely Freema Ageyman as Martha Jones from Dr. Who) have a better understanding of the show. After all, didn't the first season of Star Trek:TNG suck compared to what followed?
Gabba UK by spud mcspud	Sep 8th, 2007 02:32:01 PM
Hope you're right about TORCHWOOD. There's the basis for a really interesting sci-fi drama there, if they can give Captain Jack a proper personality (or preferably do away with him altogether). Get away from the sex - "adult" doesn't always mean "sex, swearing, smoking" on TV. Get into decent sci-fi storytelling. Mess with convention. Hire decent writers - stop RTD writing! And have some idea of what's going on - I mean, if TORCHWOOD is so secret even the British government don't know it exists, how come the pizza guy does? No-one notices a pterodactyl flying round the place? Don't any people ever notice strange things happening in and around Torchwood Tower? And would the best scientific minds in the country (aren't they meant to be the best scientists in the UK?) ignore all this cool alien tech and weird goings-on just to spend all their time fucking each other, constantly? Right now, TORCHWOOD is exactly what this thread is saying it is: a 16 year old gay sci-fi fan's wet dream. If that's who it's aimed at, congrats: it works. But it could be so much better. Agree with you on STUDIO 60 - it was just getting good! And don't get me started on GLOBAL FREQUENCY's pilot episode: the best sci-fi show you'll never see. If WB had picked that up, it would have been bigger than the X-FILES. Now THAT was a great sci-fi show for adults...
the pilot episode is decent... by lynxpro	Sep 8th, 2007 04:14:34 PM
I thought I'd throw that into the conversation mix. Still does not compare to any of the Moffat or Cornell episodes of NewWho. And it will remind you of how much you miss (new) Angel not being on television.
Fiester by Kamikaze Skeleton	Sep 8th, 2007 04:20:20 PM
You are wrong, it's not more entertaiing than most of the shit on TV these days.
alonzo- by samsquanch	Sep 8th, 2007 04:48:02 PM
the first line of your post makes you sound like a homophobe.
reviewers are really really high on something by jccalhoun	Sep 8th, 2007 06:22:08 PM
Torchwood is really really bad. What makes it bad has nothing to do with the sex and everything to do with the fact that the stories and characters are horrible. The best episode of the series is actually the one about Captain Jack meeting the real Captain Jack and making out. the whole series is full of unlikable people who sit around and moan about how hard it is to know about aliens and not be able to tell anyone or have personal lives. And then they sit around for the last five minutes of every episode telling you how hard their jobs are and how they don't have any personal lives. boo hoo. From the looks of things the show is getting a bit of a retool and maybe it will have some characters that are likable and not whiners and the writers won't spend so much time telling us how serious this stuff is. Still, I would rather watch it than Flash Gordon...
I like the show by samsquanch	Sep 8th, 2007 06:56:56 PM
but FUCK are those welsh accents hard to understand.
Torchwood is a lot weaker than DW... by AnnoyYou	Sep 8th, 2007 07:21:30 PM
...mostly because Davies and co. couldn't agree on which direction to take it. There was far too much angst involving the less interesting characters (Ianto, Tosh) and the totally unattractive characters (for the life of me I can't understand why the producers think the frog-like Burn Gorman is such a hot piece, especially when John Barrowman is onscreen). Still, there was promise, and I hope next season will shake out the weird atmosphere of the first.
shit by aestheticity	Sep 8th, 2007 07:36:28 PM
i remember my jaw dropping during the early episode with the mist thing that takes people over, with all the graphic sex in toilets. make that stuff if you want, but why associate it with dr who, a campy half comedy scifi. the product of a perverted mind. was disappointed to hear it might make a second series. finest candidate for cancellation ive seen in years.
Blahhhh! by skydemon	Sep 8th, 2007 07:47:52 PM
This doesn't sound the least bit interesting to me at all. Over sexed, swearing, perverted. ???? Hey how bout some damn good writing, you know, the stuff that makes Sci Fi worth valuable time in the first place. Sounds like the key ingredient is missing here. This is just another piece of trash television that won't be watched in my house.
Enough With UK Teeth!!!!! by Deandome	Sep 8th, 2007 08:55:51 PM
Show was fine, except for the lead chicks freakishly hideous teeth! Snaggly, yellow, crooked...EEEEWWWWW!!! I can KIND of understand keeping one's uglies if you're a singer (Amy Winehouse)...you don't wanna fuck w/your mouth. But isn't it an actor's/actress' DUTY to correct major facial deformaties when you get to "the majors"? Fuck the fake titties & lip plumping. And what is WITH the UK dental health system? Aren't you all tired of being a repulsive stereotype? How are we ever gonna get a decent healthcare plan when the naysayers can always point to your grim yellow mugs & say "look what happens to the standard of care when the govt. runs the show!!". My god...how can this be continuing after all these years?
I fast-forwarded through the man-on-man stuff . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Sep 8th, 2007 09:01:29 PM
and did slo-mo on the girl on girl stuff. So, in the end, it all evened out.
errrrr... by gruntman	Sep 8th, 2007 09:02:28 PM
Graphic sex !? Where in the blue hell is there any kind of graphic sex in Torchwood, honestly ? The most graphic action you'll see in the show a kiss... yes, it may be a lesbian or a gay kiss, but it's still far from graphic sex. Anyway, as some said, the characters are indeed one of the main problems of the show, directly due to the writing. Indeed, they're all unlikable, even Gwen, who towards the end of the show commits acts that instantly make you hate her, even though she's still supposed to be the main anchor point, alongside Jack, for the viewer. And indeed also, all characters whine and swear and moan and act like cowards, without ever having any redeemable quality (jack excepted). But i guess season 2 will be much lighter, not only cos Jack got his mojo back in Who, but also because Martha Jones will be a regular. And we already know that she won't be involved in any kind of sexy scene, so she'll have to be in lighter scenes. (That said, i'm scared of the James Marsters appearance in TW, and especially of his "horny and violent sexual encounter with Captain Jack"... not sure i really want to see that... :p)
OK by NudeandAroused	Sep 8th, 2007 09:52:33 PM
Decent show until the last 10 minutes.
I'm gay and .... it's unwatchable by BeatsMe	Sep 8th, 2007 09:56:19 PM
It's boring, poorly scripted, with no characters to care about. And Barrowman got puffy somewhere along the line.
Wait, wait, wait, by buffywrestling	Sep 8th, 2007 10:01:29 PM
James Marsters has a horny and violent sexual encounter? With a guy? Who's not Angel???
BBC should be ashamed by AdmiralNeck	Sep 9th, 2007 12:01:14 AM
The US should sue the BBC for foisting this inept tripe on them. Quite the worst TV show I've seen this year and last year. Much kudos to spud mcspud for pointing out that the only vaguely good episode was by PJ Hammond (recently watched an episode of Sapphire and Steel and it left this shite in the dust). Even more kudos to gruntman for bringing up the inexplicably continuing career of Chris Chibnall, a desperately untalented hack responsible for Born and Bred, which could have been written by a script computer and still have been less manipulative and emotionally false. IMO, Countrycide, the cannibal episode, was the worst of the lot. It was certainly the most derivative, ripping off Hills Have Eyes, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Seven, Terminator 2, and many others. Watching adults run around playing with guns like 5 year olds and saying rude words is not my idea of a good time. Let the damn thing rot and hopefully they'll stop after 2 season. How could they do this to Freema Agyeman? Shedeserves better treatment than to be stuck with this bunch of cretinous wankers.
OK, samsquanch, I'll bite... by Alonzo Mosely	Sep 9th, 2007 01:54:13 AM
Explain to me how I am a homophobe... Because of my extreme example with Dahmer? That is the fucking point, nobody would hate Dahmer because he was gay, they would hate him because he fucking ate people. And if in fact your point is I am a homophobe because I assume a man who has sex with boys before he eats them is gay, then, well strike me as guilty. The point is, in real simple terms, I hated Torchwood not because of its 'gayness' (it actually isn't particularly, it is just fake 'cool' sexuality of all sorts) but because it is terrible. Have you ever seen Mysterious Skin? That is a movie I loved, thought it was excellent, and that deals with gayness in a far more raw, real and explicit way than Torchwood could ever imagine. By the way, I hated Homeboys from Outer Space, so you'd better mark me down as racist as well...
I believe you by samsquanch	Sep 9th, 2007 02:47:34 AM
it was just a fucking hateful and disgusting way to make the point.
well, I guess I'm a moron... by Zardoz	Sep 9th, 2007 05:13:14 AM
...because I liked the pilot episode. I thought it was a good set-up, and I like the Capt. Jack character. I especially liked him on Dr. Who, and I'm happy to see his character continue here. (and no, I'm not gay, not that there's anything wrong with that!) I like the immortality bit, which is especially interesting if you know the backstory that he refers to from Dr. Who. (Thanks, Rose!) I have to agree about the Brit TV actresses: bad teeth and "big bums". (I like the latter bit for the most part, though!) I'm not saying it's a perfect show, but it's a good start and maybe it'll get better as time goes on... (oh, and does Jack's amnesia from Who season one get explained? I know there's another arc with Jack coming up in Who season 3 coming up soon, but does it deal with that at all?)
Homophobe by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 9th, 2007 05:15:45 AM
Hilarious. The only avenue of defence from people who like this show is to accuse people who don't like it of homophobia. I'm sure my gay mates will be surprised to find out I really hate them all. Funnily enough they hate Torchwood too, on the basis that it is ridiculous shite.
Torchwood is shite. by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 9th, 2007 06:09:55 AM
Captain Jack is not. When he's on Doctor Who his character is an omnisexual immortal and the resultant stories and character moments are fantastic. But Torchwood is dire. Great concept, poor execution. It became an excuse for a snog of the week show rather than a monster of the week show. Hopefully the second season will be watchable, and by that I mean hopefully it will have engaging characters in compelling situations. A bit of stakes raising would go astray either. Actually here's a better idea: Why not start the show again to show Torchwood in its infancy when it was originally created by Queen Victoria to deal with extraterrestrial threats to the Empire by the likes of The Doctor. Torchwood: Year One. A period sci-fi drama. Chicks in bonnets guys in sideburns and aliens from alternate dimensions. It could work.
Regicidal_Maniac by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 9th, 2007 07:51:01 AM
The Victorian Torchwood is a fantastic idea. I've always loved the clash of sci-fi with Victorian settings. Sadly we'll never see such intelligent sci-fi from the current production team.
is he or isn't he? lets gab, girls! by ironic_name	Sep 9th, 2007 09:02:54 AM
fucking annoying, hes 'officially' sexual, if it is sentient and consenting, he will hump it.
tv guide is annoying by ironic_name	Sep 9th, 2007 09:04:09 AM
not the show.
a show with precious few redeeming features by Darth Scourge	Sep 9th, 2007 12:10:01 PM
A Victorian Torchwood would definitely be a better idea than the poorly conceived swill which we got. I was really hoping Torchwood wouldn't get a season 2. It's what happens when you let a writer/creator who's had a little success indulge himself too far.
kwisatzhaderach - Victorian Torchwood by Sebilrazen	Sep 9th, 2007 12:10:23 PM
we may, it will just manifest itself as 'rift-walking' they'll be limited to Cardiff mainly, and won't have much time on the other side, but they could weave it into the story if they needed too.
Kwisatzhaderach by watashi-wa	Sep 9th, 2007 12:11:21 PM
I hope you've read the League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics (ignore the film, for the love of God!) - that'll set you up with some good old-skool sci-fi. Not quite Victorian-era, but still appealing.
Hmmm, OK, here's what's wrong by DrManhattansUnit	Sep 9th, 2007 07:17:05 PM
Every episode, one of Capn Jack's superteam does something unforgiveably stupid. They hide it from the rest, it gets worse and worse until with ten minutes to go, Jack finds out and saves the day with his unkillable superpowers. It's pathetic. Why did he hire these obnoxious losers? Between the pig-ugly ladies' man; the incompetent janitor (is that what he is, or some kind of doorman?); the self-pitying Japanese woman (I forget if she actually has a job description, god knows these people don't actually achieve anything when Jack isn't around); and the clueless copper, they seem to have been hired for the purpose of preventing Jack from getting lonely, although he goes on to ignore them as best he can. Good drama make does this not.
And thank GOD by DrManhattansUnit	Sep 9th, 2007 07:24:32 PM
someone's on their case about the lighting. Torchwood, like Who2, is lit like a cheap daytime soap. Given that UK technical talent was behind F'in Star Wars and the Bond films, you'd have thought the BBC would know how to spend the millions in Torchwood's budget so the money's on screen, but no: bad makeup, bad grading, it looks like a scifi Hollyoaks.
Dataset... don't even. by ejcarter9	Sep 9th, 2007 10:43:58 PM
Torchwood is crap, or at least the first season was. I'm hoping they learned their lessons and season 2 will be worth watching. I don't mind me some homosexual happenings in quality television, but homosexual happenings alone does not make quality television.
About the British teeth thing... by spud mcspud	Sep 10th, 2007 10:27:38 AM
The dentists over here cost a fucking fortune, the NHS guidelines forbid dentists from doing anything cosmetic unless it's virtually life-threatening, and in any case, there are hardly any open NHS dental lists left in the UK. So go private (and fuck your NI money, that now goes on bonuses for greedy doctors and Gordon Brown's truffle bills) and spend ALL your disposable income on a set of teeth for a zillion quid, or look like Austin Powers' inbred sibling and drink constantly to dull the pain. We are all ugly in the UK, and it is all the Government's fault. Again.
The episode where he meets the REAL Capt. Jack... by Bob Cryptonight	Sep 10th, 2007 10:41:13 PM
...is an amazing bit of writing!!!! I'm not sure if the whole thing really works(dramatically), but they get an "A" for effort! Nice going, BBC!
First season is uneven. by Dwarf Sidious	Sep 11th, 2007 05:09:31 AM
I'll give number 2 a chance. The absolute worst was Cyberwoman. Then there was the ripoff/homage of Fight Club, written by Mickey from Doctor Who. The first episode shows a lot of promise, and there are flashes of greatness. The main difference with this series from Doctor Who, besides being set on Earth and having adult content, is that the characters are all highly flawed. I'd say "human," but most of them are the self-centered folk you'd largely avoid. Again, it's uneven. You might want to pick and choose which ones you watch.
Eeehhhh....I didn't think it was that bad.... by Damned if I can login	Sep 11th, 2007 11:49:21 AM
What the frig. I'll keep watching. I did question how the organization could be so top secret (beyond the police, military, gov't, etc) and yet it has nothing in place to prevent the staff from walking out with alien tech in their purses...but it's just TV. Although I do have a bigger question: If so many of the shitfesters hate it that much, how come you've seen every episode? Flame on.
Not for the kiddies.... by Bill Clay	Sep 11th, 2007 01:48:29 PM
My kids were watching the Dr. Who marathon on BBC America on Labor Day weekend and saw all the Torchwood commercials. They said, "Cool! Can't wait to see it!" Since I had already torrented all the episodes, I told them, "Maybe when you're older." Although I wonder... Doesn't BBC America edit their shows for us prudish Yanks?
Wood is good by CrichtonAstronut	Sep 17th, 2007 09:39:21 AM
Okay, i've tried to be skeptical after seeing stacks of hate posts on this site, but after two episodes, I have yet to see the "sucks" portionn of this show. It has solid characterization, most likable (except owen), decent plots intellegently and humorously executed. Events and characters of last week referenced this week. Looks good to me. And BTW I finsd it rather interesting that all the "not homophobes" keep mentioning the guy snogging, but I don't any mention of Owen using alien Date-Rape-Potion-No.9 to try and molest some woman he picked out at a bar. The enlightened sexual politic of the 21st century. Non-consentual hetero sex is less offensive than consensual homosexuality.

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