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First!
by Derrida77
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:33:10 AM
Looks good...
hey wow, second!
by Jme
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:38:43 AM
I heard a rumor that the U.S. version of this is going to be cut to pieces (no pun intended). But thats ok, I'm still very psyched about it. I'm a fan of just about all of Argento's movies (yeah even TRAUMA and OPERA). And besides, I luuuuv dark and evil shit like this.
Ahh Asia.
by Redfive!
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:40:18 AM
id love to take a bath in blood with her,pick her nose,eat it then do the nasty all the while.. I mean yeah Asia what a hottie,she should be playing AVA LORD in Sin City 2,everytime I read that book thats who ava reminds me of...my lovely asia.
mmmm... not sure about this!
by echobase
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:42:51 AM
The guy hasn't made a decent film in 30 years...I really don't understand how can he be considered a "Maestro" of Horror. The only good thing that came out of his movies some of the music by Goblin
The lines...
by can-D
Sep 2nd, 2007
08:10:10 AM
sound so silly. I don't believe in Argento anyway. This will be crap.
Looks brutal..
by kingoflight
Sep 2nd, 2007
08:39:51 AM
Not sure if it will be much of a film though, kind of reminds be of hellrasier.
I always felt...
by vicd
Sep 2nd, 2007
09:02:23 AM
that pretentious film snobs who said Deep Red was better than Suspiria usually said it just to sound smarter than whomever they're talking to. Dapprima!
Suspiria
by phantom_of_teh_paradise
Sep 2nd, 2007
09:28:11 AM
Is the only Argento I've ever seen. Supposedly it's his "masterpiece," which I'll buy if by "masterpiece" you mean "crap." I've watched it all the way through three times, trying to approach it with that mindset every rabid fanboy of his says you need to force yourself to get into it but each time was more painful than the previous. Mother of Tears looks like more of the same, with today's special effects. And in the trailer, even those look less-than-mediocre
SUSPIRIA owns
by classyfredblassy
Sep 2nd, 2007
09:31:50 AM
One of the top 10 horror films of all time, here that pencil neck geeks
Nay to the Naysayers.
by Ken Luxury Yacht
Sep 2nd, 2007
10:05:56 AM
Argento is a genius. "Deep Red", "Susperia", "Inferno", "Opera" all first rate in my book. Granted, most of his films don't make a lick of sense, but I love them even more because of it. And "Mother of Tears" will put him back on top, where he belongs.
No it is overrated
by kilik777
Sep 2nd, 2007
10:20:24 AM
Im an Argento fan myself but I even agree Susperia is overrated. I think he's had two of the better Masters of Horror entries and his 2001 giallo Sleepless. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
Suspiria
by phantom_of_teh_paradise
Sep 2nd, 2007
10:25:16 AM
I forgot to mention that the art direction for Suspiria is pretty neat, even if sometimes it just gets in the way (Oh, I hope you don't mind that I turn on this GIANT RED LIGHT while we all try to sleep). And Ken Luxury Yacht, I don't get liking a movie simply because it doesn't make sense. Sounds kind of sheepish to me, but to each his own.
love it or hate it...
by Jme
Sep 2nd, 2007
10:39:36 AM
PELTS was a 59min "holy shit" chant, reguardless of how good or bad it was. And I love Argento for making stuff that way. Think about the end of TENEBRAE. The arm stump spray, the killer being impaled on that whatever-the-fuck-it-was...and Daria Nicolodi's screaming. She almost shattered my picture tube. You have to keep an open mind about stuff. Don't be afraid to forgive a movie it's faults and love it anyway.
Thanks Quint!
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:09:14 AM
I would totally take Tenebre over all of them! Why? Well, it's the only one I've seen! Woohoo ... I am ignorant. Yay.
Maybe I just don't get it...
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:12:15 AM
I've never seen Bird with the Crystal Plummage, but I did enjoy Suspiria. The rest of his stuff however just makes me believe that this guy is just overrated. Look guys don't get me wrong I love me an intimate little horror movie, but sweet merciful crap his stuff is just bogged down with so many problems. I did an Argento marathon not so long ago and whizzed through a couple of his movies, and I've basically decided not to watch any of his stuff for a while. In Suspiria there were lots of things to like, so you accept that movie even with its flaws. Inferno is tolerable. Deep Red and Tenebre are not good and almost laughable, I'd rather watch those with a group of friends just for the fun factor
About time!
by CuervoJones
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:13:40 AM
Mater Lacrimarum
But Argento is a winner just for
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:15:36 AM
contributing to the spaghetti westerns and Romero's stuff.
I'm running out of good horror movies
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:25:07 AM
Maybe I am ignorant of this genre. I don't think so, but I would love to be proven wrong....Guys, I'm asking a favor. Can anybody write me a couple to watch? Good and I do mean good not just parodies or horror homages to horror homages, just plain good horror movies. MAy you disciples of horror cinema jot down some of your favs, so I can jump on your bandwagon?.......BTW, Quint has become my favorite writer on this site. Keep doing your thing dude....once again please if you guys can, write down a couple of recommendations. :)
The Mother of ....dang, what was it again?
by Hoots Mon
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:37:00 AM
Spears? Jeers? Queers?
Second on that one ...
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:39:28 AM
I've seen a lot of cheesy horror (at least I think I have), and I enjoy its ridiculosity, but I would definitely track down some "good" horror films if a buff could post their must-see list. And Quint definitely shares more interests with myself than other reviewers I've read - that said, I still enjoy Moriarty's smackdowns. He's like a nun in the Catholic School of film, constantly slapping people with rulers and issuing penance to crap filmmakers.
Sure, here's some...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:53:35 AM
Brotherhood of Satan. Tourist Trap. Phantasm. The Descent. Dog Soldiers. Infection. Uzumaki. May. The Company of Wolves. From Cronenberg, Shivers, The Brood, Videodrome, Rabid, Scanners and Dead Ringers. The ORIGINAL Black Christmas. Dementia 13. Several in the old Hammer/Amicus/AIP book, but maybe particularly The Oblong Box, Cry of the Banshee, Witchfinder General, The Haunted Palace, Tomb of Ligeia, The Horror of Dracula, Island of Terror, Horror Express, The Creeping Flesh and for grins Theatre of Blood. From Romero, Night and Dawn, maybe Martin and The Crazies. From Craven the first Nightmare on Elm Street and maybe The Hills Have Eyes. You've probably seen Carpenter's Halloween, The Thing and The Fog, but give Prince of Darkness and In the Mouth of Madness a try. Dagon. Mostly for laughs, but The Re-Animator and From Beyond. The Exorcist, Rosemary's Baby, The Stepford Wives, Hardware, maybe Dust Devil, too. The original TCM, and maybe the comic book second one. Reflection of Fear. Wait Until Dark. The Evil Dead, but if you want real horror as opposed to just a thrill ride, only the first one. Demons. Zombi (2). A lot of the Argento films mentioned in this talkback. Some fun zombie thrills in City of the Living Dead (aka Gates of Hell), Nightmare City, Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things and The Blind Dead movies. And Suddenly Last Summer, with Hepburn, Taylor and Clift, scared me more at ten than any other movie I've ever seen. Oh hey, and the mad doctor of Blood Island movies, though they're terrible. Nah, this isn't even the start of a list.
Yay! When is the Hollywood remake coming?
by JackPumpkinhead
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:54:37 AM
It needs more rednecks, Rob.
Thanks
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:56:38 AM
I've only seen about ten of the movies you listed. A lot of them just sound interesting ... Witchfinder General, for example. But I have to say, that I really disliked Hardware. I though it was funny, but not scary. Maybe that's because of the guy who was doing the voice ...
Forgot...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
11:58:48 AM
...Repulsion, for one bloody obvious thing. And Daughters of Darkness, my choice for the best of the 70s lesbian vampire wave. Maybe Miracle Mile, though it's a bit sweet on itself. More as additional neurons fire.
ye olde shiza...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:02:13 PM
...and there's the rub. Especially in horror, what works for one person, even one fan, will so often punch the bullshit button for another. I really liked Hardware when it came out and still think it deserves a spot on any top...I don't know, list of 250, but a lot of people like Dust Devil (which I also included)from the same folks a LOT more and IT never really worked for me. Still, it's fun to think about the movies, so thank you.
I like Horror Films....
by jermcdee
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:03:04 PM
...but I didn't make one. I NEED HELP! I have a new 6 minute short called RETRIBUTION. It is now in the Top Ten in an IFC sponsored Short film contest for the video game ASSASSIN'S CREED. I desperately need people to go check it out over at WWW.MEDIALAB.IFC.COM Please Rate it!
Gratzi
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:04:00 PM
Really thanks man, and yeah I've seen a couple of those, but I'll check out the rest. I probably just have to stop holding these movies to the standard of let's say The Thing for example. :::sigh:::
Not much in the history of horror film...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:11:07 PM
...will compete with Carpenter back when he was hitting on all cylinders. That's why even some of his movies with pretty big flaws, like Prince of Darkness and In the Mouth of Madness, belong near the top. Damn he was good.
Carpenter's awesome
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:14:00 PM
Even in his non-horror. I can't get enough of Big Trouble in Little China nor Escape from New York.

Homeless chick - "You a cop?"
Snake Plissken - "I'm an asshole."
It looks like a canadian made-for-tv movie
by smackfu
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:14:32 PM
from 1985. I can't wrap my head around how a director can make a movie using modern technology that looks more cheap than a movie he made 30 years ago...
Who wants to eat the girl?
by Zeke25:17
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:15:30 PM
If the girl is Asia, sign me the hell up!
Umm...been asking AICN when...
by bgart13
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:17:19 PM
they would start reporting on this for quite a while. Not exactly new, except that this is a US trailer. They got so wrapped up in the Summer crap that news like this got left behind. Certain big Summer films ended up being lame, even by their standards -- now they find the time to report on this stuff....
Oh, here's an odd little one I just saw...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:19:32 PM
...recently, though it's an Oliver Reed film from the 60s. These are the Damned. Black Sunday. Some earlier classics like Triffids and Body Snatchers. House of Exorcism, just for the chance to see Telly Savalas as the devil. Antichristo is unpleasant in a way that sometimes works.
Ye Olde Shiza...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:31:50 PM
...couldn't agree more about Carpenter. I could watch Big Trouble in Little China right now. And probably again next weekend.
ohh man I saw Christine the other day
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:33:30 PM
for the first time...wow man, teeny quirks here and there but dagnabbit, its just darn good. Damnit man these movies were so simple but so freaking awesome....The Descent gave me some hope. I really enjoyed High Tension even though the ending didn't make a lick of sense, and I did enjoy the new Hills Have Eyes even though its a tough ride. I'm thinking Alexandre Aja is the light at the end of this tunnel.
Oh, and on topic...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:34:57 PM
It's Argento returning to the source of some of the best work he's ever done. It stars Asia. I'm dying to see it. I mean, I put up with The Card Player, okay? I deserve this movie, and I deserve for it to be great. Wow, completely forgot to put the Hellraiser movies on that list. One and two are really pretty good, and three should make you smile.
Hey, monster2Bpitied...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
12:36:47 PM
...glad to see I'm not the only person on earth who thinks Humanoids is actually pretty creepy in spots. And I really punked on the slasher movies. Maybe My Bloody Valentine, to go with The Burning?
I want to eat the girl...
by Gatack
Sep 2nd, 2007
01:46:11 PM
Hey, she asked. About damn time, all I can say about this. Loved Suspiria and Loved Inferno - Bring on the MOT! http://tinyurl.com/yp46jn
Jess Harper at the end?
by LHombreSiniestro
Sep 2nd, 2007
01:48:57 PM
Did I see right, right after "Who wants to eat the girl"? I wish there was more Reds and Blues.
I Like Suspiria Best...
by grungies
Sep 2nd, 2007
01:53:42 PM
I respect your opinion, but I'm no pretentious film snob. And there's absolutely no way in hell that Tenebre is better. As much as I loved that film, it was basically an excuse to show a bunch of scenes they didn't use in Deep Red. They might as well have called it Deep Red 2.
Come to Think of It, Quint's Words Kinda Piss Me Off
by grungies
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:05:01 PM
Basically, he's writing off people who think differently from him as pretentious. Not to mention his argument consists of nothing but, "it's overrated." No offense meant.
Suspiria TRAUMATIZED me as a child
by Audrey Heartburn
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:07:53 PM
(This thread inspired me to finally create an account after lots of lurking.) If you're in your mid 30's or older, you may remember a very creepy 30 second spot for Suspira that came out in the US in like 78 or whatever. I fucking LOST MY SHIT when I saw this at like when I was about 9. On the dvd I have, they have the spot, as well as one other. Watched it a while back and I still shuddered, but then realized it looked really hokey. The commercial is just like a black space with this grey haired old woman brushing her hair at a vanity. Atmospheric (goblin?) sounds set you up that's somethings... evil. She sings... Roses are Red Violets are Blue Iris is the flower THAT MEANS THE END OF YOU! While she spins around and has a skeleton face. Then the really uber-creapy dripping throbbing suspiria logo. This fucking commercial ran every night at like 11pm or something, and every time I saw it I would be practically paralyzed with fear. ... Many years later, during my 1 year stay in Austin (and during the dot-com meltdown), I got a hold of the dvd finally. (this copy didn't have the commercial, so I still hadn't seen it for years) Anyway, I HAD TO WATCH THIS MOVIE, to kind of face an old nemesis. And I fucking loved it. Loved it loved it loved it. This post was about the commercial, and my reaction, and wondering if anyone else remembers... This was in the NYC metro area around 77-79. Maybe national, I don't know. But for a while their was a low-budget blitz for this movie for I guess maybe the drive-in crowd. Maybe I'll post what I actually love about the movie in a part 2. Or never post to AICN again and fade off into lurking oblivion...
I Still Love This Site...
by grungies
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:13:07 PM
And what Quint said isn't as bad as Harry calling the American Psycho fans shit eaters claiming to be eating fudge.
SoylentMean...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:30:11 PM
...thank you for including the Killer Shrews. This movie is not scary, but it is one of the ten best bad movies and most quotable movies ever made. And it allows me to add: Frogs. The Children. Day of the Animals. The Dark. God Told Me To. Piranha. Bloody Pit of Horror. The Monolith Monsters. And yeah, the two misses on my first list which showed me to be the most stupid were The Haunting and Curse of the Demon.
"Didn't like" is Being Kind...
by grungies
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:30:33 PM
If you've read his thoughts, he believed it was utter shit. I don't know if he still thinks that. Probably. I liked it. Christian Bale was phenomenal, and there were some great scenes. I thought it began to fall apart at the last act, though. The whole "was it real or not" thing was kind of a pointless gimmick.
The Car.
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:32:37 PM
The first two acts of this movie are just incredible, and the last act ain't bad. A true forgotten classic. Out of print now, and hard to find. Maybe Ebay. Q, The Winged Serpent. Worth seeing.
SoylentMean...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:45:21 PM
...I have Killer Shrews on disc I burned from an old tape with Giant Gila Monster as the back end with a huge amount of great concession stand stuff in between. From an old Sinister Cinema VHS. And I play the hell out of that. And to you sir, let me say "Jerry just tried to kill me...twice. In the last ten minutes!"
On a more serious note...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:50:31 PM
...I think I understand what you're getting at. The Killer Shrews, like a couple of the other movies you listed and, I believe anyway, all the movies I listed in response to The Killer Shrews, are movies that are not frightening because of limitations in the budget, the abilities of the creators, even the extent to which the era it was made would allow for the exploration of certain themes. However, I would argue that each and every one of them had elements capable of firing the imagination, of allowing the viewer to create an internal movie which could take the elements presented and weave them into something much more. Frogs, for instance, which no one would argue was a terrifying film, left an elementary school me with a lifelong unease about being in water where I cannot see my feet. True sad story.
Oh, and...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
02:53:28 PM
Lewton's Cat People. I Walked with a Zombie. Captain Kronos, Vampire Hunter for a movie maybe not so scary but way ahead of its time. Count Yorga. Sorry. Had to do it. Scared me good as a kid. Ditto Gargoyles and the Matheson TV movie The Night Stalker. Oh! And Equinox. Also known as The Beast.
Heartburn, I love that spot!!
by Jme
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:01:37 PM
It gives me chills too. And so does the score. And the zombie ballerina who comes out of the closet with a knife. And the voice of the witch. And those weird flying shadows in the courtyard before the blind guy is attacked. And the beginning of the end credits: "YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING SUSPIRIA" Awesome stuff.
Haven't mentioned the Omen movies either...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:05:15 PM
...and at least the first one definitely deserves it. We suck.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot..
by Jme
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:11:28 PM
CARNIVAL OF SOULS EVIL DEAD TRAP MPD PSYCHO MAREBITO 3 EXTREMES THE MANSON FAMILY (dir. Jim Van Bebber) MURDER SET PIECES PULSE (the original) LORD OF ILLUSIONS SILENT HILL DERANGED Bava's BLACK SABBATH (the DROP OF WATER segment) BEHIND THE MASK
Harry Knowles and the Ridiculous Stone
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:12:14 PM
Harry sure does have some ridiculous fuckin' taste in films. You can't knock the drive and influence of the dude, and I'm glad that many times, it's the contributors that write a review. Harry's great for the scoop. I about vomited after reading his infamous Blade 2 review.

That said, I never knew that Harry didn't like American Psycho. That's disappointing, but then again, I guess that's why I never bought Harry's book of reviews. We don't, and probably never will, see eye to eye on 90% of the universe. And hopefully for New Year's next year, someone will think twice before putting a naked picture of the man sliding down a pole. It was up for almost a month, for Chrissakes. Doesn't that adversely affect ad revenue?
Speaking of this site ...
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:16:35 PM
What happened to the much-hyped journey to 1983 or whatever the Hell it was? I read two looks back, I think, and then nothing. Come on, now. Stop smoking the hashish and write. If Harry pays for these contributions, they should come out with some sort of frequency.
Divuhduh
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:37:49 PM
Married life'll do that to ya!
just wondering
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:41:39 PM
are these "good" horror movies or so "bad they're good" horror movies....I would say I'm kind of a squirms man as well, Soylent....IF we keep listing movies which i'm ever so greatful you people are. Can we seperate the ones that actually take themselves seriously haha. I might start watching one with certain expectations and totally ruin the experience, that's why i'm saying.
"so bad they're good" *
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:44:19 PM
You Know What's Sad?
by grungies
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:46:31 PM
There hasn't been ONE mention of The Shining. NOT ONE. That's horror 101 folks.... I'm also disappointed that no one's mentioned Audition.
It's assumed!
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:51:00 PM
The Shining is up there around the pinnacle of horror, and everyone knows it, I would hope.

Oh, and I have actually seen Audition. I thought it was pretty damn great. That jumpin' bag totally reminds me of the bags in Resident Evil 4. I bet it was an influence.
Grungies...Soylent...T 1000 xp professional
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:55:30 PM
Yeah, Grungies, missed The Shining. Our collective bad, but when you put together a list like this on the spot you're going to miss some. Soylent, good to see some love for Dead Birds, which was just a tiny gem of a horror movie. And Funny Games is just a wrenching experience of a movie. I loved the first two acts of Session 9 but I thought it collapsed a bit at the end. T 1000...my first list and most of the others are for real, but the one that includes Frogs and the one that includes Yorga are horror films of a different...mmmm...type. Although I still consider them worth seeing.
Plus Phenomena...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
03:58:30 PM
...has Donald Pleasance. And a genius chimp. Oh, Don't Look Now. Nicholas Roeg directed. So the real question at this point begins to be how many real shouldn't miss classics have we missed.
i'm soaking all this in...don't you worry
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:00:35 PM
i'm here...watching...reading...
Tenebre better than Suspiria? HA! Blasphemy!
by TheRealSeveren
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:09:56 PM
Suspiria has enough abstract elements to truly be considered a work of art. Few films ever acheive that. Im really not trying to sound cerebral. That flick is hypnotizing. I will say that the ending of Tenebre is probably stronger than Suspiria but has far as Argento endings go Phenomena takes the cake! What bad acting in the trailer? Looks very atmospheric and anything with Asia is a plus...except for XXX. if you havent seen her directorial debut Scarlet Diva its worth checkin out. You can reconcile the pervert and the cinephile within!
SUSPIRIA - part deux
by Audrey Heartburn
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:11:33 PM
@Jme: glad I'm not the only one who remembers @grungies: Yes, the Shining is the shit. Don't get me started on Kubrick. I'm getting a bOner. ... WHY I LOVE LOVE LOVE SUSPIRIA Well, I love the fucking set design, for starters. This unbelievably gaudy 70s reflective multi-colored wallpaper everywhere (reminds me of people's houses back then, but with lots more evil). The first big bloody mess where the giant glass chandelier eviscerates the poor blondy girl into a pool of blood on the b/w op-art floor. (I heard that argento used up like the last of the technicolor stock in europe at the time to make this. maybe a bogus factoid however. But you know, the intense reds and oranges and stuff, at times, in Suspiria do remind me of some of the set decoration for the Shining. Like when Jack is interviewing for the job. Bright oddly scary orange room with that very subtle evil-ambient sound...) There are so many things, alternatingly clumsily cheesy and super creepy... I love the chase of the girl, from the unseen guy with a blade wearing, what appears to be a fucking dracula cape (don't know why), She escapes into that courtyard and there's this super well done and tense scene where she's stacking boxes to reach a small high window and he's slowly picking the lock. Then she finally get's up and through the window and BAM she's fallen into a pit of FUCKING BARBED WIRE! Freaking out and slicing herself up. And I'm not even into gore (sorry to admit here). ONLY LATER does she return as the zombie in the closet with the knife to kill the protagonist (Jessica?). They promoted the last few minutes, and yeah, the last 10-15 minutes do pretty much pay off. The fucking Glass Peacock. That whole scene at the end with the witch is straight out of my nightmares. There's so much like gypsy-voodoo symbolism in this movie, and despite the occasional clumsiness, I guess I JUST BUY INTO THE MYTHOLOGY.
Couldn't agree more, Audrey.
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:16:54 PM
I wouldn't trade just the opening sequence in Suspiria for all of Tenebrae, and I rather like Tenebrae.
People compare Silent Hill ...
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:19:28 PM
to Argento's work all the time. Is that apt? Or are people speaking out of their asses? I haven't seen remotely enough Argento to make the call.
And we've given pretty...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:23:05 PM
...short shrift to giallos in general. I'm not an enormous fan myself because to me they tend toward being a little too formulaic, but Argento did a good one recently called Sleepless. Uhm...Never Torture a Duckling, Death Smiles on a Murderer, Black Belly of the Tarantula, The Red Queen Kills Seven Times, Death Laid an Egg. A bunch from Argento from back in the day. Anybody else?
ye olde shiza...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:27:22 PM
...stylistically I guess you could say the first Silent Hill has similarities to Argento's work. But you could just as easily draw comparisons between the game and the first Phantasm. Or Carnival of Souls. So I don't know how much stock I'd put in it.
Red Ned
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:28:24 PM
I meant the film version. The game I don't know enough about, though I hear it's pretty good.
Oh. Yeah, I knew that, ye olde shiza...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:34:59 PM
...I was just testing you. Umm...anyway...the movie. I guess I can see it but I'd almost say as a movie Silent Hill owed more to Clive Barker than Dario Argento.
I can see that, for sure ...
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:38:02 PM
Now, I have to go on an Argento marathon to figure out what all of these comments mean. Shit, this blessed ignorance is about to be foiled by understanding.
Is Quint trying to piss away his credibility?
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:46:42 PM
Deep Red, Tenebrae or Bird over Suspiria? What about Inferno which is miles ahead of any of them and is all wonderfully Bava-ized? And actually, and this is just my experience, people who trash Suspiria (or undercut it, whatever) are the ones who are trying to sound smarter than they are. The ones who go against that narrow grain for the sake of it. Of course, Quint didn't say he preferred Four Flies on Gray Velvet or something more obscure so that's a plus. He obviously digs on the gialli more than fantastic, but for me there's always been something much more special in Suspiria - Argento's full tilt Snow White remake - than his slasher movies.
oh, and Silent Hill
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:49:06 PM
plays more like a Fulci film for me. I think Moriarty really nailed that one in his review last year, search that out. But it's got a lot in common stylistically and thematically with The Beyond and City of the Living Dead and plotwise is basically a total rehash of Bava's KILL BABY KILL.
oh yeah, the trailer
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
04:51:40 PM
was very cool. Crappy quality, but from what I can make it out it looks like a return to form from Argento. Doesn't seem like it will fit seamlessly wit the other two on a visual level, but the trailer alone is Argento's best looking work in years. I'm excited this film exists. And was that Daria Nicolodi in there? She looks like she hasn't aged a day from what I can make out. Must be all her white witch magic ...
In Defense of Quint...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:03:33 PM
...I think he might be having the fan reaction to having to listen to people who have probably never seen an Argento movie OTHER than Suspiria, perhaps never seen any other Euro-horror of that era at all, pose as experts based on having seen it. And I've run into those people, too. And you want to grab them by their throats and scream "What do you know, anyway? Have you ever sat through Black Demons and The Etruscan Kills Again back to back? Have you ever even heard of Demons 3: The Ogre, much less endured it, dying a little more inside with each passing frame?" It's like having someone who saw Night of the Hunter once on the late show tell you all about noir. Okay. Better now.
and for the hell of it...
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:04:51 PM
Here's a list of some of my favorite horror movies that I don't think get enough play and might be useful for someone looking for something new, although they're all fairly well known: Lips of Blood, The Grapes of Death (basically everything by Jean Rollin) Black Sunday, Black Sabbath (and basically anything by Bava), Lemora: A Child's Tale of the Supernatural, Inferno, The Dr. Phibes movies, Romero's Martin, The Beyond, Cemetery Man, The Fearless Vampire Killers, The Tenant, Witchfinder General, Valerie and her Week of Wonders, Dust Devil, The Serpent and the Rainbow, Images (a Robert Altman 70s horror movie - picture that) Private Parts (Paul Bartel), the Phantasm sequels (better than the oft compared Evil Dead series IMO), Night of the Creeps, Kiss of the Vampire (Hammer), Dracula Has Risen From the Grave, Brain Damage, Frankenhooker, Fright Night, Angel Heart, Twin Peaks FWWM, The Addiction, The Sect, Paul Schrader's Cat People remake, Paul Schrader's The Comfort of Strangers (like Hostel for intelligent grown ups and the creepiest Christopher Walken performance ever), Spider Baby, any of the Amicus anthology movies, Street Trash, This Night I'll Possess Your Corpse, and probably my favorite horror film ever produced by man or god and in this case man-god Alejandro Jodorowsky -- SANTA SANGRE!!!
and that list is comprised
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:07:46 PM
of movies widely available so I'm not recommending stuff that's impossible to obtain while simultaneously showing how cool I am.
Does ...
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:12:32 PM
The Devil's Backbone count as horror? I thought it was pretty well done.
TIFF...
by mixedup
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:14:34 PM
got tix to see this next week...looking forward to it! :)
I like SUSPIRIA the best...
by oceanic86
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:21:11 PM
Guess I'm a snob who just wants to sound smarter than everyone, I guess. Although some might also say my preference for original horror films over the shitty remakes makes me a snob, too, so I guess it's a relative term.
Ye olde shiza...hktelemacher
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:22:50 PM
...counts as far as I'm concerned and I feel dumb for not listing it already. Oh, and HK...like The Car, I don't think Phatasm II is currently available on DVD for region 1. Since it's probably the worst of the series maybe that isn't such a big deal.
Also Witchfinder General...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:26:37 PM
...which we both listed, isn't available in region 1 at the moment. Although it will be on September 11, both singly and in a kicking MGM Vincent Price pack that also includes both Phibes movies, Theater of Blood and some other stuff.
And Night of the Creeps...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:29:51 PM
...is also, unfortunately, out of print. Wish it wasn't. Thrill me, detective. Like The Car and Phantasm II you can find some on ebay.
THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE and SILENT HILL
by oceanic86
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:36:01 PM
THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE moved my more than it scared me, but it did have some creepy scenes and excellent atmosphere.

SILENT HILL doesn't remind me of Argento's stuff when it comes to the look, although the extremely dynamic camera work and narrative weirdness could be similar in some ways, I guess. Fulci comparisons are apt, as well, although SILENT HILL for the most part lacks gore, barring one or two scenes. It definitely does have some Barker-like traits, with the creepy perverted janitor spreading syphillis across the wall and flicking his tongue around. So fucking gross and awesome, I'm glad to see that movie getting some love. So many people rip on it, it's refreshing to see people who could look past the flaws and see that the things it did right are pretty phenomenal. Pulling off Pyramid Head so well was quite a task in itself, I expected him to look a bit silly on the big screen, but damned if he wasn't one of the most visually imposing and frightening movie monsters I've seen in ages.

yeah, sorry
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:36:30 PM
Santa Sangre and Phantasm II are available on Region 2, and I really dug Phantasm II for what it was although I thought III was better. I was able to actually tape (tape!) Night of the Creeps from the Encore Mystery (mystery?) channel a couple years back. And I put Witchfinder General on there because it is coming out on the 11th -- along with From Beyond, and a Tales from the Crypt/Vault of Horror MGM midnite movie double feature release.
We need an edit button/ Make
by oceanic86
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:37:10 PM
We need an edit button/ Make that "THE DEVIL'S BACKBONE moved me..."
oh, and ...
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:38:46 PM
The Sect is also Region 2. Abel Ferrara's awesome The Addiction isn't out on DVD but I got a used, widescreen VHS off amazon.com for something like five bucks.
Yes!!!
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:39:42 PM
From Beyond on the 11th. I have the Vincent Price stuff on DVD already, but not From Beyond.
More goodies
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:41:10 PM
This is a great thread,loved your lists Red Ned Lynch Red and Soylent Mean. Here's some other I think really deserve to be named and watched. Cronos from the great G. Del Toro, it's not scary but really fabulous and authentic nonetheless, not to be missed for Horror fans with a bit of taste. Hail Guillermo. Kathryn Bigelow's terrific vampire cult classic Near Dark, The Others of course, and let's not forget Exorcist III, my favourite of the Exorcist movies, that has some of the most atmospheric and creepy scenes you will ever see in anything horror. Let's see if I can come up with some others. Oh yeah, Jacob's Ladder of course, don't know if anyone mentioned that !!!
going to blockbuster now...
by T 1000 xp professional
Sep 2nd, 2007
05:53:57 PM
I kid you not... ;)
The Addiction
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:00:03 PM
Hktelemacher, The Addiction is out on region 2 in Holland. The bad news it's a pan and scan version (but the quality is good), the good news is you can buy it for 2 euros. And yeah, Oceanic86, I fully agree about everything you said about Silent Hill. In general I'm not a big fan of horror-series, but I would love to see a sequel for Silent Hill with Gans directing again and the full involvement of Carol Spier, gee, did that movie have wonderful set-design or what.
The Reflecting Skin...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:25:07 PM
...shouldn't have waited so long to be mentioned. One of the most disturbing films I've ever watched. Good catch, SoylentMean. And there is a Japanese DVD you can find sometimes, but why it hasn't been released on DVD everywhere is a mystery.
Okay ...
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:27:00 PM
What about Creepshow? Or Twilight Zone: The Movie?
wow, that looks crazy!
by Evil Hobbit
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:29:09 PM
holy crappers
I'm not sure
by CherryValance
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:31:41 PM
about that trailer. Parts of it looked really good and other parts seemed pretty cheesy. And I do like Suspiria. I've seen a few other Argento movies and I think it's the best.
Silent Hill/Argento
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:34:41 PM
Don't know why anyone should hate Silent just because you're not a fan of Argento's movies (can you really compare one movie to a directors complete body of work ?). For me Argento's movies are anywhere between "bleh" and excellent. Anyway, Silent Hill reminded me a lot of the great Fulci's (The Beyond and City of the Living Dead). Had Fulci(r.i.p.) been given 15 or 20 million dollars to make a film, that really could have turned into something very similar as Silent Hill.
I've got a soft spot for...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:35:34 PM
...Creepshow. The Twilight Zone not so much. And hey, Jaws Wayne, great ads.
Suddenly, Last Summer
by CherryValance
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:42:17 PM
is one of my very favorite old movies. I'm glad to see someone else enjoyed it. Althought scary it's not a horror movie. A good horror movie I don't hear talked about that much is The Sentinel (1977). That creeped me out a bit.
Another one...
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 2nd, 2007
06:54:38 PM
Hey, I can't believe we all left out Murnau's Nosferatu ! Shame on us.
Eli Roth to remake Suspiria!!!!!
by DamnYouMB
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:03:32 PM
I can't wait!!!
swweeeet
by luckylindy
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:04:26 PM
i can't wait...Dario Argento is the man!
Craven
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:23:40 PM
Hey, the childhood film memories are always special. I think Scream was good until the last 15 minutes, that was a major cop-out(a very typical Craven thing). Nothing worse as a good movie that goes down in flames at the end. Oh yeah, I don't think we mentioned Carrie, another timeless uber-classic and I would also like to mention The Demon Seed, just re-watched my DVD of that a few weeks back, I think that's a great film.
Ack!
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:36:02 PM
Carrie made me think of The Dead Zone, which should also be on the list. And SoylentMean, as far as I'm concerned the first fifteen minutes or so of Scream are terrific, the whole Drew Barrymore bit.
Yeah...
by Red Ned Lynch
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:44:04 PM
...if you were going to condense all of Stephen King's short stories into a single volume The Raft would be in there.
Ha, the raft ...
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:55:49 PM
I remember watching that as a kid. Loved that. Anytime there's about to be some hot sex action, someone gets killed. Dammit. Why can't the monster kill someone after the hot sex? Or maybe even have hot sex with the victim? Oh wait, now we're talking anime.
The Dead Zone, but what about...
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 2nd, 2007
07:58:00 PM
Rabid,Shivers,Scanners,The Brood (amazing film..), The Fly and hey, Videodrome. Oh man, Cronenberg is the emperor don't you agree ? And don't you think Eraserhead should be on the list as well ?
Deranged from MGM
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 2nd, 2007
08:32:03 PM
Good ones SoylentMean, I still haven't seen Deranged 'till this day by the way, I almost bought the MGM double disc until I read the MGM version of Deranged was heavily cut (a few minutes I think). There's a german SE for it out there but that's kinda pricey I think. Does anybody have that version ? Yes, Buio Omega is a twisted and sick little film, I prefer Anthrophophagus from D'Amato myself. But none of these Euro cult classics will ever Le Notti del Terrore a.k.a Burial Ground of course. Peter Bark for President !!!
I wont say its a good movie..
by soup74
Sep 2nd, 2007
08:58:00 PM
but for some reason i always enjoyed clive barker's nightbreed. maybe for cronenberg's character.
Karl Freund's MAD LOVE
by hktelemacher
Sep 2nd, 2007
09:12:37 PM
is another old school keeper, one of my favorites, and not to be confused with the Chris O'Donnell/Drew Barrymore vehicle that's even more horrifying.
Woohoo!
by ye olde shiza
Sep 2nd, 2007
09:54:16 PM
I loved "Rawhead Rex" when I was little. Okay ... so if we're talkin' about foreign horror, where's the love for Nochnoi Dozor and it's 100,000 soon-to-be-released sequels?
cant wait for Zombie's remake
by BMacSmith
Sep 2nd, 2007
10:31:05 PM
woooooo
Horror that actually scared the bejeebus outta me
by Zeke25:17
Sep 3rd, 2007
12:02:23 AM
Hellraiser, Silent Hill, The Shining, Carrie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978), Suspiria, and a special shout-out to Burnt Offerings (1976), which starred Oliver Reed, Karen Black, Bette Davis and the scariest fucking chauffeur you will EVER see. (All the actor, Anthony James, had to do in the role was smile. That was it. And I swear, it was the smile of every child's boogeyman, every vision of Death, every cadaver come to life. Funny thing is, you can see him in movies today as well, and he ain't scary at all (I remember he was the bartender "Skinny" in Eastwood's Unforgiven). But I defy ANYBODY to watch that movie without feeling as if they've slipped into a nightmare!
THE EXORCIST
by cuckoo's indian
Sep 3rd, 2007
12:39:10 AM
Horror movies don't need to be completely cheesy and nonsensical. Argento's movies are masterfully atmospheric, but think about THE EXORCIST and THE SHINING. Movies that tell great stories with great characters and don't just exist to gross you out. The Exorcist is not only the single greatest horror movie, but one of the greatest OVERALL movies ever made.
LOL. That was just LOL.
by Motoko Kusanagi
Sep 3rd, 2007
12:58:10 AM
Can't believe that some guys want to see this amateurish stupid crap. Looks even worse than the crap Eli "Mine's bigger than yours" Roth spits out.
SUSPIRIA overrated??
by zooch
Sep 3rd, 2007
02:12:18 AM
No wonder you hated Rob Zombie's Halloween.
don't ever compare
by neutrino
Sep 3rd, 2007
02:50:14 AM
a great film like Suspiria to Zombie's cinematic feces.
Suspiria VS Halloween '07
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 3rd, 2007
07:29:08 AM
Second that one Neutrino, j. christ.
How does he manage to make
by FILMFUNK
Sep 3rd, 2007
10:08:31 AM
His new films look as old and foosty as his old ones? lol!

Not that I'm complaining, this looks well creepy and The guys that did the Saw movies and Eli Roth should take note from the master!

Shit acting, plot all over the place, cheap, practical rubbery effect + direction by Dario Argento = Scary horror film with tons of atmosphere.

Not a hater, but I will take Fulci over Argento any day
by Daddylonghead
Sep 3rd, 2007
10:10:54 AM
Dario Argento, I mean. Asia Argento... well, she rules. Did anyone else think SCARLET DIVA was a seriously good flick? I know there was all the SHOKKKING nudity and whatnot, but beyond that I thought it was a well-directed self-critical examination of stardom. Reminded me of a Euro-sleaze Todd Solondz... or am I totally on crack?

For my money, Fulci at his best-- DON'T TORTURE A DUCKLING, THE BEYOND-- and even FOUR OF THE APOCALYPSE, his Western... is more effective, more original, more brutal and more interesting than Dario Argento.

And yeah Burial Ground is superb, the uncut DVD will change your life.

He's not a horror director, but is anyone else here a fan of TINTO BRASS? Let me tell you, my ex-girlfriend loooooooved Tinto Brass flicks. There's a lot to be said for fun, good-spirited and super-dirty porno that both genders can equally enjoy.

grungies
by MignolaFan
Sep 3rd, 2007
10:44:43 AM
Seriously, I have been on this site for a few years but only talkbacking for like a month and it is so hard not to just bash quint daily. Nothing like making fun of others on a geek website to give your life meaning. But seriously I do think Quint sucks hard. See my Shitmouth/Cumbelly comment on his I told you so holier than though halloween review.
I wasn't comparing
by zooch
Sep 3rd, 2007
11:51:22 AM
just saying quint calling suspiria overrated makes it a little hard to trust his opinion.
This looks fantastic
by Ray Gamma
Sep 3rd, 2007
01:59:16 PM
From the description in the article, I was worried this was going to be a Argento-Lite™ modern movie with that totally un-frightening 'studio' look that all movies seem to have nowadays, but lo and behold, it actually looks as cheap (and therefore more disturbing & nasty) as his old classics. I love this kind of look and I love the fact that some filmmakers still have the balls to completely buck the bland trends of modern cinematic fashion.
The REAL horror event of the year!
by TORTURE PWN1
Sep 3rd, 2007
03:13:38 PM
Can't wait for this to wash zombie's HEE-HAWLOWEEN out of my brain. Argento pwns your SOUL!
Suspiria
by PotSmokinAlien
Sep 3rd, 2007
03:28:49 PM
i think the reason Suspiria gets so much discussion time/love is that it's Argento's most 'Argento'y movie, distills him to his essence or whatever.

but quint you sound kinda pretentious yourself, following up a diss to people who say they like Suspiria with a list of three lesser-known argentos as your fav's; it's a holiday man, time to chillax not attax.

a few rumors for you, Heartburn..
by Jme
Sep 3rd, 2007
03:41:44 PM
I'm pretty sure hktelemacher is right: SUSPIRIA is a "full tilt SNOW WHITE remake". Apparently there are tons of twisted little clues all over the movie. One I know for sure is the pool of blood at the beginning of the movie: the pool under the hung girl is abstractly shaped like a witch on a broomstick. Argento intended that, and lots of other subliminal stuff. And I believe all the reds and blues in the original film negative were painted over with watercolor, by hand, by Argento and the cinematographer. That could just be a rumor. Cool rumor though.
So that's how it is in their family...
by Iowa Snot Client
Sep 3rd, 2007
04:46:17 PM
I think this film was directed by Sargento: Their Family's Passion is Cheese.
Daddy Longhead
by Jaws Wayne
Sep 3rd, 2007
05:36:27 PM
You're so right about Burial Ground, well said. About Tinto, do you think Caligula is a splendid watch with the missus as well ? Sure is a nice break from watching Hugh Grant & Julia Roberts movies with 'em.
Iowa Snot Client!!!
by Jme
Sep 3rd, 2007
06:01:16 PM
Persnickety lol
Caligula doesn't count
by Daddylonghead
Sep 3rd, 2007
06:52:19 PM
Guccione messed that one all up. I'm talking about La Chiave, or best of all, CHEEKY!
BURIAL GROUND = Shit sandwich
by bgart13
Sep 3rd, 2007
10:13:04 PM
I saw this months ago for the first time. I love zombie movies, and I love bad movies, but this was just lame. I couldn't find anything redeeming about it. And the "notorious" ending was not even close to being worthy of its notoriety. A shame too, because I'm always looking for lost gems in the zombie genre. BURIAL GROUND ain't it, people!
I will take Argento over Today's White Trash Horror
by vintagecrow
Sep 3rd, 2007
11:37:15 PM
Anyday... By the way, Inferno was under-rated. I actually like it better than Suspiria... =)
Thanks for the movie suggestions.....
by BangoSkank
Sep 4th, 2007
07:38:52 AM
I pulled together a list of 52 movies... some I'd seen, most I haven't.... now to see how many are available of netflix... I got twice the number of movies here than off the grindhouse talkbalk. Thanks again.
Good to see THE REFLECTING SKIN get some love.
by TORTURE PWN1
Sep 4th, 2007
01:50:15 PM
I saw it once, about 10 years ago and I still can't get it out of my head. Most disturbing movie I've ever seen.I still get the creeps to this day thinking about it.
FIRST
by Lutz
Nov 1st, 2007
04:32:03 AM
Wow. Time warp!
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