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Updated with more thoughts and pics!!! VENICE FILM FESTIVAL: Mastidon’s First Reaction To BLADE RUNNER: THE FINAL CUT!

Sounds good... by Philvis	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:07:51 AM
I havent seen Bladerunner in years. I will definitely be checking this out.
Ridley is an Underated Visual Genius by THE KNIGHT	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:08:54 AM
Agree/Disagree?
Wake up! by Rocket Robot	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:13:08 AM
Time to die!
AND... by yassoo	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:14:54 AM
this is news how?
Your complaints are misfounded by Brendan3	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:20:19 AM
The voiceover theatrical release made Deckard more of a gritty hard nosed cynic. Without the voice over, we see Deckard as he was intended... troubled, confused, and a bit of an alcoholic loser. I know you wanted some super new ending... what? explosions? car chases? something simple like that? The elevatr door closing is fantastic. Sorry you didn't appreciate it. It ends with two replicants, lost, confused, and on the run.
I want more life by Doc_Strange	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:33:02 AM
Fucker.
You PEOPLE by Recognizer	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:36:23 AM
wouldn't BELIEVE. Attack ships. On FIRE, off the SHOULDER of ORION. (One day there should be a cut with Walken as Roy Batty.)
I love this. by ConanBaltar	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:41:15 AM
I love Blade Runner so much. I'm really, really glad to see that it will be mastered. My favorite movie gets even better! Few movies can boast such devotion.
Voice overs? by red_weed	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:43:31 AM
Blade Runner is one of my favorite films. I was not alive when it was first released. I was introduced to it when I started discovering films and the only version i have ever seen of it was the 'directors cut.' Then they showed a clip of the original when we were studying film noir at Uni and of course i was rather confused. I can't wait to get that box set, to see this new version and the original and all the extra material. I'm waiting for that to see it. I think it's a fascinating story and movie, both the film and behind the scenes.
I just chose HD-DVD and here's why... by TheRealSeveren	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:59:31 AM
the special edition briefcase edition of Blade Runner in HD! Have you ever seen Blade Runner? Have you ever seen Blade Runner...on HD?!? Now if they'd only release Branagh's Hamlet in HD!
Any new scenes like Deckard visits Holden in hospital?? by wackybantha	Sep 2nd, 2007 02:14:16 AM
Oh, and another thing.....are there cell phones being used by any person in the background. I find it strange that Deckard didn't at least have a walkie talkie or some kind of communication device. Did he have anything like that in the book? I always smile when Deckard uses the video pay phone at Taffy Lewis' bar. I think it cost only $1.25. Not too shabby. Oh, and another thing, The Tyrell Corporation needed better security measures in place. If I were Tyrell, I would have lied to Roy and said, "YES, THERE IS A WAY TO EXTEND YOUR LIFE. SWING BY HERE TOMORROW AND WE'LL FIX YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS RIGHT UP!!!"""
You see, Lucas!? by TheNorthlander	Sep 2nd, 2007 02:51:15 AM
That's how you do it! You release ALL VERSIONS on the fucking DVD and you don't tamper with the original negatives.
I'm scared. by Motoko Kusanagi	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:08:55 AM
Scared that I won't like this version of my most favorite movie. The director's cut was always the perfect version for me.
THE KNIGHT - I disagree. by MaxTheSilent	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:14:23 AM
Ridley Scott is in no way 'under-rated'. He's been widely acknowledged as possibly the finest visualist in film for about 30 years.
Best thing I've read all day by SelfSentered	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:17:47 AM
"The most noticeable changes are subtle." Just struck me as funny in its oxymoricalness.
WTF the reviewer wanted another ending? by Frye777	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:51:42 AM
DC's ending was perfect douchbag.
shuttlepod_10 by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:52:21 AM
I shudder to think what your favourite films are if you think Blade Runner sucks. The Phantom Menace maybe?
I adore Blade Runner. I by PrettyNursePoppie	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:55:42 AM
I adore Blade Runner. I remember sitting in a class in college, and the professor holding forth BR as the best retelling of Frankenstein EVER. And yet, I'm 34 years old now, and I've seen too many versions of Blade Runner, and I wouldn't even know what I was looking for at this point. I'm a casual fan. A passionate fan, yes. But not one with the time or means to track every change in every edition of the movie ever issued in a public forum. At this point, it's too fucking much, and I don't have the energy or time or finances to follow every single nuanced alteration in a newly issued version. And I say this as a fan. But... I just get tired sometimes.
Ridely Scott has become George Lucas by chien_sale	Sep 2nd, 2007 04:16:09 AM
leave the films alone!
Oh fuck you... by LordEnigma	Sep 2nd, 2007 04:39:55 AM
"All and all, a wonderful restoration of the original film. Unlike what Lucas did with the Star Wars Special Editions, the changes are subtle enough where you can enjoy them." Dude; did you even read your own fucking review? Did you? Scott has gone and changed the entire asthetic of the FUCK MOVIE and you throw Lucas under the bus? Really? Get the fuck out of here with your fucking entitled bullshit. Lucas made a guy even more of a pimp by having him so brazen that he lets a fucking bounty-hunter shoot him. Yet, leave it up to a bunch of scared white bitches, to think it's cooler for him to have shoot first. Yeah cracker; that makes a lot of sense.
LordEnigma is an angry, angry man. by BenjaminElial	Sep 2nd, 2007 04:51:53 AM
I don't think I've ever seen someone leap to such a vicious and insipid attack anywhere except... wait... yes. Talkbacks.
One touch up I'd love to see... by maxam.maxam	Sep 2nd, 2007 04:58:17 AM
... is the removal of the blue sky when Batty releases the dove - I'm not a great fan of old movies being "re-touched" and "improved", but that one shot really sticks out like a sore thumb.
removal of the blue sky by photoboy	Sep 2nd, 2007 05:12:16 AM
I'm pretty sure that has been replaced with a corrected shot. You're right though, it did need replacing, when I saw BR:SE on an IMAX screen a few years back it stuck out like a sore thumb.
Bad Lip Sync by Riviera	Sep 2nd, 2007 05:21:03 AM
If there's one scene I hope has been tinkered with, it's the scene where Deckard is in the snake shop threatening the shopkeeper. Deckard's lips simply never matched the dialogue, which I always found offputting.
Benjamin; that's a good one. by LordEnigma	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:03:42 AM
Also; your characterization is a bit askew. I was simply being sarcastic and honest in my replies. Obviously, from this reviewers own words, Blade Runner has been changed. It has been changed on an asthetic level that -- to some -- may be as bad as what happened with the Star Wars re-releases. If he wants to be a Star Wars bashing geek, then he should have proof-readed his own review. Where he gives Scott praise for something that Lucas did with his re-releases. Nevertheless; I will never cease to feel that SHOOTING FIRST makes Han a coward. Especially in light of Greedo being such an inept and inaffective bounty hunter. Han never saw him as a threat the whole time Greedo was verbally threatening him, but you believe Han would act without provocation? If so, then, I believe that you have lived in the suburbs too long, and it has effected your thinking. Han Solo knowing Greedo would miss, but letting him shoot anyway in order to make it self-defense... makes more sense in terms of that story, then the typical white reaction of "SHOOT FIRST -- THEN LET GOD SORT THEM OUT." Lucas saved Han from being a cracker asshole. I thank him for that.
TOO SOON!! by Pageiv	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:33:55 AM
Oh, here we go, 1997 everyone loved the SE, now they dont, how come I didnt get that memo?
Er, no, LordEnigma... by brokentusk	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:56:34 AM
... changing various objects, lighting, special effects, in certain scenes is fine - it's just a cosmetic make-over. Nowhere in the review does it state that Scott decided to replace Rutger Hauer with another actor, or added in a scene of a CGI character breaking into song. No, the reviewer was completely justified in his comparison to Lucas (and what Scott avoided doing). And just to set the record straight: the reason why us "crackers" preferred Han shooting first was because that one scene sets up exactly who this character is - he's a self-serving smuggler who doesn't care about anyone else besides himself. He's a cowboy. By having Greedo shoot first, Lucas decided to make Han more likeable so that parents wouldn't mind their children seeing a man murdering to save his life - which is what Han should (and did) do. Don't take my word for it though, it seems Lucas himself had a change of heart when he changed the scene AGAIN for the DVD release to make it seem like they both shot at the same time.
Pageiv by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:57:31 AM
Er, a lot of people HATED the special editions. I'm looking forward to seeing the original cinema release of Blade Runner in a proper widescreen digital format, that's the version I first saw and loved growing up. And I always loved Deckard's narration. When I see versions without it the narration runs in my head anyway from having seen the original too many damn times!
The main reason we all loved Han shooting first by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:59:10 AM
is because it's just cool as fuck
I meant to say he's a "pirate", not a cowboy... by brokentusk	Sep 2nd, 2007 07:00:45 AM
... but my point remains.
Androids. Sheep. Nuff said. by mossad77	Sep 2nd, 2007 07:08:38 AM
I would never pretend for a second that Blade Runner is a bad movie - cause it ain't. But I couldn't care less wether Deckard is a "replicant" or not in the movie. Because I prefer the novel. People always claim in relation to sci fi that Philip K Dick is like a God or some such. But when it comes to Androids they just go on and on about the Runner. To each his own ; I like "Andoids"... better.
Whoever thinks Greedo shooting first is better... by jae683	Sep 2nd, 2007 07:16:15 AM
should be shot dead. 'nough said. Carry on.
No different kind of ending, the fuck did this guy want by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Sep 2nd, 2007 07:35:19 AM
Fuck no there had better be no new ending. And thank god no voice over, it's just asinine and idiotic sounding. monotone shitty john wayne imitation voice "I'm not sure why he saved my life. Maybe, at the moment he loved all life, yadda etc., bullshit" Thanks Deckard. I couldn't figure that out BY FUCKING SEEING IT MYSELF. It's not cool, or hardboiled, it's just redundant. People only like it because they saw it first and it's stuck in their head from when they were a child and shitty things seemed cool. And hopefully the new edition doesn't try to beat you over the head with "Deckard is a replicant" Personally the story loses a lots of its impact for me if it's just a robot in love and on the run with another robot. Big fucking deal, we just saw that story.
Deckard is a Weak-Ass Replicant by Aquatarkusman	Sep 2nd, 2007 08:18:39 AM
Because he gets his ass kicked by all of his brethren throughout the film. So how many editions is this, now? Why can't we get him to spend half the attention he's lavished on a 25-year old film to making something worthwhile in the present time?
Cool as!! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Sep 2nd, 2007 08:40:29 AM
Very interested :)
LordEnigma you fucking pansy by messi	Sep 2nd, 2007 09:22:04 AM
who the fuck defends George Lucas. Wake the fuck up cunt.
Blue sky MUST die!!! by HarryBlackPotter	Sep 2nd, 2007 09:29:52 AM
That crap shot of the dove flying up into a clear blue sky has to be THE one shot that needed replacing otherwise this whole excerise has been in vain.
'Dead' Look in Deckards eyes... by ilander66	Sep 2nd, 2007 09:37:24 AM
In the review the guy states that at no point does he see the 'dead' look (by which i guess he means the yellow/orange/red glow)in Deckards eyes. Therefore has the film been changed? in the scene at Deckards apartment just after Leon is killed you can clearly see Deckards eyes glowing in the background of some shots as he talks to Rachel. You can also see Rachels eyes glowing in this scene so maybe they have altered the shot as his eyes may not have supposed to glow at that point and it was a by-product of the way in which the effect was achived (bouncing light off a reflector to catch in the eyes of the actors which the camera picked up)
Anyone else seen the Final Cut? by alucardvsdracula	Sep 2nd, 2007 09:56:17 AM
Crap review. Anyone else seen it and might be able to clarify the movie in more detail.
Are we done with BR yet, Ridley? by kabong	Sep 2nd, 2007 10:14:50 AM
After 25 years can we have another SF film of BR quality? Can we move on? Probably not. Not that it's Ridley Scott's fault. The suits dare nothing, absolutely nothing. If they were making Blade Runner today, it would probably end with a big battle between the good replicants and the bad replicants--something like the crap "I,Robot."
LordEnigma... by d1138	Sep 2nd, 2007 10:48:28 AM
...a white boy from the suburbs with a lot of self-hatred, living out his fantasies in a talkback. FYI, actual black people don't use the word "cracker," only white folk trying to be ironic.
Gotta admit, I am not wild by RipVanMarlowe	Sep 2nd, 2007 10:53:32 AM
Gotta admit, I am not wild about the idea of re-tweaked FX and re-shot segments of the film...but on the other hand, if that's the sacrifice necessary to deliver a spanking new print of Blade Runner to the big screen (and DVD), well, so be it.
MAXTHESILENT by THE KNIGHT	Sep 2nd, 2007 11:26:40 AM
Maybe I meant as far as name recognition. When you hear the names, Scorsese, Spielberg, etc etc, how often do you hear Ridley Scott’s name mentioned among that crowd of great directors. I for one haven’t. Not that it should matter, but it seems to me he’s always excluded.
A new sciffy for Scott? by Dingbatty	Sep 2nd, 2007 11:36:57 AM
http://tinyurl.com/3ajbel At present, Scott is working on "Body Of Lies," one of several American movies on the war in Iraq due for release in the next few months. But he said he would like to make another science fiction film. "I am continuously looking for that so if anyone has got a science fiction script in their briefcase, give it to me."
Deckard does not exist in this dojo by Cobra--Kai	Sep 2nd, 2007 11:39:42 AM
Blade Runner is a film that I enjoy on a different level and in a different way to most other movies in my collection. I enjoy it as a two hour trance-like music video - like it was a Pink Floyd concert or something. Just let the visuals and the music wash over you and soak up the mood and the atmosphere. A definite buy when it's out on HD.
Blade Runner Sucks!! by jermcdee	Sep 2nd, 2007 11:55:41 AM
Just kidding, I friggin' love it. I NEED HELP I have a new 6 minute short called RETRIBUTION. It is now in the Top Ten in an IFC sponsored Short film contest for the video game ASSASSIN'S CREED. I desperately need people to go check it out over at WWW.MEDIALAB.IFC.COM
difference between this and SW by Halfbreedqueen	Sep 2nd, 2007 12:12:11 PM
is that all the original versions are on the dvd. if lucas didn't try and get rid of the original versions very few people woulda cared. greedo shooting first? who cares the original is in great condition in this package, too. now if Scott were trying to make it so the previous BR's didn't exist, well, that would be different. but if you're gonna keep the original around, then really if you want change it to your heart's content (I saw a quote once that said a film is never finished, it just comes to a point when you stop working on it.)
This remains the most backwards logic... ever. by LordEnigma	Sep 2nd, 2007 12:13:29 PM
"Han shooting first was because that one scene sets up exactly who this character is - he's a self-serving smuggler who doesn't care about anyone else besides himself. He's a cowboy. By having Greedo shoot first, Lucas decided to make Han more likeable so that parents wouldn't mind their children seeing a man murdering to save his life..." BULLSHIT. This IS bullshit and it will forever BE bullshit. Han is not a cowboy. He's a dude trying to get by in the fucking galaxy. He's not self-serving because he's a SURVIVOR. You are glorifying a part of this character THAT NEVER EXISTED. He was never the way that you described him to be. If you disagree with me, then it might take another 50 times for the end of the film to sink in. Shit; he doesnt care for anyone else but himself? THE MOTHERFUCKER HAS A LIFE-LONG FRIEND IN CHEWBACCA, and he does not care about anyone else? Get the fuck out of here. Again; the proping up of Han Solo to shot first is nothing more than a white surbuban delusion needed to make a character who is not a cowboy -- nor self-serving -- into something that every white boy wants to be. Good for you and your need for being a SELF-SERVING ASSHOLE AND COWBOY but keep your shit out my Star Wars. Also, d1138, you fucking know something about me? Really? Self-hatred? Nah. I am not Mr. Randy. I am just a guy whose not a real fan of shenanigans that white folks love to pull. And yeah... you must be from the north... because in the south CRACKER is still a viable term. Finally; messi, go eat Jae's asshole. Good day everybody!
I like how when George Lucas decides to 'touch up' by smackfu	Sep 2nd, 2007 12:20:22 PM
a existing sceen, he does so by adding a small cgi monster in the foreground getting comically eaten or abused by a slightly larger cgi monster.
And Halfbreedqueen takes the entitlement to the basket. by LordEnigma	Sep 2nd, 2007 12:21:29 PM
If you want to get the shitty original versions of the OT, then go to fucking WAL-MART. They should be on sale for fucking 13 bucks. If not, then, you think you are entitled to get whatever you want, and if you do not get... it makes you mad? The stupidest thing Lucas ever did was to give into people like you and your sense of fucking entitlement. Now that he has gone and given into you. You still bitch about him not giving you the originals SOON ENOUGH. The originals should have been buried in Utah where they belong. Oh yeah; Warners is a different from Lucas because Lucas has control. Do you think the original versions of Blade Runner would be released in this boxset, if Ridley Scott had control of the material like Lucas does with Star Wars? I would go with a big "HELL NO", but that's just me.
The unicorn scene was altered a lot for this final cut! by My Ass Smells	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:01:37 PM
The unicorn scene is completely different. The piano keys Deckard plays has been changed. Ridley's new edit for the final cut has new close-ups of Harrison's face which now makes it seem like a daydream instead of a drunken dream. They removed the short pan of the top of the piano showing all the old photographs. The obvious change was the new added unicorn shot. The color of dream has been changed from yellow to blue/white. Plus the entire dream is now with sound effects. From the stomping of the feet, the horse yell, and that lighthouse noise.
kabong by messi	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:05:02 PM
haven't you seen children of men? it's the sci fi masterpiece of this decade and generation.
MyAssSmells by Mattyboy122	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:06:17 PM
Is the same music used during the unicorn dream scene? I loved that music. The whole score is fantastic, but that track is one of my favorites.
ahem by smylexx	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:08:03 PM
I have to agree...LordEnigma DOES seem VERY angry, doesn't he?
LordEnigma by smackfu	Sep 2nd, 2007 01:23:14 PM
Like Hockey, Star Wars simply wasn't made with nigs in mind. Sorry, but it's a fact, you can look it up. You can tell because Lucas made the sound effects so loud that we wouldn't be able to hear you guys yapping and laughing all the way through the film. This film's target audience IS white boys. You'll notice that when people parody star wars fans, they are always portrayed as white nerds, and not black guys decked out in oversized basketball clothes and cheap jewelry. You'll also notice the distinct lack of stormtroopers holding their guns sideways, and the word 'repect' is not uttered once in the film. George Lucas grew up on cowboy and flash gordon matinees and has stated thousands of times that he wanted to reproduce that matinee serial genre in modern scifi. Not only did Han yell out 'yeaa-hooo' when he 'popped a nine' in Vader at the end of star wars, but your homeboy Lando also yelled out 'Yeee-HAAAAW' as he raced out of the Death Star in RotJ (probably with Palpatine's tv-set and a few Tie-Fighter stereos stashed in the backseat of the Falcon). Those are things that cowboys say. So I'm sorry, but they were cowboys. Deal with it.
Yeah, why would they send a weak-ass more human... by WONKABAR	Sep 2nd, 2007 02:08:38 PM
replicant to hunt stronger than human bad-ass replicants? It doesn't make sense. Plus, both Roy saving Deckard and Deckard falling for Rachael lose their power if Deckard is just a fellow replicant. It's the interaction between human and replicant that makes it interesting and Deckard's realization at the end (in the original VO) of there being little difference between the two. Take that out and make everybody a replicant and you lose that message. Fuck the Unicorn/Legend-outtake... Scott, like Lucas has lost his grip on his own material IMO....sorry. Oh, and Rachael always had the red-eyes btw.
So anyone wanna tell me which to buy? Blu or HD by modlight	Sep 2nd, 2007 02:28:23 PM
I still haven't picked my pony, and was hoping this would be one or the other and that would help... I'm leaning towards Blu-Ray. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest, but this whole this or that thing is driving me crazy. Can the person with the time machine who knows what's gonna win let me know? That'd be terrific, thanks.
LordEnigma by brokentusk	Sep 2nd, 2007 02:30:34 PM
I think it’s you that needs to watch the film again. The entire reason why Han coming back to help Luke at the end of the film is so important, the reason that it’s so great and unexpected (the first time you watch it), is ENTIRELY because of that scene where he shoots Greedo first. Hell, the entire DEVELOPMENT of his character over the film can be put down to that scene (and the "what's in it for me" attitude he displays near the start). He's not a cowboy – I corrected myself in another post that I doubt you bothered to read – I meant to say that he's a pirate. A self-serving pirate who didn't care about anyone but himself and his perhaps his partner in crime Chewbacca (who is obviously close to him, but only became his partner because he OWED HAN a life debt). Han didn't even want him as a partner, but Chewy insisted (or so it's laid out in certain books, apparently). You are, quite simply, wrong on this matter. I think anyone who insults other people in order to try and make their arguments seem correct, cannot be taken seriously. That’s enough geeking out for one day.
And shit, excuse the mistakes in my post. by brokentusk	Sep 2nd, 2007 02:33:35 PM
Trying to finish varsity work and explain elementary things to people who don't know what they're talking about at the same time is tough.
Exactly brokentusk, plus the inclusion of Jabba... by WONKABAR	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:13:27 PM
further retardation. So Greedo is fully prepared (and actually attempts ) to blow Han the fuck away yet Jabba is all in cool "why did you fry poor Greedo" (like, maybe cuz he was trying to kill me) mode and doesn't even seem to mind when Han steps on his tail. Jabba sends fuckers to kill his ass and Han just rolls up on him like that? Besides, the only purpose that either the Greedo or Jabba scenes serve is to inform the audience that Luke and Ben have just enlisted the service of a shady-ass character. You only need one scene or the other, having BOTH is redundant as fuck from the outset. If Lucas really had that much of a problem with the violence he should have just cut the Greedo scene altogether seeing as how the Jabba scene that he was putting back in anyway basically got the same message across... the notion that Han was a wanted/price-on-his head pirate... just as well if not better than the Greedo scene. Well, a much less dangerous pirate maybe. I for one would have been happier with Greedo gone entirely than shooting first. It would have taken some getting used to, but like I said, from a story-telling POV you either have the Greedo scene or you have the Jabba scene...not both. And if you have a fundamental problem with one of them (i.e. what actually happens/Han caps a motherfucker in cold-blood) then maybe that's the one you should drop. Of course, we're talking Lucas here, a guy who seems to think he has to reinforce the fuck out of everything. Like, "bring my shuttle" apparently, wasn't enough, we gotta shoot a whole-new sequence with Vader flying away from Cloud-city fuckers. Maybe on the next DVD release we can get a shot of him walking from his shuttle to the bridge. Cuz you know, I'm still kinda curious about how he got from point-A to point-B. Oh I kid Lucas
Wonkabar And Others by Barron34	Sep 2nd, 2007 03:51:06 PM
Your view of Blade Runner is right on target. Ridley Scott making Deckard a Replicant undercuts a major point of the movie, and changes it's meaning entirely.***** Anyway, BLADE RUNNER is one of the greatest science fiction films of all time. I like the Original Version. Sure, the voice-over might be corny or redundant to some, but it was part of the original film that burned itself into my memory back when I first saw it in the 1980s. Simply as an artifact from my youth, the untouched Original is important to me. I suppose it is alright for Directors to tinker with their old films a bit and make Director's Cuts, so long as the Original Version of the film is always available. Again, I don't mind seeing new versions so long as the Original Versions are readily available.
love that pic of olmos by AllieJamison	Sep 2nd, 2007 04:33:42 PM
That pic of Olmos walking the Red Carpet brought a big smile to my face. It would be great if Ford was there too. But...you can't have everything I guess...
I choose Blu Ray, and here's why... by Dr. Chim Richalds	Sep 2nd, 2007 04:36:01 PM
because I liked the idea of playing my PS games and having a high-def player all in one (don't worry, haters, I also have a 360). Anyway, the new edition of Blade Runner is coming out on both Blu Ray and HD-DVD, so this movie alone shouldn't push anyone into either camp.
Is that.. by AllieJamison	Sep 2nd, 2007 05:01:50 PM
...Scott's wife? Oh shit.
Deckard/Gaff Spinner sceen/hospital sceen.. by Uncapie	Sep 2nd, 2007 05:11:23 PM
Do you hear what Gaff says to Deckard in the Spinner when he tells him off? Scott said he was going to put that back in. Its a shame about the hospital scene. That should have been left in. Maybe on the DVD.
Barron34, I've always though him being a replicant by modlight	Sep 2nd, 2007 05:47:51 PM
helps the movie. But maybe you and I see different points to the story. I've always felt that he was able to disassociate himself from the replicants in order to kill them, seeing them as just machines, as humans do with any of their enemies. But with the humanization of Roy at the end, and the fact that Deckard is (maybe) a replicant it tells us that in the end we're all the same, which only reinforces his hypocrisy and ultimately the hypocrisy of war/murder/enemies etc. And on a personal note, I never was sure of his replicantness until I saw it on a big big screen. I had never noticed the reflection in his eyes until I saw it there. It blew my mind in a small way. Anyways... my 2 cents.
Shit by Lornsorrow	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:09:55 PM
There are some real crazy people around man! I've never seen the big deal. Of course Han shot first, to keep his own ass from being fried! The way Greedo talks is clear that Hans days are over, he's going to kill Han, etc. What the fuck is Han supposed to do, get all Mel Brooks "looks like you got me cornered pardner," then dodge Greedo's shot so that its clear to over sensitive types that he's not a villain, then shoot Greedo? This isn't supposed to be Blazing Saddles! Greedo was going to kill him, Han shot first to save his own life. Its not murderous at all. Its talent. Even when I was 6 years old or so and saw Star Wars when it first came out, I never thought this was a big deal. I'll stick with the original version, and the politically correct, over sensitive types have the new Blazing Saddles version of Star Wars. Oh, and I think bringing racism and racist slang here is about as smart as George Bush's asshole and should get people banned. Leave terms like "nigs" and "crackers" where they belong, in the gutter. This should be a place to talk about film, not fucking start verbal race wars. Fucking pathetic.
Lornsorrow by Robots In Das Guys	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:20:44 PM
I agree. Fuck those racist wars. This is about Blade Runner. And, oh yeah, Harrison Ford shot first.
To those that say they prefer the voiceover.... by KnightBorn	Sep 2nd, 2007 06:54:32 PM
To those that say they prefer the voiceover, have you actually seen that version since the early 80s? I once thought the same, that the voiceover was great and really gave the movie the feel of a gritty 40's detective novel, noir mixed with sci-fi. So after enjoying the Director's Cut for awhile, I searched ebay for the original on VHS. I had not seen it for years and after watching it, I saw that the directors cut, while not exactly what Ridley wanted, was still FAR FAR superior to the original version with its voiceover and happy ending. As much as I loved that theatrical version of Blade Runner, I simply made that voiceover better in my head. In reality, the VO stinks. Its great that the original is included in the new release but I doubt it will be seen by most fans more than once.
Actually, by Lornsorrow	Sep 2nd, 2007 07:17:12 PM
I thought smackfu's recent post was pretty funny, but I just don't see the point in anyone getting into anything racist over film. One mans sense of humor is easily another mans outrage. So why even start. I'd rather just talk about film. And, Blade Runner is the topic here. But I'll say one thing, its amazing the amount of chaos that Lucas has caused over the years by fucking with his films. Way to go Lucas, thanks for bringing the darkside closer to your fans!
Blu-ray motherfucker. by polyh3dron	Sep 2nd, 2007 08:16:01 PM
HD DVD's gonna be dead in about a year and Blu-ray will take over. Mark my words.
I ordered the DVD briefcase - here's why... by Doctor_Sin	Sep 2nd, 2007 08:57:03 PM
I'm not a wealthy little fucker like these people who are sweating over their HDTVs and which pussy format they're going to desperately cling.
Broken... get ready to be punked out. by LordEnigma	Sep 2nd, 2007 09:26:47 PM
"You are, quite simply, wrong on this matter. I think anyone who insults other people in order to try and make their arguments seem correct, cannot be taken seriously. That’s enough geeking out for one day." I didnt insult you. The first thing was a bit of business. The second thing involved me ripping your argument apart. This third thing involves me asking a simple question; if Han Solo is so AWESOME and ONLY THINKS ABOUT HIMSELF, then why does he do what he does at the end of A New Hope and the beginning of Empire? He could have easily let Luke die at the hands of his father, and let Leia be captured by Lord Vader. If he's such a bad ass, then point out to me why this did not happen? Again... it has to do with your interpretations being completely off and proven wrong by the movies. Han shooting first creates such a big plot hole in the first movie, that it's ridiculous. Thank goodness that Lucas fixed it. Oh yeah... this is how wrong you are; Chewie has a life debt to Han. Han saved his life, and Chewie became his partner. He was reluctant at first, but soon realized how much he needed the Wookie in his life.
Voit Komf! by Pappachubby	Sep 2nd, 2007 10:19:14 PM
Too bad Ridley hated the voice over version so much but, nice that he left it as 'a version' on the new ultra suitcase set. Personally, I am one of those that liked it. If you've been a fan of those old Humphery Bogart Detective movies like me, and then you see that same kinda thing get done in a high concept hardcore sci -fi film as in Blade Runner then, you'd feel the way I do and think it was a pretty daring thing to do for a sci -fi movie. I had heard that even Harrison Ford did not like the VO idea and when the studio made him go back in and do the it, he purposely did it as flat as he could in the hopes that they would think it was too bad to actually use. Regardless, I thought it worked pretty well as a modern homage to the noir genere. Maybe that was just not Ridley's vision but, a lot of folks do seem to still like that one and I'm one of them. The Director's cut seem's just a little too bleak to me for some reason with out the voice over narration -just my opinion though... I also kinda liked the happy ending on the train. The idea of an alleged 'human' falling in love with an extremely detailed and sophisticated robot was intriuging to me as a sub catagory to one of the tru hardcore sci -fi principals of man vs. machine. In this case it's man vs. machine(s) then man (or maybe machine?) falls in love with machine and rides off into the sunset with said machine hoping for what we all hope to find in life -someone we care about to spend our time with. All in all though, I've been waiting for this ultra super duper Blade Runner box set for a looong time now. Sounds like there is something in there for everyone no matter which version you prefer. I hope there's some good stuff in the way of behind the scenes stuff and interviews with Philip K. Dick as well. Can't wait!
Han shot first because... by rabidbothan	Sep 2nd, 2007 10:27:49 PM
1) He knows that Greedo is going to kill him, so he prevents.. dying. I really don't think that Han "knew" that Greedo was going to miss him from point blank range, hence the argument that he knew he was inexperienced (where does that come from, btw??) is irrelevant. 2) Maybe the term "cowboy" carries too much baggage, so the term pirate is probably more appropriate. Anyway, Han is supposed to be selfish in the beginning of ANH. As you said, "Chewie has a life debt to Han. Han saved his life, and Chewie became his partner. He was reluctant at first, but soon realized how much he needed the Wookie in his life." This shows how Han realizes what an ASSET Chewie is to his "operations" and is perfectly at ease with keeping him on board. Now to say that they don't become friends along the way is ridiculous, so he obviously values Chewbacca. That brings us to Han's character arc. He goes from being a selfish asshole, who only cares about himself (and Chewie), to someone who cares about others (Luke, Leia, etc) and something (the rebellion). So it goes like this: he's still an asshole in the beginning, it makes sense that he would shoot Greedo first. Since he's learned to value Luke, Leia (others) & the rebellion, he comes back to help Luke at the end of ANH. Obviously, he has changed since ANH, so at the beginning of ESB, he goes out to find Luke. Where is the plot hole you're referring to regarding "Han shot first"?
oh yeah by rabidbothan	Sep 2nd, 2007 10:28:24 PM
the new Blade Runner sounds awesome.
Forget Han Solo for a minute! by Pappachubby	Sep 2nd, 2007 10:33:01 PM
GOSH! Harrison played a better character in Blade Runner ANYWAYS! JEEEEZ...
uhhhhhhhhhhh by Halfbreedqueen	Sep 2nd, 2007 11:11:09 PM
Lucas for one said that he would never release the original trilogy again. then he did last september, but crappy quality. $$$. and a film festival tried to show sw 77 and was forced to show the 97 version. it's about a bit more than that. plus i've never seen the non-new editions on sale since the 90's myself, walmart or whatever you're talking about. plus, a lot of it is simply about respect, for your own work, for the work of the people you worked with, and for your fans. also, the last time i saw SW on tv it was the new editions. the crappy dvds from last year are the only copies ive been able to find that are even watchable (vhs my friend has are worn down.) anyways, scott is a way better filmmaker than lucas anyways, and blade runner is a better film than the star wars films even if its cultural impact has been more subtle.
Where the hell's it going to play in LA???? by aboriginal	Sep 3rd, 2007 12:32:28 AM
I gotta see this, but need to know where and when - and where!
TheRealSeveren by jfp2007	Sep 3rd, 2007 02:10:04 AM
The mega-case version is coming to Blu-Ray as well, so your turning to the dark side is for the wrong reason, numbnuts.
Ridley says he wants to do another sci-fi movie!! by Neo Zeed	Sep 3rd, 2007 02:27:41 AM
Read it at Yahoo news. At present, Scott is working on "Body Of Lies," one of several American movies on the war in Iraq due for release in the next few months. But he said he would like to make another science fiction film. "I am continuously looking for that so if anyone has got a science fiction script in their briefcase, give it to me." http://tinyurl.com/2sv2gv
So screenwriters, give Ridley that sci-fi screenplay! by Neo Zeed	Sep 3rd, 2007 02:35:50 AM
Quit writing biopics, war dramas, and rom-coms and get busy on the sci-fi. When Ridley says the words "science-fiction" you get the typin' ASAP.
Ridley's been saying since about 1992 by kwisatzhaderach	Sep 3rd, 2007 02:40:18 AM
that he'd love to make another sci-fi movie. And a western. Instead he makes 'gangsta' films with Denzel and Russell and 'comedies' with Cage and Russell. He needs some new visionary material to play with.
He must not be looking particularly hard by neutrino	Sep 3rd, 2007 03:24:53 AM
because there is already a shitload of great published sci-fi stories and novels that could be adapted for the big screen.
Comparing Lucas and Scott reissues is way off base by Brendan3	Sep 3rd, 2007 03:26:14 AM
George Lucas went back and changed his work. That is not what Ridley Scott did. The studio forced changes (most famously the voice over and the happy ending) on Ridley Scott. They changed his vision. Ridley Scott is just fixing what the studio did and telling his vision as he meant to. George Lucas, on the other hand, released the film he intended and went back and changed it to fit his new stories. Lucas changed his vision. Scott is simply putting his vision back into the film that was taken from his control 25 years ago.
You know the score... by neutrino	Sep 3rd, 2007 03:41:28 AM
if you're not a BR fan, you're little people. Definitely psyched for this.
To the reviewer (about the ending) by Frye777	Sep 3rd, 2007 04:04:55 AM
Okay. Fair answer about the ending, I understand. Thank you.
Deckard shot Greedo because he was a replicant. by BenjaminElial	Sep 3rd, 2007 05:42:03 AM
No, really. That's what Lucas intended. But in reality, the benefit of Han shooting first was that it gave him an enormous personal arc as a character. LordEnigma, I mean no offense in saying this but I think your ideals of Solo have clouded your ability to look at the movie from an objective standpoint. When Han shoots first it sets him up as a survivalist, much like you said, someone just trying to get by in the universe but not one who's too concerned with others. That small act set him up to have a major shift at the end of the movie when he doubles back for Luke. I for one enjoyed watching back when Han made the trip from anti-hero to hero. The scene as it was redone for theatrical release still gave us the info about him owing Jabba dough but it killed all the rich character background that came with it.
Thanks Rabidbothan... by brokentusk	Sep 3rd, 2007 07:11:38 AM
You wrote exactly what I was thinking. LordEnigma, Han goes through what people refer to as "character development" through the film. What that means is that they start off in one place (in Han's case he starts off being a self-serving smuggler) and end up in another. Why do you think Lucas included the scene of Han leaving the rebellion on Yavin even after Leia urges him not to, telling him he can help... "It's not my fight." In terms of visual storytelling, having him shoot Greedo first tells you everything you need to know about the character in about five seconds. That's why the scene is so important and that's why people who loved the film (and Han himself) couldn't understand why Lucas changed it.
LordEnigma by cruzzer cruz	Sep 3rd, 2007 08:21:32 AM
Who letcha outta yo' quawtuhs boy?
SW fanboys by mastidon	Sep 3rd, 2007 10:52:25 AM
You guys are nuts with this crap. Get a life. My point was simple, Lukas went back and changed his finnished product adding in whatever crap he could hink of where Scott completed his vision and did it in a very subtle way adding to the whole BR experience. BTW, I totally forgot to mention that Merritkat took these great photos as we were waiting to get in so please give her your thanks for taking pix of the hot Daryl Hannah with EOS and RS and his babe wife.
so we still talk about star wars then.... by theycallmemrglass	Sep 3rd, 2007 10:59:53 AM
its 30 years old. the special editions are 10 years old - and we still bitching about them - god, I love star wars. Jar Jar and ewoks. Greedo shoots first. Ahh these are the deliberations of George Lucas to create longevity for his babies cos he knows shit strirring rules.
A bit off-topic, but wana say som'n bout Blade Runner by theycallmemrglass	Sep 3rd, 2007 11:13:07 AM
I only want to see the Voice over version. The Director's cut is half as enjoyable. Ford has got a great voice and enriches the film with his voice over and certainly gives off a feeling of film noir or Philip Marlow. Yeah, there are comprises. So we get the shitty tacked on happy ending and no insinuation that Deckard may or may not be a replicant. But thay didnt matter too much to me anyway. Its the ambience, visuals, sound and ultimately the facing off between the great Rutger Heuer and Ford that elevates any BR version to a masterpiece. Cant wait for the DVD.
LordEnigma by monsterforge	Sep 3rd, 2007 11:14:16 AM
is obviously mentally challenged. You guys should feel bad about ganging up on him. I wish I had some visual aids (these, LordEnigma, are devices used to help explain concepts, not an acquired immune deficiency syndrome that effects the eyes) to help him see what we all get and he doesn't. Here... I'll try and explain as best I can: Y'see, Han here was a cold white brother from the bad side of the hood. He rolled with this big fuzzy mother fucker who wasn't so much his best buddy as he was his bidness partner. I mean, they was all tight 'cause of the shit they had been through during their days of running guns and shit under the nose of The Man, but they weren't exactly all warm and shit about it. So anyways Han rolls up in the club and orders up some gin and juice and is just kicked back lookin for some work when the big furry fucker brings up some old, crusty, white man and his boy who need a ride somewhere. The old bastard musta been crazy cause he was gonna pay a shitload of money for a real quick trip, so Han was down with that shit. So Han tells his associate to go warm up the Caddy and he'd be there in a few cause he wasn't about to waste some of that sweet, sweet booze he had just purchased. Well hold up! This creepy-ass, bug-eyed, green mother fucker rolls in and starts shit. Now, you see, Han don't deal with nobody in his face. Not ten minutes earlier he had just about had to bitch slap that little winey whiteboy because he had got all uppity in his face, so there was no way in hell he was gonna deal with some damn foreigner talkin shit about him and his ride. But beyond all that, a brother in the hood gotta know that everyone is gonna be gunnin for his ass when he has a rep. Respect. So that green bastard done put him in a frame of mind. He knew that even though the little squeaky bitch might not have been too good with a gun, he still packin a piece, and everyone knows that heat speaks its own language. So fuck naw, Han wasn't about to let 28 years of strugglin with The Man and keeping it real just go up in smoke cause some over-the-border mofucker was playing some wannabe thugg life games with him. Fuck naw. So he pulled his piece and was just playin it cool in case the little green fucker was just playin big. But when that lil green shit spoke some jive about his ride-- naw... hell naw. That shit don't read. And when that green monkey was about to get ready to get all Eastwood on his ass, he busted a cap in his punk ass. That's all it is... nothing more, nothing less. When a nigga comes gunnin for your ass you gotta look out for your own. Han just dealt the deed that that muhfucka was gonna deal him. See, Han grew up hard and fast in the ghetto, and he learned early that aint nobody gonna do nothing for him-- he grew up hard and cold, and it would take the wisdom of his big, mumbly hairy partner, the friendship of that little white boy in the pajamas and the love of a fly lady to make him the hero he would one day be. But these is all steps in becoming the man he would be. A boy aint gonna wake up one day and just be a man-- hells naw. You gotta earn that shit. And Han Solo earned respect when he learned to respect his fellow man. Word. Hey... you want to start playing these "whiteboy" and "cracker" games, that's fine... it goes two ways, man. Respect.
Single nerdiest moment of my life. by brokentusk	Sep 3rd, 2007 11:19:32 AM
Arguing in a talkback about why Han should shoot first. I don't really mind though, it's always fun debating about STAR WARS. Plus, when the arguments are centered around filmic narration (in this case character development), it's less a case of fanboys arguing with each other, and more a case of film analysis. I’m sure the changes Ridley Scott made to BLADE RUNNER are nowhere near as substantial as the changes Lucas made to his films. Having said all that, please kill me.
Monsterforge, that... was fucking hilarious! by brokentusk	Sep 3rd, 2007 11:23:45 AM
Jesus, I was crying.
The voiceover sucked by Gozu	Sep 3rd, 2007 06:31:27 PM
It was contrived and tacked on, much like the happy ending where Harrison Ford explains that Rachel is a special replicant with a normal lifespan. There are plenty of good noirs without a voiceover, case in point "Touch of Evil."
See! by Lornsorrow	Sep 3rd, 2007 07:13:16 PM
Told you did I! The Darkside has Lucas brought to this Blade Runner discussion. Mind what you have learned here, save you it can! Once you start down the path of Star Wars discussion in a Blade Runner talkback, forever, will it dominate, your destiny... gasp gurgle... there goes another, talk...backer..... (whereupon Yoda dies from the overabundance of edits in Star Wars, and appears as a ghostly silhouette watching Blade Runner on a small flat screen portable tv.)
LordEnigma by one9deuce	Sep 3rd, 2007 11:05:26 PM
I don't know if you're black. I don't know if you're white. I do know that you're a dumbfuck. Han shooting first is the only thing that makes sense. Greedo pulls a gun and tells him that he will bring him in dead or alive, Han shoots him. Why is this hard for you again?
shuttlepod_10, your comment: by one9deuce	Sep 3rd, 2007 11:16:30 PM
"He went back to his original vision and screenplay." This statement is 100% wrong. Sorry. To keep this on topic, when has a director going back to alter his film EVER worked?
As for why the new BR suitcase edition? by Pappachubby	Sep 4th, 2007 02:05:37 AM
I don't believe it has as much to do with Ridley making BR the way he's always intended it to be, as it is as much about the overwhelming demand for this deluxe BR DVD set by the growing cult following of fans! Suitcase in point, as this new super DVD set comes in a snazzy gimmickie SUITCASE! But, I have no problem with this because once I saw it, I knew that I must have it -being the huge fan of the film that I am. So in regards to all this 'Lucas vs. Scott' and who's 'post film tinkering is more legitimate...' It's all about the $$$ if you ask me. But, that won't make me like watching every flipping minute of all that they put into this new super duper BR suitcase! I HAVE SPOKEN!
Clarification... by Pappachubby	Sep 4th, 2007 02:08:46 AM
Rather, I meant that I WILL LIKE this BR DVD set no matter what the intentions! Just glad that it finally has been done. Now as for Lucas... that's for another talk back if you ask me...
stop talking BR - we discussing Star Trek here by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 06:10:10 AM
...so yeah where was I?..oh yeah.. So Kirk dies in the hands of Pricard in film 7 but wasnt Kirk supposed to die alone as he envisioned to Spock in film 5? And Spock stupid enough to believe him that he shoots at the Klingons endangering Kirk's life cos he knew wont die cos he said so - dumbfuk.
Papachubby get your facts straight by stamper	Sep 4th, 2007 06:19:07 AM
The BR 5 disc DVD edition on HD or blue ray is 28 $ the box on amazon. That's not ripping people off, that's a bargain. And respect for the audience, with all the other cuts included. Who cares about the suitcase and a signed letter ? Only geeks and virgin 37 years old.
Oh sorry, I meant Star Wars... by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 06:19:25 AM
...so yeah where was I?..oh yeah.. So Han shoots second cos he is so baddass that he can tell theat stupid greedo's gun was pointing inches from his head so he knew that he wont be shot. Furthermore, he saw in his contract that he has a bigger pay packet waiting for him that he knew he's gonna have a longer part to play.
Can everyone stop talking full stop... by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 06:32:03 AM
...sheesh thats better, couldnt hear myself think. Wait. I still cant hear myself think. Oh no. I cant think - my..my..thinking's GONE...HELP. I'm..im a dumbfuk...OH NO....No wait...I hear something..I think its..me thinking..wait I'm thinking...I can hear it...Yes, so is Deckard really a replicant? I wish Rutger Heuer can be Indiana's enemy in the new Indy IV.
Talking about INDY IV... by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 06:33:23 AM
...Whos playing the bad guys?
I think we alone now by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 06:40:30 AM
I think I am talking to myself. Well it was fun. Yeah I agree it was fun. What? Who you talking to? You? Me? Yeah you You need help No I dont, you need it, you keep talking to yourself. You a dumbass You need help. Ok, we both need help. Both of you speak for yourselves, I feel fuking fine.
I feel lonely by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 06:45:36 AM
Me too. And me.
Well at least we got each other by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 06:58:09 AM
Make love to me. Alright, dont even go there, get outa my frign head.
I thought I was alone here.. by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 01:06:13 PM
Mmmm there is a another. Shut up, you heard him, he said geekoids shut up - and pull your trousers up - we not alone here. Mmmm embarassing this is. Go into meditation I will. Yeah you do that...Ok so what we talking about. Right. Blade runner. Cool film. No. 2 of my all time best list in fact. The ambience, the music, the visuals, the voice of Rutger, the voice od Daryl hannah, the body of Daryl hannah, and...Han Solo.
Leave the voice over on the new directors cut by theycallmemrglass	Sep 4th, 2007 01:09:25 PM
if only...
Memories-Of-Murder... by monsterforge	Sep 4th, 2007 08:20:12 PM
...if you had been paying attention, you'd have seen that the majority of the talkback here that mentioned Star Wars wasn't so much about the actual trivia content of the film but with the debate about the reasoning behind the special edition (IE: the belief that Lucas didn't need to change a pivitol scene that effected Han Solo's development as a character) ... something that relates directly to the discussion about Scott's special edition of Blade Runner. That, and schooling LordEnigma. People who speak intelligently about film often reference other films in their discussions... it's just the nature of film discussion. It's why folks, like yourself, mention in discussions about films like, say, Halloween, often mention other films like Friday the 13th: The original HALLOWEEN is a classic by Memories-Of-Murder Aug 27th, 2007 08:06:05 AM That much is true. And that doesn't make a remake bad in itself... or good, for that matter. As for me, i was not expecting the "Halloween" remake to be better then The Devil's Rejects. Though i'm one of those that are certain that movie is quite very good. Being inferior to The Devil's Rejects still gives lots of oportunities to be a pretty good movie. And for all the people who are so pissed at the changes made to Meyers in the remake, how come then you can swallow the extreme changes made to Meyers from Halloween I to II? Or the ENOURMOUS changes made to Jason Vohees from Friday 13th I to Friday 13th II and Friday 13th III? How the fuck can you all be so upset with Rob Zombie's changes (when he's making a remake) when you can swallow so easily and unquestionably the FUCKING BIG ASS changes that where made, ON THE SAME FRANCHISE RUN, to the Meyers and Jason characters from the first movies onward? Can any of you give me at coherent, rational and logical explanation, other then just "it's just in the movies"? so yeah... people do this. odd, huh?
Cool. by Trusty	Sep 12th, 2007 01:42:34 AM
Besides Blade Runner, we've only had less than ten major release films or so of sci-fi that wasn't billed as "epic" in the last 25 years. Hopefully, we'll get more if this does well.

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